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Data Entry: Tracking Trubisky’s 2017 Growth Through “The Quarters Lens”

| January 16th, 2018

Former Bears coach Lovie Smith always talked about breaking the NFL season down into quarters, which splits a 16-game season into 4-game sample sizes. I’ve always thought that was a good way to look at it, as grouping four games together helps smooth some of the statistical noise of individual good or bad games.

With that in mind, I want to track Mitchell Trubisky’s rookie season through the quarters lens. Trubisky sat out the first quarter of the season, but took every offensive snap for each of the last three quarters. Let’s see how he progressed through those.


Usage

First, I want to point out that Trubisky was tasked with doing more in each quarter.

In his first 4 games, Trubisky had the ball in his hands on only 26.5 plays per game. Coaches tried to minimize what he had to do, which was why more plays featured handoffs and fewer featured him ending the play with a pass attempt, sack, or run.

In Trubisky’s 5th-8th games, that number increased to 34.3 plays per game, and it took another jump to 39.8 plays per game in the last four games.

For the 32 qualified passers in the NFL this year (224 or more pass attempts), the mean and median were both 38.2 pass attempts, meaning Trubisky was being given as much responsibility (in terms of plays per game) as an average quarterback by the end of the season. This clearly shows that coaches were willing to put more responsibility on Trubisky’s shoulders as the season wore on, which is a good sign.


Efficiency

Now let’s see what Trubisky did with those increasing workloads. The table below shows basic efficiency data for the three quarters of the season that Trubisky played, as well as the NFL average (based on full passing stats for all 32 teams) and median NFL value (average of 16th and 17th best in that category of the 32 qualified passers). All data is from the excellent Game Play Finder at Pro Football Reference.

Here we can clearly see that, by and large, Trubisky improved statistically as the season wore on and his workload increased. That’s a very good sign. Increasing your workload and improving your efficiency is a difficult combination to achieve.

And now for a brief look at a few specific points I’d like to highlight:

  • Completion percentage is where you see the clearest sign of growth. Completing less than half of your passes, like Trubisky did in his first 4 starts, is simply not tenable. That’s Tim Tebow and Caleb Hanie territory. Trubisky quickly fixed that after the bye, and it wasn’t a problem going forward.
  • The yards per attempt was never a huge problem, though it also improved late in the season. Again, Trubisky was performing at or above average by the last quarter of the season, which is fantastic to see for a rookie quarterback working with sub-par weapons.
  • Likewise, interceptions were never really a problem for Trubisky. I’m not focusing on the slight differences between quarters, as those can bounce a bit due to the small number of interceptions (he had 2, 2, and 3 in the three quarters). Trubisky’s interception percentage was consistently right around NFL average, which is good to see for a rookie.
  • Those are 3 of the 4 variables that go into determining passer rating, and Trubisky performed at or above average in all of them for basically the last 8 games of the season, and especially the last 4. Yet his passer rating was consistently below average. That must mean he didn’t do so well in the last variable-touchdown percentage-and indeed, that one is consistently low. Trubisky only threw 7 touchdowns in 330 pass attempts, but that’s quite normal for young quarterbacks. The only qualified QB with a lower touchdown rate than Trubisky was fellow rookie CJ Beathard, and the rest of the bottom 5 were all first-time starters (DeShone Kizer, Jacoby Brissett, Brett Hundley).
  • So that’s the main statistical challenge for Trubisky going forward: figure out how to throw more touchdowns without throwing more interceptions. One advantage Trubisky has over some of his fellow young QBs is that they have to figure out how to throw more touchdowns and fewer interceptions. It’s not as simple as to say “throw more touchdowns,” there’s a lot more that goes into it than that, but statistically speaking that’s the area where you would hope to see the most improvement from Trubisky in 2018. And there’s recent context for that happening. 2017 sophomores Carson Wentz and Jared Goff both saw their touchdown percentage more than double from their rookie to sophomore seasons, while their interception rates stayed the same or decreased.

Passer Rating

Now for a brief comment on passer rating. Before the 2017 season, I found that, historically speaking, rookie QBs drafted in the first round are likely to be good if their passer rating is within 10 points of the median qualified passer. Trubisky’s overall passer rating was 77.5, 11.7 points lower than the median and thus just out of that range. This is basically due to the low completion percentage in those first 4 games, but alas, only 3 out of 11 quarterbacks who were outside of that 10 point range panned out. The Bears have to hope Trubisky bucks the odds a bit there. For what it’s worth, I think he will, and I think the improvements he made in the final 8 games help support that belief. Maybe later this offseason I’ll do a study looking at improvement through the rookie season for QBs from that sample.


Sacks

Finally, a comment on sacks. The rate at which Trubisky was sacked dropped throughout every quarter, but still remained above league average. I’m not worried about that. As I noted earlier, that was largely driven by a high sack percentage on 3rd and 4th down, when the Bears were consistently behind the chains and he had to wait for sub-par receivers to work open down the field. His 1st and 2nd down sack rates were in line with Chicago’s 2016 rates in the same situations, and that offense was better than average at avoiding sacks.

It’s also worth considering that maybe Trubisky got sacked a lot in part because he’s a rookie, and I’m sure this contributes some as well. For what it’s worth, Lester Wiltfong of Windy City Gridiron does a film breakdown of every sack and assigns blame for who was responsible, and he blamed Trubisky for 4 sacks this year (all of which came in his first 8 games). Bears quarterbacks were blamed for 8 sacks in 2016, 3.5 in 2015, 4 in 2014, and 7 in 2013, so Trubisky’s 4 in 12 games this year is not out of line with the norm.


TL;DR

Here’s the nice short summary for those of you who don’t like wading through a bunch of numbers. As the season went on, Trubisky had the ball in his hands more, and he responded by generally getting more efficient. The one area where he didn’t improve was that he didn’t throw many touchdowns, but this is common for a rookie QB, and everywhere else he was statistically at or above the league average by his final 4 games. Trubisky was also sacked way too much, but that got better as the season went on and was mostly not his fault.


What are your thoughts on Trubisky’s growth throughout his rookie season? Let me know in the comments below.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    It dawned on me the other day, Pace should not have been extended. He’s another Emperor buck naked.

    Let’s look objectively at what he did.

    In the draft he gave up picks when he already had a great spot. So before he’s even picked, he’s given up picks. We needed a QB you cry …did we? MT wasn’t scripted to start this year anyway. We had Mike Glennon and Mark Sanchez to do that.

