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How The Masters is Like the NFL (And a Few Other Thoughts)

| April 5th, 2018

Here are a bunch of Around the League thoughts for this random April Thursday.

  • I love the Masters. But I don’t care for the people who run the tournament, Augusta National Golf Club. I love professional football. I can’t stand the people who operate the league, it’s thirty-two owners and league office. These are by-and-large shitty, old, racist white guys shepherding a great product.
  • This “lowering the head” penalty has been universally panned by players and the NFL’s attempt to rule change brain injuries out of the game (see: kickoff removal) reminds me of golf’s debate over the ball going too far. You can’t legislate strength and speed out of sports. There are more head injuries in the league now, and the ball goes further off the driver face, because the players are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before in human history. In the NFL they are hitting each other at 25 MPH.
  • Don’t look now but the Panthers are going to sell for north of $2.5 billion. The Bears, should the McCaskey family ever show interest in selling, would fetch $4 billion, even without owning a lucrative piece of real estate.
  • Has there ever been a team attack the NFL off-season like this Rams club? And does anybody really think it’s going to work? One lesson the NFL should learn from this approach: the key to modern success is winning on a good QB’s rookie deal. Once that QB gets his $100 million, the chances of winning consistently drop precipitously.
  • What’s been almost as amazing is the Seahawks embracing a down year, referring to 2018 as a “reset”. With Jimmy G. exciting the Bay Area, not hard to imagine Seattle trafficking down the bottom of the NFC West this year.
  • Derwin James is a special player and he was profiled here on DBB during this college football season.
  • An NFL GM texted me this week: “Everything coming out of the Giants right now is bullshit. Don’t believe any of it.” He’s right.
  • When asked if the Redskins were better with Alex Smith than Kirk Cousins, Jay Gruden responded, “Without a doubt.” One day there will be a 30-for-30 on Cousins’ time with Washington. And I will watch the hell out of it because I simply don’t understand his tenure with that team.
  • Saw an ESPN segment debating whether Mitch Trubisky will throw 20 TDs this season. He’s going to fly by that number is he stays healthy.

  • Team to watch when it comes to this draft: Buffalo. They have the assets to make a move for a QB. But will they? For the record, Buffalo should give A.J. McCarron a shot at that job.
  • Jon Gruden has asserted his dominance in Oakland by…cutting the punter. Seriously? Gruden hasn’t coached in the league for a decade and was 45-51 over his last six seasons. What could go wrong?
  • The NFL scheduling folks will most likely send the Giants or Cowboys to Philly to open the season but those games are big ratings grabbers no matter when they’re played. Why not give Deshaun Watson the stage to open 2018? Texans at Eagles. (The schedule should be released in about two weeks.)
  • Todd Bowles said the Jets traded up to the 3rd pick with “6-7 players in mind”. They had the 6th pick. What?!?
  • Masters pick? Justin Rose. Dark horse? Xander Schauffele.

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  • SC Dave

    Firstly: The plantation schtick is worn out.
    Secondly: IMO, no way the McCaskeys sell before Virginia dies.
    Thirdly: I’m glad we didn’t get Gruden, especially at the ridiculous amount of money he is being paid.
    Fourthly: Sounds like Todd Bowles is making shit up.

    • That Guy

      Firstly, you dispute that the old white guys who own most of the NFL aren’t racist? Not that all of them are, but we have evidence that quite a few of them are. Richardson, McNair, Jones are just three recent examples of being quoted saying racist crap. You think these guys are outliers?

      Secondly through Fourthly, completely agree.

      Fifthly, Jeff needs a copy editor. 4th sentence: “its” instead of “it’s”. 9th bullet point: “fly by that number IF he stays healthy”

      Sixthly, I have a hard time getting interested in anything involving Kirk Cousins.

      • SC Dave

        No one forces you to like football.

