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ATM: White and Miller Could Make Bears Attack Very Different

| August 1st, 2018

Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy have tried to build the 2018 Chicago Bears offense to be like those Nagy’s mentor Andy Reid had success with in the past. But they may have stumbled into something very different and entirely more fascinating. If Kevin White and Anthony Miller are both able to continue to play at the level they have in the early days of training camp, the Bears won’t have a choice but to put both on the field. That could change the entire offense.

While generally thought of as an offense that spreads the ball around, that hasn’t really been the case. In five years, Reid’s Chiefs have averaged:

  • 19.6% of their targets to the top receiver
  • 18% to the pass-catching tight end
  • 16.9% to running backs

Those numbers mostly held up with Doug Pederson in Philadelphia. His Eagles averaged:

  • 20.5% of their targets to the top receiver
  • 18.6% to the pass-catching tight end
  • 15% to running backs

Where it gets interesting, however, is when you look at the other positions. There you will find very little consistency.

The fourth receiver in the offense typically gets 25 or fewer targets, with the one exception being KC’s 2016 in which Albert Wilson finished with 51. A few things went into that, most notably that the top receiver Tyreek Hill only had 83 targets that year. (There’s always going to be give and take in the game of targets.) That KC team didn’t have a true No. 1 receiver and the Bears do, but targets could come from somewhere else.

The Bears are obviously confident Trey Burton can be a good starter, but that doesn’t mean he will — or should — get the same number of target shares as players like Travis Kelce and Zach Ertz  got in Kansas City and Philadelphia. The Bears could take some targets from Burton and maybe some from Taylor Gabriel and spread more to the third and fourth receivers.

There’s a chance that Nagy will just stick with what he knows, but Pederson changed it up just enough that there’s reason to think Nagy will too. The influence of Mark Helfrich is also interesting and could be a sign that the Bears are going to spread their offense out even more than the Chiefs did.


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It’s been impossible to ignore the constant buzz around Miller and no player has played more snaps in camp so far than White. It’s clear the Bears want the latter on the field and becoming clear they might not be able to keep the former off of it.

The most important thing for Nagy to do is get the best eleven players on the field. There’s a chance — and maybe even a good one — that we’re just seeing the standard training camp mirages with White and Miller. But unlike past camp stars (read: 2014 DBB classic, The Joe Anderson Boner) both White and Miller are physical freaks who were drafted high for a reason. After the draft, Nagy simply said “you can never have enough receivers” and this Bears team may put that to a test.

If White and Miller are who they have appeared to be, this Bears offense could just be different enough to make defenses sweat every week.

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  • SC Dave

    I’ll stick with what I posted some time back, and that is that Miller will outperform White. Despite that probability that they force-feed White (if so, that is evidence that Pace was meddling with Fox, et al).

    Regarding this: “That KC team didn’t have a true No. 1 receiver and the Bears do”

    Specifically to whom do you refer? Allen Robinson? It is laughable to call White a #1 given his career performance.

    • Scharfinator

      It has to be Robinson, right?

    • leftcoastdave

      I don’t get the White love either. Yes, he is being force fed with result mixed with catches, tips and drops. We’d all love to see him make it, but that seems to be the least likely scenario.

      • From those few practices I saw, White looks avg at best. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has the most drops thus far

    • CanadaBear

      AD didn’t specifically say Robinson but I think it’s safe to assume he meant him and not KW.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Braverman.

  • ButtonShoes

    Training camp performances are meaningless. But given that, I could believe this of Anthony Miller because he’s a rookie and who knows what he is. Kevin White? That’s a long wait for a train that don’t come. It’s Year 4 for White and his brittle-bodied ship has sailed.

    • CanadaBear

      You’re probably correct but there is no harm trying to get a return from KW.

      • Johnnywad

        There seems to be this magnetic pull to being the first to act accurately predict bad news.

