Data Entry: Reflections on the 2018 NFL Draft Haul

| May 1st, 2018

Before the draft, I looked in-depth at Ryan Pace’s draft trends from 2015-17 and used them to make predictions for what would happen in 2018. Well, it turns out Pace’s approach changed a good bit this year. Let’s look at those identified trends to see which ones were and were not followed.

Day One

  • Go get your guy. The Bears reportedly tried to trade up from pick #8 to get somebody Ryan Pace really wanted. He continues to be very aggressive targeting his chosen players at the top of the draft.
  • Replace a veteran. Every round one pick has been made to replace a high-profile veteran who recently left. That continued this year with Roquan Smith replacing Jerrell Freeman.
  • Prototype prospects. Pace loves his athletes at the top of the draft, but that changed a bit this year. Roquan Smith is still extremely athletic, but he was not the physical prototype Tremaine Edmunds was. Pace went for the better player right now instead of the player with the highest ceiling, a definite shift in approach.

Day Two

  • Trade down. This definitely didn’t happen in 2018, which surprised me. The Bears stayed put at pick 39, and then traded up to got another 2nd round pick.
  • Think big. The James Daniels pick was a classic Pace move on day 2, but Anthony Miller definitely was not. It marked the first time Pace spent a day 2 pick on a smaller player instead of somebody who plays in the trenches. This trend was not followed either.
  • Athletic gamble. Pace continued to place a premium on athleticism on day 2, as both Daniels and Miller scored in the top 10% of athletes among their positional peers.

Day Three

  • Prioritize rounds 4-5. Pace traded away a 4th round pick and ended up with one selection in each round on day 3. His selections didn’t really seem to change their approach much in any round (more on that later).
  • Get your little guys. This trend definitely didn’t continue either. The only little guy drafted on day 3 was WR Javon Wims in round 7. The first three picks were all front 7 defenders, not skill position players.
  • Try, try again. Pace hasn’t been afraid to throw day 3 picks at positions that don’t necessarily need them right away, and that trend did continue in 2018. Two of the 4 picks on day three were on positions already addressed in days 1-2 (ILB Joel Iyiegbuniwe and WR Javon Wims), and only the selection of edge Kylie Fitts in round 6 could be viewed as addressing a dire need.
  • Embrace the small school. This day three trend definitely continued in 2018, as half of the picks (LB Joel Iyiegbuniwe and DL Bilal Nichols) were from small schools. That roughly matches the small school rate from 2015-17.

New Approach?

So what was Pace’s new approach instead? Here’s how I read the moves the Bears made in 2018.

  • Plugging holes. For the first time, every pick made on days 1-2 was designed to plug a specific hole on this current roster (instead of taking the player you think will be best in the long run). The Bears needed the QB of the defense, so they grabbed Roquan Smith. They needed a plug and play starter on the interior offensive line, so they grabbed James Daniels. They needed a day 1 contributor in the slot at WR (remember, Taylor Gabriel is adamant about not being a slot), so they grabbed Anthony Miller (who can play inside or out, but was very productive in the slot in college). This approach tells me that Ryan Pace thinks the Bears are ready to compete now, which is why he’s drafting for 2018 instead of just the future. In hindsight, I probably should have seen this coming, because his free agency moves signaled the same thing.
  • Improving team athleticism. Pace has always focused on athleticism on days 1-2, but that hadn’t translated to day 3 until this year. Every pick through 6 rounds ranked in the top 25% of athletes in the draft by their Relative Athletic Score.
  • Drafting for succession. In the past, Pace needed guys who could play from day 1 in rounds 4-5, so he didn’t worry too much about athleticism. Now, he’s looking for depth and future contributors, and he wants athletes. I thought Jeff made a great point on Twitter Saturday when he noted the defenders drafted in rounds 4-6 were made with the intent of replacing guys ahead of them after a few years. The defense is mostly in place, so now the focus was on getting the next wave of guys when you can’t afford to pay everybody, and why not have them be great athletes who can contribute on special teams in the meantime?

