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Which Reid Offense Will Chicago Most Resemble?

| July 9th, 2018

There’s been a good deal of talk this offseason about how the Bears will model their offense after the Kansas City Chiefs, which makes sense given that new head coach Matt Nagy spent his last several years in Kansas City learning from Andy Reid.

But I think Chicago’s offense will end up looking more similar to what Philadelphia has run the last two years under Doug Pederson, another branch on the Reid coaching tree. Even though both offenses are similar, there are some subtle yet important differences that are worth looking at. So today I want to start by looking at personnel to see which one Chicago matches better, and then I’ll compare and contrast offensive styles.

Personnel

Kansas City’s offense was built around three main producers: running back Kareem Hunt, wide receiver Tyreek Hill, and tight end Travis Kelce. Those three combined for 4,069 of Kansas City’s 6,007 yards from scrimmage, meaning they were about 2/3 of the offense.

Quite frankly, the Bears just aren’t built to be that reliant on a small number of players. Outside of Jordan Howard and Allen Robinson, nobody has been a high-volume producer, and even Robinson has only hit 1,000 yards in a season once in his four years.

Unlike in Kansas City, Philadelphia’s offense wasn’t reliant on just a few players. Their top 3 yardage gainers combined for only 41% of their yards from scrimmage, and no individual produced even 900 yards. But Philadelphia did have 4 players with at least 700 and 7 had at least 400 (in Kansas City, meanwhile, 3 players topped 1000 yards but only 4 hit 400). It seems likely to me that Jordan Howard will eat up the touches that LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi combined for in Philadelphia last year, and he should easily top 1,000 yards for the third season in a row if he stays healthy. But it wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t see anybody else hit 1,000 yards, and that’s perfectly fine. There are a number of weapons who will all be involved in the offense and have their moments when the matchups are right.

I’ve already written a couple times about the similarities between Chicago and Philadelphia when it comes to the running back position. Here’s a quick recap of that:

  • Jordan Howard is similar to LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi, Philadelphia’s top two running backs. They are similar size, have similar running styles, and are similarly not very involved as pass catchers out of the backfield.
  • Tarik Cohen and Darren Sproles are very similar players as well. They are both small, quick backs who are dangerous weapons in small doses and excel at catching passes out of the backfield. They have been used very similarly in the past in terms of run/catch ratio and where their runs go, and I expect that to continue in the future.
  • Philadelphia’s main run has been the outside zone, which is where Howard and Cohen have both been at their best in the NFL so far. Kansas City, on the other hand, used the inside zone more heavily.

Now I want to look a little bit at the wide receivers and tight ends for Philadelphia, and share how I think each matches a Chicago counterpart.

  • Alshon Jeffery-Allen Robinson: Philadelphia’s most targeted player last year was Alshon Jeffery, who Bears fans are very familiar with. Allen Robinson is a very similar style of player: a big, physical wide receiver who is most dangerous winning jump balls down the field. Alshon has had around 800 yards for three straight years now, and Robinson was around that range in the last season he played. I think somewhere in that ballpark is a realistic expectation for Robinson this year.
  • Nelson Agholor-Anthony Miller: Agholor and Miller have very similar sizes, as both are around 6 feet tall, 200 pounds, and have about 32 inch arms. Both were highly productive in college and were high draft picks. Agholor has played largely in the slot in Philly, though he has lined up outside some, and I expect we’ll see something similar with Miller. It took Agholor until 2017-his 3rd season in the NFL-to really get going, but Bears fans can only hope Miller has a quicker start to his career (though they shouldn’t be overly worried if that doesn’t happen).
  • Torrey Smith-Taylor Gabriel: Smith and Gabriel have the same trait in common: blazing speed. As a result, both are dangerous underneath and down the field. Smith didn’t have a huge stats-based impact for Philadelphia in 2017, as he had only 430 receiving yards, but he had an impact on their offense by using his speed to attract defensive attention and open things up for other players. I expect something similar from Gabriel in Chicago this year; his numbers won’t jump off the page at you, but his presence will be felt in the offense.
  • Zach Ertz-Trey Burton: Both Ertz and Burton (like Kelce in KC) are fast tight ends who will play the U position, which is usually split out instead of lined up next to a tackle in a three point stance. They can all use their speed to threaten a defense down the seams, and thus are heavily involved in the offense. Burton is smaller than both of those players (he’s around 225 pounds, they’re both around 255), but stylistically they’re all fairly similar. I kind of doubt Burton will be as productive as Ertz, who has topped 800 receiving yards for three straight years, but he should play a similar, if slightly reduced, role.
  • Trey Burton-Adam Shaheen: This comparison is for Burton’s role on the Eagles in 2017 compared to Shaheen’s on the Bears in 2018, so it’s different from the Burton role for the Bears I talked about above. Shaheen and Burton are not all that similar as players, as Shaheen is more of a big physical tight end while Burton is small and fast. But they do share one thing in common: both have shown the ability to be weapons in the red zone. Burton had a relatively small role in Philadelphia’s offense overall last year, catching just 23 passes for 248 yards, but 5 of those 23 catches were in the end zone. Similarly, Shaheen had an outsized portion of his small workload come in the end zone last year (3 of 12 catches), and I expect that to continue in 2018.
  • Brent Celek-Dion Sims: Both Celek and Sims are blocking tight ends who will play a bigger role in the offense than their minimal stats suggest. Celek only caught 13 passes last year, but he played 40% of the offensive snaps in Philadelphia. We could see Sims taking a similar role in Chicago this year, though it’s worth noting Adam Shaheen might take some of those if his blocking improves.