        • John F

          But it’s so easy to predict bad news when it comes to the Bears ……. you’ll be right 90 percent of the time …

          • Johnnywad
          • John F

            I felt that way watching Grossman play in the Superbowl

          • Johnnywad

            Only you would feel that way watching the Bears in the Super Bowl.

          • John F

            Only watching Grossman (well also Benson until he got an owie on his knee)

            Griese or Orton play in that game, Bears win ……….

          • Sazzo

            True!

    • What we can see in practice is pure athleticism. Like last PS Acho and crew were raving about Cohen.

      Then we saw him play a bit and saw how fast and quick he looked vs NFL level talent. He just looked like he was in another gear (shades of Hester).

      If Miller pops off the screen like that, even vs backups (back ups typically are just as athletic as starters), if he’s running sharp routes, getting separation, making tough conversions, blowing past defenders on Go routes, then we know we have something going forward .

      If he looks like White, no separation, defenders draped all over him, drops, getting jammed at the LOS, then it’s likely more of the same

      • leftcoastdave

        I’m sure you saw the tape where Prince tried to jam him at the line? Miller brushed him off on an inside move, darted upfield and turned on a dime over the middle creating at least 3 yards of separation. Prince later said he wasn’t going to try to jam him at the line like that again.

        • SC Dave

          Miller is everything people dreamed of White. But better.

  • Bob Doll

    There is no reason for me to doubt White’s camp performance as he is a physical freak and why he was picked so high…expecting anything from him is Grossman-esque so I don’t…but, should he stay healthy, I would expect him to push for playing time…alot of playing time so this news doesn’t surprise me and I’m hopeful he will stay healthy and take the NFL by storm…like most Bear fans though, seeing is believing.

    Miller doing well is great news…in the pre-draft research I was doing convinced me he might be a true sleeper pick and he is practicing like a player who will be very successful in this league…not really a surprise so much as confirmation that what we saw on college game day may just translate to the NFL…cautious optimism!

    I think, and have thought since the signing, it is Taylor Gabriel and maybe Trey Burton, but mostly Gabriel who will likely lose time and targets to an emerging Miller and White…I just have to think Gabriel will wind up spending most of his time in the slot, not Miller and not White…not at first, but soon…time will tell, it always does. All of this is predicated on Trubisky taking a step forward and the practice INT not continuing into the regular season…I don’t think they will but we’ve all been here before so I expect good things, and am hopeful for a transformative leap but we absolutely must be competitive this season…it would be a nice start to upset the Packers to start the season.

    • SC Dave

      I would like the opener to be an upset victory, but have none of the next 20 or so straight wins over Green Bay be considered upsets.

      I will say that my optimism about Miller is not cautious. I’m all-in on that kid and believe he will become a star in the league.

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        haha, you’re still pissed because Howard dropped two sure TD’s right in his hands. Love the passion Dave!

        • SC Dave

          I simply watch where the passes go, and listen to what the coaches say

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

            lol, if Howard was on the frosh B team in highschool i’ll let it slide. He is a professional and could have caught those with 1 hand. I did it this weekend, in a pool, bombed on rum…with 3 kids draped on my arms like the Seahawks Legion of Boom

          • SC Dave

            Whatever, troll.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Come on, Dave, it’s not hard to catch on that he is joking, that should be an easy concept to grasp, it is laid out there for all to understand. Don’t pull a Howard and drop an easy one.

      • John F

        Miller better be good, considering what Pace “paid” for him

  • BerwynBomber

    Cheese lose starting ILB Ryan to a torn ACL for the year. First big injury of the NFCN.

    • beninnorcal

      Hate to hear about injuries, but..

    • ButtonShoes

      I don’t feel sorry for them. Fuck the Fudgies.

  • Jokey

    We should be so lucky to have such NFL first-world problems, but, Why Not Us?!

  • So no matter what, Roq is gonna miss the HOF game now I take it?

    That would be a nice way to kick off his tenure. Lach getting inducted while he’s in street clothes watching from the sidelines (if that).

