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Audibles: First-Round Projections for the Bears

| April 13th, 2018

The draft is coming and the mocks are rolling in. Here are some projections for the Bears’ first-round selection. As has been proven in the Ryan Pace era, the chances of these being correct are not good.


Scott Wright, NFLDraftCountdown projects Quenton Nelson:

The Bears wisely noted a weak crop of wide receivers in the draft and instead used free agency to provide young quarterback Mitchell Trubisky with some weapons to throw to.  Now they are free to shore up the offensive line with Nelson, who I feel is the best prospect in this class, regardless of position.  It also doesn’t hurt that Nelson’s college offensive line coach Harry Hiestand now holds the same position in the Windy City.

Nelson is a mountain of a man with outstanding strength and power, but also surprising athletic and nimble when pulling and blocking in space.  What really sets Nelson apart though is his aggressiveness, nasty on-field temperament and desire to finish blocks.  I don’t throw my “Elite” grade around lightly and this year Nelson and Penn St. RB Saquon Barkley were the only two prospects to earn that label.  In fact, Nelson is the best true offensive guard prospect I’ve seen in my two decades of covering the NFL Draft.

If Nelson is gone or they want to go in another direction, keep an eye on Virginia Tech OLB Tremaine Edmunds.  The young, athletic, rangy ‘backer has actually been compared to Bears great Brian Urlacher due to his well-rounded skill set and upside.


WGN’s Adam Hoge, in his Mock 3.0, agrees with me:

1st round, No. 8 overall — LB Roquan Smith (6-1, 236)

This one came down to either Smith or Virginia Tech linebacker Tremaine Edmunds, who may actually fit the Ryan Pace draft profile a little better. Edmunds is huge and freakishly athletic and it wouldn’t surprise me if he has Pace and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio drooling over him as a potential pass rusher, especially considering he’s only 19 years old. But there’s little on tape to suggest Edmunds is a sure-thing as a pass rusher, meaning he would be a high-upside project, not unlike Leonard Floyd was when he was drafted.

Let me be clear: I’m not opposed to that idea. Edmunds has a high-ceiling and could end up being even better than Bradley Chubb. But that’s a risky proposition.

Most project Edmunds as an enormous inside linebacker, which has brought on lofty Brian Urlacher comparisons. Sorry, but Edmunds doesn’t have Urlacher-like instincts. Not even close. In fact, that’s his biggest weakness and it’s a glaring weakness on tape.

Basically, this came down to either drafting a pass-rushing project in Edmunds, or a plug-and-play inside linebacker in Roquan Smith. Smith may be the smaller linebacker, but he has outstanding instincts and flies from sideline-to-sideline. He’s excellent in coverage and plays bigger than his actual size. He’s the type of high-character player who would quickly become a defensive captain and “quarterback” of the defense for years to come.

And let’s not overlook the inside linebacker position in terms of depth. Danny Trevathan and Nick Kwiatkoski are your starters right now and both have had issues staying healthy. John Timu and Jonathan Anderson return as backups for what already seems like their 18th season (it’s actually their fourth). And Trevathan is already 28 years old, which can’t be ignored. This is a position of need for the Bears and Smith is an outstanding player who could start Week 1.


Bucky Brooks of NFL.com says the Bears will add Denzel Ward:

Despite the Bears‘ focus on upgrading the offense earlier this offseason, adding an electric cover corner with exceptional speed, quickness and movement skills is a top priority for Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy.


Adam Rank mocks what the Bears SHOULD do and he believes it is Tremaine Edmunds:

You take Edmunds. It’s really the missing piece. Dang, though. While sweeping the AFC North was a lot of fun last year, had you not done that, you would have had a top-three pick. And seeing how your QB of the future is already in place, you could’ve loaded up on draft currency by trading down. Let’s not even think about that, though. Edmunds gives you your own version of Anthony Barr. Yep, I went there. (And I should be given credit for not being all, The Bears trade Jordan Howard and No. 8 to the Broncos to take Barkley. You’re welcome.)

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  • SC Dave

    Gotta agree with your first comment that they are probably wrong.

  • Doc Hamstring

    While I think Scott is usually really good with his player evaluations and better than decent with his team-need evaluations, his aim is often off because he can’t (and doesn’t) ever predict trades, which pitches the whole process into chaos.

    All it takes is one team to trade up ahead of the Bears and all bets are off.

    That said, if Nelson and Edmunds are both available when PaceBot is picking, all bets are off.

    • CanadaBear

      The flip side is trying to predict trades is like herding cats.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I’m thinking about the ending of “Babe” but the pig herds cats instead of sheep.

        So the pig becomes a NFL GM in “Babe 2: Pigskins.”

        • CanadaBear

          Sounds like a helluva pitch to me!

      • Yup, when I did mock drafts, I would ALWAYS include trades.

