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Backing It Up: Should the Chicago Bears Draft Luke Falk as 2nd String QB?

| February 15th, 2018

The Chicago Bears have found their answer at starting quarterback, but that doesn’t mean they’re completely set at the position. It remains to be seen who else will be in the quarterback room with Trubisky this year, backing him up.

We know for sure one guy who won’t be there: Mike Glennon. Glennon’s a fine backup, and I’m sure he’ll land somewhere in 2018, but it won’t be Chicago. Then there’s Mark Sanchez, who undoubtedly proved an excellent mentor to Trubisky, and is someone I’d like to see stay with the organization in some capacity. I just don’t know if I want him out on the field if Trubisky gets injured. (Actually, I’m pretty sure I don’t.)

So what are the Bears to do?

Certainly there is never a shortage of veteran backups looking for a landing spot and the hot rumor has Matt Nagy looking at Chase Daniel this March. But there’s also another option: a rookie quarterback later in the draft.

When Ryan Pace was first hired as Chicago’s GM he was quoted as saying he wouldn’t be opposed to drafting a quarterback every year. Well he didn’t take any in years one and two, so maybe he’s due for another QB in year four?

One quarterback prospect expected to go in the later rounds, who has gotten a fair amount of press coverage due in part to making a positive impression on multiple teams during Senior Bowl week, is Washington State University quarterback Luke Falk.

Now I consider myself sort of a fair weather WSU fan. I have several family members who graduated from there, and I ended up finishing my second degree at one of their branch campuses. But I don’t consider myself a devoted alumnus. Still, I live on the west coast, watch most of their games and root for them in bowl games. All that has given me a decent look at Luke Falk over the years, and in my opinion, if he’s available on Day 3 the Bears should seriously consider him.

As of right now that would mean probably drafting him (at the earliest) in the 4th round, as Chicago doesn’t currently hold a 3rd round pick (though I wouldn’t be completely surprised if that changed by draft time). Given that NFL teams are almost universally pathological in their attempts to reach for a QB, it’s possible Falk won’t even be available by the time the Bears get to pick on Day 3, and I certainly can’t advocate taking him any earlier than that.

However, football is over and we’re a month out from free agency, so let’s speculate (because there’s nothing else to do) and assume Luke Falk is available for the Bears to take in round four. What are the potential upsides and downsides to drafting him?


Pros

  • High football-IQ
  • PAC-12 all-time leader in passing yards & touchdowns
  • Accurate passer
  • Sees the field well
  • Strong work ethic
  • Good leadership skills
  • Mature demeanor

Cons

  • Not the strongest arm
  • Not very mobile
  • Has a tendency to hold the ball too long
  • Too slender (6’4″, 211 lbs)
  • His career stats are potentially inflated and less meaningful due to Mike Leach’s Air Raid offense

This is not an exhaustive list of Falk’s strengths and weaknesses, but it’s enough for you to get a sense of what he could potentially bring to the table as a backup quarterback. He’s an intelligent, mature, hard-working guy and an accurate passer. But he is also lacking in arm strength and pure athleticism.

How Luke Could Benefit Mitch

The primary focus for the Chicago Bears is and continues to be whatever is best for Trubisky’s development. Adding Luke Falk to the team could provide Tru with not only a smart, analytical backup who can be of help with Matt Nagy’s dynamic offense, but also offer a bit of added pressure and competition at the quarterback position.

Look, I don’t think Luke Falk could or would ever be good enough to overtake Trubisky as a starter, but having another young guy grinding for an opportunity to prove himself could push Trubisky to be even better. After all, Trubisky has already shown himself to be an intense competitor and an exceptionally hard-worker. He’s the type of guy who would be motivated by competition, not shy away from it.

The way I see it, the worst case scenario for the Bears drafting Luke Falk in a later round is that he ends up a bust on the field, but is still a sharp, professional football mind in the QB room, and the Bears cut him when the time is right.

Best case scenario? Luke Falk becomes a capable NFL-caliber backup, with the ability to step in for Trubisky if needed. Maybe he even becomes a potentially valuable trade piece. Who knows?

Predicting success in the NFL is always a complete guessing game, and the Chicago Bears still have a lot of other pressing needs. If a better, more immediately useful player is available in the fourth round the Bears should absolutely take him. I’m just suggesting the Bears keep Falk on their radar and do their due diligence. After all, if this past NFL season taught us anything, it’s that the backup quarterback position can be quite an important one.


Note

It felt wrong to write about Luke Falk and his participation in the Senior Bowl without mentioning the fact that he skipped the actual game to attend the funeral of his friend and backup quarterback, Tyler Hilinski, who tragically took his own life in January. If you’re suffering please never hesitate to reach out for help by calling the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255. Take care of yourselves, Bears fans.

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  • SC Dave

    Had a chuckle at the “nothing else to do”. Truth.

