Across The Middle: Does Vic Want To Play Chess?

| April 4th, 2018

Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio hasn’t shown a lot of creativity when it comes to how he uses his players, but that just might change if the draft breaks the way many expect. Because if three quarterbacks are taken ahead of the Bears – with Bradley Chubb, Quenton Nelson and Saquon Barkley also going – the best players Ryan Pace might be looking at are versatile defensive backs Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick.

It isn’t really fair or accurate to pigeon hole James or Fitzpatrick as safeties. They both played in the box, as slot corners or nickel linebackers, a significant amount. (An argument can be made that’s where they were at their best.) The Bears would be able to start either player at safety and move them down in sub-packages.

They’d be closer to the line of scrimmage more often than not, but the Bears have never used a player like them under Fangio.

Fangio has had chances to use extra safeties. He just hasn’t.

Adrian Amos and Quintin Demps played a combined one defensive snap in the first two games, when both were healthy. A nickel linebacker role seemed perfect for a player like Harold Jones-Quartey. The Bears never explored it.

The closest they came last year was during an injured period for Bryce Callahan. Then Fangio used Sherrick McManis and DeAndre Houston-Carson in the slot at times. Both are bigger players than either Callahan or Cre’Von LeBlanc and they were used primarily to blitz because neither can cover.

The Bears actually blitzed their slot corners a fair amount — roughly 50 times, according to PFF — so there would be value in having a bigger player who can hold up better against the run, cover tight ends and still cover slot receivers.

Fangio’s mentor, Dom Capers, made a lot of players careers by using them in the exact role in which either James or Fitzpatrick would excel. Charles Woodson, Micah Hyde and Morgan Burnett all played essentially as rovers, covering slot receivers, tight ends and running backs when they weren’t going after the quarterback.

Defensive back isn’t the Bears biggest need — especially if Callahan returns — but it just might be where they can add the most impactful player to an already top-10 unit. Both Fitzpatrick and James would allow Fangio more flexibility and ways to confuse opposing offenses. The end result would surely be more takeaways.

Both Fitzpatrick and James are chess pieces, unlike any we have seen in a Bears uniform under Fangio and unlike any Fangio had in San Francisco. They might not be perfect fits as far as position needs, but if the goal is to add the best players they can, the Bears should strongly consider taking either player and figure out how to use them.

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  • Fangio, chess? Be lucky to get him to play tic-tac-toe.

    His scheme is like Lovie’s. It’s not based on creativity, guile or aggression, rather execution.

    Donte “Hitner” was his SS (Amos) in SF. Didn’t even draft him, the Bills did.
    Dashon Goldson was his FS. Drafted in the 4rth (more or less like Jackson)

    Fangio, like Lovie, doesn’t really care about S IMO.

    Focus is on that front 7.

    Doubt Pace goes for either of these guys based on that premise.

    Am surprised to read he blitz that much from the nickle.

    But McMannis is back, so the McMannis package lives on…

    • SC Dave

      All of football is about execution.

      • Irish Sweetness

        End of. Execution. Absolutely.

        And GSH used to get it by practicing like you played. Practice like a pussy ….

        Make all the arguments for player safety and health that one will, but if you want the execution then you have to practice it that way. Muscle memory. Like the man said. Practice like you play. To get perfect at something you practice it. Over and over.

        And you know who demanded it of his players just like GSH? Mike fucking Ditka. He gets railed on here, but he won us the only superbowl we have in going on 60 years.

        We need the Monsters back. There’s a recipe for that, and Fangio ain’t no chef.

        • CanadaBear

          You know who else had practices like that? Foxy! How did that work out? Some of the injury tsunami can be traced back to that foolish shit.

      • Yes, but some Ds are more creative and aggressive. We all remember Polamalu just wreaking havoc. No one knew where that steelers D was gonna blitz.
        The Pats D has been rather flexible. They even ran an “amoeba’ D where only Wilfork was set while everyone else was standing up, thus diguising their attack.
        There’s all kinds of schemes and subpackages a DC can roll out. Fangio simply doesnt.

        To be fair, he’s not as rigid as Lovie was (did a S even blitz once in his entire tenure?) , but Fangio’s never gonna be coined an aggressive innovator.

