• SC Dave

    I sure as fucking hope so.

    Okay, now earn the trust The Only Team That Matters has extended to you.

  • ButtonShoes

    I don’t get the Peckers’ logic here. Ryan Pace himself couldn’t have negotiated a deal this friendly to the Bears. Either they want us to keep Fuller real badly or they just clowned themselves.

    • BerwynBomber

      1. They wanted him
      2. They have limited cap space
      3. He cost us more than the tag

      • ButtonShoes

        1. Well, OK.
        2. So they sign him to this deal, and they…what? Forget the Bears can match it, and if they do, get a really team-friendly deal? It reeks of stupidity, which the Peckers’ usually possess a lot less of than us.
        3. Yes he does. But only $5 mil more. And in the process you lock him up for now. Which is what Pace wanted to do. I don’t get Green Bay’s logic here. I think they fucked up.

        • BerwynBomber

          2. Because they wanted the team-friendly deal themselves. Plus, we are on the hook for $5M more than the tag, and if you mean “lock him” up in years to come I assume it will get much pricier given the 18 guaranteed vs 56 overall discrepancy.

          3. See previous.

          Like I said in the previous thread, their move made us spend a little more on him than we would have otherwise. Not a huge deal but it was a win-win-lose proposition for them. And they hit on the lesser of the wins.

          Btw, I’m not sure the Cheese possess less stupidity than us. They have some bad contracts up there — Cobb, Matthews, Adams (IMO), and they just spent a huge chunk of their FA money on an aging TE who can’t block.

          Plus, they have absolutely nothing at CB. They’re much bigger mess than many given them credit for.

          • For sure. When LeBlanc can be your #1 CB, you’re in deep shit, and explains the hail mary for Fuller.

            Just relieved the offer wasn’t like $16M/yr made out of desperation.

          • BerwynBomber

            Exactly. But they were stuck too because we could have made them eat it if the offer was absurd. Plus, stating the obvious (but it might be loss in the score-keeping), they wanted him.

            Interesting bit of GM poker on a Friday.

          • Bear Instincts

            When FA started there were reports that the Cheese were looking at LeBlanc

          • BerwynBomber

            LOL. Honestly? That’s funny. But yeah, I could understand. He’d be an upgrade over most of what they have.

            If they were smart they would pick about 4 CBs in the Draft. (I think DAL did that last year with some success.) But knowing the Cheese they will spend three or four picks on WRs instead.

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        They wanted us to spend it on Fuller so we wouldn’t spend on OL.

        • ButtonShoes

          But only $5 mil more? We were going to end up paying him $13 mil under the transition tag. No way spending $5 mil extra keeps us from signing OL help.

        • chitownproud85

          In a cap flush year, we spent slightly more now and slightly less over the duration of the deal. Its pretty much as good as we could hope for when someone reaches free agency and is therefore extremely likely to be overpaid regardless. The deal in no way hurts us immediately, and due to the structure, isnt going to be painful over the long haul thanks to the guarantees. Dis was gud. There really isnt much more to say(unless you thought they could let Kyle walk, and then my question is: replace him with who??)

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          They are not that smart. They are one player away from the basement year in and year out. They just gave away a viable defensive starter to obtain the services of DeShone Kizer.

          Does not compute.

    • Depends what you mean by “friendly”

      “Before Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller signed an offer sheet with the Packers, the best offer the Bears had made to him averaged $10 million per year, per a source with knowledge of the negotiations. Fuller emerges instead with a four-year deal worth $14 million per year.”


      So one could look at this as the Puke forcing Pace to eat up an extra $4M/yr in cap. Also, not sure about the structure yet, but it looks like he won’t be able to be cut without a yuge cap hit till after 3 yrs.

      Pace seems to prefer front loading the guarantees/bonus with the option of cutting the player after 2 yrs. while saving cap.

      This is sorta the opposite.

      A contract with lil guarantees but bigger cap hit and longer contract.

      Realistically though, Pace wasn’t expecting to pay Fuller $10M/yr.

      I think he would’ve preferred something like what he offered Alshon. $12M/yr with more upfront and option to cut in case he bombs.

      The Puke just happened to make him sign THEIR contract –

      But the end result is $14M/yr with a bargain guarantee.

      Perhaps a lil more than Pace had in mind in years and $, but not over the top.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, it’s not the worst deal around, but I can do without the Pace-just-played-chess-to-the-Cheese’s-checkers jazz.

        I always suspected the transitional tag was a sign of an indecisive hedge. But that’s tea leaves reading, of course.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          To me, it seems as simple as a gentlemen’s agreement. Pace wanted him to stay. Fuller wanted to stay. They couldn’t agree on terms so they agreed to let the market dictate the terms.

          Sometimes, things are exactly as they appear.

          • It could’ve been that way. It could’ve been Fuller said, “I won’t sign until I get a market value” and Pace agreed, “OK. we’ll match that offer”

            Could’ve been that.

            But it also could’ve been Pace trying to indeed sign him to $10M/yr, and Fuller/Puke forcing his hand to pay $14M/yr.

            Like I said in the previous thread, we’ll likely never know.

            Of course Pace will say this was the plan all along and Fuller is worth the price to admission.

            But this contract def seems different than his other ones (which I actually agree with. Frontloaded. Minimal cap penalties).

  • Malice Halice

    That’s a lot of money there. Hope a lot of teams was calling for him! Sad we didn’t sign Sheldon Richardson for that discounted price. That viqueens D-line lookin fierce. Guess we most likely will draft Nelson at 8

    • SC Dave

      Unfortunately, Nelson won’t be there. I would be totally unsurprised if he goes #2 in the draft.

      • Bear Instincts

        Trade up for him

        • BenderMcLugh

          For our 1 & 4, absolutely

          • Bear Instincts

            We have 2 fours this year

  • evantonio

    18mm signing bonus + 1mm base salary + 1mm bonuses = 20mm in year one.

    Nothing is guaranteed beyond the signing bonus, so it’s still a Prove It deal a la the tag, but the Bears then can choose to keep or cut him after one year, vs having to do a new contract.

    Make it worth it, Kyle. Make Emery proud.

    • Bear Instincts

      When Kyle gets the SB game winning INT, should we send Emery a gift basket??

      • Emery also gifted Pace Leno.

        Fuller and Leno are probably as good as any Pace draft pick (Just threw up a lil in my mouth) and at key positions.

        Got Long too.

        His downfall was just, well…we all know…

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, shit … Long. What a career it could have been. Though our coaching staffs didn’t help by playing musical chairs with the guy.

          • I think part of moving him around was his draft profile.

            He really looks more like a LT. He’s like 6’6 300 with swift feet, long limbs and a great punch

            Many originally predicted that’s where he would end up ultimately.

            So Trestman and gang started him off at RT I think.

            But Long was so inexperienced, he wasn’t anywhere near ready. So then they began moving him around.

            In retrospect, probably fucked up his progress.

            He also was late to football. I guess his body just wasn’t meant for the NFL rigors.

            Kinda like a gladiator. Can’t just drop someone into the arena with little fighting experience.

            Sucks cuz the spirit is willing.

          • SC Dave

            Hopefully, the last regime’s attempts to ruin Whitehair the same way are now only history.

        • DBears

          DIdn’t howard just go over 1000 yrds again mostly against 18 people in the box? To say Fuller with 1 good year and Leno who really is best described as steady and perhaps slight above average are as good as say Howard? I’d even throw Goldman in there as a steady/average player. Eddie Jackson I think had a solid rookie year and similar stats to Fuller… shit even Amos counts as steady! We can’t really say too much about this past years class, we need more time. I’m curious to see how Kwiatkoski looks this year too. I guess point being, I think Pace has had maybe a little more success… and he seems to hit more in the mid-rounds versus Emery with a Fuller and Long as #1… maybe the team needs to just trade out of 8 for a few 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks because all of Pace’s 1st round selection end up with the training staff for most of the year.