Random Thoughts


  • Back in February, I published a piece where I identified three physical thresholds for WRs and noted that every WR in Kansas City while Matt Nagy was there hit at least two of them. Anthony Miller hit all three of those thresholds, meaning that every major WR acquisition this offseason followed that same pattern of hitting at least 2 of 3. Though I still think letting Cam Meredith walk was a mistake, I love that Ryan Pace realized he needed more at WR and moved to get Anthony Miller. I love that he approached the position intelligently this offseason and got good players who are also good fits for this specific offense. And I love that we now have a pretty simple screening system to help identify guys in future drafts who might be Bears targets.
  • Sticking with WR/pass catchers, the Bears now have a very versatile group. They have guys who win with size (Allen Robinson and Adam Shaheen), guys who win with speed (Taylor Gabriel and Trey Burton), and guys who win with quickness (Anthony Miller and Tarik Cohen). Add in Jordan Howard, and those are the top 7 skill position players. The Bears will mix and match such that 5 of them are on the field for most snaps, and will be able to throw a lot of different looks at defenses to test them in a variety of ways. All of those guys are also under contract for at least 2 years, and so is QB Mitchell Trubisky and the entire offensive line save RT Bobby Massie.
  • In 12 months since drafting Mitchell Trubisky, Ryan Pace has drafted Tarik Cohen, Adam Shaheen, Anthony Miller, and James Daniels, signed Allen Robinson, Taylor Gabriel, and Trey Burton, and put together a coaching staff featuring Matt Nagy, Mark Helfrich, and Harry Hiestand. I have no idea if this is all going to work, but credit Pace for understanding how to support a young QB and help him develop. On paper, Trubisky has a good coaching staff to learn from, a good offensive line blocking for him, a good running game to lean on, and good pass targets to throw to, and that should be true for at least the next two years. There are no excuses.


  • I still wish the Bears would have addressed edge rusher before the 6th round, and I still think that’s the weakest position group on the roster, but I’m not overly worried about it torpedoing their season like WR did last year. The Bears played the last 6 games in 2017 with an OLB group consisting of Sam Acho, Lamarr Houston, a gimpy Pernell McPhee, and Howard Jones, and the defense played at an adequate level. Even if some guys get hurt again, Vic Fangio is a good enough coordinator to keep the defense from completely imploding. I think they need a better group of edge rushers to be a top defense, but they can be a good one with what they have, and an adequate one even if injuries strike again.
  • Realistically, not every one of their day three picks is going to pan out. In fact, they’ll be doing well if one of those three defenders turns into a solid starter. Pace hit on about half of his round 4 and 5 picks through 2017, so hopefully that continues in 2018.
  • I have no clue if any undrafted free agent is going to pan out, but I really like that the Bears are going with a quantity approach at CB. If Deiondre’ Hall continues to be a safety, Pace has yet to spend a single draft pick at CB, and the only UDFA who have stuck around have been slot guys. This year they added three CBs as UDFAs, two of whom who are definitely boundary players and have the potential to develop in Kevin Tolliver from LSU and Michael Joseph from Dubuque. Both have the length and playing style that Vic Fangio typically likes in a boundary CB. The odds of either being a meaningful contributor in 2018 are very low, but hopefully at least one can stick around on the practice squad and have a chance to contribute in 2019.
  • Other spots with shaky depth also saw several UDFA players added in the hopes that one might pan out, including three defensive ends and two outside linebackers.

Special Teams

  • While we’re talking UDFA, I also like that they signed P Ryan Winslow. Again, I have no clue if he’s any good, but it’s some competition for Pat O’Donnell, which I think is wise.

Depth Chart

Here’s my best approximation at a depth chart right now. By my count, there are 89 players on the roster, so there’s room for one more (though more moves could be made if players are cut. For instance, I don’t think they’ll actually take 6 RBs to training camp, so Taquan Mizzell could be on the chopping block). I’d personally like to see a veteran safety added, and a few UDFA offensive tackles as well.

Don’t pay too much to projected strings farther down. I just plugged in day 1-2 picks as starters, day 3 picks as backups, and UDFA at the end of the roster. Training camp will sort all that out.


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  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Pace seems to have a learning curve and I’m hoping it’s starting to look logarithmic after getting his quarterback and now coach.

  • That Guy

    There are no excuses.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      …but there are explanations. Can’t be right all of the time.

  • willbest

    Um.. The first 2 days of picks of 2015 was all about plugging holes. I know K.white didn’t feel like it because we had just gotten rid of Bmarsh, but when he was drafted Marquees Wilson was our WR2.

    I would also take issues with saying Shaheen wasn’t plugging holes, but since I am in the minority when it comes to believing that Sims contract is inexplicable, I won’t argue too much. We still had an injury prone miller as our TE1, and a solid TE2 didn’t seem like a necessity when playing foxball

    • SC Dave

      I’m not a fan of Sims either. Not sure what it is about him that they like – perhaps he’s good in ways that don’t show up on the field.