        Every once in a while, Fangio will shift to a 4-3 under, or blitz the nickle, lb,S etc, but he mostly sticks to his base, for better or worse.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Lovie’s defense worked because he had a beast at Mike that could drop back and play like a safety because he was a safety. And he had Tommie Harris taking out the dude in front of him, and Peanut punching balls out … and Mike Brown taking care of business. Lovie wouldn’t get a tune out of this kazoo.

    • The 49ers also invested 1st round draft picks in 2 safeties (Eric Reid and Jimmie Ward) while Fangio was there. That D was built around the front 7 and S, CBs were the afterthoughts. Ward was actually quite similar stylistically to both James and Fitpatrick as a versatile chess piece.

      I think it’s more that Fangio hasn’t done that in Chicago because he hasn’t had the pieces to. Demps got injured pretty quickly last year, HJQ sucked.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I still don’t understand how he gets all this magical credit for those players being good.
        He was a byproduct of what he had given to him, and they may well have been a lot better given how much he’s disappointed me in his time here.

        And it’s only chess on paper. That’s how Fangio sees it. On the field, it’s war, and it’s violent and base. Did he ever play football himself? East Stroudsburg? WTF kind of college is that?

        • SC Dave

          I still don’t understand how Ditka gets all this magical credit for those players being good.

          He was a byproduct of what he had given to him.

          • BenderMcLugh

            he let them party

        • Michael Bradbury

          Where the hell have you been sticking your head to not have been impressed with the turnaround he’s made in his time HERE. We didn’t have SHIT.
          Get a F***ing clue please. (probably a golden doomer)

        • I’m not saying he maximized those players or giving him credit for them being good; that’s a separate conversation. I’m just saying that there is a history of strong S investment for Fangio’s defenses, even for 3 safeties at a time.

      • catfish44

        got to have the players.

  • Irish Sweetness

    If Fangio plays chess, he does it like me. Badly. Sets up the defense at the back like the German lines on Normandy. Build your impregnable fort … only to get fucked by a strategic attack exploiting your very weakness.

    What is his shtick anyway? Not pressuring your opponent …. because it forces them to … successfully run their play unhindered?

    If we draft Edmunds I’m afraid Fangio will have him running around in circles thinking too much.

    Year one program for Tre. Shoot the A-gap. If in doubt, Shoot the A-gap. The QB is not tossing that thing over your head. With Tre’s body the QB is either flat on his back or a RB is getting stuffed for a loss or fumble. The offense is forced to deal with you – and are still not guaranteed in stopping him – but if they don’t … you change games. It requires no thinking and there is no hesitation. Use his current talents in a low risk environment. It’s a no-brainer. Cut him loose for his rookie year. Break records.

    Fangio would never do that. He’s a goon. He has no respect for the history he’s in charge of making. Where are the Monsters?? He’ll give Tre too much to do and think about. Kid is 19 FFS.

    • SC Dave

      1985 was a long time ago, Irish. Get over it.

      • Irish Sweetness


        My team needs to give me something in order to get over it. Like a super bowl.

    • CanadaBear

      Top 10 D without one pro bowl player. Yeah, he’s killing the Bears. Why are you so unconditionally in love with Samurai? Please show me where his coaching has made a difference (in a good way). We know he can’t be a successful HC and I haven’t heard even one player say that he was a good position coach. Not one.

      • Big Mike

        Irish only likes sacks. 🙂

        • CanadaBear

          They even had a decent year there.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Pressure. With some violence.

      • willbest

        Hicks was jobbed. So 1 pro-bowl player. But your point still stands. He has had to do a lot with very little, and without the benefit of an offense that can sustain long drives.

        • CanadaBear

          Hicks was definitely robbed.

        • BerwynBomber

          Was Hicks? Not that he wasn’t deserving but I vaguely remember the guys before him had as good as or better than seasons.

          Might be smart if the Pro Bowl had an honorable mention category. Hicks would have assuredly made that, and Tillman would have racked up more than a few in his heyday.

          • willbest

            Well Bleacher rated him the top 3-4 DE of 2017 so, yes I would say he got screwed. Even if you want to argue he wasn’t the best I would think you would have issues finding 4 better than him.

            The issue though is that I suspect the pro-bowl selection is skewed towards big plays which favor 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLBs over 3-4 DEs and 4-3 OLBs.


