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Across The Middle: Bears Should Think Bigger Than Chiefs

| February 14th, 2018

When Matt Nagy was hired as Bears head coach, comparisons to Kansas City – both their talent and approach – were immediately made by fans and media alike. How would the Bears find their version of Chiefs Player X? Who would the Bears target to run Chiefs Concept Y? But the Bears should be thinking bigger — literally and figuratively.

As exciting as Kansas City’s offense was last year, they were relatively easy to defend when the field shortened and their speed became less of a factor. The result was a shockingly bad red zone team. After ranking 30th in red zone scoring % in 2016, the team only increased to 29th last year. These were the two seasons Nagy has had at least a share of the offensive coordinator tittle.

In those two years, Kansas City scored on just 43.8% of their red zone trips. And it wasn’t like they had a bad kicker — their kickers made 47-of-51 attempts from 39 yards or less. They just couldn’t get into the end zone.

Over the same stretch under Dowell Loggains, the Bears scored on 55% of their red zone attempts. While the Bears had 23 fewer trips inside the red zone, they only managed one less score.

Conventional wisdom blames either the coach or quarterback for such struggles but both Andy Reid and Alex Smith have had success, including top-10 red zone units in 2013 and 2014. The real reason is likely their lack of size at receiver.

Out of Kansas City’s five leading pass catchers in 2016, only two measured above 6′ tall. That number dropped to one in 2017. The big target is Travis Kelce, but when he’s the only big player for opponents to worry about, it isn’t hard to give him enough attention.

Doug Pederson runs almost the exact same scheme in Philadelphia and they had the top red zone offense in the league last year. One big difference was that all six of Philadelphia’s top pass catchers measured at least 6’1″ and four were 6’3″ or taller. As a result, Carson Wentz was second in the league in red zone TD passes with 24, behind only the incomparable Tom Brady.

Small guys simply don’t score touchdowns at the same rate big guys do.

Of the 77 players who have caught at least 7 touchdowns in a season the last three years, only 14 have measured less than six feet tall. Antonio Brown, Doug Baldwin and Brandin Cooks account for nine of those seasons.

In other words, if you’re gonna bring in a small guy, he better be special or he won’t consistently find the end zone.

The goal for the Bears shouldn’t be to copy what Kansas City has done. The goal should be to take what Nagy has established with the Chiefs and improve upon it. That means being bigger and more efficient in the red zone.

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  • Heard that Alshon guy is pretty big, young and clutch.
    But it’s cool. Pace preferred Wheaton Thompson, Wright, Sims and Bellamy

    One of the reasons the Chief’s O stalled was due to Ds figuring them out.
    Basically, play cover 2. This cancels out the big plays by Hill, Kelce and Hunt.

    Andy and Smith are too gunshy to throw in that “turkey hole” (after the CB, before the S). They’ll take the 3 yd dump off every time, and teams knew this (Steelers figured it out first).

    When it gets to the greenzone, everything is even further compressed.

    On top of bigger WRs, Philly was simply more creative (as we witnessed in the SB).

    Andy essentially gave up on running Hunt. Meanwhile, Pederson cycled in a 3 back rotation, used a lot of RPO, put Ertz, Alshon and Aghlor in favorable matchups.

    They were a nightmare to defend. You double Alshon, they hit Ertz. You play zone, they run it. Put a S over the x and z, Aghlor kills you in the slot.

    Isolate their HB on a slowfooted LB on a wheel route.

    A lot like the Pats (except on top of all that, Wentz could still run for 20)

    So while I agree, a big WR should benefit the redzone proficiency, the bigger cog is Nagy.

    • Scharfinator

      Yeah after what, week 6, the NFL had figured out the Chiefs.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I would be happy with 6 games of the NFL not figuring us out. I am pretty sure the NFL figured out the Bears about 30 seconds into their 1st possession in the 1st PreSeason Game.

        • willbest

          The AFCN hasn’t figured us out in 12 years.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Can we change conferences?

          • BenderMcLugh

            hahaha, so weird!

        • Scharfinator

          What? Just because you don’t want to eat a shit sandwich doesn’t mean you should settle for eating dirt.

          Let’s go for 16 games.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            It is a start in the right direction.

          • Scharfinator

            I certainly agree… my wishes don’t stop at realistic expectations though 😛

        • I thought u were going to type “the NFL figured out the bears after the invention of the T formation”

    • Big Mike

      Need to get over that with Alshon, he wasn’t going to play here.Wasn’t on Pace. They made an offer. It was better than what he ended up signing for, but a lot less than what Alshon wanted. Had Pace given him what he wanted we’d be strapped with an elite contract for a 2nd tier guy.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Makes me yearn for the days a few people were crying over Forte being gone.

        • Forte was old and HBs are easily replaced.
          Bears haven’t had an Alshon level WR since…ever?
          A rookie HB was our most dangerous WR last season, but ppl were cool w that like w Fox i guess

          • willbest

            Well BMarsh, but that guy can only stay in 1 place for 2 years before he wears out his welcome.

          • BenderMcLugh

            Marcus Robinson.

          • evantonio

            that 1 season of Marcus Robinson was pretty tight.

          • CanadaBear

            You’re starting to cross over into troll territory when you start trying to talk for everyone. Nobody was cool with our WR’s last year. Losing your top two WR’s before the first game is completed usually doesn’t end well for most teams. If Pace wildly over pays a WR to come to the Bears last year, what does that do to the salary structure? Puts it completely out of whack.

            Only mercenary FA’s or ones that aren’t really in much demand are the only ones that are happy to sign with a team coming off a 3-13 season with a lame duck coach.

          • BearDown100393

            That last paragraph illustrates perfectly why Hobo should have been fired after that 3-13 season.

          • Pace had a chance to take flier on higher upside WRs like Garcon or even Pryor . they don’t always work out, but take the shot
            Pace realized he fucked up and that’s why he traded for Inman.
            And there were a lot of Pace backers (Irish being #1) thinking Wheaton, Wright and Thompson (and Sims) were going to be enough.

            So it’s not straw man.

            Ironically there was a lot more scepticism over Sasheen and Cohen

            Edit. Also Fox wasn’t exactly a lame duck. Lot of fans gave him a pass for being anchored to Cutler and INJs.

            Heck, even up until that Puke game many were willing to keep Fox thinking late season run

          • BenderMcLugh

            But Butch, to be fair, how would Wheaton, Wright & Thompson worked out if Birdcage wasn’t put in a….cage?