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      I’m pissed at him but can understand how signing the deal as is could be problematic. I fucking hate Mike Florio but he actually made a good point about the issue this morning. Now i’m pissed at both sides for something that you and I could work through in about an hour over a beer.

      • Surprise surprise I blame Pace for this.
        Roq’s guarantees shouldn’t be voided due to some arbitrary helmet rule no one has really seen called.

        If they wanna void his guarantees due to dopping or choking out a bitch, then fine.

        But not for playing aggressively and hitting a receiver in the helmet because he crouched last second or something.

        This seems like an artificially created issue by Pace.

        Tre Edmunds signed in May.

        He’s an ILB last time I checked and a top 20 pick

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Like I said the other day, I don’t think it is all on Pace. My assumption is that Pace does contracts based on specific guidelines, and if something is outside those guidelines he has to get sign off from Sweaty Teddy and George. I can’t see any GM unilaterally holding up something as simple as this.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            this is on the Bears organization. Pace doesn’t seem like a guy that does things without some authorization.

          • John F

            The McCaskey’s always come through as far as f’ing up the Bears ……

          • So now we’re back to blaming the McCaskeys and Ted for contracts?

            One of the main jobs of the GM is contracts. He’s the one that decides who gets what, not the bean counters.

            The bean counters are theoretically HIS employees, not the other way around.

            If Pace’s just another cuck for the McCaskeys, then he’s not the GM we’re looking for because this will mean that this fiasco is only the beginning, or the continuation, of an organizational virus that will infect everything top down.

            I have no doubt in my mind if Cliff Stein were still doing contract, this entire draft class would’ve been signed a month ago.

            I still think they get something done, but not having Roq out there for the HOF game.

            Yikes. Talk about looking like idiots.

          • Johnnywad

            How does Roquan Smith not signing the contract every other draft choice signed make the Bears look like idiots? Doesn’t that make Roquan look like an idiot?

            Or perhaps there is something here that deserves more attention given the new and ridiculous rule that was installed. I don’t blame either side for giving pause at the moment.

            If you were about to sign a contract for a new job, and realized that suddenly the lowest paid guy in the building could make a really easy, subjective mistake, that would cost you 1/16 of your annual pay and possibly more, wouldn’t you have a problem with that? I would.

          • It makes Pace look like an idiot because his stance is idiotic, namely, nullifying Roq’s guarantees because of some arbitrary helmet rule no one has witnessed implemented.

            And are we sure other GMs used the same contract the Pace is offering Roq?

            For instance, Tre Edumunds signed in May.

            Did he have no problem with his guarantees being in danger due to the new helmet rule, or did the Bills take that language away?

            If Pace had just given him the contract without the helmet rule BS, nobody would’ve thought Pace a sucker.

            Most ppl think Roq’s side makes practical sense.

            And all this for what? a power trip to save nickles?

            The optics of this are bad, and other players esp FAs remember stuff like this.

            Reminds me of Bosa when he had it right, and the Chargers were just being cheap bastards.

            And everyone knew it.

            I still give it to the end of the week, but it’s already Weds. Roq is going to miss the HOF game. And all the buzz and hype is sapped because of this.

            It was the top story of PFT.

            Read the comments there to see what other fans think about Pace-vs-Roq

          • Johnnywad

            I heard today on the Score that only three NFL teams have used the version Smith wants. The rest have something closer to Pace’s version. So beats me.

            Something I’ve learned is to avoid forming my own thoughts based on the opinion section of a post. They’re usually full of idiots.

            Personally I don’t much care either way yet. Most teams are just getting started anyway. And it’s doibtful he’d play much tomorrow night if he’d been there since day one. I also think five preseason games is too many. So no biggie.

            And Urlacher’s induction ain’t got shit to do with some kid that’s never played a down in the NFL.

          • Ososfan

            Preach, sir!

          • Sactowns#1

            Apparently its boiler plate language from the NFL and if Pace removes it the Bears would be setting a precedent.

          • But new precedents have to be made because new rules are implemented all the time.

            And everyone knows how subjective some rules can be, and in this case, the penalty is suspension (unlike say determining a catch).

