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Ranking the Entire Bears Roster: Key Contributors (11-39)

| July 25th, 2018

Here are players I expect to play quite a bit on offense, defense and/or special teams:

39. Kylie Fitts, Edge

Very athletic player who the Bears think can help them off the edge immediately. Needs to develop pass rush moves, but sky is the limit.

38. Marcus Cooper, CB

Okay early last season, but showed a complete lack of focus when forced to play off bench.

37. Bilal Nichols, DT

Rookie from Delaware who should fill in as a backup immediately. Can play all three positions along the defensive line.

36. Benny Cunningham, RB

Cunningham is great on screens and is a really good special teams player. I’d like to see him get more kick returns this year so Tarik Cohen can be more involved in the offense.

35. Joel Iyiegbuniwe, LB

Should be a starter in a year or two. Special teams standout right away. (I’m pretty sure I spelled his last name right.)

34. Roy Robertson-Harris, DL

A make-or-break year for RRH. Has great length and showed flashes last year. Didn’t hold up well against the run, but could be a decent pass rusher.

33. Deon Bush, S

Showed flashes as a rookie, but was MIA last year. Drew praise in offseason workouts and has reportedly had a good camp so far. (Four days.)

32. Nick Kwiatkoski, LB

Had made some big plays as a blitzer and has good instincts against the run. Seems to get lost in coverage, which is why the Bears spent a top 10 pick on his replacement.

31. Aaron Lynch, Edge

Got lost in San Francisco, but has decent potential as a second edge rusher, opposite Lenny Floyd.

30. Eric Kush, OL

Played well at guard when filling in two years ago, but missed all of last season. Can also play center.

29. Sherrick McManis, DB/ST

A four-phase special teams star.

28. Sam Acho, Edge

A high-effort player who always seems to be close to making big plays without ever actually making them. Solid in all areas.

27. Dion Sims, TE

Got off to a tough start last year, but improved as the season progressed. He’ll battle Adam Shaheen for the in-line tight end role.

26. Adam Shaheen, TE

Was better as a blocker than expected last year. Huge frame and good hands, but struggled with route running last year. Should improve in 2018.

25. Anthony Miller, WR

Not sure what to expect out of him as a rookie but Miller was very exciting in college.

24. Kevin White, WR

Monster potential, but it’s hard to put him much higher on this list considering we really haven’t seen much of him. You know the story…

23. James Daniels, OG/C

Daniels might end up being the best offensive lineman on the team in a couple of years, but he has to get stronger first.

22. Jon Bullard, DL

Has really improved as a run defender, which should help him stay on the field this year. Has upside as a pass rusher.

21. Bryce Callahan CB

Slot corner who has really played well since entering the league as a UDFA three years ago. Just hasn’t been able to stay on the field.

20. Bobby Massie, RT

Underrated player who plays his position well. Can’t be left on an island against an elite rusher, but holds his own more times than not.

19. Cody Parkey, K

How high can I put a kicker? I don’t know, but I’m excited about the fact that the Bears are actually going to be able to make field goals this year.

18. Trey Burton, TE

Unproven but very talented. Burton just could be the NFL’s breakout star in 2018.

17. Taylor Gabriel, WR

Super fast, big play threat. Can get down the field or make people miss on screens. A really interesting weapon in this offense.

16. Kyle Fuller, CB

Had a terrific 2017 season, breaking up more passes than anyone in the league. Doesn’t intercept a lot of passes and has been a horrendous tackler, but is still a solid starter.

15. Prince Amukamara, CB

Part of the reason Fuller broke up so many passes in 2017 was because teams were avoiding Amukamara. He’s always been a good corner who has struggled to stay healthy.

14. Mitch Trubisky, QB

This is a tough one to gauge because who he was, who he is and who he can be are all very different players. If we’re basing it on who he was last year, he’d be lower on this list. If we’re going off who he can be, he’d be higher. We have no idea who he is.

13. Charles Leno, LT

With improved coaching and a new scheme, we really could be talking about Leno as one of the best in the business in 12 months.

12. Adrian Amos, S

I’ve always been a big fan of Amos, but the PFF and Bleacher Report rankings are crazy. A safety who doesn’t take the ball away really has limited value. He’s still really young and has tons of upside though.

11. Eddie Goldman, DL

Immovable in the run game and has shown the ability to collapse the pocket. Goldman is a valuable member of the defense playing for a big pay day.

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  • SC Dave

    I’d rank Miller above White.

    • I would rank Arthur Miller ahead of White right now.

