• willbest

    If Pace has higher hopes for White than Meredith then he deserves to be fired

    • chitownproud85

      one is under contract still and one wasnt. Not sure it was “higher hopes” rather than just business. They didnt want to pay the dude 10 million over two years.

      • willbest

        then they should have paid him $3mil for 1. Stop pretending there wasn’t a 3rd way. And FFS White is a liability. He takes up a roster spot that could be used to develop chemistry with a better WR or just a WR that is going to make it past week 4

        • BenderMcLugh

          so Pace should be fired over this. please will

          • willbest

            Pace should be fired because he now has a track record at sucking moose wang when it comes to the WR position and an inability to learn from his mistakes

          • BenderMcLugh

            hahahha you are hilarious, love it

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Moose Wang. The C Bear effect.

          • CanadaBear

            It kinda has a ring to it, doesn’t it?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I’ll not lie. I use it all the time.

          • CanadaBear

            Always gets a chuckle when I use it.

          • Bear Instincts

            Pace should not be fired but he should be roundly ostracized. Keeping Kevin over Cam is an ego move on the part if Pace. He drafted Kevin so hes giving him all the chance.

          • SC Dave

            That has been my contention.

          • BenderMcLugh

            Isn’t Whites moolah already paid?

          • CanadaBear

            This is the last year of his rookie deal, all of it guaranteed.

      • Bear Instincts

        NFL is a business. Cam has produced more than Kevin. What business sense does it make to get rid if the guy who is producing but keep the guy who has been riding the bench

        • Braverman has produced more than Kevin.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Isn’t there still a chance that Kevin White is released a month from now? Nagy has a month to evaluate him.

          Maybe it’s really about having pass-catching tightends?

  • BenderMcLugh

    can’t say Jeff isn’t doing his part to quell the anger of Bears fans on twitter. Preach brother

    • Irish Sweetness

      Trying to make people feel and think what they do not …. like pissing against the wind on Neptune.

      • willbest

        I wouldn’t think there would be all that much atmosphere on Neptune to disrupt the stream.

        • Scharfinator

          But managing to piss before it froze would be difficult.

          • SC Dave

            By it, I presume you mean a specific body part.

          • Scharfinator

            Reader’s choice. 🙂

  • BerwynBomber

    Pace fucked up.

    Slap a second round tender on Meredith, which only would have cost the Bears an extra 1M, and Cam would be a Bear today (no team would have given up a second rounder for him).

    Basically we would have had him on a one year trial for less than 3M total (2.9M to be exact). Remember, Pace had already committed to paying him 2M by designating him an original round tenure.

    I like Pace. So far he is more hit than miss in my book, and that is ultimately what matters. And I love what he did this off-season in the FA market.

    But I don’t know how you argue this was a smart move when the difference between keeping him and letting him go was a measly 1M.

    This fascist mindset that we can’t criticize the GM is kinda nuts.

    • willbest

      It wouldn’t bother me so much if Pace was at least consistent. But we overpaid the hell out of Cooper, Wheaton, Sims, Glennon, and I would bet money this new TE that everybody is raving about.

      Yet we can’t pay a tiny premium for players that actually demonstrated competence in a bears uniform like Meredith, Sitton, Slausen,

      • Bear Instincts

        Preach

      • This is exactly why Pace seems avg. One step forward, one step back.

        Draft is a bit of a crap shoot (still would be nice though to have one of those SEA or Texans killer classes though) so in some way you can shrug off White and Grasu.

        But it just makes no sense to me what he did with Meredith, Sitton or Slauson.

        None.

        Aside from him being overly optimistic about their replacements, but we all know how wishful thinking fallacies usu pan out.

        One could spin it however they want. White will become a thing. Ballamy will finally catch. Inman is better (oh boy, Jeff, get off the Guinness!) Cam would’ve been the 5th option, etc etc

        It’s just mindboggling that Pace decided it’s ok to pay guys like Wheaton, Sims, Demps, but then goes cheap on Cam.

        But I guess I should’nt be surprised since this is from the same brain that concluded Glennon was worth $16M

        I liken it to going on a date and finding out the girl committed arson.
        It doesn’t bode well going forward.

        alarms are ringing…smoke alarms…

        • SC Dave

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      I’d say the GM is roundly criticized in these parts.

      • BerwynBomber

        Meant Jeff. Not you or other DBBers.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Meh. It’s just his opinion. We do what we want around here.

          • SC Dave

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, there is still a chance this scenario gets repeated the next eight days with Bryce Callahan.

    I’m genuinely surprised he has no reported meetings with other teams yet.

    • INJ prone nickle backs aren’t hot commodities.

      WRs in their primes who looked promising before a fluke inj are a tad more.

      • BerwynBomber

        Well, Bryce’s fragility aside — and it’s no small thing — good slot CBs are still valuable. And his PFF #s were off the charts the last two years.

  • Irish Sweetness

    If Cam is medically sound … it’s a really dumb move given all the uncertainty over other players.

    If he isn’t …. then it’s understandable, but why did NO sign him?

    • willbest

      Cam will need to pass a physical before he collects his saints money.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Aha. He might pass the medical but flame out in camp.

        We’ll live.

        Howard-watch is still in effect.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Passing a physical and contributing over a season on the field are not the same thing.

        • willbest

          I know. Which is why its fucking stupid to have the only starting caliber NFL WR on your roster coming off an ACL injury.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Got it. So you’re on record as not liking the Bears receiving corps for 2018. A solid position.

          • willbest

            I didn’t like them last year either, and I was right about that. And I consider this years group worse.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Nobody liked them last year.

            You’re day drinking aren’t you?

          • willbest

            I almost flew to Thailand and strangled Irish last year over his love for last years WRs

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            That would have been epic and just.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            How are they worse than last year? I by no means think they are good, but last years group was turds.

          • willbest

            You have to analyze last years group from what they did before they sucked it up for us.

            So white only has 2 freak leg shatters instead of 3. Wheaton sucked for us but was a solid #3 option in Pitt. Wright was productive but injury prone. Randle was solid for a #5 option.

            The only improvement is last year we had to take a leap of faith that cam could elevate to a true #1 where this year we only need Robinson to come back to form from his injury.

            How is Gabriel better than Wright? And on what other team are White or Gentry anything more than camp bodies? I like Bellamy as a special teamer but he is the 3rd best receiver on this team heading into the draft and that is terrifying

    • Bear Instincts

      What do the Saints know that we dont?Maybe we will be the Ravens this time and the Saints will be the Bears.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    I would not be surprised, or upset if the bears used the 2nd or the 4th rounder on a WR now.

