Super Bowl 52: Four Thoughts & Game Prediction

| February 2nd, 2018

  • Nobody on earth could convince me Carson Wentz wants the Eagles to win this game. How could he? He’s a human being with human emotions. If Nick Foles wins the first Super Bowl in Eagles history, what does Wentz do to follow that? He could win 12 games a year for the next five seasons but without the ring, he’ll never reach the historical level of Foles in Philadelphia. When Jeff Hostetler beat the Bills, Phil Simms had already won a title for the Giants and established them as his team. Wentz has established his potential. Foles can establish his legacy.
  • Is there a dumber debate than Tom Brady vs. Michael Jordan; currently being argued on every conceivable sports media platform? Here’s my answer: Brady would beat Jordan at playing quarterback but Jordan would destroy Brady at basketball. (Pete Weber would kick the shit out of both of them at the local lanes.)

  • Rob Gronkowski’s line: 8 catches, 157 yards, 2 touchdowns. Why? Because when the Patriots get in tough spots against tough defenses they overly rely on Gronk to simply manhandle whomever is asked to cover him. That will happen Sunday.
  • This year has been bizarre…and bad. And that kind of year deserves the phrase “Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles”.

Philadelphia Eagles 26

New England Patriots 24

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  • SC Dave

    That last bullet would suit me just fine.

  • KentuckyBearsFan


    I would just like a Super Bowl where the Eagles don’t completely crap the bed at the beginning of the game like the Carolina Panthers.

    A win would be novel.

    • BearDown100393

      Over/under Foles throwing up on the field with 2 minutes to go?

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I’ll take the under…if the med staff gives him dramamine.

  • BearDown100393

    I hate the Patriots.
    I hate the Eagles.
    And I hate Minnesota.
    May this be the worst SB of all-time.

  • CanadaBear

    I hope the Pats get beat in the final seconds.

    • BearDown100393

      on a safety

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I hope they get BLOWN out.

      • CanadaBear

        I agree but that seems really unlikely unless they steam roll Brady early and get him out of there.

        • Teams that can pressure Brady up the middle have a chance. I think PHI can do that.

          But I also think that, with 2 weeks to prepare, NE D is going to make life very difficult on Nick Foles and that offense. They’re going to take the running game away and make Foles beat them.

          I see this is as pretty close and low scoring, but NE comes out on top. They always seem to have big 4th quarters.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yup. My scenario too. Foles doesn’t do much but Iggles D keeps them in the game and then Brady (or Gostowski) wins it at the end.

          • And Cox has been playing like a man possessed. He’s like T. Harris. Simply unblockable right now.

            For that reason I expect a lot of those quick screens and illegal picks to get the Ball out of Brady’s hands.

            The only question is – who wins? Does Brady complete enough of those to extend drives and gas out that pass rush? Or does the pass rush hit Brady and make him uncomfortable enough?

          • John F

            “Does Brady complete enough of those to extend drives and gas out that
            pass rush? Or does the pass rush hit Brady and make him uncomfortable

            Answer: the first one ………….

          • Just keep saying the Iggles will get blown out so they have a chance!

            This is the time when the Eagles should send in their 4rth string gunner on a disguised blitz and “sweep the leg”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Always helps when you get ONE flag thrown against you all day, too.

        • SC Dave

          Atlanta should have blown them out last year, except for the worst coaching in sports history.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            You should narrow that a bit to worst coaching in Super Bowl history. Don’t forget we had Nessman…

          • SC Dave

            Fair statement

          • And this year’s Philly team is built a lot like them

            Platoon running backs who are explosive. An aggressive swarming D that is opportunistic.

            A hot HC/OC who seems to exploit the right matchups.

            The wild card is Foles.

            Backup QBs have good runs, but eventually they turn back into pumpkins like Keenum did vs Philly.

          • SC Dave

            Foles, on the surface, << Ryan

        • AlbertInTucson

          Gotta figure the Patriots will do a LOT of no huddle to keep the Eagles out of their deep d line rotation.