      • DaBearsBlog

        Well that goes in the comment HoF.

      • CanadaBear

        At least he banged MM and had some success as a writer!

        • SC Dave

          Writing… Banging MM…

          Easy choice

  • I see Andrew is still too low on Fuller. At least he has him above Cooper now.

    Fuller is the best CB on the team, and it’s not close. Looking at how they handled the contracts for Fuller, Cooper, and Prince this offseason, it’s obvious the Bears agree.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Teams don’t throw at Prince, that’s telling. In terms of impact, Prince had an average yardage impact of +0.27 on the Bears passing defense, while Fuller was at -0.04, per GSIS. Per PFF, Prince gave up 0.76 yards per coverage snap, Fuller allowed 1.29. Prince gave up a catch every 15.6 snaps, Fuller every 9.3. Fuller had a lower OPR because he had two INTs, to Prince’s zero, but he also was targeted 68 more times.

      As for their contracts, Prince is 29 and has a long injury history. He wasn’t going to get big money. Fuller is 26 with one injury that checked out fine. They still ended up with the same amount guaranteed.

      If you want to argue Fuller is better, fine. I have them close. I get it. But no strong argument can be made that Fuller is better and it isn’t close.

      • I actually agree w you on this one. Teams bake INJs and age into contracts.

        Dion Lewis is a prime example. Objectively, he’s every bit as good as Gurley (avg 5 yds per carry. Is probably a better rec) but he got nowhere near that contract because of his INJ history and being 4 yrs older Still only 27)

        Going by play and production alone and not projection or upside, Fuller and Prince seem neck and neck to me

        (Albeit it’s hard to quantify the value of teams choosing not to throw your way a la Revis)

        But obviously Fuller has a higher ceiling and that’s what contracts are suppose to pay for – the future

        • SC Dave

          Part of AD’s point is “ala Prince” too” methinks.

          That said, it sucks we have to argue over who is better between two solid corners.

  • Johnnywad
    • SC Dave

      Can we steal Nelson on a midnight raid to Westfield?

  • Sactowns#1
    • willbest

      until he gets hit once and his leg shatters.

      • Sactowns#1

        Aint gonna happen. He took one of those adamantium baths like Wolverine.

    • Johnnywad

      Someone will be along shortly to remind you that it’s just the defense sucking.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I’ll do it.

      • Sactowns#1

        Damn, you called it.

        • Johnnywad

          We’re not done yet. Penis is fucking with you. John F and BS will show up when they’re done grinding their axes out back.

          • SC Dave

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      He is probably going against slow ass 5th and 6th string CBs that just make him look fast.

  • willbest

    I feel, given the lack of depth at OLB, Acho should probably rank in the high teens rather than the high 20s.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    They should use Kwitkowski in some sort of blitz packages. Vic is going to have to get creative with the pressure this year. They won’t be able to get to the qb without some trickery. I’m looking for more CB and safety blitzes also. Our 2 top cb’s are good in man, so they should be able to take a few more risks than in years past.

    • Johnnywad

      Bears were 7th in sacks last year. 2 short of being 5th. This old song holds no water.

      • SC Dave

        Facts. Nevertheless, I do like the idea of Kwiat blitzing since he seems to get the slap the ball away from the QB thing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Acho/Anderson … Roquan … they can all do that … Kwiat can ride the pine until we can get rid of him.

  • ButtonShoes

    How is Mitch not the no. 1 contributor on this list? His success or failure will ultimately determine this team’s success or failure.

    • Jokey

      This is a best player list, not a most important list

      • ButtonShoes

        Ah.

      • BenderMcLugh

        woah, who are you???

        • Jokey

          longtime reader, infrequent poster

          • BenderMcLugh

            si, been a while Jokey

        • Irish Sweetness

          Asian Bear!

      • willbest

        Its not at all obvious what this list is to be honest.

        Adrian Amos is not better than Fuller. Amos is not a better safety than Fuller is a CB, so even adjusting for positional quality it doesn’t work. Now maybe adjusting for positional importance in Vic’s system it makes some sense (maybe), but if you are adjusting for positional importance than Trubisky is #1.

        Dion Sims isn’t a top 40 player on this roster let along running neck and neck with Shaheen. Burton is ranked 18th simply because he was an RZ favorite of Carson Wentz. White is objectively worse than Bellamy and yet is 18 spots higher than him.

        Its also not a list based on playing time because that would be a list of Trubisky, all the o-line, the two safeties, fuller, and Trevathan making up the top 10.