    • BenderMcLugh

      6’4″ 211lbs doesn’t seem slender to me honestly

      • DaBearsBlog

        6’4″ 211 is rail thin

        • BenderMcLugh

          how tall are you, Jeff?

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        For NFL football it is. He’s 4 to 5 inches taller than most guys his weight in the league.

      • CanadaBear

        It’s pretty light for a guy that tall that’s in good shape (muscle weighs more than fat). I would think bulking up about 15 lbs would be fairly simple.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah, that was what I was implying. He’s still a kid.

        • Scharfinator

          Alshon can help him with some growth supplements.

          • CanadaBear

            HGH and steroids; the cornerstone of an NFL breakfast!

    • Emily

      Yeah. It’s definitely not my biggest concern about him. But it’s frequently brought up when he’s talked about as an NFL prospect. He definitely still has the time to fill out a bit.

  • BenderMcLugh

    careful now, Emily…..

  • BenderMcLugh

    I agree with drafting a backup QB. No idea if this is the guy they should target, but I have to believe Pace & Nagy have their sites on a few options.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Upside:

    None. He’d be a snot-nosed rook.

    Downside:

    All. MT goes down and you’ve got a rookie runt under center (although this would guarantee us a top draft pick – never a bad thing). The guy that goes in for MT better not have training wheels on, that’s what grizzled vets are for anyway. It’s their sole purpose in life.

    Waste of a draft pick, and we have no third rounder – so after the second round we wouldn’t have a shot at a starter until round 5. Pace has already shot us in the foot over-paying for MT and we can’t afford to draft another QB and waste that precious pick (which needs to be an ILB/OL/OLB/CB/WR/RB before it needs to be a QB. That’s a PCP habit, never mind crack.)

    Look at the cons listed. Honestly … why would you? We have holes to fill. Mark Sanchez has forgotten more about football than Luke Falk knows.

    • leftcoastdave

      We have holes to fill so we waste a pick or two on Saquon Barkley?

      Something doesn’t add up there.

  • Irish Sweetness

    If we had that third we could have used it to move up this year and take Saquon.

    This is when the effects of Pace’s strateegery becomes apparent. Instead of stuttering and stumbling over “oh he HAD to do that don’t you see…” look at the facts. We have no 3rd rounder to package with a 4th and that costs us another generational running back. Unless….

    Would anyone give up the 2nd rounder to move up for Saquon? In a New York Minute I would.

    • You are out of your mind. The Bears don’t need Barkley, and he’s not a generational talent.

      You don’t trade up in the top 10 to draft a RB. You do trade up in the top 5 to take the top QB on the board.

      • SC Dave

        *Especially* when you don’t need a running back.

        • CanadaBear

          Last year Fournette was the flavor of the draft. Is he good? Sure. Is he a once in a generation RB? Uh. no. I’m guessing Barkely’s in the same boat.

          • evantonio

            Irish was pushing for Fournette last year, and Barkley this year.

            Irish, are RBs your thing like safeties were MB’s?

          • CanadaBear

            100%

          • SC Dave

            Who, ever, was a “once in a generation” player. I only have two guys I’d nominate – Dick Butkus and Jerry Rice.

            Well, maybe Otto Graham but I’d have to look around. I think he was a contemporary of Unitas.

            Edit: And Payton, I suppose. Went to check, and his career did not overlap with Barry Sanders

          • CanadaBear

            As much as I dislike Lawrence Taylor I’d have to give him the nod. Probably Brady because of the career. I’d say Gale for sure if he would have lasted a few more years. Randy Moss might be in the conversation.

          • SC Dave

            My criteria for a “generational player” would be one that was just way better than everyone else playing during their career.

            Brady – not clearly better than Manning and Brees
            Moss – not clearly better than T. Owens, and probably others

            Taylor – hmm… maybe because he was that different

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough, although I gotta say, the longer Brady plays the more he separates himself from Manning and Brees. Brees was good this year but he’s been in double digits for INT’s forever. Super prolific and a HOF’er but Brady throws a lot fewer. Either way, I’m splitting hairs for sure. Honestly, I hate including L.T. in the conversation but he was a force of nature (with a little help from the old chemistry set).

          • BenderMcLugh

            Jim Brown

          • Reggie White too for me.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He can’t catch the ball.

  • I’d be down with drafting a QB on day 3 this year, and down with Falk as that guy.

    • SC Dave

      There are probably others too that might be worth a day 3 pick. It’s way early to know who will still be on the board.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I doubt Falk lasts that long.

    • leftcoastdave

      Agree with a QB, but I like Nic Shionek who took over after Mahomes left TT. Good plan to get a qb along with a vet for backup.

      https://247sports.com/Player/Nic-Shimonek-21122#passing

  • SC Dave
  • Juan Stone

    Sorry Emily but your entire thesis is wrong. Hee hee.

