Five Things The Bears Can Learn From the Eagles: Part II

| January 24th, 2018

The series continues…

3. Good Coordinators Matter

So much of the credit for the Eagles success has gone to their offensive coaching staff, but they also have one of the five best defenses in the league. A defense that harassed Case Keenum again and again. I have a strong dislike for Jim Schwartz and the constant sour puss face he has on. The guy threw a fit because Jim Harbaugh shook his hand too hard. But he built a bully defense and they are fun to watch.

Say what you will about Keenum, but the Vikings offense was legitimately good this year. And Schwartz’s defense just pushed them around.

The Bears hope they have this same formula with Vic Fangio and they may be right. Fangio built defenses that pushed good offenses around in the playoffs. The 2017 Bears defense was better than the 2016 Eagles defense so it isn’t unreasonable to think they could have a similar leap into the top five. Especially if…

2. Keep Adding Pass Rushers

The Bears had one of the best pass rushes in the league in 2017. I don’t care. Add more guys who can get the quarterback.

The Eagles didn’t need to improve their defensive line after the 2016 season because they were certainly good enough. Then they added Timmy Jernigan, Chris Long and Derek Barnett. Jernigan helped them completely shut down the Vikings run game while Long and Barnett both help create takeaways.

With the eighth pick in the draft, the Bears could have a chance to add another premier edge rusher. While I doubt Bradley Chubb will be available, they could grab a player like Marcus Davenport from Texas San Antonio or Harold Landry from Boston College. Or they could look at improving the rush from the defensive line and grab Michigan’s Maurice Hurst.

They could make a big push for DeMarcus Lawrence in free agency or sign a couple of lesser-known guys like Aaron Lynch and bring back Lamarr Houston.

It doesn’t matter how they do it, but they need to keep adding guys who can harass the quarterback.

1. Stack The Deck for Your QB

This entire list could’ve been made up of things the Eagles did to help their quarterback. It’s why we saw Carson Wentz become an MVP candidate and why we saw Nick Foles torch the best defense in the league.

Start with the coach. Doug Pederson has designed an incredibly quarterback-friendly offense and is a brilliant play caller. He added a former QB as his OC and has a highly-regarded QB coach.

Then, look at the offensive line. The Eagles have one of the best lines in the league, even without Jason Peters. Lane Johnson plays on the right side but he’s one of the best tackles you’re going to find.

They have a top-15 wide receiver in Alshon Jeffery and two other guys who can make plays in Nelson Agholor and Torrey Smith. Mack Hollins would play a lot on most other teams. They also have one of the five best tight ends (Ertz) in the league and another guy who can make plays in Trey Burton.

Their top three running backs combined for nearly 1,500 yards with an average well over 4.5 yards per carry.

They’re just stacked across the board. If the Bears want put Mitch Trubisky in the most ideal situation, they’re going to look hard at what the Eagles did. Don’t target one specific player, just stockpile as much talent as you can.

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  • CanadaBear

    I think Gym Shorts objected to the slap on the back more than the handshake. Both a couple of extreme douchebags.

    As long as they get a great player at a position of need, I don’t care who they take at #8.

    • evantonio

      You wouldn’t be happy with a kicker.

      • willbest

        I can come to appreciate the pick if he is 99% through the uprights, outside, from the opening kick off spot

      • CanadaBear

        I think Al Davis is dead.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    It’s a good thing they decided to break this post into two parts…..

    • willbest

      I am pretty certain we all needed the morning to reflect upon the first two points. In fact, I really didn’t want the 5th point until after 8pm. This is just too much to digest all at once.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Honestly I’ve never been to a Bears/Packers game.”

    Me, neither.

    But good friend, and blog lurker, Jermiah was a Bullfrog, was at Soldier Field December 20, 1983 to watch the Bears end Bart Starr’s 9 year stint as Green Bay’s head coach with a 23-21 defeat of the Packers.

