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Forget Patience, Bears Offense Should Be Good

| June 6th, 2018

[Editor’s Note: Here’s a companion piece to yesterday’s Data Entry.]

If Matt Nagy and Mitch Trubisky are what Ryan Pace thinks they are, there’s no reason to think the Bears offense won’t be good in 2018.

Nagy has stressed patience since he took over. And he should. His complete vision for the offense is going to take years to implement. But there’s no reason the team shouldn’t be able to score points this year. Generally speaking, teams with good quarterbacks and good coaches score points. Add the fact that the Bears are pretty good at every other offensive position and, there really isn’t a reason to think they won’t score.

And while the offense may take those precious years to implement in-full, Nagy knows as well as anyone that coaches don’t necessarily get the kind of time they’d like to see things to fruition. They have to get results, especially once the quarterback is in place.

We saw two great examples of this last year. The first and most obvious was NFL Coach of the Year Sean McVay, whose Rams led the league in scoring and were 10th in yardage. The other is Kyle Shanahan, whose 49ers struggled early before Jimmy Garoppolo took over and led them to an average of 28.8 points and nearly 410 yards per game — including a 15-point effort against the Bears.

(I could also point to Marc Trestman – who had the Bears second in points in his first year – but that would break our longstanding agreement to never discuss him again after what happened in 2014.)

Naysayers would point to Doug Pederson. The Super Bowl-winning head coach took a full season before his offense exploded. But in his first year, Carson Wentz was a rookie and the team’s receivers were awful. Like the Bears did in 2018, the Eagles revamped their pass catchers and saw a huge benefit. If anything, the Bears are a lot closer to where the Eagles were in year two of Pederson/Wentz than Year One.

The Bears have one of the ten best backfields in the league. They are at least in the top half of the league in terms of offensive line and tight ends. Their receivers are boom-or-bust, but if Trubisky and Nagy are as good as Pace believes, they’ll find a way to score points, regardless. And if the receivers are as good as they can be, they’re going to score a lot of points.

This isn’t to say the Bears will have one of the five best offenses in the league, although that is possible. But there’s no reason they shouldn’t be in the middle of the pack — a huge step up from where they’ve been.

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  • SC Dave

    I must agree, AD. Although I would say they should be in the first echelon offensively given the investment; somewhere in the top third of the league.

    • I think 2019 is when we should hope for a top-shelf offense. Every main offensive contributor besides Bobby Massie is still under contract for 2019. Top QB, top 2 RB, top 2 TE, top 3 WR. That will be year 2 of the offense, and that includes a whole host of young players who should be getting better (Trubisky, Shaheen, Cohen, Miller, Daniels will all be entering years 2 or 3 of their career at that point).

      • Sactowns#1

        I will go out on a limb and say White will be a major contributor and will need to be resigned next year. Other than that though, we’re good to go.

        • this is White’s last year as a Bear basically no matter what happens. If he plays well, he gets a bigger deal and more opportunity elsewhere (the Bears are already locked in to a top 3 of Miller, Gabriel, and Robinson through 2019). If he sucks, he’s gone.

          • CanadaBear

            If he plays lights out they will keep him. The guaranteed money runs out after a couple of years on a couple of the other guys + Sims ain’t getting $6 mil next year.

          • evantonio

            Never say never. We didn’t think Sims would be getting that this year.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough!

          • Sactowns#1

            So you’re saying if he has 1500 yards and 10 TD’s and Robinson lays an egg that they wont sign White? That’s insanity.

          • In that unlikely scenario, Pace would have to tag him. Can’t possibly throw him a major multi yr contract .

            The more likely scenario is he gets like 500 yds 2TDs or something. Then he’ll bolt claiming he needs a “fresh start” and opportunity to be the #1 somewhere.

            Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up in GB or Detroit

        • Malice Halice

          White seems to elevate his game when his back is to the wall. K.White bout to go CRAZY!

          • SC Dave

            Like when, exactly, did White ever “elevate his game”?

          • In Madden!

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Combine. When $$$ mattered.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Really, he elevates his game??? Based on what evidence.

          • Hillary is scum

            ”elevate his game”? when?

        • SC Dave

          I would say it is more likely that Anthony Miller doubles Kevin White’s production.

      • John F

        “…that includes a whole host of young players who should be getting better…”

        I have heard this statement, or variations of it, for the last 40 years and I really wonder whether it has any validity. In my humble opinion, you know right away if a player is good because they make plays within the first few games they play. I have rarely seen a player “blossom” after they have played for a while. Now I have seen players be held back because of poor coaching (Goff is a pretty good example of this), but even then you saw flashes of his ability and you knew he could be a good player if given the chance.

        • Miller and Daniels are rookies, so we haven’t had a chance to see flashes from them yet. Trubisky, Shaheen, and Cohen all showed flashes last year, so they’re guys I’m excited for going forward.

  • CanadaBear
    • leftcoastdave

      That is a PR home run. Da Bears take care of their own.

      • Scharfinator

        Like Knox.