      As a fan, I don’t place much value on that, but as a teammate or coach I might.

      • I guess they brought him back because they can afford it and it’s Shaheen insurance. Otherwise they have nothing behind Shaheen at in-line TE besides Brauneker.

        Burton is too small to play in-line, IMO.

    • Most of those were picks made with the future in mind more than the immediate present. The day 1-2 picks this year were all intended to play from day 1. I get what you’re saying, though.

      If Pace kept to his pre-2018 draft approach the first 2 days, he would have taken Edmunds over Smith and not taken Miller in round 2.

      • willbest

        “If Pace kept to his pre-2018 draft approach the first 2 days, he would
        have taken Edmunds over Smith and not taken Miller in round 2.”

        Why is this “common knowledge”?

        • Based on the trends from his first 3 drafts I identified prior to the draft.

          Edmunds is the more textbook physical freak. That’s been Pace’s MO the last few years. Higher upside valued over instant impact.

          On day 2, he had frequently traded back instead of up, and focused on taking big players, not little guys.

          • willbest

            Miller is an outlier. But how much of that is a function of Pace altering his draft strategy because “it’s time” vs. we have a new HC with a new offensive strategy? His 2015 and 2016 drafts were absolutely in line with making Fox’s designs work. His 2017 draft strategy seemed more about securing his QB and finding playmakers. The vision for the team gets solidified when he found his HC.

            And sure Edmunds looks like the better raw athlete, but they both have high ceilings, and its possible the more indepth analysis that the teams are privy to revealed certain intangibles Smith has.

            It is however true that ILB was a greater need than pass rusher heading into the draft. But the two players are close enough that I don’t feel one can say that it was determinative in Pace’s decision. At least not from the outside looking in.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Agree with you on Shaheen. Miller was also coming off a lisfranc fracture. This is an injury that usually takes a long time to heal. I personally did not expect Miller to even be back.

    • evantonio

      Who doesn’t agree with you that Sims contract is awful?

      • willbest

        Well now. But I meant at the time it was given last year. I felt it was way too much money to give a guy averaging 18 catches a season. It felt like he was being paid to be more than he was. At least with Burton, who I also am dubious about, there is evidence to suggest he is money in the RZ. Although how much of that is him or Wentz.

        • We’re gonna find out how much of that was Wentz/Doug

          Wentz was way more accurate, and sucked in LBs with his running, which left TEs one-on-one.

  • CanadaBear

    Just in case you guys didn’t see this. Never surfed in my life but this had to include some big brass balls.

    • SC Dave

      Brass balls and rocky skull.

    • I saw that. Very cool. Where’s Johnny Utah!?

    • Sactowns#1

      Just as impressive is the guy willing to tow him into that monster.

      • CanadaBear

        I almost agree. That jet ski had a head start and was booking!

  • Bob Doll

    I think the Bears are poised to make a step-change this year…the assumption being that they stay fairly healthy… Every year there are changes that give us Bear fans optimism but what is very different this year from others is that we have a young, talented QB with lots of weapons and an offensive-minded head coach with an accumulation of assistants that may be one of the better groups…on paper…in the league. Continuity on defense and innovation on offense… cant say that I’ve thought that way in….well maybe ever!

    I liked the draft and the way it worked out…sure would have like to see Pace take Josh Sweat in the fourth instead of “Iggy” but I’m sure he has his reasons and is obviously waaay better informed than I am about it. I kept thinking LB, OL, WR and Edge…in the first three rounds with just two picks….well, Pace couldn’t get all four but he got 3 of 4 and I really think next season, Anthony Miller is going to be a human highlight reel, along with Cohen.

    This next season is setting up to me one of the most entertaining I’ve seen in many years….just hope I’m not crushed…AGAIN!

    • SC Dave

      I’m actually really interested to see what hay Jordan Howard makes from all this. With some space to get a little head of steam, I think he could be a monster.

      What I *am* concerned about, however, is whether this new “lower the head” rule takes yards after contact out of football. I guess if *everyone* has to keep their head up, maybe it won’t ruin the game. However, I hate rules that allow even *more* “interpretation” by the zebras..

      • Bob Doll

        I am very concerned about the new rule too…at worst, it will take the physical running play out of the game and change the very fabric of the game…at best, the rule will be selectively enforced and create yet another controversy as games are won and lost based on the official’s “judgement” effectively taking another hit to the objectivity of officiating and introducing subjectivity…we may as well as have the effing Floor Exercise, complete with judges holding up their scoring cards!!! I can’t see this ending well…unless they don’t enforce it.