    • CanadaBear

      I’d rather they waited until the 4th rd just because it seems like Pace isn’t exactly Nostradamus when it comes to WR’s.

    • willbest

      The problem is they need to spend on a WR now. Cam served as the 2nd round prospect (if he comes back great, if he doesn’t you got 2019). Its Robinson, who is coming off an ACL, and jags now.

      If Robinson was just a 1 hit wonder or he gets injured again who the F on this team is going to prevent the 8/9 man boxes?

      Sure Cam was coming off an injury himself, but at least that was a second basket for the eggs.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If we get one of those 6’5 guys in the draft – that would give MT a whole new out.

        • willbest

          But why put yourself in a position where you have to pick one of them up? Maybe you have somebody high on your board fall and now you have to decide if you get him or fill a hole.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            To get better.

          • willbest

            Reducing your flexibility without improving your output does not make your team better

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Well the contract calendar doesn’t work like that. Cam’s contract is due now. The draft isn’t until May.

            And further, you don’t think Pace has improved the passing game output this offseason?

          • willbest

            Headed into the 2017 draft our top 6 WRs were Meredith, White, Wright, Wheaton, Rueben Randle, Bellamy.

            Our top 3 TEs were Miller, Sims, Harvard

            Headed into the 2018 draft our top 6 WRs are

            Robinson, Gabriel, White, Bellamy, Gentry, and … Ayers

            Our top 3 TEs, Shaheen, Burton, Sims

            I don’t think you can look at that and argue its decisively better now. But Robinson is a stud!!! Yeah Cam Meredith had better 2016 stats than Robinson and he did it in 12 games instead of 16 because White was etched into the #2 WR spot until he went down. And now Robinson is coming off an ACL tear and is now 2 full season removed from his amazing sophomore performance.

          • SC Dave

            I agree that too much optimism surrounds Robinson at this time. He has to show something first.

          • With ya guys on that, Dave.

            “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket”

            Sometimes those ole proverbs stick around for 1,000s of yrs for good reason.

        • We need 6’5 guys who kill QBs more, Irish, and you know this man.
          Now that’s getting siphoned unecessarily

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        You’d prefer to wait until September or October, when it’s impossible to even get a different receiver, to find out he’s not right?

        I’m glad Pace cut bait now. Meredith may or may not rehab well. For a guy with his receiver pedigree, I’m glad he opted to move on. If Meredith goes to the Saints and becomes a perennial stud, good for him. And I’ll wish he was a Bear. But you have to play the shot in front of you. And this makes sense to me.

        • Bear Instincts

          How does letting go of a home grown talent that was ascending make sense? I hope Cam’a knee is as bad as they are saying. If not this will be Gould/Olsen all over again

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Because over two seasons he amassed 4 touchdowns. He’s a seventh round quarterback learning to play wide receiver. Hole tore his ACL and miniscus, and reportedly suffered nerve damage in the process. Not a peep about it since.

            I just don’t understand the hysteria over a project player with a really bad injury.

            Roster management is all about managing risk. Pace feels he’s better off without this risk.

            My stance since last fall, is that he’s being counted on as any more than a #3, Pace fucked the Bears.

            He needs another receiver now. Big deal. So does everybody else.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Cam wasn’t even a seventh round pick, he was undrafted.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I stand corrected.

            At least now I’ll know the answer to the trivia question “What undrafted Chicago Bear went on to become a Hall of Fame Receiver with the Saints?”.

          • Bear Instincts

            Kevin White is a project player that was drafted high with an injury history

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Horseshit. White was a consensus top 10 pick out of a big school with zero injury history coming out of college.

            He’s also NOT DUE A FUCKING CONTRACT!!! Why is that completely lost here?

            White and Meredith have absolutely zero to do with each other and their respective contract situations.

          • Bear Instincts

            Contract means nothing, production is everything. Cam has produced. Kevin has not

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            This is in the team photo for dumbest post ever.

          • What’s the risk though – $2M?

            That’s chump change. To me that’s worth finding out if Cam can become a true #2. Much more worth it then Dion Sims getting paid more to block on what, maybe 2 subpackages per game (if he even makes the roster)?

            And if Cam didn’t pan out, cut him. No big deal. You don’t get shit for him, but you’re not getting shit for him now , so what’s the difference.

            If Pace traded Cam for something, it would be a diff scenario.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            A roster spot for that WR position.

            I’m throwing in the towel on this one.
            None of us will know shit until he plays. If I were Pace, I’d have done the same thing. Too much risk for very little reward. We in Chicago have succumbed to thinking Cam Meredith is irreplaceable.

            4 Touchdowns in two seasons. 4.

          • Roster spot of some UFDA flier? Cuz if Pace drafts a WR in the 4rth or even 5th, that dude’s not being cut for Cam.

            Cam IMO is better than some UFDA at this point.

            And keeping Cam doesn’t prevent Pace from drafting a WR if he so chose because the contract was small.

            Pace has no problem eating contracts.

            TDs in this O were had to come by for EVERYONE.

            But he played in roughly 14 games and racked up 888 yds under Fox with guys like Hoyer and Barkley throwing to him.

            That’s not shabby.

            Imagine what he could’ve done in a real O with a real QB.

            Guess we’ll find out when we watch NO games.

          • SC Dave

            Well, I suppose White has not wasted a roster spot very uhc from the IR.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I’m wondering aloud why we bash Pace for drafting a player with a clean injury history in college, while also bashing him for cutting ties with a severely injured player. And for some reason, most of you choose to ignore that Meredith was in a contract year, while White is playing on a cheap rookie deal. If White were up for renewal, he’d have been gone in a blink.

            Everybody wants the roster to get younger and healthier. But somehow, nobody wants to part ways with old or broken players. This place is nuts these days.

          • willbest

            Allen Robinson has 6 TDs in two seasons. 6. And he is getting $25 mil guaranteed.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Oh. We’re counting the season on IR for each? Or just the ones they played games in? Because Robinson has 22 touchdowns in the three seasons he played in. Cam has 4 touchdowns in the two seasons he played in. But if we add the IR seasons to each, it’s still 22 to 4, just with an extra season of no games. Either way.

          • willbest

            nah we just looking at the last 2 seasons since its a what have you done lately kind of league.

        • SC Dave

          Like that bait he cut with White?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            White isn’t due a contract.

        • I would agree with you IF Cam was going to cost a lot and if we were cap strapped.

          Neither are true.

