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Audibles: Enthusiasm Grows, Cutler Stars, Gabriel Catches & More!

| July 13th, 2018

Three Thoughts on the Bears

  • Mentioned it on KFAN in Minnesota earlier in the week but I can’t remember this much enthusiasm and excitement around the Bears heading into a season. This might be the most I’ve seen since 2005 – the Year of the Blog – and that season’s optimism seemed to dwindle with Rex Grossman’s summer injury. (I wrote and produced my first play that year so it took me a month to get sad.) The Bears don’t believe they’re going to be 8-8 this season. They believe they’ll be playing football in January.
  • Had drinks with an NFL GM Monday afternoon and he summed up the Bears off-season perfectly: “They did everything right. But right in the spring isn’t always right in the fall.”
  • This is more anecdotal than anything else but the player other fans and media covering other teams keep bringing up to me is Anthony Miller. There’s a real buzz about him in league circles. I’d still keep expectations low for any rookie wide receiver entering a new offense with this many pass-catching options but many others are not, including Miller himself.

Jay Cutler: Television Star

What makes me laugh is that many of us knew Cutler’s personality was incredible. It just wasn’t a Peyton-Manning-endless-quarterback-cliches-that-talking-heads-love personality. He has no patience for morons and apparently this program is chock full of them. (I will never watch a single episode of it on TV. Ten second clips are just fine.)


Bernie LaReau Passed Away

From a profile by Jeff Bonty in Kakakee’s Daily Journal:

Bernie LaReau spent a lifetime as an athletic trainer for several professional teams, most notably the Chicago Bears.

Not bad for a farm boy from Beaverville who graduated with a degree in accounting from St. Joseph College in Rensselaer, Ind.

The St. Anne High School graduate spent more than 52 years as a trainer for several professional teams.

“I’m real happy the way things turned out,” LaReau said in a 2011 interview with the Daily Journal.

LaReau passed away July 5 in San Antonio. He was 81.

After his years in professional sports, LaReau came back to Beaverville in 1998 and worked for Riverside Medical Center and Orthopedic Associates of Kankakee. He worked for 11 years as a substitute teacher and athletic trainer for several area high schools, including Central, St. Anne and Momence.

He capped it off with St. Anne’s boys basketball team winning the Class 1A championship in 2008.

“He took great care of our kids,” St. Anne coach Rick Schoon told the Daily Journal on Monday. “He was a really nice gentleman.”

LaReau did two stints with the Chicago Bears and was beloved by those he worked with in the organization. Rest in peace, sir.


Taylor Gabriel…Look Out

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A post shared by Taylor Gabriel (@turbotaylor) on


Best Golf? Links!

  • Adam Jahns provides, unsurprisingly, the best profile of Matt Nagy thus far.
  • There are some funny photos of Staley in this collection from the PNC Chicago Bears 5K. (Check out #2) This seemed like an amazing event and I wish I was in Chicago to be part of it.
  • There are two “blueprints” folks point to when trying to project Bears success in 2018: last year’s Rams and last year’s Eagles. Trey Burton, part of that Eagles blueprint, seems to find the similarities there striking. From the CBS piece“We were picked to finish last place in the division last year in Philly,” Burton told told SiriusXM NFL Radio on Monday. “There are a ton of similarities. You look at Philly two years ago, the majority of our games were lost by less than a touchdown. If you look at Chicago last year, there’s a good amount of those games that they lost. It’s just about getting over that hump. You have to be able to win close games. There’s so many small details that happen in order for you to lose those games.” 
  • Jordan Howard thinks Mitch Trubisky has “more command of the team this year”. Well, yea. This time last year the Bears went out of their way to bury Trubisky on the depth chart and kept him buried there despite everything they saw on the practice/preseason fields. Trubisky has command now because Trubisky has the team.

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  • SC Dave

    On your three points, I think second is first. What’s right in spring needs to hold up in the fall. As I’ve said repeatedly, “show me”. Especially Trubisky.

    On MIller, I’ve already stated my opinion that the guy will be very good. So I guess I count at one of those fans.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Taylor…jesus.

    (happy Friday the 13th)

    Red Hot Chili Peppers “Can’t Stop”

  • ” It’s just about getting over that hump. You have to be able to win close games. There’s so many small details that happen in order for you to lose those games.” – Burton

    Ex-fucking-actly.