        Usu about 3 trades in the top 12ish, and almost always for QBs

        Always about 2-3 trades in the 20s and beyond, and usu for the same reason. Teams trying to sneak back into the first to steal a QB and get that 5th yr option.

        Or, some player who has fallen unexpectedly

        And there’s almost always furious trades at the top of RD 2 trying to get the last of the 1st RD tier.

        It’s almost formulaic, but the trick is guessing WHICH teams and WHERE.

      • Joecashflow

        Yeah, how much talk was there on this board for The Biscuit last year; did anyone call it ?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          none. That is why so many people got pissed off.

          • No one really called it, ESP the trade up.

            But Data wrote this whole article on how drafting a QB while in striking distance would be the logical thing to do. As the draft inched closer, I came to the same conclusion. I think my predicatlor said something like 70% so I was a bit more prepped, but nevertheless I still was a bit shocked due to the trade up.

            I thought Bisquit was the best QB from tape, but it was still a toss up what GMs thought. I thought he would go 8ish. I underestimated the NFL’s grade on him, and Watson and Mahomes for that matter. I thought Watson would drop to the teens, and Mahomes to the 20s.

            I’m always surprised at how teams are ultra aggressive for QBs even though I shouldn’t be by now.

            Edit. There were also some regs like Sac and Irish who thought Watson was the best QB, so they were more mad about selecting the WRONG QB, not so much about drafting QB in general. Sure there’s a lot of fans who prolly still feel that way.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            The trade up and the pick caught a lot of people by surprised. Unfortunately it also caught all the talking heads by surprise, which lead to a lot of articles written that attacked or disparaged the move. Unfortunately the mindless masses read those articles which only fueled the thoughts that Pace was bested by Lynch and Trubs was a bad pick. I just remember a lot of negativity around here for a couple weeks because of this.

            I was shocked by the trade up, but not really by the pick. As for draft picks in general, I never get to invested on possibilities, therefore I don’t get upset by a pick that isn’t who I thought. Draft picks are a crap shoot. We have all witnessed can’t miss players bomb out, and questionable picks become stars. I can understand a little disappointment from fans not getting a player you wanted but I don’t understand the hatred and vitriol over a pick, especially since we haven’t seen those players take a snap yet.

        • CanadaBear

          I thought they were going QB @ 3 but had no idea which QB. Certainly wasn’t predicting a move up one spot. Although, unlike all the posters that were in the Forty Whiners War Room, I didn’t get upset when Pace moved up.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “best guard prospect I’ve seen in two decades” piques one’s interest all right.

      • SC Dave

        I noticed that too, Irish.

      • They said that about Scherff, and they said that about Zach Martin.

        Granted, both are good, but every draft there’s “generational” players.

        I guess “generational” now means every 2 yrs.

  • Doc Hamstring

    One more thing. If Nelson is available, I’ve got to think Pace takes him. From what I understand, Long went ahead and had multiple surgeries. The neck will heal well and won’t be an issue. The ankle might take a while to rehab, and getting his labrum fixed isn’t a HUGE deal for an offensive lineman, but the sum total is that he won’t be lifting for a while, and he’ll have a complex and difficult rehab from those surgeries. Best case, he’s ready for camp, but while he might have less pain, he’s going to have to knock a LOT of rust off. More likely, they have to bring him on slowly while he gets back in football shape. That might take a while.

    So Nelson being available fills the hole that Long might not fill. If PaceBot likes his backups, that’s one thing. But Nelson steps in and can start while they ease Long back in. And let’s say Long DOES rehab fast and is ready to go on opening day. Then Whitehair slides from guard back to center and the line is stable. But if Long needs more time to rehab, and/or this is the beginning of chronic issues, Nelson is a surer bet than picking up some guy on Day 2 or 3 and letting HH coach him up.

    I’m going with Nelson, unless he’s picked earlier.

    This has been your Hamstring Minute™.

  • CanadaBear

    As always I’m OK with any of them as long as they don’t suck. My choices in order would be Nelson, Edmunds, Ward, Smith.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      those would be my choices as well

      A trade back and somehow getting Equanimeous st brown would be…interesting.

      As would Pace drafting a quarterback to trade. Awful GMs trying to save their jobs and fanbase by drafting a hyped college quarterback is going to be a continuous trend from now on.

      • CanadaBear

        I think drafting a QB in the first to save the GM’s job has been a thing for a long time. I’d rather they take a player at a PON at 8 than trade back just because it’s a surer thing than down the list a ways. Either way, I hope Pace nails it without any qualifiers.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Bears new Draft slogan. “Just Don’t Suck”

      • CanadaBear

        I like it! The Cubs motto was try not to suck, with the Bears it’s not an option!

        • BenderMcLugh

          and then they won, and it became “We did not suck”

          • CanadaBear

            They should be in the hunt again this year barring some crucial injuries. If Javy ever learns plate discipline, he will be scary.