      • I think Howard should be more consistent.
        Anyone who had Howard on FF last yr knows how frustrating it was to play him.

        One game he would get 50 yds. 2yds/carry. The next, he would blow up for 150+.

        Naturally, this was due to Fox and his “gameplan”

        So I expect more consistency out of him.

        That being said, I also expect a big chunk of his carries to be funneled to Cohen and Burton (as a defacto run game in the WCO).

        If Nagy/Trub are the real deal though, Howard should be a TD machine.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          It was only his second year. Offensive Line went down. Rookie QB with no wide receivers.

          He should be consistent this year. He’s been arguably our best player.

      • Pretty Boy Assassin

        It would be one thing if the NFL could actually consistently enforce the current helmet to head rules, but they’ve failed at that for years. This will only make that problem worse. I expect more games like this game:

        Everyone remembers this hit: https://youtu.be/g3vcdYNwQ6k?t=393

        But the game got out of control here: https://youtu.be/g3vcdYNwQ6k?t=186

        Shazier is looked on as someone who the new rule is for. But he has benefited in the past by lowering his helmet, and has a history of doing so. Just another rule to move the game with the betting lines.

    • Juan Stone

      “Poised” to pounce? I likery!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Still seeing Grasu on a depth chart is most disappointing.

    • willbest

      Need the bodies in order to do drills in camp.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Granted but, it’s STILL disappointing.

        • evantonio

          But Harry Heistand. HARRY HEISTAND.

          • AlbertInTucson

            A true test of his supposed “genius” I think.

  • willbest

    Apparently, some people don’t see Jurassic Park/World as a cautionary tale. They see it as a how to.


    • Sactowns#1

      I’m far more concerned with the germs coming out of glacial melt and perma frost. Things we humans have never been exposed to and have no defenses for. A hairy elephant is way down on my list.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I would be more concerned about asteroids.

        • EnderWiggin

          I’d be more concerned about people.

          • KentuckyBearsFan


            Red Hot Chili Peppers – “Dark Necessities”

          • BenderMcLugh

            great tune & that album too

          • People riding T-rexs on asteroids

          • Juan Stone

            Don’t you mean “T-wrecks”? Hee hee

      • willbest

        new bacteria and viruses are created everyday in their never ending battle against one another. Those aren’t really a concern for us for the most part since they don’t really care about us. Now the people in the labs in Russia, China, Israel, and the US building biological doomsday weapons… those people are a cause for concern.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          all of that should be unnecessary by now.

          Efficient Liquid sodium nuclear reactors should have dropped the price of energy since the late 70s. Jimmy Carter banned them because it would have been too much of a game changer. In the political campaign he was called a peanut farmer….but come on…..he majored in nuclear engineering.

          • Don’t worry. Solar Panels is gonna put Energy out of biz.

            Edison in CA is already getting pissed off at homeowners installing them.

            Can drop the bill from $150 a month, to $3.

            Yup. And raise the price of your property too. That’s a major feature if you’re selling off your home.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            they are big in Germany.

            But America’s energy politics border on evil.

            A lot of home owner’s associations ban solar panels outright.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Germany went all in a few years back and subsidized solar.

          • CA I think gave rebates.

          • willbest

            Germany pays like 30 cents per kilowatt hour, and the US average is around 12. I could handle my electric bill tripled, but then I am not poor

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            In Mexico, because of the state run oil company, apparently residential utility rates are subsidized and almost comped completely for the poorer folks.

          • Juan Stone

            America without greed just wouldn’t be America now would it?

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            George Carlin made a comment that it would take 200 years to get past the current corruption.

            I hope it happens in my lifetime. There’s a chance…but only likely the line from Dumb and Dumber.

          • willbest

            They wouldn’t get pissed off about it if they weren’t forced to buy your excess energy during sunlight and use it as an offset against when you draw on their power. Basically the law allows you to use the electrical grid as a battery, except there is no battery and thus the power company is now forced to regulate power production based on the weather which sometimes means they are running in their plants at suboptimal efficiency

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            yeah the electrical grid is complicated to manage.

            I’m thinking about the literal murder Enron got away with in California. A lot of manufacturing companies went bankrupt because of the utility rates.

          • willbest

            Those Enron execs should have been roasted in on a spit. But the elite take care of their own and peasants haven’t started sharpening their pitchforks yet

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I’m vegetarian. No pitchfork. But I’ve got a sharp breadknife.

