• That Guy

    SUPERB OWL!

  • Big Mike

    7-9 wins was my guess before the draft. Hiring Nagy and his staff was my reason for optimism. Can’t imagine how the coaching change wasn’t worth at least +2. After FA and the Draft, I haven’t changed my guess, I feel 9 is within reach. Even if they only win 7, I’m predicting some very very strong wins. Zero games where the beloved look like the JV.

    • CanadaBear

      I definitely think they will blow out a team or two. I also think they will lose a couple of games they should have won. Baby steps. 8-8 with the arrow pointing up is OK. If they get off to a good start and then go in the tank, YIKES!

  • chitownproud85

    8-8. Lets get to .500 and then start dreaming bigger. I’d just like to see the boys win half their damn games so the football season isnt a bunch of Mondays with me flipping the bird to every dick in the office lol

    • BenderMcLugh

      AMEN.

    • It would be nice to not be mathamatically eliminated by Dec.
      That’s all i ask for. Admittingly, not a high bar

      • chitownproud85

        Not high, but reasonable. Reason is in short supply. Upvote

  • Irish Sweetness

    8-8.

    We were a 5 win football team a few months ago. I see no improvement to the pass rush, nor really an intention to rush the passer, and I really do not like bend-don’t break defenses. So the middle way for me is absolute parity. “Only the Sith deal in absolutes….”

    Aside: Watched a fan edit of SW Episodes I-III on a HDTV yesterday.

    Was Count Dooku the baddest Sith ever, or what? He single-handedly fends off Yoda (separate battle) … and totally kicks the shit out of Master Obi Wan Kenobi AND Anakin Skywalker at the same time!

    • CanadaBear

      7th in sacks last year.

      • Johnnywad

        Probably coverage sacks. Though supposedly our DBs suck and are nutless. Just doesn’t add up does it?

        • evantonio

          We were only 7th in sacks if you go by the stats and numbers. If you look at the product on the field, we were 27th.

          • Johnnywad

            Fine. But I’m totally using 7th in all of my defense based arguments.

      • Fake news!

    • BenderMcLugh

      Dooku was seriously powerful, but Yoda would have taken him. The Emperor, Snoke, Vader, all stronger than Dooku tho

      • evantonio

        Was Snoke powerful? Or was he only able to rise because Vader and Palpatine were gone?

        • EnderWiggin

          I thought Snoke was Master Windu.

          • evantonio
          • EnderWiggin

            If you paid me to think… I’d still be broke!

          • willbest

            Snoke should have been Plagueis, who was returned to physical form with the death of Darth Sidious.

          • I thought he was Plagueis at first. Wouldve made sense. He lets Sidious do all the dirty work then returns to take over when Sidious dies.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Didn’t Sidious kill Plagueis in his sleep?

            The scene at the theater where Sidious tells Anakin about bringing people back fro the dead using the dark side. I thin it was a deleted scene, but a great one.

          • But if Plagueis has power over life or death, could’ve fooled Palpatine into thinking he was dead.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Also a badass. Had Sidious at his mercy until Anakin became Darth. Beheaded Jango Fett, model for the clone army and top bounty hunter that captured Anakin and Obi Wan.

      • Snoke went out like a biatch.

        • BenderMcLugh

          Truuuth

      • Irish Sweetness

        Snoke? That bitch got cold-cocked by his bitch apprentice! Never saw that shit coming!
        That was some weak-ass shit. I didn’t see the point of his character at all. Zero story there, and then he gets punked by his boy.

        Dooku kicked Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin fucking Darth Vader’s asses. Respect.

        • BenderMcLugh

          Hahaha alrighty

    • evantonio

      fends off yoda, but would’ve lost had the fight gone on. that’s why he pulled down the structure towards obi-wan/anakin – he needed yoda to focus elsewhere so he could escape.

      he did beat obi-wan and anakin, but they’re pretty early in their journeys, no? isn’t anakin still a padawan in that fight?