          • BerwynBomber

            Lawrence, Griffen, Jordan and Bennett were selected over Hicks. I wouldn’t really call that being jobbed. Just a tough crowd. (Though maybe Bennett rode in on some rep.)

            Valid point about 4-3 vs. 3-4 and vice-versa.

          • Absolutely. Being a 3-4 DE is a grind and little recognized lest ur named Watt.

            But the elephant in the room is – is it the chicken or egg?

            Do we not field PBers because Pace doesn’t provide Fangio w elite talent (esp thru FA) or because Fangio cant squeeze the most from said talent ?

            ( or are both subpar?)

          • David

            No it is a popularity vote completely. They showed Hicks stats and he had more sacks, TFLs, and tackles than all of the other 3-4 DEs or 4-3 DTs that were selected ahead of him in the NFC. That was a definition of Robbery.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Who mentioned HC C-Bear? Linebacker coach. Tell me he can’t do that. We know he can do that.

        • SC Dave

          No, we don’t.

      • disqus_bFVHzTHo3Z

        Actually he was starting to turn st around before The baugh got there. He was pissed he got let whrn the d was starting to hit people.

      • David

        With half the defense with plug and play next man up players. Multiple 3rd string players by the year’s end. Yeah he sucks. Fangio you should honestly call Irish Sweety. He could really teach you a thing or 2 about coaching. SMH

    • David

      Why aren’t you the D coordinator. Gee you have it ALL figured out. And “Tre” would need to diagnose the play before he knows what direction to run in that straight line. The so called “Tre” (as if you know him) is the flavor of the month. He truly isn’t going to be some all world football player. He doesn’t diagnose plays well at all. Often completely out of the play, never jumped off the TV screen when watching VA Tech play (watched MANY games as I am a resident of the state), and nobody knows where to play him ILB, OLB ? He certainly isn’t an OLB because when he did blitz the edge he stunk at it. Fangio’s a goon? You are a goon.

  • Michael Bradbury

    If you can add a playmaker like Fitzpatrick you JUMP>

  • BerwynBomber

    I like the concept and the future is upon us as it pertains to the “nickel LB”. Of the two, Fitzpatrick is more polished, and James has the higher ceiling, IMO. But I do wonder where Amos fits into this. Or if we move him into the 3rd down “nickel LB” and move a James or Fitzpatrick into the slot or in a more free-wheeling roaming role.

    Btw, don’t know if Capers’ usage was all that. His one stroke of “genius” up there was his utilization of Woodson. But Woodson was a phenomenal talent. A boundary CB who could set an edge, rush the passer, cover the opposing team’s #1 WR, return punts (in his early years) and play both traditional safety positions.

    The rest of the guys mentioned are versatile safeties although there is talk that Fitzpatrick is gifted enough to succeed as a full-time slot CB. But you wouldn’t want them manning up on wideouts for a living.

    P.S. If we select a guy like James, the GB guy I would look for as a template for Amos would be Joe Thomas. He was a big-hitting safety they successfully used as a 3rd down LB much like Buchanon out in ARI, albeit Buchanan eventually became a full-time LB if not mistaken.

  • BenderMcLugh

    I can’t see either of these two being the pick @8 if Edmunds is on the board. He brings the same traits to the table doesn’t he? I’m sure Pace is leaving it up to Fangio if they go D though. Someone last year on here said that safeties don’t get drafted in the Top 10. Still true?

    • BerwynBomber

      I think it would be Edmunds too. But both James and Fitzpatrick are highly regarded, so if Pace picked one, I don’t know if it would be a complete WTF pick.

      • BenderMcLugh

        is it draft time yet?

        • BerwynBomber

          I hear ya. Wasn’t it usually next weekend before they moved it to the first of May?
          I remember it as early April but they probably avoided the Masters is my guess.

          • David

            It’s the end of April. April 26 to be exact.

    • Safeties not named Earl Thomas or Berry usu dont get drafted top 10.
      They have to be near perfect prospects. Great measurables, combine, experience, no red flags (Hooker fell last yr due to INJ flags), and most importantly, awesome tape with lots of INTs and impact plays.