          • Im willing to consider that.
            I thought Thompson was servicable, so naturally Pace let him go to the Bills.
            One of the reasons we even signed Wright was because Birdcage was in on the Titans, so theoretically he was supposed to be good since he knew the system.
            I’m also willling to say Fox fucked em.
            However as someone noted in the last thread, none of them got any seperation.
            Trub figured that out quickly and began targeting Zach (who many wanted traded in PS) a lot more esp on scrambles.

            So it was both. Talent and coaching.

            That’s how teams end up w the worst passing attack in the league

          • Irish Sweetness

            What’s wrong with kendall? Once we started throwing him the ball he was great.

          • CanadaBear

            Not so much he realized he fucked up, he lost his top two WR’s. Not sure why you would mention those guys. PG played 9 games and TP played 2.

          • CanadaBear

            Lame duck indicates the coming season would be his last. I think lots of NFL players and Bears fans considered him a lame duck coach (and they were correct).

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wright and Thompson were good enough. They can both ball.

            I don’t and never knew who Sims was, and I am certainly not a Pace- backer. He is borderline incompetent.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Pryor was SUCH a bust for Washington.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Mainly said that to troll SC Dave a little. I need to work on that a little.

          • John F

            “Bears haven’t had an Alshon level WR since…ever?”

            Closest thing I can think of might be Marty Booker, I loved that guy ….

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wtf are you guys on?
            Brandon is ten times the player Alshon is!
            Bmarsh is the best WR we ever had and it’s not even a discussion.

      • willbest

        We were rumored to offer 12, he got 10+bonus and a deal for 13/yr. So from 2017-2020 he will get the same total from either team. Plus he got to play on a team that had demonstrated it had its act together.

        I doubt he wanted to play in Chicago but then the Bears are rumored to have given him a mediocre deal to stay on a bad team, with a lame duck Head Coach and a big ass question mark at QB.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Demonstrated it had its act together? He took a 1 year contract on a team that was 7-9 and last in their division the year before and had a 2nd year QB that had a decent rookie year. He only got the extension at the end of the year. Plain and simple he did not want to be here.

          • willbest

            He took a 1 year deal because he felt the market hadn’t properly judged his talents. He was also rumored to have had interest from Minny in and around the Bears range. Minny was also a contender, but they didn’t know who their QB was going to be either. The Eagles knew who their QB was, and handled the transition from Kelly to Pederson without a hitch.

        • Big Mike

          So not Pace’s fault. That’s all I’m saying.

          • It’s Pace’s fault in that he has to be a salesman like any good GM.

            He has to create a winning image (even if false) of the team to the FAs.

            Obviously he didn’t sell any one (except Glennon)

            Barring that, straight cash homie.

            I thought the 12m range was fair, but as a bad team, he has to gage how close Alshon is for another mil or two (which isn’t Julio $)

            Pace also by most accounts was responsible for Fox esp in keeping him a yr too long.

            So Pace is responsible for the losing culture

            I don’t hate Pace. Like i said, he’s an avg GM.

            But his fuck ups esp in FA are a big reason the Bears gave no AP or even PBers, or winning record.

            What happens if he’s unable to resign Fuller and settles for Prince?

            Are we gonna be cool w that?

          • Big Mike

            I’ve been in sales, marketing, bus dev most of my life. You can’t put lipstick on a pig. Bears were not an attractive place for a WR. That’s why they got leftovers and field a bunch of practice squad guys, has been and broken dudes. At some level, yeah the buck stops with Pace, because he’s top dog and responsible for the product. Doesn’t matter now. Don’t care. What I’m excited about is a projected $50 million of cap space after we resign the guys we want, set aside our rookie pool and start bidding to add some players. Then we are going to have a killer draft class that smartly compliments the FAs. My bet is Pace kills it in FA and the draft this year. We’ll see. My off season optimism is high right now. I’m seeing a decade of 9-10+ wins a year, a SB championships and 6-7 playoff berths of the next 10 years 🙂

          • I’ve been in sales too and i have def put lipstick on many pigs . that’s what makes a good salesman. Not the yeses walking un the door but the nos turned into yeses.

            But, i digress…

            IMO Pace would have to have a close to perfect offseason.

            1st he has to lock up both Fuller and Prince and Callahan. $ not an issue, right?

            He has to kill FA in the first day (he hasn’t thus far)

            Get at least two premium FAs.

            WR, OLB

            Sign upside 2nd day guys . Dline, Oline, ILB, K, P, etc

            Then Pace would be free in the draft to stay close to BPA

            Then he can build for the future.

            I still have hope, but the margin of error (esp in our division) is slim.

            Pace will have to transcend his mediocrity.

          • Big Mike

            I had a hunch you’d been in sales. Pace has done a good job selling the Bears. He sold Nagy. Right now that’s his whale. I’m calling for a perfect or near perfect offseason because optimism is high for me right now. (just landed a whale). I love Fuller, Prince and Callahan. I think those are the right 3 guys to bring back. Money shouldn’t be an issue, but I do see a point where Fuller’s demands are too high. FA first day he’s hunting big game. The only time he did that was his first year when he got Trevathan and Freeman. He batted 50% there. But I think it’s the only time he tried. I honestly believe he’s had a 5 year time frame on this and he’s being patient. The team friendly nature of the deals he’s been offering to FAs, the quantity over quality approach to 2nd and 3rd tier guys, his desire to keep Trubisky under wraps as long as possible etc.

            WR, OLB on day 1 is a solid plan. WR most important. OLB could be day 2 in my book. But the point here is 2 day 1 FA guys. Guys that when he signs them we find out he’s been targeting them all along.

            Same thoughts on day 2. Leading into the draft. I really would love that big ol Guard from ND. I suspect he’ll be gone. It would erase the memory of Carimi. But more than Nelson, I want to see teams go QB,RB crazy ahead of us. Pick of the best of the rest. OR maybe somebody wants to trade up. Not sure which scenario I favor. Bears need game changers, not bodies.

          • SC Dave

            I want OL. We have a serious need there if Pace ditches Sitton, since Long is done. The so-called strength of the line, it’s interior, will be down to one person of three.

          • CanadaBear

            I think you’re a little premature on Long. You might be correct but I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt. He got the shoulder fixed (along with a neck surgery) and he’s rehabbing the ankle. He’s got the want to. If he’s just so-so this year I’m sure he will be cut.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I fear Long is just another breakdown waiting to happen.

          • CanadaBear

            Me too but I’m not giving up just yet.

          • Big Mike

            That would be good if Nelson is there

          • Irish Sweetness

            If he ditches Sitton then I want him thrown into the lake, naked, in December, and then dragged out and beaten to death with his own arm.

          • SC Dave

            Remember “Chicago is where wide receivers go to die?”

            Some things never change.