          • SC Dave

            They didnt have 18 in the box, but there were s lot.

            Howard is the best Bears pick since Matt Forte, even without considering the round.

          • DBears

            Damn, Dave. Maybe I was a bit harsh Before! I agree on both your points

          • CanadaBear

            I think Howard/Pace/MT are going to surprise a lot of people. If Howard is facing a loaded box, I’m sure the play will not go forward into the teeth of it like last year. They will option to something else. After that, things will get really interesting. I’m hoping MT will be the best in the last decade+ but totally agree about the Howard pick.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We’re paying Kyle Fuller twenty million dollars next year. I hope he’s the best pick.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Leno was a gift? I dunno man. Wow. That’s like .. .reaching for the gutter.

          We can (and should) do better.

  • chitownproud85

    Welcome back Kyle. Happy to see a homegrown returning and having the opportunity to reach that potential that we’ve seen so many glimpses of. Also, fuck the Packers. Appreciate you doing all the negotiating and then letting the Bears reap all the goodwill as they immediately match and sign. Fuller knows there was no fucking way he was leaving, market set his value, and our division opponent gets to dumpster dive for starting CBs. Fuck off cheese.

  • OK, here’s the deal.

    About the money per year I predicted back on February 1. I said $13-13.5M per year, it ended up at $14M per. That’s fine.

    I wrote then that it would have either 2 or 3 years effectively guaranteed by contract structure, and Bears should push for 2 years because Fuller only has 1 high level season, just like Bouye did in FA last year (and he got 2 years).

    GB’s structure effectively guarantees three years, or else the Bears eat $9M in dead cap room if they cut him after 2 years.

    So hats off to GB. They handed Fuller a player-friendly contract knowing the Bears would match, and if Fuller bombs, the Bears are on the hook for an extra year.

    If Fuller plays well, it’s not a problem. It only matters if he bombs hard. So not super likely, but worth it for GB on the off chance.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, Fuller’s not signing that offer if he thinks he can get a better deal without it.

      Word is he rejected an offer from the Saints.

      Also heard Pace originally offered him 40/4 so a 10 AAV. But didn’t hear the guaranteed money.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Thinking of all the interceptions he dropped last year….if he makes those he could be a legend.

    Not going to blame him for sitting out a year with this team’s medical staff.

    He was too hard to replace.

    • SC Dave

      Last sentence says it all. Hopefully, now that we have him locked up for 4 years, he catches EVERY INT chance and the Packers cry and cry that they didn’t make their offer sheet too big for Pace to counter.

  • Bears basically have their entire D back from last year save Unrein (other guys cut were hurt and barely played).

    And most of them under contract for 2+ years (exceptions are Callahan, Amos Goldman). With young players who should be getting better (Bullard, RRH, Jackson, Fuller, Kwiatkoski).

    Let’s see what talent they can add to that in the draft.

    • BerwynBomber

      Said this a couple of times already, but setting the QB position aside, we have the second most talented team in the division in regard to starters.

      And that it not a criticism of Bisky. He just has a ways to go to reach the level of guys like Cousins and Stafford.

      • SC Dave

        Hopefully Mitch has the goods to get there.

        I think the physical tools are available. It’s the mental part I wonder about.

        OTOH, the big ? about MT all along was lack of experience. Maybe that’s all it is.

        • CanadaBear

          I thought he improved all season and by the end looked decent when you consider the personnel around him and the offense that was being run. His accuracy increased as the happy feet calmed down and overall made good decisions. In the new O making good decisions is at least as important as his accuracy. Really like the fact that Nagy will take advantage of his athletic ability.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If not, it’s the Chase Daniels train. I’ll watch that!

    • You got a fav for the draft at #8?

      Are you in the Nelson or Edmund camp (or leaning elsewhere)?

      If Bullard and RRH can reach their potential, that would go a long way to being a top 5D going forward.

      I think their progression is the most crucial this yr.

      But we’ve been through this before – waiting for Sutton, Ego Ferguson or Cornwash to emerge into something besides a JAG.

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        RRH is my pick to click.

        • leftcoastdave

          RRH is quick as a hiccup and long as Butter Bean Love. After muscling up for the second off season now it will be interesting to see how he gets utilized and plays. Bullard was starting out with a great year until he strained his glute. That is as bad or worse than a hammy for a D lineman because it is the biggest muscle in the body and the source of the surge he was getting.
          I think they will both step up this year as they mature into their huge bodies.

        • He looks beastly. Then again, so did Cornwash.

          It would be nice for a Bears player to fucking surprise us (in a good way)

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’ve got Kevin. Somebody’s got to have Kevin.

    • BuddhaJoe

      We lost Christian Jones to Detroit too. Not crippling by any means but I would have liked him to stay.

    • That Guy

      This needs a giant EXCEPT.

      As in: “EXCEPT AT LB, Bears basically have their entire D back from last year save Unrein”

      I know the OLB position opposite Lenny didn’t do much, so it won’t be too hard to replace that production, but there aren’t many BODIES at OLB. Ditto with ILB. With no moves on the position in FA, the draft has GOT to net a starter at ILB or OLB, and at least 1-2 other bodies that can play those positions.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I think that was a gamble on both sides. Don’t think the fudge were playing games, I think they really wanted him. Whether or not Pace was right to call them remains to be seen. I’m about 60/40 in favor of the Bears keeping him, but we’ll see.

    • evantonio

      Money is only guaranteed for one year, so if he reverts to shit fuller we cool

  • As the bard says, all’s well that end’s well, so while the journey has been like descending through the 9 circles of hell, we’re almost out of the Inferno and nearing the stale air of Purgatorio.

    • BuddhaJoe

      I’ll pretend your comments on the last thread don’t exist ☺.

      • Well, call me crazy, but allowing a hated rival to determine contracts for the Bears is not my ideal way of doing biz, but hey, here we are.

        Also, I did post a boobs link. It’s still FRI, so, without further ado…


        • BuddhaJoe

          I think he played the Fuller situation well, but for what it’s worth I think you’d be right in about 80-90% of other cases.

        • BerwynBomber

          You mean you don’t understand the “I would rather have our rival who is desperate for a CB set the price for us” argument?

          How dare you!

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          Boobs on Pinterest?

  • BenderMcLugh

    This is fun. Are we having fun? We’re having fun.

    • BerwynBomber

      We’re set. Good to go. At this point the Draft is gravy.

  • BenderMcLugh

    Hey Butch, totally agree

    “I won’t sign until I get a market value” and Pace agreed, “OK. we’ll match that offer”

    • I’m gonna put my Bears goggles on and choose to believe that reality because the alternative is scary lol

    • SC Dave

      The best part is neither Fuller nor the Bears management should have any regrets if both sides agree the market set the price.

      Fuller should never feel underpaid, and the Bears should not feel him overpaid. The latter, of course, subject to Kyle’s play.

      But I think he will be fine barring injury.

  • BerwynBomber

    HOU signs Honey Badger for a 1 year $7M deal. Quite the steal for the Texans, IMO, even if Mathieu is a hair overrated.


    • Seems like a lot of teams are signing those stars to 1 yr deals.

      Lotta teams going all-in I guess (Vikes. Puke, Texans, Iggles…)

      Meanwhile, in Pats land, nearly every star has left, and they’ll still make the AFC Championship.

      • BerwynBomber

        The Pats seems to play the FA game better than anyone. Drafting they are kinda average.

        Saw Mangini recently on TV and he said Belichick was Accounting or Finance major at Wesleyan and was a genius when it came to salary expectations. Suggested that Belichick would have a number in his head for any player in question and if it went a dollar over the player was gone.

        Mangini said it was totally cold, ruthless but hard to argue with the results.

        Most of Pats best FA work happens after the first week frenzy. Then they start hunting for bargains. Turning other team’s trash into treasures. Helps immensely to have Belichick coaching them up and a guy like Brady at the trigger.