      No S really fits that in this draft though James’ freakish athleticism surely will tempt a GM

  • Big Mike

    Waiting for the schedule to come out to book my Chicago trip. I’ve only missed 1 year (yr 2 of Trestman era). Last year I went only because of a business trip, I was rewarded with a 15-14 loss to the 49ers. I won’t go into details about how awful that game was…

    Bears are going to be in the SB within 5 years.

    • CanadaBear

      Really no reason to recap that game. Ugh! I’m thinking 8-8 this year and with a lot of luck and good planning, the playoffs after that.

    • beninnorcal

      I live in SF and have family in Scottsdale. The Bears will be playing on the road against the niners and the Cards, I plan to be at both games.

      • 505Bears

        Definitely headed to the Cards game. That one usually has a ton of Bears fans. I think there will be about 6 of us going to that one from the 505

      • Big Mike

        I live in DC, so I make 2 trips almost every year. 1 home and 1 away game. Been doing this for almost 20 years. I’ve only gone to 2 away games since Lovie (2 out of 5). 1 in Trestmans first year and 1 in Fox’s 2nd year. I saw them lose to the Redskins 45-41 in Trestman’s first year. I knew at that moment that the Bears were going to be awful for a while. Conte tumbled to the turf to give up a hail mary touchdown. The skins rushed for 200 yards, gave up 28 first downs and 500 yards. Then I saw them lose to the Bucaneers 40-10 or something like that in a giant give up who gives a fuck effort. Cutler had a QBR under 10. He had two picks lost a fumble bears were on offense for about a third of the game. I decided then I wasn’t going to any more away games until they found their heart.

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      • Sactowns#1

        I’ll be at the game in Santa Clara for sure. Let’s plan to meet up and tailgate… if there is such a thing out there in that wasteland, hellscape.

    • Did u wear ur Gould jersey?

      • Big Mike

        I believe I had a Kyle Long jersey on that day. It was a gorgeous day for football in Chicago. It was 50+ and sunny. Which for a Chicagoan is shorts and a sweatshirt weather. The tailgating was intense. A bloody mary competition broke out that morning, we had seats in the first 10 rows of the 400 level near midfield. Absolute perfect viewing conditions. Flasks smuggled in, great friends and the Bears defense was simply fantastic. SF had the ball for 40 minutes. They had first down after first down. The Bears offense was.. I don’t know what. I will tell you by late in Q3, people were going to piss when the Bears had the ball. That never happens.

        In the end it led to more drinking

        • Hey, Big M, have u checked out Will Hernandez or Billy Price?

          Think Hernandez might not fit our mold, but Price almost looks like a Long clone.

          Lemme know what u think, esp Price cuz he may fall to late 2nd due to torn pec

          • Big Mike

            I do know these players. I’m a big ten football fan and Ohio State always captures my attention for a few games a year. The pec injury shouldn’t get in the way of his rookie season, but also might drop his draft status. Price is a player who has gotten better each season. He had a chance to be drafted last year, but went back for his Senior YR. So many times we hear about players doing that and taking a step backwards. Often that’s because they try to do to much. Price went about his business and got better. All three seasons he played he improved his pass blocking. (it wasn’t ever bad, but it was the weakest part of his game). He’s equally comfortable at C or G. Most draft boards have him near the top of the list at C and G. He’s the top Center at walterfootball. The other thing about Price is the quality of opponent’s he’s faced. Ohio State has Strength of Schedule that is top 5-10 in the nation every year. He’s already played against guys that are in the NFL. Ohio State always has a good offensive line. Since 2014 they’ve sent 3-4 guys into the NFL who have started. Two of those have started day 1 in the NFL at Center.
            Corey Linsley (Packers) and Pat Elfein (Vikings). Here’s good video on Price https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTPS7Dzc3w. He’s also only 22. Problem for the Bears is if they don’t take him in the 2nd round, they have to wait until the 4th round. If he is there at 4 he’s a Jordan Howard size steal.