    The game dropped the Pack to 8-8 and cost them a shot at a playoff spot that season.

    • Zorba

      I was at the 6-3 Bears home win in ’78, I believe. Sadly, due to the long lines for the pisser, I didn’t get to see the winning FG. Let me tell ya, it was a real thriller….. sigh.

      • SC Dave

        Reminds me of when I saw Northwestern play a thriller at Zupke in Champaign that very same year.


    • BearDown100393

      I have.

      Favre killed us.

      F*ck Favre.

  • This is good stuff Andrew. All good points, and I think the Bears are fairly well suited to at least try and heed each of them.

    The one I worry about a bit out of all these, honestly, is the defense. I don’t know that Fangio has the aggressive killer instince Schwartz does. He tends to play it safe more than I would like instead of crushing the opposition. Maybe that changes a bit with Fox gone, but he wasn’t super aggressive in SF either. I think he does a good job overall but doesn’t scheme specific to opponents game to game all that much.

    • BearDown100393

      I still do not understand what Vic Fangio really wanted before agreeing to another contract in Chicago.

      He wanted to be with his girlfriend in California?

      Was he expecting to be a DC or HC in LA, Oakland or San Fran?

      • I think he just wanted to live in California instead of Chicago.

        Lot of Chicagoans in California.

        It’s sunny and 70 right now.

    • You’re right, Fangio doesn’t have that killer instinct.

      And I’m not sure he’s smart enough to make adjustments.

      Like Patricia started off the Jag’s game playing contain Bortles. But once Bortles was just sitting back there and dumping off 5yds at a time, he adjusted and began blitzing more, and used that corner blitz on critical downs to rattle Bortles.

      Does Fangio have that sort of acumen? That sort of aggression?

      Haven’t really seen it.

      He’s a lot like Lovie in that way. He relies on his players executing more than he does on creative schemes and adjustments.

      • Bender McLugh

        Completely agree. He relied heavily on Patrick Willis, which this D does not have. He’s still doing very well without that stud playmaker

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ve never seen any adjustment from Fangio. Saw it from Lovie et al, not Fangio.

  • Also, I don’t think Alshon is one of the 15 best WRs in the NFL. Here’s how he’s finished in receiving yards the last several years:

    2017: 34th
    2016: 45th
    2015: 42nd
    2014: 14th
    2013: 6th

    There’s certainly more to the position than just yards, but he hasn’t played like a top 15 WR since 2014 now.

    I absolutely agree with the general premise that they have an abundance of good weapons, though, and I have been arguing for a while that’s the approach the Bears need to take this offseason.

    • BearDown100393

      He is miles better than any current Bears receiver.

      • That’s a different conversation

        • BearDown100393

          So who is out there via free agency or draft (God help us all) able to replace him?

          • I would rather have Cam Meredith than Alshon Jeffery. People underestimate just how big his loss was.

            Then get 2 competent FAs (out of Al Wilson, Tavon Austin-he’ll be cut-Paul Richardson, Marquise Lee, Taylor Gabriel, probably a few more names I’m forgetting here) and draft a WR in the middle rounds.

            Add in a backup TE who can replace Zach Miller and that’s a deep and diverse set of weapons.

          • SC Dave

            And I’d rather have Alshon Jeffery than Kevin White.

            Regarding Meredith, we’ll see how he comes back from the knee.

            The injury was not as horrible as it looked (major damage confined to ACL – other ligaments not wasted) and happened early in the season. If he is not participating in the OTAs with few restrictions, it will be time to start worrying methinks.

          • I thought he suffered nerve damage?

          • Bender McLugh

            Same, hopefully not

          • BearDown100393

            Cam Meredith has never shown to be better than Alshon Jeffery on the grid.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s not true.

            Tell me what is wrong with this picture:

            I’ll tell you one thing – he’s not soft. Cam is a baller. Look at the dudes we have!
            99 problems and a Cam ain’t one ….