        • Big Mike

          Kirk Cousins is a good QB. He’s vanilla. Does everything pretty good. Nothing spectacular. Somewhere between a game manager and “elite”. Off the field, he’s solid. But where he has been spectacular is hosing down the Redskin’s front office and managing his career. His timing has been exceptional, he took 2 gigantic franchise tag payouts and didn’t do anything to damage his reputation on or off the field, putting the skins in a bind. Which got him sent to a Super Bowl contender. The Vikings are going to be hard to beat next year.

          • willbest

            Hats off to Cousins and his agent.

        • evantonio

          You don’t know that. You don’t know the factors driving his days.

      • Maybe some owners are prejudiced, but there were great owners like out George Halas and the Mara family and lots of the old AFL guys were NFL versions of Branch Rickey. Richardson saying inmates running the asylum comment is not an inherently racist term, but clearly he did not think through the context of the situation, namely the knee-takers are black. I say stupid shit regularly, and apologize. I don’t think he should have to sell his team over it.

  • I think the Gruden hiring was the worst move any team made this offseason. The man is a mediocre NFL coach who’s been out of the league for a decade, and you just guaranteed him $100M. What could go wrong?

    • That Guy

      That’s so Raiders.

    • SC Dave

      Just glad it wasn’t the Bears.

    • willbest

      Davis is flush with cash after screwing over the mob though. He is definitely in go big or go home mode.

    • BerwynBomber

      Doesn’t count against the cap, does it? And do you really think Del Rio was a significantly better HC than Gruden?

      To me, they overpaid for him (given the current market and length of contract). And he was stupid to leave his MNF perch.

      But, in general, HCs are underpaid in this league when you consider their importance.

      Bill Belichick has been the single most valuable employee in the league the last two decades. He as not only been its best HC but also its best GM.

      Would anyone be truly foolish enough to think that, say, Kirk Cousins is more valuable to a team than Bill Belichick? If you could go back in time and could hire Belichick for the Bears how much would you pay him per year?

      All of which is to say, HC’s pulling in QB money doesn’t really bother me.

      Plus, doesn’t the Gruden contract work out to $10M per? That’s basically the AAV of Josh McCown.

      • willbest

        Nobody knows how much Hoodie makes. Supposedly its in the 12.5 million range, but nothing to confirm that. Also, there is a man behind the man that does the personnel stuff for Hoodie.

        Ernie Adams. In fact, if you read some of the stories about him it almost makes him sound like the puppet master.

        https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html

        • BerwynBomber

          Paywall.
          But the guy works for Belichick is my guess. And does specific leg work, much an OC or DC might do for an HC.
          Carroll has the same set-up in SEA. (Far as I know he and Belichick are the only current HC/GMs in the league.) Carroll is the VP of Football Operations for SEA. Basically, the GM reports to him. So the GM, to a degree, is really an Asst. GM.
          Btw, I recently heard Mangini talk about Belichick’s interest in the cap. Said that Hoodie was an Accounting major at Wesleyan and gets into it as much as he does X’s and O’s. Apparently, he individually caps every position and every roster spot and once a player and his or her agent demand more, he usually cuts bait. Hence, NE’s ruthless roster turnovers during their dynasty.

          • willbest

            odd… I didn’t have that problem.

            Ernie is the stats guy. He does the film study and research on opposing teams, is an expert on the rules. He creates the value chart that prevents the Patriots from overpaying. He has been Hoodie’s shadow forever. They went to prep school together. But nobody outside of Hoodie knows exactly what he does because he doesn’t even really interact with the coaches, and almost never the players. Even people like Tom Brady who have been around him for 15 odd years don’t have a lot to say on him.

            NPR interview the reporter of that piece.

            https://www.npr.org/2016/01/16/463290737/the-man-behind-the-patriots-curtain-who-s-ernie-adams

          • willbest
          • BerwynBomber

            Right, the leg work guy.

            Anyway, getting off the beaten path a bit. I’ll stand by my original contention that Gruden’s salary isn’t outlandish in the large scheme of things and not very detrimental to OAK.

            Also don’t buy that he is a mediocre HC. Five division titles in eleven years, 1 SB win, three Conference champ appearances, and a winning record with two separate franchises isn’t “mediocre”.

