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The Positional Quick 3: Quarterbacks

| June 7th, 2018

I’m traveling in Dingle, Ireland years ago and I’m exhausted. This was my first day ever in Europe and I couldn’t keep my eyes open at 4:30 in the afternoon. My uncle turns to me and says, “Have a quick three. You’ll be fine.” I drank three Guinness in the span of a half hour. Seven hours later I’m dancing to a shitty Irish house DJ with Jenny Pye, a local lass who dreamed of being an EMT in New York City.

I’m very tired of this 2018 off-season. And incredibly eager for the season to begin. So I’m taking the quick three approach to each position group as we head into the summer. Not grading the groups or anything. Just making some points.


Quarterbacks

  • Some fans seem to have lost sight of a basic fact: Mitch Trubisky’s development will be the story of the 2018 season. Yes, Wentz went from struggling to MVP candidate. Yes, Goff went from “he’s a bust” to “somebody start making his bust for Canton”. But we have to remember those kinds of leaps are not common in the NFL, especially at the QB position. Trubisky doesn’t need to be an All-Pro in his second season. But if he can put together a 60% completion, 3,200 yard, 25 touchdown, 10-15 interception campaign, the Bears are going to be in good shape moving forward.
  • If Chase Daniel were to see the end of his three-year contract with the Bears, he’d earn nearly $35 million in the NFL. Daniel has thrown 51 passes in the league. Anybody who says Daniel is a good back-up or a smart signing is just guessing. He knows the offense, sure. But if you think he can win games should Trubisky go down, you’re basing that on preseason and Missouri tape.
  • Tyler Bray is 26 years-old so he’s not the prototypical clipboard carrier. But when your starting quarterback is a kid who has only started 25 combined college/pro games, you’d don’t really need to be grooming a kid in the show position. (Bears haven’t shown much interest in bringing Sanchez back, either. Odd how you don’t need a coach as third-string QB when you have good coaches.)

Tomorrow: Running Backs

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  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I hope to see a lot of Chase Daniel this year. Not because MT is injured or sucks, but in mop up duty in the 4rth Quarter.

    • The Yes Guy

      YES.

    • SC Dave

      Presumably with the Bears ahead, and not hopelessly behind.

      • I think if the Bears are getting blown out, Trub will stay in.

        Nagy will simply see it as valuable game reps for his young QB

        • SC Dave

          Hopefully, he wont do what Martz did to Cutler

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    The reporter who asked about Tru’s running should have asked the analogous question about Howard.

    Reporter: “What does Jordan Howard need to do to be an effective passer in your system?”

    Matt Nagy: “Are you on drugs?”

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Reporter: “What are your thoughts on Ryan Nall so far?”

      Matt Nagy: “Future HOFer!”

  • BerwynBomber

    “Bears haven’t shown much interest in bringing Sanchez back, either. Odd how you don’t need a coach as third-string QB when you have good coaches”

    But that is essentially what Daniels is. As the 2nd string QB.

    It was well-known that he served in the mentor role during Wentz’s rookie campaign. The guy is 31 years old and has started two games his entire career. Plus, he and Nagy may have crossed paths in KC.

    We didn’t sign this guy to potentially salvage a season if #1 goes down.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sanchez looking at an unpaid vacation for P.E.D.s doesn’t make him very attractive.

    • I don’t get the “mentor” thing for a QB beyond his rook yr. And Trub is an older soph to bout, not some wide eyed 22 yr old.

      Given how important the QB position is, it’s smarter to scour the market for POSSIBLE frabchise QBs. That’s what the Pats, Puke and Aints do.

      That’s how the Skins landed Cousins, how Hawks landed Wilson and the Girls landed Dak

      Seems smarter than the archaic has- (never)-been mentor route

      We need another Tyler Bray not Chase

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I don’t mind Chase being there. New Offense, which is probably 1 mill times more complex than last year. Chase has been in the offense. One more guy MT can bounce ideas and concepts off of.

        It is also Nagy’s offense, not Helfrich or Ragone’s, those 2 may be great at conveying concepts but it is also a new offense for them. So even with the limited snaps Chase has on field, he has gone through the practices and knows the concepts from the QB point of view. Once MT masters the offense we won’t need the “mentor” role.

        Pats, Puke and Aints are pretty bad examples. Granted the Pats and Puke took chances on QBs that may turn out to be a franchise QB, but they also had REALLY good starters already so it gave them flexibility. Brady had Bledsoe his first 2 years. Rodgers sat behind Favre, Brees had several years in SD before he got to NO.

        • The whole mentor thing is debatable. For instance, Favre said he wasn’t mentored. Infamously snubbed Vadgers. I think Bledsoe did the same w Brady (though I have to reread that).

          I think a solid vet does help a rook qb a lot just as a model of what it takes in the film room, off the field, nutrition, media, routine, etc but i think after their rook yr, not as important.

          I’d rather Bears take swings at QBs. The Pats drafted Jimmy G. Saints Garrett Grayson (3rd) , Puke Hundley-Kizer, Skins got Cousins in same draft as RG3, SEA, Wilson in spite of Flynn, Wentz, Romo, etc

          Just seems the way to go, at least for me.