      • Sactowns#1

        We all know Jar-Jar is the ultimate Jedi. Why is this even a debate?

        • evantonio

          He was a Sith, bruh. Super Sith.

          • Sactowns#1

            A Jedi is just a Sith who hasnt had his heart broken yet.

          • willbest

            Is that what happened to Luke in the end?

          • evantonio

            Who broke Palpatine’s heart?

          • Johnnywad

            I don’t know how you guys keep watching this shit. It’s the same thing over and over and over since the Empire Strikes Back. I watched one of the newer ones a few years ago for the first time since the trilogy. It felt like they just retold the same story with CGI. Thieves. All of them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Because Disney screwed their trilogy, man. Our trilogy. They bought Star Wars – or so they thought. George WAS Star Wars.

          • It has become extremely repetitive. When Leia force swam through space…jumping the galactic shark.
            And I dislike the underpinning notion of a family bloodline being special. Kinda reeks of aristocratic eugenics.
            Vader was basically trained like some Shaolin monk since childhood, but nope, some farm hand with a rake beat him.
            Kylo Ren is likewise trained and naturally is defeated by some scavenger w a stick cuz ya know ‘mitachlorins’ .

          • evantonio

            Force Awakens and Last Jedi are nothing special.

            I enjoyed Rogue One a lot. Was longer than it needed to be, but it didn’t feel like your typical Star Wars movie. No Jedi, gritty, heroes dying. It was a war movie set in the Star Wars universe.

            I’m hoping Solo will be more of the same. Not so much a war movie, but a story set within the universe that doesn’t follow the same old storyline and tropes.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yeah. The next time Anakin meets him he tells him his power has more than doubled.

        • evantonio

          I used to say the same thing anytime I saw an ex girlfriend.

    • I always liked Dooku. But the guy I really wanted to see more of was Maul. Supposedly in the comics he fought before he took on the Jedis, so was not full strength. But getting trained by Sidious from childhood had to make him a badass.
      I still don’t get how Luke w like 1 or 2 yrs of training beat Vader who was more powerful and more trained.

      These are not the plotholes you were looking for…

      • BenderMcLugh

        The animated series goes into Maul post-Obi-wan cutting him in half. Pretty good story, the nightsisters come into it too

        • BenderMcLugh

          But still, Maul was a punk

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s a much more developed character in ‘Rebels’. Kinda cool. Not Dark, not Light, somewhere in between.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Maul didn’t die in Ep.I amazingly, even after being chopped in half. He pops up in Star Wars:Rebels and tries to tempt Ezra to the Dark side.

        BTW – nobody can give me a staright answer on this. Towards the end of the Clone Wars series, Yoda travels to a Force planet, and meets with the Force Priestesses. They tell Yoda that there is another Skywalker (not Anakin). Who was that? Was Lucas going to introduce that in his end trilogy?

    • CanadaBear

      I think I might be the only one on here that has never seen a Star Wars movie.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That must have taken a concerted effort.

        • CanadaBear

          Not really. Just not into Sci-Fi. Back when they first came out my friend’s kids would tell me all about them but that’s as close I got. Even as a kid it just didn’t do it for me. I’m not sure I’ve seen an entire episode of the original Star Trek. I know I’ve never seen any of the other versions.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I enjoyed STAR WARS. was really intrigued by THE EMPIRE STRIKES back. RETURN OF THE JEDI was a major let down. I find the prequels, on the whole, weak, at best. Since then, pretty “meh.”

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve kinda gathered all the remakes aren’t exactly universally praised. Although when a series has fans as passionate as SW’s, it’s pretty tough to live up to that benchmark. I’m amazed at all the super hero movies these days. There must be at least a half dozen Spiderman movies over the years and I don’t even remember that character being all that in comics back in the day.