            But hey, whole other debate, and I too am dubious of his return, regardless. Just not for that reason.

          • willbest

            My only issue with Gruden is how do you trust he hasn’t lost his fastball.

          • BerwynBomber

            My issue too.

            But I think it is truly meatball to consider his past “mediocre” just because he criticized Jay Cutler one night during the Trestman era and/or you don’t like him as an announcer. Two different things.

          • SC Dave

            Coach 1:
            Six division titles in 12 years, 9 playoff appearances, 1 super bowl win, three conference championship losses, .633 winning percentage, 10-8 in playoffs.

            Gruden:
            Five division titles in 11 years, 5 playoff appearances, 1 super bowl win, two conference championship losses, .540 winning percentage, 5-4 in playoffs.

            If you think Gruden is better than mediocre, you have to say Coach A is likewise better than mediocre given his better performance.

            So who is Coach 1?

          • BerwynBomber

            If it’s McCarthy, please.

            He had Rodgers and Favre as his two QBs. Gruden had Gannon and Johnson, among others.

    • It’s extremely risky. Has any HC made a successful comeback?
      The only SB winning HC who tried to comeback who I can think of is Gibbs, and he flamed out spectacularly.

      That being said, Gruden unlike most other coaches wasn’t just fishing. He ran that Gruden QB school and did his homework on league trends and schemes . Plus I’m sure his bros talked shop with him so he was kinda like one of those lawyers on tv practically living law just not practicing it. May not take him long to find his groove again.

      OTOH, his groove was always a bit suspect.
      Critics say he rode on Dungy’s cotails and once Dungy’s team disintegrated, so did Gruden’s winning.

      Guess we’ll see.

      I’m interested to see if he incorporates RPO or if he’s gonna go full Martz

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I am going to disagree with the whole riding Dungy’s coattails stuff. He never had a losing record with the Raiders and brought them to the playoffs the 2 years before he signed on to coach Tampa.

        • SC Dave

          See my post earlier? Who is Coach 1?

        • CanadaBear

          Like a lot of guys, if you’ve got the horses …

          I’ve got nothing against Chucky. It will be interesting to see if he can win.

    • Irish Sweetness

      $100M?

      Nice one Chucky.

  • willbest

    ” These are by-and-large shitty, old, racist white guys shepherding a great product.”

    signal that virtue. And quite frankly the most offensive part of this sentence is calling what I have been watching league wide the last 3-4 years a great product. There are some great games, but on average its been awful.

    “You can’t legislate strength and speed out of sports.”

    But you can legislate body weight and the NFL should. Less mass, less force in the collisions.

    “Don’t look now but the Panthers are going to sell for north of $2.5 billion.”

    The Packers profits is in the 40-50 million range. So At 50-70 times net earnings that is exceptionally reasonable considering its has a lot value as a status symbol.

    “Saw an ESPN segment debating whether Mitch Trubisky will throw 20 TDs this season. He’s going to fly by that number is he stays healthy.”

    His top 2 targets are coming back from ACL tears and his 3rd option is 1 LB decent hit away from death. He threw 7 TDs in 12 games, I think 20 is a good number to be batting around at this time.

    “Why not give Deshaun Watson the stage to open 2018?”

    Wait so the Giants or Cowboys are too much of a gamble but a team where you don’t know if the QB1 or the best defensive player on the team are going to return to form is the way to go?

  • CanadaBear

    The Rams remind me of the Philly Dream Team under Kelly. Hope it has the same result. Not sure why people think the McCaskey’s will sell the Beloved. It’s a major cash cow with major cache’. It opens doors for them wherever they go. I don’t see them selling the team any time soon.

    • willbest

      Because there are 14 heirs or something. That is a lot of egos, and as I mentioned below there are significantly more profitable ventures for you money. Even after they pay the tax man, they could nearly double their income stream.

      • CanadaBear

        Being a rich nobody is not as appealing as being a rich somebody.