Compare and Contrast

Now let’s look at some key similarities and differences between the offensive approaches in Philadelphia and Kansas City, and what that might look like in Chicago.

Running back rotation

In Pederson’s 2 years in Philadelphia, no singe running back has exceeded 45% of the snaps. Even if you combine Blount and Ajayi into a rough approximation of what Jordan Howard might be expected to get, that’s only 48% of the snaps from 2017 (all snap counts from Football Outsiders). By contrast, Jordan Howard played 58% of Chicago’s snaps last year, and Kareem Hunt played 65% of Kansas City’s snaps. So it’s possible we’ll see Howard on the field less, even though I don’t think his carry total will drop all that much (Blount and Ajayi combined for 243 carries in 2017). Tarik Cohen could be the beneficiary; Darren Sproles played around 45% of snaps for Philadelphia in 2016 (his last healthy season), while Cohen only played 36% of snaps in Chicago last year.

It’s also interesting that running back substitutions can change run/pass ratios quite a bit. When at least one of Blount or Ajayi were on the field in 2017, Philadelphia ran the ball 54% of the time. When neither was on the field, they only ran the ball 35% of the time. We could see something similar happen in Chicago with Howard.

No Philly Fullback

Another difference between Philadelphia and Kansas City is in the usage of a fullback. Kansas City has carried a fullback for the entirety of Reid’s duration, and fullback Anthony Sherman played 18% of their offensive snaps last year, while Philadelphia has not carried a fullback under Pederson. The Bears have one fullback-Michael Burton-currently on the roster, and it will be interesting to see if he sticks around until the regular season.

In a related but not identical note, there is also a distinct difference in how often KC and PHI employ 2 running back sets. KC did this on 13% of their snaps last year (all formation stats courtesy of Sharp Football), while Philadelphia only had 16 total snaps between 2016 and 17. I would expect to see the Bears use some looks with both Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen on the field, but Philadelphia never really did that with Darren Sproles and another running back.

Run-pass options

According to Pro Football Focus, the Eagles led the NFL in the number of run/pass options run in 2017 with 181. KC was 2nd with 168, so no matter which offense you look to as a model, it’s highly likely we’ll see plenty of these from Chicago.

If you’re not familiar with run-pass options, this article does a great job explaining them. Basically, the running back and offensive line execute a running play, the wide receivers run routes for a passing play, and the quarterback chooses which play to execute based on how the defense reacts. It’s a great way to either get a running back a favorable look against a soft box or a wide receiver a favorable look in man coverage against a linebacker without immediate safety help.

Jordan Howard should be great here; he has averaged nearly 6 yards per carry against nickel looks in his career so far, and should see that a lot more often thanks to RPOs. According to Player Profiler, LeGarrette Blount saw 56% of his carries against nickel fronts for Philadelphia in 2017, compared to only 20% for Howard. This is also a great way to help a running back who struggles catching passes still be a factor in the passing game by forcing the defense to respect the run. If defenses stay in a bigger front to keep more men in the box against Howard, then Chicago’s slot WR (likely Anthony Miller or Tarik Cohen) has a mismatch against a linebacker that can be exploited for a quick-hitting pass.

Personnel Groupings

There’s also a bit of a difference in how often PHI and KC utilized various personnel groupings. The table below shows all the groupings that got at least 1% of offensive snaps for each team in 2017. Every formation has 1 QB and 5 offensive linemen, so the variation lies in what combination of running backs, wide receivers, and tight ends are used to fill the other 5 spots. The table is color-coded based on how many running backs are on the field.

Like I mentioned above, Philadelphia basically always had exactly 1 running back on the field, while Kansas City varied it a bit more. Neither offense likes to use 4+ WRs much (2% for PHI, 1% for KC), which makes sense given that both heavily involved tight ends in the passing game.

Tight end usage is a bit different for the two teams as well. Although I associate PHI with multiple tight ends more readily, KC actually played more tight ends. The Chiefs averaged 1.47 tight ends per snap and had 2 or more tight ends on the field 39% of the time, while those numbers were 1.36 and 33% for the Eagles.