    • CanadaBear

      Hey Trac, what’s shakin’?

      • Juan Stone

        Hi Canada, I see the blog has picked up the political football again. Oh brudda!

  • CanadaBear

    I hope this makes you laugh.

    Watch Yu Darvish throw his first pitches as a Cub, to catcher Willson
    Contreras. He bounced one of them in prompting another teammate to ask
    if “he needed a cutoff man.”

  • BearDown100393

    Falk cannot throw long, cannot run, is pass rush dream, physically built like a giraffe and only played in a college happy offense.

    And you ask should Pace draft him?

    Sure why not.

  • BerwynBomber

    Given his height and lack of mobility I would not worry about Falk’s slender build. (If he is mobile then his slight build becomes more of an issue.)

    The safest place a QB can be on an NFL playing field is in the pocket.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Add to “Pros” -3 full seasons as a starter.

    Add to “Cons”: Regressed a bit as a senior.

  • CaponeBot 1.0

    Should the Bears draft Luke Falk?
    Yes.
    If he can make himself into a huge black Linebacker.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      And catch passes and kick field goals.

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      How about a fast, smart, insanely skilled WHITE linebacker?

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Veteran backup it is then.

    And then maybe a 5th,6th, or undrafted quarterback with more upside than David Fales just so Nagy can give pep talks like “I was overlooked too. Look where I am now!”

    Nothing like telling a young worshiped athlete since high school that he would be better off coaching.

  • Sactowns#1

    Not to get too political for fear of Dave having yet another heart attack, it’s certainly telling that yesterdays tragedy is now so commonplace that we fail to even mention it here. : (

    • CaponeBot 1.0

      I’ve changed my tune over the years regarding gun control. I wanted very much to be able to trust the people in this country to do what was right, for public policy to intelligently address issues, for required training, licensing and background checks to be applied and diligently followed, for repercussions of those unwilling to follow simple laws to be swift and severe but it is apparent that it is simply not the case.
      It simply has to become illegal to buy, sell or transfer the weapons capable of mass slaughter from here on out. It solves the problems of inventory on the street, owned by private citizens, etc. The penalties for violating the law have to be so severe that it discourages the people in position to distribute these weapons.
      If we don’t do anything we just have to be prepared for the consequences that this weird culture of bullying, vengeance, depression and hopelessness will bring and that, my friends, are mass shootings.

      • willbest

        So trucks? because that is what is used for mass slaughter in Europe.

        I pointed it out to my wife yesterday, when she was talking about a double door entry and metal detectors. I said why wouldn’t somebody just take a big truck and plow through the kids out at recess on the field

        • That Guy

          Trucks have as their primary purpose driving large loads of goods from one place to another. They, in their normal use, kill no one.

          Guns have as their primary purpose killing people. In the normal use of a gun, someone can and will die.

          So no, trucks and guns are not equal.

          Just because someone CAN be killed by a truck doesn’t mean you have to ban them if you ban the very weapons that DO get used with regularity to kill large numbers of people.

          • willbest

            The equalizer is the person intending to cause lots of death. That makes them both just as lethal.

          • That Guy

            Someone using a bomb can cause lots of death. So why ban them, if it is only the INTENT of the use that matters?

          • willbest

            Didn’t see a lot of calls to ban pressure cookers after the boston marathon bombing. Were you on the forum back then advocating for such?

          • That Guy

            No, because the primary use for pressure cookers is to use them to, you know, cook.

            Your argument is: why ban guns, because people can use trucks to kill people?
            My argument is: guns are made for killing; trucks are made transporting stuff. Pressure cookers are made for cooking stuff. And despite trucks and pressure cookers having been used here and there to kill, there is no epidemic of truck-related or pressure cooker-related mass casualty events. There is, however, ample evidence that guns are related to many, many mass casualty events.

            So you say, why ban guns and not trucks? I say, the 17 people in Parkland weren’t killed by some yahoo with a truck. If trucks were so dangerous and deadly of mass-killing devices, why didn’t the kid drive a truck into the school. Oh, that’s right, because guns are still more efficient killing devices, and easy to get and use.

          • willbest

            I didn’t say ban trucks. I am merely pointed out trucks are efficient at killing thing, and you have two coutners
            1) Nobody is really using truck attacks (yet).

            http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/timeline-new-york-attack/index.html

            Which is obviously an awful counterpoint because they have started.

            2) Trucks have other uses besides killing

            Now this is where things get tricky. Because I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but as I understand you, your defense is basically that a tool whose primary/only function is killing should not be readily available to people that have no criminal record. If that isn’t your position please clarify it. Specifically, stating clearly who should be allowed such a tool, and under what circumstances.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This is a very bad argument, Will.