        • willbest

          Keep in mind there are only about 5,000 households worth in excess of $100 million the US. They are all somebody’s no matter what they do. They will maintain their “old money” status even after they no longer own it the team.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt but most people don’t give a shit about that. Most people know the Bears in Chicago and would love to have some kind of a connection to the team. Esp if that included some perks.

        • SC Dave

          For me it would be far preferable. The worst thing, in my universe, about being very rich is the fame that often comes with it.

          • CanadaBear

            The McCaskey’s fame is almost perfect. Other than Virginia, George and possibly Mikey, the vast majority of people wouldn’t recognize them walking down the street.

          • BenderMcLugh

            “Hi Mr. Waters! Could you please sign my DVD copy of Cecil B. Demented please please?? I’m such a huge fan!”

            “I’m not John Waters, kid”

          • CanadaBear

            Love John Waters! Polyester is insanely funny.

  • leftcoastdave

    The heretical Jordan Howard trade speculation is back. I think he is clearly in play with a very deep RB class in the draft. Buffalo has the need, the picks and the desire to move up the board as does AZ. Dude puts his heart into the game and would be too bad if he goes. But he has value and is no longer a perfect fit.

    • BerwynBomber

      Like it or not, it would be a bold move. But it would also smell like the Olsen/Martz issue from back in the day. Another productive player (Howard) not fitting a coach’s system (Nagy’s).

      • CanadaBear

        Even worse, a much more productive player. The only RB in Bears history to have 1,000 yd rushing in his first two years.

        • Yeah but what happens in the two-min drill , no huddle or late hurry-up comeback mode? Howard is on the sideline watching.

          I dont think that’s what Nagy wants. He’ll want his stud in there on all occassions providing him max options

          Howard is still cheap and young though.

          • CanadaBear

            Why trade him with 2 more cheap years (very cheap, 5th rd).

          • Pace could see it as a trade off. Get a 3rd, draft Nagy HB .
            Getting a 3rd for Howard in itself might be viewed as a win since Howard was drafted later.

            I think the disconnect w most fans is they see Howard as the next Nigerian Nightmare but those days are gone.

            Pace, Nagy and the mod NFL view Howard as another Alfred Morris or Blount, and if you can trade those guys for a chance at Hunt or Kamara, they’ll do it.

          • willbest

            What are the odds of finding a Kamara or Hunt with what you get for Howard? How about we see if he can handle it when teams aren’t focusing 95% of their attention on our HB because our TEs and WRs are shit. He doesn’t need to be Shady McCoy or Forte. He just needs to be competent.

          • I’m not arguing for trading Howard, but I can def see it.

            Given that Kamara and Hunt were both drafted in the 3rd just last year, GMs are gonna think it’s trend they wanna ride.

            Pace has links to Saints so he saw what Kamara did for them (and saw Kamara vs Bears in person)

            Nagy saw Hunt transform that O 1st hand in KC.

            Again, both 3rd RDers.

            But it’s not as if they’re the ONLY HBs outside the 1st who have become good.

            Devonte Freeman was a 4rth RDer, Alex Collins a 5th, Dion Lewis a 5th, etc etc and GMs always think they can find the next gem.

            Possible HB targerts for Bears outside 1st.

            Ronald Jones
            Kerryon Johnson
            Sony Michel
            Nick Chubb
            Rashad Penny
            Royce Freeman

            Of course, they can always follow the Saint’s blueprint where Howard plays the Ingram role (though Ingram is still a superior catcher) and Cohen plays the Kamara role (though Kamara is superior to Cohen in nearly every way).

            I think it depends what Pace can get for Howard.

            If he can get an early 3rd, he’ll take the trade.
            If not, he may just keep Howard since he’s cheap and see how the O goes until next draft.

          • CanadaBear

            And for every RB you listed I can list as least as many drafted before the 5th rd that turned into nothing. You make it sound like it’s a done deal and it’s easy to find RB’s that can do it all. Uh, no.

          • SC Dave

            I would roll with Howard at least one season in the new system and see what he’s got.

            Given Jordan’s history, there is no reason to assume he won’t adapt and succeed, and many reasons to believe he will.