          Pace could’ve cut bait from Cam with little pain later in the season.

          And if Cam became a thing, and Pace still wanted to get rid of him because of medical doubts, TRADE him.

          Get SOMETHING for him. A lot of teams would gladly take a chance on a cheap WR in his prime (we did).

          In this scenario, we essentially trained Cam then gave him away for free.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Or we could keep it simple and replace him with a 4th rounder with two good knees. I don’t get all the gnashing of teeth over a guy with 4 touchdowns and a fucked up knee.

          • We NEED that 4rth RDer for more desperate needs.
            Pace poked 2 holes in the roster unnecessarily. OG and WR.

            And why?

            Sitton and Cam make this team better now AND would’ve provided Pace with more draft flexibility.

            And that was his whole spiel when he first became GM – use FA to complement the draft and provide ultimate flexibility.

            he has done the opposite.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not exactly thrilled with the situation but if Cam’s knee really is the issue and it’s fucked, all this teeth gnashing is for naught. I get not trusting Pace when it comes to WR’s but it just might be that simple.

          • It could be Canada, but isn’t like $3M worth finding out?

            Cam was not Braverman running around out there. He started 10 games and racked up 888yds.

            He would’ve easily hit 1,000 yds receiving that yr (with our QBs and Fox, mind you)

            That’s worth the $3M investment, IMO.

            The Saints and Ravens thought so too.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not disagreeing with you and I’m not banging the drum for the Bears medical staff but if they truly didn’t like the medicals why pay the premium? I’m not going to crucify Pace now, if Meredith starts balling for the Saints, I’ll be bitching like mad, trust me.

          • To me, outcomes kinda wouldn’t sway me. I just don’t understand the logic.

            Like, even if Cedrunk became a great HB, I still wouldn’t have understood the logic of drafting him when Thomas Jones was good.

            I still don’t understand getting rid of Slauson. Something about “scheme” fit blah blah.Sure, Pace got Sitton, but unless Pace knew that beforehand, seems like a dumb move.

            Same here. Taylor Gabriel, Inman, White, (insert draft pick) COULD ball, but even then I would say “Well, imagine what Cam would’ve done”.

            Maybe Pace lucks into some AP like he did with Sitton, but I simply don’t understand the logic.

            I’m left almost rooting against Cam so that I won’t think our GM is tarded.

          • SC Dave

            I won’t root against Cam for that. Only if he blocks the Bears way to/in the playoffs.

          • CanadaBear

            From what I remember, Cam was a willing blocker.

          • CanadaBear

            The first thing that comes to mind is GP naming Angelo Glitchy. That was the perfect moniker for him. Pace has the arrow pointing in that direction.

          • willbest

            He would have hit 1000 if he didn’t spend 3 games on the bench because Pace told Fox to make Kevin White happen.

          • willbest

            So in your mind spending a scarce resource (draft pick) on the chance that some relatively healthy college athlete can elevate his play. Is better than spending an abundant resource (money) on a player that has already demonstrated he could elevate his play when he is healthy.

            Why not do both. I mean Pace intended to gamble on Cam. He guaranteed him $2 million.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            When the player in question suffered a catastrophic, season ending knee injury and hasn’t run a step in pads since, yes.

            Why do you give zero credence to the fact his knee may in fact be shot, and that it’s a big risk to take on?

            Had Cam played last season, and put up numbers like the season before, this is a slam dunk. But he didn’t.

            And you guys crucify Pace for his injury signings, but somehow, the worst and most recent injury of the bunch, gets a complete glossing over.

          • willbest

            I give zero credence to it because Pace fucking guaranteed him 2 million dollars. See if you want me to believe that Cam’s knee is shot, then the guy who supposedly has the most information of every GM can’t guarantee him $2 million.

            If he hadn’t tendered Cam at all, then I could understand his good faith belief that the knee is shot. But he was willing to gamble. So what you and all the other Pace defenders need to do is prove why the pot odds on $3 million were intolerable but $2 million represented value.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Could be a few things. Could have been done to buy him time. Could be because he actually established a risk/reward budget and stuck to it, like an adult, or say, a business man. Could be he just did Cam a solid and made sure he got more than vet min out there. Perhaps it was to see what else Cam could get and decide if he wanted to match it.

            Either way, he wasn’t willing to sign the guy for $3 mil, and he wasn’t willing to extend him, and he wasn’t willing to just let him walk. Everything isn’t as black and white as you paint it.

            And it’s not for me to convince you that his knee is junk. Time will tell us all that. But you refuse to even consider it a factor, and yet bash Pace for taking on players with injury history.

          • willbest

            Its not a factor because no businessman bets $2 million on a junk knee. So either its not junk, or Pace isn’t a businessman. And you are adamant about Pace being a businessman, so you are adamant about the knee being, at worst, inconclusive.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            It is a factor precisely because it’s inconclusive. And he may have in fact established his risk tolerance at $2M and not 50% more than that.

            I’ve said repeatedly that we don’t know. That’s exactly what makes this decision complex.

            Your approach seems to be “Fuck it. Pay him. I’m sure it’s fine.”

            So what’s your ceiling? $4M? That’s only a million more than 3. $5M? Well shit, that’s only a million more than 4. What’s another million at this point? Might as well make it $6M.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            For a team that spent a billion dollars for a flyer on Mike Glennon?

            Yeah. 1M is nothing.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            One mistake means it’s fine to make more?

            I’d be sooooooo fucked it that was a thing.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Yes. Absolutely.

            If it costs as much as Mike Glennon. Which Meredith should and would not have.

          • willbest

            Your logic seems to indicate that there weren’t 3 options
            $0, 2 million, 3 million.

            Lets go through them
            $0 – its too risky, no gamble

            $2 million – I may get to gamble on the potential, but if somebody else thinks there is more value, I can decide if its still valuable to me or I get nothing

            $3 million – I most likely get to gamble on all the potential, and if not I get compensated biggly

            Remember when the Browns paid $17 million for a 2nd round pick? So how you don’t risk $1 million for that potential return I won’t ever know.

            The only conceivable reason to not put a 2nd round tender on Cam is because it would make Cam disgruntled and Pace is a giant soft teddy bear. Which means he isn’t a businessman

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            You never answer any questions.

            You must have been the captain of the Debate Club back in private school.

            Ah well. We’ll revisit this in December.

          • willbest

            $2.9 million is my ceiling. I thought that much was obvious from the entirety of my posting on dablog the last 2 days

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            But what’s another million? Right?