          • CanadaBear

            MM had a hand in that. Great line, gotta give him that. It’s amazing how often the Bears have gotten both the QB and WR positions wrong for an amazing length of time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why would he suddenly become a good judge of talent? He paid Gummo 18m and the WR he signed disappeared on us.

          • Big Mike

            Team friendly contracts. Glennon was just way worse than anyone could imagine. But he protected the franchise from being stuvk
            Get Outlook for iOS

          • leftcoastdave

            So Pace is responsible for the losing culture.

            No the lack of talent on the team he signed on to is the reason for the losing culture.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He hasn’t made us better. That was the worst offense I can remember. We are bad.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Glennon and overpaying for MT was his fault. He is directly responsible for our W-L column.

        • Pace fails to realize that bad teams must overpay and that the Bears are a bad team.

          Hence his leftover FAs philo.

          Other GMs are dining at steak houses.

          Pace is rummaging through Arbys garbage bins

          • BearDown100393

            IMO those days should be over.

            Naggy would not likely take the HC position if that continues.

          • willbest

            A) There are very rarely premium HC openings.
            B) An HC makes 2-5 times what a coordinator does for more years. Just 1 HC contract sets a person and their grandkids up for life.

          • Irish Sweetness

            People should not view him as a savior of any kind. He cannot transcend his players, nobody can.

          • BenderMcLugh

            daaaaaaaeeuuum G!

      • leftcoastdave

        Pace could not give AJ what he wanted. AJ took what he wanted which was a trip out of town.

        • SC Dave

          It’s funny how much people claim to know about the motivations of someone with whom they have never spoken.

          • DBears

            you are an ignorant hypocrite. you spout all your opinions on here and shout down everyone else that may disagree… meanwhile you speculate just as we all do. WR don’t go to chicago because that’s where they go to die? Long is done? Oh, so apparently you know the mindset of NFL FA WR’s? Apparently you have a medical degree and know that Long is done too, right?

            You do the same shit, you’re just too stupid and arrogant to realize it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yet we never ever stop hearing about him. An average receiver who has an extra three inches to keep him in the NFL. That’s it. He is not the missing piece, for we have many. It’s a shitty roster top to bottom.

      • DBears

        Agreed. AJ was a POS. He had no desire to be on the Bears…. let alone get on the field (see numerous hamstring issues). Pace has done a good job of eliminating headaches from the locker room. AJ was 3rd on his OWN team receiving this season. Not diminishing his ability…. for the 2.5 games he played healthy for the Bears he is a great talent but I am diminishing his importance to a team. Case in point…. look at the SB teams from NE, Balt, Seattle, Giants over the past 10 years….. name their top WR. Now how many SB have Green, Jones, Brown, Fitzgerald etc won?

        Chances are you can’t name the #1 WR from those superbowl teams…. and the answer is zero for the latter. We need better WR in Chicago but we don’t need to overspend on a WR and certainly not an over rated, injury prone, attitude problem like Alshon.

        • BearDown100393

          Pace may have gotten rid of headaches but not the talent lost.

          • DBears

            agreed… definitely need more WR talent but we don’t need a WR headache that only plays when a team is winning.

        • CanadaBear

          Because a guy want to play for team with a chance to win makes him a POS? Really?

          • DBears

            Do you show up to work and do a crappy job or fake injury because you don’t like your job? Guy that gives half effort lets his team down and creates issues in the locker room. yes, speaks to character or lack there of in my opinion. Show up, do your job with pride. If there wasn’t a concern about his character… why did Philly only give him a 1 year prove it deal at first???

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            What locker room issues? I don’t remember any.

          • DBears

            Didn’t attend workouts with team, went off to train with B Marshall. Never talked, showed no leadership, the reoccuring soft tissue injuries that limited his playing.

            Basically was throwing a silent temper tantrum cause they weren’t winning.

          • DBears

            I don’t understand the position most of you are taking…. you are upset with Pace for letting AJ go. He’s getting top 10 WR money, for top 30 production and has a history of injury…. character speculation aside…… isnt the role of a GM to find value in players? I get we need WR but you are all being critical of Pace for NOT overpaying for underproduction of a guy with a significant injury history???

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I think only a few out there are upset with Pace ***cough Butch cough*** pardon me. AJ did not want to be here, that’s on AJ. I agree with you on most things concerning AJ, the only thing I don’t agree with is calling him a POS.

          • DBears

            fair enough. IMO he stopped giving effort the last 2 season in Chi… I have a big issue with that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You are correct. Neither he nor Hester get a pass for that. The only time AJ balled was when BM drew the brackets. He had 3 catches in the superbowl as their #1 wr. That’s piss poor.

          • willbest

            For me its based on the unknown. If we could have locked Jeffery up for 13-13.5 million I absolutely do blame Pace for not understanding what he needs to do in FA. If Jeffery was only going to accept AJ Green money from the Bears because he didn’t want to be here, then it is what it is.

            If Pace fails to acquire Landry and Landry signs some place for less than 14 mil per year, I will fault him again. We need a #1 WR even if that #1 is only a top 20 guy. We aren’t going to have Miller, and our best receiving threat is coming off an ACL injury. Unless we have something to keep the safeties honest Nagy’s offense is going to look at lot like Loggains.

          • DBears

            Oh boy….. Landry as a slot is a number 1 WR? We all can agree we need WR talent but i will go back to the premise….. how many championships did Calvin Johnson win Detroit? AJ Green win for Cincy? Julio Jones win for Atlanta? Antonio Brown win for Pitt?

            a single WR is not going to make or break this team…. especially a WR that has a history of being unhappy publicly. That’s the last thing a losing team needs is to add a debbie downer to the locker room.

          • BenderMcLugh

            I will not fault Pace for not signing Landry. It would only mean he’s not as high on him as others.

          • willbest

            What other #1 WR is available this off-season?

          • BenderMcLugh

            it’s arguable Landry is an actual #1, but more to the point of your question, I really don’t know. I haven’t checked out the FA WRs yet.

          • DBears

            Robinson if he isnt tagged

          • willbest

            Hm…

            2016 stats worse the Jeffery’s despite playing 4 more games. Missed most of 2017 with an ACL. Seriously doubt he gets tagged. I also don’t see anybody wanting him over Landry.

          • DBears

            Better stats (more yards and TD’s) in 2016 but yes, AJ played 4 few games. 2 pevious seasons prior to ACL… 2200 yards and 20 tds on Jacksonville team… I’d say he’s worth a look with those numbers. Not saying we should overpay either but his stats and production easily rival AJ. AJ just had a <800 yard season and 9 TDs on #7 offense in league. 2016 season for Robinson on 23rd ranked offense had more yards and 3 fewer Td's.. not to get bogged into details but feel like they are comparable talents. Again… not worth overpaying but worth a look.