          • SC Dave

            Well, for one year anyway.

          • CanadaBear

            I’d say being in the National League Championship series 3 years in a row would qualify for more than one year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ll be happy with either Nelson or Edmunds … OR … the Howard-Broncos trade and Barkley. He could be a great one, and we deserve a great back.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t think the Bears are gonna end up with Barkley. I would much rather keep Howard and get a pick for a PON. Nothing against Barkley. An upgrade at RB and no other pick is less appealing than Howard + a pick at PON.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          PON?

          • CanadaBear

            Position of need. Not to be confused with Poon!!!!!!!!!

      • Bear Instincts

        Is Howard not a great back?

        • Irish Sweetness

          No. Very good is not great.

          You’re not putting Jordan in the Jim brown-Earl Campbell, OJ, Walter, Bo, Dickerson category etc. Not after 2 years.

      • Why on god’s green earth would the Broncos pass on Barkley for Howard?

        No way unless we hand them the farm

  • BenderMcLugh

    Dez is going to be cut, didn’t think the ‘boys would go through with it. I think he lands in NE or Raiders.

    • FresnoBear88

      Be nice with us

      • CanadaBear

        He hasn’t been really good the last 3 years. Not sure he would be worth the aggravation. I guess it all comes down to salary.

        • AlbertInTucson

          They cut him because he still thinks he is the Red Hot Dez Bryant of 2012, 2013 and 2014, which he clearly is not.

          Then, he flatly refused to give the Cowboys any of the CAP relief that they desperately need.

          Dallas drops a hint and signs Hurns.

          Dez still won’t budge.

          Cowboys cut him loose and probably have a chance at Ridley in the draft.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Per NFL Radio, Dez was gonna be $16M against their CAP.

  • FresnoBear88

    Trading Howard is a fuckin dumbass decision. He’s the definition of what Chicago is. Winter comes and he’s the guy that will carry the rock.

    • CanadaBear

      100%

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Climate Change. It will be 70 degrees all winter in Chicago next year.

      • FresnoBear88

        Bullshit

        • AlbertInTucson

          Chicago’s lucky it’s 70 by the middle of May.

          Cold wave here in Tucson. Only 75 today.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Dez Bryant was just cut by the Cowboys. Sign him up.

    • CanadaBear

      His last 3 years haven’t been much to shout about.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        True but maybe the fans will quit bitching about not matching a contract for an average WR with a blown up knee.

        • CanadaBear

          Well, there is that!

      • BenderMcLugh

        I never watch the Cowboys if I can avoid it, not sure how he’s played but it seemed the relationship with Dak was strained at best. abcya

        • CanadaBear

          I don’t make a point to see the Cowgals but once the rainy season hits out here, I watch more NFL. And you know how it is, the Cowgals are a national game way more often than their record would dictate.

          • BenderMcLugh

            Truet

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        has he been injured?

        Because early in his career he seemed to have the tools to be like Terrell Owen.

        • CanadaBear

          3 years ago he missed 7 games and 2 years ago missed 3. Last year he started all 16.

    • Pace tends to stay away from primadonnas though Dez is a bit diff because all his teammates swear he’s the heart of that team.
      Shades of Bmarsh?

  • Doc Nitty

    mmmmmmmmbearssssss

    • CanadaBear

      Hey Doc, what’s shakin’ in your neck of the woods?

      • Doc Nitty

        As Norm from Cheers might reply, “A beer when I walk in the room”

        How y’all doin?

        • CanadaBear

          Really good. Just waiting for the rain to stop so I can get in some biking. I signed up for Ride Idaho in August so I’d better get in shape!

          • Doc Nitty

            Nice man.

            How those knees holdin up?

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Massage therapy is always a good practice in these instances.

          • CanadaBear

            We haven’t figured out if we are going early or staying late when we go to Ride Idaho. When it gets closer we should have a better idea. I’m open to either if one time frame works better than the other for you. The knees are doing good. I’m back to walking the dog for an hour, among other things. Gotta love that! Glad you’re still in love even if it isn’t as blissful!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Suck on the nipple part – it draws out the poison.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Suckin’ diesel, brah!

      • Juan Stone

        His wine skin? He he

    • Irish Sweetness

      Boy-EEEEEEEEE!

      Shine on, man. Rock n roll.

      • Doc Nitty

        What up bleed?

        How bout that Pink Floyd box set eh?

  • John F

    I still think Pace is gonna trade up in the first round and take a punter……….

  • AlbertInTucson

    Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller just starting their Mock Draft (#4) on MOVIN’ THE CHAINS ON NFL Radio on SiriusXM, Ch 88.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Wow. Should the Bears even consider picking up Dez? Would they spend the money, do they even have this kind of money? I think he still has some serious gas in the tank and I could see him and Trubisky connecting for some big plays.