        Its not a list of players AD is the most excited nor a list of players that need to do good for the Bears to succeed because Trubisky is too far down that list.

        Maybe its a list of who AD thinks will be the best player on the team after the 2018 season is in the books. But if that is the case, how is Kush getting ranked that high unless we are already only scheduling Long to make it 8 games. And if you are scheduling Long to make it 8 games well… how is Long a top 10 player.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          AD doesn’t know what he is talking about. Jeez he has Ryan Nall at 66, smh.

        • It’s hard to grade any great but INJ prone player.

          Call it, the Mike Brown paradox.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

            Mike Brown didn’t miss games in the first 4 years.

          • True, but once the wheels came off…

            That’s where we’re at with Long. Great when in, but can only count on him for like 7 games or something.

          • SC Dave

            Agree, but since MB is lurking, you just killed his return.

  • willbest

    “Also, these contracts are all slotted now. So every agent is trying to
    twist & maneuver & cajole every possible nickel out of the
    franchise.” – Jeff

    Obviously, hard to justify their 3% if they aren’t adding any value.

    “Being paid for what you’ve done is called a bonus. Every employer everywhere pays you for what they expect you to do.” – Jeff

    I don’t know if that last part is true. The whole reason the NFL instituted the rookie wage scale was so that they didn’t have to pay top 16 draft picks based on expectations. The NFLPA went along with it because it leaves more money for the people the union represents (current, dues paying, members).

    • The rookie wage scale totally changed the NFL.

      It got to the point where teams did NOT want a top 5 pick because the contracts were so onerous purple drank exhibit A) so it defeated the idea of parity.

      Now there’s a lot more trading because ppl no longer shy away from trading up (like Pace) due to obscene contracts.

      • SC Dave

        The rookie scale prevented the death of the NFL.

        Or at least postponed.

  • Sactowns#1

    Happy Birthday Walter. You were the greatest to ever play the game. http://www.nfl.com/videos/all-time-greats/0ap3000000476696/Walter-Payton-career-highlights-NFL-Legends

    • I love the Walter-Suhey story of when Walter was ill, Suhey would cruise by the street to look through his window to see if he was ok, and Walter would just be lying on his couch, and raise his hand to flip him off, then Suhey would drive away knowing he was ok lol

    • SC Dave

      Gotta go with Butkus.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    How the fuck is the hall of fame game a week from tomorrow already. Holy shit, that escalated quickly

    • Sactowns#1

      Remind me.. is it scrubs in the first game and then starters in game 2 and 3 and scrubs again in game four or?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Since we got the HoF game we have 5 preseason games. I am not sure how Nagy is going to handle it, but it should help get the offense to gel.

        • Johnnywad

          Or get broken. That’s too many games.

        • He has to stick to the script in the regular 4 PS games because other teams aren’t going to change their MO.

          This is the typical PS script

          1st game: 1-2 series for starters
          2nd game. Starters get 1st QTR, maybe a lil of 2nd
          3rd game: Starters get half, and usu 1 series after half-time
          4rth game. Scrubs from start to end.

          Btw, a lot of ppl hate that 4rth game, but I like it. They may be scrubs, but they’re out there playing for their lives, which is cool to watch.

    • SC Dave

      It’s been the beginning of August for a while, iirc

  • That Guy

    #1 Future HoF-er RYAN NALL!

  • catfish44

    Trump sounds normal in private. It’s all an act. Reading anything into a short, grainy tape recording is difficult. But from the moment that CNN’s Chris Cuomo shared one of the Michael Cohen tapes, experts have sliced and diced the audio to figure out exactly what then-candidate Donald Trump knew about a payment to keep his alleged affair with former Playboy playmate Karen McDougal off the front pages.