            Saying guns don’t kill people, people kill people does not mean you should hand out guns to the public. 17 year old psychos should not be able to get their hands on weapons that fire projectiles faster than the speed of sound.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There should be guns available … because trucks? Jesus Will, what’s that defense called?

          • willbest

            My point is people that want to kill will find ways to do it. You seem to disagree.

            You also don’t seem to keen on the idea of a universal right to self preservation.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Pretty sure the point is Evil people will find whatever tool necessary to do their evil. Ban guns, they will move on to the next option. That could be driving a car or truck into a crowd, that could be spending 5 minutes on google to learn how to make bombs out of household crap, ie Boston Marathon bombing. They could spend more time and money planning their attacks and making bigger bombs, like Oklahoma City bombing.

            One of the main problems with society is the people that try to explain away Evil. We always hear excuses like he was bullied, his parents died, he has a mental illness. BS. Millions of people go through the same shit yet they don’t decide to kill a bunch of people.

            I live in a community that had a recent school shooting and it was only the actions of a teacher that prevented it from being deadly. She saw what was happening and she reacted to stop it in progress. Unfortunately a couple students were shot, fortunately they were not life threatening. I had family members and friends in that school.

            Afterwards there was debate all over on why it happened, and what should be done to prevent it, and how the kid should be punished. There were people who actually defended the little evil punk, and said he should not punished to the most severe extent of the law, if at all. They defended his actions by trying to make him out to be a victim. Fuck that shit. He made the decision, he got the guns, he loaded the guns, he carried the guns to school, and he pulled the trigger. While he may have had his reasons for it, there is no defense for his actions, he had multiple opportunities to make a decision not to do it. It was a planned attack, it is premeditated murder attempt.

            It is the same thing in the FL shooting. While there are always contributing factors that can be cited for why these things occurred, it still takes someone evil to plan and execute these shootings. Plain and simple, these are deliberate actions made by evil people.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That does not mean guns should be freely available because most people aren’t ‘evil’ whatever that means. I don’t think a lot of folk are religious on here. Hearing about ‘good’ and ‘evil’ is somewhat strange in that context.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            evil: profoundly immoral and malevolent, having or showing a wish to do harm to others.

            No religious context here. There are ‘bad’ people that are willing and wanting to do bad things to others.

      • CanadaBear

        It would help if mental health was addressed more seriously.

        • BerwynBomber

          That won’t curb it much. I’m all for supporting more public mental health facilities, but the only thing that will leave a serious dent is what Waffle proposes.

          • willbest

            Banning trucks?

          • CanadaBear

            Really don’t agree. Every one of these shooters are mentally disturbed. If they receive treatment and have records kept, it would help a lot. It would help to keep track of them and possibly help a few of them get better.

          • BerwynBomber

            The repeat offender list in America in probably enormous. But you think mental health facilities for people who haven’t even committed a crime yet are going to deter a significant # of mass murder shootings?

            Call me skeptical …

          • CanadaBear

            We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

          • BerwynBomber

            P.S. Why do you think mental health is not addressed seriously?

          • willbest

            The largest provider of mental health services in cook county is the jail. Kind of sad that you have to commit a crime to get treatment.

          • CanadaBear

            Health care in the US is for profit. Not much profit in helping mentally disturbed people if they don’t have insurance.

          • willbest

            Incidentally, it didn’t used to be that way. My mom used to work in a mental health hospital back in the 70’s and early 80’s before the closed it down and those patients had nowhere to go.

          • CanadaBear

            St Reagan closed them down. After that, we ended up with the vast majority of them homeless or in jail.

          • leftcoastdave

            Saint Ronald the Great did that in California after the courts said you could no longer detain people against their will. And you might have noticed, it happened all across the country.

          • CanadaBear

            He was in the WH when it went all across the country.

          • leftcoastdave

            This from an online shrink publication:

            “American President John F. Kennedy signed the Community Mental Health Centers Act in 1963 as a means of facilitating the transitioning of patients from inpatient psychiatric hospitals out into communities.11As a result of all of these factors, deinstitutionalization began. Hugenumbers of state hospitals were closed all across the United States.7–12 The number of psychiatric inpatients declined precipitously from a high of more than 550,000 in 1950 to 30,000 by the 1990s.4”

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3392176/

          • CanadaBear

            The Repubs defunded them under Reagan. Threw it on the States. We know the rest.

          • SC Dave

            So, are you blaming Reagan for a decision of the court?

          • leftcoastdave

            Of course not, Ronaldus Maximus had nothing to do with it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And then in the Eighties he deregulated the banks and let Satan off the leash. What a time.

          • AlbertInTucson

            $$$.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The lack of money spent on it, versus the trillions of dollars spent on attack, I mean defense.

          • willbest

            who said repeat offenders should have guns? Again we are stuck here with a failure of law enforcement to do its job. And because of that, you think law abiding citizens need to be disarmed.