    That was my biggest gripe about Fox. Couldn’t make the little adjustments to pull out close games. Like he was content with barely losing.

    Fuck that.

    New coach in town. No more zombies or half-time throwing in the towel, and hopefully no more plagues.

    Game on.

    • Big Mike

      Fox was proven to be both over the hill and over matched. Somewhere in the Peyton Manning years, he forgot how to win a game.

      • Yeah, I think that article on Fox about why Elway fired him was spot on. When they lost the championship game, Elway got pissed off and Fox said something along the lines of, “Isn’t getting here enough?”

        No, it isn’t.

        I think Fox got a health scare and re-evaluated his life and prioritized other things over football.

        That’s good for his life, but probably not for his team.

        For better or worse, HCs are obsessed micromanaging aholes who will skip their first born’s marriage for a win.

    • CanadaBear

      You weren’t a fan of keeping it close so the final score wasn’t embarrassing? Both of us wanted him gone after year two. I was convinced he was coming back for year 3 (whether we wanted him to, or not).

    • AlbertInTucson

      For me, Fox will NEVER live down the end of the SF game last season.

      • CanadaBear

        If the Fudgie game after the bye didn’t seal his fate, that game did.

        • SC Dave

          I think that Packer loss was the final nail

        • AlbertInTucson

          It was the SF game that said, “Meh, no longer really interested in coaching.”.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Taylor Gabriel highlights (5 minutes)

    • SC Dave

      Five minutes to show eight plays… editing needs help.

      • Big Mike

        in the clip above, I’m not all that happy about him running routes on a broken up dirt/grass patch of land.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          you know that’s how a lot of these guys got to the NFL. By being fucking dogs.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          …. I originally thought he was at Soldier Field. I guess he is just practicing for playing in Chicago.

  • CanadaBear

    A little something to get you excited for the season.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-vs-packers-great-way-to-open-season/

    • EnderWiggin

      Love the Bear/Packer hype. That first sentence really got my attention though – “The Bears start training camp in Bourbonnais in eight days.”

      • CanadaBear

        Nice to read something positive that doesn’t sound like a wish or a left-handed compliment.

  • CanadaBear

    Getting a kick out of the NFL sticking it to T.O. He will be persona non grata at the induction ceremonies. T.O. definitely belongs in the HOF but his ego just won’t let him enjoy the honor. What a tool!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      That’s petty. They should announce him and play this highlight.

      https://youtu.be/NTOn8rwqEqg?t=11921

      • CanadaBear

        Can I give you about 1,000 likes for that one??????

        • AlbertInTucson

          He just validated the choice of HOF voters who passed on him as a first-ballot selection because of his attitude which, while it is NOT supposed to be a consideration, we all damn well know that it IS.

          Well, all except T.O..

          • CanadaBear

            I have no issue with him being in the HOF, he clearly deserves it. I’m always amazed when adults are so clueless about their behavior/consequences.

          • Yeah, I agree. He was a 1st ballot all the way. The media can be petty too, and the HOF was never supposed to be about them getting their jollies off.

            Maybe they can put TOs bust in the restroom, right next to OJs.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            There are a lot of guys that deserve 1st ballot that did not get it, and a lot of guys that did not deserve 1st ballot and got it. He just needs to quit his bitching.

          • The WR line is long, so I can sorta get that, but TO was a force with numbers and playoffs to bout.

            OTOH, Dungy was a nice media guy, so he got in when he shouldn’t have.

          • CanadaBear

            If I was a beat man for one of T.O.’s teams and had been treated like shit, no way I’d vote for him that first year. Fuck him, that’s the way it goes if you’re an asshole. Multiply that by how many teams T.O. played for + numerous other voters that weren’t impressed and too bad, so sad. Honestly, if I had a vote I wouldn’t have voted for him that first year just because a HOF’er doesn’t cause so much discord in their teams

          • Johnnywad

            “Adults”. Always a very subjective notion.

      • antityco

        Nicely done.

    • The HOF should make a TO Baby Blimp like the UK with Trump.

      That would be the ultimate troll.