        And now they get guys who are ring shopping.

        • That Guy

          Having a HoF QB makes any coach’s roster decisions look genius.

          Look at the Peckers. Rodgers has been making chicken salad with a roster so crappy they didn’t even have a true RB for a full season.

          • BerwynBomber

            COMPLETELY different animal.

            Belichick 15-6 w/out Brady (since Brady became the NE starter)
            McCarthy 5-14-1 w/out Rodgers (since Rodgers became GB starter)

          • Irish Sweetness

            How about the HC that has two HoF QBs? Who’s the genius then?

  • Geeet this. Want some football, “Blue Chips”, March Madness and FA hype all in one?

    heeeere ya goooo


  • Bear Instincts

    Vikings – S.Richardson
    Cheese – M.Wilkerson

    With these 2 signings it’s becoming clear that the best option at #8 is Q.Nelson. If he looks like he will be gone at 8 im ok with trading up for him because if the oline is not solid to the point MT10 has enough time to read and make throws the new toys wont mean much at all

    • DBears

      I like Nelson but not enough to trade up…… if not there, means he’s gone and likely Barkley and Chubb have been taken too…. meaning a QB is still there…. trade out! Maybe with BIlls/Cardinals…. still land a LB and pick up some more draft capital.

      I don’t like this and I don’t think anyone else will….. but Pace is going to take Davenport if we stay in the early 1st round. Either at 8 or if we trade back with a QB needy team. Freak athlete, position of need…. Pace is not afraid of small school players (Shaheen, Cohen, Morgan)

  • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

    Have there ever been any teams that blew so much money in FA that they couldn’t sign draft picks? Go!

    • ha. I don’t think so. Though teams like the Broncos and Skins did some shannigans to get juuust under the cap.

      I think some even accused the Bears with Pepp doing that. Though don’t remember the details.

      now with the new rook wage scale, doubt that happens.

      It’s like $5M or so to draft a class now.

      A team will always have that.

      I would’ve loved to have seen MIA get stuck with Landry thought. That woud’ve been interesting cuz they were like $19M over the cap with him.

  • BerwynBomber

    NYJ trade up and acquire the overall #3 from IND for two seconds and a third.

    • willbest

      Well that assures them one of the top 3 QBs.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I wasn’t crazy about the whole McCown/Bridgewater move but if they’re getting a rook QB it will mostly excuse it. Sorta like us with Glennon. Not that McCown or Teddy are anywhere near that level of shitness.

        • SC Dave

          In fairness, very few, maybe only Jefe, thought Glennon would be THAT bad.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I absolutely hated the Glennon pick, but I was still hopelessly optimistic.

          • willbest

            I was optimistic until, maybe it was BB started pointing out that the reason his stats looked good was jump balls to VJax/Evans in junk time. And then it was “oh well, at least he doesn’t turn the ball over, Fox likes that” of course he did, which made it stupid to move away from Cutler in retrospect. Of course, Cutler wouldn’t have made it obvious he needed to leave the field by week 3 the way Glennon did (unless he got hurt).

            Really the Bears should have gotten McCown. But then he might not be bad enough to get the hook. Quite frankly, I think Glennon hit the lottery. He happened to come off his rookie deal right when Pace decided he needed to perform a head fake and the result was he got $8 million extra dollars

          • CanadaBear

            In retrospect Irish was correct, the Bears should have let Cutler walk and re-signed McCown.

          • Very true.

            But then Irish went sideways and began concocting some Cutler redemption narrative that we all knew was NEVER going to happen.

            Beam me up, Fales!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I wish I was David Fales.

          • willbest

            Ah… hell.. there will be no living with him now.

          • Read below/above

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mind you, we’d probably have a receiving corps featuring Brandon Rideau, a 6’9 basketball project from Nigeria and a 500lb nose tackle …

          • CanadaBear

            Bless you my son! How do like the tattoo?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            That was me pointing out the junk time jump ball crap, and it was the main reason I hated the Glennon signing. I was hopelessly optimistic in thinking maybe Fox and crew could run an O that Glennon might have success. Boy was I wrong, that optimism ended in the 1st preseason game.

          • tobijohn

            I wasn’t around much last season because of life events but from what I’ve read, Jeff showed remarkable self-restraint with regards to “I told you so” comments…

          • ha, Jeff, miss an opportunity to say ” I told you so?”
            He was repeating “I told you so” on Glennon so much, that he actually had to write an article saying he’s no longer gonna refrain it cuz everyone was dog tired of hearing it.

            On the flip side, after 6 years of bashing any Cutler hater, not a peep from him once Cutler was booted.

            No mea culpa. No eulogy for smoking jay. No nothing.

            Funny how that works.

          • tobijohn

            I remember he was manic about the error of signing him but I guess the times I was able to lurk, I must have missed all of that. Well, at least it’s a relief to know he’s still the way God made him…:)

          • haha. I think he was off the wagon then, so had to take it out on someone.

            How you been, Tobster?

            Long time no see.

          • tobijohn

            Not bad, thanks for asking. No particular drama, just the usual stuff in life taking a disproportionate amount of my time. Hopefully, most of what was soaking it all up is taken care of. Speaking of MIA, I can’t recall the last time I saw anything from MB. I know he left for a while but then thought he had come back…

          • Cool.
            MB be gone. I think trading up for a QB was the last straw for him.

            He hated Fox even more than I did. Then we paid Glennon and signed Sanchize. MB was already teetering by all that.

            Then, Pace skips over his mancrush S Adams, and that was the last deathblow.

            Think he would’ve done the same if Pace had drafted Watson (whom he referred to as RGIV), so it just wasn’t Trub, but the idea of drafting a QB in general when by all consensus he knew, like I knew, that this draft class would be much deeper (to say nothing of FA, IE, Cousins, etc)

            He knew Fox and Glennon were shit, so I guess he wasn’t gonna stick around for the shit show that ended up being 2017.

            I agreed with him on a lot of his ideas, except I liked Trub more than he did.
            And apparently I’m a glutton for pain cuz I knew this team would suck balls under Fox.

            C’est la vie.

            I still text him from time to time. I’ll give him a hey for ya next time I do.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is MB in love or what? Can we confirm the love?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude ….. fuck, did I step back into the Eighties?

            Shit, I have to invent cryptocurrency ….. wait …

          • CanadaBear

            Hey Tobi, good to see you back here. Hope you can spend more time going forward. How’s the guitar playing going? I’m back playing the piano about an hour/day. Hopefully I can ramp that up a little bit but you never know. You didn’t miss much around here other than MB and a couple others bowing out.

          • tobijohn

            Thanks, the guitar playing is meandering along but at least the guitar buying has tapered off (holding steady at around 175). The cat population has stabilized at eight as well.

            I seem to get optimistic and excited about the upcoming season every year but for some reason this time it feels a little more “legitimate” for lack of a better word…

          • CanadaBear

            Glad to see the collecting has slowed down!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought maybe a couple of the kitties would have passed by now but it doesn’t sound like it. Gotta love kitties!

            I totally agree with ya about feeling more legit. After that first year of Nessman I went into a funk about the Beloved and I’m just now starting to get out of it. Between the hideous roster, launching BMarsh and Black Uni for peanuts (to stabilize the locker room) and then having Foxy trot out an archaic offense, ugh. I’m probably too pollyanna about MT but I really believe he’s the goods. Nagy seems like he’s done all the right things so far and oddly enough, Pace too. Hope it leads to at least .500 and out of the cellar

          • tobijohn

            Well, three of the cats have passed on in the last few years but there’s no lack of sob stories that served to fill their vacated spots. As for the Bears, during the season my weekly schedule was determined by game time. The last few season though, if I was dragging, whether they were ahead or behind (usually behind :)), I had no problem turning the game off early and either taking a nap if it was a Sunday game or just going to bed if it was one of the few prime time broadcasts. Not this year though…

        • willbest

          I figure they decided to see if Teddy had anything and its Teddy v. McCown for the bridge/#2 QB plus whoever they draft. I doubt they keep all 3 headed into the season.