    Now think about.

    Mike Glennon and Mark Sanchez That’s who Pace gave us at QB. But we didn’t need a QB.

    See where this is going?

    There was a generational player available that I think was obvious to most. Leonard Fournette was an easy pick based on his college tape. Generational talent. Just a question of whether he translated to the pros. Pace said no to that and drafted an unproven kid with 9 starts in college. And he drafted up to do it. That’s the thing.

    Now he’s given us a HC that will install the WCO – which according to Randall Cunningham anyway – takes three years to learn. Not to mention it requires a special relationship between the WR corps and their QB because of the reliance on timing patterns. That’s a bunch of interceptions going on while people come together learning the system. MT might get it, but will the WRs? Defense won’t be getting too many 3 and outs the way they play. That’s some long seasons ahead.

    Glass half full and all that, but I finally know that don’t trust this guy.

    • DaBearsBlog

      So you didn’t want the QB of the future. You wanted a running back at number 3 who averages more than 1/2 yard less per carry than the guy the Bears found in the fourth round.

      Glad you ain’t the GM.

      • BearDown100393

        Yet to be proven the Bears have a “QB of the future”.

        • Bear Instincts

          Yet to be proven the Bears don’t have a “QB of the future”. Wait after the prerequisite 3 yrs necessary to learn the WCO before passing judgment.

          • BearDown100393

            Why not give Mitch the same decade as Jay?

          • Bear Instincts

            No one is saying give him a decade. Just be reasonable with your expectations. The philosopher Epictetus once said that “People are not disturbed by things, but by the views they take of them.” Your views on MT10 make it difficult/impossible to judge him fairly.

          • BearDown100393

            Go ahead and find a quote from me attacking Mitch Trubisky.

          • Bear Instincts

            Its not about attacking him. It’s having unrealistic expectations when it comes to MT10 and the Bears

          • BearDown100393

            What unrealisticc expectation have I expressed about Mitch?

          • SC Dave

            Nice quote.

          • Epictetus, the philosophy of the stiff upper lip.

            Quite.

        • Yes, but they have a guy who’s theirs for at least the next 3 years. I’d much rather that than a RB, when they already have 2 good RBs.

          I’d much rather have Trubisky, Howard, and Cohen than Glennon, Fournette, and Howard going forward.

          • BearDown100393

            Giraffe was a terrible horrible signing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good is not great. I like Jordan. I drafted huim. But he is not capable of what leonard is capable of. Nobody needs to get rid of him, he’s your breather for Leonard.

        • Irish Sweetness

          So this. Point being. Fournette’s an easy pick, and he costs you … a pick. Not 3 picks. MT is a gamble that you don’t give 3 picks up for.

      • CanadaBear

        Jeff if you’re talking about Howard, he was a 5th rounder. Even more to your point!

        • BearDown100393

          Jordan Howard’s talent was not even recognized by Hobo’s staff until injuries and ineffectiveness forced his way onto the field.

          • Scharfinator

            Agree, but Fox decided who is on the field, Pace decides the roster. At least, normally that’s how it works.

          • BearDown100393

            Normally a GM hires a HC but that also may not be the case here. Either way, Nagy is the HC and it seems implausible not to be an upgrade over Hobo and Trestman.

          • Bear Instincts

            If you are able to see that Hobo and company were unable to recognize the talent of J.Howard until it was forced on them why would you expect them to know what to do with MT10?

          • BearDown100393

            Sort of like Pace not recognizing Giraffe was a terrible QB or retaining Hobo for 2017.

          • Bear Instincts

            You really are unable to see the world in grays. Its all black and white with you. i feel sorry for you

          • BearDown100393

            I am not locked in a desperate homerism state to placate peers. That I find far more pathetic.

          • SC Dave

            Trolls only see in two colors, BI.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Then why did I draft him? Why did the Bears draft him? They were scared of pissing off Langford, for some reason.

          • BearDown100393

            Langford went from the “guy” to “who cares” rather quickly.

    • catfish44

      he had to be extended . why would a new coach take a job from a GM with only one year on his contract makes no sense. good thing you have nothing to do with the bears. lolol.

      • I’m pretty sure Irish meant, hire a whole new regime.

        New GM. New HC.

        That’s usually how it’s done.

        I’m usually pragmatic about options. OK, fire Pace, which GM is available who is definitely better?

        That’s the problem.

        We have no clue.

        If say the Texan’s GM suddenly became available, then I’d have no hesitation about replacing Pace, but good GMs are harder to find than good QBs.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Well, I don’t have a better name TBH. Just taking my name off the fan club.

        He has not made smart decisions though.

    • Big Mike

      You are very wrong here.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh I hope so, Mike. We’ll see.

    • BearDown100393

      Keep tying common sense.

      You will know when you are really on the right track when some of the dimwits “threaten” blocking you.

      Truth always hurts the meek.

      • willbest

        You get blocked because you are a bipolar schizophrenic, and you keep repeating the same tired lines depending on which state you are in.

        Irish also keeps proposing the same ideas, but then his football brain was frozen in 1985 and he is a good sport about it.

        • Bear Instincts

          I support this statement

          • BearDown100393

            Don’t care.

        • BearDown100393

          It is better than setting mediocrity as a high bar.

          • Bear Instincts

            you are expecting a beat up car to out perform a 2018 dodge charger. you are insane.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          He gets blocked because he’s an asshole. I disagree with Irish from time to time, but he’s able to talk football without being an asshole and provides occasional humor. In fact, Irish is one of my favorites here, and our assessment of the Bears rarely lines up. I’d wager Irish has never been blocked. BD’s just here to be a disagreeable asshole. So not many listen. Well, except Data’s new friends. They listen.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This is true.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      Irish, your plan was to suck even worse?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Well, it was Pace’s plan to suck worse:

        1. They didn’t want to start MT anyway.

        2. He signed Glennon and Sanchize/ He did.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Except they were better than the season before. Even with their best receiver on IR for the season and their rookie QB playing 12 games.

          Doesn’t hold water.

    • leftcoastdave

      Pace drafted three perfect weapons for a RPO/WCO/spread offense in Trubisky, Cohen and Shaheen.
      Leonard Fournette is a great person and a great player who deserves the success he had this season, but was not a pressing need worth spending the pick on.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But with Glennon and Sanchez (IKR!) .. there was equally no pressing need for a QB (except there was with those two).

        To date, Pace’s biggest move was paying Glennon. No pass for that.