          At the very least keep 3 QBs , one “mentor” on “prospect” , but bears have traditionally valued a sp teamer over that developmental QB , which I think is too short sighted.

          I think Martz had the right idea. He knew what Cutler was and wasnt and tried coaching new blood like LeFever and Enderle.

          Didnt turn out but not anymore of a sunk cost than JT thomas or Marcus Freeman.

          That’s my 2 cents

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            The success rate of mid to late round QB is awful. Wasted pick in my opinion.

          • CanadaBear

            Also, you can take some wild swings when you get 200 compensatory picks every year.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Chase has experience … of … er … living a long time. And he knows the O.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    TO not going to be at HOF enshrinement. One less blowhard speech to listen to.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/07/terrell-owens-says-he-wont-attend-hall-of-fame-induction/

    • AlbertInTucson

      1 less for me to miss.

      • I don’t get his rational. It’s not the draft. He already was notified months ago. Couldn’t he have celebrated w his circle then?

        Defies logic. Then again, so does TO

    • He seriously needs to be on meds.
      Is there a pill for narcissism?

  • But if he can put together a 60% completion, 3,200 yard, 25 touchdown, 10-15 interception campaign, the Bears are going to be in good shape moving forward. – Jeff

    Eli……….61%, 3,400 yds, 19 TDs, 13Ints
    Dalton…59% , 3,300 yds, 25 TDs, 12Ints
    McCown 67%, 2,900 yds, 18tds, 9 Ints
    Cutler….62%, 2,600 yds, 19 tds, 14 INTs

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2017&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go

    So this is pretty much the range we`re hoping for Trub this yr? Dalton is closest to Jeff’s projection.

    I don’t think I would have a problem in that it’s only his soph yr AND 1st yr in WCO.
    As long as Trub doesn’t STAY in that range going forward.

    If so, may as well have signed Keenum.

    • CanadaBear

      If he did that in his soph season what would make you think that would be the end of his development?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Butch just likes being a Debbie Downer

        • CanadaBear

          Indeed. Ever since he’s gone on his Hate Pace kick he’s gone out of his way to sow the seeds of doubt. Makes no sense. I’m all in on MT. If he’s a failure the Beloved will be set back another 5 years at least. I just can’t go there.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            The butthurt betty routine just gets old.

          • The complaints are valid, unless you wanna defend Glennon, Wheaton, Royal, Demps, Grasu, Sims, Fox, cutting Slauson and Sitton, allowing Alshon and Meredth walk out for nothing, or allowing our bitterest rival to create contracts for us…

            If I see a move I don’t like, I’m gonna call Pace on it, just like w Emery or Angelo.

            Honeymoon is over

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Meredith did not really walk away, he was still limping.

          • John F

            Meredith did not really walk away, he was still limping.

            Not according to the Saints ………

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I won’t defend Glennon and Sims.

            Wheaton, Royal, Demps were bodies and if they stayed healthy were upgrades to what we had, remember we were an absolute shit show when Pace took over. Also all 3 were on very team friendly contracts.

            Grasu, you are complaining about a 3rd round pick. Let me repeat that, you are complaining about a 3rd round pick.

            Slauson and Sitton releases were questionable but both were coming off injuries when cut.

            Alshon did not want to be here, Meredith coming of MAJOR injury.

            As for Fox, I know you wanted him fired last year, I just did not see it happening, with the built in excuse of injuries.

          • Never said he’s gonna fail. I liked Trub since BEFORE he became a Bear and was one of the few who didn’t stick his head in the oven when Pace traded up for him.

            But if Trub becomes Dalton 2.O, that would be a major disappointment , wouldn’t you say?

            But we won’t get a feel for that really until next yr

          • SC Dave

            The “all in on MT” is not much different Canada.

            But I know you better than that, and so does Butch.

            But yes, I prefer optimism over doubt, *particularly* when it comes to the best *demonstrated* skill player on offense.

            You know, the guy no one (well, except he and Nagy) said fits.

      • There’s a name or two up there who HAVEN’T changed much since their soph campaign.

        • SC Dave

          Hopefully, you didnt actually NEED to point that out…

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • CanadaBear

      Management has assured all their fans he will be fine. You know management would never lie!

  • John F

    “But we have to remember those kinds of leaps are not common in the NFL….

    I tried telling Johnathan Wood this yesterday, he wasn’t having it ……..

    • Yeah, Jeff’s projection is more reasonable. Essentially Dalton tier.

      I would hope his comp is at least 62% though given that the WCO/RPO scheme is predicated on shorter passes (the Anti-Martz).

      25 TDs would be phenomenal in my book however, esp if he hovers around 10Ints. That would be like Cutty’s best season.

      I would say around 20 TDs and 13ish INTs are in store for Trub, with 2-3 rushing TDs. Throw in 3 2point conversions for good measure

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s got to break 30 TDs passing with those receivers. Got to. I expect at least 25 and that’s just baseline.