Given the Bears’ depth at tight end, I could see them more closely resembling Kansas City, but some of that will likely depend on how well the wide receivers are playing. Philadelphia had 3 wide receivers who they wanted on the field last year (and each played at least 65% of the snaps), while Tyreek Hill was the only KC WR who earned more than 60% of the snaps.

Tempo

PHI has also made a point of running lots of offensive plays, a trait which KC has not shared. The Eagles have been ranked in the top 5 of the NFL at right around 67 plays per game in both of Pederson’s seasons, while the Chiefs and Bears both were ranked in the bottom 5 each of the last two years with between 58 and 61 plays per game. That might not seem like a huge difference, but 67 plays per game equates to 1072 in a season, while 61 plays per game is only 976 per year. I’ll be curious to see if Chicago goes for more of an uptempo approach like PHI.

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  • SC Dave

    “When at least one of Blount or Ajayi were on the field in 2017, Philadelphia ran the ball 54% of the time. When neither was on the field, they only ran the ball 35% of the time. We could see something similar happen in Chicago with Howard.”

    If the Bears do this, there will be plenty of complaining about how “predictable” the Bears offense is.

    • Sactowns#1

      Not if they arent running it straight up the gut every time for 1 yard. If they mix it up and average 4+ ypc then you wont hear much complaining.

      • SC Dave

        Howard averaged 4+ per carry last season, Sac.

        • Sactowns#1

          Notice I said “mix it up and dont just run it up the gut”. That was where my frustration was last year.

          • SC Dave

            I think we’re all looking for something better.

    • If I have time in the near future, I’ll have to look up the stats on this with Howard last year. Or with Sproles in PHI in 2016.

      That’s the single stat that was the most work to do in this article. Couldn’t find a site that just had it, so I had to compile it myself by going through all 350+ of Philly’s personnel groupings that played at least one snap last year on NFL’s official game statistics information system.

      • SC Dave

        Yikes… that’s dedication, JW

        • Excel is my friend. Copy and pasted all the data into there, where I could sort it a bit.

  • beninnorcal

    New Bears fan joined us over the weekend. He’s only 21in tall and weighs 7lb 10oz, but he’s all heart at this point, and fired up for some Bear football. Mom, dad, and older sister are all doing well.
    It’s going to be a special year. Cheers, boys!

    • SC Dave

      Congrats!

    • CanadaBear

      Congrats Ben! Hope you and your wife get some uninterrupted sleep in the next year!!!!!!!

    • Bobby Douglass

      That’s most excellent.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hearty Congratulations!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Congrats! Did you name him after me?

      • Johnnywad

        LOL.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          It doesn’t have to be the kids first name. I would be honored if it was his middle name.

      • beninnorcal

        Definately considered it.

        • SC Dave

          The “modestly” part, I hope.

    • willbest

      Congrats!

    • Johnnywad

      Congratulations Ben. Hopefully somebody hooked the lad up with a Bears Onesie and skull cap.

      • beninnorcal

        Still have plenty of gear from when my daughter came home during Bears-Donkeys in ‘15. Nearly pulled off a comeback were it not for a failed 2 pt attempt, if I remember correctly.

    • Sactowns#1

      Subjecting your son to such suffering this early in life violates at least 2 or 3 international conventions.

      • beninnorcal

        I thought of that, but misery loves company.

    • Congrats. I was hanging out with kids this whole weekend. They’re such a trip.

      This is your 2nd, right?

  • Sactowns#1

    24 days, 10 hours and 11 minutes till Bears football.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      damn that’s soon….I thought we were like in some kind of loop of Purgatory lasting 1000 years.

      • SC Dave

        Well, it *is* preseason to which he’s referred. Real football starts in 62 days, 2 hours, and 15 minutes.

        • Sactowns#1

          I’m like a junky fiendin. Any little hit will do right now.

          • SC Dave

            I’m waitimg for Lambeau, when Howard goes off for 225 and we put up 48 points on those bitches.

            12 of which are courtesy of #12.

          • John F

            You have got to put down the Kool-Aid …. it is affecting your judgement ….

          • leftcoastdave

            Amen to that! No stopping the HoJo train once the landslide is cleared from the tracks.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          I want to see how the new receivers look. Even if it’s only for 3 bloody drives the first preseason game.

          • I think we’ll see a lot of Miller and Gabriel, who would’ve been our starters last season.

            Is that WR Pace traded for last yr after realizing he fucked up that position royally still around? From the Chargers.

            Might see him too since he’s on the bubble (or gone)

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Inman is a FA, which actually surprises me a little.

          • Hm. Not sure he got a fair shake. Came over well into the season , learning a pathetic Fox playbook, strapped w a rookie QB.

            I’m a bit surprised Pace was so bullish on WRs overall this season.

            We all knew we needed an Alshon caliber WR and a slot guy like Gabriel.