      Not a bust, just a big ass TO Baby Blimp in diapers lol

  • Favorite 3 good-or-better Bears: Tillman, Singletary, Fencik

    Favorite 3 mediocre-or-worse Bears: Miller, Wetnight, Zorich – Jeff
    ———

    Favorite 3 Great Bears: Sweetness, Punk QB, Lach

    Favorite 3 good-or-better Bears: Tillman, Hester, MB

    Favorite 3 mediocre-or-worse Bears: Waddle! Mannely? Joe Anderson

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      3 great: Sweetness, Lach, Singletary
      3 good or better : Hester, Tillman, MB.
      3 mediocre or worse: Forte, Orton, Alex Brown.

      • But Forte is at the very least “good”.
        I was debating neck beard, Brown and Kreutz too.

        Now that I think of it, Roberto Garza might go into that 3rd tier.

        Players who may not have been “Bears” for long that I loved

        Marion Barber and Swole!

        Players who were most annoying. Roy Williams and Bennett.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          I just made the list of all lists and accidentally erased it just now. ugh.

          • Remember that 1st down hand shit Roy Williams did? Ugh. That got old after the first time in PS.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

            what a vadge.

          • Johnnywad

            He didn’t get to do it much

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Forte was just average at best.

          • CanadaBear

            Led the league in yards from scrimmage his first 8 years in the league. That doesn’t sound average to me.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            LOL, sorry just trolling Dave. I was going to put Gould on the mediocre or worse list also, but I figured that would be too obvious.

            BTW – where is Dave, I haven’t heard from him in a while.

          • CanadaBear

            I knew you were trolling so I didn’t put too much effort into it!!!!!! Not sure where Dave is after his trip to Russia.

          • He’s in Russia for the world cup. Hopefully he didn’t fall into a honeytrap!

            Though if you have to go, I can think of worse ways….

          • SC Dave

            I’ve been posting, but not feeding trolls.

            Great: Butkus, Payton, Dent
            VGood: Mongo, Hester, Forte
            Med: HH, Gordon, Suhey

          • Oh, Mongo’s a good one, and Suhey.

            Gordon was b4 my time too.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Butkus, Sayers, Payton.

        Rosey Taylor, Peanut, Hester.

        Tom Waddle, George Farmer, Bobby Douglass.

        • Bobby Douglass was before my time, but the hair alone gets my vote!

          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FWLshs1ufoQ/TxtKpSKi8WI/AAAAAAAAAoY/oQHiaCkHDxg/s1600/Douglass%2Btrading%2Bcard.jpg

          Lefty QB who could run – like a 70s Steve Young

          • CanadaBear

            He was really, really bad. About half of his passes bounced before they got to the receiver. One thing I did like about him, when he threw an INT he usually made the tackle (and brought some wood with him).

          • so maybe more like a blonder, cooler Tebus

          • SC Dave

            If the force of the throw didnt knock the DB down first.

            All the classic clips of Gibron screaming “Douglass!! Douglass!!!”

            It’s a shame in a way the younger guys have no conception of the clown show those teams were.

          • CanadaBear

            I was hoping to find the vid of the play where Douglass takes a step back from center, the ball is snapped and goes over his head/past him by 15 yds. That play alone typifies the Abe Gibron era.

          • AlbertInTucson

            JUST shy of a thousand yard rushing season in a 14 game season.

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      man, we’ve had some good guys on some average/slightly above average teams. I’ve loved:
      Mike Brown
      Izzy
      Cutty 2010-2013, 2015
      Rosie
      Traylor
      Jennings for that year he was awesome
      Nut
      Lach
      T.Jones
      That awesome white fullback we had
      That awesome white Dlineman we should have played at fullback more
      Dezzy
      Marcus Robinson/Jeff Graham
      Ultraback
      Mark Carrier
      Donnell Woolford
      Myron the touchdown maker Baker (poor mans Izzy)
      Walt Harris
      Bobby Ingram
      Tony Parrish
      Marty Booker
      Rosie
      Warrick Holdman
      RW McQuarters
      Briggsy
      Ian Scott (the black and unhurt Dusty)
      Tommie
      Tank
      The Interceptor
      Our Adrian Peterson
      Chris Harris (the first time)

      • EnderWiggin

        Awesome white fullback = Brad Muster or Piccolo?
        Mark Carrier could be the biggest one season wonder to date.

        • Carrier was an All-Pro his rookie season and then had many more seasons, including as a Detroit Lion, where he was mostly average.

          • EnderWiggin

            If I remember right though, his many more seasons were nothing like that rookie campaign.