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/short-meeting-cowboys-receiver-dez-bryant-released-163904748.html

    • Two questions with him.
      1. Distraction?
      2. Price?

      Pace really cleared the locker room stench from the Trestman era, and in spite of me thinking Fox sucked balls, I give him credit for running a tight locker room, and I would guess Pace doesn’t want to risk it esp w a young QB.

      Dez doesn’t really fit the Pace profile.

      However, when he let go of Slauson he did sign Sitton.
      Maybe he does the same again – let’s Cam go, upgrades with Dez.

      But not sure if Pace is willing to pay the mula.

      I could see a team like the Foreskins signing him though

      • AlbertInTucson

        Dez was due $12M this season from Dallas.

        He refused to take less from the Cowboys.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Does a young, developing QB need a Diva/Distraction Wideout?

      • Irish Sweetness

        You can add #3 to the questions … catching footballs.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Kirwan is speculating that he could be well-motivated to go to the Redskins (who need a receiver) Giants (Who could dump Marshall) or even the Eagles and take revenge on the Cowboys twice a year.

      • I would agree, esp the Foreskins who aren’t shy about doling out $
        Gmen might too. Eli’s last run, or a good WR for a QB they draft.

        FAs seem like they stay in divisions.

    • Big Mike

      Old and slow

    • SC Dave

      no

    • ButtonShoes

      ……No.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nein, danke.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Jim Miller’s #1 overall for the Browns: QB- Josh Allen.

    #2, Miller predicts the Colts swap with the G-men and take Baker Mayfield.

    #3 (Kirwan): Jets take Sam Darnold.

    #4 (Kirwan): Browns take Bradley Chubb.

    #5 (Miller): Broncos – Sequon Barkley

    #6 (Miller): Giants – Quentin Nelson.

    #7 (Kirwan): Tampa – Trades down to 11 with Miami which takes Josh Rosen.

    #8 (Kirwan): Da Bears- Roquan Smith.

    • I’m not sure why MIA would trade up before us. It’s not as if the Bears are drafting Rosen.

      That’s why I think we’re a good trading partner for teams moving up (though by that logic, the 9ers aren’t drafting a QB behind us either)

      • AlbertInTucson

        It’s just a mock. I have a hard time seeing Allen taken at #1 overall.

      • MIA at 11, ARI at 15, and NE with 2 picks in the 20s are all potentially looking at moving up for a QB. Who knows where that happens though.

        • AlbertInTucson

          What?!

          You think Arizona still needs a QB?

          TC’mon, Professor. They signed Bradford and Glennon.

          (Yes. That’s Sarcasm).

        • The Bills also have picks #12 and #22 to move up

          • Irish Sweetness

            Browns might part with 4. Salaries. We could get Barkley if they pass on him at 1.

    • ButtonShoes

      That is one dumb mock draft. Not surprising considering it’s Jim Miller.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If we draft a linebacker the size of a safety ….

      • I’m not thrilled about Smith either.
        He seems like a situational 3rd down LB (or nickle LB).

        Yes, they say we’re in nickle on like 60% of plays, but still a top 8 pick should be a 3 down type of guy.

        Smith to me seems more of a WIll LB in a Lovie D.

  • Billionaires knock up Playboy models and pay them off for abortions.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-negotiated-1-6-million-settlement-for-top-republican-fundraiser-1523638726

    So really – billionaires do the same thing that regular people do, it’s just that the women are much much hotter.

    • SC Dave

      Money talks

  • Bear Instincts
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Good signing.

    • BenderMcLugh

      Nice, 6-foot-2, 217 pounds

      • SC Dave

        Are you serious?

        • BenderMcLugh

          Hahaha beastly

          • SC Dave

            I just linked he vs. Bellamy in this sub-thread. But given that Fowler is a lesser WR than Bellamy, at least he brings nothing to special teams.

    • SC Dave

      Oh Jebus… stop. Are you working on emulating the tards on WCG?

      Like you said, Bennie Fowler?!?

      Four seasons, and his numbers are nothing compared to Meredith.

      • But he has two knees like Marquis Wilson!

        • SC Dave

          Or, shit… what was that guy’s name?

          • SC Dave

            …. Joe Anderson!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            We should make a Top Trumps game of Ex-Bear receivers.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The fucking second coming that I had absolutely no part of.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        If he makes the team I bet he has a better year than Cam does.

        • SC Dave

          lol…. “if” he makes the team…

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Yeah “if”. Because he is probably signed to around the vet min. Not everyone is going to be a starter and not everyone signed is going to make the team.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s tipping a non-runner.

    • SC Dave

      Downgrade from Bellamy at WR, but has the benefit of bringing ZERO to specials. Great signing.

      Pace is an IDIOT when it comes to WR.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • That Guy

      How many snaps did he take last year? How many was he likely to take this year? Reduce that second number by 1/4.