          • willbest

            You being silly. I don’t have to spend another million. I am not arguing what price we should have signed Jeffery for. The league rules stipulate I get the gamble I want for 2.9 million or I get a 2nd round pick.

    • And we SHOULD be using that on OLB/OLB/OG/ILB/DE/DT

      and maybe even CB (Prince/Bryce are not long term answer).

      Massie is not exactly AP either.

  • leftcoastdave

    Harry says:

    Equanimeous St. Brown*, WR, Notre Dame

    Height: 6-5. Weight: 214. Arm: 33. Hand: 9.75
    40 Time: 4.48.
    Projected Round (2018): 2-3.

    4/7/18: St. Brown had 33 receptions for 515 yards and four
    touchdowns in 2017. Throughout the season, St. Brown got open through
    his excellent route-running while also seeing a lot of double teams, but
    the immense struggles of Notre Dame’s quarterback play and passing
    offense limited St. Brown. At the NFL Scouting Combine, St. Brown helped
    himself with an impressive 40 time for a big receiver. He is a sleeper
    prospect who could be a steal.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Or Auden Tate.

    • BenderMcLugh

      4th round? not sure he lasts that long, but he’d be a great option

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        He’s not lasting that long. And he’s no sleeper.

        • BenderMcLugh

          Excellent game change lol

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            I’m a giver. 🙂

      • He’ll go in the 2nd at latest. Maybe even late 1st.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’d use the second on a big guy. Cant buy ’em.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Gone by 2.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I shall be giving this baseball documentary the once over.

    If Kevin Costner knows football, he prolly knows baseball too.

  • BenderMcLugh

    I think Jeff just nailed the main reason why Cam wasn’t kept for any price:

    “you do realize the Bears are going to be installing a new offense for the next five months and Cam wouldn’t take part in any of that”

    I did NOT realize this, and to me it makes the most sense why they wouldn’t care if he walked.

    • BerwynBomber

      Keep trying …

      • BenderMcLugh

        Spacial Teams buddy, which he didn’t play.

    • willbest

      If nobody had offered Cam anything the Bears would have been forced to pay him $1.9 million. That is the whole point of the tender process on RFAs. So the Bears were obviously were going to keep Cam for a price.

  • evantonio

    The Bears allegedly passed due to medical reasons. The knee obviously didn’t bother the Saints or the Ravens who were apparently putting together an offer before he signed with the Saints. Do I trust those teams’ medical staffs more than ours? Yes. Yes I do. It’s admittedly not an educated thing, more of a knee-jerk reaction to our own team’s injury history over the past number of years.

    I’m disappointed. Knowing we could have had him pretty much locked up for $2.9mm on a 1-year prove-it deal, but losing him for nothing stings. Robinson/Meredith/Gabriel was a real nice trio, even if 67% of that trio was coming off an injury.

    Yes yes, I know. We’ll have Tarik and Shaheen and Burton. But don’t you feel more comfortable having those guys supplement the above trio vs. Robinson/White/Gabriel? Shit, didn’t they bring back Josh Bellamy for 1.9mm? You telling me Cam isn’t worth 2.5x more than Josh Bellamy?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      You trust another teams medical staff that has had limited access to the player and his med records, over the staff that has been reviewing everything since the time of the injury and working with him through rehab.

      • Have you watched the bears for the past ohhhh 30 yrs?
        I would trust Dr. Dre over those guys at this point.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          LMAO!!!!

          God damn would that be a priceless interview.

          “So Dr. Dre, tell us about the depth of the injury to that knee and how Cam is progressing.”

        • KentuckyBearsFan


          “I Need A Doctor”

      • willbest

        That cuts both ways. Because Robinson is coming off an ACL

        • evantonio

          but his knee looks fine in all those highlight vids we saw.

          • White’s or Robinson’s?

            Where’s Knox when you need him…

          • evantonio

            If Pace can use our 5th to get a new Knox, I would be ok with that.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Knox needed a more accurate QB. Fast as hell. Since he didn’t have the best of hands.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A spindly little receiver that doesn’t know his playbook?

          • evantonio

            He didn’t know the playbook?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          True, but Robinson only tore 1 ligament in the knee, not 2 with the possibility of nerve damage like Cam. Robinson release was also partially because of cap issues the Jaguars had.

          • willbest

            The Jags have $13 million in cap space. They could have made it work if they felt it was worth it.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            They still have a draft class to sign. Most teams like to keep some space to start of the season.

      • Bear Instincts

        The Ravens knew about McPhees kneed. Nuff Said

      • evantonio

        yes. yes i do.

        • CanadaBear

          Sadly, I understand.

        • SC Dave

          I do too.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        me too. The Bears medical staff has few fans.

        • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

          Isn’t it an entirely new staff?

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            One would hope.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He got $5.4M GUARANTEED from the Saints but the Bears “could have pretty much locked up for $2.9mm on a 1-year prove-it deal.”?

      ????

      • willbest

        If they stuck a 2nd round tender on him any team that signed him would have to give the bears a 2nd. They opted for a right of first refusal which instead. The former means the team is agreeing to pay them 2.9 mil, the later means we were agreeing to pay him 1.9 million. So bears were already on the hook for 1.9 million. So pace was willing to gamble 2 mil on the knee but not 5.5 mil. The eternal question then is why in blue hell was 1.9 mil worth it and not 2.9

        • BerwynBomber

          People are having a hard time separating the contractual cause-and-effect.

          The issue isn’t failing to match the Saints deal. Maybe Pace will be proved right there.

          The issue is that we could have had Meredith for a measly 2.9M on a one year prove it deal if Pace had tendered him properly.

          • willbest

            Its not even that we could have had him for $3 million. Its that we decided we owed him $2 million. We could have just let him walk without tendering him anything. That is what you do if you don’t believe in the knee.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agree. We had already committed 2M to him. So why not bump it up a measly 1M more and retain him.

            And yeah, if the knee was so bad why tender him at all in the first place?

            Ah well, probably won’t haunt us like Olsen, but seems some contradictory thinking, to put it favorably.

          • evantonio

            i agree with everyone you and will have said here.

            let’s just hope this isn’t another instance of pace creating a hole that didn’t need to be there/doesn’t get filled in a meaningful way.

          • Bear Instincts

            Pace was basically playing cute and nice thinking he is smarter than everyone else. The Saints out played him

          • None of this makes any sense, Will.
            Besides my theory that Pace was indeed going to match any tender, but once he saw it was his ole buddies the Saints, he decided to let them have Cam as a solid.

            How about that as a conspiracy theory?