          • BerwynBomber

            Calm down, conservative gun lobby guy.

            I was only saying, rhetorically, that recidivism rates in this country are much higher than one would hope.

            Yet we are thinking that mental health facilities will do even better jobs for people who might not even have records?

            Faulty logic, IMO.

          • willbest

            I am not a gun lobby guy, but I am very much in the camp of people that are going to murder or steal aren’t going to care about procedural impediments. Acquiring a gun is a speed bump in this country and there is no way to change that without going door to door.

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s like saying you can’t outlaw pot or any other drug for the same reason.

            Outlaw the production. Outlaw the ownership. And you will soon start seeing Police Dept’s collecting them.

            Some will stay in circulation — just like drugs — but you would see a ton confiscated. Plus, no legal selling will start drying the swamp also.

          • willbest

            It seems very clearly that attempts at outlawing pot have failed. And its not just some pot that is still in circulation its the vast majority of it. And that was true before several states said F-it and gave up on it. Also see prohibition.

            You aren’t going to get any meaningful enforcement against a population that is unwilling to voluntarily adhere to the law. That is the dirty little secret of governance.

          • SC Dave

            I disagree. Primarily, they are evil.

    • willbest

      Aren’t you the one fond of telling us you are more likely to a whaling attack than whatever outrage of the day is?

      People saw something and reported him to the authorities. They did not act.

      • BerwynBomber

        Tough to arrest someone on suspicion of future mass murder. If the latter was even accurately predicted.

        • willbest

          What its tough to do is put mentally ill people in an institution, because we closed all the institutions. And they won’t ever let us know what drugs this guy was taking (probably legal to deal with the loss of his mother).

          • BerwynBomber

            Probably tougher to retain someone for a long period of time in a mental health facility without a court order.

            The mental health answer is incredibly small compared to the one that would limit access to assault weapons. Or guns in general.

          • CanadaBear

            Assault weapons and products that make them go from semi-auto to full-auto.

          • willbest

            Has new information come out? Last I heard he did this with semi-auto. The only quasi-full out in forever was the bumpstock vegas thing

          • CanadaBear

            I haven’t heard anything about this one. I’m definitely referring to the Vegas shooting. Why a product like that was ever legal is beyond me.

          • That Guy

            Why a product like that is STILL legal is beyond me. Boggles me that despite them being used to kill dozens of people in one incident, not a single bill got to the floor to ban the things.

            Not a single bill. To the floor. Not even a vote.

          • CanadaBear

            I gave up a few years ago after the shooting in Newtown. VA tried to pass a law that you could only buy 4 guns/month (48 guns/year) and they couldn’t even get that off the ground.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ONLY 48 guns a year!! Call that freedom??

          • willbest

            There are 300+ million guns. horses are out of the barn.

          • That Guy

            So we should just throw up our hands and resign ourselves to dozens of mass shootings a year, with hundreds of dead bodies?

          • willbest

            No because it will just be trucks if you succeed in getting the guns. And there are a dozen more ways I know of to kill a bunch of people easily that haven’t been widely used so I dare not mention them. The tool people use to kill others will change with what is available to them. You got to go after the root. That is why we are talking about mental illness.

          • CanadaBear

            The only difference is killing with a gun at a distance keeps the killer somewhat detached, while killing people with a truck is very visceral. Either way, I agree mental illness is a huge issue.

          • That Guy

            If mental illness is such a huge concern, maybe we should make it HARDER, not EASIER for mentally-ill people to purchase guns?

            OH wait… https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/trump-repealed-rule-to-block-mentally-ill-people-from-buying-guns/

          • CanadaBear

            You’re preaching to the choir.

          • That Guy

            No one is driving a truck into a school and killing kids by the dozen in the hallways.

            In fact, despite trucks being easy to get and easy to use to commit acts of mass murder, there are FAR MORE people killed in mass shootings in this country than in mass truck-running-over-people incidents.

            So until/unless truck mass-killings reach parity with gun homicides, how about we pack this little straw man away?

          • willbest

            What I can’t figure out is why you want to go after the strawman of guns when its the mentally ill person that is the problem.

            See you aren’t interested in perhaps making it easier to get people adjudicated a danger to themselves or others or have them sent in for 72-hour lock downs if they post on social media about wanting to kill a bunch of people. Things that might reduce the number of people out there wanting to murder a bunch of people. That isn’t your game. Your game is just about making yourself feel better irrespective of whether or not it will do any good.

          • SC Dave

            As I posted moments ago, why not call Evil what it is. Millions of mentally ill people do not go around shooting everyone they can.

          • willbest

            Because the guy recently was orphaned, he grew up with some chunk of his life without a father figure, and I would bet money was on some sort of anti-depressant we aren’t allowed to know the name of.