          • Cormonster

            Hey, my boys Gov’t Mule are gonna be playing in Tinley Park on August 24th with the Avett Brothers and Magpie Salute (former Black Crowes guys). Mule’s gonna be doing a long Pink Floyd tribute set during the show, and it should be pretty badass.

            If I remember correctly, you enjoyed the Mule Floyd show I posted here years ago. The Floyd part starts at song 9.

          • Doc Nitty

            What up doggy?

            Still playin chess. Hit me up.

          • Cormonster

            I’ll do that. I could go for some Chess and catch up with you a bit. Check out this show I recorded at my favorite dive music bar. I think you’ll like it. Their original stuff is really good too.

            https://youtu.be/3BOS2RoaDIc?t=53m39s

          • Doc Nitty

            Nice! I’m thinking it’s probably not easy to play guitar like Tom Morello. Love me some Rage.

        • One yr wonder. A-train, Interceptor, Mark Anderson?

        • Oh shit, speaking of white FBs.

          Cluuuutts!

        • SC Dave

          Suhey

      • Waffle –

        hardcore porsche porn. when i saw it, i went to one knee and bowed my head, a single tear ran down my cheek

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          That is some hardcore German Pornsche

      • Your brain power for mediocre Bears is astounding, sir.

        You’re like a Beautiful mind of Bear players even google can’t find.

        RW McQuarters lol

        • SC Dave

          No shit. I was looking for Robocop.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Big Cat Williams

        • Surprised no one has mentioned the Fridge either

          • CanadaBear

            I think we all liked the Fridge but let’s face it, he got more ink than he ever deserved.

      • SC Dave

        Fendi!! Awesome… the offense version of Cornwash.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Tillman was greta. Had CJ in his pocket. The peanut punch.

      Singletary was great – the 46 ran through his CPU.

      Fencik was surrounded by greatness so his greatness got overshadowed.

      Waddle, mediocre? Baller. I’d vote Cap Boso or Jim Thornton. Loved them.

      I loved having Michael Johnson in the backfield. He was done but I liked it. Ditto Pep. They were kind of mediocre. Cutty might qualify ….

      Izzy for good-or-better …. and Dennis Gentry.

    • BerwynBomber

      McMahon as a HoFer? Hah! Funny. He’s borderline good at best. Repeat, at best.

      Top list I’d go Payton, Lach, Dent. (from the post-Butkus/Sayers eras.)

      Very good: Briggs, Peanut, Hester (though Hester, Samurai and Hampton could easily find their way on the top list.)

      Mediocre? Who the hell knows? though I like the Waddell and Mannely mentions. Of very recent vintage I might nominate W. Young and T. Porter. By all accounts old lions who earned a ton of respect in the lockerroom. I liked both even if it was time to move on from each.

      • Maybe I’m grading on a curve, but McMahon to me was awesome, and IMO, under rated. He was just always injured. In some ways, I feel like he was collateral damage. That D wanted to put out QBs, and I feel like opposing Ds wanted to do the same to Jimmy as eye for an eye.

        I also like all that he represents. Showing up to his first practice with a beer. Mooning the news copter. Calling his own plays and giving Ditka annureisms

        haha. We’ll never really see that again. I was hoping Cutler would become that honestly, but never quite happened. Maybe just diff era.

        If I was old enough to see Butkus play, no doubt he’d be my fav next to Sweetness.

        Sayers is polarizing. I sorta like that he speaks his mind, but sometimes he just sounds like a bitter bitch. Think he knows INJ took away his chance of becoming the greatest of all time, so I cut some slack there.

        • SC Dave

          I’m sure he would.

          Butkus was the fucking bomb.

          Payton the only guy close. Walter played with the same fury.

          • I love seeing Butkus play. Anytime he happens to be on NFLN or whatever, I stop and watch. He’s everything a Bear or football player should be (that’s why he’s my banner on Twitter).

            But, hard to be emotionally involved with a guy way before my age. Kinda like Sid Luckman.

            I don’t think anyone will be old enough to list him as top 3, not even Al! lol

          • CanadaBear

            Al and I are close in age and I only go back to Bill Wade and Rifle-Arm Rudy Bukich so neither one of us saw Sid play.

            For fans that like D over O, Butkus would be everyone’s favorite Bear. Vice-versa, Walter is their favorite. I have to laugh at people that bitch about Sayers. He was always honest. If the press asked him a question he would try to give a thoughtful answer. No sugar coating. Was he bitter? Probably. Due to his injuries and not exactly great care from the Bears medical staff, his career was over in a flash. He now has dementia and is basically gone.

