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Will He Get In on the First Ballot?

| February 3rd, 2018


I’m not big on debating whether or not players belong in the Hall of Fame. And honestly, I loved Brian Urlacher but I don’t much care if he gets into Canton on the first or fifth try. (I’ll be much more passionate when this conversation moves to Charles Tillman and Devin Hester – both of whom I believe fundamentally changed the NFL.) Nevertheless, tonight Urlacher will find out his fate when it comes to the first ballot. Good luck, BU.

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  • 1st ballot HOF.

    No doubt.

    But the HOF has sadly become political and backlogged.

    I almost hope Lach doesn’t get in the first time, so that he won’t have to get overshadowed by that loudmouth self-righteous blowhard Ray “White Suit” Lewis.

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    • Irish Sweetness

      I hope it’s not another 20 years before we get another beast like Brian.

      • BearDown100393

        There will never be another #54. Ever.

      • leftcoastdave

        I also like the idea of getting a monster in the middle but do not see that happening in the early rounds with the other big need at Edge. Roquan is a little Taz to be reckoned with, but will is size be a problem at the next level?

        • We def need another ILB.

          Behind Tre, we got a bunch of JAGs. Those JAGs singlehandly lost that Vikes game.

          But ILBs are relatively easy to attain in FA. Always a good vet or two who are available.

          That’s how we got Tre and Freeman in the same offseason.

          But wouldn’t mind a late rd flyer.

          I would go one or two ways.

          Either some SPARQ freak who didn’t have the production and is raw or some “slow” “undersized” white LB who racked up 150+ tackles (think Chris Borland)

          Fangio actually has a pretty good track record with developing ILBs.

          Willis, Bowman, Freeman, Tre (Borland?)…even made guys like Timu, Anderson, Christian Jones and Kwiat look somewhat serviceable.

          As long as Pace doesn’t provide him a complete Muppet, should be able to mold one.

          • leftcoastdave

            I continue to wonder whether or not Freeman gets cut. It seems a no brainer that he would, but given the ever present injury situation maybe it would be better to keep him. Won’t he have to sit 8 games unpaid? So you have him in camp and you have him available for the second half of the season.
            Hell, they brought Lamar Houston back at the end of November. If you don’t have to pay Freeman while he sits, why not keep him around?

          • I was hoping we’d put Freeman on the roster last season, so he could serve those 8 games. It was a lost season with Fox anyway.

            But the Bears are in a jam there.

            As an organization, the Bears are the boyscouts. They are acutely aware of their history and tradition and what it means to the NFL.

            They won’t resign Freeman to protect their image and brand.

          • leftcoastdave

            So why didn’t they? Why did they pay him instead when they could have activated him and saved money? Those were the questions I had and still have. The only rationale could be that they want him on the cheap with a half year red shirt? Come in fresh mid season? Or choose to cut him at that time? What will that cost them?
            Perhaps I am overthinking this and we hear he gets cut on Monday, but it is very curious. There must be something I am missing?

      • Agree w Beardown. We won’t ever get another Lach.

        He was a unique specimen like Butkus or Singletary.

        We can still get a great ILB. Freeman b4 he got busted proved that.

        But another Lach? Nah.

  • That Guy

    Urlacher has the challenge of being eligible when a lot of other truly HoF-worthy players are up, too, especially another MLB whose stats are better.

    He’ll get in. Voters can’t use Lewis’s shady murder dodge or his likely PED use to prevent him from being 1st ballot–the guy’s on-field career is arguably Butkus/Singletary-esque. Urlacher’s stats aren’t as glowing, because he was a Cover-2 MLB, and spent more time preventing plays downfield, which cost him with making stats downhill.

    So I honestly believe he’ll get shafted this year. Partly because he’ll be compared to Lewis, partly because he’ll be compared to Singletary, Butkus, George, etc.

    But as the years go by, I increasingly long for a freak of nature like Urlacher.

  • ButtonShoes

    Here’s a reason why Urlacher should get on the ballot instead of Lewis: He’s not a murderer. I think that’s a good reason.

    • BearDown100393

      Agreed.

      But football in general does not care about murders or rapes.