            A lot of people have Hernandez graded higher. Don’t get me wrong he is a very good player. But he did it all at UTEP. Ohio State had the 2nd toughest schedule last year, UTEPs was 199. So while Hernandez was competing against Rice, UTSA, North Texas…Price was working against Clemson, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State. They had one common opponent. Both played against Oklahoma. Ohio State buried Oklahoma 45-24. UTEP was clobbered 56-7. But Hernandez was as dominant as you can be as a guard, whose team is getting waxed. Hernandez could get drafted before Price because of the injury. He’s a mauler. Hard to tell if his struggles in pass pro are based on the fact that he’s playing next to guys who aren’t real good.

      • Big Mike

        Also Tarik Cohen….. 🙂

    • Irish Sweetness

      Not interested in being there Mike. Been there before.


  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Fangio gets credit because the defense was AWFUL before him.

    Not saying he deserves the credit. But it was a hell of a turn around.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      From awful to top 10… yeah we should not give him any credit.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Top 10 says who? What categories?

        Eyeball test.

        We are not monsters.

    • He’s a good DC, and compared to Tucker, a god damn genius.
      But is he great? Does Fangio make great half time adjustments? Does he neutralize their greatest weapon? Does his D take over or win games? Create sacks or TOs in the crunch?

      I feel that he’s too passive at times like lovie (ugh, the Lovie prevent)

      And like Lovie, Fangio is not all that flexible or creative, so if the base pass rushers dont pressure, that’s pretty much it.

      However, at least Lovie’s D created a shitload of TOs and often carried them to Ws.

      So i kinda hear what Irish is saying.

      I’m hoping Fangio has an understudy who will replace him in a couple yrs.

      An understudy who will take Fangio’s principles to a new level that is a tad more aggressive, like Chico under Lovie (some argue that if Lovie listened to Chico , they’d have a SB ring)

      • I feel like Fangio is too passive, but he also does adjust well. As Andrew has pointed out, the defense always starts slow, but does much better once they get a feel for what the other offense is doing and adjusts.

        • Yeah, but we don’t need the Fox zombies still coming out on D .
          Say what we will about Lovie, but those guys came out like rabid animals from the start.

          It seems like our entire team sleep walks thru the first half.

          It’s up to Fangio to get those guys pumped and primed from go.

          All that being said, Fangio’s Ds do keep ppl from scoring, but it’s like death by a thousand paper cuts whilw our O watches from the sidelines

          • The D was much more aggressive last year in Trubisky’s first 4 starts. Not necessarily in terms of play calling, but in terms of how they played. Their attitude, if you will. They played to go make plays, not avoid giving them up.

            Then they shifted back to their usual selves after the bye.

            Here’s my theory on that: they saw Mitch looking good running scout team (aka other offenses) in the first 4 weeks, and thought he would bring that playmaking ability to their offense now. Fired up, played like it on the field.

            Then reality set in as they forced Mitch into their shitty offense, and the D fell back into “don’t lose the game” mentality. I think we could see more of that 4 week stretch (when they were one of the top 5 defenses in the NFL) this year if the offense can carry more of their weight and let the defense play more freely.

          • BuddhaJoe

            The question for me is if he gets more agressive when he has more trust in his secondary. Couldn’t blame him for not blitzing when a one-legged Tracy Porter was your best DB.

          • leftcoastdave

            And not have the big uglies in trenches sucking for air in the fourth quarter.

          • leftcoastdave

            And that was the best place for the O to be last year.

  • Bear Instincts

    Josh Bellamy is ban in the fold…wonder whats taking Cam so long?

    • CanadaBear

      He’s shopping til he’s dropping. No bites so far.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Cam’s getting visits. Bellamy wasn’t.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • Sactowns#1

      Dont worry man, this jewelry is a solid investment which will go up in value once its been used and worn.
      Brees should be embarrassed for being so gullible. I would hide my shame if I were him, not make it public.

      • AlbertInTucson

        And he is, supposedly, suing because he’s having “cash flow problems”?!?!

        Aren’t QBs supposed to be smart?

        Personally, I don’t get the whole bling thing.

        Maybe he’s following Kobe’s strategy.

        Wife catches him, “en flagrante” and he had to buy her back with a giant bauble?

        • CanadaBear

          Gotta love those “don’t divorce me” purchases!

  • BerwynBomber

    BAL signs RG3.

    • Sactowns#1

      Sure, there’s no ban on Kaep. I totally believe that.

      • AlbertInTucson

        No sympathy.

        Kaep made himself radioactive.

        He’s not good enough to take on his baggage.