      • Rain, rain go away

        The money is available….and the guy deserves it.

      • I don’t think it’s a P.R. move. Halas Hall tends to do the right thing (off the field).

  • leftcoastdave

    This year its the playoffs, maybe the division.

    Next year, the SUPER BOWL, baby!

    • CanadaBear

      I’m a year or two behind ya.

    • Sactowns#1

      What are the odds to win the NFC North? That’s about as far as I’m thinking. Although 100-1 on the Sb warrants a $20 bet.

  • T.dyon

    The Bears offense will be good, because they have the weapons and the scheme.
    RPO’s will force a defense into man coverage, either way Zone or Man, advantage Bears.

    • I’m curious how much RPO will be used. Hopefully it’s only on critical downs or redzone cuz as Watson and Wentz show, it’s not a sustainable long term plan.

      I’m also hoping Trub is smart about like Wilson, and not reckless like aforementioned

      • T.dyon

        the Reason Watson could run RPO’s is because the QB only has to read 1 defensive player.
        It’s as simple as it gets. Watson isn’t capable of to much more than that.

        The reason they are effective is the defender has to decide between run support or coverage. The QB reads his movement post snap and attacks the area he leaves open. He can’t be in 2 places at once.

        • Oh, i know why it’s successful. Just saying it’s not a long term plan in the NFL cuz defenders eventually kill QBs who run it. Even Philly only ran it like 17% of the time, and that was enough to get Wentz hurt. That’s why i would advocate it only on important downs or situations.

          KC actually ran the most RPO and Alex Smith survived, but he’s incredibly saavy and slides a lot.

          Just hoping Trub is more Alex Smith than Wentz when it comes to RPO.

          Now, if we’re in the playoffs, then all bets are off.

          Like Butkus once said “I wouldn’t ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important – like a league game or something”.

          • T.dyon

            There are 3 options, but prefer the QB to handoff or pass not run, But sometimes they do. I agree with the handoff or pass options.

          • Just read this, which is reassuring, “Reporter: “What does Mitch Trubisky need to do to be an effective runner in your system?”

            Matt Nagy: “Get down.”

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            He has to listen. How many QBs have a hard time sliding when they should?

          • A lot. Vick, RG3, even guys like Young (million concussions). That was one of my main concerns w Watson predraft. I was a bit surprised w how brazen (or reckless) Wentz ran last season. Looked like Cam out there supermanning into endzones.

            I think their competitiveness sometimes takes over. I vaguely recall even Mitch last year have a close call when he was running on a play.

            The instincts can’t really be taught or rewired. It’s sorta like pocket presence. You either have a feel for it or you don’t.

            The other extreme is the Peyton curl like biatch in a fetal position if a defender is barrelling in. But hey, he lasted I guess.

          • SC Dave

            To say nothing of playimg what, 3 years(?) after having a broken neck?

  • Malice Halice

    Preseason is gonna be so exciting! The past few years it seems like the preseason reflected how the year was gonna play out. So come August it’s finna go down BEAR DOWN!

    • Yeah, lots of new faces to be excited to see (helps that Pace finally ponied up in FA)

      In the past, usu just excited to see 1st rder, but not this PS.

      Yes, excited to see Roquan fly around, but looking forward to see Nichols, Fits and even that 9er cast off.

      On O, Burton, Miller, Daniels, A-rob, Gabriel, and how Cohen and Trub look in new scheme.

      Practically got a whole new squad on O.

      Hopefully they rest Long, Howard and Amos as much as possible. We know what they bring

  • Sactowns#1

    Guess where I’ll be this weekend. https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/chicago_blues_festival.html/
    If anyone wants to meet up for a nip of Pappy or a local brew, let me know.

    • CanadaBear

      Lots of great acts. Kingston Mines and Buddy Guy’s Legends both have good lineups at night after the Fest if you’re interested. If it were me, I’d be at the Budweiser Crossroads stage on Sunday. Not familiar with the opener but Terrance Simien playing Zydeco will be big fun and the next 3 acts are great if you like Blues. Kingfish is a young guy that can really play and sing. Diunna can belt ’em out with the best of them and J.L. Walker is very talented. Here’s a great cover by JLW. Honestly the Stones should never play the song again after this version.

    • ButtonShoes

      Pappy van Winkle?

  • Trump is issuing a pardon to Mark Trestman for the 2014 NFL Season.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/politics/donald-trump-pardons/index.html

  • Politics aside, Manafort must have some elephant size balls (or peanut brain) to witness tamper while having not one but TWO ankle bracelets whilst under constant Fed surveillance.

    And the funniest part? Manafort apparently used some mickey mouse encryption program but forgot to NOT upload his criminal activity to the cloud!

    As a prosecutor explained, this is like keeping your diary in a lock box while plastering all its contents on every lamppost and tree in the neighborhood
    .