      It does care about those real serious distracting transgressions. That will get you blackballed.

      Just ask Colin.

    • willbest

      The voters are specifically told to ignore off field issues.

  • Should he? Yes

    Will he? I doubt it

    • Also: Tillman does not belong in the HOF. Like Forte and Briggs, he’s not quite at that level.

      Hester does, but I don’t know if he’ll get there.

      • SC Dave

        All three would most likely make the Hall of Honorable Mention.

        You know, that place where people like Harold Baines and Joe Fortunato are.

        • Yep, I think Peter King dubbed it the Hall of Very Good, which is a name I’ve always liked. Guys who were consistently good for a long time but not quite transcendent enough to justify the HOF.

          • Big Mike

            I think even this is the wrong name. More like the Hall of Great. Players reached the HOF level of play, for a short period of time and went back to being simply great.

        • CanadaBear

          Ring of honor in Soldier Field.

          • Big Mike

            YES, this.

          • BerwynBomber

            Or some type of Bears Hall at Halas.

      • BerwynBomber

        Said that for years. Briggs, Forte and Tillman ain’t getting in.

        And as much as it would pain Jeff and others, Briggs probably has a better chance than Peanut, and Briggs will fall well short too.

  • This years’ class should be Lewis, Urlacher, Moss, TO, and either Steve Hutchinson or Kevin Mawae.

    But IMO it’s actually Lewis, Moss, one of Hutchinson/Mawae, and then I don’t know who the last 2 will be. Maybe Brian Dawkins?

  • CanadaBear

    I hope #54 gets in this year. Status thing. Did he change the game? Fuckin’ A he did! He made Lovie’s cover 2 work. Without him, that D would have been good but that’s all. It was way better than just good thanks to #54. Every teammate has said how much #54 meant to them and how he was the heart and soul of those teams.

    • BearDown100393

      I hate the way his career ended but what a career it was.

    • Big Mike

      I agree. Tough year.

  • Big Mike

    Don’t think so. Based on the way voting goes and I think there are a handful of last chance guys that deserve to be in. Best guys in this group are Lewis, Urlacher, Moss and Owens. But I don’t think all 4 get in. There’s even talk of Tony Boselli or Joe Jacoby getting in.

    • CanadaBear

      Hope you’re wrong BM. Considering how well he played in Blache’s D, I think he would have been a slam dunk if he played downhill most of his career. However, he did change the game with his play in the Cover-2 and one thing that isn’t talked about much, he raised everyone else’s game on the D.

      • Big Mike

        He will get in. Just not this year. First Ballot HOF is very much determined by who else is on the ballot. Not only other first time HOF, but also guys who might be nearing their last shot at it.

        • CanadaBear

          I get all that but he deserves the rarefied air of a first-ballot HOF’er.

      • Lach might be the forerunner to all these “hybrid” LBs that are now the norm in the NFL.

        Of course, none of them are 6’4 255, which is what makes Lach truly unique.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah… he bulked up crazy and turned into a mini-Hulk thing.

  • BerwynBomber

    So now Jeff thinks the Iggles will trade Wentz if they win tomorrow?

    Hah!

    If that is the case, Pace better be all-in on the Wentz Sweepstakes. Maybe involve a third team interested in Bisky as I am assuming PHI would have no interest in him because they will already have their franchise guy in … Nick Foles (grins).

    • BearDown100393

      Must be drunk again.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I don’t think people realize how hard life will be in Chicago for Michael Jordan if Oprah wins the Super Bowl.

        (I’m at Day 80 of no drinking. Trying to make it to 111 until I go on vacation.)

    • willbest

      I don’t think people realize how hard life will be in Chicago for Cutler if Caleb Hanie wins the Super Bowl.

      • BerwynBomber

        Kidding aside, I do think the leftover effect of Jeff’s insecure Cutty love is informing his perspective. He often seemed easily threatened by decent play by a back-up, namely McCown and Hoyer.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      The only way Wentz is not an Eagle next year is if they know his knee is fucked beyond repair. That dude was beginning to look like a Brees/Rodgers/Brady level talent in the making. And still on a rookie deal no less.