  • CanadaBear

    Gotta love Erin having his nose out of joint about the QB coach getting fired “without consulting me”. When his career is over I’m guessing someone will go on record about him being such a tool.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Not that Erin is not a tool, but I think he has a point. It is the QB coach, so it is someone he has to work with on a daily basis. According to Jahns the Bears talked to Trubs before keeping Ragone as the QB coach

      Adam Jahns‏Verified account @adamjahns
      Meanwhile, the #Bears kept Dave Ragone for Mitch Trubisky after interviewing very qualified replacements but also talking with Trubisky.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s a fair point but Erin comes off as so childish in this exchange. It’s always all about him. I get that up to a point (since it really is all about him when it comes to winning) but it’s just such a bad look. Beyond selfish.

        • willbest

          That is because it is childish. There could have been any number of reasons to fire the guy that have nothing to do with Rodgers. Now if they hired a guy without getting him on board, that is an entirely different scenario.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          I agree. Suppose the new guy is better? Who gives a shit if they’re buddies? I feel the same way about the Ragone retention. I’m not sure Mitch should be weighing in on that.

          • willbest

            I want Trubisky’s verbal assurances that he is willing to work with his coach and that the time to express his reservations is now and if he has a complaint before 2019 its tough shit

          • BenderMcLugh

            you lawyers and your prenups….. I keed I keed

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)


            “Mitchell, I’m going to need some assurances here. And I’ll not have any bitching heretofore. So you had better do your due diligence now. Then sign here, stating that you, Mitchell Trubisky, do in fact approve of said coaching re-hire. Please also sign this document just stating you are in fact Mitchell Trubisky. And then this one saying that you feel safe at home and no one is coercing you to sign this…….”

            Now let’s play some ball.

          • leftcoastdave

            You forgot “and you have been given the opportunity for independent legal counsel prior to the signing of this agreement and hereby waive that right. Initial here:_________”

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            You see? We do need the legal Eagles after all.

          • BenderMcLugh

            we see what you did there

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            When it comes to the position coach of your “franchise” player, I have no problem letting them weigh in. However it should be the HC and GMs final decision. The players input should not be the end all be all in the decision, just a factor. There is some importance to stability also. It does not help to be switching coaches up constantly.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Stability is only worth something if the guy is any good. People wrote the same thing as a case to keep JWebb. Do we know if Ragone is any good? Mitch needs the best coach he can get. And I don’t like the thought of any stink lingering from last year’s crew. I’m sure they could find a number of candidates Trubisky is comfortable.

            I guess none of it matters anyway. It’s a done deal. I just hope it was the right play here.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            ‘stink lingering’ – Should we have not kept Fangio?
            They did interview several coaches for the position and they decided to stay with Ragone. With what we have heard about Pace’s research and what we have seen with Nagy putting together the rest of his staff, I am okay with it.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            No. Fangio is fine. The D was good. The offense was not.

            I’m very supportive of Pace and love the Nagy hire. I’m just not sure we want a guy back that wasn’t able to help Mitch with the things that everybody saw as his flaws. Happy feet, not climbing the pocket, balls sailing on a few throws due to breakdowns in fundamental mechanics, etc. Normally, I wouldn’t worry for a second about a QB coach. But he’s a critical piece to Mitch’s growth. And it felt like he came up a bit short last year.

          • CanadaBear

            MT improved throughout those 12 games. He definitely has a few rough spots to sand down but he went from going sideways in the pocket to stepping up and did a nice job of working through his progressions by the end of the season.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            What’s wrong with you CBear? I don’t think it is allowed to point out anything positive when it comes to any Bears QB. There is always something wrong with them that we should be focusing on instead.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s a new day! Other than the year Gase was OC I don’t remember Cutler ever improving from the time he arrived to the time he left. Granted, he was way further along than MT when he arrived in Chicago, but he pretty much was frozen in time during his tenure in Chicago.

          • Cutler was amazingly consistent, for better or worse.

            He could escape the pocket and sling it 50 yds into a window no bigger than a fan from day 1

            He also did that backpeddling INT ball 10 yrs later.


          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            LOL. Don’t you hang that on me.

            I’m all in on Trubisky. I just don’t know if the Ragone hire is the best choice to capitalize on all of his tools. I’m not saying I have the answer. I’m literally saying I don’t know. I just would feel better if none of the pieces of the Fox/Loggains offense were left in the building.

          • His footwork still looked inconsistent by the end of year.