          • AlbertInTucson

            My distaste began with RETURN OF THE JEDI when, instead of just flashing back to flesh out how the Emperor consolidated his power and how Anakin became Vader, we are “treated” to an extended “Muppet Show” on Endor with the oh-so-cute and lovable Ewoks. Waste. Of. Celluloid. The kid in PHANTOM MENACE who plays Boy-Anakin could not act. Hayden Christiansen was no better as teenage Anakin in the next 2 prequels.

          • CanadaBear

            Wow! I kinda forget how many of those movies there are. Nothing kills a scene quicker than someone that can’t act. It throws everyone else off their game. I really like Willem Dafoe and Madonna made him look like a community theater actor because she was so terrible in Body of Evidence.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Saw most of BODY.. once on a free HBO weekend.

            Awful.

          • CanadaBear

            Really awful. Consistent with a lot of Madonna endeavors!!!!!!!!!!!

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Jenny Nicholson: “The Dark Side Doesn’t Make Sense” (11 minutes)

    • SC Dave

      Gawd… half the thread wasted in Star Wars?

  • John F

    7-9 at best, probably 6-10

    – growing pains with a totally new offense, basically all the skill positions are starting from scratch with a brand new offense (will be even tougher if/when Long gets hurt again)
    – no pass rush at all, even with Floyd/Goldman who will likely get hurt again
    – another year of mileage on the 2017 roster = more injuries
    – new, unproven head coach and offensive coordinator
    – Fuller may repeat 2017, or go back to 2015
    – division schedule is brutal again

    Overall, just too many holes to fill in too short a time. It’s like a sinking lifeboat, Pace bails out 4 gallons, but then 3 gallons pour back in. He will need three straight drafts where he gets at least 4-5 starters per draft just to have a base so that he can make annual adjustments and fill in with trades and free agents. That is a tall order that most GM’s couldn’t hope to accomplish.

    • SuckaMykeDitka

      Wow man, can’t wait to not ever have a beer with you. Are you like this about everything in your life?

      • SC Dave

        Thumbs up, despite not resdimg whatever “This user is blocked. ” graced the blog with this time.

    • ButtonShoes

      5-6 wins is a reasonable assumption, I think. Too many things have to go right for this team to go 7-9 or 8-8, and you’re in the toughest division in the league, and the toughest conference. The Bears have a tall hill to climb. Next year might be the season that tells the final tale of what all of Pace’s work has accomplished.

  • Malice Halice

    This team is winning 8 games at minimum. I don’t even understand how my fellow comrades here think otherwise. Yes we have a new identity with the offense but both of those guys are very intelligent n fluid with schemes as well as having a DC to pitch/play those radical ideas to n get input. Our team is loaded with speed n multi skill sets on both sides of the field. We just need to stay healthy n get production from our 2 stringers

  • Joecashflow

    5 wins last year, with shit clock management, shit coach challenges, missed chip shot field goals, 9 and 10 in the box on predictable runs. So I add 2 wins just for coaching change. Add another win for TOP gains, giving the D a blow, more sustained drives by the Biscuit. And finally 2 more wins for FA plus draft giving Biscuit more weapons, = 10 wins. Its May, why not !

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      you are about 6 short.

      • Joecashflow

        Thats what the wife says…..

        • SC Dave

          So, she wants 17?

      • leftcoastdave

        Nine short.

  • BenderMcLugh

    Weren’t Lach & Briggsy roomies at some point? This seems like a good start

    Bears roommates Roquan Smith, Joel Iyiegbuniwe get to know each other during rookie minicamp
    https://www.thescore.com/s/5397550

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I would not put much stock in the whole roommates thing. One of my old roomies ended up addicted to heroin, last I heard he is in prison. Not sure how his roommate is now.

      • BenderMcLugh

        Well fine then, wet blank

      • Irish Sweetness

        They say prison roomies get to know each other better than married couples, by some degree.

      • CanadaBear

        Back in the day I had 6 roommates and it was basically Animal House. At least one is dead and another is a hopeless alcoholic.