            But he didn’t stop there. Let Cam and Inman go, traded up for Miller , signed Fowler, not to mention keeping Sims and signing Burton in spite of spending a 2nd on Shaheen .

            Don’t recall such a total overhaul at any position.

            Ironically, the secondary was the opposite. Essentially returning all the starters, even Callahan.

  • CanadaBear

    Had to laugh at the homer that writes for the Fudge on ESPN. They polled the NFCN writers for the best addition in the NFCN in the off season. The Loins and Bears writers picked Cousins, the Queens writer picked the Bears receivers and the Fudge writer picked Graham. I seriously doubt Graham will be the best addition in the NFCN. I don’t doubt he’ll have an impact but he’s definitely on the downside of his career. NTM the Bears don’t have to worry about him blocking anyone!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Packers seem to be infatuated with has been TEs the last several years. Bennett, Cook, and now Graham. Each year these guys are touted as an answer and each year they don’t do much.

    • Unfortunately, the Puke murdered the draft. Might’ve had the best off-season. Oh well.
      We all know they only go as far as Vadger’s.

      • CanadaBear

        If those two CB’s they picked early don’t pan out their draft sucks moose cocks.

        • They could suck, but they were highly lauded . them flaming out would be a surprise to many.
          Then again, about half the draft picks flame out anyways. Might as well be them

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        If they don’t give Rodgers the billion dollars he probably deserves for carrying that POS organization, I could see a trade.

        But I’m dreaming. But it’s a cool dream right?

        • CanadaBear

          Let’s hope he doesn’t take a home-town discount. No way they trade him.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Aaron?

            “Home Town Discount”.

            i doubt THAT.

          • CanadaBear

            I surely hope he makes them pay. I didn’t think he was going to give them a discount anyway but after launching his pal Jordy, I’m convinced he won’t.

          • AlbertInTucson

            He doesn’t strike me as “I’ll give you a discount” guy in the first place but, now you throw in dumping Nelson and, I believe, Aaron’s QB coach, without consultation and one has to believe he will completely DISCOUNT the Home-Team-Discount concept.

            Also throw-in that Cousins hit the jackpot right night door.

          • CanadaBear

            100%

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            notice how pissed off he looks…in the offseason…and frankly always now in public.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I hope he treats them like he treats his family.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            no way does he consider Wisconsin his “home town.” Does anybody?

          • CanadaBear

            You don’t want to smell their Dairy Air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            smh. so cheezy.

          • CanadaBear

            You have no idea. I live for this. Glad to see you’ve joined in!

  • AlbertInTucson

    59-90-6 is…?

    • AlbertInTucson

      …Jay Cutler’s career record against the spread.

      • EnderWiggin

        Yeouch. At least Cutler is 1-0 right now while Cavallari is 0-1, or so I hear.

        • SC Dave

          Exactly which spread would that be?

  • Great stuff, Data. I like how you cited that the Chiefs and Eagles ran the most RPOs last yr, and the two HB set was a nice data point.

    Curious to see if Nagy sticks with a FB. Burton is a good FB. Hopefully he makes the cut.

    Overall I have a feeling Nagy will be a bit more like Pederson but perhaps with a slower pace and less RPO esp after seeing how Watson and Wentz went down last season.

    Hopefully Miller doesn’t take 3yrs to find his groove. Aghlor was all but a bust till last season. And for a “slot” kid, he racked up quite a few TDs, which is what we want. Maybe Miller is more Ju-Ju in regards to immediate impact.

    Shaheen I just don’t expect much from. I half kidded when I said he reminded me of Matt Spaeth, but I think that’ll essentially be his role, with hopefully more TDs (at the very least).

    I don’t know how Pace could be a cheap ass on somethings (like K, allowing the Puke to create Fuller contract, letting our best WR walk out the door for nothing…) and still pay Dion Sims. Seems counter intuitive to me.

    I would rather use that cap on an area of need like OLB (Houston).

    That being said, the ship seems ready to sail in the right direction.

    • Yeah, I hope Miller can be solid fairly quickly. I’m pretty optimistic that he’ll be a contributor this year and major threat in 2019.

      I think we could see no traditional FB kept simply because they could flex Burton into that role if they wanted. Time will tell there.

      • Maybe they can use Shaheen as FB. I mean, he’s 6’6 260ish.

        And they would have another weapon out of the back field while saving a roster spot.

        Or maybe an Unrein type on D.

      • leftcoastdave

        I think it takes time to grow into a good blocking TE and thus the need for Sims. It also allows Nagy to game that after establishing the “trend” by going counter to it. Crazy how da Bears got away from valuing the TE position for so many years. Lovin’ having Burton, Sims and the hybrid Shaheen.

        • I also think each guy has different strengths. Same with the top 3 RBs and top 3 WRs. That allows them to be matchup dependent. I think we’ll see guys trading off big games depending on the matchup. Predicting who’s set up to go off any given week will be fun.