          • willbest

            The difference in yardage is insignificant. The difference in catch %, and yards per reception between the two was huge and favored Jeffery. The TDs were a problem but then the Bears weren’t spending much time in the redzone that year (or any of the Fox years). And Jeffery has 2 healthy knees (although a bum hamstring).

            Yes they are comparable, but you just spent half this post dumping on Jeffery, so it seems odd that you would propose a guy that is at best his equal, coming off an ACL when we likely already have one of those in Meredith.

          • DBears

            I had no issues with AJ’s talent….. guy can play. So to compare talent level from my perspective is respect to both Robinson and Jeffery…. but I have no reason to question Robinson’s effort and commitment at this point. Ultimately I don’t think either is worth over paying… but the talent is there to be interested.

          • DBears

            already know Landry is asking for a boatload of money….. dunno what Robinson is looking for

          • Irish Sweetness

            They’re all available. That’s what pace doesn’t get. Think josh gordon likes cleveland?

          • Exactly. I’m willing to bet Alshon signs for around 14m per yr, but Pace wasn’t budging.

            Why do i think this? Because of the fact that Pace hasn’t ever spent top $ for an FA (except Glennon)

            Pace instead opted to throw that $ at Glennon, Barth, Simms, Demps and Wheaton.

            This is why i blame him.

            If Alshon comes out and says i just wanted to be gone , then I’d give Pace more slack ( tho I’d want to know WHY he wanted out, why je didn’t believe in Pace)

          • Irish Sweetness

            Our WCO requires a couple of decent WRs for starters. Kendall And Cam(?) Will help, but Landry’s not a tall WR.

          • BenderMcLugh

            this.

          • If Pace had been able to sign another WR at Alshons tier, i wouldn’t care.
            I wasn’t an Alshon hater like MB neither was i a supporter like SC.
            But Pace didn’t replace his talent.

            He also could’ve traded for kelvin Benjamin for a third.

            Is Pace gonna find a better WR in the 3rd?

            Or even Watkins for a 2nd and change.

            Is Pace gonna find a better WR in the 2nd or FA. This yr?

            Hope so

          • Irish Sweetness

            Kelvin for a 3rd? That would be a move, except pace gave away our third for no good reason

          • SC Dave

            What is hard to understand is your virulent hatred for Alshon Jeffery.

          • DBears

            I saw a guy that quit on his team. To me that’s unprofessional and a crappy thing to do… glad to see him go. He’s an over rated and over paid player. His salary and stats don’t match up when he’s trying…. wait till Philly has a rough patch and he gets another hammy. Difference of opinion but that is mine. Good riddence

          • willbest

            When you are playing on the franchise tag, you aren’t getting paid to go to OTAs. Why would you do something you aren’t getting paid for?

          • DBears

            Other WR that were under contract were showing up to work with the team and QB….. they werent getting paid extra either. why did they show up? cause they wanted to put in work to help the team and get better.

          • willbest

            Most contracts include provisions that the player attend OTAs. Some players negotiate bonuses for doing so. The franchise tag has no such requirement. So I ask again, why should Jeffery do something he isn’t paid to do?

          • DBears

            every profession asks things of professionals that don’t get reimbursed. You do them to be good at what you do, to earn more money, to help your colleagues/teammates/clients….. that’s what a professional does IMO and he didn’t seem to care to do any of those things for the Bears.

          • willbest

            If the Bears really wanted him at OTAs the Bears could have negotiated a long term deal in a timely fashion that would put him there. If the owners felt that OTAs were import they would bargain with the union to make them mandatory.

            And people get season ending injuries at OTAs, who the hell wants that when you aren’t on a long term contract. That is why the teams pay them to show up.

            http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/06/01/ravens-2nd-year-cb-tavon-young-tears-acl-during-otas/

            Plus Jeffery didn’t veg out and binge Walking Dead on netflix. He worked out with his own trainers which was completely understandable considering the team was riddled with injuries that year. Jeffery had every right to believe that the S&C staff didn’t know what they were doing and to stay away from them.

            Oh and don’t go on about professionals giving and taking. That shit goes out the window when you put a union contract in there.

          • DBears

            Teachers do work at home without pay. Doctors, accountants, real estate agents do continuing education without pay….. it’s part of your craft. Much like a WR working with his QB to develop chemistry and timing, etc….. Im not making this political and diving into unions etc…. but extra work is there for every professional whether they/we like it or not

          • CanadaBear

            I think a silent temper tantrum is usually called a quiet, introspective person.

          • DBears

            Yea, AJ and Arian Foster… the great thinkers of the NFL.
            Funny how he talks more and is engaged on and off the field now that he’s paid and winning.

          • CanadaBear

            Wouldn’t you be happier?

          • SC Dave

            *sigh* Another noob to the block list, I’m afraid. More of the children that seem to follow Data around, do you suppose?

          • DBears

            please block me… I’d rather not read your dumb responses

          • DBears

            sure I would…. but the point being is that IMO he should still be engaged to the same degree no matter the circumstances of the team…. winning or losing.

          • SC Dave

            This dude sure is a piece of work, eh?

          • CanadaBear

            I’m always amazed how people take all this personally when it’s just a business. The players are trying to get as much money as they can and the teams are trying to pay as little as they can. In his last year under his rookie contract he missed 7 games due to soft tissue injuries. I’m quite certain AJ would have preferred to play all 16 to get max value for his services on his next contract.

            Although I gotta admit the silent temper tantrum really made me laugh!

          • DBears

            Not sure what line of work you clowns do but I can’t go in and give a half ass effort when I’m not happy. Why is it ok for AJ to do it? I saw a player that didn’t care and didn’t try, I think that makes him a POS of character. You may be tolerant of that or maybe you saw it differently. Yes, a grown man stops trying to do his job or doesn’t care is him being a big baby and throwing a fit. It lacks professionalism. Maybe you share his same work ethic, good for you.

          • CanadaBear

            FFS that’s your interpretation of it. Apparently his coaches, teammates, opponents and the media didn’t get the msg.

          • DBears

            didnt see any bears plays crying over his absence. Like I said disagree, i could care less whether or not you do. You still have yet to explain an alternative to Philly giving him a one year, 14 mill deal, then towards seasons end they give him multiyear and he takes 13/year??? Why didnt they offer multi year from the beginning? Or do you still just want to run your mouth?

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t have to explain anything to you and it’s a good thing because comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.

          • DBears

            You’re right. I generally struggle following and understanding someone that has nothing to say but never shuts up.

          • SC Dave

            It’s pretty pathetic when they bitch about salaries that someone else is paying. It’s pure class envy.