          • Irish Sweetness

            We won’t get a 6’4 studly tyope in FA, so maybe the draft is the place to find a lanky young man.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s not miles better than Cam. I don’t even think he is better.

    • willbest

      He missed games in 2015 and 2016. I am surprised he managed 34th in 2017 though. His catch % went to shit this year and he was the 3rd option for most the year. Perhaps with better chemistry with Wentz we will see him elevate into a top 20 talent in 018.

    • Bender McLugh

      Playoffs in the red zone, he’s top 15.

  • evantonio

    HEY. Y’all gotta relax. Kevin White’s brother says he’s the real deal:

    ‘‘I know a lot of people got a lot of bad stuff to say,’’ Kyzir said Tuesday at the Senior Bowl. ‘‘But when he turns it around, you’ll see. They’ll see for sure.’’

    • BearDown100393

      Awesome. I’m sold.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Wait….one son was named with a common name like Kevin.

      And another named Kyzir?

      (damn it, I’ve been misspelling Kyzir for years now.)

    • Kyzir also said the greatest trick the devil pulled on the world is convincing it he didn’t exists…

      • Irish Sweetness

        Think Spacey loved Keyser Sosa much?

        The devil living in plain sight.

      • evantonio

        Nah. The greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing the world the pee tapes don’t exist. 😉

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m pulling for the kid. I don’t know that you can be great … and then just be shit …really quickly.

      • evantonio

        He’s going to come out and have the ultimate Fuck You season. Then refuse to sign with us and leave for Cleveland after their magical 17-2 super bowl season.

  • John F

    There are so many holes to fill on the Bears roster (in no particular order):

    CB (2)
    OLB (2)
    TE (1 or 2)
    WR (3)
    RG (Long is done)
    RB (backup)
    QB (backup)

    • BearDown100393

      It used to be much worse.

      • John F

        That’s just bodies we need to get, the positions I didn’t list are average to above-average at best. There are no playmakers/game changers at all on the current roster.

        • sure, if you ignore Jordan Howard, Cam Meredith, Tarik Cohen, Akiem Hicks, Danny Trevathan, and Eddie Jackson.

          While I agree the top-end talent is not where it needs to be, you’re massively overstating it.

          • John F

            There were flashes from those guys in a few games. We need guys that affect the majority of games in a positive way. I just don’t see consistent production – most of those guys disappear for several games in a row.

          • Agree.

            Outside Hicks, we don’t have a single AP who forces opponents to gameplan.

            Teams right now just say’ Ok. Double Hicks. Stack 8 in the box and blitz on 3rd. Win”

            And they’re right because we have no playmakers.

          • Bender McLugh

            Wow…completely disagree. Unless your are talking the injured squad that fielded the last few games. A fully healthy D is not what you are describing.

          • Name one AP on the Bears (outside Hicks).

          • Bender McLugh

            my point is that a fully healthy D would have more than just Hicks, and they don’t need to be an AP to be impact players, like Fuller & Floyd for example. Just seems a more pessimistic view than realistic.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No Leonard Floyd love on here?

          • Except Hicks, All those guys are good, not great.

            Lattimore>Eddie Jackson

            One might counter, “oh, but it’s not fair to compare them to great players”

            Why not?

            Not claiming we could’ve got all those great players, just saying we need those TYPES.

            More APs and less PB alternates.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Let’s see Cam come back healthy first. Ditto Hicks.

            Completely different team if those two are missing.

          • CanadaBear

            Why would Hicks be missing?

        • Bender McLugh

          You are hilariously delusional

    • Zorba

      We don’t need a FG kicker or a punter?

      • John F

        You are right, I forgot them. Throw ’em on the pile ……

      • Punter for sure.

        K will be either DeSantos or Nugent.

        Considering Nagy was a Chiefs guy, DeSantos might have the edge.

        Coaches love retread Ks.

        • Punter will likely be O’Donnell, which is just fine. He’s not a stud, but he’s solid.

          • Solid?