  • leftcoastdave

    Mo HoJo love, this time based upon what HH does best. How can anybody doubt that he will lead the league on yards and yards per carry? SMH.

    https://sportsmockery.com/2018/07/its-not-trubisky-who-stands-to-cash-in-on-arrival-of-harry-hiestand/

  • Irish Sweetness

    Watching Dexter ‘Secretary of Defense’ Manley’s A Football Life.

    Manley: “Ditka said I had the IQ of a grapefruit …. I took that personally.”

    :o)

    • CanadaBear

      Iron Mike was always warm and fuzzy.

      • SC Dave

        And idiotic.

  • Doc Nitty

    After a much needed two year NFL sabbatical, I do believe I’m ready to dive back in. I won’t devote my life to it like I did all those years, but I can say I’m sensing a familiar old feeling rise up in my football loins. We’ll see if it sticks I guess.

    So here’s to old flames, here’s to old friends, and here’s to the feeling that’s sure to manifest across the league this year: Chicago Bears Fear Boners. Yeah baby.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Welcome back, Doc. Like you, I’ve spent the past couple years paying less attention to the game and the league, but all the buzz about the Bears — especially with the new coach — have drawn me back, too.

      Regarding Kyle Long, I was really surprised he had all the surgeries he did in the off-season. Apparently he’s a fast healer.

      • I don’t blame you guys for pressing snooze under the Fox regime.

        Maybe I can convince MB to return to regale us with his stories of hot tub romanian escort sex…

        • SC Dave

          Do. It.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          He became a Romanian escort? Kinky.

        • CanadaBear

          You should reach out to MB. I’m guessing he’s on a ledge right now. His dream girl, Kate Upton is knocked up.

    • Alright, Doc! And since you’re back in football, you should dust off your ornamental balls and geeeet some in fantasy football too!

      It’s become pretty competitive, and you can catch some of the regs from seasons past on there like Shady and Artoo.

      • Doc Nitty

        Waffle?

        I swore off fantasy football long ago. Hate it. Thanks though.

        • Not, it’s Butch Deadlift (or maybe you knew me as 85Bears4eva).

          But Waffle is in the league too (he’s the Russian Pacebot).

          C’mon. Bring back the Forte Oz to Freedom! lol

          I’m not gonna start it till late august though, cuz I’m not fucking insane.

          Your other chess partner is over there, the one who apparently always beats you guys lol

    • Irish Sweetness

      ‘Sup Doc.

      Balls Deep! YEAH!

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      #MAGFBA
      Make America get fear boners again.

  • Doc Hamstring

    How about something different? Least-favorite players?

    Bears I disliked:

    Great: none, really.

    Good-or-better (mostly based on their performance before/after Bears): Bryan Cox, Muhsin Muhammad,

    Mediocre-or-worse: That nutball DT who got kicked off the team, Spellman, Bennett, Archuleta

    Turrible: Name a QB from the Lost Era. Moreno, Kordell Stewart, Burris, etc… but the worst had to be Quinn. Or fuck, maybe McNown, given he was a 1st round pick. Or hell, Mirer, considering how he cost a first round pick.

    Wait, this is an exercise in futility. There are too many “least favorite” players for me to name them all. So many failures.

    • CanadaBear

      The Cadester. He’s the only former Bear that I really dislike. Lousy QB and a lousy person.

      • Throw in Cedrunk too. Oh shit, this list is only gonna get longer…

        • CanadaBear

          Cedrunk was an idiot for sure.

      • AlbertInTucson

        A jerk from the get-go.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Chad Hutchinson

    • Jay Ratliff.
      Think he said he was gonna return an kill everyone at Halas.
      Given the Trestman effect, I am now more sympathetic.

      I threw my hat in for Bennett and Roy Williams for least liked.

      I’m gonna be in the small camp to say Briggs. I don’t think I ever forgave him for swearing he would never play for the beloved again, then signing and retiring with Bears.

      He also never stepped into the leadership void. Instead, he got fat and treated his later yrs as a spokesperson for hid BBQ joint.

      Surprised no-one threw in Conte.

      • Johnnywad

        Why would anyone throw in Conte? He wasn’t unlikable. Quite the opposite. Dude would die for the team. Just wasn’t what we all wanted at the position.