        • Sactowns#1

          What baggage is that? Angering old bigots who just want him to dance? Let them leave, if the league owners were principled that is.

          • AlbertInTucson

            You think he’s a hero.

            I think he’s ignorant and being manipulated.

            So, we disagree.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Not sure about that. When he has been interviewed he came off as very knowledgeable and articulate.

          • AlbertInTucson

            That’s why he wore the Fidel Castro shirt.

          • John F

            Wow, you are pretty judgemental.

            Just because Castro murdered a few thousand people and banned all political parties and a free press, I heard he was a really nice guy.

          • AlbertInTucson

            He was magician. He made time stand still in Cuba. I think it may STILL be 1958 down there.

          • disqus_bFVHzTHo3Z

            Next you will tell me what Cuba use to do to homosexuals and the mentally retarded. Hint it rhymes with mullet.

          • AlbertInTucson

            More magic! he made all those folks, at a lot more, just disappear!

          • Sactowns#1

            Not a hero per say. Just a man who wanted to make a small gesture and bring attention to something he believes in.

          • John F

            He protested something at his workplace, if I did that I would be fired immediately.

          • Sactowns#1

            If you didn’t stand for the anthem you would be fired? Man you would have a sweet lawsuit against that employer and get paid! Do it!

          • John F

            If I walked around my office with banners and placards with my fist in the air protesting whatever injustice, I would be fired. I have a first amendment right to do those things, just not at my workplace during work hours. My employer would have the right to fire me. I can do it in a public place on my own time and be fine.

          • Sactowns#1

            Cool. Did Kaep walk around with banners and placards protesting “whatever injustice’? No? Then your statement is irrelevant.

          • John F

            Go call a lawyer – you don’t have the right to protest at work during work hours, period.

          • Sactowns#1

            Your claim that you could be fired for not saluting the flag, standing for it, whatever, is patently false. You can make an argument without spreading falsehoods.

          • disqus_bFVHzTHo3Z

            Yawn. So I took a shit on a MLK statue to make a point. I’m not a hero I just wanted to bring attention to animal abuse.

          • disqus_bFVHzTHo3Z

            I am 33 and it pisses me the fuck off. If I disrespected MLK every black person would dump his pants but you have the audacity to say we are bigots because we respect the flag Americans died for. Maybe some people just have no respect and expect honey when all they give is salt. Hmmmmmm

        • In honor of MLKs 50th, 7 out of 10 “americans” viewed MLK unfavorably in 1966.
          Ali was banned from boxing.

          You’re right; standing up for justice does have consequences.

          • John F

            You’re right; standing up for justice does have consequences.

            This has been lost on many people today. They want to say or do anything they want …….. consequence-free.

            Life doesn’t work that way ………………

          • AlbertInTucson

            Kaepernick as MLK?


          • Did u agree w Ali getting banned from boxing at the time?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Then, yes. But I was an ignorant youth at that time.

          • John F

            Let’s make sure everybody is clear on what actually happened with Ali. He refused to report after being drafted, he was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to 5 years prison and a 10k fine. That’s why he was banned from boxing. He could have reported and stated that he was a conscientious objector based on his religious beliefs. He would have had to serve but could not be forced to bear arms.

            He was banned because he broke what was the law at that time.

          • Can a Muslim be a conscientous objector? I thought only certain specific religions were allowed that (like Amish or Jehovahs).

            Also, serving for that war in ANY capacity Ali deemed wrong.

            As Ali infamously stated , ” No vietnamese boy ever called me n***er'”

            History has proven he was right.

            Just goes to show – just because it’s “lawful “doesnt make it just.

            But standing up for your beliefs amid a reactionary america always has consequences.

          • SC Dave

            He was, after all, convicted of draft evasion.

          • Draft evasion of an unjust war.

          • disqus_bFVHzTHo3Z

            Bro no war is just stop backing up a pussy pants America hating bigot. That’s what Kap is and so was Ali. Anyone who thinks they are hero’s have the same hate inside them. The nation of Islam is a Jew hating hate group where women were raped by the so called profit. They tell us of the evil white man yet history tells us the brown man helped destroy Africa’s empires and turned a people of nature and the earth to a 3rd world country. Yes a few African states were taken over by Europeans but The Arabic people long before that conquered Africa and sent a country that once had empires almost as big as Alexander the greats into the stone age. A little food for thought.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Watch out when you start looking at history, mainly because history is usually written from the victors’ perspective. Hundreds of Indian Nations would like to point out that they were destroyed by evil white men and forced to live in 3rd world conditions. The US was/is an Indian Hating group who slaughtered innocent Indian women and children because it was our “destiny”.