            I know it’s not an overnight process, but I was hoping for a lil more growth.

            That being said, we have to consider the Fox Fuck Up Factor.

            It’s like driving around with a banana in the muffler.

            Hopefully, now that he’s gone, the car will actually run smoothly.

          • “But he’s a critical piece to Mitch’s growth. And it felt like he came up a bit short last year”

            Agree. And as Flip has shown in Philly, QB coaches matter.

            And these are Trub’s “formative years”.

            We don’t want him to pick up subpar habits he has to deconstruct when a new regime sweeps in.

            That rarely works. Habits and mechanics are imprinted into a QBs DNA before they’re 25 IMO.

          • leftcoastdave

            If Nagy signed off on the guy and the Biscuit is good with him, I cannot but believe it was a great move. Biscuit learned how to be an NFL style drop back passer this last year. Now it’s back to the future in a scheme more like what he ran in college, but against vastly superior defenses.

          • Exactly. Consistency for its own sake rarely works.

            Also, some players need more drill Sergent types to maximize their potential, and they’re not going to be exactly buddy buddy.

            I don’t know if Ragone is any good, but I do know that Bisquit was working on footwork hard since PS, and by the end of the season, I didn’t see much of an improvement in that dept.

            That’s just my amateur eye test though.

            That being said, we’re pretty much all-in on Pace and Nagy. If they’re good, then their judgment should be sound. If not, QB coach is the least of our worries.

        • BearDown100393

          Erin never really had mature cred in the first place. His initial encounter with Favre was comparing Wunderlich test scores. Lame.

        • BerwynBomber

          Meh. For as much as the guy does for them, I’m half-amazed he keeps his mouth shut as well as he does. If anything I’d give him props for selflessness.

          Dude carries that franchise.

          • CanadaBear

            I agree up to a point but he relishes his rep as a one-man band and usually makes sure everyone knows he is.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            There is a Rodgers is gay joke in response to your comment, but I am too tired to think of it right now.

        • That Guy

          Also, how much QB coaching security blanket does Rodgers need?

          Then again, he’s one of the best ever, so why would you not consult him?

          I’m torn.

      • This seems like one of those “if ain’t broke” deals.

        Vadger’s QB coach helped him become the best QB in the league and dragging that sorry franchise to playoffs.

        Why fuck that up?

        Maybe they’re pissed at the QB coach for not turning Hundley into Brett Favre or something.

    • BearDown100393

      Erin is learning the life of old Brett now.

      Erin’s attitude (not surprising here for sure) is not the real issue however.

      Why wouldn’t Green Bay in the very least give its all everything (and really nothing else) super star a “heads up” on the change?

      The Bears would be ridiculed for such a management move.

      I’m feeling better about Pacebot far more these days. Especially with GB revealing itself as a clown car circus more and more.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m thinking Rodgers has A LOT to have his nose out of joint when it comes to the Cheese.

      And he seems to make it less about him than the Cheese rely on him.

      Were I his agent I would advise him to GTFO of there.

    • UCF Bears Fan

      QB coach didn’t really get fired. He decided not to sign a new contract because he was going after a OC position. Didn’t get one and went somewhere else. If Erin likes him that much, he should follow him.

      • BerwynBomber

        To Cincy? He’d probably have a better shot at a ring.

        Given all his faults, Marvin Lewis, IMO, is still a better HC than McCarthy.

  • willbest

    So F1 is getting rid of Grid Girls. Grid Girls are the G rated versions of Instagram attention whores.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis


    • BearDown100393

      The PGA will sign them.

  • leftcoastdave

    Eric Lambert asks the question of whether the Bears would trade Howard Jordan while acknowledging that to most the mere suggestion would be heretical. For a team with Walter Payton and the Galloping Gale Sayres as icons, the fan base would no doubt go ape doo doo.

    But the question is, and should be, what value does he have in trade vs. what value he provides for the team in the new offensive scheme which will need its backs to be able to catch on a consistent basis.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Jordan Howard. What he did playing through that shoulder injury early in the season was awesome – truly inspirational for the rest of his teammates. But would a trade away from Chicago be such a bad thing for him and could da Bears get better value by trading him now, given his impeccable character and his on field performance of the last two years?