    • Did you even read my article? I said I expect them to have an average offense this year. Which means I’m not expecting Trubisky to suddenly be an All-Pro.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        wow Wood’s just predicted Trubs will suddenly be an All-Pro

      • This offseason I’ve said the Bears are unlikely to jump straight to the playoffs or straight to a top-shelf offense in 2018. They will be better, but I’m expecting around .500.

        I have also pointed out they are an extremely young team that will be mostly intact for 2019, which means I think they will be better then. At this point in time I believe they should be a strong playoff contender in 2019.

        The arrow is pointed in the right direction, but this isn’t going to be instantaneous.

  • In seismic news, Bears sign Edibali!

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/07/bears-sign-kasim-edebali/

    Think it’s finally dawning on Pace that relying on two China dolls LOLBs and Acho for pass rush is not good odds.

    This guy seems like a solid add, but why has he been released by so many teams? Hmmmm.

    Glad Pace is still being active and seemingly cognizant of needs.

    • SC Dave

      Damn… that’s especially good if he’s Indian.

      But do any of them play football?

  • AlbertInTucson
  • Malice Halice

    Mitchell going for 63% 30 TD’s 9 INTS (3 in 1 game) which Will influence an onslaught of offense. We fuckin the league UP! All we need is to stay healthy n everything gone fall in place. Trust me, regarding FF we set at qb,hb, wr AAAND def/st. Shit finna get real in da NFCN

    • Hope you’re right. How awesome would it be to have Trub in the MVP convo in Sept? Last Bears QB to that was…Sex Canon?

      Godspeed Sexy Rexy, Godspeed…

      • Sebas Bear

        I remember when Rex was injured and I was excited when he came back. Yes, Bears fans starve for a good, consistent QB. Rex was not it, but at the time, seemed feasible.

        • Malice Halice

          Didn’t Rex come back off a injury n we went to da SB that year?

          • Sebas Bear

            The SB where we ran up and down the field to start the game. Then Lovie decided we should put the game in Rex’s hands. What could possibly go wrong with that game plan?

          • Rex’s tiny hands, in the rain. And don’t forget switching to CedDrunk when Thomas was slicing them up…ugghhh…serenity now….serenity now…

          • Johnnywad

            Dammit. God. Dammit.

            And Al Afalava. Dammit.

          • Hester returned the opening kick off for a TD!

            How the hell can a coach screw that up…Fucking Lovie.

          • John F

            Rex came back in game 14 in 2005 against Atlanta – SB was 2006

          • Johnnywad

            Remember how shocking the difference was between Rex and Ortman when Rex took over at halftime. “One of these things is not like the other.”

          • Rex is like Neo. The matrix of time and space do not apply to him

      • Malice Halice

        Our boy Mitchell got way too many toys to play with to not have a great season.

    • SC Dave

      It’s a long time til December.

      Just sayin.

      • Malice Halice

        We should get a decent dosage in August. Our pre-season has proposed how the season would carry out quite reflectively.

  • It’s gonna be slow as molasses. Some Bear bits…

    Mitchell Trubisky said Kevin White is “really hungry” and showing “a lot of passion” this offseason.

    “He wants to be coached,” Trubisky said. “He wants me to communicate with him every play — what I see, what he sees. And we’re talking on the field and off the field [about] what he can do to get better.” White expressed confidence to reporters earlier this offseason despite the Bears adding several new pass catchers, and it sounds like he is backing up those words on the field. While it is easy to write off White following three seasons in which he has played five games, he is at least worth watching in camp. – Roto

    Bears coach Matt Nagy said he will “have some fun” utilizing Tarik Cohen.

    This is at least the third time the new head coach has talked up Cohen this offseason. “You may look like you can run routes, but can you really run routes? He’s able to run routes,” Nagy said. “You can’t just put him in the backfield and say to the middle linebacker, ‘Cover him.’ So we’ll try to do some things there. He’s an athletic kid who does a lot of things well.” If coach chatter is to be believed, Cohen seems like a lock to better the 140 touches he saw as a rookie – Roto

    Bears coach Matt Nagy expects RG Kyle Long (neck, shoulder, elbow) to be “full speed” for training camp.

    Long is recovering from three different surgeries but has been active during OTAs. Long has said he’s been ready. Injury has limited Long to just 18 appearances over the past two seasons. – roto

  • Since it’s a slooow time, anyone have any good Bear games to see on YT? The Zona game pops upnon my feed randomly, but only so many times i can watch Lach become possesed.
    Only other games i can think of are the Favre turkey day win, and of course the time Mike Brown won back to back games by himself.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I thought the KC and Tampa Bay comeback games from ’87 slowed Jimmy at his best.

      Could only find the D killing DeBErg.

      How about Wally’s last home game?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Dingle?? Jaysus! Off to Dick Mack’s wi ‘ye.

    Are those three sisters still painting down on Ventry beach? Buy one in the gallery in the village!

    • Cormonster

      I dig this new song.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nice one Cor!!

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