            Dude punts 30 yders at the WORST times, the times when it’s tied and we need to flip field position.

            And he’s not known for pinning teams inside the 20, much less 10, even when he’s punting from midfield.

            He needs to go.

          • Evaluating punters statistically is admittedly difficult, because even looking at inside the 20s vs. touchbacks can vary depending on coverage units and where you’re punting from.

            That said, O’Donnell has fluctuated a bit in the last few years but generally been around average overall in those categories. He’s nothing special, but he’s not bad either.

            Again, if they can upgrade him fine, but it’s not like they have some glaring weakness there.

          • I think we absolutely need to upgrade him. I can almost guarantee you know one will pick him up. He needs to go. He’ll be alright in his McLaren.

            We’re in LAST place. This isn’t the time to be complacent.

            As Pace would say, gotta be bold.

            Replace him. How awesome would it be if we land a P who can pin dudes under the 10 or flip field position regularly?

            He NEEDS to go. It’s up to Pace to find an upgrade.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Forget Massie …. let’s upgrade Leno while we’re at it …

            I mean, why not? Remember what Sandra Bullock said? The first cheque you write is for the quarterback … then the second is for …. the … gas? Wait … no …. life insurance …….look … fool me once … and it’s your fault …. fool me twice …. and … no wait ….. ah.

            Anyways, Sandy knows football.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m with Butch. What’s wrong with having standards? Where’s the guy that’s scouting for the next Ray Guy?

            Damn, I saw Randall Cunningham punt the damn thing 70 yards the other day.
            To our younger blog-ites, Randall was not a punter.

    • evantonio

      only 2 WR. you clearly didn’t see my post below with a quote from K.White’s brother.

    • SC Dave

      I agree we need*at least* one guard, and maybe two. I think the Bears may have to rely on Kush and Morgan, which is a little scary.

      Are you assuming that TE Sims is gone, or is that scenario the “or 2” part?

      • John F

        Sims needs replacing, he was total non-factor

        • Irish Sweetness

          He costs us six million a year, right? He’s an easy cut.

      • I’m fine with Kush as the top backup/starter if Long can’t go.

        Honestly, my plan this offseason would be to replace Sitton with a younger FA and assume 1 of Kush or Long will get you through 2018 at the other spot.

    • I’m gonna disagree on some of these.

      If they re-sign Fuller and Prince, they just need a CB to groom behind Prince. That comes in the middle rounds of the draft.

      S is set with Jackson and Amos.

      If they re-sign Unrein, they don’t need anything at DE for another year while they see what Bullard and RRH become.

      Massie is adequate at RT, but there is zero depth behind him. They don’t NEED a RT, but could certainly use one.

      They need 1 OG, and that’s only if they cut Sitton. Otherwise Sitton, Long, Kush is a perfectly adequate top 3, even with Long’s injury concerns.

      I’d be A-ok with Howard, Cohen, Cunningham at RB, though I wouldn’t be opposed to adding cheap competition there. It’s certainly not a hole though.

      Same at QB with Sanchez as the backup.

      They absolutely need at least 2 WRs, 2 OLB ready to play significant snaps next year. The rest could theoretically be managed in-house, though I’d add at least 1 CB and OT ready to be the top backup. Then you’re getting into more wants than needs (upgrade Dion Sims at TE2, etc.)

      • And like Zorba said, K is definitely a need as well.

        • Bender McLugh

          Ted Nugent baby, he’s got the wirey part down at least

      • John F

        Problem is, we need 15 guys at least and we have no 3rd round pick this year so if we bat 1.000 in the draft we may get three guys who can play. This is at least another three years of drafting just to get to .500 and by that time the 2016-2017 guys are coming out of their rookie contracts. That’s not counting probably half a dozen starters (if we are lucky) that will get injured and go on IR each year.

        We are so far in the hole I don’t know how it can ever get fixed.