          • I would too. That’s the safe route to go. But keeping Sitton would’ve been the safe route to go also. Pace doesn’t do ‘safe’.

            Pacebot computes the numbers and acts accordingly.

            That’s why as the draft crept up last season, I began thinking more and more that the robotic thing to do would’ve been to draft a QB and not Adams or Thomas.

            The robotic Billichickean thing to do is trade Howard.

            I think it’s just a matter of him getting the draft pick he wants.

            Naturally, if Pace doesn’t, he’ll say Howard was his man all along, as a good GM should say.

          • leftcoastdave

            I think any trade would more likely be part of a package which includes swapping out the 8 and getting more than just a third, potentially even a pon of our own, Edge or LB. The Fish seemed interested by floating the last balloon, the Bills and Giants both need. The Giants might become draft rich with rumors of a trade with the Bills for their #2. Many possibilities out there and a ton of talent coming out this year. Given Howard’s salary, he would be a sure thing for teams in need of an anchor in the backfield who can then turn their attention to other needs.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is there anyone above us who would PAY us to drop down to 8 … taking Howard, giving us Barkley .. .essentially … who would pay to lose Barkley and get Howard?

          • leftcoastdave

            I don’t believe this is about getting Barkely. It’s about getting better than 3rd round value for Howard and drafting a better fit in the fourth or lower.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ???
            We draft Saquon Barkley. Clearly that must be what Pace is thinking. If he’s thinking of trading away Jorsdan WITHOUT replacing him with a stud immediately … then fuck that guy, seriously.

        • Irish Sweetness

          … which is unrelated to the requirements of the WCO, C-Bear.
          Don’t blame us, we didn’t call for the WCO, I think it’s a steep learning curve for MT et al myself. But JH doesn’t fit the profile. He’s a runner, pure and simple, and he gasses after 20 yards. Some body gives you a first when you used a 5th? It’s a no-brainer if we get Barkley.

          • CanadaBear

            Nobody is giving a first for Howard.

      • antityco

        I absolutely agree with your Olsen trade comparison. I think that trading Howard would be madness.

    • He’s on the tradeblock IMO. Like i said once Nagy signed, I cant think of ONE Andy Reid HB who had stone hands.
      However, the Eagles did rotate 3 HBs including Blount, so maybe Reid disciples are a bit more flexible when it comes to RBBC.

      Reid thoug always preferred that one stud 3 down back to carry the load (Westbrook, Charles, Hunt) and Howard is not that.

      My prediction is Pace trades Howard for a 3rd then drafts a HB like Ronald Jones in the 2nd and loads up on O.

      Those Kamara-Hunt types are all the rage now, and given the links to KC and the Saints Nagy-Pace have…

      • SC Dave

        I think the concept of trading Howard is idiotic.

        You take the guy with the most heart on the team and trade him away for a box of doughnuts?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Everyone has their price Dave. Barkley is better. As long as Pace is eyeing Barkley, and gets a first for Jordan, we’re cool.

      • evantonio

        If all you can get for Howard is a third, you hang up the phone and suffer the awful fate of having a dude who grinds out 100 yard games against 8 and 9 man boxes.

      • ButtonShoes

        Two words: Greg Olsen. If Pace and Nagy do this, they will never hear the end of it. Especially when both of them are out of a job.

        • BerwynBomber

          If history is any indication, Pace will get off scot-free if it doesn’t work out.

          The only person ever blamed for the Olsen move is basically Martz. Not the GM (or HC for that matter).

          • ButtonShoes

            Sadly, I think you’re right about that.

        • I think Nagy will get more of the blame.

          Obviously Pace liked Howard. He drafted him and wasn’t trying to replace him last yr.

          If Pace trades him, it will obviously be at the behest of Nagy much like Olsen was traded for Martz.

      • Irish Sweetness

        In rd 2 we need OL or DE/LB depending on which we drafted in the first.
        If he gets a 3rd (not worth trading IMHO) for Jordan then use that to draft your guy in 3.