      Nick Foles is nothing more than a serviceable backup on a very well balanced, deep team. He’s got more than enough history to show that.

      • BerwynBomber

        ITA. Even Joe Six-Pack Iggles fan knows Wentz is the future.

      • I listen to a medical podast from time to time, and they said the likelihood of another ACL/MCL tear after the 1st is like 60%, and NOT necessarily in the same knee.

        That’s exactly what happened to Watson, and partially the reason why he dropped, I’m sure.

        That being said, all they need is like 2 good healthy yrs.

        Also, unlike Cam, Wentz is a much better pure passer, so if need be, he can stay in the pocket more.

        Just don’t know if he’s wired that way. Like Vick, he has that reckless aggressive style of running. Don’t think that can be rewired.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Everybody loves Wentz. What about Foles?

    If the Eagles win, Foles could go down as the Rodney Dangerfield of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks.

    No respect. No matter what he does.

    • BearDown100393

      Nick Foles as Week 1 starting quarterback for the Eagles does not even get Philly into the SB.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Probably. But it seems funny to think of Carson Wentz as having done the heavy lifting during the regular season “and all Foles did was win in the playoffs and beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.”

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          If Foles wins tomorrow, and you were a GM, would you give him starter money and a long term deal to be your QB next year?

          I wouldn’t.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Almost no one would. Even if Wentz’s knee is shot.

            Hence he could be the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL.

            He would need to be traded and lead an entirely different team to the Super Bowl during an MVP regular season to be viewed as “not Carson Wentz.” That’s how good Wentz was this season before going down (even though he seemed to regress at the end of his rookie year).

            No respect.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I follow you. I was looking at your post from a different angle.

            If Wentz were healthy and the Eagles won, it’s “Carson Wentz just won a Suoer Bowl.” If Foles wins it tomorrow, it’s “The Eagles won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles.”

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            …not the Chosen One, but he still could be Saint Nick.

            (in Philly anyway)

          • leftcoastdave

            Gents, it’s the system which was put in place and the continuity of all the moving parts. Once you have a well greased machine it is less reliant upon the somebody like Rogers or Brady as evidenced by how even Brett Hundley did amazingly adequate.
            Foles stepped into an offensive system he knew. That’s why da Bears O line did not completely fall apart, even with repeated injuries. They’ve got some good steady players learned up into the system. That’s only going to get better with the O line with Harry and Jordan Morgan’s body better build for the NFL, not to mention the addition(s) to come.

            Da Bears have developed a base with continuity now at every important position group with the exception of WR. That should mean good things for next year, despite one of the toughest schedules in the NFL, again.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hundley was 3-6 this year (basically 3-7 if you count the Cheese’s first MIN game when Rodgers went down five minutes into the game) and bottom of the league of the bad.

            In fact, the Cheese were arguably lucky to win three games with him. They pulled two out of their ass thanks to TB and CLE choking.

            It is absurd to compare GB’s system vs. NE’s or suggest that the former is “well-greased”.

            McCarthy is 5-15-1 in games in which Rodgers either doesn’t start or complete the first Q.

            Belichick is 14-6 in games Brady was unavailable.

          • leftcoastdave

            You miss my point entirely. Hundley’s “amazingly adequate” fell to pieces when Ds began to get his number But even with its flaws, GB has a core offensive group established in a system which has been in place for some time. Foles stepped into a well oiled machine. This year Biscuit stepped into an O designed for someone else which had already been decimated in the WR corp and was restricted by his inexperience.
            When you assess what Foles has done or will do, you’ve gotta’ be cognizant of what he is stepping into. Continuity with the other 10 knowing what they are doing matters Bigley.

          • BerwynBomber

            I didn’t your miss point at all.

            Hundley sucks and so does the Cheese. They just have an all-world QB who hides many of their flaws. It is a very stale O that is often bailed out by Rodgers mental and physical brilliance.

            Mentioning GB in the same breath as NE is laughable.