            To me, Roq’s demand is not outrages. He’s protecting himself against the unknown.

            And I also mentioned this before. If you’re out there thinking about your guarantees and bank account before making a tackle, that can’t be good for the D or the team.

            Personally, the Bears should set a common sense precedence. Just insure Roq against an unknown arguably awful rule.

            Chances are, the situation won’t even come up.

            And if Roq is incapable of changing his play style to adapt to the rules and keeps getting suspended for helmet-to-helmet, then maybe he shouldn’t have been drafted that high.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            The precedent has already been set. The Rams and Giants have already set it.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            No, I am saying EVERY GM probably has guidelines determined by each team that they have to follow when it comes to contracts. And if it varies outside of those guidelines they have to get sign off from owners and/or team presidents. I don’t care if Cliff Stein was still doing the contracts, this still would have been an issue.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I’ve always said that the problem with lawyers is that they don’t drink enough.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          that is correct

    • John F

      It’s now just a big pissing contest …….. so stupid

  • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Bears first round pick Roquan Smith (LB Alabama) – still unsigned.

    • AlbertInTucson

      In other news,

      The sun rose in the East this morning.

    • SC Dave

      Yawn. Next man up.

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        David, next man up? haha, hell naw. Roquan was the best LB in college football. The drop off from him to the other guys on the roster is not something we should want to experience.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Super Bowl winner Shea is still available.

          • Ososfan

            I’m STILL fuming over that pick. Chandler Jones was RIGHT THERE! I was going ape-shit for the bears to draft my fellow classmate smh!

          • SC Dave

            It’s always a crapshoot. What did people think when Urlacher was drafted?

        • SC Dave

          The number 1 ability is availability. There is no drop-off from “not on the team”.

  • John F

    Hey, does anybody know the over/under on Trubisky interceptions for tomorrow’s game?

    • beninnorcal

      Well he’ll probably only play one series, if that, so..

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    DeAngelo Hall retired: “If I’d played against Jay Cutler more, I’d be in the Hall of Fame”

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/01/deangelo-hall-if-id-played-jay-cutler-more-id-be-in-hall-of-fame/

  • AlbertInTucson

    Things my pessimism forces me to expect to see tomorrow:

    Bears go 3 and out on their first possession.

    Lamar Jackson making a big splash when he gets in the game.

    • SC Dave

      Jackson is an interesting one. A couple of years back be was a phenom.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Ravens are all kinds of excited about working him into their games.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • KentuckyBearsFan

      In Gainesville amongst the adults, he’s known as Urban Liar.

    • That whole NCAA coach worship is creepy. Shades of Kim Jun.

      ‘Power corrupts. And absolute power, absolutely’

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        “WE ARE PENN STATE”

        (trying not to violently throw up)

        • SC Dave

          Just wait until the shit gets out on Saban

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      Zach Smith’s ex pointed the finger.

      • AlbertInTucson

        My bad.

        She says Meyer’s wife was fully aware.

        • AlbertInTucson

          It’s still bad news for Urban.

          His career at OSU could be history.

        • AlbertInTucson

          If his wife knew, Meyer knew.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “We talkin’ about practice!”- Allen Iverson.

    Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes- 6 practices, 7 picks.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      …yeah, but those picks were only to his homies.

      • Ososfan

        I see what you did there… snkeeeaaaakkkkyyyy

        • AlbertInTucson

          “Nothing succeeds like failure.”-Many authors in many forms.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Remember, Trubisky has to try a lot of new stuff from Nagy, not to mention the OLD stuff Fox wouldn’t LET him try when he had the opportunity to learn last season.

            Like at the end of that damn 49er game!