            Its possible he was just evil, or its possible that some fucking shrink put him on something he had no business being on.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Anti -depressants are at the back of a lot of these cases, be they suicides or murders. What if it wasn’t the mentally ill, but the drugs?

          • willbest

            It absolutely could be the drugs. So if its the drugs, why you grabbing the guns? In fact, I think the least you could do before you go gun grabbing is rule out the drugs.

          • BerwynBomber

            You say guns are a strawman and then you bring up mental illness? SMH.

            Do you know how impossible it would be to identify, treat and (most importantly) thwart the mentally ill from carrying out crimes?

            That’s like trying to stop “evil”.

            Plus, where do you draw the line? I suppose you could argue that any murderer is, to a degree, mentally ill. And you want shrinks to limit the prospective murderer’s future potential to act violently?

            Limiting the general citizenship’s access to some guns is the most effective way to address the problem. In fact, it is not even close.

          • willbest

            “Limiting the general citizenship’s access to some guns is the most
            effective way to address the problem. In fact, it is not even close.”

            cite your source so I can shred it, or retract.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Court of Common Sense?

          • willbest

            So you have no empirical evidence demonstrating that reducing guns GENERALLY, is the MOST EFFECTIVE way to reduce gun crime and its NOT EVEN CLOSE.

          • That Guy

            BECAUSE, YOU INBRED FUCK, THERE ARE LITERALLY MILLIONS OF MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER DONE HARM TO ANYONE. MENTAL ILLNESS IS NOT A FUCKING PROBLEM IF THE MENTALLY ILL PERSON DOESN’T HAVE A HIGH-POWERED RIFLE AND HUNDREDS OF ROUNDS OF AMMO.

            Jesus tittyfucking Christ, how fucking thick are you? Do you know anything about sampling on a dependent variable? How the fuck can you blame “mental illness” on one hand and trucks on the other when if trucks were so dangerous, and mentally ill people were so dangerous, we’d have an epidemic of mentally ill people driving trucks into crowds?

            IT’S THE FUCKING GUNS, STUPID! ***THAT*** is what all these shootings have in common. Not mental illness. GUNS.

            You want to debate the difficulty or constitutionality of reducing the number of guns in circulation, fine. That’s worth debating. But it’s sheer lunacy–downright idiocy–to argue that mass shootings are a mental health issue and NOT a gun issue.

          • willbest

            oh buzz stat words, you are scaring me.

            All traffic fatalities have a motor vehicles in common. All accidental hospital deaths have doctors in common. Its the fucking CARS, ITS THE FUCKING DOCTORS!

            you are pretty bad at this whole logic thing.

          • Cormonster

            That Guy needs to take a chill pill.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Look in the mirror before you rip somebody’s logic. Go through what you said – when sober – and see how it sounds.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They’re related. That’s fair to say, it’s just Will’s argument that guns aren’t the problem …. because trucks …. that does not hold.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Look Will, the rest of the planet thinks you’re all fucking crazy – the idea that I can walk into a Walmart, mentally ill or not, and buy … is it an AR-15 I saw an autistic kid buy for someone else as an experiment? …. it’s insane, and it’s all based on a false interpretation of the Constitution.

          • willbest

            So you are saying that people should have their rights taken away without due process. Got it.

            Look nobody wants guns in the hands of bad people, but you got to go after the fucking bad people, and you can’t shit all over the good people to do it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But mental Illness is caused by life, and parents, or having no parents. It’s too big of an issue to tackle when dealing with guns. You can change laws , you can’t fix minds by legislation, but you can make it harder for people to get their hands on guns.

            There are more guns and less murders in Canada. Start with that.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            There are not more guns in Canada than the US, even if you look at it on a per capita basis.

          • Irish Sweetness

            18th so far. It’s February. Let’s crank this bitch up to a thousand and make it legendary.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ll bet that’s a really conservative number. I’m not being sarcastic.

          • BerwynBomber

            Make some of them illegal, or certain owners owing them illegal and some of those horses will be rounded up.

          • willbest

            Only from people that respect the law. And those are the ones you don’t generally have to worry about.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ummmm no. Guns are confiscated everyday from citizens who are not respecting the law.

            Law enforcement does it all the time in regard to illegal contraband.

            Make some assault weapons illegal and they’ll start confiscating them.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The guy who gravely wounded Congresswoman, Gabby Giffords and killed several other here at a “Meet & Greet” a few years back was a KNOWN, complete, whack job. His family knew it and tried, but were not able, to get him off the street.

        • evantonio

          true. but even if there’s a minority report among the precogs, we won’t know about it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Philip K Dick, man. Minority Report.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      There’s the larger cultural problem of American schooling sucking. When 80% of the curriculum is useless, stupid, lies, or a distraction to keep people from knowing how corrupt their cities and institutions really are, what does one really expect?