  • BerwynBomber

    If we aren’t seriously contending for a WC spot this year, the Pace Honeymoon is waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy over, IMO.

    I’ll cut Nagy some slack (and Bisky if he plays well).

    But four years of Pace and some 21-43 record to show for it? How many mulligans does he get?

    And this team seems about as stacked from a starter perspective about as well as most teams in the league. Time to win.

    • It’s been over for since last season when Pace decide to keep Fox (and topped off a his stellar FA class).
      He’s had built in excuses.
      1st yr. Team is gutted and old. Ok
      2nd yr. INJs. ( in spite of more than a few pointing out Fox’s idiocy)
      3rd yr. New QB! Lame duck coach.
      Pace will get another pass this yr when they win 6 games cuz it was “1st yr” HC , system, schedule, blah blah.

      I’m actually more interested in seeing Nagy’s in game coaching than the wins and losses.

      And naturally, Trub’s progression esp w accuracy and TDs.

      Those will be indicators going forward

      • BerwynBomber

        Unless Bisky becomes non-injured Wentz — and I would be surprised if that happens (though I do think post-McVey Goff is within range) — the year basically comes down to Nagy. If he’s the goods, we will be fine. If he’s not, then it could be Fox-like.

        I kinda agree with you about Pace potentially getting a pass but I think some will begin to question.

        I actually liked the guy’s FA and Draft. (though I think the Cam Meredith thing was totally contradictory and never bought the “brilliance” of the Fuller strategy.)

        But it’s time to win. Not just see “growth”.

        • It’s odd to think, but a GM can get a favorable HC-QB combo AND be mediocre .
          Just look at Ted Thompson.

          Pace just doesn’t wow. The first head sctratchers were Slausen, Grasu and Barth. But they were just prelude to a lot of other CRAP decisions like Wheaton, Glennon, Demps, Cooper, Sims, the Alshon and Fuller fiascos, and that’s not even judging his draft picks yet though none have come close to sniffing AP

          I guess we can delude ourselves into thinking the same brain who really thought Glennon and Fox were good options can somehow become Einstein and make genius moves going forward, but I mean, Grasu? Barth? Wheaton? Langford? Kwiat?

          Hopefully he transfigured into a GM God this off-season, but hard to believe w that track record

          • Irish Sweetness

            I cannot believe Dion Sims is still a Bear.

          • CanadaBear

            I think everyone on here feels the same way.

          • And I cannot believe Sitton and Meredith are not.
            “Trust the “process” rings hallow when that same process brought us the worst FA class in the NFL last season.

            I’m still somewhat hopeful cuz a good HC-QB combo can make up for a lot , but…

          • SC Dave

            Of all things Pace, I agree that this is one of the top 5 puzzlers.

          • leftcoastdave

            The dude is an experienced in-line TE. Overpaid? Perhaps. Trade material at some point? Perhaps.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m higher on Pace than you, but eventually one’s tenure has to be judged by his record.

            P.S. I’m not sure McCarthy is all that either. Rodgers over-inflated the value of a lot of players, coaches and FO people up in Lambeau.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think he gets a season to work out the kinks. It’s a tricky offense with lots of potential for growing pains. That means losses. Lose Jordan early and you’ve got real problems, shit happens. Definitely looking forward to seeing this offense, win lose or draw.

        Doing well in his first season would be a bonus.

        • SC Dave

          Stop writing about Howard injuries.

          It ain’t happening.

          • leftcoastdave

            Jordan Howard played in a hurry up slam the ball up the middle offense in Indiana against Big Ten big guys in the trenches plus a stacked box.
            It is amazing that he made it to the fifth round.
            Durability is not taught.

      • CanadaBear

        You and I are on the same page about Foxy but I never seriously thought Pace would fire him after two years. Esp with the dumpster fire he took over and the injury tsunami.