        • You are out of your mind negative on this team. With proper coaching, a normal year 2 step forward for Trubisky, and better injury luck this team will be .500 or better next year.

          They’ve already had 3 good drafts in a row. They don’t need 3 more to be average.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            You might as well be talking politics at the annual family reunion. The overall outlook on the Bears generally falls into two camps, dumpster fire, or trending up. I guess there’s a small third faction that thinks next year they’ll be a real threat. John F is all the way negative. You aren’t going to change his mind. Only wins will do that.

            I believe the Bears are turning the corner right now. I expect the Bears to be playing meaningful games next December. I expect Pace to get the Bears a few longer term, bonafide starters in Free Agency this spring but stop short of making a giant splash. We’ll see. If Nagy turns Trubisky into what I think he will be, the Bears will be a threat this year and an expected playoff team the next.

          • John F

            You are right, too much scar tissue I guess …………

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I get it.

          • Here’s the thing. Both camps are valid.

            I could sit here and list all the FAs Pace has fucked us with (cough cough Glennon) I could sit here and list all the players Pace could’ve drafted (cough cough Vic Beasly). I could sit here and blame Pace for being OK with the Fox hire, and holding him for a season too long, which built a losing culture and made the Bears last in the NFCN (again).

            I could also sit here and list the positives – but the positives are all based on IFs.

            IF Trub and Nagy is the real (don’t know this yet).
            IF Pace actually signs impact FAs and not blue light specials (Still waiting)
            IF Pace drafts great
            IF they stay healthy (haven’t’)

            If a fan is optimistic, then he’s going to believe, on faith, that those IFs will fall the Bears way (because we all know the alternative if they don’t)

            So in a way, Fandom is like Juno – One set of eyes is looking backwards. One set of eyes is looking forward.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think you’re right about the “…and an expected playoff team the next.”

            And we’re definitely trending upwards … but the dumpster fire is also available.

            Next year is an ask. Two more drafts.

          • John F

            Easy to be negative when the Bears have not been serious contenders for even the playoffs for most the last 25 years.

            They have had three average to above average drafts in the last two years, and in 2015 they got Goldman who is inconsistent and Amos who was average until slightly above average this year.

          • Lemme ask you this – how did the Jags turn it around before the Bears?

          • John F

            They played two division teams that sucked (Colts/Texans) because they lost their QB’s. They also beat the Bengals and the Browns. That’s six of their ten wins. They will be 6-10 next year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But they’re 60 minutes away from doing what we haven’t been able to do in over 30 years….

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Hahahahaha. Irish.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            The Jags went 10-6 this year in a shit division. Look at their previous decade and tell me you think they’ve “turned it around”.

            I think this year is the outlier at 10-6.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            They’ve averaged 4.5 wins a season prior to this year’s 10-6.

            If you want to crown their asses, then crown em.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            The Bears have won 20 more games than the Jags in the last decade. That includes the whole John Fox era.

            Holy shit.

          • For the first half of the last decade the Bears were consistently good. People act like they’ve sucked for forever, but from 2005-13 they were average or better every single year. The last 4 years of shit make it easy to forget that.

          • John F


            Except for 2005, 2006 and 2010 the Bears were 39-41. I guess that’s maybe average although they were never serious contenders to get to the playoffs, let alone win a playoff game. In my mind, that sucks.

          • Well sure, if you remove their 3 best seasons in a 7 year span, then they were average in the other half. Thus average or better for that stretch.

          • John F

            I will become a believer if we can have two winning seasons in a row. I have seen that only once in the last 25 years.

          • Do you believe Nagy is the next McVay?

          • BearDown100393

            Do you?

          • Hard to say where Andy ended and Nagy began.

            But Andy’s coaching tree has been competent.

            Just dumping Fox will be addition by subtraction in my book. Fox gone alone is worth 2 more wins.

          • BearDown100393

            The pressure is now squarely on Pace to deliver better players to Nagy – specifically offense.