          • DBears

            who said anything about salary?!?!?…. I mentioned his dedication and work ethic….. you don’t read to well do you? not surprised

          • DBears

            a piece of work is you running your mouth without saying a thing. You tell me why did they only give him a one year deal at first then gave him a 4 year 52 mil deal? If philly thought so much of him, why not lock him up on the multiyear deal from the get go? What was the advantage to the team to do a 1 year, then resign for a 4 year other than they didn’t fully trust him either.

            So yea, philly wasn’t sold by him either and wanted him to prove something to them before they committed long term.

            Sorry if I offended you and CanadaBear’s AJ poster above your bed.

          • SC Dave

            No one cares what you think, noob.

          • DBears

            you are the tool that criticizes someone for having a different opinion… pretty sure no one gives a damn about what an asshole thinks

          • SC Dave

            You are the tool that pretends to know what others think. Just another child mouthing off on the internet.

          • DBears

            Hey jackbag, you do realize that by opposing my opinion in the matter… you are inherently claiming to know what he was thinking too, right? Only difference being is I freely state that to be my opinion… I never claimed to know what he was thinking… but since you seemed to be the resident expert about it, apparently you do since you feel the need to crap on anyone that doesn’t see it your way. There’s one adult in the conversation and there is one insecure prick that is threaten by someone with a different opinion.

            Bottom line, please block me like you said you would… otherwise you really are a loud mouth ass like you seem to be.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            But you are willing to extrapolate things based on AJs actions. Locker room issues? Leadership? Faking injuries? Oh he trained in the offseason on his own, he doesn’t talk, that means he is causing locker room issues. He missed a few games, he must be faking it and does not take pride in his work.

            GMs around the league don’t trust him because of this. Horseshit! GMs didn’t trust him because he was busted for PEDs and missed 4 games for it.

          • DBears

            Cmon… how many players at some point get busted for PED’s and teams don’t hesitate to give them good deals because they are a talent? Yea, LeVeon Bell wont get a multiyear deal cause he was busted for PED too, right? You guys can come up with all the other BS reason for AJ you want, that’s your opinion… you are completely entitled to it! Yes, i am willing to extrapolate shit from what I see and read. You ever met Donald Trump? You think he’s a good guy? You think he’s a racists? you think he mental unstable? He exploits women? How do you know…. you’ve only read about him? We all make presumptions based upon what we read, hear, and observe…. you and D-bag Dave have a problem with it because you don’t agree. I’ve freely stated these are my opinions on numerous posts. Conversely I may not agree with you but at least I can offer similar scenarios such as LeVeon Bell and his PED hx to discredit your theories rather than shouting your down because I simply disagree. Try coming up with something logical or factual that would make for a good compelling argument rather than simply a derogatory response.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            LeVeon Bell was not busted for PEDs. He was busted for weed and DUI. There is this great website called google.com. You should try it out sometime to fact check you shit. You have based your opinions on things you have no clue about. There have been no reports of AJ causing locker room issues, or faking injuries. But somehow you are making that link. Try coming up with something logical or factual that would make for a good compelling argument.

          • DBears

            Oh for F sake… so a team now is ok with one suspension but not another? How about some of the players for domestic violence? Point being is that PED, DUI, arrests… etc whatever…. if you are a good player, teams STILL pay. that’s my point. Jeffery is no different, i dont think anyone cares about his PED suspension 2 years ago….. and this is coming from someone that does not care for him

          • DBears

            You are missing the point. It was a suspension and something that COULD be used against a player in negotiations…. excuse me for typing PED versus drugs….. you are quoting 10 million for his 1 year deal…. he agreed to 14 not 10… it may have paid only 10…. but he didnt know that in March of 17…. so if you want to quibble over details fine…. id much rather stick to the point which is I don’t believe teams cared about Jeffery’s suspension in 2016. I can list a ton of additional players that still went on to lock up lucrative long term deals despite having PED, arrest, or drug hx in the past. That’s my point

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Did you know I make $25 mill this year? I have a huge incentive in my contract that states if I can teach a monkey to program computers I get it.

          • DBears

            pretty pathetic attempt at an analogy but it still doesnt change the fact that during your negotiation of that deal…. you have no way of knowing what the end result would be…. and during full season of work… he had every reason to believe he would hit those incentives based upon his past…. you every train a monkey before?

            You never address my previous question, do you not develop opinions based upon where you hear, see and watch? You’re awfully critical of someone willing to state an OPINION….. im curious how someone that is omniscient as yourself develops an opinion

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            he had every reason to believe he would hit those incentives based upon his past? In the 5 years he was with the Bears he would have only received most of the incentives ONCE. And even then he would have only gotten about 3 mill of the incentives. NFL contracts are about guarantees, and viewed that way, It was basically a 10 mill deal, and AJ knew it.

            The issue I have is how you are arriving at your opinions. You called him a POS then stated that he created locker room issues and your reasoning is as follows

            1. he did not partake in offseason workouts.
            2. Never talked
            3. showed no leadership,
            4. the reoccurring soft tissue injuries that limited his playing

            which you implied he did all as some sort of rebellion/tantrum.

            Nothing there shows me that it caused locker room issues, and no locker room issues were reported about him.

            I do not understand how you make your leaps in judgement based on a lot of things that you can’t prove. So what if he never talked or showed leadership, some people are like that. Who cares if he took part in offseason workouts, a lot of players avoid them. And as far as soft injuries, he played through a lot, there were games you could tell he could barely run. Not sure how that would cause locker room issues.

          • DBears

            Terrible analogy BTW. Jeffery had as a past of great production when he played a full season (and IMO when he tried). He had every right to think he could make those incentives……. you ever train a monkey?

            Never answered my previous question….. since I’m a jerk for forming and stating my opinion based upon what I see and hear… how does someone as omniscient as yourself go about developing your opinion? My guess is you do the same thing…. you just choose to shout down and demean anyone that disagrees with you.

          • DBears

            Man…. can really tell I’m upsetting the secret club here between you, Dbag Dave and CowardBear… 10k+ comments for each of you bozo’s. No wonder you all get your panties in a bunch when someone else has a different opinion. Do you guys get out of your footie pajamas before you jump on the Bears blog? Maybe throw your Jeffery jersey on?

            Here’s a suggestion….. the 3 of you need to get off the internet and go discuss some Bears topics or anything else you like with real people, in person. Maybe you’ll find a nice balance of cordial disagreement instead of being the angry keyboard jockeys that you are.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Not sure what you are talking about, I am just questioning your logic and trying to figure out how you arrive at your conclusions. People are going to differ on conclusions, nothing angry on this end.