            (The other option is that Pace is just a dumb motherfucker making it up as he goes along).

          • Bear Instincts

            The dumb MFer makes more sense

          • SC Dave

            It all makes sense if you consider the primary motivation to ensure that Pace doesn’t have to cut White.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Or to look at the obvious, his knee is fucked.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Fucked Knee theory is solid.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            poor Cam.

            Get him to one of Kobe’s German doctors pronto!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Looking out for his old friends. Yep. Not good for us.

      • evantonio

        2.9mm tender would’ve come with a 2nd round pick trap, which most likely would’ve scared other teams off.

        • not most likely, * absolutely would’ve scared off any team.

          • evantonio

            i tend to agree, but i didn’t want to speak in absolutes when my league sources would neither confirm nor deny.

    • knee-jerk…i see what you did there.

      I was really looking forward to Robinson/Meredith/Gabriel trio, esp Cam because he LOOKED good.

      Smooth. Explosive. Could actually catch.

      It just seemed like he was always open. He might be one of those rare guys who accelerates on his breaks (as opposed to telegraphing or slowing down).

      The Saints know a lil something about that.

      Oh well.

      • SC Dave

        *If* the knee is good, expect 70/1100/8 working with Brees.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          LOL! I bet he barely gets 35/400/2

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            50/ 700 / 8

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think they basically traded in Cam for Allen .. .who is another risk.

  • BerwynBomber

    In other news, Reuben Foster seems like a swell guy.

    • CanadaBear

      What a dick. If you can believe the report, he got his six games worth on the suspension. I understand being mad at your partner. Take a fucking walk or something. You know the media will crucify him more than usual to make sure none of the blow back gets on St. John Lynch.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I don’t get the hitting women thing, especially with the repeat offender dudes. Seek some counseling or something.
        A sense of entitlement and a propensity for violence are a nasty mix.
        Our modern day gladiators.

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah, that shit gets passed on from one generation to the next. Really sad. Mr Warm and Wonderful, Milton Bradley, is working on going to prison for life. Crazy!

        • Unfortunately I’ve seen it first hand. It’s just RAGE.

          I know ppl like to tell themselves, “Oh, it’s just some weak dude with a small pecker”

          But it’s usually not. It’s usu some aggressive alpha male who just loses it completely and takes it out on the closest thing next to him – whether that’s a wall, car, another dude, a woman or kid.

          roids tend to make it worse, needless to say.

          That’s why they send wife beaters to anger management, but there’s just some ppl who become Incredible Hulk no matter what.

          • CanadaBear

            My best friend (we were friends since we were kids) was a power lifter on the sauce. I knew he would never hit me but I also knew when to shut up. He was 6’5″ and his weight ran from 250-300 depending on his cycle. He stopped drinking and going into bars in his early 20’s. He always was volatile but when he was on the sauce it was another level. Sadly he passed about 20 years ago.

          • Yeah, the term ‘hot heads’ is really benign for what actually happens to ppl like that. They really do transform from cool kind humans to raging animals. Drink and roids make it worse.
            It’s also been my experience that ppl like that came from abusive families themselves. The one person I knew who was like that used to get the shit beat out of him by his military stepdad.
            He would provoke him so the stepdad would beat him instead of his lil brothers or mom. Someone was gonna get beat, so he took it.
            Needless to say, he grew up a hellraiser and fighter, but he would just FLIP. He never beat a woman, but he would get in the face of 3 guys no matter how big they were. I could easily see the lines being crossed. See it with road rage over here too.

            Sorry to hear about your friend. Did he die from complications of the drink and roids?

          • CanadaBear

            Car accident. Icy road and a bridge abutment. That’s all I knew. His funeral was really sad considering how much of a wild man and funny fucker he was growing up. He calmed down for the most part but avoided crowds, esp if they were drinking. By far the funniest and wildest friend in my life.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Rage by whom?

            Women can generate rage. By nature they are manipulative and conniving, they have to be to survive the male. Let’s not pretend they’re all innocent young fawns prancing about the garden of Eden. Most every fight between two males I’ve ever seen was started by a woman. Light the match and then walk away. Men are blind to it. Something about women drops a guy’s IQ by 30 points as soon as they get their hooks in.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          I think it’s also a case of women got crazier and men got stupider.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Medical doctors and psychologists are almost barred from studying overall domestic violence trends by gender.

            One guy did and found surprising results (he did not like the result) that it was maybe 60/40 in terms of the genders. Maybe 55/45.

            Professor got either fired or was told completely to stop his studies and avoid the topic.

          • SC Dave

            Truth always loses to the victimhood narrative now.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Men are generally discriminated against.

            At least a friend of mine got joint custody of the kids (or more) because the mom was a little nuts with little income.

          • SC Dave

            Yes, we are.

        • AlbertInTucson

          And there are SOME when who, repeatedly, seek those men out.

          • SC Dave

            Co-dependency can be an ugly thing.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The vicious cycle of family violence.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They do in self-defense, Al. Only a victim would allow himself to be beaten or injured by a woman. That would be insane. They want equality? Here it is. Can’t pick and choose.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Have to figure that, at the very least, Mr. Foster’s probably won himself, a 6-week, unpaid, in-season vacation.

      https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/12/breaking-district-attorney-charges-reuben-foster-with-felony-domestic-violence/

      Can you say “FELONY Domestic Violence” boys and girls?

  • So essentially 60% of DBBers conclude this is a dumb move.

    What might piss me off more is if Pace drafts a WR before the 6th.

    We still need a lot of other positions. don’t need to be filling holes that captain himself is poking on the ship.

    • SC Dave

      Sort of like bailing water into the boat, eh?

    • BenderMcLugh

      DJ Chark is mocked to go in the 3rd, a trade to get into the 3rd would be perfect, but not at the cost of another stud with the 2nd round pick.

    • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

      What poll are you reading?

      So you’re just bending “Local Kid I’ll miss rooting for” into your viewpoint? That’s far from “This is dumb.”

      LOL.

      I’d say 27% feel as you do.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The ONLY kind of receiver it would be worth us drafting is the guy we can’t buy. The Megatron.

      If we don’t draft Auden Tate or Eq. Brown in round 2, we have no chance in 4.

      Follow that scenario. Pace knows this. He gambles on Kush et al to work out at LG and avoids taking a guard high (even though he looks a sure-fire pro-bowler). He gets his pass rusher/OLB/ILB in the first. He drafts his WR in 2. Maybe he takes OL in 4 and then a sneaky corner in 4 too. LB in 5.

      Smell like Pace?