    • BerwynBomber

      You wanted Cutler too. So yeah, Fournette would be nice, but we would be headed into the ’18 offseason w/ Cutler as our penciled-in starter.

      Glennon was a mistake but he was only a four game mistake in terms of team play, and not much more than a one year mistake financially.

      I don’t know what your beef with Sanchez as a #3 was. By all accounts he aced what he was brought here to do: mentor, listen and consult.

      • To be fair, originally Irish wanted to keep McCown and trade Cutler, which we all thought crazy at the time (joke was on us).

        But for some reason, Irish began believing in some Cutler redemption narrative, like he was gonna become the next Warner with Gase.

        Obviously, that didn’t pan out, in Chicago or MIA.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Not having a go at Sanchez, but Glennon+ Sanchez is not a sexy pair.

    • Bender McLugh

      without even looking I just KNEW BD was the 1 “like” for this…..smfh

      • BearDown100393

        I take great pride in not being part of this polluted homer think tank.

        • Bender McLugh

          dilly dilly

    • My overall assessment of Pace is that he’s avg.

      Enough evidence to build a case against him (Glennon, White, Cooper, Grasu, Wheaton, hiring/not firing Fox sooner, inability or unwillingness to sign elite FAs, etc)

      But there’s enough to build a case for (Hicks, Floyd, Whitehair, Jackson, Howard, MochaNinja ,Goldman…finally cleaning house…)

      But let’s be honest. His tenure will hinge on Nagy/Trub.

      That’s it. And we don’t know about either yet; This is like grading the 1st rough draft of an essay. ,so if we’re handing out grades, thus far it’s

      Incomplete.

      You’re right about the WCO though.

      That playbook is literally thicker than the bible.

      That was my worry about Gruden. Sometimes HCs fall in love with their own system and try to jam it down the throat of their QB without flexibility or adapting to strengths (see, Martz)

      But again, we don’t know if Nagy is as obstinate and stubborn. He hired an OC straight from college who is RPO happy, so that leads one to believe this won’t be a purely WCO.

      If RPO is mixed into it (like I was calling for since last April) to bring Trub along, then the learning curb and losses should be minimized.

      He’s not gonna be Alex Smith this yr. Maybe not even next yr.

      But if he can be Goff/Mariotta, could be enough to scratch out wins and WC contend.

      Or at least reach .500 and give us hope in Dec.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Cunningham’s comment really hit home. Three years!

        • It will. And that was the drawback to ANY WCO.

          But Trub is not alone. How many college QBs even play in a WCO?

          I would bet less than 10%, and those are likely from like Appalachia St or something.

          Trub’s success will hinge on 2 factors:

          1. How flexible and creative is the HC/OC?

          If Nagy is another Martz and just stubbornly throws Trub to the wolves, well, hello top 5 pick 2019.

          2. How smart is Trub?

          TBH, he looks kinda like the stereotypical dumb jock. Then again, Marino is not a Rhode’s Scholar, so only time will tell.

  • catfish44
    • BearDown100393

      Oh wow this has not been mentioned here until now.

      • catfish44

        too bad.

  • BearDown100393

    Each successive game meant less to the Bears once eliminated from the playoffs. That factors into the computations.

  • Scharfinator

    I sure hope you’re right about him bucking the trend – even though the data does not support it.

    • SC Dave

      We will, it seems, have to wait and see.

      I’m not all-in on Trubisky. But in fairness, in theory he will be better with decent receivers. Assuming we can secure any.

      • Scharfinator

        And slightly less predictable formations.

      • Bear Instincts

        It is highly unlikely that we exit FA without getting at least 1 quality WR and also drafting one. Not doing this would be pissing all over the work he has done so far. It makes no sense to believe that the collection of WR’s we have now what we will take into the 2018 season.

        Securing a FA WR is about money and the potential of winning. We have the money. Winning is iffy. But if you can sell MT10, Nagy and the potential for growth we might get a big fish or two.

        • SC Dave

          Given the choices made at WR so far, “highly unlikely” is optimistic.

          • Bear Instincts

            Hard to argue with history. However I have to believe that Pace did not spend on WR’s because the team was not good there for it made not sense to spend money on a sinking ship. Now that the ship is salvageable it makes sense to spend money on quality parts.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Do we know that the receivers in place already wouldn’t be suitable for WCO?

          Cam hasn’t played it has he? Kendall played it in TEN? Don’t fancy Wheaton’s chances much.

      • leftcoastdave

        How can you possibly judge a guy who comes in off the bench with so little preparation for what was to be in front of him (NFL Ds) and so little time spent with the receivers he was to throw to? That matrix led to the obvious of an O with training wheels and an O line being beat up as the season wore on.
        This is the patently obvious reality of this season from which it must be viewed.

        • Bear Instincts

          Everyone’s expectations for MT10 was/is different. Not everyone sees him through the same lens.

          • leftcoastdave

            Whatever lens you use, you must take into account the reality he faced coming off the bench in his rookie season without first team reps or veteran receivers or consistent line play.
            Those are the patently obvious reality, not excuses.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But he looked amazingly accurate early on, so that’s there on some level. He just needs to settle.

        • Scharfinator

          So both Dave and I say we hope that he bucks the trend and we’re not yet sold on the kid.

          You take this as we’ve judged him as insufficient? It seems like no matter what, if the support for MT isn’t rabid, a fan hates him.

          What the fuck?

          • Bear Instincts

            Most supporters of MT10 like myself are just asking that he be looked at objectively: rookie, bad coach, no off season, learning on the go, bad WR’s. It is it really fair to come down hard on a QB with those limitations?

          • Scharfinator

            I agree with you, I just don’t see how we came down hard on this guy. He had an alright rookie season in a non-perfect situation. Great. Now that he is getting placed into a better situation, I hope he lights it up. I really hope he does.

            But I need to see him do it. I will not believe he is elite until he shows it, ESPECIALLY where the data analysis does not support it.

            I hope MT proves the data wrong and is an outlier, but by definition, an outlier is uncommon. Why would HE be the one to buck the trend, other than we are homers hoping for it? 🙂

          • BearDown100393

            Nobody here has really been critical of Mitch Trubisky (yet). And yes, this board is a bunch of homers out-screaming anyone wanting tangible evidence that the quarterback position is set with #10.