      • willbest

        If you need PEDs to hold a clipboard its time to consider coaching.

    • hopefully he didn’t mentor Trub on how to not get caught on PEDs

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        got to keep some secrets to yourself.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      he seemed kind of too jacked talking to Trubisky last year.

      Or at least on Four Lokos.

  • SC Dave

    Langford waived. Shocking!!! And some of you wanted him to start in front of Howard.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      and you wanted to keep Forte.

    • willbest

      Grasu and White shouldn’t make the team either leaving only Goldman and Amos from that draft class.

      • SC Dave

        Pretty sad, eh?

        Let’s hope it was Emery’s scouts to blame.

        • Bear Instincts

          That’s the story and Pace is sticking to it

      • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

        Draft retention and success have almost no correlation despite popular opinion.

        https://amp.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/6d4w8a/draft_pick_retention_by_nfl_teams_201116/

        • willbest

          i don’t even really care about that draft. Pace had only what he had in his brain from the saints, and emery’s notes plus 2 months of leg work. its a tall order for anyone

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            That chart is pretty surprising. I would have thought draft retention is a major indicator of current success.

            I couldn’t find a more recent example. But some interesting nuggets in there. The Bears for that 2011-2016 period, tied for 10th in the league at retaining their draft picks. The best, was the Bengals. The Bears were actually a tick better than the Packers witch is really surprising given the common association with the Pack and their “homegrown talent”. The Jags have zero draft picks left on the team from 2011-2013. The Eagles had one of the lowest rates for that time frame. The Lions have actually done quite well in this regard.

            As I started looking it over, I began to think it really does all boil down to having a young, stud QB. But that doesn’t explain the Lions or the Jags for opposite reasons. The Eagles after 16 blew up with Wentz, which lends itself to that angle. But they then go on and win a title with Foles.

            I guess it just points more to the fact that any given GM has to maintain steady progress and consistency on all fronts of player acquisition and development, coaching excellence, team chemistry, etc. Then, you gotta get really lucky if all of that’s in order.

      • Big Mike

        Can’t say that about White. Not enough of a track record. White/Bellamy? Could be a race, White could blow him out. Just can’t say.

        • willbest

          pretty sure we can. bellamy has a better catch rate, gets better separation and balls on ST. He has done this in nfl live play. White has stunk. not saying josh is anything other than a #4 or 5 WR, but white has done nothing in his limited live nfl play to convince anyone he belongs on an nfl roster. And i say that not wishing him ill, but the only reason he makes the team this year is a psychology associated with sunk cost.

          Now it would be wonderful if he all of a sudden showed up at camp blowing past fuller, hauling in 80% of the balls, but it would also be nice if Howard turned into Hunt now that nagy is here. The latter is far more likely

          • Big Mike

            He’s not a better athlete. Book is still open on White. You can make a projection, sure. If I’m keeping a 5th or 6th guy, I’m taking the guy with more upside. Case closed.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Hard to say. The athlete Kevin White was when he was drafted might well be long gone. The first leg injury concerns me more than the others. The shoulder blade probably doesn’t amount to anything big picture.

            But when he did get back on the field, I was surprised he didn’t look a lot faster. So who knows. I’d keep him around at a minimum until final cuts are made just to see if those physical traits are still in there or not. If they don’t show up, I’d let him go. We at least know Bellamy can get free in the back end. Too bad about the hands though. I gotta think opposing DBs know to leave him be, and not risk a pass interference penalty deep with Bellamy. Play clean and hope he drops it.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know either, but you know who agrees with me? Ryan Pace. Maybe he wasn’t fully healed? We’ll see. He doesn’t need to take the top off the field. Let’s see what his functional speed is. My only point is, nobody knows. Can’t write him off.

          • willbest

            The only thing anybody can assert about Ryan Pace is that he believes Kevin White belongs on the 90-man roster. Which makes sense considering they have to pay him anyway.

          • willbest

            Bellamy’s hands are better than Kevin Whites. In fact, Bellamy’s hands aren’t much worse than Allen Robinson.

            Robinson – 52.6% catch, 14.1 yards per reception
            Bellamy – 52.1% catch, 14.2 yards per reception
            White – 52.5% catch, 9.2 yards per reception

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Wrong.

          • willbest

            In fact, those are their stat lines. So I don’t know what to tell you.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            I guess then you plan to disregard the fact they both catch at a higher percentage rate, though minuscule. And apparently we’re throwing out sample size as a factor.

            The thrust of your post, is to compare the receiving ability of Kevin White and Josh Bellamy,to that of Allen Robinson. So you’re either trolling, or far more stupid than I thought.

            I’m going to go with trolling, because you don’t seem stupid. You just like being contrarian.