          • Ososfan

            Tru looked like a completely broken player by the end of the year footwork was trash, his throwing motion looked weird and he looked like he was throwing ducks most of the time…. scary. Hope all is rectified or on the way to being fixed

    • SC Dave

      Trubiskian

  • Ososfan

    I don’t know if y’all have read up on a supposed update regarding the Roquan contract but it seems NOW that The Bears are in the right to sticking with their convictions, supposedly Ro’s agents want him to keep money even if he is disciplined for off-field problems, I don’t think Ro is the type of guy to ever get into any problems off field but this could be some agency trying to make a name for themselves and trying to bully and set an new precedent for their players and agency and it doesn’t look like the Bears will and/or should budge regarding the way that ACC or whatever their name is, wants the contract to be written up, they’ve supported agreed to the helmet fiasco dilemma but now a new problem has emerged…..

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Sorry, we can’t, contractually, give your client permission to be a be a dick-head as a person.”

      • Ososfan

        Right!? Seems too obvious NOT to include such a precedence, these new agents to me, look like they think they should take over all contracts and start a new trend, but again, we don’t have all the facts….

      • SC Dave

        Not with $10M dollars of our money if he never plays a fucking down!

    • Malice Halice

      I’m sorry but this agency sounds like they wanna usher in Reuben Fosters n Zeke’s. That shit ain’t cool. The fuck they mean let him keep money for off-field discipline issues. That’s asanine. Helmet shit is tolerable but the fact this agency wanna make sure guys get paid after they fuck up is not ethical

      • SC Dave

        Next man up. Smith has a chance to follow George, BUTKUS, Singletary, and Urlacher.

        If he doesn’t want it, fuck him with a much larger capital F than Disqus allows

  • Johnnywad
    • Ososfan

      That’s what I’m saying but we don’t have all the facts.. so I’ll just stay neutral for now but it seems that the Bears are the ones getting thrashed for some shit these new agents want to bully orgs to abide by.

      • Johnnywad

        I really haven’t worried much about it. But you’re right, people love to pile on when they don’t have any possible way of knowing the real story.

        • CanadaBear

          I could see the agency trying to muscle the Bears because the Beloved have sucked so long and this puts them in a bad spot. If this is really why he’s sitting out, he can go fuck himself sideways.

          • Johnnywad

            Agreed. If he’s on board with this, he’s an idiot.

          • SC Dave

            Fuck Roq… next man up.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      “The Bears made this concession even before the recent public disclosure of the major sticking point, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. They are one of eight NFL teams willing to include contract language protecting a first-rounder’s guaranteed money if he’s suspended for an illegal hit, a source said.

      But Smith remains away from training camp because his representatives at CAA Football have insisted the Bears go even further and include contract language protecting the player from discipline for behavior outside the realm of a football play. The Bears’ reluctance to do so revolves around their fear of setting a precedent for future contracts and has nothing to do with concerns about Smith’s character, the source said.”

      • Johnnywad

        Interesting huh?

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          god I hope I don’t have to read a contract this year or next.

          • Johnnywad

            Can you imagine what happens if salaries become fully guaranteed with no exclusions for off field behavior? Utter chaos.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            yeah. that sounds crazy as for as a rookie asking for terms.

            The agency sounds mentally deficient if that is the case.

          • John F

            Those same agents represent first round players on New England, Pitt and Buffalo. There is no way that Pitt and NE agreed to that, is there?

          • according to the article, 4 other teams have included guarantees in spite of helmet rule.

            I’m guessing those teams drafted LBs in the 1st rd (or maybe are loser teams who need to concede more than winner teams)

            This will be common for 1st RD ILBs going forward, I think.

            Outside the 1st, the ILBs might be fucked.

            Just depends on how the rule plays out.

          • John F

            No it’s not the helmet rule, its guaranteed money even for off the field stuff. From the article:

            But only four teams in the league have written contracts going as far with protections as Smith seeks, a source said. The other 28 have avoided setting such contractual precedent, perhaps out of a fear of unintended consequences. It’s not a common demand, according to one longtime agent who has negotiated NFL deals.

          • Oh, yes, I re-read it, but the helmet rule is included.

            So my take is, helmet rule protection will be common. Was adopted right away by teams this year, except by Pace.