          • Bear Instincts

            Wrong. We are not looking for evidence that the position is set with MT10. We are just saying with all the disadvantages its unfair to criticize him say he is not a franchise QB. P.manning/Rodgers/Brady could not chicken salad out of our chicken shit WRs and bad coaching. Why would you expect a rookie to do any better?

          • BearDown100393

            You just proved my point.

          • Sactowns#1

            Uh… you must not be familiar with my work?

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta keep in mind that LCD is the most optimistic Bears fan posting here. He balances off some of the, shall we say, less optimistic posters here.

          • Scharfinator

            LOL Fair point, we certainly need both sides!

          • leftcoastdave

            I am not. I am a realist and have been a die hard cub fan since the 60’s.

            That says it all, doesn’t it?

          • CanadaBear

            Same here with the Cubs. All I can say is that you are “really” optimistic.

          • leftcoastdave

            That was intended to be tongue in cheek given the reference to all long suffering die hard cub fans. But hey, a true fan likes to see it half full rather than half empty and sure, I’ll go out there as “really” optimistic, especially when people bash without taking into account the situation.

          • You interpret the facts to paint the Bears present, and future, as positively as possible.

            If I remember correctly, you predicted the floor for the 17 Bears would be like 10 wins and WC while guys like Canada predicted more like 5 wins.

            So if you are a “realist” – you are wrong one.

            You’re optimistic. Nothing wrong with that. Like Canada said, it provides a nice counterpoint to Button shoes et al.

            (also, I’m not as bothered by pessimistic interpretation of the facts either. And ironically, they too would consider themselves “realist”)

        • SC Dave

          I am not judging. The “franchise QB” proponents are making the judgement .

    • Bucking what trend? I make no conclusions here about Trubisky’s career outcome (an attempt at that is coming in a follow-up article).

      I’m just breaking down his performance here to try and see how it changed through his rookie year, and in what statistical areas he improved/regressed/stayed the same.

      • Scharfinator

        “Now for a brief comment on passer rating. Before the 2017 season, I found that, historically speaking, rookie QBs drafted in the first round are likely to be good if their passer rating is within 10 points of the median qualified passer. Trubisky’s overall passer rating was 77.5, 11.7 points lower than the median and thus just out of that range. This is basically due to the low completion percentage in those first 4 games, but alas, only 3 out of 11 quarterbacks who were outside of that 10 point range panned out. The Bears have to hope Trubisky bucks the odds a bit there. For what it’s worth, I think he will, and I think the improvements he made in the final 8 games help support that belief. Maybe later this offseason I’ll do a study looking at improvement through the rookie season for QBs from that sample.”

        • Scharfinator

          I suppose I should have been more clear in what trend I was referencing. Not HIS, but the trend of rookie QB’s not being good outside of the 10 point range.

        • oh yeah, forgot that little tidbit was in there. Good call.

          Basically, he fit that bill for the last 8 games, but not the first 4. Given that he was thrust into action without any practice reps with the 1s and against some of the best teams in the league, I find that understandable.

          Still, there’s no data to support their performance just in the last 8 games being more important. That study was done without context for everybody else, so it should be applied without context to Trubisky as well.

          I do have another article coming up that compares him more closely to recent 1st round rookie QBs who played most of the season.

          • Scharfinator

            Looking forward to it – I really dig your articles.

          • Spoiler alert: Trubisky’s rookie performance suggests he’s not going to be a hard-core bust, but doesn’t really say much about if he’ll be more of a Bridgewater/Tannehill solid guy or a Cam-like top QB. You can’t really tell that from rookie performance (at least as far as I can find).

          • BearDown100393

            Let’s revisit your computations from rookie season with the sophomore outing. With a new HC, staff, wide receivers (presuming) and experience, MT should be expected to show improvement. Alarm bells should be ringing if not.

          • Absolutely. If his passer rating stays in the mid-70s in 2018 that will be serious cause for concern.

          • BearDown100393

            Unless Pace fails to deliver improved receivers, seems unlikely. However that is up to Mitch to prove it on the field if the weaponry has been reloaded.

          • I think one area that will be most vital for Trubisky is accuracy. Not just giving his guys a chance to catch the ball, but putting it in an easy spot for them to catch it in stride and get upfield. YAC is going to be critical in this offense.

            Trubisky has shown the ability to do that in flashes, but inconsistent footwork/mechanics hurt that last year. He needs to get that sorted this offseason.

          • BearDown100393

            Did his pocket completion rating improve?

          • I don’t know where to get in pocket/out of pocket splits.

            I would guess likely yes, because his overall rating improved, and he didn’t do a ton of passing out of pocket that I recall. But I can’t say for sure.

          • BearDown100393

            It would be an interesting stat because college generally does not prep much for pocket work. And it is vital in the NFL. It seemed to be better but that is hardly data proof.

          • SC Dave

            Absolutely. Most receivers, and Jordan Howard especially, have an easier time catching the football when not having to face the torso in the opposite direction of his motion.

          • Bear Instincts

            Will learning a new offense and syncing up with new WR’s be taken into consideration?

          • he had to do all that this year too, and should be working in a more QB-friendly offense with better WRs next year, so I think expecting statistical improvement is very reasonable.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Numbers can’t predict the future. Aikman.

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps this… “The Bears have to hope Trubisky bucks the odds a bit there.” from your part about overall passer rating.

  • Donny34

    When is Trubisky going to learn how to throw it left?

    • BearDown100393

      When is Erin going to break up with Matthews?

      • Donny34

        calling somebody gay. excellent retort.

        • BearDown100393

          Simply asked a question. After all, Rodgers & Matthews capitalize on their unique relationship in the form of paid advertising.

          • Donny34

            unique relationship…. being teammates?

          • Scharfinator

            Being one another’s beards.

  • Donny34

    His last three games consisted of ratings of 66.8, 87.8, and 69. #progression

  • Donny34

    7 TDs, 7 Ints. Quality football.

  • Donny34

    wonder what the bears would have gotten with the draft picks that they unneccessarrily traded away to move up to get Trubisky?

  • CanadaBear

    MT’s first four games were Queens, Ravens, Panthers, Saints. Lots of good D’s there for a rookie to get his ass kicked. I don’t know any more about QB than anyone else on here but MT didn’t sound any alarm bells for me this year. At first he held onto the ball way too long and had a tendency to move laterally in the pocket which did not go well. By the second half of the season he was doing way more stepping up in the pocket and getting the throws off. My biggest issue is his happy feet leading to inaccuracy. I thought that got better late in the season.