  • John F

    I’m hearing that Pace is going to trade up in the first round to get the first overall pick from Cleveland.

    He will give Cleveland this year’s number eight pick and the Bears 2018 second round pick, as well as the Bears 2019 and 2020 first round picks so that he can draft Calvin Ridley the WR from Alabama.

    Pace was quoted saying that he needed to make this move due to the “surprising and unexplained loss of Cam Meredith”.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Huh?

      Where are you hearing THAT?

      I don’t think they have to trade up to get Ridley.

      • willbest

        Poe’s law

        • AlbertInTucson

          “Poe’s law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views. The original statement of the adage.”-Wiki

          I had to look it up.

      • John F

        Sarcasm my frent, sarcasm …… making fun of Pace’s 3rd to 2nd panic in the 2017 draft …..

    • Irish Sweetness

      Maybe he’s also just watched Draft Day and is buying the Costner-cool. Sell the future. Get the top pick now.

  • John F

    This is a pretty insightful question regarding the Cam situation that came up on Brad Biggs weekly Bears questions in the Tribune:

    Although we don’t know what Matt Nagy’s offense is going to look like in Chicago, we can get some hints about what it could be like by looking at Kansas City and Philadelphia’s offenses from a year ago. If you look at who got the pass targets on each of those teams, one thing stands out: the No. 1 tight end is more targeted in those offenses than the No. 2 wide receiver. In Kansas City, the most passes went to TE Travis Kelce (122), WR Tyreek Hill (105), RB Kareem Hunt (63) and WR Albert Wilson (62). In Philadelphia, the most passes went to WR Alshon Jeffrey (120), TE Zach Ertz (110), WR Nelson Agholor (95) and WR Torrey Smith (67). The Bears spent big money this offseason on their No. 1 WR (Allen Robinson) and their U-Tight End (Trey Burton). Those two players are probably going to be targeted the most in Nagy’s offense, to the tune of about 100 targets each. The third-most targeted player on the Bears this year will probably get between 60 and 90 targets and the fourth most may get 40 to 60 targets. The Bears already have a running back who got a lot of pass targets last year (Tarik Cohen with 71) and I don’t see them decreasing his pass targets this upcoming season. They also signed another WR (Taylor Gabriel) who had 72 targets last year in Atlanta and has averaged 55 targets a year for his career. Could part of this decision to not match the contract for Cameron Meredith be based on the thought that there won’t be enough passes to go around in this offense to justify $5 million per year for what very well may be the fifth-most targeted player in the passing offense? — Tony P., Pasadena, Calif.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      Yeah. Said that yesterday. But hey, Biggsy.
      Amiright?

      Not enough balls to go around. (That’s what she said)

      But nah, let’s stick with Pace is just being super kind and dumb and giving the Saints a true #1 for a ham sandwich.

      Now where’s my tinfoil hat?

      • John F

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      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Those numbers make a lot of sense if your tight end is Kelce.

        But pass-catching tight ends are a hallmark of the Reid offenses. It seems like always.

      • willbest

        Then why isn’t Jimmy Graham a Bear?

        • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

          I don’t know. Why?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Leader for TE dropsies last season if I recall. Led most receivers too.

    • Taylor Gabriel saw 51 targets last year, and 50 the year before that. Though I’m guessing they envision him in a bigger role in Chicago. He saw 72 targets as a rookie in Cleveland.

      Here’s my concern with that approach: Burton had 95 targets TOTAL in 4 years in Philly. Now he’s gonna produce while getting 100+ per year in Chicago?

      All their guys have big questions. Robinson is coming off a knee injury. Gabriel is jumping from a WR3-4 to a WR2. Burton is jumping from a TE3 to TE1. Shaheen is an unknown. Cohen is limited due to size; don’t know that he can do much more than last year (weapon in limited touches). Kevin White is Kevin White. A rookie is a rookie.

      I get Cam would come with questions too. Right now they have 5 people who they likely feel good about, plus White and a rookie to compete behind that. They need 5 reliable weapons out of that. Leaves very little room for error.

      Given all the questions, I’d prefer more depth. That was there with Cam, or if they knew they didn’t believe in Cam they should have added one more player when there were still solid options available.

      • John F

        If it doesn’t work out, they all get fired. But you can’t buy #1 or #2 WR’s or #1 TE’s in free agency, you have to buy guys below that and hope they can handle it.

        • willbest

          WRs are a bit more available than that. You aren’t going to land a megatron or Julio but Robinson this year, Jeffery last year, Maclin 2015, Eric Decker and Golden Tate in 2014. All of which were at least WR2 material or better. Dez Bryant will probably be available next year. He isn’t a true WR1 but he is at least a 2.

          In the TE market, Jimmy Graham. Bennett was a #1 TE for awhile. A couple other top 20 TEs in the last couple years as well.

          Genuine studs rarely become available though. Teams don’t tend to get rid of them unless they have no choice (cap)

          • John F

            It’s all individual perception I suppose. Bryant seems like a 3 since he has fallen off a cliff the last three years, same for Graham – his best years are behind him. That’s probably why he was available. In free agency you find either #1’s (or #2’s) past their prime, or guys that haven’t gotten the opportunity to be #1’s (or #2’s). You can only really fill holes temporarily.

            I think that to be successful long-term, you need to be those teams that get compensatory picks each year (ones that lose guys in FA instead of always having to fill holes via FA) and have 8 or 9 picks instead of the normal 7.

          • willbest

            Well Cam getting signed away should help with the Comps. Oh wait we had to spend big in FA again this year. nvm.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If we had 6’5 Tate or Brown on this team, then we’ll forget Cam very quickly. A guy that can stretch the field in all of its dimensions puts you over the top when you have the other pieces already in place.

            It’s when the defense forgets about Jordan that he’ll really shine, and they never forgot about him last season. Cohen flaring out, Robinson and Tate going deep … Jordan would have nothing but wide open spaces like a Dixie Chick.

          • willbest

            you seem to think height is going to get us 900 yards production.

      • Not too mention if god forbid Allen or Burton go down (or both).

        Then were those 100-200 targets go to – Howard, Inman, Gabriel?

        That’s why teams have #2 WRs, guys who can get you 800 yds in a pinch instead of having to resort to Bellamy and Daniel Brown.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Injuries. Exactly. This is maybe why you keep him around. Expect injuries and starters going down. That’s what you plan for. Pace is only planning for starting XIs it seems. No depth anywhere.

      • SC Dave

        All that, and you wanted to trade Howard?