          • willbest

            I am not suggesting eating them. It would just be a slow, not so fun death

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            those Enron execs

            Ray Charles – “Hit the Road Jack”

      • Juan Stone

        Ah yes, I too saw the new “Thor” movie. Wasn’t Queen Hella smokin hot? Hee hee

  • BerwynBomber

    I generally consider myself a semi-cognizant fan, but sometimes there are reminders that I am out to lunch.

    I had no idea a guy named Aaron Lynch was on our team nor (until googling a few minutes ago) did I have any idea who Aaron Lynch was.

    All that said, I like the Aaron Lynch move. Hah!

    • Aaron Lynch has nice measurables. Fits the Pace mold. He also had his best season under Fangio (6 sacks I think, as a rook).

      Thereafter, he’s become fat and inj prone with questionable desire.

      As the Dean says, fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

      But, maybe he got a wake up call and Fangio can squeeze production out of him

      (though I think he’s currently INJ, again)

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        …but still man that seems like a horrible last name to keep as a family name.

        It’s like naming your kid Genocide.

  • On a lighter note…FF names!

    He be Bray-Bray

    Burtons’ Porkchop Express

    Miller Time

    Daniel’s ole #7

    Sowell Glow

    Olubunmi Wan Kenobi

    Too Legit to Fitts

    Meh. Chef’s gotta work with his ingredients.

    • Governerd

      I think “Burton’s Porkchop Express” will be the one I’m stealing come September.

    • BenderMcLugh

      Burton’s Steak House, works better

  • Pretty Boy Assassin

    Next year’s draft is all trenches and upside. Upgrade at RT, OLB and go get some more competitors to replace guys. Maybe a CB high if we struggle there. Trim any fat that we have…maybe Kyle Long is injured again and we replace him, or Amos reverts and he’s gone. But overall, find a start in the 1st round. This team has been lacking stars over the past couple of years, ever since Urlacher and Tilman left, and we need to start having some emerge.

    This roster looks absolutely nothing like last year at this time, and I love it.

    • BerwynBomber

      Although this was apparently an excellent draft for CB depth throughout numerous rounds. A guy like Oliver was the 58th pick in the draft. I’m guessing in some years he might have been an R1 or even top 20 guy.

      Btw, really liked what ATL did the first two rounds. Ridley at #26 and Oliver at #58 seems like superb value.

      • What I heard was that elite talent ran through about 15 players. then, after that, they were graded more or less the same till the 3rd.

        This is what made Pace wince seeing all that talent getting picked off, and him just watching, waiting for leftovers (and this is why many assumed he would trade down)

        So he traded back into that tier for Miller.

    • evantonio

      wonder who we’ll get at 32.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Mike Francesa is back on the air!

    More incoherent foul-ups to follow, no doubt.

    • Ososfan

      Haha! I hope to god he knocks out in air again! Have the fans make fun of his for daaaaayyys

  • BerwynBomber

    Piggybacking off CB’s post below, here is the single, most ballsy accomplishment I have ever seen:

    • That is nuts. Had to be in Mexico cuz if that mountain were over here, they’d probably ban ppl from attempting to climb it free style.

      But in Mex, “Go ahead, Gringo.”

      Found this interesting in the comments, which I would like to verify.

      “A brain imaging study was done on him, comparing him to other climbers.
      His amygdala does not activate, giving him an extremely high threshold
      for feeling fear. But he is very conscientious and careful, so that
      allows him to be successful at climbs like this (as opposed to just
      reckless and dead).”

      • BerwynBomber

        I first learned about him a half-dozen years ago via a segment on “60 Minutes”, which was prior to his El Cap accomplishment.

        Here is the 60 minutes segment if you are interested. It’s pretty mind-blowing:

        • I’ll check it out. It’s crazy, cuz he doesn’t come off as an adrenaline junkie. I think he said it himself, if he feels adrenaline, something’s gone horribly wrong.

          Here’s a quick Kimmel interview of him I found.

          Reminds me of the serial killer “The Ice Man” when the FBI profiler asked him if he felt adrenaline when killing, and he responded, ‘No. I didn’t feel anything. If I felt one way or another, I woudln’t be good at it’

          Later the FBI profiler told him he could’ve been a good fireman, bombsquader, test pilot, or other extremely hazardous occupation, if it weren’t for his horrendous upbringing.

          Certain humans seem to have a high tolerance for fear (or lack thereof. Daredevil, forreals).