          • Yes, and perhaps the biggest benefit of resigning Fangio is that Nagy, much like McVay, will be able to focus primarily on offense, including talent evaluation.

            Maybe Pace isn’t great at evaluating offensive weapons, but Nagy was on board in the process of finding guys like Kelce, Hunt, and Tyreek Hill, so have to figure his experience will help Pace find real weapons – or at least prevent him from signing bozos like Wheaton or Sims.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And the biggest loss of re-signing Fanny-O will be the loss of Kyle Fuller, who is drastically more important to us than FannyFace … and I hope that is not the case.

          • CanadaBear

            Fuller is on record talking about how much he likes and respects Fangio. It’s all about the money.

          • John F

            Other than TE, TE, RT, LG, RG, WR, WR, WR what else do we need on offense?

          • John F

            I have no idea.

            I like Nagy’s coordinator hires so far, but we are SOOOOO far away as far as talent from even being a .500 team.

            The Bears have been searching for a consistently good head coach since Ditka, so I have to assume Nagy will flop given the last 30 years.

          • Bender McLugh


          • Irish Sweetness

            Whoa nelly.

            Who is John McVay without Todd Gurley and that line and that defense?

            The circle jerk over Co-ordinators needs to stop. These guys are not brain surgeons. Run it left. Run it right. Run through that hole. Throw it here. Catch it there. Jeez ….

          • The Rams had nearly the identical team with Fisher and McVay.

            Check out Gurley’s YPA under Fisher and under McVay and tell me HC/OCs don’t matter.

          • John F

            nine year span

          • Irish Sweetness

            They’re in the Superbowl!

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)


          • They look way better than the Bears right now. When was the last time we were competitive against New England – at gillette – in the playoffs?

            Are the Bears even close to sniffing that

            The answer is – they drafted GREAT players like Ramsey – they signed GREAT FAs like Calais Campbell and Bouye.

            They didn’t hire and keep John Hobo Fox.

            That’s the correct answer, and that didn’t happen a decade ago.

            If you want to say they’re outliers, fine.

            But if they get Alex Smith or Cousins, you think they’re not gonna be better than us next season?

            Heck, even the 9ers turned it around more quickly than the Bears, and they were absolute dogshit not 2 yrs ago.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            The Niners finished strong with Garappolo for sure. But let’s wait and see what they are next year before declaring that a turn around. They beat the Bears by a point and didn’t get in the end zone. And that’s with Fox coaching.

            You’re extending a courtesy to the Niners you aren’t extending the Bears here.

          • The 9ers won down the stretch, including beating us with just Robbie FGs.

            Those are results.

            If we string together 4 wins or so, I’d extend the same courtesy to the Bears.

            It has to cease being theoretical.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Beats our 5-11 ….

          • Bender McLugh

            With Bortles.

          • BearDown100393

            Tom Coughlin in charge of football operations.

          • EnderWiggin

            I didn’t watch Jax much this year, but in the playoffs their O line played some of the best O line football I have ever seen.

          • I was pretty shocked by that too.

            They were bullying the Pat’s esp in the first half.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            They had $100+ mil in cap space a couple years ago and spent it on their D.

          • Bender McLugh

            BOOM diggity

          • We had nearly as much. Plus, according to that article Leftcoast cited, Pace actually offered more than the Jags, but Bouye still said no thanks.

            Not to mention that the Bears spent the most in FAs this season, so it has little to do with the $ for the grocery and more to do with the person shopping for it.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            We never had that much cap space. Also as an NFL player whose future contracts usually depends on stats, would you go to a division you don’t know, or a division where you have watched loads of tape on opposing offenses and WRs. Familiarity is a factor. QB quality is a factor. Opposing WRs are a factor. Also at the time Jax had a better core of players.

            We spent the most mainly because of Glennon’s contract. We also had a lot of holes to fill.