  • CanadaBear

    I see Jeff is already into the Guinness. Gonna be a long St Paddy’s day for sure! Ironically I have a huge tattoo that would allow me to drink for free every St Paddy’s Day and I don’t drink. I have a leprechaun dancing a jig on the edge of a cliff on my left quad, a pot of gold on my right quad (also on the edge of a cliff) and a gigantic rainbow (with clouds) that connects everything. Took 20 hours needle time (4 sittings). I tried to do the rainbow in one sitting and couldn’t handle it. I felt really bad because the tattoo artist set the entire day aside for me (eventually it took 7.5 hours needle time to complete the rainbow). When we finally decided to split it up into two sittings, I kept apologizing to the artist and he wasn’t bothered by it (we are good friends). After wrapping up the first sitting on the rainbow we go to the back room of the tattoo shop, the artists takes a big drag off his Lucky Strike, looks at me and says “You fucking pussy”. At that point the other people in the shop start in on me, too (I knew all of them). Good times!

    Not a great pic but you get the idea. This was my second wedding day. We had a pajama wedding. All the attendees and the marriage commissioner were also in pajamas.


    • BerwynBomber

      Love Guinness still but it’s not my regular beer. Always thought I would spoil it if I got too used to it. Weird, but there it is.

      Have some fantastic St. Pat’s memories from my youth, but at my age now I try to avoid the festivities like the plaque. Amateur hour thing and four or five deep at a pub.

      • leftcoastdave

        Guinness is goodness.

      • CanadaBear

        I wasn’t crazy about Guinness in a can or bottle but I really liked it on tap. Drank it often because it was one of the few beers I could drink really slow. The last couple of sips were still fine. If that was a typical American beer, ugh. I literally can’t remember the last time I was hammered on St Paddy’s Day but it was decades ago,

        • I’m the same. Maybe cuz on tap it give a full head which enhances the flavor?

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure. When I was still drinking Guinness came in a small bottle (10 oz?). I thought it tasted like tree bark. I was really surprised how much better it was on tap.

      • SC Dave

        Guiness is a second, or third, rate beer.

        Thirty years ago when people thought Heineken was top of the line, it was more understandable.

        Now you can easily find much better beers*, thank the gods.

        * hundreds of them

        • I never liked Heineken or any German beer for that matter.

          I had friends who drank in Germany who swear the beer over there taste way better, but I’ve never been.

          • CanadaBear

            Heineken is from Amsterdam. Same with Amstel. Beck’s is German and tastes a lot like Heineken.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Given that Guinness isn’t a beer …. we would say a first rate porter.

          Unless you’re from Cork and drink Murphy’s.

      • Same here. I used to look forward to St Pat’s, but now I calculate, “Do I really want to hang around a bunch of drunks and possibly fight?”

        I used to take the chance cuz I figured, “Hey, there might be drunk sluts” but personally I never had the luck of the Irish on St Pat’s day.

        Most of the drunk girls were 5s at best, and the hot drunk ones had friends cockblocking or 10 drunk bastards hanging all over them.

    • EnderWiggin

      Pics! or it dodn’t happen.

      • CanadaBear

        Check my avatar!

        • EnderWiggin

          That is awesome!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      His hiatus from drinking must have ended.

    • Ahhhh…oh. Thought you got back on the wagon or turned to the other side (nttawwt)

      I had to take a few sessions for the tat on my arm.

      That was my first one over 2-3 hours.

      The odd part was, I sorta just fazed out. My body did some zen trick where it hurt, but the pain was almost alien.

      I think it must’ve worried the tattoo artist a bit cuz about hour 2 he looked at me and asked, “are you OK?”

      I sorta snapped out of it and responded, “Yeah. I’m cool.”

      I guess he wasn’t used to someone just taking it like he was sipping tea.

      I remember we were on the 2nd story, and the sun was going down, and I was just staring at the sunset, and the humming of the tat gun soothed me. It was a bit surreal for me, almost hypnotic.

      Did two more sessions, finished it up with shading, and was good to go.

      Dunno if you or others experienced the same, but I think it just depends on where you get them.

      My friend got his whole back tatted, and that was like over $1,000 . He did it in Hollywood by some famous tat douche who goes by Bach or something.

      That’s a bit much for me, but hey, too each their own.

      • CanadaBear

        The leprechaun took 7 hours in one sitting, the pot of gold 5.5 hours in one sitting and the rainbow was 7.5 hours in two sittings for a total of 20 hours needle time. Paid $1200 total + tips. The artist is a friend of mine and gave me a discount. It totally depends where it’s at as far as pain. My upper arms have decent sized tattoos, too. The only place that really hurt was just above the quads where you transition from legs to torso. Tons of nerves there with not a lot else. Other than that spot on each side, the rest was just a matter of patience. I’ve heard you really don’t want to go into the armpit. No problem there!!!!!!

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  • willbest

    So the first 3 rounds of this years draft are going to be D or O line

    • Bear Instincts

      1st round is Q.Nelson to stabilize the line since the Cheese got MoWilkerson and the Queens got Sheldon Richardson

      2nd rd and the 2 4ths can be about the defense

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ve got the 4th reserved for an RB, Bear, sorry.

    • Malice Halice

      I find it ridiculous we didn’t no starting caliber defensive guy. Guess it’s all about Trub. We didn’t even try to help other departments, I feel #8 is still a toss up between T. Edmunds or Q. Nelson. My only reason why I don’t expect us draft Q is because we have a “O-line whisperer”

      • Bear Instincts

        We will see how well he can whisper when we go up against the queens and sheldon richardson or the cheese and mo.wilkerson

        • Malice Halice

          Not our fault. Should’ve signed them! Sad we let division rivals get players to antagonize us when we could’ve signed em due to need.

        • Malice Halice

          We should get Q.Nelson tho. Need to be all in for Trub! Go big or go home!

      • leftcoastdave

        Aaron Lynch will be a YUGE improvement over what we had out there in MacPhee.
        He was lost in staff/scheme change hell after a good rookie season with Fangio.

        “Outside linebacker Aaron Lynch feels he’s in the perfect place to resurrect a career that has fallen on hard times. The 6-foot-6, 270-pound Lynch signed a one-year deal with the Bears after spending his first four years with the 49ers, who drafted him in the fifth round out of South Florida in 2014. As a rookie, Lynch had six sacks as a situational pass rusher in the scheme of Vic Fangio, who is now the Bears’ defensive coordinator.”


      • Irish Sweetness

        Maybe we draft Edmunds …. we’ve gone heavy on O so far … but Nelson, man he’d be nice.

  • Bear Instincts

    After the Jets swap with the Colts i think we have a better chance at Nelson

    1.Browns – QB/Barkley
    2.Giants – QB
    3.Jets – QB
    4. Browns – QB/Barkely/Fitzpatrick/Chubb

    After the 1st 4 picks is when we are in danger of losing Nelson

    5. Broncos – QB/Chubb/Nelson
    6. Colts – Chubb/Nelson
    7. Bucs – Ward/Chubb/Fitzpatrick/Nelson

    8. 2019 SB Champion Chicago Bears – Nelson

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I am curious why the Jets made that trade now. I would have thought they would have waited till draft day.

      • BerwynBomber

        My bet is could’ve been as much IND’s urgency as NYJ’s. (though that still doesn’t answer your implied question.)

        IND isn’t drafting a QB and they probably want as many picks as possible. They are the classic trade down situation. So they probably thought get the deal done and we can prepare/strategize even better.

      • CanadaBear

        BB’s probably correct. I’d also add the people running Indy aren’t all that good at poker!

      • I bet there’s a lot of other teams trying to trade up with the Colts. So they were in SFs position last yr.

        Colts were telling them “so and so teams are offering this, and if you don’t give us this…’

        So Jets, much like Pace last yr, bit.