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, check out the 60 minutes piece. It is jaw-droppingly good.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            not adrenaline, but I’ve probably got enough natural cortisol in my veins to limit my activities this week.

            And it was higher 20 years ago.

        • SC Dave

          Cant watch… is this the dude that did all three free climb routes of El Capitan in 24 hours?

          • BerwynBomber

            Not sure because there is a difference between free climbing and free soloing.

            But this is the kid who free soloed El Cap last June. He is only the person to ever do it. In fact, he might be the only person to ever attempt it.

            Apparently, <1% of all climbers even attempt free soloing because of the danger/penalty.

    • AlbertInTucson


      Right up there with people who feel the need to try and climb Everest, IMO.

      • BerwynBomber

        Hillary and Norgay were badasses in my book.

        But hey, to each their own …

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Led Zeppelin – “When The Levee Breaks”

    • Sactowns#1

      I think you mean Kansas Joe – When the Levee Breaks

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I had no idea that song went back that long ago.

        I used to live in Jackson from kindergarten through half of 3rd grade.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I was just listening to an older Page and Plant do ‘Rain Song’ today for the twins.

      We did the complete Motorhead at Christmas.

  • Ososfan

    In regards to Blogfather’s giddyness to have the pope back: WFAN suffered tremendously after he left, I always listened to him for his hot takes and crazy blow ups and fan interactions, he can be a prick but he’s OUR prick! Lol I bet he was paid HANDSOMELY to come back lol, in other news, I feel Iggy will offer a lot of value to the D, 3-4 defenses are all about not letting the QB know where the pressure is coming from right? Iggy seems like a hybrid ILB/S/OLB I feel he’s gonna bring the boom and help our defense in ways fangio couldn’t take advantage of with Kwith (well he did blitz Kwit a lot to some positive results) but the ILB who left to the lions didn’t have the keen to kinda do what IGGY will, hopefully. Let’s see what happens BEAR DOWN!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, I … have a feeling Iggy breaks out and I have hopes for Deiondre Hall at safety.

      • Ososfan

        Lmao I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but I know I was one of the few who thought Hall could ball out… and he hasn’t done shit! Damn it!

        • Irish Sweetness

          He hasn’t played safety yet for us- maybe comes in some at nickel.. He looked like he had instincts playing corner. I’m hopeful.

    • SC Dave

      Like I wrote, Ee-yay-BOOM-nee-way

      • Johnnywad

        In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight……..

        • AlbertInTucson

          The Tokens.

      • I’ve written that name in three different articles now and had to Google it every time.

        • willbest

          I think part of the reason immigrants used to change their name is because before computers nobody would be able to spell it correctly ever.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I forgot how to say my own first name in rural Kentucky since it was mispronounced almost always.

            I’m thinking if I ever go with a stage name, it will be either Kentucky or Cain now.

          • AlbertInTucson

            3 of my Dad’s 4 siblings legally shortened the family name.

            Pretty sure he disliked that concept.

        • Count yourself lucky we didn’t draft Washington Tevita Tuliakiono Tuipuloto Mosese Va’hae Faletau Vea (aka, Vita Vea)

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Nine Inch Nails – “The Hand That Feeds”

  • BerwynBomber
    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Should have just kept Garoppolo.

      Kraft is getting senile in his old age.

      But Belichick’s mind is still strong as ever.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Shedding garoppolo was crazy.

    • Wouldn’t surprise me.

      I didn’t even know who Mayfield was last season. I just remember watching one of his game, and he stood out, like who the heck is this QB and why isn’t anyone talking about him?

      SC or Dave politely pointed out that it’s Mayfield and he was indeed one of the top QBs.

      To me, he has the “It’ of Watson with the everything else of a traditional QB.

      But going to the Browns…oof. Dunno how he’ll hold up there.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    not a good sign…it’s the trends I’ve been seeing and feeling the last decade.

    “New Cigna Study Reveals Loneliness at Epidemic Levels in America.”

    But it’s probably worse than this.

    Gainesville has the highest per capita prescription use of anti-psychotics in the country. Not anti-depressants. Anti-psychotics. Something is clearly wrong for the younger generation. From a study a year or two ago.

    “New Cigna Study Reveals Loneliness at Epidemic Levels in America.”

    “Generation Z (adults ages 18-22) is the loneliest generation and claims to be in worse health than older generations.”

    • Tinfoil hat on – Deep state spiking the water!