      • Juan Stone

        The Bears pretty much looked like a pile of dog crap that had gotten run over by the lawn mover when Cutler would get injured and couldn’t suit up after Foxy arrived. His offenses were offensive. Lol.(and I was never a Cutler chump).

        Foxy’s first year seemed to offer the most hope for turning things around but alas, it never happened.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It’s down to the injury Gods for me, Ber. Pace might get away with it if the injury bug leaves us alone. If we go injury free and do well, that does make our record look better than we are. Then again, he’d get another round of FA and a draft to fill in the gaps. Got to be a top pass rusher next season in round one. Got to be.

      • Johnnywad

        If we’re picking in the 20s next year, that’ll be difficult.

        • SC Dave

          Harder still at #32.

      • Juan Stone

        I think you meant “the injury gods” didn’t you Irish? Just sayin…

  • CanadaBear
    • KentuckyBearsFan

      “Jones: Are there any sour feelings? I saw the quote where you said you “inherited a mess.” I’m not sure how many people are going to argue that anyway, but you guys weren’t able to get out of fourth in the division.

      Fox: Well, it was. When we got there, it wasn’t very competitive. They were getting blown out. And I think we were competitive. The record, look, you go 6–10, 3–13 and 5–11. I’ve been around this league for 28 years. I get it. But we also inherited the [30th-ranked] defense in the league and now they’re a top-10 defense.

      Jones: And they have a quarterback now.

      Fox: And he went through a rookie season with 12 starts. We got to where he was plus-seven in turnover ratio, and that doesn’t happen. I’m not sure it’s ever happened with a rookie quarterback.”

      • ButtonShoes

        We were competitive? 6-10, 3-13, and 5-11, finishing last in the division all 3 of his years as HC is competitive to him? He still can’t honestly admit how badly he fucked up here.

    • BerwynBomber

      I begrudge few players, coaches or FO guys taking a job with the media after their days with one of the 32 organizations end. I don’t even mind seeing/listening to Wanny, even if he will forever strike me as well-intended idiot.

      But what sticks in my craw a little are the guys who basically despised the media during their active days in the league who then take a job with media as soon as their days in the league are done. Seems a little douche-y. Guys like Fox and Kruetz come immediately to mind, but even Lach and Cutty to an extent.

      But this is hardly a Bears-only problem. And hey, it’s the media gives them the payoff at the end, it’s on them.

      • Moss is another player who comes to mind.
        Agree. Kinda hypocritical, though Lach didn’t seem adversarial , just like he knew he wasn’t the best public speaker so didn’t like it much initially.
        Sometimes ppl grow into it.
        I hated public speaking like anyone else but when you have to get up in front classes , that no longer becomes an option.
        Kinda like it now. Feel like Mussolini lol

        • BerwynBomber

          Good points. And I really like Moss. And yeah there was a distinction with both Lach and Cutty. For different reasons.

          Semi-interested to see how Nagy is with the press.

          With Lovie and Fox it was like putting teeth. With Trestman it was often bizarre.

          • Johnnywad

            Nagy seems like he’ll do well with the press. Gets a lot easier if you’re winning games though.

      • ButtonShoes

        I mind seeing/listening to Wanny. He was a giant fucking failure of a HC. No one should be listening to him about anything.

      • willbest

        Cutler had the jay Cutler show on ESPN for like 3 years while he was a player. I don’t think you can put him in the group that hates the media. You are basically defining him by the first 3 years in the league

        • CanadaBear

          I think when you’re getting paid by the media to talk to the media, it’s a little different story. Either way, it doesn’t bother me if these guys become talking heads. Hopefully they are good at it.

          • willbest

            Perhaps, but he didn’t seem particularly standoffish in post game pressers from about 2010 or 11 on. But I suspect his agent and/or his PR savvy girlfriend/wife convinced him he needed to do better, and he did.

          • CanadaBear

            He was a petulant child when he first arrived and got better. After the first season or two with the Beloved I thought he was fine with the media. When Nessman/Kromer lost their minds and went public about Jay, Cutler made them look foolish. Overall, I think he earned most of the media BS early in his career and the narrative never changed even though he did.

