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Across The Middle: Be Prepared To Be Surprised (With an Emphasis on Denzel Ward)

| April 11th, 2018

In 2016, outside linebacker was considered a strength for the Bears after Lamarr Houston, Willie Young and Pernell McPhee combined for 20.5 sacks. Ryan Pace drafted Leonard Floyd in the first round.

In 2017, the Bears overpaid Mike Glennon and raved about his upside (“fired up”). They signed Mark Sanchez as a competent backup. Ryan Pace drafted Mitch Trubisky.

Those moves weren’t about value dropping to them. They weren’t about “best player available”. In both instances, Pace traded up for the player and surprised many by drafting what wasn’t considered a need.

The lesson is clear. How the Bears identify their needs is not necessarily how the media and fans identify them. And it isn’t just the first round.

In 2016, the Bears seemed to have a strong interior offensive line with Kyle Long, Hroniss Grasu and Matt Slauson before taking Cody Whitehair in the second round. Later in the draft, they took Nick Kwiatkoski after signing Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan to play the same position.

In 2017, Pace drafted Adam Shaheen in the second round after giving Dion Sims a big contract to pair with Zach Miller. Then they took Tarik Cohen in the fourth a year after having Jeremy Langford and Ka’Deem Carey battle with Jordan Howard for a starting role.

Generally, the Bears have been projected to take a guard or a pass rusher in the first round because those two positions are seen as their biggest needs. But are we sure Pace sees it that way?

DENZEL WASHINGTON WARD

The Bears spent a lot of money on cornerbacks this offseason and have both Prince Amukamara and Kyle Fuller locked-in for the next two years. But Denzel Ward just might be too good to pass up.

While Ward isn’t as tall as the Bears have generally preferred, he did come in taller than many expected at nearly 5’11”. Less than an inch separates Ward from Iowa’s Josh Jackson — a player many pegged as fitting the Bears profile. Ward makes up for it with longer arms, a higher vertical jump and explosive speed.



A few other points on Ward.

  • Slot corners play more than 60% of the snaps and the Bears can bet on Amukamara missing some time with an injury at some point next season. Ward could lock down slot receivers before moving outside to replace Amukamara next year.
  • Bears don’t have a need at safety, but last week I wrote about how valuable another good player at the position could be. 

Other Positions

Ward is just one player at a position many see as being locked up.

What if Saquon Barkley were to drop? The Bears would almost have to take the man widely-regarded as the best player in the draft.

Guard is generally seen as a big need, but it’s possible Pace really likes Jordan Morgan or Eric Kush. Also possible that he wants to see what Harry Hiestand can do with Grasu. Are we sure they don’t see Whitehair as a guard and not a center?

Can they really rely on Danny Trevathan to stay healthy two years in a row? If they don’t think so, there are two terrific inside linebackers that they could take.

Some teams stick to what the public sees as needs. The Bears clearly do not. We’re at the point in draft coverage where “experts” are doing seven-round mocks, which is really just pegging players to fill perceived holes.

By now, Bears fans should be prepared to be surprised.

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  • SC Dave

    So many of the mocks are clearly done by people who don’t know the first thing about the vast majority of the teams in the league.

    • willbest

      People capable of understanding all 32 teams are working for one of those teams or a Vegas booking operation, not writing them

      • CanadaBear

        Totally agree but you would think some of them would have a clue about more than just the top teams.

  • Take Barkley
    Bears have great luck with backs from Penn State

    • BenderMcLugh

      womp.

    • FJ doreza

      NICE..But one RB from Penn state is a bit better on all levels..I’d take Saquon in a second if he falls, not likely though, as I don’t see Howard as a RB that can’t be upgraded for a new system that is designed for a more quick and elusive RB with better hands.My favorite RB is Sony Michel, and if he’s there in the 2nd round I would be extremely stoked to get him as he’s got the explosive burst, lateral quickness, underrated power and good hands that would make our offense dynamic..Great RB’s can truly transform the offense, take pressure off the young QB and open up the passing game. Howard is a good RB but watching his games he really had some huge holes thanks to a strong run blocking O line that a RB like Michel would have exploited with hundreds of more yards and more points.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I don’t think we’ll be surprised in round one, but I think he’ll pooch it.