        • SC Dave

          Greg…. cough…. Olsen

          • leftcoastdave

            Zackly.

    • SC Dave

      Burton, or Nall? Serious question – Burton is young, no?

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    “Which Reid offense will Chicago most resemble?

    Well, if it’s the Tara Reid offense…we’ll be giving it away a lot. A lot.

    • willbest

      Not in to raspy smoker voice

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Fakes up top (tits) and gaping holes through the middle (self explanatory). It could work.

      • CanadaBear

        I can’t remember an actress ruining her looks as quickly as Reid did (other than those that put on a metric ton). Her boob job might be one of the worst one’s I’ve ever seen and then from all the partying, she started aging in dog years.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          cocaine is a hell of a drug.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          …uh I’ll touch a nerve saying this but….Pamela Anderson.

          She looked perfect as the Tool Time girl on home improvement.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t disagree. Not a fan of fake boobs, esp the gigantic variety. I’m amazed at how many actresses have gone in for face lifts (not referring to Pamela). I get trying to look younger and doing a little nip and tuck here and there but those face lifts usually make them look like The Joker.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Agree. She went …(wait for it) …overboard on BAYWATCH.

            Thought her replacement on “Tool Time”, Debbe Dunning (Heidi”), was even cuter.

    • CanadaBear

      Botched surgery, horrible life choices and on the highway to hell, yeah that’s the O the Bears need!!!!!!!!!!!

  • “I wouldn’t go crazy. Bears should give young players chance to grow. This isn’t THE year. This is the year BEFORE the year.” – Jeff

    Dunno why THIS can’t be the year. I understand a few teams loaded up, but the Bears IMO have a better over all roster than the Loins and Puke.

    Vikes are a more complete team, but Cousins is still a wildcard. Some Vike fans feel he’ll be a step back.

    Outside rush (which didn’t have to be such big hole), this roster can do some damage.

    IF they can stay relatively healthy (cuz we’re not as stacked as say the Rams), WC could be in the cards.

    Then once you’re in the dance, anything can happen.

    (See Gmen, SB winners)

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Some Vike fans feel he’ll be a step back.”

      From Case Keenum?

      At the price they paid for Cousins?

      How funny would THAT be?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        A lot of fans aren’t very smart. Remember there was a lot of fans “Hopeful” that Glennon would not be Glennon.

      • VERY funny.

        They had such an anomalous situation. Bradford looked like an AP b4 he went down. Keenum played with such urgency. And was clutch.

        I think he gave the HC heartburn every week. He basically played like good Cutler without the TOs, but always flirting with them

        Was too much for him I guess so he went the “safer” route with Cousins, but Cousins is not as aggressive as Keenum.

        Vikes figure they don’t need an aggressive QB with their D

        Guess we’re going to find out.

      • BenderMcLugh

        I only know a few Vikes fans and they are not pleased with bringing in Cousins, not in the least. When asked they say he hasn’t proven shit and think he won’t be better than Case.

        • CanadaBear

          Queens fans can be pretty delusional. Not that I’m a big fan of either QB but Cousins has thrown for over 4,000 yds each of the last 3 years and his avg QB rating over those 3 years was 97.6.

          • BenderMcLugh

            same, I don’t get being down on Cousins as much as they are but I would absolutely rather have Trubs right now.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Cousins has an inferiority complex to how good RG3 was his rookie season before getting injured and flaming out.

            “Why am I behind this guy?”

            Because he was better than you.

    • Johnnywad

      You crack me up dude. You spent the entirety of the off season bashing Pace for being a moron and getting duped at every turn.

      • If I couldn’t self-delude myself, I wouldn’t be a Bears fan all these years!

        Actually, I liked his FA. For once, he wasn’t cheap.

        I didn’t like a lot of other stuff though. Like letting Cam just walk, then trading up for Miller, and I would’ve taken Landry over Daniels even if he did only have 1 knee cuz our pass rush is dangerously thin. Didn’t like allowing the Puke create terms for our player. Def thought Pace should’ve done more here and there, but the pieces are there now.

        I get what Jeff is saying though.

        It’s Nagy-Trub or Bust, really now.

        The one huge redflag I have about Nagy is that 2nd half meltdown in the playoffs, which was (or wasn’t) on him, but hey, even the best coaches get outschemed sometimes.

        I still think this team is a 6win caliber though. Mostly cuz I’m jaded and feel we’ll get hit with a rash of INJs like always, likely at the position we’re thin at most (OLB) and the schedule is pretty brutal, etc.

        But, as the season nears, hope springs eternal.

        It could all go right for the Bears.

        [trying to type that last line without laughing is hard]

  • EnderWiggin

    This is a great read Data, but I think you missed one key feature that will have an influence on our style – the Brad Childress effect. I’m not saying that we’ll resemble the Alliance Atlanta or the 09 Queens, but Childress was always a wildcard from the Reid branch and I HOPE that our offense doesn’t resemble anything we’ve ever seen – if that makes sense or is even possible.