    One of the most remarkable aspects of the tape is just how normal Trump sounds when the cameras are not on. He carries on his conversation with one unnamed person (likely on the phone), as well as with his lawyer Michael Cohen, in a relatively controlled and deliberative voice. This is not the same Trump who we heard and still hear speaking in half-sentences. Nor is it the Trump who continually tosses out statements made on Fox News to his audiences, simply to stir up the base.
    For Michael Cohen, it may not be a 'John Dean' moment
    For Michael Cohen, it may not be a ‘John Dean’ moment
    No, on this tape we hear a little bit of a methodical and controlled candidate who is trying to figure out how to handle a potential problem in his campaign — how to kill an embarrassing story. He listens, absorbs and responds. He knows what is going on, and he wants a workable plan.
    While we certainly can’t read too much into this short piece of audio, it does create the possibility that Trump is much more strategic about how he conducts his business. Though many critics depict him as a deranged and unstable leader, while supporters love to think of him as “just being himself,” the tape suggests another possibility.
    Namely, Trump is playing a part in front of the cameras — the norm-breaking, in-your face conservative populist who is attempting to maintain his razor-thin electoral coalition of loyal Trump fanatics, stalwart Republican voters and disaffected Democrats. When he conducts a press conference in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin in which he defends the Russians and attacks the American intelligence community, there is a thought-through rationale for why he does so. When he tweets out provocative statements about NFL players or political opponents, he is attempting to trigger certain responses and to push the conversation in specific directions. When he allows children to be separated from their families at the border, he is trying to send a harsh message.
    Cohen's recording of Trump is a warning sign
    Cohen’s recording of Trump is a warning sign
    The tape allows us to hear a Trump who has a game plan that will allow him to pursue policy initiatives that matter to him and control and direct the media narrative about his presidency — all the while working toward re-election in 2020. Whether it works is an unknown, but there is a plan.
    And he is not the only president to be misjudged by his friends and foes. Political scientist Fred Greenstein once wrote a classic work in which he argued that Dwight Eisenhower conducted a “hidden hand” presidency during the 1950s. Although many commentators saw Eisenhower as an affable war hero who delegated his decisions to Cabinet officials, it turned out he played a much larger role than we knew. He dominated the policy machinery of the White House, and he never delegated much power to his staff. The President was more cunning and in control than the public ever imagined.—–https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/25/opinions/michael-cohen-donald-trump-tape-strategy-zelizer/index.html

    • catfish44

      a con man who plays his sheep like base, especially the evangelicals, like a master puppeteer. a sucker born every minute.

    • The problem with that is a lot of his close circle have called him “a fucking moron” an idiot, a child, impulsive, demented, insecure, narcisstic, unstable…and these were not haters, but guys like Banon who agree w the policies.

      Though I do agree that he’s playing the part of “unstable genius” but savvy leaders have already caught on to the act and are calling his bluffs.

      What he’s great at is manipulating the media. He’s a reality TV executive, so he knows how to come up with a controversial next episode to consume the media and viewers.

      Unfortunately, the new “episodes” or crisis, is not Stevo jerking off a horse or OC wives slapping each other, but children being ripped apart from their moms, weakening of NATO and global alliances, undermining our free press, FBI and justice system, looking like Putin’s bitch…

      • leftcoastdave

        Don’t know if you have heard yet, but it has been leaked by the interpreter that President Trump and Putin only talked about their grandchildren on the tarmac, or I mean in Helsinki.

        • If you ever studied logic, one of the first fallacies they teach you is “Et tu”. That’s why I called Will “What About Will”

          You may want to look at this quick vid on the fallacy.

      • willbest

        Which people in his close circle? And keep in mind you said, “a lot” so I am expecting at least 8 names.

        • “For Steve Mnuchin and Reince Priebus, [Trump] was an ‘idiot.’ For Gary Cohn,
          he was ‘dumb as s–t.’ For H.R. McMaster he was a ‘dope.’ The list went
          on”

          Tillerson never denied he called him a fucking moron.

          “But Trump seemed unconcerned, assuring Murdoch, ‘We’ll figure it
          out.’ ‘What a f****** idiot,’ said Murdoch, shrugging, as he got off the
          phone.”

          Bannon pretty much thinks Trump is a “useful idiot” (like many other conservatives) and also said Don’s russia meeting was “treasonous” and Ivanka “Dumb as a brick”

          It’s been reported that the staff has to put “Trump” in the briefings so he could read them, and that they keep them really short cuz he has the attention span of a 3 yr old.

          And those were his own guys, and I’m sure only a small fraction of his circle.

          Lot of them don’t wanna really say for fear of being Bannoned.

          I could find more, but all one has to do is listen to Trump for 5 minutes, or read his all caps misspelled tweets to recognize he’s a “fucking moron”

          • willbest

            Most of those people denied it. In McMaster’s case somebody else at the dinner denied he said it too.

            So no formal denial passes for truth these days, and we except hushed tones, because bannoned. Bannon who you hate is now believable?

            Surprised you didn’t mention Sam Numberg, who actually admits he probably said it, but then provided context.