      Americans are AWESOME considering how very few mass shootings there really are considering how fucked up the roots really are or have become.

      ” The odds of you being killed by a terrorist are practically zero! ” – George Carlin

      Most of the larger mass shootings could probably be prevented by having gun laws similar to Canada….but hey that would defeat the purpose of distracting us from stuff more fucked up than some idiot orphan kid shooting up his school because “nobody loves me” on Valentine’s Day.

      Mental illness is not the problem. That kid is NOT mentally ill. He’s an idiot and an asshole.. His parents died and there were people in this world that still took him in or he would be homeless or dead. Not everyone has/had it that lucky in this world.

      Stuff like this happening now and again is consistent with a reality where even an uneducated population gives their Congress abysmally low approval ratings during the last two or more generations.

      • SC Dave

        My daughter just commented over my shoulder about how sad it is that our society chooses to believe mental illness is the cause where simple evil will do.

        When I was a child, there were classes in school about civics and the duties of responsible citizens in a democracy. Something that the NEA has ruthlessly stamped out.

        • Irish Sweetness

          But you can diagnose a mental illness, diagnosing an arbitrary concept such as ‘evil’ ….

          But we’ll go round and round the bush on this … the point being that if a young man is mentally ill tot he point of dangerous violence or he’s ‘evil’ then it should still be a really difficult proposition to put a gun in his hand nonetheless.

          You are not Canadians, so don’t give yourselves the same access to guns, because it ain’t workin’ out.

    • SC Dave

      If you want to get me started, Sac, tell me why the evil cocksucker was not shot dead in the street like a dog.

      • Sactowns#1

        I agree Dave. I’m tired of seeing people if color killed for traffic violations or less while every white mass shooter is taken in without a scratch.

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s Mayock’s list of top 5’s at each position available in the draft. Have no idea if it’s good or bad but it’s a start.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916367/article/mike-mayocks-2018-nfl-draft-position-rankings

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

    Interesting conversation here today. Wish I knew which end was up on this stuff anymore. I own guns, they’re basic and used for hunting. I’d hate to give them up. But it’s become impossible to wrap one’s self in the constitutional right to own them anymore. It’s such a miserable discussion all the way around.

    I asked my Sophomore just now, if there is a kid in her school she could imagine doing this. She said there was. She said he’s been in every kind of trouble one can imagine in school and out of it. He was suspended last year for saying he was going to shoot up the school. He was allowed to return. They do not have metal detectors at my kids’ school, but apparently they do have a handheld one, and this particular kid has to get checked out with it everyday on the way in. But,…… the person doing the detecting has no means of response if he brings in a gun. He could simply shoot the school staffer.

    What a mess. It’s just a giant mess. I don’t want armed staff in the building. But I don’t want armed students in the building even more.

    I just want my kids out of high school and safely off to college where this issue seems to be far less frequent.

    • evantonio

      Do you own an AR15 or other semi-automatic “hunting” rifles?

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        No. I see no need. I have a 12 gauge and a 20 gauge Remington shotgun, a muzzle loading Thompson, and an 80 year old .22 rifle that was my wife’s great grandmothers for a competitive shooting team. Anybody that tells you they need an AR or anything of the sort for hunting is full of shit. Anybody that tells you they need an AR for defending themselves against the government is also full of shit.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Your daughter thinks there’s a kid at her school that could do this? Holy crap.

  • leftcoastdave

    I found this in a list of likely cuts and considered it interesting, given Nagy’s penchant for throwing to RBs.

    Come home to retire?

    “4) Matt Forte, RB, New York Jets:
    Still an asset as receiver, Forte could potentially find one more job
    next season, when he’ll turn 33. It just won’t be for the $4 million
    he’s currently set to make. Respect is due to the former second-rounder
    from Tulane, who has gained more yards from scrimmage (14,468) than
    anyone in the NFL since being drafted in 2008.”

    • willbest

      Forte is no longer a 3-down back. He is a 3rd down back, and we already have one of those. Sad truth is we don’t have room for him.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Yeah, I agree. He still caught 37 passes last year for about 8 yards per catch, but the Bears need to be thinking about the next two or three years and I can’t see Forte making sense.

        He started 13 or more games every season before last season. Last season he only started 4 games.

      • BearDown100393

        He’ll be a Patriot.

        • willbest

          They really like White. Unless he is an FA and wants too much money this season. I don’t see them picking him up either.

        • BenderMcLugh

          That’s where he should have gone

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, but if he wants one of those honorary things to retire a Bear, they should sign him. The man put it out there for the franchise, as the numbers confirm.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ll just throw that out there that we need to support my mindless call for an actual RB that can do it all. I know it’s insane to want a Bell, or a Gurley, it’s silly really, all that running and catching … but a girl can dream.