    • I’m sure they won’t be exactly like either PHI or KC. But I think they’ll be closer to PHI in terms of more outside zone, and fewer ball-dominant players. That just matches their personnel better.

      I mainly looked at this for myself to see he ways this could differ, got the idea when I stumbles in phi running outside way more than KC. Now I’ll be curious to see if they keep a full back or not and how fast the tempo is.

    • So Bears. Sign up for Pederson, hire a younger balder Childress.

      • SC Dave

        Wet blankets are unwelcome this time of year. Unless, maybe, it is Kool-Aid that soaked it.

        • It was 114 in L.A. this weekend. Wet-blankets can be refreshing!

          I actually don’t think Childress will have much to do with the gameplanning. Kinda curious what is his role though.

          Maybe he’s doing more personnel stuff while Nagy focuses on installing system and dealing with players.

          • EnderWiggin

            I think his role with the Bears is completed. I was under the impression that he was just called in to help Nagy and Helfrich with the playbook.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            He took a job as a HC in the new league that is being formed. He will be leaving after training camp.

            https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-consultant-brad-childress-takes-head-coach-job-in-start-up-league/

          • CanadaBear

            Wait, that can’t be true. It doesn’t fit Butch’s bitching profile.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Of course it fits, any player or coach he does not have all the information on, means he bitches about them.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure how Pederson being the HC for the Iggles and Childress being a part-time consultant with a finite ending date makes Pace look bad for hiring him.

          • I was talking about Nagy becoming a younger balder Childress cuz for all we know, he could be, but I was only messing.
            Everyone thought Trestman was the next Bill Walsh originally too, which is why Bear fans are still pining for 85 Ditka

          • CanadaBear

            I can’t speak for anyone else but I wasn’t all that impressed with Nessman that first year. Yeah the O was better but the D and ST’s were much worse. NTM most of us were sure the veterans didn’t respect him.

          • Hmm. Kinda like a playbook consultant. Not sure I’ve heard of that
            Be a nice gig.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Does whiskey count?

          (sniffing)

          …god that’s not whiskey. Will the dry cleaner take this?

      • To be fair, Childress has been a kick ass offensive coordinator for years. He just sucked as a HC.

  • What we are were waiting for. Ryan Nall highlights!

    And all the pretty girls said he’s pretty fly for a white guy…

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Future HOFer!

    • BenderMcLugh

      nice wheels

      • SC Dave

        When I commented on this a few weeks back, I mentioned his burst.

        Watching him again, he reminds me a little of Forte – while he does not *look* fast, people don’t seem to catch him easily.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Forte never looked lightning fast…but christ…he had the best vision of really any modern running back. It was preternatural.

        • I thought the same. He doesn’t look fast but he kept out running a lot of ppl, including safeties.

          Maybe he’s got sneaky speed like you said

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    World Cup: FRANCE vs. BELGIUM.

    ….yes!!!! As an American I had no idea these two were still countries.

    Croatia vs. England? Don’t you mean YUGOSLAVIA vs. WANKERS?

    • BenderMcLugh

      Jeff’s got Belgium like most everyone, I’ve picked France since the start. This will be an excellent match

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        It’s funny how Zidane back in the day threw the final by head-butting a guy because he was just so pissed off and didn’t give a fuck.

        • BenderMcLugh

          I remember that match, Zidane was fed up with the non-calls but I forget who they played.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            yes…but I think the game was tied late or in extra time or something.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        England in group play played like such losers that first game that I was surprised they beat Sweden 2-nil.

        Belgium is the best team, but I want England or Croatia to win. YUGOSLAVIA!…for the younger folks. (god fuck NATO)

        • BenderMcLugh

          yeah that last match England looked as good as France/Belgium, surprisingly.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I’m used to England shitting the bed in big moments.

            (I was born in London before my dad moved me to rural America)

      • I’ve only seen maybe 1/3 of the World Cup, but these are the two best teams I’ve seen.

        I’m with you and picking France. I think we get a France-England border war in the final.

    • I’ve been all for Croatia as my dark horse from the start. They also have cool black jerseys.

      So you go, Yugo!

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m holding the Croatian flag as always whenever Ireland aren’t involved.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    The new Tomb Raider movie did their marketing all wrong.

    Should have been: starring the hot girl from Ex Machina but with long hair and not in a cage.

    And doing action sequences.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I’m watching the entire movie not knowing the plot or realizing there is dialogue.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    A tribute to one of mankind’s longest endeavors. Guns N Roses “Chinese Democracy”

    Now…that album was a massive comeback.

    • Irish Sweetness

      There was ‘Appetite’ and there was ‘Lies’ (for the inside sleeve alone). Classics. Could not abide by the rest of it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog
    @dabearsblog
    Tepper will be begging the taxpayer for money”

    “Begging”?