      Actually, it might be a combo of factors.

      1st and foremost, the ironic paradigm that tech makes it easier to connect while simultaneously isolating us.

      Kids are being raised by their Wiis, Playstations, Cells, YT, Netflix, headphones, while their parents are off in the next room, doing the same. Less human interaction has to affect our psychology at some level, esp in the formative years.

      MB used to have a rule with his kids. No more than 1hour on devices per day (something like that).

      Maybe he has the right idea.

      Other generations actually had to go out and interact. Pick up football on the streets. Sometimes you don’t know the kids. Sometimes they’re bullies, Sometimes they’re cool. Sometimes it’s a lil scary. Sometimes it’s fun as hell. But, that’s childhood. Or at least our childhood.

      Generation Z’s childhood version of that was playing Call of Duty with their squad sitting on their couches.

      I read an FB post the other day of someone getting anxiety answering a phone call. WTF?

      That never even crossed my mind. But I came from a generation when taking away phone calls was a punishment. Being kept in the house was a punishment.

      Now, it’s the opposite. You wanna punish a kid, make him talk. Take away his wii and force him to go play outside.

      And the parents seem complicit.

      It’s easier to quiet rowdy boys when they’re staring down at a screen.

      As many know, I’m a Trekkie. And I often aske myself, “If we really did have holodecks, would we be going out exploring space – or would we just retreat into our little own holodeck fantasies and never even leave the room?”

      Seems like humanity is trending towards the latter.

      This is one big factor.

      I’m sure there’s other factors too, maybe even chemical – maybe the food, water, antibiotics, vaccines, pharm drugs, something underlying making kids more anxious and lonely.


      The 24 hrs news cycles, twitter, etc can contribute to a heighten sense turmoil and alienation, methinks.

      Dunno what the solution would be.

      What did the old hippies say?

      Drop out, tune in

      Something like that. Go on a hikes with the kids. Surf. Camp. Hunt. Road trips.

      Do human activities.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Too many single parent families. That used to be an anomaly. Divorces sky high.

        • Divorces were climbing pre-internet. What, something like 50%?

          But now with all the social media, seems like everyone is cheating on each other even more.

          As the saying goes, you’re only as loyal as your options, and the internet has given even the ugliest poorest sad sack, more options.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I think it has more to do with economic stress since about 1980.

      • willbest

        The internet creates a false reality. The stress is caused by the mental gymnastics of living in a false world.

        • Irish Sweetness

          False world. Exactly. Santa Claus. We’re all guilty.

      • SC Dave

        Many would argue it is the decline of the church, of “God”.

        • Maybe. Guess it depends on what church and what god.

          The U.S. for instance is mostly theist, and attends church and higher level then say Europe.

          (In fact, most of the world is theist. Like 98%)

          So what has changed in the last 20 yrs?

          Same can be said for divorce rates. They’ve been pretty high post 60s.

          So single parenting is nothing new. So, what other factors are contributing to Gen Zs alienation and psychosis?

          • Johnnywad

            It’d be interesting to separate the churchgoers in the study from the rest and see if the numbers change.

            I believe it’s all of the above as you posted.

            Perfect storm of easy, bad decisions and habits at a societal level.

          • Separating the church goers would be interesting, but I’m not sure how telling that would be.

            I’ve known a lot of church goers who were damn hypocrites .

            For instance, studies found that the Bible belt watches the most porn


            And Pornhub presented stats that they watch the most GAY porn (NTTAWWT, unless you’re a goddamn hypocrite).

            So attending church doesn’t translate to more virtuous or less “sinful”

            Then of course, you get to what type of churches, how often, etc.

            Ppl think I’m some commie liberal, but it’s been my experience that a nuclear ‘normal’ family produces the least fucked up children.

            I’ve seen it first hand. Those who grew up in the hood, hanging with rough kids, attending prison-like schools, while their single mom worked two jobs vs that kid in the burbs with mom/dad, house, vacations, yards and rooms…

            Not saying the nuclear fam is the ONLY way, but safest bet.

            (as long as the mom and dad themselves aren’t psychos, abusers, fanatics…).

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Is lesbian porn included in GAY porn?

          • I would think so. Maybe there’s a more in depth chart breaking it down, but then you get into…slippery…slope territory.

          • willbest

            its not your experience. Kids odds go way up when their parents stay married. every study shows this. The counter is that well if those people were forced to be married those kids would be f’d up growing up in that environment. but the dynamic of the relationship changes when people know they can’t just cut bait.