            Roq was on the other extreme, wanting not only that, but like the article stated, protection for off-field stuff.

            So they’ll likely meet in the “middle”.

            But I agree. Seems crazy for those 4 teams to include such language, but maybe they’re not worried about setting precedent, but getting the player in camp.

          • John F

            Unless I have totally messed this up in my brain, it means that four teams have agreed that if a player has a bar fight (or perhaps worse) and get suspended for it, he still gets his guaranteed money. Knowing what I do about the NFL and how they treat players, I find it almost unbelievable that a team would ever agree to a clause like that.

          • That’s the way I read it too, but maybe there’s like subclauses, like murder or wife-beating. Maybe stuff like that is assumed.

            Also, some teams may completely believer their draftee is squaky clean and don’t worry about the bar fight scenario.

            Seems imprudent, but I suppose they trust their investigators and draft process that much

            They’re not worried about “precednece” and take it case by case, so next draft if they draft a LB with questionable character, they simply won’t include that language in their contract.

            When they’re at the negotiating table and the agent of character flag says, “hey, you guaranteed X, should do the same for my client” that team can simply say, “Yeah, but X didn’t punch out Cop horses or steal frozen ribs from the market”

            That’s my best guess.

          • SC Dave

            Fuck Roq and his agents. Next man up.

          • Johnnywad

            I doubt it. But it might also be true that the player just directed them to remove the language. It’s a ridiculous concept to begin with.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Utter drop in salaries, too.

        • John F

          This has to be true, because the holdout and the Bears not agreeing to whatever the issue was all makes sense now ………

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        With the way the Goodell/NFL investigates on and off field issues I don’t blame Roq for wanting this type of protection. No charges filed, doesn’t matter suspended. Charges dropped, doesn’t matter suspended.

        • Johnnywad

          Seems like swinging all the way to “convicted = still gets paid” is a little much.

          It’s not hard to stay out of trouble.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Swing for the fences. Settle for a double.

      • SC Dave

        Assuming this is true, CAA is dogshit, and the Bears (nor any other team in the NFL) ever draft another player represented by them.

        That little cartel thinks they are big shots? Let the owners CRUSH them. Those little cunts are trying to guarantee their percentages despite any piece of shit they hire out.

        It’s like a headhunter firm getting away with five years of fees for people that the new employer fires after a month for incompetence.

    • WP4Life

      http://sportsagentblog.com/2018/05/02/2018-nfl-draft-player-agency-breakdown/

      I havent heard of the CAA Agency – pushing for these clauses for their other (25) 2018 rookies – ie LB Trumane to Buffalo?

      • WP4Life

        In first round alone – THESE 3 guys represent pick #8, 16, 23, 28, and 31.

        Round Pick Team Player Position College Agent

        1 8 CHI Roquan Smith LB Georgia Todd France, Brian Ayrault, Ben Renzin
        1 16 BUF Tremaine Edmunds LB VT Todd France, Brian Ayrault, Ben Renzin
        1 23 NE Isaiah Wynn OT Georgia Todd France, Brian Ayrault, Ben Renzin
        1 28 PIT Terrell Edmunds S VT Todd France, Brian Ayrault, Ben Renzin
        1 31 NE Sony Michel RB Georgia Todd France, Brian Ayrault, Ben Renzin

        • SC Dave

          Can you say ‘cartel’?

      • Malice Halice

        I hope we don’t deal with any more CAA prospects again. This shit is crazy. Chicago don’t deserve this shit all. Outside of Mitchell our last 4 first rounders ain’t amount to shit. Thank god Leonard got a couple safeties atleast.

        • SC Dave

          Agreed. If a player is represented by those cunts, simply do not draft him.

    • John F

      The article seems to say that four NFL teams have actually agreed to not take away guarantees for conduct outside of football – is that how you read it? If so, who the hell are those four teams?!?

      • WP4Life

        Wonder if the other 4 teams who have conceded, were those also represented by the same 3 CAA agents

        • John F

          As far as first rounder go, they represent players that went to Pitt, New England and Buffalo. There is no way I can believe that NE or Pitt would ever agree to that clause in a contract, at least a rookie contract.

