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ATM: Harold Landry Is The Best Player the Bears Aren’t Likely To Take

| March 28th, 2018

Boston College pass rusher Harold Landry projects as a dynamic player at a position of need for the Bears. While an ankle injury slowed him last year (before ending his season completely) he still managed 21.5 sacks and 30.5 tackles for loss in his last two seasons at BC. He also forced ten fumbles in his collegiate career and added an interception for good measure.

After dominating on the field, Landry put on a show at the combine last month. According to MockDraftable:

  • Landry tested in the 87th percentile or better in the 40-yard dash, vertical jump, three-cone drill, 20-yard shuttle and 60-yard shuttle.
  • His broad jump was in the 72nd percentile.
  • Many consider the agility drills to be the most important for pass rushers and Landry tested in the 91st percentile in 20-yard shuttle, 95th in three-cone drill and 99th in 60-yard shuttle.

That elite athleticism and shows on tape.



While his technique may still need some refinement, he’s incredibly active, bouncing around the edge and attacking offensive tackles before getting to the quarterback. He’s an impressive player to watch.

And the Bears will likely pass on Landry without a second thought. His arms are too short.

Look at the edge players on the Bears roster, or even players they’ve brought in during the three years Ryan Pace and Vic Fangio have been in Chicago. There is a wide range of heights, weights and athletic ability. But they all have long arms. Arms at least 33 inches long, to be exact.

Of twelve significant players the Bears have brought in over the last three years, none had shorter arms than Leonard Floyd’s 33.125 inches. Of the players for which arm length measurements are not available, the only one in-question is Mitch Unrein, brought in to be a stop-gap player for John Fox.

But this trend goes back further than the Bears. The 49ers drafted one player with arms shorter than 33 inches and he was an interior defensive lineman. From 2007, when Pace got his first big promotion to the Saints, until he left, they didn’t draft a single line of scrimmage defender whose arms were less than 33 inches long.

Combined with the Bears, 49ers and Saints, that is 24 players. 23 of which had arms that were at least 33 inches long, including all 13 edge players. Landry comes in at 32.875.

It seems crazy to pass on a player because of less than an inch, but it’s exactly what the Bears did with Vic Beasley and any number of potential pass-rushing prospects they haven’t taken. At this point, it seems clear to me that it’s sort of a pass/fail grade. Either you have the required length, or you don’t. Landry does not.

If you’re looking for a glimmer of hope that it might be a coincidence, you can look at the Saints after Pace left. They’ve drafted three players the last three years who have had shorter arms. If Pace is simply following the scouting methods he learned from Micky Loomis and Sean Payton, there’s reason to believe it’s just a coincidence that Pace hasn’t been around for short-armed players. Of course, that would be one hell of a coincidence.



There is also a chance that Landry’s arm measurements from the combine are just wrong. We see it every year where players measure differently at the Senior Bowl and the combine. If you research for long enough, you’ll hear stories about Joe Thomas’ arm length being listed wrong. It happens, probably quite a bit.

The lack of length doesn’t mean Landry won’t be a terrific player. He compares to Clay Matthews in how active and athletic he is and Matthews had even shorter arms. So do Beasley and Melvin Ingram and any number of other players.

But the Bears are like guys who dig redheads and redheads only. They have a type and they tend to stick to it.

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  • SC Dave

    “At this point, it seems clear to me that it’s sort of a pass/fail grade. Either you have the required length, or you don’t.”

    That’s what the redhead said.

    • It’s interesting to see where “situational” rushers go. Players who are athletic but are missing some metric like size, stats, etc.
      Bruce Irvin and Beasly come to mind. This guy Landry seems like them.

  • I don’t think they’re going to pass on Landry because his arms just miss that threshold.

    I think they’re going to pass on Landry because he’s a sack-or-bust player who’s a massive liability in the run game. He gets sacks, which definitely has value, but offers nothing else. Rarely pressures the QB outside of sacks because he always rushes upfield, so if he doesn’t win he just gets pushed out of the play.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Not really true. Per PFF, over the last two years he has averaged a disruption (which includes 64 hurries) once every 5.6 snaps. Bradley Chubb, meanwhile, has averaged a disruption (including 63 hurries) once every 6.9 snaps. PFF also grades Landry out pretty well in the run game and I tend to agree. While he may not be great at the point of attack, he’s very active and gets around defenders.

      • Bear Instincts

        So he is a pinball moving around with no sense of direction. If he gets luck then he gets luck

        • Andrew Dannehy

          He absolutely knows what he’s doing and it’s fun to watch. Not everybody has to stack blockers to be effective vs. the run.

      • I think Landry will be a good pass rusher in the pros, maybe the best in this class, but I also think he’s a situational guy. That’s steep with a top 10 pick, even when he does the most important defensive thing so well.

        I wouldn’t be mad about Landry as the pick, but I’m not mad they’re likely not picking him either.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          I mean, would you take Vic Beasley if you could do that draft again? He’s a situational rusher.

      • Irish Sweetness

        One out of 5 and a half snaps he has an impact? Pass.

        • On who, Chubb or Landry?

        • Andrew Dannehy

          Wait, are you being sarcastic or do you not understand how good that is?

    • SC Dave

      That has to be one of the more irritating “film study” videos I’ve ever seen.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Could they pass on him because Mr. Edmunds is still available…?

  • Bobby Douglass

    My arms are only 24″ long, but I make up for that with extraordinarily long fingers.

    • CanadaBear

      As long as mine are long enough to reach my wang, it’s all good!