            The problem is some people see something they don’t understand or like and immediately take offense to it. They see it as an affront to their beliefs, but don’t take the time to listen and learn the meanings behind it. Both Ali and Kap had their beliefs and they were willing to take action and stand/sit/kneel for them.

            Yet you call them bigots. Maybe you should get a dictionary and look up the meaning of bigot. I will help you out it means “a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.” Tell me who the bigot is here.

            A little food for thought.

          • No war is just? Perhaps no war is perfectly just, but American revolution, civil war (from northern side), WWI , WW2…were more just than Vietnam.

            Even in modern terms, if you compare Afghanistan to the “WMDs” of Iraq, seems like the latter was bunk. Btw i have a cousin who was in both and he says the same.

            So yeah, there’s plenty of bullshit wars. Lincoln himself said the Mex-Am war was a blantant unconstitutional war of aggression and land grab ( in the sea to shining sea tradition), so it’s ok to not be a sheep and question government motives for war.

            Or u can just google Gulf of Tonkin or Trail of Tears or WMDs and decide for yourself.

          • disqus_bFVHzTHo3Z

            I also agree Ali was kind of a loud mouth asshole who tried to get banned to have a lawsuit just like someone with a bad arm and a big afro.

      • BerwynBomber

        Kap’s a ton of noise. RG3 isn’t.

        If BAL cuts RG3, no big deal. They cut Kap it’s a media firestorm.

        Plus, didn’t Kap’s GF call the BAL owner a slave runner? Probably not the best way to get a job.

        • evantonio

          Kap’s an NFL caliber QB. RG3 isn’t.

          If BAL plays RG3, no points scored. They play Kap it’s a competitive game.

          I’ve got nothing for your third line. 🙂

          • BerwynBomber

            You got nothing for my first two either.

            I wasn’t talking who was better. I was talking what type of headache any team wants to assume for a back-up QB.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I think you must have missed Kaps last stretch of games before he got benched.

          • evantonio

            16 TD / 4 INT in 12 games in 2016.

            6 TD / 1 INT in the last 4 games of 2016.

            QB ratings of 84.3, 95.9, 101.9, 122.3

            What am I missing?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            He went from 8-8 to 2-6 to 1-10 in his last three seasons. His QBR went from 60, to 43, to 49.

            Bottom line. He stopped winning, and stopped being good at football once the league sorted out his RPO gimmick.

            He’s just not that good at football anymore. I don’t begrudge him his political freedoms at all. He should do what he feels is the right thing to do regardless of sports. He’s got the cache now to just be an activist and get paid for it. So do it.

            But he’s not good enough at football to complain when other QBs get signed. He has zero upside on the field.

          • evantonio

            16 TD / 4 INT in his last season, with 6 TD / 1 INT in the last 4 games he played. Why does that not count for something?

            Mike Glennon has zero upside. CK has more than that.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            First off, Mike Glennon sucks balls. But do you realize his completion percentage in Chicago last season was four percentage points higher than Kap’s bat season? And Glennon got a shot because he posted a mid 90s QBR in Tampa. Kap never got higher than the mid 70s. So Glennon got a shot. Turns out the numbers were a mirage. Kap played enough football for everybody to see he’s a shitty passer. And all that was needed to beat him was to pound the shit out of him once he took off with the ball.

            As for his stats you mention above, they do count. They’re the only reason he’s ever even mentioned anymore. But they don’t offset the rest of his measurables. He’s just not going to win you games anymore with his legs, the league won’t let him. And he’s not a good enough passer to win games with his arm. So, he sits. I’m sure his activism doesn’t help. But he’s not good enough for it to really be a deal breaker anywhere. If he were able to win games in the NFL, he’d still have a job.

          • evantonio

            Yes, Mike Glennon sucks balls. But Mike Glennon got 18 million last year and is signed as a backup this year.