            We have already hashed out Pace’s habits. Most all contracts are prove it deals with easy outs, while he built through the draft. I personally think it was a good idea. I fully expect him to get a couple big named FAs this year.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            also I want to throw this out there. There is a big difference between a $10mill a year contract in Illinois and a $10 mill a year contract in a state that has NO State income tax. I would be curious on actually how much more Pace offered, that he turned down.

          • Irish Sweetness

            90 Million spent on their defense? And they drafted a stud RB – that Ryan Pace doesn’t have and passed over.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We just won 5 games after Pace’s third year. Anyone taking positives from Pace at this point is ramped up on the kool-aid. 3 years and the roster is Still dogshit. That’s not being negative, that’s a fact.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Fuller and ‘If’ are very closely intertwined.

        • Bender McLugh

          Kush is an if too

    • CB agree. I read that article last thread that said Bears actually offered Bouye more $ than Jags, but Bears didn’t attract him. I would assume because of the losing culture which Pace has overlooked.

      As such, I expect Pace won’t be able to keep Fuller. Maybe Prince, but that still would mean Bears need a #1 CB.

      SS I’m curious about. Demps was hurt all year, while Amos played above avg.

      Is above avg good enough for this new staff? Will they prize INTs over hard hits?

      OLB for sure. McPhee done. Acho is a backup. Young is older.

      Bring back Houston? Crazy, I know but he looked good late season.

      We need more Oline period. Wanted Poe and Baker last yr. Of course, Pace gambled on Jaye Howard, Bullard and Rob Roy. Need more beef.

      TE. Is Sims good for ANYTHING? If he’s at least a good run blocker, maybe keep him for that. Still might need a project TE not white and not from an ivy league.

      RT can def get upgraded. Though Massie is servicable esp in the run.

      OG should’ve traded Long last season. He’ll break down and the Oline will have to reshuffle.

      I am curious about Kush and Morgan, esp Kush who I thought played well before the INJ.

      If an OG from Wisc drops on our lap in the later rds, take him.

      RB. Always take a mid rd flier. HOWEVER, I do like Benny, esp since he can return.

      If we do replace him, I would like that mold of RB. Explosive returner who can take it to the house with soft hands.

      QB. Already stated my plan on this.

      Tyrod Taylor and project QB (Lamar Jackson?). Trub is no sure thing, and I don’t want this rebuild to go until I’m 50 fat, bald and limp.

      • Re: Amos… You don’t throw away an above average (or average) player on a cheap rookie deal. That’s stupid. You ride them for all their worth while it’s dirt cheap to do so, because they’re giving you production that’s worth 10x more than what they’re getting paid.

        Nobody has 22 studs playing for them.

        • Not saying to throw him away.

          But he’s a borderline back-up. Will the new regime want a playmaker, or will they be happy with a Toyota Camry?

          • You just said he’s above-average. How is above-average a borderline backup?

            If the chance to upgrade him falls in their laps, great, but you certainly don’t prioritize it when you have a solid starter in place who has a cap hit of $763k next year.

          • I should rephrase that.

            LAST YR he played slightly above avg.

            The other two years, he played avg to below avg (which is why he was benched and Demps signed).

            OBVIOUSLY he wasn’t good enough or Pace/Fangio wouldn’t have signed Demps.

            But he did look better than avg last season.

            He’s sorta like Massie. Servicable, but can be upgraded.

          • last year he finally played his actual position of SS instead of being forced to play out of position at FS, which is not his strength.

            Eddie Jackson fixed both safety spots. What a great pick.

            Absolutely agree you can upgrade him. Just don’t see the need to do that right now when he has a year of cheap, solid play left.

          • You think Demps is cut?

            He seems like a leader type, and while he looked bad before the INJ, seems like it would be premature.

            It’s not like Bears’ cap is hurting.

          • IMO he’s as good as gone. There’s going to be a big purge of overpriced veterans this offseason. Demps, Glennon, Sims, Wheaton, McPhee, Young, Sitton, Freeman are all gone IMO.