          • leftcoastdave

            Funny, neither GB nor NE were mentioned. Just the fact that they have had a degree of stability on their O roster. Needless to say, one got the Super Bowl, the other to third place in the division.
            The point, which you clearly did miss, by miles, was that Foles had a great system to step into. Remember the meme being commented upon? That Wentz or Foles should be traded, or that Wentz would be living in Foles shadow? That was the meme I was commenting upon and pointing out that Foles had the great good fortune to step into a well oiled machine.

            Yea, you totally missed my point.

          • And a win against Fox isn’t all that hard either.

          • BerwynBomber

            Worst lost, by far, of the Fox era. They should have fired him that afternoon/evening.

            Even the SF loss doesn’t look too bad in retrospect because of JimmyG and how the Niners finished.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Foles is not a FA next year so if you were a GM you would have to give up a draft pick for him.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            It was intended to be a hypothetical question

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I think it make it more interesting. Would a GM be willing to give up a pick for him? I doubt it.

      • Nobody thought Cassel could win 10 games.

        He did.

        Maybe Pederson is that good.

    • BerwynBomber

      Foles would have to back it up.

      Remember, Grossman made it to an SB.

      Doug Williams won one. So did Mark Rypien. And Trent Dilfer. And Brad Johnson.

      But nobody in their right mind would take one of those guys over a Marino or Kelly or Tarkenton. Or even Philip Rivers.

      Most fans have a larger perspective than Jeff.

      • evantonio

        Doug Williams had the most prolific quarter of any QB in super bowl history. He went 9/11 for 228 yards and 4 TDs in the second quarter.

        For whatever that’s worth.

  • leftcoastdave

    “Don’t think people realize how hard life will be in Philly for Wentz if Foles wins Super Bowl tomorrow.”

    I don’t think Jeff realizes how much the people in Philly love Wentz for who he is in addition to the success he brought the team during the season.

    Should he be traded for the right offer?

    I asked that about Jordan Howard yesterday and we saw the responses.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      For decades-long suffering Eagles fans, Nick Foles is just Jesus Christ’s backup.

      • willbest

        Jesus Christ doesn’t need a backup, he is good to go 3 days later. Even if you got a Thursday game you are golden.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Hence Eagles fans’ denial that their hero might not be The Hero.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          You’re only golden if he shows up again.

          “Damn it! Send in the backup.”

  • BerwynBomber
    • willbest

      Chiefs comfort with Mahomes is interesting.

      Minny has its own issues. I don’t know how much Cousin’s elevates that offense over Keenum or Bradford. Both those guys are going to be significantly cheaper than Cousins.

      • BerwynBomber

        If I’m Minny I see if I can retain either Keenum or Bradford for relatively affordable price, and then try to get a Mayfield or Rudolph in the draft.

      • That last game where they put Mahomes in was enough for Andy.

        He concluded he can win some games with him.

        Also, Mahomes is naturally aggressive, like Favre.

        Maybe Andy knows he needs that to counter his cuck character.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      That’s the one landing spot I’ve been worried about for him. That team on paper, with him, is scary.

      • I don’t think Cousins is that much more of an upgrade over Keenum.

        My redksin’s friend was pretty happy with the Alex Smith news.

        Cousins can have brilliant games, but he seems to have the choke gene.

        • BerwynBomber

          My take too.

          Cousins will be an upgrade over any guy they have (but not by a huge margin). With Zimmer and that D (not to mention some decent pieces on O) they can win an SB with Cousins.

          But yeah, I’m not totally sold on him and he will cost a ton.

      • SC Dave

        Fuck that. We’ll kill them twice next year.

  • Malice Halice

    BU gone get his golden jacket today n Alshon finna get a ring. If BU don’t get a jacket then Alshon ain’t winning tomorrow. Trust me

    • Malice Halice

      Oh, n if Cousins come here atleast our division will have 4 petty good QB’s. Good luck cheese n kitties cuz they gots NOOO D.

    • SC Dave

      So Eagles winning?

      Suits me.

  • willbest

    Congrats Urlacher.

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  • BearDown100393

    This is a GREAT GREAT day!

    Digging out my #54 with pride.

  • BerwynBomber

    Congrats to Lach. Very cool.

    Greatest Bear since Sweetness, IMO.