        Big diff was, Pace gave up much less to move up.

    • With this trade, I doubt Nelson falls to Bears.

      Browns are a bit of a wild card. They’re always looking to trade down, but if they stay, Chubb or Barkley are good bets

      Broncos I think they’ll go Fitzpatrick, but Nelson a possibility.

      I can’t imagine Nelson falling past the Colts. They’ve been dying to improve their Oline since Luck arrived.

      But if they do, the Bucs have also been desperately trying to protect Winston and improve their run game. Nelson will do both.

      I sorta agree with Walt’s mock right now.

      1. Josh Allen
      2. Darnold
      3. Rosen
      4. Barkley
      5. Nelson
      6. Chubb
      7. Derwin James (though after 6, who knows)
      8. CB Ward, LB Edmunds, S/CB Fitzpatrick

      Only hope is that the Browns trade down again, and perhaps MIA now at #4 drafts Mayfield, pushing more talent down to the Bears, but it still wont’ be enough for Nelson.

      Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Barkley, Nelson, Chubb are the elite, after that, it’s another tier.

  • catfish44

    Greg Gabriel

    When looking at corner depth, Bears fans forget they signed Jonathan Mincy in January. Mincy was one of the best corners in the CFL last 2 years and had several NFL clubs pursuing him in January when window on CFL players opened.

    • Malice Halice

      It seems like Vic Fangio doesn’t ask for much or they don’t give him much. “We are face down arse up” at the OLB/Edge position n all Vic got was dude from the 9ers. It would be nice to see Vic get some more blue chips on his side of the field.

      • catfish44

        draft. there really wasn’t much at the edge position in free agency.

  • leftcoastdave

    Pace knew exactly what he was doing and now has Fuller under contract for four years at a great price. If he doesn’t produce, he can be cut without too much damage. If he plays like this year, the D will rock with the added year of experience playing together and the upgrades being made in the LB corp. If we score on a CB in the draft, Fuller will be a great trade piece with this contract in place.
    Win, win, win.

  • catfish44

    Eagles cut DE Vinny Curry
    The Eagles had to release Vinny Curry prior to Sunday because $5 million of his $9 million salary in 2018 would’ve been guaranteed by then. Philadelphia tried to trade Curry, but teams knew this, and the Eagles couldn’t get a deal together.

    Curry is a very talented defensive end. He’s both skilled as a pass-rusher and a run-stuffer. He hasn’t registered more than 3.5 sacks since 2013, but he’s played better than the stats indicate. There should be plenty of interest in him now that he has hit the open market. —-http://walterfootball.com/nflpossibilities.php

    • willbest

      This sounds like a Willie Young type player who lead the league in disruptions which isn’t an acknowledged stat.

    • He’s 29. Older than Pace’s usual targets, but could be in play.

      Burton on the team could help recruiting.

  • catfish44

    Bears re-sign CB Kyle Fuller (4 years, $56 million; $18 million guaranteed): B+ Grade
    The Bears were heavily criticized for transition tagging Kyle Fuller. They could’ve franchised him, but went the cheaper route, allowing teams to offer him a contract. The Packers did this, and had they installed a poison pill in the deal, Chicago would’ve lost Fuller for no compensation. That didn’t happen, so Fuller will be back with the Bears.

    That’s the good news. The bad news is that a $56 million contract seems like a lot for a player whose fifth-year option was declined last offseason. Fuller struggled earlier in his career, and he missed all of 2016 with a knee injury. However, he improved greatly this past season and finally lived up to his first-round billing.

    Despite the $56 million overall in this deal, the Bears will only have to pay Fuller $18 million in guarantees, so this contract isn’t as bad as the overall number makes it look. In summary, it’s a good thing the Bears are keeping Fuller at a non-outrageous price, so I think this grade should be a “B.” —–http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

    • BerwynBomber

      We are paying him $20M next year. We could have flat franchised him for significantly less.

      I’m fine with the deal. Heck, I’ve been a fan of Fuller all four years when most others were not. But I don’t see this as any stroke of genius on behalf of Pace (and I loved his Robinson, Gabriel and Burton moves).

      And hey, I like Pace in general. And love where the team is headed.

      But I can’t see how allowing the most CB desperate team in the league to negotiate the terms of Fuller’s contract is a wily move. We’re just lucky the Cheese didn’t have near the cap space that we have.

      Ah well. Onward.

      • CanadaBear

        The only part I don’t agree with is about being lucky the Fudgies didn’t have the cap space. I’m pretty sure Pace knew this was a possibility and wasn’t worried because he knew they didn’t have the cap space. That tool that writes for GB on ESPN makes it out like GB somehow really got over on Pace. Don’t get it. If they offered him a reasonable contract the Bears were certainly going to match it and if they loaded it up Pace probably would have stuck them with that contract. I didn’t think Pace was smart to do it the way he did but I was pretty certain Fuller wasn’t going anywhere unless Cleveland did a Cleveland move.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Exactly. Also teams were not going to give Fuller a record deal, that sets too much precedence for future contracts.

          • CanadaBear

            If the Bears weren’t so flush with cap space it would have been a risky move. With all that cap space other teams figured out the Bears were going to match it and why bother.

          • But teams throw stupid contracts EVERY FA. It never fails (Bradford seems to be the winner this FA)

            And about 4 teams with more needs and deeper cap could’ve done just that.

            To me, this is like Evil Knieval sticking a stunt. Pace landed it this time, but I wouldn’t recommend it going forward, esp when he could’ve just taken a much safer detour that only took 1 min extra.

      • catfish44

        Greg Gabriel
        Let’s be honest, Bears did not want to pay Fuller what he got otherwise they would have offered him that weeks ago. They let the Market dictate his worth and it turned into a win/win for both sides. Transition tag worked. Greg Gabriel

        There were many in the league who felt Bears should have put franchise tag on Fuller. They guessed right w/transition. Now some clueless National writers are criticizing. Please, give me a break and learn contracts 101

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      The NFL pretty much closed all the ‘poison pill’ loopholes teams were using to get around the transition tag years ago. So it was pretty safe move putting the transition tag on Fuller, the only real threat was if some team gave him a ridiculous contract.

    • willbest

      $18 million signing bonus is a bit better, for the player, than $18 million guaranteed. Giraffe got $18 million guaranteed,and considering he got $4 million from the Cards, the Bears might not even be paying him the $2.5 million they owe him this year.

      Fuller got an $18 million signing bonus, which means a) there is no clawback on an early cut, and b) that it will also cost them $13.5 million cap hit to cut him at the end of this year if he is hot tub fuller instead of baller fuller. This makes it rather difficult to send him packing next season unless his performance is a disaster instead of just disappointing.

      • “that it will also cost them $13.5 million cap hit to cut him”

        I touched on this yesterday. But the Pace MO to date has been – frontload Bonus/guarantees while lowering the cap hit after two yrs.

        I liked those contracts. They gave Pace the flexibility to cut with lil cap penalties after 2 yrs.

        It’s a good model. You never know if a player will live up to the FA contract (Glennon).

        But this Pace def is anit-Pace. At the very least the Puke forced Pace to sign THEIR type of contract.

        Lower guarantees with perhaps longer yrs and higher cap hit spread down the road.

        The amount might’ve been in Pace’s ballpark, but the way it’s structured may not have been to his liking.

        If we get 17 Fuller, none of this matters.
        If we get “pussy” Fuller…well. That’ll cost the cap $13M when it otherwise may not have.

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

    The last time I was this pumped about Free Agency was the year Pep became a Bear. Anybody else got a better one? This feels like the deepest FA talent pool added to the team in my memory.

    • SC Dave

      I dont remember a better free agency, although Peppers may have had more talent than all of this year’s crop put together.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Butkus over Walter? Irish wants a word with you.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          I think he’s got McMahon over Butkus too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They were both wonderful. I love my Bears. Wally first, everyone else joint second …against maybe Rusty Lisch.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Might get him.