            It’s now come out in the last 2 weeks that 3 of Pace’s top targets last offseason took less money to go elsewhere because of QB and coaching concerns. That should no longer be the case, so I expect him to go big on a couple guys at need positions, only this time guys will actually be willing to come.

            They have the young core. Now it’s time to get some better veteran talent around it.

          • I would probably keep him just for depth.
            But if Pace drafts a SS in the top 4 rds, then cut Demps.

            Just a matter of who’s available.

            I don’t see Pace signing SS in FA back to back season, and Amos like we agree is servicable, but can be upgraded.

            Given the history of INJs (though Amos has been solid), might lean towards keeping Demps as insurance.

          • EnderWiggin

            If healthy, I think the Bears would more likely to keep Sitton and let Long go. I still think they both stay though. Another name on your list I’d keep is Willie. https://www.instagram.com/p/BajwgdVHzxh/

          • That’s cool. I like Willie. Must’ve sucked for him switching from a wide 9 DE to an OLB, but he’s earned his $.

            I’d keep all those guys for camp (including bringing Houston back) and make them compete for a spot.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I thought you guys said there were no differences between the Safety positions on Fangio’s D …? If you’re in zone and the TE swings your way … you’re the SS at that point.

          • Bender McLugh

            The Urlacher/Brown Effect. I believe they are teaching this curriculum in schools now

      • SC Dave

        Well, not fat, bald, nor limp, but will soon be 60. Is that bad enough for the rebuild to get done *this year*?

        • I’m not skeptical. It can be done, but Pace will need an A+ offseason.

          Not his usual B draft and D- FAs.


          Knock our socks off in the draft and FA.

          And naturally, Nagy and Bisky will have to pan out. If they suck, then the rest will be like putting bacon and cheese on a shit-burger.

  • “They have a top-15 wide receiver in Alshon Jeffery”

    Good thing we signed Wheaton, or this would suck.

    • BearDown100393

      Wheaton really got stiffed not getting a Pro Bowl nod.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They’re biased towards catches and Touchdowns and shit like that.

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  • Also, from last thread, the Bears do NOT need a bulldozer.

    They have the best one in Howard (he’s better than Blount).

    What they might need is a Hunt-type HB familiar with WCO.

    • EnderWiggin

      I think Howard is better for wearing down a D and getting a big gain late. But if I need one yard on 4th and 1 – I’m handing off to Blount.
      Edit: Doesn’t Cohen fill the WCO roll?

      • Hmmm. Maybe. Blount avg 4.4 this yr, while Howard 4.1 (but how much of that was because the 8 man boxes Howard faced?)

        I know Howard is usually close to tops in YAC, but can’t seem to find where I can compare both with that.

        Blount is a great banger, no doubt, but I feel like Howard is a bit more explosive in those first 2 yds, and has better vision.

        Then again, there’s something to be said about a 6′ 250 cokemachine running ppl over.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Plus Howard is 23 and Blount is 31.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If we have one back in there, he’d better be able to do it all a la Bell/Gurley/Elliott etc.

      Love Jordan as a banger, but if he’s in there, it’s probably a run.

      • Agree, but sometimes sinking $ into a top 5 HB is not best allocation of cap.

        Look at the two SB contenders.

        They’re both committees.

        It’s all about the coaches knowing how to use them.

    • Bender McLugh

      Dion Lewis, crazy good

  • If we were in the hunt for a GM, Gettleman would’ve been at the top of the list:

    “If you take a guy just to take a guy, especially at the quarterback position, and he fails, you set yourself back five years,” Gettleman said. “You set yourself back five years because there are teams that are
    in what I call quarterback hell. They’ve got quality defense, they’ve got a good special teams, and they’re going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7. And now if there is a legitimate guy, they’ve got to trade up and give away the farm to get the guy.”


    • ButtonShoes

      Good God. He’s describing the Lovie Smith/Jerry DeAngelo years to a T.

  • Bender McLugh

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