    • BearDown100393

      The Bears have so many positional issues to fill (although the roster is seemingly improving over time) why create a RB deficiency that just adds another item to the GM grocery list? Cohen should not be expected to handle the entire load and another player would need to be drafted/signed to fill the Howard gap. The situation would be different if the roster was complete and there was a plethora of depth at RB. There simply is not.

    • SC Dave

      Jordan Howard is the Bears best offensive player. IMO, you simply don’t trade your best player.

      Unless his name is Herschel Walker.

      • leftcoastdave

        I agree that for the last two seasons Jordan Howard has been da Bears best offensive weapon. I also believe that for da Bears to get to the playoffs, that that is unlikely to again be the case, given the nature of the game and the changes being implemented.

      • evantonio

        If we can get that Walker haul, we trade him in a heartbeat.

        • SC Dave

          Of course, but that will never happen again. Not even for a QB.

    • CanadaBear

      I thought Howard improved his pass catching as the season progressed. By the end of the season he didn’t have a drop in the last few games. He might not be a natural in the passing game but he’s far from a liability. No way I’d trade Howard unless some team is blowing you away with an offer and that seems unlikely.

    • evantonio

      Just read it. I don’t think his stone hands are a reason to trade him, even if we’re moving to a spread/WCO. As Data’s posted before, Howard had much better success running from shotgun than when QB is under center. If that trend holds up, and if our O really does evolve, it stands to reason he’ll be an even better runner this season and we won’t need him to be a Roger Craig/Matt Forte pass-catching RB because we’ll (hopefully) have a multitude of other weapons in the pass game.

      And it’s not like we’ll be predictable. If we’re in shotgun, maybe we’ll run or maybe we’ll pass. WHO KNOWS.

    • People who are telling you Howard should be shopped because he doesn’t fit this new offense are people who are telling you not to pay attention to them moving forward.

      He is a better fit for this new offense than the old one they had. Spread the D out and let him get a head of steam before facing smaller defenders instead of running into 8 man boxes that hit him before he can get going. That’s where Howard is at his best.

      • With that said, I also think Howard’s playing style is one that will not age well, so I am fully on board the “move on from Howard after his rookie deal is up instead of paying him big money for diminishing returns” train.

        But his combined cap hit the next 2 years is just under $1.5M. Don’t trade him.

      • Ds will stop stacking the box once Trub proves he can be more accurate and not get rattled by blitzes. Little to do with scheme since I doubt Nagy is going to trout out 4 WRs considering we don’t even have ONE.

    • I wondered this right away.

      Name one Andy Reid RB who can’t catch.

      I can’t think of one, going all the way back to Westrbrook.

      Howard is the polar opposite of a WCO. He’s a one-cut zone blocking RB. Perfect for a Shanny-bootleg type O (which we kinda had), but WCO demands RBs who can catch.

      It’s all about flexibility in the passing attack in the WCO, and the RB is seen as an extension of that.

      When Howard is out there, that will dramatically limit the O.

      That’s why he was taken out of the 2min drill altogether in favor for a rook and garbage heap FA.

      And the future O might look a lot like 2 min drills.

      It also might hurt Trub if he is ever allowed to audible.

      If he sees a mismatch with the RB, he won’t be able to audible to say a wheel route, etc cuz Howard is not beating ANY LB one on one in a pass pattern.

      That’s disadvantageous

      However, Howard should be fine in the RPO. He did better than expected taking the ball from a shotgun formation (some HBs struggle at this, even AP in his prime) and he’s used to a high tempo O from college.

      But I expect this O will be 80% WCO with some RPO and other stuff mixed in, but mostly WCO.

      That would make Howard a bit of an odd duck.

      Good HC/OCs find a way to use the talent, but if we stick with these HBs I expect a heavier rotation of Cohen and Benny like the Eagles have going with Ajayi and gang.

      However, I could totally see Nagy saying “I just need me a Hunt” to open up our O.

      • SC Dave

        “Good HC/OCs find a way to use the talent”

        Kinda says it all.

        • They do, but as we all know, some HCs want THEIR guys for THEIR schemes (Martz/Olsen).

          The fact that Howard is a later rd pick with some trade value could tempt them.

          WCO relies heavily on HBs catches.