        I love the way the team is positioned right now. Pace has solved some of the obvious issues from last season with Free Agency. CB, WR, TE all fairly well squared away. So he can go OL or OLB early in the draft, which historically, makes a ton of sense.

        8 typically sounds a little high for a Guard, but maybe not this one. I can get behind that pick. Landing a dominant edge rusher there makes just as much sense. Though I’d like to see him continue to pour resources into making the Turbisky pick pay off.

        Should be exciting either way.

        • You know, I’m perhaps the most staunchly against drafting an OG that high simply on philo.
          But I listened to Bruschi the other day, and he made an interesting football argument for drafting Nelson even #3 overall.

          His argument was that a team can always help an OT w hb-te chipping

          But that teams now are implementing a “diamond” formation in which they put a DT right over the C, thus isolating the OGs against their best pass rusher.

          As such, OGs are more vital than ever esp since inside disruption is the most lethal.

          Interesting argument.

          Got me revising my stance, though i would still prefer more premium positions like rush.

    • Emery trading for Bmarsh pumped me up. Bears were FINALLY getting a real WR after the midget brigrade.

      His 2nd FA brought a lot of hope too (maybe a cautionary tale)

      Emery landed a franchise LT Bushrod to finally end the Jwebb experiment.
      Got the top TE available in Bennett
      Signed huge upside guys like Houston, Young, Mundy and yes, Jared Allen.

      In fact, that was probably the most aggressive a Bears GM had been until this week

      We all were rosterbating to the fantasy of Cutler handing off to Forte while throwing bombs to Bmarsh, Bennett, Alshon while the Mullett, Houston, Young terrorized Os.

      Ahhhh, yes….alas…

      • CanadaBear

        That first year under Nessman the O was pretty good and we were rightfully excited. Little did we know that Tucker’s D was going to be historically bad. I don’t think anyone was too surprised when the wheels came off the next year.

        • Ososfan

          Have you read anything about that Tucker D? Supposedly Tucker couldn’t have much say in defensive alignments due to Emery and Trstman’s egos they wanted him to follow Marinelli’s D to a T and couldn’t not I put any changes….smh!

          • CanadaBear

            I never read that. His D was so simple everyone picked it apart and then people started getting hurt. UGH.

        • DBears

          Gonna agree… the D was terrible and the players in the system said so much. Tresteman and all the hype was bullshit…. after watching 4 games I could get shit faced watching that train wreck and knew what play they were calling…

          He is something as bears fans we should all appreciate… we had a top 10 D and it’s pretty much intact! We had a terrible offensive scheme….. but still had a rushing attack. We now supposedly have better coaching…. same RB’s, better WR’s, more experience with 3 offensive rookies……… MT, Cohen, Shahenn.

          No reason not to expect better results this year

    • Big Mike

      Not sure. I felt good when the Bears signed John Tait at RT. I felt good when they got Mushin Muhammed, Last time I felt the team had made this big of a leap during the off season was when the Bears traded for Cutler.

      • Ososfan

        Yikes!! Hopefully we have better talent evaluators now! That Cutler trade hurt us for a while!

  • BuddhaJoe

    Damn, the Jets traded three 2nd rounders to move from 6 to 3? Tell me again about how Pace got “fleeced” last year.

    • CanadaBear

      All the people that say that “know” that MT was going to be there at 3.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Right. “Know”. BS.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, never bought that.

      And what happens if Bisky becomes the goods and JimmyG collapses? That Lynch move will look like something CLE has pulled.

    • Initially everyone thought that due to draft shock. I tried to calm everyone’s tits but they wern’t having it.

      A lot of folks didn’t think much of either Trub or Watson last draft, so they couldn’t conceive of teams trading up for them.

      But obviously they were mistaken.

      • Ososfan

        Maaaan I was soooo salty and sour about the pick, the trades weren’t that bad but I wanted Solomon soo bad or any other OLB. Pace has only drafted ONE OLB in his career with us! CRAZY!

  • BuddhaJoe

    Happy St Paddy’s Day too by the way. Went to a brunch at our regular bar at 11 and already home and half-drunk. Might finally be too old for this shit.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s all about pacing. Something I knew nothing about!

      • BuddhaJoe

        I joke, but it worked out well. We got to go out and see all our friends and leave before it became a shitshow. Now we can just chill.

        Although we might have to take a walk since it’s beautiful out by Michigan standards.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s the beauty of experience, knowing when to bow out! You can just see the shit storm coming. Glad you have a decent day. It’s been a tough winter in a lot of parts of North America.

          • BuddhaJoe

            It was wierd here this winter. We alternated between huge snowfalls and unseasonably warm temps. It’s always a crapshoot in Michigan though so we’re used to it.

            And if I ever get down about it, I just think about my buddy up in Yellowknife and it puts it in perspective.

      • What in dee hell is ur new avi canada? Wait, i may not want to know

        • CanadaBear

          In an earlier post today I described my torso tattoo but was unable to add a pic so I made it my avatar. Find the earlier post.

        • Ososfan

          Hahaha Canada is an OG!

    • SC Dave

      Just finished my second jai alai and feeling it a little. Time to eat something, mayhaps

      • CanadaBear

        What’s in a jai alai?

        • EnderWiggin

          Is that the one where you drop a shot of Irish whiskey and a shot of Bailey’s into a glass of Guinness and slam it down?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Fuck that.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Pretty sure that’s an Irish Car Bomb, which I did today. Thinks it’s Jameson too and not just Bailey’s though.

          • Just don’t ask for an Irish Car Bomb at a Brit Pub. Apparently, that’s faux pas

          • BuddhaJoe

            Or Northern Ireland. Something tells me they wouldn’t take kindly to that.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

            The faux pas is asking for a Belfast CarBomb at any pub and asking for a Black and Tan at an Irish bar instead of a Half and Half.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Can we stop saying faux pas now?

          • Is there an Gaelic equivalent for that?

            Irish, feel free to jump in.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Oh it’s Gaelic alright.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Eh, we can ask for whatever we want wherever we want.

            We are not afraid of making ‘Le faux pas’.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Any old whiskey in any old beer.

            Not recommended. Ever.

          • Ososfan


          • AlbertInTucson

            Thought that was a BOILERMAKER.

          • leftcoastdave

            Always was and a waste of good whiskey, which is to say if you like them, use cheap whiskey.

          • CanadaBear

            Any time shots are involved bad things happen!

        • SC Dave

          It is a beer out of Tampa

  • willbest

    Wow first time a #1 seed has lost to a number #16 seed in NCAA tourney history. I wonder if the destruction of everybody’s bracket this early will have a negative impact on viewership over the next few weeks, or if the fact that everybody’s bracket is busted means nobody’s relative position and thus interest has changed.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      I’m guessing the latter

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I did a bracket for the first time in years. That whole south division fucked my bracket, I only got 2 games right. The rest of the divisions I had only 2 games wrong so far.

      • Big Mike

        In the final four you will have have 3 of the 4 filled with 1 or 2 seed. The 4th could be anything from a 3 to a 12. The sweet 16 is a hodgepodge impossible to predict landscape. By the time they get to 8 it starts to sort out and the final 4 almost always looks like what I described.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          This is not like other years. Only 2 of the final four could be a 1 or 2 seed. The 3rd will be no higher than a 3 seed, and the 4th will be no higher than a 5 seed.

          • Big Mike

            For all the chaos if this ends up 1,2,3 and 5 that’s still within range of the expected. My point was at the end it doesn’t look as chaotic as it does at after the first round or the sweet 16. A while back I saw an article adding up the total of the seeds of the final four. They showed a distribution, it was flatter than I had thought it would be, with a few “bumps”. This year looks like a bump. I wish I could find that article.