  • leftcoastdave

    Jack Brewer, a former NFL star and current member of the Parkland,
    Fla. community argued America’s youth needs a new foundation in the wake
    of a mass shooting at a local high school on Wednesday.
    “These kids need prayer and these kids need a new foundation
    besides social media, besides the music that they listen to that’s
    polluting their minds,” Brewer said Thursday on FOX Business’ “Mornings
    with Maria.”

    • BearDown100393

      Jack Brewer needs a CT scan.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I agree with the new foundation part but institutionalizing prayer would make kids even more cynical in a weird, weird world where half of parents are divorced and there is little extended family that does or can give a damn (or lives way too far away)…..The American Diaspora.

      The high school environment is even more weird and less natural than the modern American family.

      • leftcoastdave

        Where God is banned and “MFers” among the most used words in what is referred to as music.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Uh…I don’t think those songs are played over the P.A. system or the cafeteria jukebox.

    • CanadaBear

      So how are they going to work the prayers. Who goes first? Christians, Jews, Muslims? Can the atheists go to the library while all this praying is going on?

  • willbest

    Butch said CTE would ultimately kill football. I was dubious. However, with this development, I suspect he is right, and it might happen sooner rather than later.

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-concussion-blood-test-20180214-story.html

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I was pretty skeptical until I read the study’s results. Damn these are persuasive numbers.

      “In a clinical study conducted at several sites in Europe and North America, researchers gathered 1,947 individual blood samples from adults with suspected mTBI/concussion. They compared the blood test’s performance in predicting the need for a CT scan with actual CT scan results.

      The Brain Trauma Indicator was able to predict the presence of intracranial lesions on a CT scan 97.5% of the time and those who did not have intracranial lesions on a CT scan 99.6% of the time. The FDA judged that the test could reliably predict the absence of intracranial lesions, and predicted it would rule out the need for a CT scan in at least one-third of patients suspected of having mild traumatic brain injury.”

      • SC Dave

        Looks like a big money saver for the common man. Assuming, of course, the blood test is cheap. We sure as hell know CT scans are not.

        • leftcoastdave

          Not so sure a doc facing malpractice liability is going to say, “yea, that test says you’re ok, so we won’t do that CT scan to save the insurance company some money.” I would not want to be the guy with a guvamint doctor making that decision at the VA.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They have discovered a bio-marker for CTE. I posted it on here a few times. A couple of years before it’s FDA-approved.

  • BerwynBomber

    Bengals bungled this as I suspected they would at the time.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22456899/aj-mccarron-wins-grievance-cincinnati-bengals-unrestricted-free-agent

    Overestimated his market value. Rejected a fair number of offers. And now will be left with nothing.

    Bad Football Management 101.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The Bengals?!

      Paraphrasing Capt Louie Renault (Claude Rains) in CASBLANCA:

      “I’m shocked, SHOCKED, to find stupidity going on in here!”

      • BerwynBomber

        Rumor is that Ted Thompson was offered a pick for Brett Hundley on D2 of the 2017 draft.

        I’m betting the Cheese will regret not making that move too.

  • That Guy

    Here’s something to think about. The NRA gets a lot of money from gun manufacturers. The NRA has, through generous campaign contributions, helped elect critters to Congress who have legally shielded gun manufacturers from litigation over gun deaths. Thus providing manufacturers a ROI and incentive to give even more to the NRA.

    More guns get sold. Every year of the Obama administration, with every mass shooting, the NRA helped induce market hysteria, driving up gun sales in advance of “Obummer takin’ our guns away!”

    Now there are 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Nearly 300 million guns. Australia is a country a fraction the size of the USA, and when they effectively banned private ownership, Given that ~660K guns were voluntarily turned in in Australia, we’re talking about likely far less than 3 million guns in circulation (one figure I’ve seen estimated only 1/3 of people voluntarily turned in their guns through the main program). So America’s problem is 100x as many guns are in circulation, and so a ban would be that much harder to implement.

    In the end, the NRA has a vested interest in manufacturers selling more guns… if only to make it operationally that much harder to implement a ban. Not to mention the kickback the NRA gets from gun sales.

    • Irish Sweetness

      101 guns per 100 people in America. In Canada it’s 30 (I thought Moore said there were more guns in Canada?).

      Just figure out why there are more crazies in the USA and that will be a start.

      • CanadaBear

        Moore said long guns (basically hunting rifles). Tons of hunters in Canada. Owning a handgun in Canada is a pain in the ass with all the rules (I’m not complaining) and they make up a small portion of the guns in Canada vs handguns in the US.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, Larry Fitzgerald will be coming back to the Cardinals for a 15th season.

    Wonder how they convinced him to come back to a team with NO quarterbacks under contract and, currently, in a very weak salary cap position to land a Bonifide starting QB?

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