            I just find it amazing that an idiot can turn $100 million into a couple billion, have a successful television career, and then win the presidency after being outspent 2 to 1. That is some impressive luck

          • Malice Halice

            Nigga what?! Trump by ALL MEANS ain’t responsible for his success. That’s like saying Tom Brady is solely responsible for his SB wins? U think that trump alone made all that happen? U don’t doubt the aspect of him having help with finding real estate, you don’t think that somebody pitched the apprentice idea to him, u don’t consider the fact the popular vote don’t mean shit but a opinion ?

          • willbest

            Moss/Gronk had to get open, Hoodie had to steal the defensive signals, McDaniels had to come up with plays, but at the end of the day Brady still had to execute. So no its not all Trump, but as Hillary proved, you can’t drag dead weight all the way to the top.

          • There’s a lot of other ppl like Numberg, esp from his days as a private citizen in the NY circle.

            Also, it’s pretty hard to go totally broke when you have inherited a fortune from daddy.

            Although Trump tried hard. He went bankrupt 4 times, failed at practically every venture he took, from selling steak knives, to Trump U.

            U.S. banks wouldn’t even loan him $, which begs the question: WHERE DID TRUMP GET HIS $ from?

            He’s not releasing his taxes for a reason, and Jr already stated they got cash flow from Russia (and possibly mob).

            What I do give Trump credit for is his branding. He knows how to market himself, but that makes him no better than a great used car salesmen.

          • SC Dave

            *yawn* to the whole fucking thread.

          • Irish Sweetness

            On this we agree, Dave.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Stupid is as stupid does. He’s the most powerful man on the planet bar none.

    • Sactowns#1

      The willful ignorance of his base is what frightens me most. They abhor education and they will discard facts in favor of wild conspiracy theories and wacky moralistic stances.

      • Doesn’t surprise me, Sac.
        Even here, in “commie liberal CA” I know ignorant racists (btw they’re not all Trumpers), so I can only imagine how it is in other places.

        I find it depressing that some ppl somehow truly believe that Fox news is the ONLY news outlet which is honest, while EVERY OTHER news network is “fake” – that ALL the other news organization, print, media, internet, etc are in cahoots in some vast “liberal’ (“jew”/NWO for some) conspiracy to brainwash them

        That’s pretty astonishing.

        Fox is basically state Trump TV, and not that far off from Info Wars.

        Luckily, 60% of Americans are still against Trump, and he still lost the general election even with the help of Russia and Hillary ineptness.

        • willbest

          “he still lost the general election even with the help of Russia and Hillary ineptness.”

          You probably meant to say popular vote, but considering you are calling other people idiots, its not exactly the time to make dumbass mistakes yourself. But in case you aren’t, I would love to be enlightened on how Trump failed to receive the number of elector’s necessary to be President.

          • Yes, popular vote. He lost the popular in spite of Russia help and Hillary ineptness.

            I also didn’t call them idiots, just ignorant. There’s a difference.

            And I didn’t say all of them were. Some, like you, just want the judges and policies no matter the price of our democracy or international standing.

          • willbest

            You can’t go rattling off about the price to democracy just because your preferred candidate lost an election where all the rules have been known for 200+ years.

            As for our international standing, I am curious as to what you think it was before? How you believe trump changed it? And why that should matter.

            Because we are a country that shit canned Iraq based on bullshit. Fucked up Libya even though we promised we wouldn’t. Said we would protect Ukraine and then didn’t. There is something going on in Yemen that we don’t even discuss. And on and on. So where is this pristine rep that he is ruining?

            And of course they don’t like him when he is demanding changes to the status quo that is more favorable to the US. So like I said, why does it matter.

          • Undermining democracy has little to do with not having Hillary, or Bernie in.

            Attacking the free press is a standard Russian tactic. Trump does it all the time.
            Attacking his own FBI, DOJ, and siding with Russia also undermines our democracy.
            Claiming some 400 pound guy and not Russia interfered, and WILL interfere, with our elections while not taking any steps to stop future attacks is undermining our democracy
            Ripping crying children away from their moms erodes our moral standings on international matters of human rights
            Eroding the rule of law when the President wants a justice who thinks the president is above it undermines democracy
            When Trump is charging the american ppl millions of dollars for staying at his own resort, when there’s all these shady deals his children are profiting from like with the Emirates and China, raising questions about prioritizing self-interest, profiteering, pay-for-play, and good ole nepotism, undermines our democracy.
            Pathologically lying from inauguration numbers to porn star affairs undermines our democracy
            Saying there’s “good ppl” in a Nazi march and calling african nations “shit hole countries” while saying “mexicans are rapists” undermines our democracy.
            Possibly being a russian plant undermines our democracy
            Looking like a lunatic on the world stage undermines our democracy.