    All of this is speculation/hope but with a HC that hasn’t been frozen in time and a WCO with RPO’s, I see this playing into MT’s best attributes. How ’bout that for some optimism!

    • Donny34

      Donny34 • 5 minutes ago
      His last three games consisted of ratings of 66.8, 87.8, and 69. #progression

      • BearDown100393

        Rodgers last 3 games: 122.9, 62.5, 71.5. #regression #old #retire

        • Donny34

          clearly didn’t have the arm strength in that last game, mr. strawman.

          • Donny34

            and you’re avoiding the argument.

          • BearDown100393

            No he didn’t because his O-line is terrible and offers no protection. He was thrown back on the field in a last ditch effort and failed. GB squandered a HOF QB.

          • Donny34

            Bak was 2nd team all pro. Lane Taylor is a top 10 LG, as is Linsley a top 10 C. Evans was very good. Bulaga got hurt but Spriggs was coming on as he gained experience.

            Ergo, your post is dumb and stupid.

            Squandered? SB and how many NFCCGs?

          • Donny34

            Remember when we beat you in the NFCCG and then went on to win the Super Bowl? Had to sting that much more knowing the Packers did that to you.

          • BearDown100393

            Always stings.

            That is what makes the Favre Night beat down memorable.

          • BearDown100393

            Yes squandered.

            1 ring.

  • BerwynBomber

    Bisky did fine. Looks like a solid draft pick, and as much criticism as Fox and Loggains received they brought him along fine … well except the lack of RPO in the O, which was an under-utilized strength of the kid.

    One of my biggest questions is ceiling. It might not be as high as the preseason and a few isolated plays led some to believe. But … still too early to tell. And hey, if his ceiling is ultimately top ten or top half of the league as opposed to top 5 elite, we will take it. Especially after our QB wasteland past.

    A physical quality of Bisky’s that often goes unmentioned is his ability to make himself small when absorbing contact when running. He’s like Wilson in that regard, and it might go back to his RB days as a kid. And he is built solidly. Take those two things together and he has the makings of a very durable QB.

    Fans should be optimistic about him. Now let’s get him some better WRs and see if he can take a big step forward his second year.

    • My thought at this point is that his floor (injury aside) is basically Alex Smith, with a ceiling of Aaron Rodgers.

      Most likely he ends up somewhere in the middle, but he has shown flashes of making killer throws outside the pocket like Rodgers does. That’s a best-case (and unlikely) scenario, IMO.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, hard to know. Guys like Rodgers, Wilson and Wentz are such freaks of athletic instinct and intelligence. Don’t know if I have detected those yet in Bisky.

        But yeah, the physical tools are there. No doubt.

    • BearDown100393

      The guy did fine considering the coaching staff was outgoing and his GM failed to deliver any serious weaponry to work with. He has a great attitude, took things in stride, had no melt downs, kept his mouth shut and worked hard. Good enough.

      Nagy and this staff should be able develop him further. Pace should do his job and get a few bodies out on the field who can complete passes. This ballyhooed Pace drafted core should perform overall better.

      This was a division basement team (again) missing the playoffs (obviously) with a sorry 5-11. Clearly there were far more pressing issues than MT.

    • Krush12684

      Just glad they didn’t seem to overwhelm him. Hopefully he doesn’t take the record to heart, and realizes he did what was expected. But time to continue the progress.

      • BearDown100393

        A high school qb would have been bored and insulted by Hobo’s playbook.

        • Krush12684

          Meh, ruining a new QB’s confidence seems to fuck most of them. I see it as one hurdle we got over.

          • Krush12684

            We sure weren’t goin 12-4 otherwise…

  • Cuck E. Cheese

    Trubisky is garbage.

  • Donny34

    Trubisky had 7 ints, 7tds, can only throw it right, and his floor is Alex Smith.

    When homering goes too far.

  • Cuck E. Cheese

    “My thought at this point is that his floor (injury aside) is basically Alex Smith, with a ceiling of Aaron Rodgers.”

    lol

    • Bear Instincts

      What evidence can you provided to contradict this statement?

      • Donny34

        he is nowhere near as good as Alex Smith so would that not make his floor lower?

        • Bear Instincts

          After 1 year of NFL experience what proof do you have that says his floor is not A.Smith?

          • Donny34

            because you can’t assume he’s going to progress, even from the shitty qb he currently is.

          • Bear Instincts

            and you cant assumes that he is going to regress either.

          • Donny34

            to be honest, can’t really get much worse.

          • Bear Instincts

            you lack proof

          • Donny34

            you lack a brain, apparently.

          • BearDown100393

            You guys are tied.

          • Bear Instincts

            don’t insult. improve your argument

          • Donny34

            my argument uses logic that you can’t seem to grasp.

          • SC Dave

            I hope you realize how weird it looks to see you arguing so often with This user is blocked.

          • Donny34

            example: marcus mariota has not progressed at all.

      • BearDown100393

        What evidence can you provide to support it?

        Do not fight stupid with stupid.

        • Bear Instincts

          Thank you

      • Cuck E. Cheese

        His first season in the NFL and, more generally, his skill set.

  • Donny34

    Trubisky is a combination of Joe Montana and Jesus.
    -something Wood would probably say

    • BearDown100393

      No Mitch is much better than either of those two bums.

  • Donny34

    Data

  • Cuck E. Cheese

    26th in ANY/A. That’s not good. Worse than Jacoby Brissett.

  • Bender McLugh

    oh yay more trolls. I like filling my BLOCKED USER list

    • Cuck E. Cheese

      snowflake

      • Bender McLugh

        cuck

        • Cuck E. Cheese

          that’s my username, yes.

    • Just ignore them and they’ll get bored and go away. No point in interacting.

      • Donny34

        DATA, I HAVE A QUESTION

      • Bender McLugh

        oh yes, I do.

    • Donny34

      most action you guys have gotten since your uncle touched you in 5th grade.

  • Cuck E. Cheese

    Talk to me when Trubisky completes 60% of his passes.

    • Donny34

      floor of Alex Smith though.

      • Cuck E. Cheese

        Alex Smith can actually push the ball downfield. Trubisky has not demonstrated an ability to do so.

        • Donny34

          which is the whole point, the floor can’t be above where you currently reside.

          • Krush12684

            LOL….there is an element of expectation.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Alex Smith had an OL, some good receivers and Kareem Hunt.

          He also used to be a piss-poor QB.