      • CanadaBear

        Dude, his last year was his only down year. When he got put into the lineup for that GB game at the end of the season (when he had to be close to 300), I think that was done just to embarrass him (it should have, fuck was he fat and slow that game). That’s it for him not balling out in his career with the Bears.

        He said that shit about the Bears when he thought he was going to the 49ers, basically negotiating in the press. BFD, players do that all the time.

    • SC Dave

      Sam Hurd.

      We’ve had a ton of shitty players, but not a great deal of dickheads.

      • CanadaBear

        Honestly if you look into the case the govt agents were the ones to hatch the plot and basically serve it to Hurd on a platter. He was dumb enough to embrace it.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Cedrunk was definitely unlikable.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hunter Hillenmeyer.

      He was a blight on middle-linebacking for this team. That was sad.

  • antityco

    Yeah.

  • CanadaBear

    Decent article about the top 10 Bears from Adam Jahns. Last year’s top 10 is frightening.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/the-10-most-important-bears-players-for-a-successful-2018-season/

    • leftcoastdave

      With four from last year gone and one riding the pine, things are certainly looking much better. I like his ranking too, except for putting so much on Floyd as being “the 4th most important” for a successful season while HoJo is listed as 8th.

      Sure, new O, yada, yada, yada. But with a bell cow RB like HoJo and a good if not great O line, you’ve got to let him carry the rock with regularity and let the linemen be the mover, not the movee, the windshield, not the bug.

      • CanadaBear

        Can’t argue with that.

      • SC Dave

        Howard is, hands down, the best player on the O until, and UNLESS, someone steps up.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Is he now? Allen Robinson can do all the things required of him as a wide receiver.

          I do not think the same can be said for our Jordan in his role as running back.

  • willbest

    Wherein FIFA decides that they hate their average viewer.

    http://smokeroom.com/2018/07/13/fifa-tells-world-cup-broadcasters-to-stop-zooming-in-on-hot-women-in-the-stands/

    This should be less of a problem in Qartar

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • willbest

      First rule of opinion journalism – say something that will generate eyeballs

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Opinion” cancels out “Journalism”.

    • He always liked Vadgers. QBs sticking together.

      Guess he thinks the Jags can Donkey it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If only you could check people for CTE ….

  • willbest

    “Question: why does Wyoming (560k pop) have some number of senators as California (37 million pop)? Because America is broken.” – Jeff

    Because the Senate represents the Sovereign States, who are considered Equal. The mistake was direct elections of senators rather than having them appointed by the state legislatures. The result was a group of people that just represent the people of the state, rather than the state itself.

    “Except the House is useless for the Supreme Court.” – Jeff

    Amusingly if states had the soverignty the constitution affords them, you would be significantly less concerned over who our unaccountable quasi-lawmakers are.

    • Johnnywad

      Funny statement. It’s broken because of how we elect senators? We’ve always elected them that way. Even pre-brokenness.

      • willbest

        Compare article 1, section 3 and the 17th amendment.

        • Johnnywad

          LOL. I stand corrected. We haven’t ALWAYS elected them EXACTLY that way.

          Just for the last 105 years. I’m sure that’s what Jeff meant. The 17th amendment is what he was talking about.

          I think he’s pissed because the handful of old white folk of Wyoming get the same number of Senators as the extremely diverse tens of millions of California. Not the mechanism by which they are selected.

          My point is that America has worked just fine with two senators form each state for a long time.

          • We’re only 200 yrs in.

            That’s nothing if you read about Egypt, China, or even England

          • Johnnywad

            I know. I’d say things are headed the wrong way. But it has nothing to do with how the senate gets elected.

          • willbest

            If you think about politicians as greedy SOBs only interested in increasing their power, the question then because what is the most natural way for them to do it, and how do you use that to your advantage?

            One of the checks on the Federal Government is the Senate being a branch of government that takes the 10th Amendment seriously. If a Senator is put there by the IL legislature then, he is going to operate in the best interest of the IL legislature or he is going to be out of a job.

            The IL legislature isn’t going to care about curb stomping Wyoming but presumably they wouldn’t be on board with expansions of the Federal Government that reduce their power.

            What the 17th Amendment did was free the Senate from having to concern itself with what the various state legislatures wanted. Only the people of those states. The result, coupled with the 16th Amendment providing the funding, was a massive increase in the Federal Government.