            I could go on, but I think you get my drift.

          • willbest

            “Attacking the free press is a standard Russian tactic. Trump does it all the time.”

            Actually, pretty standard Russian tactic is to not allow the press to say mean things about Putin in the first place. Trump doesn’t give a shit, but he isn’t going to tolerate the press when they get something wrong. The only complaint you have is that people believe him.

            “Attacking his own FBI, DOJ, and siding with Russia also undermines our democracy.”

            The FBI/DOJ is attacking him. Comey, Strzok both said that Trump wasn’t involved and they investigated him for over a year. Yet Muller exists. Lisa Page said that she interpretted Strzok’s text to mean what we all thought they meant. But I am sure you will continue with the FBI being above reproach.

            “Claiming some 400 pound guy and not Russia interfered, and WILL
            interfere, with our elections while not taking any steps to stop future
            attacks is undermining our democracy”

            What would you have him do? Personally, I would think photo voter id, paper ballots only, and purple fingers would be great for insuring the integrity of our elections. didn’t realize you were on board with election integrity but if you are we can find common ground.

            “Pathologically lying…”

            so he is a politician afterall, the horror.

            “calling african nation “shit hole countries” while saying “mexicans are rapists” undermines our democracy. ”

            You are going to need to flesh this one out. As with your first point, I have a hard time understanding how the President’s constitutional right to the 1st Amendment, harms American democracy. But that is especially true if it is directed at non-Americans.

          • SC Dave

            “Personally, I would think photo voter id, paper ballots only, and purple
            fingers would be great for insuring the integrity of our elections.
            didn’t realize you were on board with election integrity but if you are
            we can find common ground.”

            To say nothing about having to be a citizen

          • Irish Sweetness

            Anyone see ‘Shock and Awe’ yet?

            If that story is to be believed, then every major news outlet was supporting Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld’s lies on the road to invading Iraq, and woe betide those that didn’t.

          • BerwynBomber

            Keep up the good fight, Butch. Given the amount of big-name defections from the GOP, I am heartened that the vile mistake of a POTUS election will be corrected in the next 2-3 years. But, as usual, it will mostly come down to white independents/swing voters.

          • The attack on the media and truth is by far the most damaging:

            “Just remember, what you’re seeing, and what you’re reading is not what’s happening” – Fake News Trump

            “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final most essential command” – 1984

            …………..

            Agree. Ironically, it might be the least repugnant of his polices which do him in: Tariffs. (which is hurting those independent/swing votes in white america)

            Trump I think is now debating providing relief to those industries hurt in his tariff war (for midterm election reasons, not cuz he cares), so not only is the republican party against Free Trade now, but they’re FOR big evil government subsidizing private businesses.

            So much for their fav quote “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure”

            Can’t make this up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude, democracy?

            You were provided a lying whore and a guy like Trump as your choice for President ….

            If that’s a democracy then it’s time to revolt.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think Trump makes the blindest bit of difference to international standing.

            Only a few Americans believe the President runs things. It’s the Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s and palm-greasers that have been running that clusterfuck for some time now.

          • SC Dave

            So this.

      • catfish44

        his base is pathetic, esp. the 88% voted for trump evangelicals.

      • SC Dave

        A sanctimonious jackass sort of statement, and example of the SOLE superior characteristic of the left… hubris.

        • Sactowns#1

          You must have never watched InfoWars or had a debate with a certain sect of trump supporter.

          • SC Dave

            I didn’t say sole province, I said sole superior characteristic.

            The left is just better at pretending they have exclusive ownership of the moral high ground.

    • leftcoastdave

      “Clinton News Network, the most trusted name . . . ” Oh, nevermind.

      • catfish44

        BOTH parties are hopelessly corrupt, bought and paid for.

        • Irish Sweetness

          “Suckers of Satan’s cock. Each and every one.”

          – Bill Hicks

    • Johnnywad

      Look what you did.

      • Maybe he’s a russian bot to split the Bears fans from within. Lol

        how petty would that be!

        Well, not as petty as shitting on someone’s car hood, which I think is a Russian thing.
        Imagine that, you park, go into your grocery store. Come out 30 mins later, and there in all its glistening glory, a gigantic turn on your hood.

        • Johnnywad

          I don’t have to imagine that. I’ve done it myself. College level drunkenness retaliatory move.
          #shocknawe

          • Moses Christ, Johhny.
            I don’t know if I now respect you less or more lol

          • Johnnywad

            I got stories Butch.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am glad I have not been the only one to do that.