          • Big Mike

            I didn’t find the article, but I did a bit of research. For the last 30 years, the sum of the final four’s seeds is 11.033 There were 20 years below the average and 10 years above. What that says is that when the sum is > than the average it is over by quite a bit. (A dog or two are in the hunt). Like 2011 when the sum was 26. Uconn, Butler, Kentucky, VCU (3,8,4 and 11). During that time there were 3 seasons >20. So this year could fall in line with the average (the highest remaining seeds would need to advance). But is likely to be one of the years 🙂

    • They don’t call it March Madness for nothing.

      Many sports hinge on emotions which only that locker room knows. It’s like that scene from Pulp Fiction where Butch dreams about the watch. Then comes out and literally kills the dude.

      And March Madness is esp charged with emotions only an idiot would bet big $ on.

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        There are only certain games to bet on.
        My average rate of return on march madness and NIT is 150%.

  • catfish44

    Bradley Chubb (EDGE, N.C. State)
    #1 – Browns take a QB
    #2 – Giants OG Quenton Nelson
    #3 – Jets take a QB
    #4 – Bills trade up and take a QB
    #5 – Broncos take a QB
    #6 – Colts take RB Saquon Barkley
    #7 – Bucs take DB Minkah Fitzpatrick
    Chubb is definitely the more difficult of the two to attain because pass rushers always go high in the draft. Thankfully the Bears are aided right off the bat by so many teams needing a quarterback and the class being strong in high-end depth. Thus the Browns, Jets, Bills, and Broncos all get one. The Giants seem intent on building around Eli Manning for one more run. They tried to sign top guard Andrew Norwell in free agency but failed. it would make sense that they target Nelson at #2.

    The difficult sells are the Colts and Bucs. Why would Indy take Barkley at #6? Easy. They have no starting running back. Their two options are Marlon Mack or Robert Turbin. Not ideal. Perhaps they could wait until the second round for that, but none of the other backs in this class can touch Barkley’s skill.

    As for Tampa Bay, their need to draft Chubb may have cooled a bit by their signing of veteran defensive end Vinny Curry. They have a pressing need still present though at safety. Their current projected starters are Chris Conte and Justin Evans. Minkah Fitzpatrick has a level of ability that is beyond them and he could also help the Bucs out at cornerback too. He’s that sort of talent.

    Thus Chubb slips to #8 where Chicago is waiting.

    Quenton Nelson (OG, Notre Dame)
    #1 – Browns take a QB
    #2 – Giants take a QB
    #3 – Jets take a QB
    #4 – Browns take EDGE Bradley Chubb
    #5 – Bills trade up to take a QB
    #6 – Colts take RB Saquon Barkley
    #7 – Bucs take DB Minkah Fitzpatrick
    There are a few key differences this time. It starts with the three QBs going right off the bat. The Giants might be projecting the idea they won’t go there, but can they really ignore this rare opportunity to get a top quarterback who can eventually take over for Manning, who is likely done in the next couple seasons? This will force the Broncos to avoid going quarterback and instead they allow the Bills to come up and do so instead.

    After that, it’s the same finish as the Chubb scenario except for this time a little more believable. The Colts would likely prefer a game breaker with elite traits like Barkley while the Buccaneers don’t have a pressing need on the offensive line. Thus Nelson should fall into the Bears’ laps, fixing a nagging problem up front for them.——————https://sportsmockery.com/2018/03/realistic-scenarios-bears-landing-coveted-draft-targets/

    • catfish44

      i would love either, esp. chubb. i am getting more concerned that pace let sitton go.

      • He never should’ve let him go. That’s why I wasn’t all that optimistic about FA going into it.

        Sitton would’ve been a good “bridge” OG while we figure out if Kush/Morgan or (insert late rd draftee) were good.

        • catfish44


        • Big Mike

          Said the same thing about Slauson. Then he landed Sitton. That was a fluke. Only two moves in his tenure that I don’t get. They haven’t all worked out, but you could see what he was trying to do. Slauson is still out there kicking ass. Sitton’s got a couple more solid years left. Meanwhile Long is 2 years away from his last healthy season. BTW, the scenario where Bears land Chubb is silly. Sports Mockery even called it improbable. Sitton was better than a bridge.

          • Oh, i agree w u Mike. PFF ranked Sitton 6th best OG and my eyes would agree. Think he had like 2 more seasons in him ( hence the “bridge ” as in short term).

            Oh well.

      • Ososfan

        I think and HOPE that with them letting Sitton go they belive they have a solid line even without him especially with them signing HH as the OLINE coach, Pace deff might have gotten positive feedback from him and his ability to coach the group we have now, ALSO, Pace might sign OLINE in the 2nd or 3rd…?

    • Ososfan

      Id like this scenario quite a lot but the bucs took a DB like two years ago and might want to solidify their DLINE with Chubb even after they signed Vinny Curry

  • SC Dave

    Far out… Loyola again!

  • SC Dave

    Was watching the shit abut the Indy trade, and there is no way we’re getting Nelson, damnit

    “The New York Jets are doing everything they can to land a potentially franchise-altering quarterback in next month’s draft.

    “We feel like at six we could still acquire a premium player,” Ballard said. “Plus, being able to pick up the two twos this year and the two next year that gives us four picks this year in the top 50 picks of the draft and then three picks next year, one in the first and two in the second. So, it gives us a chance to really replenish our young talent and start building a core of young talent that we need to do.”

    • willbest

      I guess that means they think Luck is going to come back and look like he did the first couple years.

      • SC Dave

        Thats my guess, will

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        Yeah, no more multiple 4 TD games against rollover AFC South opponents anymore bro. Luck is just a guy like most other guys and that will be evident this year.

    • Ososfan

      I think the Giants might scoop Nelson, their GM wants a sure HOF guy at pick 2 from what I read when he was talking about making a pick so high, and Nelson looks tremendous… bummer

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        Let them take Nelson. That just leaves another gamechanging D player for us.
        I’d rather get a vet OL anyway.

        • Like Sitton?

        • Bear Instincts

          There are no game changing defensive players after Chubb. If we miss out on Chubb and Nelson we should trade back with the Bills or Cardinals

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Hell even the Browns could surprise people and take Nelson at 4, after taking Barkley or a quarterback at 1.

  • Ososfan

    Don’t know if it’s been addressed but from what I can conclude from watching MT10’s college highlights compared to his Bears highlights… it looks like he regressed with his throwing motion, it looked soooo slow and he was winding up for short throws, I was kinda of disgusted, honestly, hope the new coaches help him fix that because he’s going to be throwing some MAJOR INT’s…. What the hell did Loggains do to this dude??! I might be wrong, Jwood and y’all might call me out for this but it looked waaaay to slow compared to his quick release from college tape(though I only have limited resources there as well with his NFL tape) please dear lord, help this boy! Also, what the heck happened to his footwork? In the preseason Trubs looked smooth and then it all went to hell! Am I the only one who thinks this?

    • CanadaBear

      I thought the same thing in his first few games but thought he steadily improved. He definitely started out with happy feet and that totally screwed up the accuracy. At first he was going sideways when the rush was getting close and that usually didn’t end well. At some point he started stepping up and things improved. I’m very optimistic about MT going forward. Of course, what do I know???????

    • Thought the same, and the stats bear it out. Kylr Orton comp % is never good.
      However, it’s not uncommon for a rook.
      The game moves much faster, so has to readjust his clock, which can throw off everything else.
      Trub was also learning an entirely new O, an NFL one at that, which lead to indecision.
      His WRs also couldnt seperate so he couldnt just throw on rythm.
      Ds caught on to this and sent the blitz, which only made things worse (esp since Fox did absolutely zilch to counter the 8 man boxes and blitzes)

      I wouldve liked to see a Dak or Wilson type rook campaign from Trub, but given the personnell, coaching and steep learning curb (remember, only started 13 games) this was to be expected.

      I expect him to hit at 62% this yr.

      If he doesn’t, time to worry cuz WCO is predicated on short cuck passes.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Correct you are sir. His first or second PS game was just about perfect – in that the passes that weren’t caught were all placed away from the defense.