          • willbest

            Well the theory being that longer passes are more difficult to catch. So its not that White’s catch percent is so low its that his yards per reception are rancid at that catch %. The mid/short game needs to be over 65%. If you are going deep a lot which Bellamy and Robinson are, then throw accuracy becomes an issue.

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Then it’s surprising with Bellamy’s hand being equal to Robinson’s he’s only mustered 882 yards in 59 games while Robinson has 2848 yards in 43 games. You’d think they’d be a little closer than that. He’ll, even Kevin White averages 30% more yards than Bellamy in the less than 5 games he’s played.

          • Fake news!
            I actually think Bellamy looked a tad better catching last season, but who knows…Kellen Davis was a specimen who never learned to catch

          • willbest

            Like I said. I like the guy, but I am not going to be annoyed if he goes. I am concerned that, objectively, he is the 3rd best WR option on the team right now.

            I thus find it difficult to believe we aren’t drafting a WR with one of our top 2 picks. But as noted above, Pace has earned some trust in his drafting.

          • willbest

            Your statement is nonsensical.

            White has had 3 significant injuries. And isn’t in the proper mental state. His athleticism was also only ever freakish against college competition. He looked pedestrian on the NFL field.

            Bellamy has done more with less opportunity. And look, I am not going to lose any sleep over Bellamy not making this roster. I don’t consider him special. But he is a grinder and demonstrably competent in one phase of football. And if you are comparing their NFL performances, White can’t hold Bellamy’s jockstrap.

            I get wanting White to live up to his idealized potential. But stop pretending that after 3 years of not doing anything he is superior to all the people that fill out the bottom of the roster.

            He doesn’t get the benefit of being a rookie this year, and while his ~$2 million is guaranteed it is no longer significant enough to merit wasting a spot on the 53 on him.

          • Big Mike

            Just said Book is open. You rush to judgement and make pronouncements like you’re the Bears team doctor. Or that you have the same information as Pace. So I just want to be a little more optimistic, that Nagy can get positive contributions out of White. It takes zero insight or analysis to state that Kevin White might not ever be the same, or maybe he never was. He ran 4-5 routes at WVU. He might have been a disappointment even if he had not gotten hurt. We’ll have to see. I for one am hopeful that he has us forget Bellamy, Meredith, Inman, Wheaton and whoever else pretended to be an NFL WR for the Bears last year

          • willbest

            Part of the problem is that you asserted White could blow Bellamy out of the water. That is impossible since White doesn’t do ST. Bellamy more or less has the #5 WR spot locked down because Pace tendered him 1.9 million. He is one of our 2018 Gunner baring injury or some stupefying camp performance by some late rounder/UDFA

  • willbest

    “Step One: Giants sign Dez Bryant.
    Step Two: NFL and Giants agree to put a camera in their WR room.
    Step Three: Ratings gold!” – Jeff

    Dez, ODB, and BMarsh… I would pay $500 to be a fly on that wall.

    • SC Dave

      I wouldn’t. Maybe $.50

      • Bear Instincts

        5 cents is more like it

  • Are we there yet?

    • CanadaBear

      Not even close. You’ll know we’re there when people are arguing like hell over the last couple of roster spots!

      • No Bears off-season is complete without signing a small white UFDA to cheer for.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          BRAVERMAN!!!!!

          • Who was the white WR before – Gentry?

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Mike Haas

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            The Great Dane! Dane Sanzenbacher

          • There ya go. Sanzenbacher!

          • Irish Sweetness

            If Denis Gentry is white then I’m a zulu.

        • BerwynBomber

          Hell, Waddle transformed his gig into a lifetime job.

    • BerwynBomber

      As usual the off-season all comes down to McManis.

    • SC Dave

      Where is there?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Here.

  • BerwynBomber

    Yesterday Bears announced that players are to report to Bourbannais 7/19. Camp starts 7/20.

    • I think teams with new coaches get a head start on camp.

      • CanadaBear

        + the Bears are playing in the HOF game.

        • I’m actually looking forward to the HOF this yr.
          Lach might not be the best speaker and a bit of a jabroni, but he’s one of my fav all time players, and be cool to see him enter the HOF.

          And enter it with hair!

          Wonder if some of the other Bears will be there like Hester or Briggs. Or in an awesome surprise guest, MB.

          • BerwynBomber

            Total jabroni, and if his bust has a rug on it too … smh …

          • HOF should do like a chia pet bust of Lach in that case. The kids can water it and make his rug grow

          • SC Dave

            Urlacher has already said his bust will be bald.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll bet he fought it though ….

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve read Briggs and a bunch of them are going. Party in Canton!

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            will Lach bring Paris Hilton?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ours was weeks ago. The Bears were first back.

    • willbest

      do you mean 6/19? the hof game is August 2nd, 7/19 would give them about 7 practices to install a new offense

  • ButtonShoes

    Well, well. Cubs are down 10-3 going into the 7th inning today. Nagy sings the stretch. Cubs score 11 runs in the next 2 innings to win the game 14-10.