    I believe the more accurate term is “Extorting”.

  • willbest

    Shady McCoy has some explaining to do. And apparently he has a history on this front.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BlDej0VBIQy/?taken-by=miamor_i_adore

    • AlbertInTucson

      So, what is the timeline on these accusations?

      • willbest

        McCoy is now deny he had anything to do with it. Says he hasn’t dealt with any of these people in months.

        In 2013 he allegedly assaulted a woman, in 2016 he allegedly assault a couple off duty police officers.

        https://www.msn.com/g00/en-us/sports/nfl/lesean-mccoy-accused-of-allegedly-beating-a-woman-a-child-and-an-animal/ar-AAzR8zb?i10c.encReferrer=&i10c.ua=2&i10c.dv=16

        • AlbertInTucson

          So, in the age of “he beat me” accusations she waits MONTHS to post because…?

          • Sactowns#1

            Didnt wait months.. apparently they are saying this happened yesterday.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yup. Shady says he DUMPED her months ago. My bad.

        • From quickly reading the IG remarks, it looked like she got robbed by some of his “associates”
          If Shady had nothing to do w it, he could sue her friend for defamation cuz those are startling pics. Not to mention the accusation of roiding, drugs, and beating their kid and dog ( the latter, apparently to death)

          That’s a lot of shit which will get him banned from the league if true

      • Irish Sweetness

        More importantly, how do they relate to fantasy football?

    • BenderMcLugh

      Wow the link is already broken, wonder if she took it down or if the NFL deployed their stasi

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps Shady’s lawyers threatened her with jail time for slander?

        • Apparently Shady wasn’t even in the state, so this would be the mother of all jumping to conclusions.
          That being said, if Shady did beat her before on various occasions, then I suppose it’s understandable.

          A lot of posters, including women, were mad at them for not reporting the alleged child abuse.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Singer/Actor, Ed Ames is 91 today.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Have the French surrendered yet?

    • willbest

      Defending attacks from Belgium has always been difficult for the French.

      • AlbertInTucson

        US can’t help them this time around.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Yes we can. I can see tariffs and IMF “assistance” in the future.

    • Hey, we would all still be speaking English if it weren’t for the French!

      • AlbertInTucson

        They only threw in after a major American victory over the Brits.

        • Yeah but they forced the Brits to keep a large chunk of their fleet and army in England for fear of a French invasion.

          The Brits pretty much sent their JV team over

        • Irish Sweetness

          Dude, can I bring up tardy American entry into World Wars?

          • SC Dave

            Tardy?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Factoid: The French are the most successful military of the last 500 years.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I find that hard to believe.

        • SC Dave

          Napoleon was pretty good, but since then not so much.

          But ultimately, the French did win WWI, killing a shitload of Germans in the process.

      • They built a whole defensive Manigot line, full of fortifications, weapons installations, tank busters, barbed wire, mines, turrets…nearly 1,000 miles long… to specifically defend against the Germans

        And zee Germans STILL marched right over, slapped them in the face with their Weiner Snitchels, stole their art and fucked their women!

        If the Brits hadn’t sunk their fleet, Nazis would’ve got that too.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “But the NFL can’t let him ever put on a Bills uniform again until they’ve investigated every single detail of this horror.”

    That looks/sounds suspiciously like “You are guilty of these accusations until we decide otherwise.”

    • It’s a strange new world out there. W pics and eye witness testimony breaking out so quickly on social media, seems like a person is convicted well b4 court.

      The allegations are rather bad though. Not just beating his girl, but kid and dog. That’s the trifecta.

      And he even got in a fight w (off duty?) Cops in Philly, and add the steroid and drug accusations…

      That’s a lot for the NFL to just wait for due process

      • CanadaBear

        You can bet the NFL is investigating the hell out of it as we write this. You know they want to protect the shield (I hate that) and get this out of the headlines ASAP. Who knows at this point? Certainly isn’t a good look for Shady.

        • willbest

          The problem for Shady is even if these girls are lying, there is no way to repair his reputation. Even if he sues them for defamation and wins, the damage is done.

          • Am. Public is fickle.
            Remember that one draftee who had rumors swirling that he was being investigated for the murder of his pregnant ex?

            Olineman who the Cowboys ended up signing.

            He was cleared and now no one remembers him as a prego murderer.

            Heck, Vick and AP do some tv cameos from time to time and they admitted guilt.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt. Not making a rush to judgement. The before pics of his ex look like she’s running modified, not stock.

    • willbest

      I don’t know if they need to investigate every single detail of this horror. They say it was yesterday. He says he hasn’t been around either of them in months. One of them is lying. Anything that proves one or the other lying should be enough.