        • I believe that. You believe that. Lotta Bears fan would prob agree.

          BUT, Pace seems to be in terminator mode.

          Could aggressively target a HB.

          The fans can boo him at a Bull’s game later.

    • Malice Halice

      I sounded so dumb a few months ago tho huh?! Told y’all that dude is gone

      • leftcoastdave

        I am not one of those who called it dumb. I love the guy, but his greatest value to the team today just might be in his trade value, given what Nagy wants to implement. Hell, I’d even like to see him do well if he played for the P – – P – – P – -. (No, I can’t say it.)

        • Irish Sweetness

          But what if Pace can’t get his price and then JH stays … but morale is low?

      • He MIGHT be gone. But other teams don’t value 2 down bruisers either.
        Half the NFL runs some version of the WCO/RPO, maybe even more.

        He’d have to go to a power run team who has a 3rd down back in place.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What’s going on? Sip my morning coffee to Conor McGregor terror attack … and now we’re trading Jordan?

  • willbest

    I think what I like best about this story is that NYC is dumping literal shit on Alabama.

    http://www.newser.com/story/257479/train-full-of-poop-from-nj-ny-stuck-in-alabama-town.html

    It does also demonstrate several pitfalls of urbanization. For example, what is going to happen when the shit train stops running?

  • BenderMcLugh

    holy Sergio Garcia hahah just put it in the drink for the third time (at least) all on one hole, he’ll be attempting his 11th shot. wow!

    • CanadaBear

      I’ll bet his swear words are getting a workout. Nothing like a losing a major on Thursday on one hole!

      • EnderWiggin

        I told my dad yesterday when we were golfing that Sergio is going to repeat. Oops!

    • AlbertInTucson

      So, you’re saying “No repeat.”…?

    • I wish I had peons who spent $130,000 covering up my affairs with porn stars without me knowing.

      As we all know, lawyers always do things out of the kindness of their hearts.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “I’ve never asked for or wanted respect”

    MAYBE you never asked but, really, I think we all WANT respect.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Draft: T Minus 3 Weeks.

    • Ugh. Didn’t the draft used to be at the START of April?

      I feel like every year draft season is longer and longer.

      I love the draft, but there’s only so much analysis and speculation I can muster.

      Also, didn’t they have like a chimp or something do the draft last yr?

      Mayock nearly lost his mind. Close to jumping the shark, or jumping the chimp…

      • AlbertInTucson

        That will STILL be April but, SOME of us remember when it was in JANUARY!

    • BenderMcLugh

      ARE WE THERE YET

  • So, piggy backing off the MAYBE Howard replacement list, I saw some tape on these guys.

    Ronald Jones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWXgb8gW70

    OMG! I saw some of him since he’s an SC guy (V for victory!), but man oh man is he EXPLOSIVE. Look at his tape and tell me you would’ve want him. He’s electric. Reminds me of Charles (yup, Reid’s stud once upon a time.

    Negative. Little light. 195 with a Reggie Bush type frame, which naturally leads to durability questions. He’s 6’1 though, so can possibly add more girth.

    Overall. He’s pretty much Barkley light. Electric. Wiggle. Vision. Can take anything to the house. Only fumbled twice in nearly 600 carries. Can catch. Willing blocker. Slated to go in the 2nd.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude. A 195 6’1 running back …. is it still April 1st ?

      • Well, I guess technically he weighed in at the combine at 205, but that’s not much different.

        That’s def a concern though, which is why he’s projected to go in the 2nd instead of the 1st.

        But one thing to keep in mind with the Bears is that we’re going to see A LOT of Cohen this yr. IMO, waaaay more than under Fox.

        I think Cohen will get at least 10 touches per game, and Benny will get his 2-3, so in some sense we don’t really NEED that cowbell back, though obviously that would be nice.

        I think what Nagy would look for is a HB who can get 15 touches per game and run his WCO to perfection and keep up DCs at night.

        • Irish Sweetness

          There’s some nice sizeable guys there in mid rounds at nice juicy think weights.