        • SC Dave

          One could try something that, like, matters.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Everybody plays a part in front of cameras, whether they’re famous or not. In fact, everybody plays a part whether they’re in front of cameras or not.

  • catfish44

    EVERYTHING depends on trubisky. in a quarterback/ passing offense driven league, you either have one to take you to the top, or you don’t. i would say 30% that trubisky is that one.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • wow. That’s great news.
      He looked pretty bad at the ESPYs esp when compared to Marino and Elway.

      • SC Dave

        It is great news. Money helps, I bet.

        • Reminds me of that South Park episode when they said they found a cure for AIDS, and it was literally putting millions of dollars into the blender and shooting it up.

  • AlbertInTucson
  • Malice Halice

    What’s the deal with Ryan Nall? Don’t seem like he’s gettin any recognition. How is he with blocking n all other related intangibles? His tape is lengthy n quite potent.

    • Think he’s the Braverman of this class.

      His tape is interesting cuz he doesn’t look fast, but he outruns defenders regularly.

      He said that Pace brought him in to be a short-yd specialist.

      He’s one of those guys we won’t really get to judge until we see him play vs NFL level athleticism.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        What are you talking about? He will be the greatest of all time future HoFer!

      • SC Dave

        “…he doesn’t look fast, but he outruns defenders regularly”

        As I posted at draft time, reminds me of Forte in that respect.

        • Malice Halice

          He look to have major upside

  • BerwynBomber

    Day 4 Camp video. I believe the CB who jumps the route and picks Bisky at the 1:30 mark is UDFA Rashard Fant from Indiana. Since everyone is leaning Tolliver as their UDFA CB who makes the squad, I will go with Fant.

    • Who the heck is #13? He dropped 2 passes right in his hands including a bomb.
      I know we can’t take much from blurry practice vid, but Trub looks a bit hesitant, staring down receivers and waiting for them to get open instead of throwing them open.
      I suppose it’s to be expected this early on.
      His accuracy looks sharp though.
      Fant made a nice jump.
      He’s only 5’10 174 though compared to Tolliver 6’2 205. And as we all know, Fangio loves him big CBs.

      However, maybe Fants can replace LeBlanc if he really balls.

      • SC Dave

        Benny Fowler

        • Yeah, I was looking it up, and must’ve missed it on the new roster. Apparently they remade Da Offical Site.

          Rough day for him I guess. Can’t say I haven’t had bad practices.

          White apparently thought his #13 was bad luck. Maybe Fowler should go with a diff # lol

      • Johnnywad

        Couple bad throws in there. But man, isn’t that going to be pretty common? Especially in july?

        I some some really nice ones in there too.

        • Yeah, and to be fair to Trub, we have no idea what Nagy and the QB coaches are telling him to work on. Maybe they told him before the series to work on his foot work, or delivery, so he’s focusing on that.
          And I’m sure he’s still memorizing where everyone has to be still (hence the staring down). WCO plays are infamously complex.

          Also, this is the O without the run or RPO, so the secondary knows it’s gonna be pass.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, good point. Tolliver might get the spot on body and potential alone.

        P.S. I like LeBlanc as a depth guy.

    • Malice Halice

      I think Kevin White should be doing Fuller’s laundry/paying his tab for the next week. Oh my goodness that was a man of an interception. Kevin white did look good tho (Giant with dreads, didn’t know he was THAT big), saw him gettin twisted up on tackles as well, looked comfortable catching the ball between the hashes. That other interception from da other guy was cool but I think Fullers was incredibly savage!

    • Also, I would strongly recommend you guys check out the vid b4 it gets pulled down by the man.

      Yeah, it’s a practice, but even a Bears practice is still more fun to watch than the Masters or Grand Slam

      • SC Dave

        That pass at :28ish has been shown over and over, as if it’s good. Underthrown, like most of Turbisky’s long passes so far.

        • His long ball accuracy is something he def has to work at, going back to his draft profile.

          • SC Dave

            He should channel Sexy Rexy, but only in long pass accuracy. It would be a yuuuuge improvement.

          • I think the long ball is as much mental as physical. Gotta be a bit cocky with it.

            Sex Cannon had tiny hands but big hutzpah.

            Sometimes you just gotta let it rain.

          • SC Dave

            No argument. Bisky needs to find it. Nagy has been talking about it, actually.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Every QB needs to work on long balls. Not too many make it look easy.