            Also this site has been up for a LONG time, it is easy to get to 10k comments, Plus comments are totaled across all sites that use Disqus as their comments section, so chances are people comment on other sites.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. Teams didn’t like BM and his desire to win. Losers don’t like to be reminded they’re mailing it in.

          • SC Dave

            Oh gawd

          • willbest

            Jeffery WANTED the 1 year deal. He was rumored to have a similar deal to what the Bears were offering from Minny. Jeffery felt he was worth AJ Green money, the market disagreed. He decided to prove he was, and his Agent finally talked some sense into him.

          • DBears

            Right!!! During the off season, the market didn’t feel he was worth the money! You are making my point….. teams didn’t trust him

          • willbest

            Didn’t feel he was worth 14-15 mil per year. They felt he was worth 12 mil per year. Not sure what sort of gotcha you think you have.

          • DBears

            if they felt he was worth that at the time… how come he didnt get it in the offseason? He accepted the one year at first only to have an extension later in the season? He obviously wasn’t getting what he wanted at the time…. i.e. teams weren’t willing to give him long team with bigger money.

          • willbest

            JEFFERY DIDN’T THINK HE WAS ONLY WORTH 12 MILLION. He turned it down. Jeffery didn’t want a multi-year deal that locked him in to 12 million when he felt he was worth 14+. So he took a 1 year deal from a team with the best QB that was offering him money, that incidentally would have paid him 14 million if he was as good as he thought he was. That way he could then hit FA again and this time negotiate a deal over 14+ million. He bet on himself. I know its a hard concept to understand when you are a risk adverse arm chair GM, but for competitors its something they do.

          • DBears

            since you put it in caps I would think your would understand what you are saying…. he thought he was worth more “14+” as you say…… no NFL team wanted to give him that because they had their doubts about him, period! What dont you get about that? Pace was not the only GM that questioned his value… in fact, every NFL team that DIDN”T offer 14+ million in a multi year deal felt the same way

          • SC Dave

            Seems the Eagles do.

          • DBears

            how dumb is that comment after they signed him to a 1 year deal??? if they felt he was worth it in the beginning then how come the same multi-year deal for that amount wasnt there to begin with? SO no… they didnt

          • DBears

            ok.. so then why did he settle for a multiyear deal worth LESS per year
            later in the season?

          • willbest

            A) It was still more than we were offering
            B) He actually didn’t have that great of a season from a catch % standpoint so he wasn’t going to be able to justify $14+ million on an open market

          • DBears

            im not talking about what Bears offered versus eagles… Im talking eagles offering 1 year 14million on originally deal then in Dec give a multiyear deal that averages 13mil a season???…. As some are proposing, Jeffery didn’t want a multiyear deal cause he wanted to get more money…. I find it hard to believe he gives in and takes less per year in the same season for a multiyear deal that supposedly he didnt want just a few months prior…. what’s more likely is he wanted a big money, multiyear deal….. no one was offering so he took 14 mil 1 year and after he provided some reassurance to Philly they offered multi year.

          • willbest

            You find it hard to believe that Jeffery came to his senses about his net worth after another half season of performance with a QB that knows what he is doing?

            You think a person that has an inflated sense of self worth will always have it?

          • DBears

            No, I don’t think most players in his position would cave so quickly. He is talented and capable of production…. he did it in the past so there is some legitimacy to him seeking solid money… not top 5 like he wanted but I don’t think he would quickly change his mind.

          • willbest

            Its a cost benefit analysis though. If you play for 2 years at 10 million before you turn in your next probowl year, then you are out $6 million dollars. If you sign for $14 million then you might as well have just signed for $12 million the whole time and gotten the security of the guarantee.

            His floor isn’t $0 (unless he is injured) its $12 million. So how much does he risk to get his big pay day? Jeffery answered the question with $2 million (since he took $10 mil hoping to prove he was AJ Green).

            Another thing to keep in mind with Jeffery he did that deal where he took $7 million now in exchange for 13% of his lifetime earnings. I have no idea what that contract entails, but it does change the dynamic.

          • DBears

            I understand the security and the benefit from Jeffery’s standpoint… I don’t have an issue with the logic there but what I’ve been saying is the Eagles and by proxy the NFL was not willing to give him the multiyear deal originally with the higher amount because they were not sold him being reliable (injury, effort, PED, use whatever reason you want). In normal circumstances It benefits the team and player to have a long term deal, you and I agree…. what I’m questioning is why wasnt that multi year deal with the 13mil/year on the table in the offseason?… why deviate from a scenario that is most secure for both player and team? I contend the team wasnt fully convinced Jeffery would be reliable. I could see Jeffery wanting a one year deal to make more money (makes complete sense) but I don’t see him getting 3/4 through the season and deciding to change his mind being so close to FA again… play the last few games, hit FA and see what you can make.

          • willbest

            From your other question, you didn’t realize Jeffery wasn’t on a true 1-year 14 million deal. He will make more next year than he did this year. He probably decided not to wait because the eagles are going to be good the next couple years, and his agent told him there wasn’t likely to be a much better offer if he decided to test FA again.

          • DBears

            Where is this 10 mil number coming from for the original 1 year? I’ve referenced CBS, NFL, SI, Wikipedia…. they all have the original 1 year deal as 14 mil with the eagles…. is there an updated/correct reference that I am missing?

          • willbest

            He signed a 1 year deal with the Eagles that had $10 million base pay with $4 million in bonuses assuming he met certain performance thresholds one of which was the pro-bowl.

          • DBears

            ok, but during the off season negotiation he’s working on the presumption of 14 mil…. he can’t see where he will be in december. So do you really think philly had both the one year deal and the 4 year deal on the table? He would have quickly taken the 4 year IMO. With that said, Philly in Dec knows he is going to miss incentives…. why then come back at him with a deal that pays more for longer team? it doesnt add up IMO.. seems like the team gave in a bit, no?

          • willbest

            There was no report of Philly having a multi-year deal on the table. There was Minny and Chicago both of which were rumored to have been for multiple years at 12 per year. Indy was also rumored to be in the mix but no leaked numbers from them.

            There is no knowledge of whether any team outside of Philly was willing to give him a 1 year deal. But its obvious that Jeffery was trying to get a better multiyear deal than the Bears were offering, and by the information available he ended up getting it.

            As I have pointed out, the problem here is you are completely incapable of understanding a player betting on himself. That makes no sense to me because you don’t have to go back that far to see players doing it. Kirk Cousins was offered multiyear deals but played on the tag. Revis was another player that bet on himself through short term deals. Donatri Poe is another.