          • AlbertInTucson

            There are a lot of petulant media members now, more than ever.

          • Johnnywad

            I’ll be 45 this year. I can remember news men, I guess we call them media personalities now, of the late 70’s. And others too. Johnny Carson, Paul Harvey. These guys all had their thing. But they all seemed like rocks to me back then. No bullshit.

            Today, it all seems so cheap, and phony.

            I’m pretty sure mine will be the last generation to remember watching and reading legitimate journalism and quality entertainment live.

          • Diabetes Cutler

        • BerwynBomber

          Mostly agree. I said Cutler and Lach were different degrees.

          I never really had a problem with Jay’s pressers. But he seemed put-out by them on numerous occasions.

          Will be interesting to see if that Fox announcing gig is still open for him. A quick google revealed nothing.

    • ButtonShoes

      I hope a piano falls on top of him. Fuckin’ loser.

      • CanadaBear

        Jesus BS he’s just a crappy coach not a serial killer.

        • ButtonShoes

          The piano doesn’t have to kill him. Maybe just give him a severe limp or something.

        • SC Dave

          Haven’t you blocked that guy yet?

          • CanadaBear

            He’s fine. Just a tad harsh! I don’t agree with him about the upcoming season but that’s no big deal. My biggest issue with posters is on game day so I’m kinda scarce around here until the next day.

          • Juan Stone

            Jess, he’s a far cry from the food fight that’s currently going down on the Temple mount. (Correction, alleged food fight)

          • leftcoastdave

            We have had the last four presidents all say they supported putting our embassy in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. President Trump is the first to keep his word.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I think it’s mostly symbolic. All the real diplomatic stuff will stay in Tel Aviv.

          • Juan Stone

            You got the Rojo’s on one side and the Baxters on the other side and in the middle is Good Ole Uncle Sam. It ain’t gonna be pretty, no matter what side you butter your bagel on.

          • leftcoastdave

            Too funny. I looked up to what CB was responding to and saw “this user blocked.”

      • Dunno about a piano. Maybe a violin or some woodwind instrument.

        • beninnorcal

          An oboe.

          • leftcoastdave

            Riding the rails?

  • leftcoastdave

    Post draft season prediction:

    Packers, YUGE first game with more experience on the D and in the trenches against a rebuilt team with the golden child. WWWW 1-0
    Seahawks – not who they used to be and traveling to Chicago. W 2-0
    Zona – W 3-0
    Bucs in Chicago, not the swamp. W 4-0
    BYE WEEK. Time to analyze your tendencies and add more options, heal a few dings.
    Pats come to town. OK, first L. 4-1
    Jets come to town. W 5-1
    Buffalo, there. Tough game but a W. 6-1
    Loins at home. W 7-1

    Viqueen come to town. L. 7-2
    Loins – Turkey day short week. Tough call. T 7-2-1
    Long rest after Thanksgiving day game. Team gets healthy and again is able to reassess tendencies for additional potential adjustments.
    Giants there. W 8-2-1
    Lambs in Chicago in December. T 8-2-2
    Packers come to Chicago. W 9-2-2
    9ers on the left coast. T 9-2-3
    Viqueen on the road. L 9-3-3

    Which way do the three T’s go?

  • AlbertInTucson

    The “Tiger, Tiger…”

    Whoo-hoo!

    Tiger is back!

    Yep.

    7 strokes and 10 players back, to be exact.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, Starz is free on DISH this weekend and I am watching CRASH for the first time.

    What a DEPRESSING movie THAT is.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      oh there are way more depressing films than that.

      Like Requiem for a Dream.

      Or more recently The Florida Project. But I guess it was more dark than depressing really.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The Florida Project? I just watched that. I was led to believe the end was far worse than it was.

        Depressing? I’ll go with Midnight Express. OR the end of The Mist. Classic.

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