      • Johnnywad

        That’s how I read it.

    • My premise that Pace is an idiot was based on the language of the helmet rule.

      IF Roq is indeed seeking the Bears guarantee him for off-field behavior, then ROQ is the problem

      (Then again, who drafted Roq?)

      But “sources familiar” isn’t exactly gospel for either side.

      That being said

      “The Bears initially balked at excluding all such language — as coach
      Matt Nagy’s comments Saturday in Bourbonnais indicated — but eventually
      compromised their position because it pertained to a football play.”

      In other words, the Bills included the helmet language right away, and as such signed Tre Edmunds on May 12th.

      Pace didn’t, then later (who knows exactly when?) followed the lead of the Bills and Gmen, but by then created animosity between him and Roq’s agent, and here we are, as Roq the lone unsigned rookie from the 18 class.

      Seems bungled no matter how it’s sliced, but I’m willing to give Pace up till this week.

      After that, it’s just gonna snow ball.

      “The frustration over Smith’s continued absence defensive coordinator Vic Fangio expressed Tuesday has been felt throughout the organization. Smith is the only one of the 256 players drafted in April who has yet to sign his contract”

      • Johnnywad

        How could he possibly see this coming? It’s a brand new thing that’s not been done. Drafting Roquan was not a mistake.

        • The way I see it based on the new info (which may change when Roq’s agent “leaks” his side), both camps started on extreme positions.

          Pace claims helmet rule or not, nothing is guaranteed if suspended.

          Roq was in the opposite camp, I want you to guarantee not only the helmet stuff, but off-field issues too.

          I suspect one of them took a hard-stance in order to get the other to the table.

          In other words, this will likely end with the compromise that Pace will “give in” to Roq’s demand of protection from the helmet rule (he already did), and Roq will give in to protection from off-field stuff.

          Basically, what other teams have already done.

          Only thing is, it’s already Aug. So it seems like Roq is not budging.

          • SC Dave

            You can’t still be on CAA’s side, can you?

          • For the helmet rule exemption, yes. For off-field exemption, hell no.

        • John F

          I really want this guy on the field, but there is no way the Bears can agree that if he is a total f’up off the field and gets suspended for things, they still have to pay him his guaranteed money, no way.

          • Johnnywad

            Agreed. Lord of the Flies shit right there.

        • SC Dave

          If he knew Roq was represented by CAA, it was a mistake. That simple.

          • Johnnywad

            It’s CAA. And they represent 11 of the 32 first round picks.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The Bears have enough trouble hitting on draft picks without eliminating 11 of the top 32 because of their representation.

          • SC Dave

            Avail- is the more important ability.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Your premise that they pass on players because of who represents them is unsupportable.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I don’t believe even Urban Meyer can can survive this one.

    http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/01/urban-meyer-placed-on-administrative-leave-amid-domestic-violence-scandal/

    They’re probably now negotiating his buyout.

    A lesser name would have been canned immediately.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      let me repeat this from Gainesville where I live……his name is Urban Liar.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Don’t you think he’s history at OSU?

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          I don’t know. The accusations are about somebody on his staff a few years ago.

          Hey, Rick Pitino survived screwing some restaurant staffer after hours.

          He just had to transfer to UL from UK.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They fired Tressel for lying about a free tatoo.

            Looking the other way at domestic abuse is a tough rap to beat these days.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            it sounds like they want him out for other reasons, and this is the excuse.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The wife-beater was on his staff at Florida, too.

          • Johnnywad

            We’ll see what another 24 hours worth of news cycle brings. But I’m with you, I don’t see how he wiggles out of it.

          • John F

            If they think he can still make OSU boatloads of money and there is some quasi-reasonable explanation they can give and keep a straight face, he’s staying ……..

          • AlbertInTucson

            There will be front line college coaches standing line for that job if it opens up.

            Even Woody Hayes got fired for being a jerk.