            As for why Philly opted to give him the deal they did, he was playing better towards the end of the season and its reasonable to assume he will have better chemistry with Wentz next year. They had a chance to evaluate him and dispel any of those “soft” concerns that you have about him. The cap is going to be even larger next year so as a % of total cap the WR position wage goes up. And by extending him mid season they can prevent him from heading to FA and creating a hole in their offensive line up.

          • DBears

            It’s been a nice discussion… no need to tell me what I am capable of. I DO think players can bet on themselves, where you and I seem to disagree is where I don’t think 3/4ths through the season Jeffery “came to his senses”, perhaps you should re-read my responses before making a disparaging remark. My point/theory has always been as you stated in your last paragraph… philly did not feel comfortable up front giving him a multi year deal, which is why they likely only offered a 1 year deal. As you stated, I feel the 1 year deal was a way for philly to evaluate question marks surrounding Jeffery. Because of those question marks, I had no issues with Pace not making a strong push to retain him. After watching he performance throughout the year… I still don’t think it was a bad decision. Yes, I know the Bears were left with crap at WR…. but you dont pay 50k for a Civic because you need a car.

          • willbest

            Between the two of us, I am not the one assuming facts not reported. We have no idea what the negotiation with the Eagles was like because information wasn’t leaked to the press. Maybe they offered multiyears in line with the others, maybe they didn’t. We know what he took, and that is it. You filled in with your own bias.

            Here is the problem with your analogy. You only got 11 players you can put on the field at 1 time. Talent on the field is the most limiting resource in today’s NFL with the cap the way it is. That is why elite talent gets paid 5-10 times what competent talent gets paid even if they are only 25% better.

            The analogy isn’t that you pay 50k for a civic because you need a car. The NFL is full of civics. It is that you pay $1 million for a Lexus because there aren’t any Ferrari for sale and what is most important is having the most impressive 11 cars in your show room.

          • DBears

            You are right, none of us know and I am most certainly inserting my own bias… no issues with that. IMO, had they actually offered a long team deal in same ballpark, one would think he would have taken 29 mil guaranteed with 52mil total over 4 years rather than 10 mil 1 year with incentives to 14mil. Again, speculation I get it… but my originally theory was he was a risk for a multiyear high dollar deal… him signing a 1 year IMO supports my theory (and we also didn’t land on the moon).

            As far as talent, agree with your talent to salary assessment. Bears will have to shell out some coin at some point and I completely agree with them doing it. For my own personal bias… Jeffery was never that player. I don’t think you drop top dollar on FA just because he is the best available at that time and you have a need at that spot. Yea, WR group sucked last year but I’d rather spend and get reasonable value at those other 10 spots rather than force the issue. Philly is paying him top 10 money for maybe top 30 production. Stock up on too many over prices toyota’s and you wont have enough money for the Ferrari when it’s available.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            The original deal was not 1 year for $14 mill. It was 1 year about $10 mill. Don’t make shit up, especially when you can easily google these things, else you come off sounding like an idiot.

          • DBears

            “NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reports Alshon Jeffery is signing with the Eagles on a one-year contract for $14 million. Philadelphia later officially announced the move.” I did google it, dick

          • DBears

            On March 9, 2017, Jeffery signed a one-year, $14 million contract with the Philadelphia Eagles. Go ahead and google it, idiot

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            $9.5 mill plus 4.5 mill in incentives, He did not come close on most of those incentives. He got 500k for TDs, and I think 150k for % of plays. Do your homework.

          • DBears

            right… so he agree to 14 mil… thanks for confirming. You can’t argue after the fact what the contract ended up being…. at the beginning of the season, that’s what he agreed to….. hindsight doesn’t work at the time they are negotiating

          • CanadaBear

            If he was faking injuries the Bears would have happily let him walk. They didn’t. Just because that’s what you think doesn’t make it a reality.

          • DBears

            OK…. how about what I KNOW…. he missed half to a third of games the last two season in Chicago with nothing structurally wrong. You go ahead and pay him for his injury history and underproduction. Like I said….. if the league thought he was a safe bet…. he would have got the top dollar contracts in the off season like he felt he was worth. You can think whatever you want…. the NFL market agreed with me.

          • CanadaBear

            He missed 7 games with soft tissue injuries in 2015 and 4 in 2016 due to suspension. He played in all 16 in 2013, 2014 and 2017. Who said I was gonna pay him anything? And he got paid in 2018 so maybe Philly didn’t agree with you. Nobody was going to pay him Julio Jones money. He got 2nd tier WR money, pretty much what everyone predicted.

          • DBears

            Philly did AGREE, which is why he first signed a one year deal for less money at first…. if they thought he was a solid signing then the 4 year would have been on the table form the get go.

          • Irish Sweetness

            (Nods) If they want off my Bears, fuckem.

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        • Jokey

          Dunno where I come down on AJ. Loved him when he was playing, but hated that he wasn’t on the field enough. I’ve never played hurt and believe in resting your injuries, but I’m a software consultant and not an athlete. This video says that the Pats had their CB Gilmore play AJ after Rowe (playing for the benched Butler) after the half, effectively shutting AJ down. After that AJ didn’t catch another pass. Which I guess is a data point towards the “AJ sucks” group, unless you think that GIlmore is an elite shutdown corner and is uncatchable against?

          Congrats anyway to AJ for a SB win. During that game at least, I was a big fan.

          Here’s a link to the video. It starts with talking about Butler’s benching. https://youtu.be/Ld-agLORN3U?t=150

    • SuckaDitka

      Come on man, give the whiny Alshon Pace thing a rest. It’s all about 2018 & beyond

  • SC Dave

    “Over the same stretch under Dowell Loggains, the Bears scored on 55% of their red zone attempts. While the Bears had 23 fewer trips inside the red zone, they only managed one less score.”

    That does not fit the narrative that Trubisky was not a star because of the OC… hmm…

    But you’re absolutely right overall, AD, we definitely should expect better scoring. Problem is, we don’t have those tall guys, and Shaheen is no Kelce – not now, and maybe not ever.

    • willbest

      What it implies is that the Bears offense was incapable of stretching the field, and when you have to dink and dunk your way down the field every time, you are prone to 3 long third downs from imperfect play or penalties.

      How does one stretch the field? A stout o-line capable of buying the QB 4 seconds, and top notch WRs that can beat their man regularly forcing the safeties to play deeper.

      Conclusion: Losing Jeffery and Meredith cost us dearly.

      • SC Dave

        Absolutely agree with your conclusion, will. But I think you know that.

  • BearDown100393

    Be like Andy Reid and make the playoffs.

    Do not be like Andy Reid during the playoffs.