          • Johnnywad

            I agree. That’s been my view as well.

          • Irish Sweetness

            People are hypocrites. Their belief system is irrelevant. Just applying biases there my friend.

          • Here’s a question. Can a nihilist be a hypocrite? Can someone who doesn’t believe in anything be a hypocrite?

            If you read Socrates, he’s always battling sophists (relativists) and skeptics (ppl who essentially believe in nothing).

            Naturally, Socrates is cast in a favorable light because the western psyche is addicted to belief. It’s our heroine.

            But the skeptic brought up good points, for instance, a man who believes in Zeus and Greece and male superiority will be more likely to warmonger or oppress in their names, while someone who claims he doesn’t really believe in anything will simply shrug his shoulders and live his own life.

            There’s a famous story of Diogenes (an infamous skeptic who lived in a tub) meeting Alexander the Great.

            Alexander the Great in one of his many adventures heard about this kook. Alexander the Great claimed he could make him “sell out”.

            So, he met him, and to his surprise, there he was butt naked in his tub. Diogenes didn’t bow, didn’t kiss Alexander’s ass, no nothing he was accustomed to.

            Alexander was amused (lucky for Diogenes. Lot of other tyrants would behead for ‘disrespect), so he offered him anything he wanted. Money, women, a grand school like Plato had…

            “What ever it is you want, you’ll have”

            Diogenes without missing a beat, looked up, squinted, and responded,
            “I would like you to get out of my sun”

            Alexander tipped his hat, then proceeded off with his army to conquer the known world.

            Diogenes “the dog” just chilled in his tub.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I’m the son of obscure cult members. At times it was the reason for our family not being close.

            Grew up with a lot of yelling in the household. Parents who couldn’t control their emotions because of bad business decisions.

            My older sister is an atheist, like I think their husband. I guess I was agnostic for most of my life but then things got so weird that I just thought there has to be another explanation. Maybe not a good one, but I’m seeing order in a completely fucked up world.

            When there is no longer food at the grocery store, then I’ll believe we’ve lost it all. I’ve read the nobel prize winning Sen studies about famine a long time ago.

            “Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.” – Jeffrey Archer

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Europe stopped going to church after two World Wars.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No athiests in foxholes.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            “So, what other factors are contributing to Gen Zs alienation and psychosis?”

            Part of it is the tech. Continuing loss of jobs. And the schooling system paid with property taxes went downhill.

            Optimism seems to have almost died after 9-11 and the real estate bust.

            And then the expectation of war within the next generation. Between either A.I. robots or aliens or both. Besides whatever the heck we’re going through war since about 1991.

            There needs to be balance in the Force. And the Lady Justice seems to have a hernia and back aches right now.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s our removal from the path of our ultimate purpose. You turn poet warriors into consumers and this is what you get. And it’s entirely designed by us.

          • willbest

            next war is going to be civil. Yugoslavia style.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The definition of god among those theists varies greatly. 98% of the planet does not believe the same thing, clearly.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Damn it you guys are making troll.

          I would argue that it is the lack of strong male figures.Kids can go to online blogs and see grown ass men whining that there team did not draft their man crushes, and crying because their team did not resign a kicker or an old ass running back.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How does it feel being one of those whining men, MHBP?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Me? Not going to say I have never whined on here but I don’t remember, maybe about glennon.

        • Irish Sweetness

          A rational society founded on mysticism. Perhaps. One can believe in something rather than nothing
          What do athiests believe in?

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        In high school, there was a cool kid in rural Kentucky who’s dad would go to all his soccer games. Even the road ones.

        And he was loud yelling at the referees. That’s a good family.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        If you even control for inflation, the taxes collected now are ridiculously high compared to 1960.

        The society is being bled even though it seems more profitable and prosperous.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Banks continue to create wealth out of thin air. Until we kill them the world’s problems will spiral out of control.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Society has lost its soul and its people are hurting.

  • EnderWiggin

    Some asshat stealing Data’s work again…


    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      ummm….. That’s Data’s twitter page.

      • EnderWiggin

        Oh, really? Wooooow, what a small world!

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s okay, Ender, nobody saw that.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Audioslave – “Show Me How to Live”

  • BerwynBomber

    Tolliver is a good gamble for a UDFA. There some thought that he might be drafted.

  • Terry Russell

    Good stuff! I think Ryan Nall is going to be competition for Michael Burton in a FB/H-Back type role. I’d slot him at #2 FB instead of at the end of the RB chart.

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