  • Donny34

    so if alex smith is the floor, is trubisky in hell?

  • Cuck E. Cheese

    Trubisky is T-29th in sack percentage, which is strange given that Chicago’s offensive line isn’t bad.

  • Donny34

    DATA

  • Cuck E. Cheese

    Trubisky has a floor of Teddy Bridgewater and a ceiling of Case Keenum.

    • Donny34

      Floor of Brett Hundley IMO.

  • Donny34

    Can somebody pls tell me the origin of the nickname ‘data’?

  • CanadaBear

    Good times here at DBB. I posted about MT and the next 17 posts in response are this user is blocked. Beautiful.

    • I think they’re gone. It seems Jeff must have showed up and blocked them

      • BearDown100393

        I find it odd that your type of interests and writing actually attracted that following.

        • It’s not really like that. They didn’t come to a site because of my writing. I was a commenter on a site alongside all of them when I got into writing stuff there.

    • Cuck E. Cheese

      can’t handle opposing viewpoints?

    • BerwynBomber

      I refuse to block anyone out of stubbornness/principle. But … I envy the imagined look of your “user is blocked” screen.

      • CanadaBear

        Good on ya. Trolls are pointless and a couple aren’t necessarily trolls but relentless in posting the same stuff all the time. Different strokes!

        • BerwynBomber

          TBC was a good “troll”. In fact, there were times he made me laugh and upvote him.

          But yeah, the same snark posted over and over and over has no redeeming value.

          • Sactowns#1

            How dare you talk about my posts regarding Gomer that way!

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Yeah but you bring booze. That mends a lot of fences.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve never blocked Cheesy. I rarely interact with him but he usually has a point other than the bears suck posts.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ya can’t block Cheesy!

          • He was the only guy who liked Cutler more than Jeff and Waffle.

      • SC Dave

        Block them, it’s great!

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    • Sactowns#1

      The mind of a troll is fascinating to me. What exactly is the payoff?

    • SC Dave

      It does look funny to see an entire page of “This user is blocked”, with only some comments by Bear Instincts visible. I’m thinking BI will get with the program soon.

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

    Pretty tough to really evaluate Trubisky objectively at this point for better or for worse.

    Take the receiving corp being what it was to start with, add Miller’s injury, Shaheen’s lack of development and subsequent injury just as he started to show promise, the musical chairs on the offensive line, and the John Fox Offense, and you get a whole bunch of “Who Knows?”

    Arguing one way or the other is nothing more than unqualified opinion at this point.

    Eyeball test says the kid has a chance to be good. That’s about all we got.

    • CanadaBear

      He truly did improve as the season went along. Did he improve enough? Next year will be exciting.

    • SC Dave

      An excellent summary, but I’m waiting to see more before anointing MT as The Guy.

    • BearDown100393

      “a chance”

      Yep.

  • Bear Instincts

    http://sportsmockery.com/2018/01/bears-2018-draft-plans-intensified-trade-explorations/
    “Bears have begun exploring ways to gain multiple picks. That includes
    trading players they don’t view in their plans for the future. Several
    Names drawing interest.”
    Among the most notable being mentioned were Willie Young, Dion Sims, Jonathan Bullard and Nick Kwiatkoski.

    • SC Dave

      Seems at least one opinion around here was this Lambert guy is NEVER right.

      • Bender McLugh

        for a few years yeah, his latest articles have been okay

    • ButtonShoes

      None of those players has any worthwhile trade value. And it isn’t like it will matter much to get more picks. Pace will just find a way to burn them.

      • BearDown100393

        Fewer picks, fewer decisions

    • CaponeBot 1.0

      Jonathan Bullard is in their plans moving forward. So is RRH who is a Godzilla-esque monster.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears are not going to give up anybody with tradeable value because they lack overall depth as it is. The above mentioned are simply not going to net anything significantly better.

      • I think their depth is mostly solid, though it lacks at a few positions.

        It was bad at OT and WR this year, but otherwise pretty ok.

        QB was fine depth (though not really a great 2017 player on the roster), RB was good, TE was good, interior OL was good (though it was stretched awfully thin by injuries to their top 3), DL was solid, ILB was solid, OLB was solid (you can’t plan for 3 of your top 4 getting hurt), CB was ok (Cooper and LeBlanc as top 2 backups), S was good (remember, Amos started as a backup).

        The problem was in the sheer volume of injuries (again). OLB, WR, and interior OL were all decimated, and there was a stretch in the middle of the season where ILB was too.

        But I’d argue the issue was more lacking top-end talent than depth, and even then it was mostly at QB and WR. The rest of the roster was average or better, IMO, but the passing game is so important.

    • Pay zero attention to any reporting coming from Sports Mockery.

      • More specifically, they’re not trading Bullard or Kwiatkoski. At the worst those guys are cheap, solid depth, which is better than the late-round pick they’d draw.

        I’m sure they’d be willing to trade Willie Young and Dion Sims, but nobody is giving anything up for those guys. Sims is overpaid and Young is 33 and coming off a serious injury. Both are likely to get cut.

        • SC Dave

          I thought the whole article was a waste of electrons.

        • leftcoastdave

          Lambert was writing some good stuff last week.

    • We’d be lucky to get a salami sandwich with extra ketchup for all of them – COMBINED.

      Bullard isn’t going anywhere. I think he’s a Fangio guy, and we’re dangerously thin at Dline.

      Let’s hope Pace doesn’t sign anymore Jaye Howards.

      • Krush12684

        One mans salami is anothers pastrami…

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        ketchup on salami??? you monster.

        • leftcoastdave

          A savage, indeed.

  • Krush12684

    Fighting with the Vikings most likely. Their offense gets blown up with the coaching changes. It’ll be the opposite now, us with a better offense and great D, Vikings with worse offense and still their great D.

  • BerwynBomber

    “Trubisky’s overall passer rating was 77.5, 11.7 points lower than the median and thus just out of that range. This is basically due to the low completion percentage in those first 4 games”

    Due to the 7 INT/7 TD ratio as well.

    • yes, but even with the TDs and INTs remaining the same after the bye (5/5), his passer rating after the bye was well within that 10 point margin.

  • I didn’t do any sorting of his stats by down. This was focusing on general performance.

    I have high hopes for a Trubisky leap as well, which is due to a combination of not-terrible performance as a rookie, impressive physical ability that we’ve seen flashes of, and all the intangibles you mention and his coaches/teammates can’t stop raving about. Time will tell just how good (or not) he ends up, but I’m cautiously optimistic.