    Foggetaboutit

    • John F

      Here is a counter argument that the tampering charge is weak:

      https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations

      • Manofort’s likely getting locked up next week for it. You’re not even supposed to be talking to witnessess. This is why cops put bank robbers in seperate rooms to interrogate. They don’t allow them to get their stories straight.

        Manofort basically said, “remember when we didnt do deals in the u.s? (Wink wink).’

        The other guy on the line knew the wink and reported it right away. The feds knew the wink. The judge will too.

        Manofort shouldnt even be out period. But he could drag it out as long as he wants. I dont think mueller is feeling any urgency no matter how much faux pressure Giulani and cap tweets are sputtered out. The Clinton and Nixon investigations lasted years. Meuller by all accounts is a methodical shark.

        If i were Manafort, I’d be very worried about doing time while trial is going on. A guard might find him one morning “suicided” russian style.

        • Juan Stone

          Where’s he going to spend his time behind bars?

          A) The Vatican
          B) Buckingham Palace
          C) The Kremlin
          D) Geneva
          E) All of the above

          See what I did there Butch?

          Hee hee

          • Maybe he can bunk w Assange in the Equadorian consolate in Europe, tho they too are telling him “get off my couch, ya bum!”

        • willbest

          Why? What does he know about the Clinton’s?

          I am curious how McCabe begging for immunity factor into your narrative. Because it suggests, as the Obama appointed IG found he did bad bad things. Normal people sort of reason that as he did something illegal and that he has enough on somebody bigger than him to be of value. Well the only people bigger than the #2 at the FBI are Comey, Rosestein, Lynch, and Obama.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Aaaand Aaron Lynch has a hammy ….

  • Am I getting old, or does music suck now? No. It sucks. Some emperical proof…

    https://youtu.be/oVME_l4IwII

    Apparently we can blame it on “the millenial whoop”, drum machines, compression, shorter attention spans, monotone timbre, loudness, tarded lyrics and some swedish guy…

    • SC Dave

      (Have not watched, but…)

      The first culprit to die should be autotuners.

      But they likely predate millenials.

      Looking back, MTV did more to destroy music than anything other than film itself.

      Once how the performer LOOKED became more important than how s/he SOUNDED, music was on the downward spiral.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But that was in the 1950s/60s too. All those white chick singers wheeled out for the cameras when it was the black doo-wop girls singing on the actual songs …

        • CanadaBear

          Or take Little Richard’s or Big Joe Turner’s hits and cover them with white guys (Pat Boone and Bill Haley). Or cover it with most non-threatening Black man on the planet (Chubby Checker vs Hank Ballard). The music industry has been hideously corrupt for as long as they have been recording it.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      You are getting old, but most of it sucks. Way over produced. The decline of the singer songwriters. The inability of “bands” to even play an instruments. Back in the late 80s and 90’s MTV had a show called ‘Unplugged’, I actually enjoyed it, not sure if it is still around. Bands would go acoustic, if most “bands” did that now days they would just be singing acapella.

      I have never been that big into music, I don’t know names of bands much less any songs. And I will admit my radio is usually just tuned to a top 40 station in the car, I use it usually just for background noise while driving. To be honest I have gone days driving and never realised the radio was off. The music all sounds pretty much the same. With that said I have noticed a slight change the past few years, there are a few more “bands” starting to go away from the over-produced sounds of the points you mentioned. Those songs pretty much jump out at you when you are used to listening to the same sounding crap.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think every generation goes thru its “the kids suck” rants. There has been crap music in every decade. The Millennial Whoop? In the 80s it was BPM. In the 90s it was samples.

      There’s like 7 notes on a major scale. Mass-produced shit for the masses is bound to sound repetitive.

  • BuddhaJoe

    Man so Nagy went to the funeral of a firefighting hero he didn’t know and the McCaskeys pay out to Zach just to make sure he gets medical care. Say what what you will about their competence, they’re classy, caring folks. I’ll take them over fucking ghouls like Jerrah any day.

    • SC Dave

      This. And why there are certain players the Bears should simply not employ.

      But mistake happen… lile that fucling would-be cocaine lord.

      Funny, but my selective memory always omits those kind of assholes.

      Hurd, was it?

      • Sam Turd!
        I always think of him as a Cowboy. And he was like the 4rth WR on the roster, like Deonte Thompson territory.

        Also, in Halas Hall’s defense, who the hell thinks an FA is an undercover drug lord? Lol

        I think the feds had him under survailance but they’re not about to let the Bears in on the investigation.

        Kinda curious now how it all went down

      • Irish Sweetness

        I thought Hurd was dealing weed .. .which would be insane for an NFL player, but ….

    • Irish Sweetness

      Call me cynical – and I know nobody would – but to me that’s all about getting ‘likes’.

      • ButtonShoes

        That’s exactly what it is. The McCaskeys and The Bears know their image in this town is complete trash. And suddenly, on the verge of a new season with a new coach and a revamped roster, stories like this come out. It’s calculated.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Bizarro.

    Remember Friends?

    Check this shit out without the laugh track. Remember – this was ‘written’ and sold as ‘comedy’.

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