      • Bobby Douglass

        No T-Rex for us!

      • Juan Stone

        Hahaha

      • AlbertInTucson

        Yep.

        Arm length.

        Why T-Rex was always so angry.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t know about that Al, he could fuck any dinosaur in the park he wanted to!

          • AlbertInTucson

            I bet he had trouble hooking up. Probably devoured more than 1 date.

      • Irish Sweetness

        As long as SOMEBODY’S fingers are long enough to reach …

  • NBIT (Not That Other Guy)

    Allow me to introduce to the world NBIT Jr. #4. Born Monday, 7 lbs 4 oz, 19.5 inches. Not sure the arm length tbh. After four kids, we remain an all boys family.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      Well done Sir. Congratulations!

    • CanadaBear

      Congrats New Bear! Hopefully mom and the baby are doing well.

    • Bear Instincts

      Congratulations Sir. Bear Down!!!

    • Juan Stone

      That’s alotta forskin. Hee hee

      Congrats on your newbee my man.

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      “he’s just another New Bear In Townnnnnnnnn, whoah oh, whoah oh, just another New Bear In Town…….”

    • willbest

      Congrats

    • SC Dave

      Congrats!

      My parents went for one more, and still ended up with all boys.

      Just sayin’…

    • Irish Sweetness

      I like the new handle NBIT! Long life and happiness to all.

    • AlbertInTucson

      4?

      Wow.

      We had ONE.

      I have no idea how people afford more.

      2 Grand kids will be it, too.

      Congratulations.

    • Congratz, NB. One more and u got urself a basketball team!

  • Bear Instincts

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/28/eagles-owner-still-amazed-by-super-bowl-reactions/

    Said Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie, “One of my dreams was to be able to win the Super Bowl while my mom could still enjoy it, and she’s 90, it’s the first time she’s been out of her house and out of her neighborhood in a couple of years,” he said. “She was able to make it on Saturday to Minneapolis and be with me for the Super Bowl, and afterward, she partied till 2 in the morning”. . . you hear that George H. McCaskey time is running out for Mama Bear.

    • ButtonShoes

      If there’s one thing Mama Bear couldn’t give a shit about, it’s winning the Super Bowl. My proof of this: her entire tenure as owner of the Bears.

      • EnderWiggin

        I usually take your pessimistic nature in stride, but this is one of the dumbest things you’ve written.

        • SC Dave

          I’m afraid to look, since that’s a high bar.

        • ButtonShoes

          I go by results rather than intentions.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Does that mean I don’t want to be a millionaire, because I’m not a millionaire? That’s like the opposite of logic.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    In my opinion there are only 2 types of red head chicks: Terribly ugly gingery mutants, and super hot ones. Nothing in between. You never see an average looking red head.

    • Juan Stone

      Jess! They are both a beaury and a terror to behold. Selah!

      • EnderWiggin

        “You know nothing, Juan Stone.” ~ Almost Ygritte

    • SC Dave

      Don’t agree, U guess. Though the most gorgeous women I have ever seen in person are redheads. And the competition is not close

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Don’t agree. I’ve dated a few “average” looking red heads. But I am a sucker for them

  • SC Dave
  • AlbertInTucson

    So, the Giants are looking to unload OBJ.

    Good luck with that since he is on the last year of his contract and has announced that he wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “31 teams should be calling to do this. If he ends up in Green Bay I will scream.”

      A 1st and a 3rd or a 4th for a guy on a 1 year deal who then wants to break the bank…?

      Add in the fact that the guy is an emotional Circus Side Show and coming off ankle surgery.

      No, thank you.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
        • AlbertInTucson

          The 1st and 3rd is a pipe dream, let alone 2 #1s.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I ssuspect anyone willing to offer 2 #1s for ODB has had one too many Guinness.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I hope he ends up in GB.

        You just bracket him with two DBs and he disappears completely … after beating himself up and taking himself out of the game mentally. Of course Vic Fangio doesn’t double anyone …. he’s too smart and clever and all-knowing for that … so …

        • AlbertInTucson

          Not only that, but Rodgers is not Mr. Marshmellow on the sidelines like Eli.

          Aaron, often, happily makes sure everyone knows HE wasn’t at fault if something goes bad.

          How do you think ODB will take havIng the finger of being pointed at him for a bad play?

          Not well, I suspect.

          And If the Packers want to flush two #1s on a live grenade, I say, let ‘em.

  • SC Dave

    “On the rare occasions White has been healthy, he has shown the traits
    that convinced the Bears to select him with the seventh pick in the 2015
    draft. He opened the 2016 season with 19 receptions in the first four
    games, the most ever by a Bears player in his first four NFL contests.”

    Ha ha ha ha! Larry the Shill is at it again. They *force fed* the guy on short stuff, and he caught 19 of 36 targets.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’m seeing a lot of stats and metrics being thrown about.

    What were Reggie White’s numbers? Lawrence Taylor’s? Steve Largeant’s. If anyone bases a draft pick on numbers then they’re completely missing the point. Is the guy a baller? Can he play? Does he affect what goes on around him? Percentiles schmershmentiles.

  • Irish Sweetness

    So Stephen Hawking passed away.

    I shall remember him for:

    1. Hawking radiation. For being at parties when someone says “nothing can escape from a black hole …”

    2. Making grandstand appearances at science conventions, uttering outrageous and unprovable statements, and then quickly disappearing again.

    3. Somehow managing to cheat on his wife whilst being wheelchair-bound. That should be number one really …

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