      The teething pains of the WCO installation will be enduring.

  • CanadaBear

    Chill brother! Let’s wait to see him this year with more talent around him and an offense that wasn’t from the 90’s.

  • SC Dave

    Well, we still have the same QB coach, so there’s that.

  • BerwynBomber

    Jon Bostic signed by PIT. His fifth NFL team. Weird when realizing he is only 26. Seems much longer ago when the blog was excited by his rookie preseason.

    • SC Dave

      I never understood it here. ONE PLAY from college blinded a lot of people to the fact he sucks.

      Shea is a better player.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        It was really the one big pop in his rookie preseason that got everybody going.

        • SC Dave

          Oh, okay. Preseason then.

    • CanadaBear

      Before everyone hated Emery we were trying to drink the kool-aid. I kept hearing/reading great things about Bostic and Greene and whenever I saw them they were sub-standard (esp Greene). I was pretty sure they were both JAG’s at best but Tucker’s D was so bad I wasn’t sure of anything.

  • SC Dave
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I totally disagree, just because.

      • leftcoastdave

        Absolutely. Tier one vs. tier bottom of the barrel.

      • SC Dave

        Someone had to!

    • tobijohn
      • CanadaBear

        No matter how the roster shakes out I think the Beloved will be 8-8 with the arrow pointing up. Not what you dream about but going the right direction. There’s no doubt in my mind this coaching staff is worth the 3 extra wins by themselves. The only coaches worth keeping were kept and Foxy/Loggains can go back to the future.

        • SC Dave

          Not to mention the purge of the S&C and training charlatans.

      • Irish Sweetness

        From the article, this is what concerns me most and I said so on here when we signed him:

        “Don’t make me ask why the Jaguars paid one of their receivers but not Robinson. I can’t help myself: Why did the Jaguars re-sign Marqise Lee but not Robinson? Were they worried about Robinson’s surgically repaired knee, the one that made him miss almost all of last season?”

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          CAP SPACE!

        • I don’t know what’s so good about Lee. He’s inj prone with bad hands.

          “He battled through multiple injuries that cost him nine games in his
          first two seasons and caught 119 passes for 1,553 yards and six
          touchdowns in 2016-17. He posted his best season in 2016, catching 63
          passes for 851 yards and three touchdowns.

          However, Lee also tied for the third-most drops in the NFL over the last two seasons (12), including seven in 2017.”


          They do have other options though in Dade Westrbrook, Hurns and Jalen Strong.

          So their cup runneth over, but not their cap.

    • 6 wins.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I think you have a typo. you forgot a 1 in front.

  • Well, at least ESPN gave the Fuller deal a +

    “Kyle Fuller D+

    The Bears ended up costing themselves millions of dollars and made a commitment they might regret by virtue of making a decision that ended up going strangely wrong in a good way last year and a second decision that was highly questionable this offseason. In the end, they’re making a commitment to a player who the organization thought was closer to being released than playing a starring role this past season.

    General manager Ryan Pace & Co. declined Fuller’s fifth-year option before last season, which was defensible given his status at the time. Fuller had been ineffective for the vast majority of his brief career, and he had missed the entirety of the previous season because of a knee injury that had defensive coordinator Vic Fangio questioning Fuller’s desire to play. Given that any complications with the knee injury might have caused Fuller’s fifth-year option for 2018 to guarantee if he couldn’t pass a physical, you can understand why the Bears declined the option.

    The strangest thing subsequently happened: Fuller suddenly got both healthy and good. The former 2014 first-round pick played all 16 games and had his best season as a pro, knocking away 22 passes, second in the league behind Darius Slay. A guy who looked as if he were on his way out of Chicago suddenly looked like a building block for a burgeoning defense, but it’s way too early to say that Fuller is a sure thing. One year of valuable play is incredibly helpful, but given how little the Bears thought about Fuller before the season, it would be foolish to drastically do a 180 and treat him like a No. 1 cornerback.

    The best thing to do would have been to franchise him, which would have guaranteed the Bears another year and allowed them to retain the leverage in negotiating a long-term deal. That would have cost $15 million. Instead, the Bears chose to hit Fuller with the transition tag, saving $2 million but allowing Fuller to negotiate with other teams and come up with a long-term offer that’s designed to prevent the Bears from matching.

    Instead, Fuller went out and found a four-year, $56 million deal with the Packers that contains $18 million guaranteed. For one, the Bears immediately matched the deal, which is bizarre; they could have waited the full five days and tied up the Packers before accepting the offer. (If the argument is that they didn’t want Fuller to twist in the wind, that’s also silly since you can privately tell a player you’re privately going to match and want to stick it to your division rival.)

    The $18 million guarantee sounds like a modest increase on the $13 million transition tag or the $15 million franchise tag and a great deal for the Bears; swapping $5 million in guarantees for the right to lock down Fuller for the next three seasons sounds like a great move.

    Unfortunately, the Packers didn’t make it that simple. Reports suggest that Fuller will make $20 million in Year 1 of this deal and $29 million in Year 2, which is an enormous increase from the $10 million per year the Bears had previously been offering. The $18 million guaranteed number doesn’t mean anything given the structure of the deal; the Bears might not have guaranteed that $9 million, but if it will cost them more money to cut Fuller in Year 2 than it would to keep him on the roster, he’s not going anywhere.

    The cash flow of the deal suggests that’s exactly the case, which amounts to something closer to a transition tag in 2018 and a guaranteed franchise tag in 2019 in lieu of a guaranteed franchise tag in 2018 and flexibility thereafter. Fuller’s due $42 million over the first three years of this new contract, which is more than Casey Hayward got on his extension. It would be the third-largest three-year value for a cornerback in football after Josh Norman and Trumaine Johnson. Both of those players each had a lower percentage of their contracts guaranteed than Fuller.

    The Bears backed themselves into a corner and handed out a deal that represents the best-case development curve for Fuller to try to save $2 million up front. In the end, they’re committed to paying Fuller like he’s a Pro Bowl cornerback for two years just a year after thinking he was roster fodder.”


    • BerwynBomber

      Unfortunately, ESPN makes a compelling case. And I wondered about making GB wait too, though who knows, maybe that would be considered bad form around the league. (Like when we screwed over BAL during the Carimi draft.)

      One thing I wouldn’t wish to know: how many teams refuse to slap a tag on a player and then end up paying him $6M more the next season via a new contract? I would imagine that list has to be tiny.

      Ah well. If Fuller balls like he did this past year, most of this will be forgotten.

      And if it is any consolation, the Cheese are still royally screwed at the CB position. Like Mel Tucker D level bad.

      • I was surprised Fuller is getting more in the next 3 yrs than Casey Hayward. I just don’t think of him like that.

        Of course, Pace is projecting – so, either he’s right, and Fuller earns the contract, or he’s wrong, and Pace will be painted as a sucker.

        I think Will expressed some reservation about how Fuller would respond once he got paid. That lurks in the back of my mind too, and would’ve felt a lil better if the cap hit down the line was not $13M+, but the alternative would’ve been horrendous. Couldn’t go into the season with china doll Prince and Callahan and all but forcing us to draft a CB at #8.

        • BerwynBomber

          I might take Fuller over Hayward. For some reason I still think of Hayward as more a slot CB even though SD plays him on the perimeter. (Btw, that was another “brilliant” Ted Thompson move. Letting Hayward walk after his rookie deal.)

          What I will never understand is Bears fans thanking GB for doing our bidding. Really? Pace was incapable of striking a better deal on behalf of the team than this? He is that poor of a negotiator? Really?

          Might go back to Wad’s idea about a gentleman agreement, but even there I want my GM to have more of a cold heart like Belichick. Kumbaya is all fine at team dinners but business is business..

          Yeah, I remember Will staking out that position. But he didn’t seem to have much issue with the new contract the one post of his I saw.

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