        • Bear Instincts

          It’s the Kool-Aid Dave

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’s got Bears stuff on his Twitter. I think we all got our knickers in a twist, Pace would be run out of Chicago if he sold Jordan for a bag of grass.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • BenderMcLugh

      Sears = Montgomery Ward now

      • AlbertInTucson

        Circling the drain along with K-Mart.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Sigh. Used to so look forward to the Sears “Wish Book” when we were kids.

          Dog-eared many pages in the toy section.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            As a young teenage male, the bra section was popular.

            Damn times have changed.

          • willbest

            Kids today have it too easy

    • willbest

      Just the last one in the city. Still plenty in the suburbs.

      The disruption in the retail space has been something to behold though. Bustling strip malls of my youth are semi abandoned now. I was in woodfield mall (big mall in Chicago suburbs) about 5-6 months ago and it had a completely different feel to it from when I was a kid. I swear its a third restaurants now. Not food court. Actual sit down restaurants that run the gambit from $15 entrees to $50 entrees.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Leveraged buyouts the past 10 or so years are most of the reasons for so many retail bankruptcies in America.

        Commie bastards with monopoly money taking their money out upon the deal closing, not giving a shit if thousands lose their jobs. Or frankly with bailout money more recently.

        (not sure if that is the case for Sears…I’m assuming Sears was uncompetitive for a long time.)

        • John F

          Much bigger reason by far is online retailing. There are a few LBO’s here and there, but those deals are done way after a retailer is no longer competitive.

          The people losing their jobs are buying half their stuff on Amazon or similar online retailers.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Yes and no. Profit margins would have gone down, but those Wall Street bastards destroyed the semi-functioning retail sector especially if their buyout was pre-2008 bust.

            From some of the Wolf Street articles I’ve read over the past two years.

          • willbest

            online is still only like 10% of all retail sales. That is a recession, not a depression. Companies like Walmart and Target navigated it just fine, as did the upscale stores. Its that soft middle that is fighting for a rapidly shrinking market segment.

            The middle value brand just doesn’t matter to people. They are being pushed one way or the other.

          • John F

            This argument could go on forever but one of the reasons WalMart has done “just fine” is that they have transitioned into the grocery business. WalMart is now the largest grocery seller, by far, in the United States with sales well north of $125 billion. They have done OK in online retailing but grocery is the primary reason they have held serve.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            The shopping experience at a new Super Wal-Mart with a huge grocery section is so much better than at the old stores or even a Target with a grocery section.

        • SC Dave

          Whatever… blame the emancipation of stock trading.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Still 2 Sears and 1 KMart in Tucson but, I gotta figure the clock is ticking.

        Sears-Canada shut completely down last year.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Sears would still be alive if they had figured out how to get rid of that Old Mall Smell from most of their stores.

      • SC Dave

        Run the gamut, will.

        Sorry… a pet peeve. Gambits are for chess

  • Juan Stone

    Cam who? He he

  • Doc Hamstring

    Here’s my hunch, professionally, without seeing Cam post-op:

    I think the knee isn’t fully rehabbed. ACL & MCL tears at the same time pose some complications. The MCL tear puts more stress on the ACL graft, introduces instability to the knee, and ends up slowing down rehab. You see a much slower progression in flexion, and not just because more surgical work was done in the joint.

    So my guess is that the Bears are looking at a knee that won’t be ready for prime time for a couple more months. They were willing to bet a couple million on him coming back and contributing, but they weren’t willing to go higher than that on a multi-year deal when he might not even be ready for training camp. A one year “prove it” deal with the tag would make more sense, but again, they don’t know if he’s going to actually recover in time to prove anything.

    I really think his knee is not progressing fast enough where the Bears were ready to commit big bucks and/or long-term. I think Jefe is right; the Saints are closer to the big game, and think they can take a risk here and there. And/or their team docs are more sanguine about the knee.

    And/or maybe the Saints want Cam to run different routes than the Bears do. Will Cam be able to cut hard and explode out of cuts? With that knee, it’s less likely he’ll be ready to do that sooner instead of later. Maybe the Saints want him to stretch the field instead, and not do hard cuts; he’ll be able to stride and run straight-line a lot sooner than he’ll be able to cut on a dime.

    In any case, unless anyone qualified gets a close look at his knee, I think we can’t know whether Pace screwed the pooch, made a smart call, or just hedged his bets because the knee is still a work in progress.

    • Juan Stone

      Oh brudda. My professional opinion? Trust me, you don’t wanna know. Hee hee

      • SC Dave

        What qualifications do you possess?

        • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

          He’s well versed in the Three Stooges vernacular and possesses the world’s second largest tinfoil hat collection. It’s second only to Irish’s. And that, my friend, is plenty to go on. That wins you a cocktail party.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No, it just ensures that there ARE no cocktail parties.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Well that sucks.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Thank you.

      But the gut emotional reaction for fans like me is realizing that a guy we like and who was better (Cam) is getting more of a chance than Kevin White.

      I imagine if the knee is not fully healing than he will fail the Saints physical. But if he gets through pre-season with the Saints, who knows?

      • Bear Instincts

        Has he not already pass the Saints physical since they offered him a contract?

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          maybe. I don’t know the timeline with these things.

        • Doc Hamstring

          I don’t know how physicals work when you offer a guy a contract and he’s still injured. I don’t know if his Saints contract is conditioned on him passing some non-knee physical, or takes into account his injury, or if he’s just supposed to pass a physical at some point in the future.

          But I’m very doubtful his knee is NFL ready now. I’m basing that doubt both on the degree of the injury he’s reported to have suffered, and the fact that the Bears weren’t willing to open up Ginny’s purse for him.

    • BenderMcLugh

      Miss ya round here Doc

    • SC Dave

      Damn, that’s some good stuff. Thanks, bro

    • Bear Instincts

      Thank’s Doc. Appreciate the insight.

    • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

      What he said.

    • BerwynBomber

      Excellent information as always but you are missing crucial third option when you write the following:

      “They [the Bears] were willing to bet a couple million on him coming back and contributing, but they weren’t willing to go higher than that on a multi-year deal when he might not even be ready for training camp.”

      Many of us aren’t objecting to the Bears failing to match the Saints’ offer.

      What we are objecting to is that for a measly $1M extra we could have had him on a one year prove-it deal that would have totaled less than 3M.

      Basically, Pace slapped the wrong tender tag on him.

      • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

        I think he’s saying the one year prove it deal is likely a waste because he won’t be ready until the following season to prove it.