          Shit, Forte still holds the record for it under Trestman – 100+

          Howard is not lining up in the slot any time soon.

    • SC Dave

      Oh, and i ask again, is lambert family or something?

  • BerwynBomber

    The Hostetler/Simms thing was a little different in that Hostetler was younger and arguably better.

    Foles ain’t younger and no way better than Wentz.

    • leftcoastdave

      I’m with you on that. And I think El Jeffe underestimates the character of Wentz and the stature he has developed with the team. They are a tight group and I am happy to be cheering them on against the evil empire and their cadre of enablers wearing striped shirts.

      • BearDown100393

        To suggest Carson Wentz would not support Foles/Eagles in the Super Bowl without a shred of backing evidence is cheap.

    • evantonio

      The Hos had a mustache.

      • Hos giving you stache withdrawals, Evan?

        • evantonio

          if i could wake tomorrow with my 16″ stache, i would.

          but i sure don’t want to go through the growth process again with a toddler who likes to pull on hair.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    Patriots in an old school super bowl blowout.

    • CanadaBear

      I hope you’re wrong Coach.

  • TBC

    This is a really good post.

  • evantonio


    Eye-opening article about what it’s like to like with an ex-NFL player who’s going through cognitive degeneration.

    • I find it amazing that no one in the NFL is going to ass-pounding prison for deliberately concealing the link between concussions and brain damage.

      Because of their criminal denial and attack on studies making the link, MILLIONS of kids were exposed to unnecessary brain damage.

      They might as well have gone around bashing kid’s heads with a bat and got off scotch free.

  • John F

    Pats – 34
    Eagles – 10

    Eagles offense can do nothing with Foles having to pass the whole game, Eagles defense wears out, Pats cruise in the second half.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      Well we all know what your score predictions are worth…..

      Guess I’ll take the Pats in a squeaker.

  • BearDown100393

    “If you’re a Bears fan who just watched Glennon and Trubisky play and you
    still don’t understand how they need to run completely different
    offenses, there’s nothing I can do for you.”

    There is no offense in football designed for Giraffe.

    • ButtonShoes

      And yet Ryan Pace thought one could be designed for him. Just another example of how incompetent our GM is.

  • Malice Halice

    Yea this is most def a Bledsoe/Brady situation for Wentz. If philly wins they have almost an orgasmic off-season situation because they finally won the Super Bowl, but they can EASILY dish out some kinda Hershel Walker trade to any of those QB desperate teams. I’m talkin 1st round off top, 3rd of next year, AAAND bout 2-3 starters just for either 2. Everyone wins, not so Wentz cuz he could be on a new team but he’ll definitely be getting paid tho.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      There’s no scenario where Wentz gets traded.

      And Foles is what he is. Winning Sunday isn’t going to change much in terms of his value. He’s a known commodity.

      • AlbertInTucson

        The idea of Wentz being moved by Philly is laughable.

        • Malice Halice

          Dem philly fans could give 2 F’s about Wentz if Foles come thru n pull a BradyWarner move. This is exactly what happened to both guys n they’re HOF. Philly could get a shit ton in stock for Wentz. It’s possible.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            If the Eagles traded Wentz, those fans would snap off those greased phone poles and insert them in someone’s ass sideways.

          • At least they’d be lubricated

          • BearDown100393

            Oh is Santa Claus in Philly?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Don’t hold your breath waitin’ for that, either.

      • Malice Halice

        Philly will be content will Foles n if they’re smart they’d keep him, n reap benefits off Wentz. Foles will get em a first rounder

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          So they’re keeping Foles but also getting a First rounder out of him?

        • AlbertInTucson

          “…first rounder..

          Don’t hold your breath.

      • “He’s a known commodity”

        Ahhh…that’s what teams with a QB will say. But need might make a GM re-think, “hmmm…maybe Foles finally turned the corner”

        We all know how that goes.

        Flacco cashed in on a SB win and hasn’t done shit since.

    • John F

      Foles isn’t going to be worth much after he falls on his face this Sunday.

    • BearDown100393

      Unless the Eagles hire Phil Emery as their GM, Carson Wentz will not be traded.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Nobody on earth could convince me Carson Wentz wants the Eagles to win this game. How could he? He’s a human being with human emotions.”