      • Sactowns#1

        Lying about what exactly? The beating yesterday? Beating his dog to death? Abusing his son? Taking steroids? A whole lot of accusations there to unpack. And for everyone saying “oh she couldbe lying” or “she probably blackmailing him” etc. How many pro athletes are there? Tens of thousands? Then why is just this one dude being “blackmailed” or :lied about”. Occam’s razor

        • willbest

          If she lied about him beating her up all the other accusations get discarded as slander. So why would you investigate them?

          • Sactowns#1

            I dont think the post ever said he beat her up, it just inferred he was responsible. Word around the campfire is he made lots of promises, let her live in one of his houses etc then suddenly wanted to boot her. She got the cops involved and they stopped him from forcing her out. Then just so happens, days later some toughs show up at her place and beat her up. Coincidence? Maybe but I doubt it.

  • willbest

    “That will take time. Bills training camp starts in two weeks.” – Jeff

    If he is innocent, and cooperates fully, I could have him cleared in 72 hours with the NFL’s resources.

  • Piggybacking off the revolutionary war, an interesting article on it w interesting tid bits like Thomas Paine railing on Washington, Adams initial contempt for all standing armies, and the love-hate all sides had for militias

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/myths-of-the-american-revolution-10941835/

  • Turns out Rudy Guiliani was taking money from the same Ukranians that hired Pauly “bang bang” Manafort.

    • Sactowns#1

      Why I am shocked! Shocked I say!

      • It’s brilliant really. Russians pay off Rudy to break up the Italian mob so their guys can take over NY.

        Where’s Steven Segal when you need him?

        • “Tattaglia’s a pimp. He never could’ve out-fought Santino. But I didn’t know until this day that it was Barzini all along.”

          “Pops, it was Guiliani. He crossed us.”

    • I’m pretty sure a lot of Rep esp in Congress are gonna be caught up in this when all is said and done. And a few Fox guys too

  • Updating the Shady fiasco. Apparently she was beat in a “targeted home invasion” that McCoy denies any ties to.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/10/police-report-describes-targeted-home-invasion-but-doesnt-name-lesean-mccoy/

    The next question is – why was the ex and her friend so quick to accuse Shady?

    And if the other allegations about roiding, child, woman and dog abuse are true regardless of this incident.

    This might end up like calling the cops cuz you got robbed, and they find your illegal gun stash.

    • willbest

      At this point I have two theories.

      1) Revenge. Shady broke it off with her she got beat up, and her BFF shit all over social media blaming him.

      2) Shady beat the shit out of her, and the after the fact plan was to claim home invasion in order to explain the beating. The BFF blew the whistle on it.

      • From reading up on it a bit, I have 4 theories, all with varying degrees of craziness.

        1. he beat her, straight up. All the other stuff is also true.

        Considering he was out of state at the time, doubt this.

        2. He sent a crew to rough her up.

        The cops said the assailant(s) asked for specific objects, then beat her up. It was also supposedly her last day there before being evicted.

        Sending a beat up crew so she gets the message to get the fuck out of his place would likely be worse legally.

        3. She planned it out herself in an effort to extort $ from Shady.

        This would be extremely Machiavellian and the least likely, but hey…

        4. The home invasion had little to do with either.

        Maybe there was a party one time, a guy took inventory of all his shit, got some boys together to rob the place later.

        Shady didn’t beat her (that time). Didn’t send his homies to rough her up. BUT…that doesn’t leave him off the hook from the other accusations, most disturbing of which is the child abuse.

        I wonder if the NFL can drug test Shady right now as part of the investigation, or if the union would lawyer him up.

        • He didn’t go full Rae Carruth on her. We know that.

          You never go full Carruth.

        • Sactowns#1

          #2 seems the most likely. My guess, the dudes get caught and it gets tied back to McCoy. I highly doubt they are making all of those allegations up out of whole cloth. There’s some truth in there.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I am actually leaning towards number 3. But not in an extortion effort, but more in line with not wanting to return specific items that Shady valued or a last ditch effort to cause harm.

          Shady had to sue in order to get her evicted. So it seems to me this lady might not be the most stable person at least emotionally at this time. When peoples way of life is threatened because a relationship is ending or has ended, it is my experience that they will do some crazy shit.

          Shady will still need to face the other accusations.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Home invaders usually have a specific target, bet it money, drugs or a person or people, no?

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • “Browner also faces felony charges of robbery, burglary and false imprisonment and two misdemeanor charges of child endangerment.”

      Also, cocaine possession I read somewhere.

      But he’s no longer on an NFL team, so who cares!?

    • willbest

      Wow, they threw the book at him.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Isn’t that usually to get him to plead down to man 1 or 2?

        • willbest

          Usually yes. But if they are throwing in endangerment of a child in there with burglary, assault and battery, attempt murder, they went all the way down to the bottom

  • Irish Sweetness

    28 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. Holy shit.

    • SC Dave

      Is that high? For Chicago, I mean.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      slow weekend.

      • willbest

        I was going to say, I think we average 10 shot per day. Although only 1.5 of them die

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