    • ButtonShoes

      You ain’t wrong about that.

    • You must’ve forgot about Conte

      • evantonio

        And Hardin.

    • SC Dave

      Hard to argue with that.

  • Big Mike

    Urlacher #54 HOF 2018. Wow

  • CaponeBot 1.0

    Aaron Donald. DPOY.

    Phil Emery. Hall of Fame Cuck.

    • BerwynBomber

      Interesting. I would have guessed C. Campbell but Donald is certainly worthy.

    • EVERYBODY was screaming at the TV for that asshat to trade up.

      Moses christ

      • CaponeBot 1.0

        My brother in law from St.
        Louis sheepishly texted me after that pick and it just said, “sorry dude”.

  • ButtonShoes

    Urlacher gets in on the first ballot. NEVER HAD A DOUBT.

    • BearDown100393

      I did.

      He is certainly worthy.

      Yet surprised the voters actually did the right thing for a Bear.

      • EnderWiggin

        Really? There are more HoF Bears than any other team.
        Edit: I’ll start the petition next year to get McMichael in.

        • BearDown100393

          Different world man.

  • CanadaBear

    Happy for #54. He deserves it.

    • Juan Stone

      Yup, I don’t think there could have been a rational explanation to not vote him in. The guy WAS the Chicago Bears for most of his career.

  • willbest

    Moss, Owens, Lewis, Lach, and Dawkins. No love for the linemen this year.

  • willbest

    Kamara – OROY
    Lattimore – DROY

    Is that the first time the same team got both rookie of the year honors? Did we pick the wrong Saints personnel guy to be our GM?

  • Juan Stone

    Jeff’s comment about not caring if Lach get’s in is a head scratcher. Hate to say it but it was rather douchy.

    • EnderWiggin

      I thought it was sketchy too, at first. Then I remember it is very political popularity contest, similar to the ProBowl.
      Take Steve McMichael, for example. He’s worthy. But he spent his football time fighting with the media. He’d “accidentally” spit while he talked during interviews(spraying people), he’d undress right in front of everyone, and everything that came out of his mouth while being interviewed was a flat-out-lie. The fans loved him, but the media hated him.
      As my father always says…”You watch. He’ll die, then they’ll induct him”.

      • Juan Stone

        Besides being a freak of nature, the guy was all heart on the field. I’m happy for Brian and getting into the hall on the first ballot is a just reward for a guy that rekindled my fire as along fan and gave joy to so many other Chicagoans.

  • BuddhaJoe

    Congrats to the Lach. I knew he deserved to be 1st ballot but with Lewis eligible the first time I was worried they wouldn’t vote two linebackers in the same year.

    Now we wait for Devin Hester.

  • Never so happy to be wrong. Congrats to Urlacher, well deserved.

    • Juan Stone

      Too late the hero!

  • Irish Sweetness

    I thought Tommy Kramer was in the HoF for a minute there. What a class though.

    2 of the greatest LBs. 2 of the greatest WRs. A safety that was in 9 pro bowls. And some dude called Alan Brazile.

    But well done Brian. The #34th Bear in the HoF?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Brian finds out.

    • Juan Stone

      Who was that guy who broke the news to him? He kinda reminded me of Luka Brasi. Lol

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        just to say, Luca’s character was way better in the book. In the movie I thought he was portrayed as an imbecile.

        • leftcoastdave

          Book? Book?

          You mean those things you read?

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Seeing how much Kyle Fuller will cost to retain – and we should hope he wants to let bygones be bygones – anyone think we should maybe be drafting another Corner at #8?

    Walterfootball no longer have us drafting Calvin Ridley.

    Josh Jackson, 6’1 CB. Any Hawkeye watchers here?

    Mute!

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Can somebody find a way to crop the prick in the background out of this video?”

    LOL.

  • catfish44

    Greg Gabriel

    @greggabe

    Excuse me, Now that Brian Urlacher is in HOF I hope others on those teams get consideration. @LanceBriggs, @peanuttillman, @D_Hest23 and @olin_kreutz

    • catfish44

      gabriel, hub arkush, and brad biggs the best

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