    OK, Matt. This is the first time I’ve been genuinely impressed by you.

  • I often wonder if there’s a “revised” new draft chart somewhere. Anyone have a link for it?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/14/bill-belichick-draft-trade-chart-has-changed-but-most-teams-are-on-the-same-page/#comments

    I just go by this one, but I don’t know if it’s the old school one, or the newer one accounting for the rook wage scale

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

    • On a side note , it makes sense that teams with less draft picks value their picks more, and as such, it would cost more for other teams to deal with them.

      Something to keep in mind since we’re lacking a 3rd.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Lacking a 3rd *unnecessarily*. Crucial.

        • leftcoastdave

          Good thing that horse died long before being periodically disinterred for another beating.

        • CanadaBear

          How did you get into the Forty Whiners War Room that night?

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Unknowable.

  • leftcoastdave

    When all has been said and done . . . . . .

  • CanadaBear
  • catfish44

    roquan smith. #8.

    • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

      6’-1” / 225lbs. That’s not big enough.

      • Agree. Dont think he fits the Pace or Fangio mold.
        We need an OLB to replace McPhee. He was lik e 6’4 270 w long levers.
        I suppose Smith can be the ILB but do we really need TWO LBs who struggle vs the run? (Floyd is underweight and can get washed out).

        • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

          I don’t have my eye on any particular players. I don’t watch enough college ball to know. But I don’t want the 8th pick to be that small at that position. I can see granting some wiggle room and trading off for instinct and “x factor”, but that’s too much weight and height to give up at that position.

          My hope for this draft is Pass Rush, OL, WR in the 1st, 2nd, 4th. I think it’s possible to get quality starters in those rounds year in and year out at those positions. It just so happens that lines up with Bears needs this year.

          • I watched Smith’s tape. He has everything you want, except size , length.
            But those matter for 3 down LBs. Smith was able to get away w alot in college because of his speed and intincts but at the NFL level everyone is fast. And smart teams attacked Smith running straight at him. I saw one play where Mayfield flipped the run play to go straight at Smith . The OG was coming up on Smith, and Smith knowing who couldnt shed a 320 OG tried to go around him from the inside (instead of outside contain and shed).

            OG gobbled him up, the RB kicked it outsude. Huge gain the S had to save.

            I know it’s only one play, but if Mayfield sees it, those NFL OCs and QBs will see it too, and it might be too much of a liabillty

          • Irish Sweetness

            “He has everything you want, except size , length.”

            We’re done. Pace cannot seriously be considering Smith at #8.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Floyd can put weight on, Smith cannot, and he can’t get taller.

    • Juan Stone

      “Rock On”! I likery.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Too small. Terrible pick @ 8.

      • catfish44

        like you’re some expert. lol.

  • Big Mike

    Is it draft day yet? I don’t think I can take another week of draft speculation. Although I don’t know what’s worse, Draft speculation or forecasting winners and losers of the draft. At least after the draft, you can dig into video of your guys.

    • leftcoastdave

      Should definitely be a poll topic or two. First, will Pace trade up, down or stay put?
      Second, what do you want him to do, trade up, trade down or stay put?
      Third, if he stays put or trades down, who does he take?

      • Big Mike

        Exactly the type of speculation I am so over. Because no matter what the Bears do, we have a ½ dozen people on the blog who will hate it. (doesn’t matter what he does). Guys like me, might hate it for for anywhere from a minute to a day, but will find a way to be optimistic about it by Monday. 🙂

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Those half dozen people on the blog know that Pace has a long history of making bad moves. For instance, in kindergarten Pace traded a Little Debbie Swiss Roll to a classmate named Johnny for what he thought was a homemade chocolate chip cookie. Unfortunately little Ryan did not do his homework on the deal because what he thought were chocolate chips were actually raisins. A few years later another boy named Johnny swindled him again. This time Pace traded an autographed Ken Griffey rookie card for a couple of counterfeit cards of Mark Mcgwire and Sammy Sosa. Then we all know what happened last year with another trade with someone named John. History repeats itself over and over again.

          • Big Mike

            They just KNOW this because they are extra informed 🙂

        • willbest

          But you aren’t over complaining about the speculation

          • leftcoastdave

            No, I think he’s just “over” the speculation. Its the whining he appears to hate.

          • Big Mike

            I know. Like a mosquito drawn to the mosquito zapper.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We didn’t need to move up for Trubs. That cost us. Why move up when you’re okay where you are? #8 is fine. If he trades up for Barkley I’m good with that. If he trades up for Nelson I want his head. Stay put.

    • I think DBBers are settled pretty much.
      Nelson, Edmunds are the preferred choices.
      Could live w others like Smith, Ward, James, Fitzpatrick or even McGlitchy

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I want that unknown kid from Kalamazoo State.