        • BerwynBomber

          Hah! I didn’t read he might not be ready for training camp as not ready until 2019 season. But I suspect at this point you’re just trolling on this issue.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Not so much here.

            From Doc up top: “ think the knee isn’t fully rehabbed. ACL & MCL tears at the same time pose some complications. The MCL tear puts more stress on the ACL graft, introduces instability to the knee, and ends up slowing down rehab. You see a much slower progression in flexion, and not just because more surgical work was done in the joint.

            So my guess is that the Bears are looking at a knee that won’t be ready for prime time for a couple more months. They were willing to bet a couple million on him coming back and contributing, but they weren’t willing to go higher than that on a multi-year deal when he might not even be ready for training camp. A one year “prove it” deal with the tag would make more sense, but again, they don’t know if he’s going to actually recover in time to prove anything.”

            And: “And/or maybe the Saints want Cam to run different routes than the Bears do. Will Cam be able to cut hard and explode out of cuts? With that knee, it’s less likely he’ll be ready to do that sooner instead of later. Maybe the Saints want him to stretch the field instead, and not do hard cuts; he’ll be able to stride and run straight-line a lot sooner than he’ll be able to cut on a dime.”

            It sounds, according to Doc at least, that he might not be able to utilize his knee like he should be able to this season, or at least for part of it. That’s a bad foindation for a prove it deal.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Exactly.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yah. I loved Cam from day one when he flashed in pre-season. He was a baller. Bordering on great – he is still a young man – it’s a real shame. But I’m assuming (heh) that Pace has talked with the doctors and done his sums and looked at the clock and said “nah” … I’ll draft Tate or Brown for the big guy target. Not tendering him … I dunno … do the Saints bother taking him with a 2nd round price tag on him?

        Pace isn’t clean. He’ll usually do the right thing but just fuck it up a little. That’s not a good trait in a successful GM.

        And I’ve just watched Draft Day again, so I know what greatness looks like :o)

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Am I one of the few that loves Draft Day? I’ve seen it 3 times. I love Costner movies.

          Even Waterworld.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Waterworld? Holy shit. This changes everything.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Well as long as I wasn’t responsible for paying for making it.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I’d prefer The Postman for Costner movies people hate.

      • Doc Hamstring

        I might be applying too much “common sense” here. I’m saying his knee is so much a mystery that no one can tell at this point if he’ll fully recover, let alone when. Pace was taking a risk with the tender he made, but felt like the price tag on the one-year deal was just too much.

        OR here’s another explanation: Pace doesn’t know if Cam’s knee will be ready for him to perform at an NFL level this season. Giving him a one-year deal while Cam largely sits out, and then when he’s healed up they go through this whole rigamarole again, doesn’t compute for PaceBot. He’d rather have Cam at a cheaper price on a longer deal, or not at all.

        Again, Cam’s knee is not healed. He’s eight months off a catastrophic injury. Everyone points to AP and says, “look, ACLs can heal fast and well!” and they forget that AP’s injury wasn’t nearly as bad as Cam’s, and AP had a freakishly uncommon recovery.

        Anyone remember Colombo and how long his knee took to heal? It took him a couple years before he was good to go again, and that was too long for the Bears to wait.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Hmmm…. How do we know you are a real doctor or just someone that stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        WHAT IS YOUR IHG REWARDS NUMBER FOR US BEARS SCHMUCKS TO VERIFY!?

      • Doc Hamstring

        I got my PhD before I got my BS (and later MS) in kinesiology. I kind of accumulate degrees, but I work as a sports injury rehab specialist/consultant. Mostly with runners to fix/improve their stride mechanics.

  • BenderMcLugh

    Hey Doc, what’s your take on White right now?

    • SC Dave

      Of course, I’m not Doc, but in the DBB poll, I’m answering ‘bust ‘

      • BenderMcLugh

        Hahaha

      • BenderMcLugh

        This is fun. I’m still having fun

    • Irish Sweetness

      Where’s Doc at?

      • CanadaBear

        Different Doc.

    • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

      Doc: “In 20 fewer games, he’s only 4 TDs behind Cam Meredith. The rest is wait and see.”

    • Doc Hamstring

      White? I’ve seen some of his social media posts/pictures. The guy is sculpted and an athletic freak.

      He’s had idiopathic injuries. The shin splints that developed into stress fracture were likely a result of over-training and a pro athlete’s tendency to fight through pain. With good medical care, rehab, and basic adjustments to a training regimen, there is NO reason to suspect long-term disability or recurrence of the injury. In other words, it was an out-of-the-blue freak injury based on no history, and while it sucked, shouldn’t ever happen again.

      The spiral fracture of the fib is another freak injury, but one with a definite mechanism and cause. To reduce it to brass tacks, his fibula gave out before his ankle did. It could have been a gruesome injury, and in a way a spiral fracture IS gruesome, but it it wasn’t as bad as it could have been. He plants differently, or the guy tackling him is exerting force higher up on the leg, and you’re looking at Joe Theismann 2.0.

      The scapula fracture surprises me, because I would think shoulder pads would have protected him.

      There is no commonality to his injuries. He doesn’t have “brittle bones” or any of the other crap I’ve seen people throw out. He has no history with injuries to the body parts he’s injured as a pro, and you can’t say “he’s injury prone” if there’s no history of injuries to those body parts — that’s not how the body works.

      He’s just had bad luck.

      If anything, he might be too strong. Muscles get stronger easily. Bones get denser/stronger under load, which means stronger muscles lead to stronger bones. Tendons thicken with muscle growth, but tendons lag far behind muscle growth, and don’t scale up to nearly the degree muscles do (which is a big reason why guys are tearing pecs and triceps a lot more in this day and age than in the past). Ligaments, however, don’t get stronger/thicker. And it isn’t uncommon for muscle gains to actually decrease the flexibility and tighten up ligaments (in a bad way).

      Lower legs, ankles, and wrists are particularly vulnerable to ligament damage, because there’s less muscle there to stabilize the joint. Urlacher is/was a physical freak, but his strength didn’t do a lick a good at preventing him from a bad wrist injury. I’d say White has the same “problem”: his muscles are strong, enabling him to push his body a lot harder than even most NFL players, but his ligaments (and their attachment points) aren’t any stronger than anyone else’s. His bones might be denser, but they’re being subjected to greater loads. It’s not a weakness. It’s just a consequence of being bigger, faster, stronger.

      So my take? He’s had bad luck. So, flip a coin 10 times, and it comes up heads all 10. Do you think White is going to come up tails in 2018? Or do you think he comes up heads again?

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