            It’s THE Ohio State University.

            They replaced the highly successful, Jim Tressel.

            They can replace the highly successful, Urban Meyer.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Agree.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And if he DID, in fact, give his wife beater buddy a pass, he SHOULD be gone.

          • Johnnywad

            Piss on him. There’s a slim chance he’s being railroaded here. But in my life’s experience, where there’s smoke there’s fire.

            And these days, the way things have gone, Universites with major athletic programs are at DEFCON 4.

            I’d wager it’s about 80/20 he’s gone.

            The sad thing is, all they have to do is the right and obvious thing, and life goes on. Instead, these assholes circle the wagons around bad people.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I think he’s gone, too. They just need figure out the buyout.

            I figure the staff has to history, as well.

            Didn’t the Ex claim all the other coaches were aware of what was going on?

          • AlbertInTucson

            The guy in question was only recently fired by Meyer.

    • John F

      If they think he can still get them in BCS bowl games every year (which equals millions and millions of dollars each year) then he ain’t going anywhere …….

      • AlbertInTucson

        You don’t have to be Urban Meyer to get Ohio State to BCS bowl games every year.

  • John F

    Urban Meyer put on paid leave during OSU investigation:

    https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1024780693203812352

  • SC Dave

    Roquan has two groups of players he can choose to join (although there is zero evidence to suggest he could actuall yBELON

  • SC Dave

    Roquan… you two groups you can to join. One is easy.
    The other, well… maybe inyour wildest childhood dreams could you possibly belong.

    Group 1: Cedric Benson, Cade McNown, Curtis Enis, David Terrell
    Overpaid, ego-laden (or agent-deceived) holdout nothings.

    Group 2: Bill George, Dick BUTKUS, Mike Singletary, Brian Urlacher
    A pantheon of Hall of Fame Chicago Bears heroes.

    So what will it be?

    • AlbertInTucson

      EASY on the HOF expectations, please.

      I’ll settle for another Lance Briggs or Doug Buffone.

      • SC Dave

        I get it, but I did write… in his ‘wildest childhood dreams’. I’m already convinced he’ll never make it.

        Oh, and you can add Joe Fortunato, who was certainly better than Buffone, and maybe Briggs too. 🙂

        • AlbertInTucson

          A guy can dream.

          • SC Dave

            Did you ever see Joe play, Al? I was too young.

            The guys I would have loved to see (because they were somewhat close to my time) were George, Fortunato, and particularly Atkins.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Only on TV.

            I didn’t go to my first Bear game until 1967. Joe retired in ‘66. Replaced by Buffone, I believe.

            Underrated, I think, because he played along side George and then Butkus.

            Doug Atkins was a beast.

            A physical freak who would be feared, even today.

            He was still good when he retired as a Saint after 1968.

            I understand Halas let him go in the 1967 expansion draft as favor. Doug was a Good Old Boy from the South and wanted to finish his career down there.

          • SC Dave

            My understanding is that he and Halas never really got along from the start. Atkins was simply not reverential enough towards Papa Bear.

          • John F

            Atkins was as feared a player as has ever been in the NFL

          • SC Dave

            Well, yeah. This -> “I’m already convinced he’ll never make it.” <- was a bit of an overreaction on my part.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Gotta love the OSU psychophants blaming the media for Urban Meyer’s problems.

  • SC Dave


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5eNGZ2F2Q

    I still think Wally Chambers as the guy that they wasted in North Dallas 40 at instructions of ‘Landry’.
    Did you know that Jim Flanagan had 4 TD receptions?!?
    … ah… Tommie Harris… the poor man’s Wally Chambers

    (It keeps playing on my youtube… but here’s the next link)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxLmZtVFmwY

    Particularly like this starting about 1:30. The original Urlacher (reinforced about 3:00)

    And while I don’t agree with all the choices, the last one is a no-brainer

  • Irish Sweetness

    A comedic story from John Mulvaney (I just had a student introduce me to him today).
    Enjoy.

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