          And it looks like we might be drafting one now?

        • SC Dave

          V Howard? Loser. Bum.

    • Kerryon Johnson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt8BoCxXjKc

      Exciting back. Acc, balance, speed, vision, toughness, a wicked stiff arm. Can catch and block. I can def see him excelling in a WCO zone scheme.

      Drawbacks. Not bulky. He’s 215 but a “lean” 215. The comp on him is Tevin Coleman though he kinda resembles McFadden as well.

      Overall. Can def be a 3 down back. Just don’t hand him the ball 20+ times per game.

      Sony Michel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQxW1kbOh7A

      Not really all that thrilled with him. Jack of all, master of none type. Solid build. Some speed, agility, acc, vision, finishing, but nothing elite. Also, not really known as a catcher.

      Kinda Frank Gore/Ajajayi type. Not much more upside than Howard Pass.

      Nick Chubb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_wHSNVQjFQ

      Meh. Pretty much like Michel. Pass.

      • SC Dave

        V Howard? Bum. Loser.

      • BenderMcLugh

        from the top tier guys, Sony Michel would be my choice outside of Barkley of course.

        Not sure about the 2nd tier RBs this draft class.

        BTW – I really hope this is just smokescreen like the opposite of Pace showing no interest in Trubs and Howard is kept but causes some other teams to shit their pants and trade up with another team to land their RB

    • SC Dave

      Just fucking stop Butch. Do you hate Howard?

      Why add your energy to getting rid of him?

      Did you hate Forte too?

      Do you habitually hate the best fucking player on the goddamn roster?

      • I don’t hate Howard.

        I’m just checking the options out there IF he is traded. Due diligence.

        Not many HBs have a much higher upside than Howard so far.

        Jones def seems like one of them, but that’s a totally diff style.
        Johnson and Guice are the two other HBs who could carry the load and might fit better, but the rest sorta seem like plodders to me.

        In other words, their upside is not worth the risk.

        It’s also quite possible we draft these HBs even if we keep Howard.

        Pace goes more BPA after the 1st.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Oh Conor …..

    • Cocaine’s a helluva a drug…

      • Irish Sweetness

        Once more. Alcohol and cocaine are not your friends.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s all a set-up. Total WWE action.

  • leftcoastdave

    Tony Finau is in second place after turning his ankle past 90 degrees yesterday.

    Unbelievable.

    http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/23036903/tony-finau-masters-leaderboard-dislocating-ankle-par-3-contest

  • Irish Sweetness

    So, these aren’t rumors … Jordan Howard has deleted all Bears’ references from his Instagram. That means something.

    https://www.instagram.com/jh/

    • Walterfooball seems to think Howard is on the tradeblock. Suggested these teams as possible trade partners.

      http://walterfootball.com/nflpossibilities.php

    • SC Dave

      Howard will have hands this year, whether for the Bears (gawd I FUCKING hope so), or for another team that he will use to eliminate the Bears from the postseason

      • Irish Sweetness

        I was prepared to go with JH getting the jugs machine down, Pace seems to be playing with fire.

  • And the last HB I’m sharing Derrius Guice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUINiTJ5TZ4

    VIOLENT runner. Just wants to punish Ds. Unfortunately, this has lead to some INJs as his 2016 tape portrays his truer self. Acceleration, vision, with some wiggle.

    Has break away speed (4.49), though not elite.

    Good solid build. Is he much of a pass catcher though?

    The comp on him is Marshawn Lynch, and I can see why.

    Guice can def be a franchise HB, though not sure if he’s a great fit for a WCO.

    • On a side note, I wonder if the new lowering helmet rule will lower the stock of bruisers going forward. Guice will be a good baramoter.

      After all, how many ejections would Marshawn Lynch have racked up?

      Take away the Beast, all you’re left with is the Mode.

      • SC Dave

        I was going to add all that. If peeps are willing to trade howard for fucking doughnuts and an unknown?

        Gawd , its just so stupid.