  • “So that’s the main statistical challenge for Trubisky going forward:
    figure out how to throw more touchdowns without throwing more
    interceptions.”

    That’s pretty much it, but easier said than done.

    This is gonna come from experience. Knowing down/distance. correctly diagnosing coverages and audibling (did he even audible once?). Knowing what routes need the juice, which need touch.

    Better weapons will help also – guys who can actually separate, or jump ball. We don’t have either at WR.

    Finally, improved coaching. Taking advantage of opponent’s weakness. Knowing what Trub does best. Putting him in a favorable position as opposed to 3rd and goal from the 15.

    TD to INT def needs to improve – that translates to wins.

    • I mean, I point that out right there too. “It’s not as simple as to say “throw more touchdowns,” there’s a lot more that goes into it than that, but statistically speaking that’s the area where you would hope to see the most improvement from Trubisky in 2018.”

    • But yes, TD/INT is key. Trubisky’s INT % was actually pretty darn good (12th among qualified passers). It’s just that his TD % was so abysmally low.

      • Data, you write

        “Trubisky’s overall passer rating was 77.5, 11.7 points lower than the median and thus just out of that range. This is basically due to the low completion percentage in those first 4 games, but alas, only 3 out of 11 quarterbacks who were outside of that 10 point range panned out.”

        But I’m wondering how much, say, an extra TD or two would bump his QB rating into the median?

        Because if like two extra TDs bump him into that median, then I’m not that worried about it (esp since his completion % was trending up)

        But if it’s a bit comprehensive, like his comp% needs to improve, needs to take less sacks, more yds, etc as well as TDs, then Trub’s gonna need to go to work.

        • Yeah, that’s why I broke down the passer rating into the 4 components. Basically TD % sucked but the rest were all fine.

          2 more TDs, with nothing else changing, would have put him within that 10 point threshold. Which points out the limits of both the passer rating and that threshold as much as anything else.

          • Sack % doesn’t factor in to passer rating, but as I noted, he was sacked a lot. That’s probably partly because he’s a rookie, but also largely because of their habit for getting in 3rd and long (which is when most of the sacks happened) and him not having anybody to throw to.

          • “2 more TDs, with nothing else changing, would have put him within that 10 point threshold.”

            Ah, that’s what I surmised.

            So I’m not that worried.

            To me, outside of the stats, Trub simply needs to be more clutch on must downs with games on the lines. Not all INTs are created the same (I think he threw two INTs on final drives that could’ve tied or won the game)

            Good article. One of my favs from you so far.

            Informative with a dash of insight and context.

          • Funny you mention that, my next article (next Tuesday) breaks down Trubisky’s 7 INTs. A few interesting trends there involving both the cause of the INTs and the context in which they occurred.

          • Cool. Looking forward to it.
            I think it was a mash of things.

            Like trying to do too much, and not knowing how freaky fast CBs at the NFL level can be.

            Might be a tipped pass and such in there too.

          • Bender McLugh

            So the Zach TD and one more…..

          • Sensible Sports Fan

            Didn’t Cohen have one or two receiving TDs taken away too?

          • BearDown100393

            Yep

          • Howard dropped one.

            But you can go back and find plays that were made that shouldn’t have been too. INTs that were dropped.

            That’s always the danger with stats. They can be useful, but don’t tell the whole story.

          • Scharfinator

            For instance, Jackson’s crazy game against Carolina.

          • Krush12684

            Someone like you should use this. Simple concept that people sometimes don’t realize.
            https://kvaes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/20130531-182549.jpg

        • Krush12684

          I never have memorized the formula…but its just that, a formula. Haven’t done it since Cutler, but its fun to see what a small change does for the stat.

        • Krush12684

          The comprehensive you list, is really just offense in general, reflecting on the one coordinating it.

          comp%/sacks/yards are all on others.
          So and so, 15 yards down the field makes the catch…boom comp%
          After that, DB’s back off, and short yardage gains 1-3 more yards each….bomb yards
          ^those 2 plays…boom not 3rd down…boom no sack

    • BearDown100393

      Trubisky is the least of the concerns of the offense heading into the upcoming season.

      A. Nagy must be more engaged than a checked out Hobo. This must be a given.
      B. The new OC must stand up for his QB unlike Birdcage who did not.
      C. 4th and 1. Show some cojones when confidence in your QB and offense must be shown.
      D. The O-Line must be healthy and everyone playing at his best natural position.
      E. A wide receiver who creates separation and can be trusted deep.
      F. A passing keep that keeps the defense honest.
      G. Jordan Howard showing decent hands when need be.
      H. Cohen running forward, occasional lateral and never in reverse.
      I. Shaheen showing some Baby Gronk status.
      J. Pace replacing BOTH Alshon and Brandon in the next two seasons.
      K. Improving Time of Possession to keep a defense rested and hungry for Vic.
      L. Red Zone Touchdowns instead of Red Zone Field Goals.
      M. No more barthing on FG attempts. Pace this is on YOU to replace Robbie. NOW.
      N. Mega-Punt: Keep that ball pinned deep to give the next offensive series a chance inside instead of outside the 50.

    • SC Dave

      Yeah, it’s kinda like sayin’

      “We’ll win more games if we just score a lot more points and give up fewer”.

  • Bear Instincts

    During his end of the year speech Pace said, “We didn’t get the production we needed from that position, and there’s multiple factors involved with that, injuries being one. We need younger guys to step up and we just need better from that position. We’re going to need to attack a lot of positions this offseason, but it would be accurate to say that that’s one of them. I’m excited because we have the resources to do so in free agency or the draft.”

    MT10 is going to have some new toys to play from the Draft and FA.

    • BearDown100393

      Maybe.

      Whatever toys are purchased must stay healthy and on the field in order to be utilized. And then they must produce.

      • Krush12684

        On another note, water is wet.

        The WR FA market is STACKED! And this year, prospectives have reason to give us a look. We went from Lol Cutler > Lol not even Cutler > could be the real deal!

        Thats part of it too, they have to want to come here.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          which FA WRs out there, are you using to determine that the market is “STACKED”

          • Krush12684

            I know Adams signed an extension, maybe others did too….back to the list I go!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am pretty sure it is better than last years list, but I would have hard time saying it is stacked. definitely better than our current roster of nobodies.