    Insulting assumption.

    • BearDown100393

      Yeah it is stupid and probably the booze twatting.

      • AlbertInTucson

        What is it going to cost Carson Wentz if the Eagles win it?

        Like, he’s not going to be their QB next season?

        Or, he had NOTHING to do with how far they’ve gotten THIS season?

        • BearDown100393

          Carson Wentz is not going to lose his job.

          And there is nothing to suggest that he would not want his team to succeed.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Help Wanted: Editor.

            Someone to say, “No Jeff, unless you have some concrete evidence to support your ASSUMPTION, Let’s NOT assassinate Carson Wentz’ character.”

          • BearDown100393

            Jeff should unfollow the POTUS handle for a bit. Seems to have left an impression.

    • BerwynBomber

      Might be eight years of Cutler fandom talking there.

    • Malice Halice

      You need to expand your mind. This league is all about what have u gone for me lately. Wentz won some games yea but he broke down when it matters. Foles came thru n delivered every time just like Keenum. No QB has EVER survived the back-up outplaying then for da season let alone THE PLAYOFFS (except Brady/Cassel) you’d have to be an idiot to think your position is safe if the backup picked up from where u left off n then won the SB.

      • SC Dave

        Oh gawd. Just stop.

      • BearDown100393

        Wentz is safe with the Eagles.

        And being called an idiot is old hat.

      • BenderMcLugh

        “Broke down”. Foles takes the same hit and he’s out his career, come on now

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Expand your mind’.

        No, I don’t.

        Wentz is younger, cheaper and, oh yeah, a better than Foles.

        If he doesn’t does crash and burn Sunday, Nick will be seeking employment elsewhere next season as a starter.

        • leftcoastdave

          Carson Wentz is a class act and the Eagles have a very tight knit group. Don’t be disrespecting him with such silliness over whether or not he wants Foles to win a Super Bowl.

          That notion that he does not could only be suggested by a short person.

          • SC Dave

            Short in a way other than stature, to clarify.

  • That Guy

    I want Fletcher Cox to be the SB MVP.

    Just so everyone can say on-air: the Eagles were led to victory by their big man Cox

    • prediction. Cox will be their real MVP, but the NFL will give it to Foles anyways cuz he’s a QB.

      But little talked about is what Pats do on O. They have the same philo as on D.

      Nullfiy biggest threat. On D, that’s Cox, so I expect a lot of double-teams forcing Eagles to beat them with someone else.

      But Cox is on one of those crazy runs where he’s beating double teams like nothing.

      Tommie Harris and Peppers in their primes were like that, and that wreaked havoc and allowed the rest of the D to ball.

      • BearDown100393

        The NFL will make history and name a field official the SB MVP.

        • leftcoastdave

          Or if the Pats win, be honest and give it to the zebras.

          • BearDown100393

            Kraft will have a small flag on the ring.

          • SC Dave

            My great fear is that is EXACTLY the result.

  • This sorta reminds me of the yr the Pats won 10 games with Cassell.

    If they had made the playoffs that yr, would Bill have made it to the SB with Casell?

    Maybe we’re witnessing the emergence of the next Bill in Pederson.

    Wentz looked like a beast before going down. Foles is playing like Casell in his absence.

    Maybe this is the year ppl realize it’s not a QB but rather an HC league.

    When guys like Bortles, Foles, Keenum go deep into the playoffs, the jig is up.

    • willbest

      They won 11 games that year though I don’t recall if Cassell took over in week 1 or 2.

    • BerwynBomber

      Hmmmm … interesting debate.

      But not sure I buy your last line. All three of those guys had tremendous Ds or at least very good Ds to help them. Keenum also played out of his ass, and Foles only had to perform for a few weeks. (If Nick Foles starts for PHI W1 do they end up in the SB? I have my doubts.)

      But comes back to the Belichick or Brady debate. I would take Belichick (we should also remember that Belichick functions as de facto GM as if he needed the extra credit).

      But Belichick is the exception. Rodgers or McCarthy? (Rodgers in a landslide.) Brees or Payton? (Brees). Wilson or Carroll? (Wilson but closer than the other two).