        • Malice Halice

          Yea the WR had to slow down 3 steps to try n catch it in stride.

          • SC Dave

            And still couldn’t catch it in stride. Like the longest pass last season to Cohen… MT said himself if he’d thrown the ball right Cohen would have scored untouched.

            All the talk about our receivers stretching the field is useless if the ball is not thrown right.

          • Malice Halice

            To keep it real after watching that pass again for the past 2 min that was a very bad throw. The wr body language easily gave it away that the ball is incoming. Any capable DB could’ve easily snatched that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The first one? A tad, a smidgeon underthrown, the DB was in no position to make a play on it with his back turned. That’s nit-picking. It was a good pass.

          Trey Burton (80) got his lunch eaten at 1:31 though.

        • Johnnywad

          Man. I saw some really nice throws in there.

    • Malice Halice

      The pass Mitch threw into double coverage… Did the safety read the Qb eyes or was that just a dumb throw? It wasn’t to White so I didn’t understand the philosophy for the gutsy throw. Pass should’ve been intercepted tho.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Now this is what we’re after ….

      • willbest

        A QB1 getting picked off by a guy who probably won’t make the team? We had one of those

        • Irish Sweetness

          Footage! I’m just glad to see them!

  • SC Dave

    You think you have problems (with Trump/whatever)?

    Our 4th two-hour rehearsal is tomorrow night, and after four more it’s performance time (two weeks from Friday and again Sunday) . The program?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB5sDA7aztA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYJm5Ae0Xo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwnZ748e3CA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpB6_ASFsik

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFAYVTb7GCc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngSsaSimi8Athe

    Think I’ll go for the bass solo part in 4th one (Haydn). Probably no-go, but as Gretzky would say, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. 🙂 That, and the “In all the lands…” part is so fun to sing.

    • BerwynBomber

      Thanks for sharing SCD. Had no idea you were in a choir.

    • leftcoastdave

      Great stuff. Nothing better than blending your voice into a choir.

  • willbest

    FB missed and the stock got beat. You think Zuckerberg is going to miss the $16.5 billion he lost in a matter of minutes? That’s like 6 Trump’s worth. Yuge.

    • SC Dave

      No, he won’t miss it.

      • willbest

        You would be surprised. Humans suck at absolutes. It’s relative suffering that they recognize.

  • Malice Halice

    I’m so proud of Buddha Baker. He doing his thang so far. Cards was willing to drop blondeBoy in favor for him (He wanted too much $) and rely on the heavy Safety free agency market. So here’s the question, who had a better rookie debut, Eddie Jackson or Buddha?

    • BerwynBomber

      Didn’t see any of Buddha but liked him coming out of college. Weird how the U of Wash became Secondary U in recent years … well, after OSU and Bama.

      Like BlondeBoy and P. Peterson, but have contended for awhile that each is a hair overrated. Both exception ballers though/PB level guys.

      (Fuck, I can’t even remember who signed Matthieu. MIA?)

    • I was bullish on Buddha in the 2nd (he can also play some nickle), but I gotta give Pace props – Jackson looks like the real deal.

      That being said, if Shaheen flops, then Pace doesn’t look as clever. Basically just switch Jackson for Shaheen in the 2nd, though he did get 3 extra picks out of it, one of whom became Jackson, and the other I think ended up becoming Morgan.

      Not sure what happened to the 2018 3rd rder.

      https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/04/28/bears-trade-down-from-36th-pick-acquire-3-picks/

  • Johnnywad

    Fucking politics mucking up a decent thread again.

    Goddam you Catfish. Let a sleeping dog lie.

    Fuck’em all.

    We have a game in a week and we’re still talking about the election and the fucking Russians. Like any of it matters. Or anything will/can be done about it. Spoiler alert: It won’t. Gonna be the same old shit, over and over and over again.

  • Johnnywad
    • I would be shocked if Howard hits 1,400 yds.

      True, Nagy helped Hunt become a stud, but Hunt was a true 3 down back. Howard is likely coming out on obvious passing downs, hurry up, 2 min drills, and come-from-behind scenarios. That caps a lot of yds.

      Also, that O was clicking. Alex Smith, Hill, Kelce, Wilson…all knowing that O like the back of their hand.

      It would be asking a lot to think Trub and gang will match that in yr 1.

      And the Chief’s D also kept games close, so they played ahead or in close games to give Hunt more runs.

      But I still think Howard’s floor is 1,000 yds, which is HB2 tier.

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