        Like those that wanted to dump the all time Bears scoring leader for fucking bums that couldn’t kick straight in a damn dome, let alone in a Chicago winter along the lake.

  • SC Dave

    FOR FUCK’S SAKE.

    Jordan Howard, with only ONE possible exception (DOH, on the DEFENSE) is the best player on the fucking team.

    And some think we should trade him.

    Really?

    GO WATCH THE FUCKING STEELERS GAME from last season and tell me you want some ‘system’ piece of shit.

    Like Manumanulahwhatthefuck?

    Didnt people learn ANYTHING?

    I’m so ready to give up on some of you… and its sad, after all the years we’ve suffered together

    • All this talk is because Howard took down all his Bears pics on IG.

      Could be nothing. But, very odd.

      Usually only ppl who break up take down pics.

      If Howard didn’t do that, no one would really be speculating if he’s going to be traded or not.

      Though the rumors began before that due to scheme fit, which like it or not, NFL teams believe in.

      • Irish Sweetness

        What is another legitimate reason for deleting any evidence of your employer?

        Theory: Pace is shopping JH for business diligence. Asset appraisal. In this case, Pace is silly, JH gonna be butt-hurt about that.

        • BenderMcLugh

          it’s all a big fucking ruse, ala Trubisky-style.

      • SC Dave

        It is definitely odd.

    • Irish Sweetness

      You’re not on the same page as us Dave.

      Ryan Pace wants to trade him. Not us. Some of us mentioned JH has trade value – he does – right now. In two years his career/body will likely have seen its best days.

      What did JH cost us? A 5th?

      What does he do? He runs the ball effectively for about 15-20 yards and then starts to gas out. He is not a dependable/naturally gifted receiver out of the backfield.

      IFF somebody offers you a significantly higher draft pick than you paid for a rapidly-depreciating asset .. you take it.

      IFF you end up with Saquon Barkley … you hit the jackpot … is JH better than Barkley? Do you think that?

      Flip side:
      Pace deals JH for a 3rd … doesn’t get anywhere near Barkley .. .drafts a guy in the 2nd or 4th … that maybe works out.

      Now that is crazy. Deal JH if we get more significantly than his cost (a 1st only). Bu tthta won;t happen, a team will not give up a first when they can draft a new guy.

  • Irish Sweetness

    (Dave, look elsewhere for a moment …)

    What-Ifs

    NYG offer you OBJ for Jordan straight up?

    SEA offer you Earl Thomas for JH straight up?

    • OBJ, forget that. He hits the trifecta

      Primadonna and emotionally unstable.
      Seems to be INJ.
      Gonna want to be PAID.

      Next.

      Earl Thomas is a stud, but we have an emerging talent in Jackson.

      Where the hell were these guys last yr when we needed them?

      I seriously doubt Pace trades Howard for another player. He loves him some draft. He wants more picks. He wants to snorts lines and lines of picks.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But the third rounder. Dave’s right, if he ditches him for a third … Pace wants shooting. Nobody gives us a first (although a few teams would be in the mix), and if he deals him for less … just … fuck.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    The main reason I don’t want the Bears to trade Howard is I really don’t want to hear Dave crying about it for the next 2 years.

    • SC Dave

      Whatever works. 🙂

      • BenderMcLugh

        lol

  • leftcoastdave

    Don’t forget the Harry connection and his knowledge of Irish players who may go for value like Josh Adams projected 3-5th round:
    Josh Adams*, RB, Notre Dame

    Height: 6-2. Weight: 213. Arm: 33.75. Hand: 9.25.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.57.
    Projected Round (2018): 3-5.

    3/10/18: Adams ran really well in 2017, with the Fighting Irish
    fielding one of the best ground attacks in the nation. Behind a
    tremendous offensive line, Adams was a tough runner, using his size to
    be a downhill power back while still possessing enough quickness to
    break off long runs. Adams averaged 6.9 yards per carry for 1,430 yards
    with nine touchdowns on the year. He had 13 receptions for 101 yards as
    well. Adams ran for 933 yards as a sophomore after putting up 835 yards
    as a freshman.

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