            Keep in mind that prior to the 17th Amendment the Supreme Court took a very restrictive view on the Federal Governments power to regulate Interstate Commerce.

            What allowed FDR to get the judges that would approve his new deal (and get the new deal passed through congress in the first place) was the fact that the Senate no longer answered to the states. The check was gone.

            This is what I am referring to as the brokenness of the system. The Civil War ended state sovereignty, but it wasn’t until the 17th Amendment that we ended the idea of pushing governance down to smaller and less dangerous institutions. So much so that Butch and Jeff don’t think anything of the people in LA, Chicago, NY, Houston dictating to the people living in Kansas how they should be living their life.

          • SC Dave

            That last sentence is so spot on.

      • AlbertInTucson

        It’s broken because his candidate lost.

        • Johnnywad

          Funny how that works.

          Not much has changed for me or most folks I know. Other than our 401k’s are all a little fatter.

          But then again, we’re all middle aged white dudes with wives, kids, mortgages and jobs.

          • AlbertInTucson

            You want funny?

            Dems are whining about the SCOTUS nominee process when THEY were the ones who changed the rules on limiting filibuster and confirming with a simple majority.

            Hoist OnTheir Own Petard.

    • Californians are being disenfranchised. Talk about 3/5ths of a person again.
      The reason the Senate is set up like this was to prevent Presidents from basically ignoring states like Wyoming or Rhode Island, and just pandering to NY, Illinois, CA, Texas, Florida, etc.

      But why should those small states be disproportionately represented?

      We need to go straight to a popular vote, and in the senate, more voters = more senators, plain and simple.

      That would be more democratic and fairer, IMO

      This fear of “mobocracy” needs to go.

      The electoral college which was supposed to guard against populist demigods who may be a russian stooge and tear apart, divide and cripple old alliances didn’t prevent Trump from getting elected, so it’s basically useless.

      #SpaceForce

      • willbest

        Why did you ask a question to which I already answered. States are supposed to be sovereigns. Why does India and Croatia both only get 1 vote in the UN general assembly. That isn’t fair.

        And before you go about wanting mob rule, I think you should see the way certain things poll. You probably won’t like it. It should tell you something the I personally would prefer direct democracy where we vote on the budget and the laws directly over the current system. Not because I think the system is a good idea, but because it would produce results more favorable to my ideology

        • What do you mean by “sovereigns”?

          When the Federal gov forced the South to desegregate, it didn’t matter how many senators they had, or if their governors liked it or not (they didn’t).

          No state can make heroine legal, I don’t think.

          And by “direct dem” are you talking about the entire nation, or state by state?

          Cuz yeah, something like segregation might’ve been unpopular in Alabama, but nation wide, more ppl wanted to desegregate than not.

          But of course there’s gonna be a danger for “mobacracy”

          For instance, most ppl were ok with Japanese internment camps. Same with waterboarding (at the time).

          But our current system allowed them anyways, so they were just as “mob-y” as the most ignorant yokal, just in ties and fine print.

          • willbest

            Before the States lost their check on the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court would have ruled the states could set their own drug policies. The original intent of the Interstate Commerce Clause was to prevent states of essentially favoring local industry over out of state competition. But post 1930s, after all the justices the states had given advice and consent to had been replaced by pro-Federal government Justices, the Interstate Commerce clause got expanded to say, if you grow wheat on your property, not for sale, but to consume it yourself, that has an effect on Interstate Commerce and the Federal Government can regulate it.

            Its basically, the Federal Government can do anything it wants clause now. That is a big step up from the original grants of power listed in Article 1, section 8. If you look at that, and then read the 10th Amendment and realize that everything else is the area of the states, you will understand how much power they are supposed to have. That is what I mean by sovereignty.

            What I mean by direct democracy is Nancy Pelosi puts up Obamacare for the whole nation to vote on it up or down. Because if our legislatures aren’t going to bother reading the shit the special interests and the lobbyists put together, then they serve no purpose. We all could just show up once a quarter at the voting booths, vote up or down a dozen different proposed bills/laws, and confirm a justice/cabinet official, etc.

            The North with their redlining, and restrictive zoning, was so much
            more enlightened in their discrimination. Desegregating the South was
            basically the North saying “FFS hillbillies, don’t be so damn obvious
            about it”.