        • Haha. It’ll be mighty hard for Pace to piss off fans this time around. For one, last draft has earned him some rope. Fans lost their minds w the Trub trade up followed by some TE from Devry , a midget from who knows and FS w an metal leg for good measure, but those picks look good a yr later.

          Also, there’s literally like 5-6 players we can draft who are graded similarly AND fill a need. I can even see a NT like Vea being drafted.

          I think one of the few players who can bring out the Bull Booers is ptolly Ridley esp now that Allen is on board.

          Or if Pace drafts uhm Mayfield…

          • willbest

            Well the top 4 picks showed promise as rookies, in a foxball setting. So there is a lot of optimism that he has a sound draft strategy even if his tactics are a bit of a head scratcher. His FA though is a roller coaster ride. Which is odd considering he grew up on the pro scout side of things.

          • Yeah, couldnt agree more. That’s why i say Pace is an avg GM as of now. If i commend Pace for the draft I sound like a homer. When i hate his FA moves i sound like a hater.
            Truth is Pace is both. He can find guys like Hicks or Howard, but then turn around and cut Sitton, Cam and bring in Grasu, Glennon, Sims, Demps…

            At some time i would like to compare how Pace stacks up against Angelo in his first 3 yrs.

            The results might be surprising i suspect

          • Cam Meredith >/= Jerry Rice

            Angelo got Grossman and Lovie. Pace got Trubisky and now Nagy. This is where the rubber hits the road. If Nagy and Trubs can’t win games, and lots of them, then Pace is no good.

          • That’s what it’ll come down to.
            Angelo also got Cutler, but could never move on from Lovie.
            We were like the Bengals now just perpetually stuck in neutral.

            But like u say. It’s Nagy-Bisquit or bust for Pace.

          • SC Dave

            I’d say it’s closer to reverse than neutral since Lovie was fired.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How great a GM do you have to be to ‘find Hicks though – his CV is there for all to see? I fucking drafted Howard a pick before Pace did! He overpaid for his QB when all he had to do was sit there and do nothing. His new coaching hires are interesting, Fangio is depressing.

            But as a GM? The jury is in, he’s had his three years, that’s all I give anyone. He has failed. Let’s see what happens this year – we always will – but his record is miserable.

          • CanadaBear

            Hicks was available to be signed by 32 teams and Pace signed him. Give him credit. WTF does picking Howard in some FF bullshit equate to Howard being a no-brainer pick. Also, this tired BS that you know Pace could have gotten MT at 3 is just worn the fuck out. Only the people in the their war room know and you weren’t there. So Pace had 3 years to do a total rebuild and it’s over? Really?

          • leftcoastdave

            He was clearly drafting for this new offense. Shaheen has the potential to be many things as a TE with a continuum from blocking to receiving from Simms to Shaheen to Burton. Similarly he got Tarik the Joker who will be utilized in so many more ways that under Fox.
            Pace had a plan.

          • willbest

            I think Cohen was just an athletic freak too good to pass up. He can’t block, which limits his versatility and makes it harder to disguise what you are doing. But he is so talented that you just find ~10 times a game to get the ball into his hands to see what he can do with it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Which the Bears have not done …. we didn’t use Cohen last year.

          • CanadaBear

            Uh, you might want to look at the link. 87 carries, 53 recs, 2 passes, 29 punt returns and 26 kick returns.

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoheTa00.htm

          • Irish Sweetness

            53 receptions surprises me. 1 TD? 87 rushes tells the story. If you’re a running back, 87 rushes is not a lot.

          • CanadaBear

            He’s not going to get 200-300 rushes in a season, ever. He had 197 touches last year according to these stats. How is that not using Cohen?

          • Irish Sweetness

            But everyone in the world has potential. Potential means nothing. Shaheen was a mistake, a big one in the second round. A massive, massive reach.

          • leftcoastdave

            How about if he takes any WR at 8?

          • That’s the 1 pick i think will make fans mad (hence Ridley) esp since he let Cam walk for chump change.

            I guess if he drafts a HB not named Barkley

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      • Big Mike

        And who were we settled in on last year? I bet it wasn’t Trubisky. But I hear you. We’ll see. I’m stuck at my desk with my CFO finishing taxes and my ADD is sending me bouncing around the web looking for a distraction.

      • BenderMcLugh

        Pretty much

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          yup

    • FresnoBear88

      I’m still laughing my ass off about how Jeff says a GM texted him about the ODB situation. I can wait some more he made my spring with that bullshit

    • AlbertInTucson

      “…another week…”?

      Hah!

      You WISH!

      Try closer to TWO!

    • leftcoastdave

      Yup. And the dude was packing, unless it was a throw down like they carry in LA.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Taps” for “Gunny”, R. Lee Ermey.

    Done at 74.

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