      But those are 1st ballot HoF QBs. Once you get into the B-level franchise QBs I would probably take the HC over the QB. Cam or Chico? (Chico). Ryan or Quinn? (Quinn) Smith or Reid? (Reid)

      This is why I say, for now, that Nagy was the most important move Pace made during his tenure, even more so than the move to get Bisky.

      • Well, just look at Fisher coaching. He stunted Keenum, Foles and Goff.

        Goff looked like a total bust.

        Only 1 yr later, Goff goes from bust to franchise.

        That’s a lot of ground covered just in 1yr mostly due to a new HC/OC.

        If Fisher stuck, Goff looks like another Bortles. Of this I have no doubt.

        • BearDown100393

          At best Goff is another Bortles with Fisher. Perhaps worse.

        • BerwynBomber

          Right, I would agree with you more than I would not.

          I’m only saying that once you get to the truly elite NFL QBs (and I think there are only four or five in the entire league) then I would take the QB over the HC. Belichick being the exception.

          Or put it another way if you have your choice between a in-their-prime Brady, Brees or Rodgers vs. any HC in the league not named Belichick whom would you pick first.

          I made a joke earlier in the day about Rodgers following his QB coach to Cincy would arguably give him a better shot of getting a second ring in GB.

          But it made me think. Imagine if Marvin Lewis, whom I don’t consider a great HC, had been in GB all the years that McCarthy had. Would GB had been more dangerous and successful than they were? I lean yes.

          Just as we often joked about what we would have accomplished had Rodgers QBed us during the Lovie years when our Ds and STs were badass.

          • Kant was not only a great philosopher, but great teacher. And I always remember one of his quotes “The teacher should focus on the average student. The poor are beyond help, and the great help themselves.”

            I think this can apply to the NFL.

            Most 1st rd QBs are avg (hence, not exceptional or poor).

            Given proper guidance, they can squeeze the most out of it.
            Given the wrong guidance, bustville.

            Very few QBs are likely gonna be great no matter what. Brady, Vadgers, Brees types (and even then, they might not be as great without good coaching)

            At the other spectrum, some are beyond redemption (Leaf, PurpleDrank, Tebus) for whatever Shakesperan flaw.

            But this yr I think has almost definitively proved that great coaching trumps great QBs.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Kant was not only a great philosopher, but great teacher.”

            There are those who can and there are those who…Kant.

          • Ha! Tip o the hat for that one, Al.

            OTOH. Newton great mind. Horrible teacher.

            It was reported that by the end of his lectures only like 1 or 2 students were still seated, and probably more out of pity.

            Newton didn’t really care either. Probably figured give him more time to transmute lead into gold.

        • AlbertInTucson

          “He stunted Keenum, Foles and Goff”.

          THAT is quite a legacy for Mr. Fisher.

    • leftcoastdave

      I’d say a system in place. With the O gelling as a unit, even the #2 guy can look pretty good, especially with a top notch D.

      Coming soon to Chicagoland . . . .

  • BearDown100393

    To recap this thread in a nutshell:

    A. Disputing Carson Wentz’s job safety with the Eagles.
    B. Trading Jordan Howard
    C. Cox jokes

    It is going to be a really long offseason around here.

    • willbest

      What should we be talking about?

      • BearDown100393

        Ocean’s Thirteen generating a 70% on Rotten Tomatoes

        • John F

          I heard something about some memo being released, hard to find information about it though …..

          • willbest

            They are making a sequel to Jerry Maguire?

  • John F

    Just read the SB predictions over at the Tribune:


    Four of the six picked the Eagles?!?! Must be something in the water over there ………

    • ButtonShoes

      They just don’t want the Pats to win. So they pick the Eagles.

  • SC Dave

    “Brian was such a unique player,” [Jason] Witten told chicagobears.com. “People probably don’t give him enough credit because there was so much talk about the system. But in a lot of ways he really made that system. With Cover-2, he could stretch the field, but he could also come up and make the tackle.

    “It’s been hard to see somebody duplicate what he did. Smart, intelligent, big, strong, fast, athletic. But really the most important thing I felt about him was he raised everybody else’s game around him by the way he played, and that’s the ultimate sign of a great player.”

    • Urlacher was truly great. Even now in this day and age of athletic freaks, there’s no MLB who could do what he did. A 6’4 255 LB who played like a S.