          • Krush12684

            We’ll still have to wow somebody, but it should be easier to pull 1 of them from that list.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And it doesn’t even need to be ‘stacked’ we just need good receivers signed.

            Landry is interesting. I have no real opinions on Eric Decker, but he’s tall.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Google his wife. Then you’ll have an opinion my friend.

          • Krush12684

            http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018WR.php

            Jarvis Landry – Two 100-rec seasons
            Josh FUCKING GORDON
            Allen Robinson
            Sammie Watkins
            Terrell Pryer could be cheap
            Mike Wallace
            Eric Decker

            Gordon/Robinson/maybe Watkins/Wallace can all stretch the defense. That requires a Safety give the deep game attention too.

            Landy/Pryer/Decker could all help too.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          You sure it’s stacked? I don’t remember seeing that many names there meriting #1 money or status.

          Let have that list. I could be wrong.

          • Krush12684

            Perhaps it isn’t, but I love the idea of Gordon/Robinson/Wallace stretching the D…

        • BearDown100393

          It isn’t stacked.

        • ButtonShoes

          It’s not even remotely stacked.

    • That Guy

      It’ll be telling in FA. If Pace thinks the team is close to breaking through, maybe he makes a big splash in FA and signs a top target.

      If he goes for “better than what we have now,” that’s signalling he thinks the team is still a year+ away.

      • Bear Instincts

        I think this is what he has been waiting for. A new set of eyes to evaluate the team and tell him if they are read to break out. I think he thinks the team is ready because of the current collection of talent and MT10. I hope we go big in FA by getting 2 big name WR’s that can help MT10 grow and 1 rookie WR.

    • ButtonShoes

      We’ll see. When it comes to FA, Pace is a disaster and has been for 3 years straight. I don’t see why that would change.

  • Bennum

    You shouldn’t do this with data but I did it anyway:
    – Trubisky had to plays that I found to be particularly unlucky. One, the non-td pass to Zach Miller. The other, the throw to Benny Cunningham where he fumbles it just before the pileon to lose the ball instead of scoring a touchdown.

    All QBs have unlucky plays, but these two stuck out as “he should have had em”. And if you add those back in, pretty sure he gets within that 10pt range on QB rating.

    • yep, 2 TDs with no other stats changed does it. Howard also dropped one that would have been a walk-in TD.

      But I’m sure you can go back and find a few dropped INTs too, or great catches WRs made that shouldn’t have been.

      • Bear Instincts

        basically everything evens out and he is right on schedule

      • bennum

        Absolutely.

      • bennum

        Oh someone beat me to the punch with this. Waste of an excel sheet.

  • And where did Goff, Wentz and Keenum rank last year?

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    got to be pretty stupid and annoying to get banned by Jeff. If you don’t provide any value or are a constant troll most regulars will block you.

    • SC Dave

      Already done.

  • John F

    One would hope that Trubisky would have better stats in the last four games since they were against the Bengals, Lions, Browns and Vikings (who had nothing to play for).

    He is average at best.

    • Krush12684

      His production was average at best, yes.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Getting ANY production with Run-Run-Pass was going to be hard.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Like Krush said, production was average. BUT he was a ROOKIE!!!! I don’t understand why people expect a rookie to be Peyton Manning. Hell Manning wasn’t Manning his first year.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      You factor nothing in regarding the five guys in front of him for his last game?

      Declaring what he is or isn’t at this point borders on ridiculous. There isn’t enough there.

      He has the arm, legs and character to be really good. The question is whether or not he can process the game in front of him fast enough to use the tools. Only more time and more games will show us that.

      • John F

        Twelve games is more than enough to know if someone can play at a high level in the NFL.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          No it isn’t.

      • SC Dave

        Jay Cutler allegedly had those too, Johnny. But his processing was always a little too slow.

        Mitch seems to be getting better, but there is still some way to do there. Really just agreeing with you, I suppose.

    • leftcoastdave

      Have you watched him play?

      • John F

        Yes I have.

        He has poor downfield accuracy, poor footwork, tends to fall left or right when throwing, frequently stands parallel to the line of scrimmage when releasing the ball, tends to lock his front knee when throwing, has below-average pocket awareness, and has difficulty throwing into tight windows. He does well when he has excellent protection and his receivers are at least two yards open.

        Just because he didn’t look like Cade McNown doesn’t mean he is “good”. I never said he was bad, he’s just average under normal circumstances and good when everything is set up well.

        • You think he’ll be better than Tyrod Taylor or Cutler?

          Trub looks wildly inconsistent. Sailing some passes, other times pin-point. Sometimes no pocket presence or choppy footworks, other times sensing the rush, knowing when to bolt, or fundamental throwing motion .

          I don’t know how much of that in innate and will never go away, and how much of it was just Rook rollercoaster (an extremely raw rook with only 13 game starting experience).

          Guess we’re going to find out.

  • ButtonShoes

    You probably will. Give it time.

  • Irish Sweetness

    And? Where was Aikman rated his rookie year with no wins? What’s your point?

  • Irish Sweetness

    They had the best run defense in the NFL at one point last season.

  • Irish Sweetness

    And in 2021???

  • EnderWiggin

    Sorry, privileged information.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Wow. R.I.P. Dolores O’ Riordan.

  • That Guy

    Irish posted an anti-Pace comment to start the thread. Jeff chimed in with the standard “we had to get a QB” response. The thing is, I might agree with either one of you or both in three years. Its just too early to tell.

    I’ll be ticked off if Solomon Thomas, Leonard Fournette and Jamal Adams all turn out to be HOFers and Trubisky is a bust. That would make us the same as the 2007 Raiders that took Jamarcus Russel instead of Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson or Derelle Revis. No Raiders fan looks back at 2007 and says “well at least Al Davis took a QB, gotta take a QB!”

    But I look around the league at teams that found their starter. I look at Jared Goff, Cam Newton, Marcus Marriota, Andrew Luck. These guys are top 10 picks. Those guys weren’t around at #3. If the Bears start winning with Trubisky, I don’t care if Leonard Fournette breaks every record in the book, it was a good pick.

    I’ve seen it written here and elsewhere and its really simple. Trubisky is Pace’s QB. Nagy is Pace’s coach. This roster, and all players its missing because we traded up for Mitch, is Pace’s roster. They’ve got 3-4 years to produce a consistent playoff contender. If they don’t, all three major contracts (GM, coach and QB) will expire at the same time.

    In the three years, Pace is either a genius or a lunatic. And we’ll all agree by then.

  • Rose

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