            I suspect if you voted on what policies were allowed
            and weren’t you would find quite a few pro-discrimination policies.
            I
            pointed out several a few weeks back that San Fran employs that have the effect of keeping the poor people out.

            But we don’t need to go back to the 1960s to find things that don’t conform to most liberals world view. Universal conceal carry, no gay marriage, no abortion except save the life of the mother, rape, incest, and severe defect. The trans movement would be DOA. No women in the military. Much tighter border security and immigration enforcement. Renewable energies subsidies gone.

            Its not all bad news though. You would see fewer military engagements, less military spending, and social safety net polices that are better attuned to the people than the one we have now which is designed to benefit the service providers. Free trade would never have carried the day. Bankers would have been jailed/executed post 2008. A tax could that didn’t look progressive, but have a billion loopholes, etc.

            9/11 would have been far more unpredictable. That is where democracy can get scary.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bankers should have been jailed/executed post 2008.

            Congress knows that the country is held to ransom by a privately-owned money system. It does, and says, nothing. Ron Paul was the only guy that made an effort to pull the curtain back and expose the great Oz.

            Has the Emergency War Powers ever been lifted? The Supreme Court warned you that you were still operating under them in 1972. Has anything changed? When were you informed that War Powers had been lifted? You haven’t been. Under Emergency War Powers, the average citizen is listed as an ‘enemy’, and they can do whatever the fuck they want, and people like George W. can call the constitution ‘just a piece of paper’ because that’s exactly all it’s worth.

            You just cannot trust those devils in power. The Sixteenth amendment made no new provisions for taxation. No income tax was ever ratified … yet you pay it. Why?
            Because the paramilitary IRS will kick your door in if you don’t.

            The mistake is treat these assholes like they’re working for you, because they’re not.

          • AlbertInTucson

            More bankers to jail?

            I’m for THAT.

      • Cormonster

        When you vote in the Democrat Presidential primary, your vote is worth just over 4/5ths of a vote. Progress! Is that why many on the left refer to themselves as Progressives, because of things like this?

        • AlbertInTucson

          Your vote was worthless in the Democrat primary that they admit was fixed.

      • SC Dave

        No, we don’t. We need to keep the Senate as it is.

  • willbest

    2 goals off what looked like 2 non penalties. The refs giveth and they taketh away

    • AlbertInTucson

      So much for FIFA emphasizing “Fair Play”.

    • SC Dave

      The own goal was illegitimate, as the dive was pathetic.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The ‘handball’ was a joke – VAR is for clear and obvious errors, the ref took four minutes and then went back again for another look!

  • leftcoastdave
  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    How slow is it in sports? ESPN is showing the Cornhole Championship.

    • AlbertInTucson

      A notch above the hot dog eating contest.

  • ButtonShoes

    “The Bears don’t believe they’re going to be 8-8 this season. They believe they’ll be playing football in January.”

    Every year the Bears believe a lot of things. They are usually wrong about all of them.

  • That Guy

    Latest news: Kate Upton is pregnant. Prepare for entire towns to be crushed by her boobs.

  • Johnnywad

    We toured the University of Chicago with my daughter Friday boys. We’ve been to a handful already including Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, and Michigan as well as a few smaller schools. Chicago takes the cake at the moment. We were all blown away. What a great school.

    She had a prospect camp there Friday and hopefully ends up with an opportunity to play as well as attend school there. I’m really pumped about the whole deal. I don’t know where this all leads, but that was an exciting day.

    Apparently one does not go South of 62nd…….Ever.

    • AlbertInTucson

      My mom worked in the payroll department at the U of Chicago during WWII.

      Back when Enrico Fermi was working on his nuclear reactor underneath the football field there as part of The Manhattan Project.

      Chicago had dropped their successful Big 10 football program after 1939.

      • Johnnywad

        They have Jay Berwanger’s Heisman Trophy on display in the athletic center. It’s pretty well beat up. Apparently the lad used it to prop his door open in his dorm room for a year before the school stepped in to preserve it.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He was the first ever NFL draft pick.

          Eagles took him and traded his rights to the Bears.

          He didn’t like what Halas was offering and walked away from the NFL.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Sacha Baron Cohen is back on TV : Who is America?

    SBC: “They tried to stop 4 year old children from having access to guns?”
    Philip Van Cleave: “Yes.”
    SBC: “What is the logic people come up with?”
    PVC: “They think children can’t handle them…”

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