  • SC Dave

    From Bigsy’s series on Roster Rundown series (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-jordan-howard-season-review-20180206-story.html)

    “But there were moments in 2017 when the Bears were better than pretty much the rest of the league running the ball. This analysis needs to be framed from the standpoint that the team lacked a consistent passing game and viable threats at wide receiver, so balance was difficult to attain a lot of weeks. Consider the offense rushed for 222 yards or more in four games — Week 3 vs. Steelers, Week 6 at Ravens, Week 11 vs. Lions and Week 14 at Bengals. Nine other teams reached or exceeded that figure during the season, but no one accomplished it more than once.

    How rare was this? In the last 30 seasons, the Bears have rushed for 222 yards or more seven times, and four of those came in 2017. That’s pretty remarkable. What wasn’t so remarkable was that the offense finished smack dab in the middle of the league in rushing at No. 16 with 1,788 yards (111.8 per game) and a per-carry average of 4.2 yards, which ranked 12th.

    and…

  • BearDown100393

    Adios Giraffe.

    • BenderMcLugh

      say it ain’t so

      • Irish Sweetness

        It ain’t.

    • willbest

      $18 million well spent. He will go back to Tampa and back up Winston for the next couple years at league min.

    • Giraffes mom in 3..,2…1…
      Think of all those FAs or kickers Bears could have bought w that $…

    • Nancy Glennon

      Oh no! He just got over being benched, this is going to devastate him. I just hope he can take solace in the fact the Bears did not have any WRs. A couple of the main reasons he signed with the Bears was Meredith, and hopefully Alshon Jeffery. Those two would have been able to catch any lame duck pass he threw. When Jeffery did not resign he got a little upset but he knew he still had Meredith. It is just bad karma that Meredith got injured.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Butch is that you?

        • I am Jack’s liver?

          Always figured it was Waffle or GP

          • CaponeBot 1.0

            i’m funnier than that.

          • CanadaBear

            A LOT funnier!

  • AlbertInTucson

    White Sox broadcasts move to WGN Radio.

    • CanadaBear

      Is that a good thing for ya, Al?

      • AlbertInTucson

        No matter for me.

        You have to subscribe to MLB to access them anyway.

        Come to think of it, I think I’ll get all the MLB games on Sirius now since I re-upped to All-Access.

        Just found it interesting.

        Sox WERE on WGN-TV for most of my youth, when baseball was #1 for me. Then they moved to WFLD.

        On radio it was never WGN, for me, though they HAD been on WGN from 1927-43.

        Yes, wise guys. WELL before my time.

        When I first began listening is was WCFL “The Voice Of Labor” with “The Commander”, Bob Elson who’d be doing the Sox games forever.

        Then, as the Sox became less attractive and not a fit for the new rock & roll WCFL, they wound up on I believe, WTAQ in LaGrange for a while including Harry Caray’s first season doing the Sox games.

        Then, I believe, they moved to WMAQ and that’s where they were when I left town in late ’74.

        I burned up a helluva lot of 9 volt batteries with the transistor radio under my pillow, falling asleep listening to Sox OR Cub games on the west coast.

        I read where WLS lost the Sox rights due to Cumulus Radio’s bankruptcy filing.

        And the Sox are back on WGN TV, too.

        Too bad WGN America. their Satellite arm) no longer clears much of WGN’s Local broadcasts.

        WGN News just hired a news anchor named Joe Donlon, who I used to work with 20 years ago.

        • CanadaBear

          I remember seeing them on cable on channel 44. It was a UHF station. Harry and Jimmy. Good times. Always much more of a Cubs/NL fan but was always happy when the Sox were good. I’ve only been to one game at the new Sox park and that was about 20 years ago. Went to Comiskey a bunch back in the Bill Veeck days.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Veeck As in Wreck” is a great read.

            He premiered the exploding scoreboard in 1960.

            Fireworks shows after EVERY home night game.

            We used go to games for like, 2 bucks, and sit in the outfield grandstands.

            When I was a kid, I wanted to be Louie Aparicio.

          • CanadaBear

            Being altitudanilly challenged, I always liked Louie too.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I hear THAT.

            I was the shortest boy in an 8th grade class of 90 kids.

            There were 2 girls shorter than I.

            I sprouted a bit in high school.

          • CanadaBear

            I topped out at 5’3″ and I’ve lost an inch in old age. There was a set of twins (girls) that were shorter in grade school but by the end of HS we were the same height.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Made to 5’10”.

            Tall as my daughter, now.

          • SC Dave

            The $2 bleacher seats were the bomb.

            I went to every Sunday doubleheader in ’77 and ’78. BYOB (so long as there was no glass), $2 entry, Harry Caray broadcasting from a roped off area in the bleachers with us. South Side Hit Men. That shower in the catwalk when you got too drunk/hot.

            Good times in a bye-gone age.

            Edit: or was it ’78 and ’79… it was a bit of a blur, I confess.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I remember when we discovered that our TV could receive UHF channels.

            There was only 26 and 32 then. 44 went on the air in 1970.

            Used to watch BULLFIGHTS FROM MEXICO CITY on 26.
            We always rooted for the bull.

          • SC Dave

            Damn straight! Only one to root for.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Once in a while, you would see a matador get clipped or flipped.

          • John F

            If you remember Channel 44, you are an OLD FART !!!!

  • John F

    I think it is as important, if not more important, to be able to run in the red zone.

    Each yard you get closer to the end zone compresses your vertical space, and by definition, the routes you can run. It becomes easier and easier to defend the pass when you can subtract half the passing routes. Now size can offset that somewhat, but if you can run effectively in the red zone it will help your red zone passing game immensely.

    • Irish Sweetness

      So running the ball well is a good thing? Y’think?

      Back and to the left. Wake up.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The official says he had been briefed on the investigation into the shooting at the South Florida high school, but was not authorized to discuss it publicly.”

    So, of course, the guy discusses it, publicly.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • CaponeBot 1.0

      back problems.

      • AlbertInTucson

        A lot of rounds fired from the old “Polish Cannon”.

    • BearDown100393

      Draft bust….. 🙂

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Manziel – The Return: Spring Training
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22436317/johnny-manziel-participate-developmental-spring-league

    I think it would be funny if Cleveland brought him back to compete against Kizer.

  • Irish Sweetness
  • Irish Sweetness

    From the papers of News: “Shooting marks 18th school shooting in US so far this year.”

    IT’S FEBRUARY!

  • Mary

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  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I think someone needs to point this out. Nagy has been hiring/keeping a lot of coaches that are showing signs of having follicle disabilities. I am starting to think there are some discriminatory hiring practices occurring.

  • OB

    Looking at the Bears roster we already have tall redzone targets in Cam, White (I know), Brown and Shaheen. We do not really need a tall or short receiver so much as just a productive reliable one.

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