            Kaep averaged 6.8 yards a rush in 2016. That’s not a nice to have in your backup QB?

            “If he were able to win games, he’d still be in the NFL.”

            That’s horse shit and you know it. Backup QBs aren’t there because you’re confident they can win you games. They’re there because you’re confident they won’t completely shit the bed when they come in (unless we’re looking at the Bears’ history of backups – shitting the bed seemed to be the requisite).

            Check out this Washington Post chart comparing Kap to other QBs’ play last season. He’s middle of the pack. If he didn’t kneel, he’d be on a team. Why does it hurt so much to admit that? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/sports/kaepernick-tracker/?utm_term=.fbfffb053d2c

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Man you got me all wrong if you think I’m against him. I’m not. I’m indifferent. And as i said above, Kneeling didn’t help him.

            I guess in a nutshell, my point is this; he’s not good ENOUGH, to be bitching. He lost a shit ton of games down the stretch.

            Is it unfair? Yeah maybe. But it’s closer to 10% unfair and 90% he’s not good at football. He can’t throw. Kind of a requirement.

            To me, he’s Tim Tebow to Jesus’s Russell Wilson. If Tebow could play, (didn’t he get to an AFC Championship game?) he could Jesus away.

            But he can’t. So he’s out. But Wilson can, and still gets his Jesus on. Though not nearly as much as he used to.

            If you want to believe it’s all about politics and race, that’s up to you. I just don’t think it is.

          • evantonio

            I don’t think it’s about race.

            Had he not kneeled, he’d still be in the league.

            If he was a much better QB, he’d still be in the league regardless of the kneeling because some team would think his talent was worth the PR headache.

            But since the kneeling, and not his talent, is what’s keeping him out while dudes like Glennon and Bear Killer Hundley are signed, I do think it’s 100% politics.

            As far as Tebow goes, he’s out because he can’t play. Not because of Jesus. The NFL loves it some Jesus.

      • beninnorcal

        Kaep sucks, see exhibit A.: his last game against the Bears. He is done. And if he is banned, who cares, exactly?

  • leftcoastdave

    Here’s trade talk I like: Chandler Jones from AZ plus another second (47) to swap 8 with 15. Fills a need at Edge and get another high pick.


    • Irish Sweetness

      Top pass rusher … just turned 28 though.

      For example, do you want to give up the chance to draft a 19 year old freak … or get a 28 year old with a lot more miles and surgeries on him?

    • SC Dave

      Looks like a fantasy of some blogger.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That deal looks too good to be true.

    • Nah.
      I’m always suspicious of any players Pats dump

  • In random odd moves.
    Jordan Howard apparently deleted all his Bears pics on IG.

    Break up, or much a do?…

    Trading him might be a way for Pace to recoup his 3rd.

    Wonder if he’s still on the trade block esp on draft day.

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      Saquon? Haha, Irish would be fucking relentless if that happened. We’d have to change our world views about everything.

      • BerwynBomber

        On the flip side, Dave would go absolutely apeshit if we trade Howard.
        Howard/Nagy would be Olsen/Martz 2.0.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          I don’t love howard and I don’t think he scares any DC out there. I also don’t think it’s a good idea to get rid of him while he’s on his rookie deal for a 3rd round pick/unknown.
          Howard is the perfect running back for the Bears in 1998.

      • SCs head will blow up like that anchor in Scanners.
        Would a Marshal Faulk clone in a WCO help Trub?
        And there’s other tasty HB besides Saquon. Like Ronald Jones

        V for victory!


        • AlbertInTucson

          A SCANNERS reference!

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  • ManGod

    Why do all you Defensive Morons want M Fitzpatrick….have any of you ever heard of or watched Vita Vea play? Can you imagine a front 3 of Vea, Goldman and Hicks? Want to give opposition QB’s a nightmare before they even get on the field….draft Vita Vea if Nelson and Chubb are gone before #8. Then take the BPA at OG with the top 2nd round selection….after that you can select anyone you want in the 4th (2), 5th (where several good players have been found) and get some vital ST players in the 6th/7th. What is the best way to improve you outside rush, generate a consistent push and backfield disruption with your front 3/4….and the sacks will follow like hot fudge over ice cream.

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