      His knowledge I think went under rated. Him and Rodgers would play cat and mouse pre-snap.

      I bet if you were to ask Rodgers, he’d probably say Urlacher was the smartest LB he played against, nevermind the athleticism.

      Kinda goes under the radar like with Samurai Mike

      Urlacher also lamented on more than one occasion that he wished he could play in a different system because he too likes going down hill and smacking runners, but the system made him cover that seam first, which he all but took away from any TE.

      I would’ve loved to have seen Gronk trying to catch against that D with Lach patrolling in his prime.

      • SC Dave

        Definite upvote on that last sentence.That would have been something to see.

    • BearDown100393

      Urlacher belongs on the same mountain as Butkus, Payton and Sayers.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        But near that mountain – maybe in the next zip code – there is a hill with Grossman, Cutler, Harbaugh, and Kramer.

        And then at the nearest Superfund site next to that hill, you will find a dumpster fire dedicated to Mike Glennon, Connor Barth, Cade McNown, and Chad Hutchinson.

        • The next zip code is Forte, Peanut, Neal Anderson…

          Cutler and Grossman are waaaaay over there 3 zipcodes away where bums give handjobs for change.

  • willbest

    I don’t know what the hell Butch is talking about. There is no nepotism in the NFL

    “The Groh family has to draw battle lines in #SBLII. #Eagles WR coach Mike Groh, a former #Bears assistant, is the older brother of #Patriots regional scout Matt Groh, who covers the Southeast for New England. Their father, of course, is Al Groh, a former Belichick assistant.” – Biggsy

    • Don’t forget David Grohl, lead singer of the Foo Fighters, who is also a regional scout.

      • AlbertInTucson

        David Groh.

        Rhoda’s husband on RHODA.

        Also a creepy judge and a creep ire psychiatrist on the original LAW AND ORDER.

  • Sactowns#1

    If I dont talk to you fellas this weekend, I hope you all have a great Super Bowl Sunday. Dont do too much damage to your livers fellas and take it easy on the chicken wings. You’ll thank yourself the next day.

    • John F

      Chicken wings will damage your liver?!?!

      • Marinated overnight in jungle juice.

      • Sactowns#1

        Nah but they’ll damage your butthole. Drinking = headache. Chicken wings = bootyache

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  • leftcoastdave

    Gotta love all of the positives being written about Nagy and his staff. This from Marcus Mariota:


    • Pace is diabolical.
      He wanted Mariotta, but the draft capital was too much

      So, hire Helfrich, wait for Trub to bust, then sign Mariotta when he hits FA.


      • BearDown100393


      • leftcoastdave

        It really does look like the creator had a master plan. Taking Biscuit, Cohen and Shaheen all to fit into this style and using last season to train them up? Brilliant.

        • That Guy

          This coaching staff and the young talent are either going to be dynamite and blow up the league…

          Or it’ll crash and burn worse than Captain Cryptkeeper

          • SC Dave

            At least they’re all in.

            “If we want to be great, you just can’t sit on your hands” – Ryan Pace

  • “Okay, @netflix.Explain what algorithm determined that because I watched Godfather Part
    II…I’d be interested in Ocean’s 13. Was I trying to watch both the best and worst films ever made in one day?” Jeff

    Worst film ever made…hmmm…I tried to make it through Darkman 2 and Tremors 3…couldn’t do it.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Al Pacino – mob – casino – crime

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        And come on….there are better films than Ocean’s 13!

        Like this one:

        “Ocean’s 8”

        “A female-centric spin-off of the Ocean’s Trilogy films, directed by Gary Ross, titled Ocean’s 8. Sandra Bullock will star as Debbie Ocean, Danny Ocean’s sister. Cate Blanchett, Helena Bonham Carter, Anne Hathaway, Rihanna Fenty, Sarah Paulson, Mindy Kaling, and Nora “Awkwafina” Lum are all scheduled to star as the team who will all take part in a heist in New York City. Matt Damon is also set to return to the franchise in his role as Linus Caldwell.”


        • will flop like Female Ghostbusters.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I didn’t think it was too bad. But I didn’t expect much. I just thought of it as the average buddy movie comedy nowadays.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Don’t you dare mock Tremors 3.

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