    If he grabs Quenton Nelson …. maybe Quenton is fine … but we miss the boat on Edmunds who then has a great career. Or vice versa …. it’s Pace.

    • SC Dave

      It’s all about Trubisky. If he becomes a top ten QB, Pace is golden.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Pace is drafting another quarterback. Why have one top ten QB when you can have two?

        line from the sci-fi movie Contact:
        “First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?”

    • The Bears Blues(n): (Urban dictionary)

      No matter what choice is made, the irrepressible sickening feeling deep down in the gackles that it will ultimately be the wrong one.

      Sentence.

      “Hey man, I heard you hooked up with a lingerie model!”
      “Yeah, but I got the Bears Blues about it. She prolly has gonorrhea or something”

  • BenderMcLugh

    Ward would be really excellent on this D, the several times I’ve seen him in games he was beastly. I’d be perfectly fine with this, or Quentin, or Edmunds. There’s no way Barkley falls to 8.

    BTW, anyone think Pace will trade up to go after Chubb? I don’t see it at all but it’s been tossed around by the tossers out there…

    • CanadaBear

      I don’t see Pace moving up this year, either. Hopefully 4 QB’s go off the board before the Bears pick.

      • Bear Instincts

        If you like the idea of trading back It’s best if 4 QB’s don’t go early. The more QB’s on the board better our chances of getting a good deal for the #8 pick

        • CanadaBear

          I’m not a trading back kinda guy. If it happens, fine, but I’d rather see the Bears get a blue chipper at a position of need.

          • Bear Instincts

            I have come to appreciate Pace’s strategy of talent in the1st and trade back for value in the following rounds. However if he can still get a blue chipper even after trading back then I’m all for it

          • CanadaBear

            I get that but it’s a big if. I really don’t get into trade scenarios. Way too many moving parts to hang your hat on it. I’m totally OK with Pace and his draft strategy as long as he doesn’t pick a bunch of stiffs. I don’t invest any emotion for the players until they are on the Bears. Don’t watch college ball so I really have no idea about these guys other than YT highlight vids.

          • CanadaBear

            I vividly remember Aaron Donald going to the Rams with the pick before the Beloved’s. The higher the pick the less the chance of that happening. That’s my only thing about trading down in the first, at some point the talent takes a big step down. Other than that, Pace seems to do pretty well when it comes to moving around in the other rds.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

            my brother in law texted me the night of the Aaron Donald draft. he’s from St. Louis and the only thing it said was….”sorry dude”

  • CanadaBear

    I’m amazed Andrew is still holding out hope for Grasu. Totally OK with Ward as long as he doesn’t suck moose wang.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Grasu. SMH.

      • CanadaBear

        He’s been one of the worst OL picks for the Bears in recent memory. Every time I see him on the field he’s going backwards at a high rate of speed.

        • beninnorcal

          Well, I guess he’s good at that, even though it isn’t something you want your center to be good at.

          • CanadaBear

            Look at you Ben! A ray of sunshine!!!!!!!!!

        • The Romanian rollerblader

          • CanadaBear

            Nothing against the guy but it’s pretty embarrassing to see a 300 lber getting pushed around like a wayward summer breeze (the description is Chuck Berry’s. Although he was singing about Nadine).

  • leftcoastdave

    Definitely be drafting a stud CB. It is an expensive position to fill in FA as well as a position where the kid could start day one.

  • leftcoastdave

    Trade topic: Buffalo has two first round picks and two second round picks. They just became needier with the retirement of their stud OG Richie Incognito. They signed Chris Ivory who turns 30 to “fill their need” at RB to a relatively cheap two year deal.
    Will be fun to see whether that 8 pick gets used or traded.

    • Bear Instincts

      No way they trade to #8 for Nelson. They are a QB needy team. Maybe they trade up in the 2nd round or the end of the 1st for OG

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      The Bills had a “need” at RB? They have McCoy.

      • McCoy is breaking down. They rode the shit out of him. He’s not as shifty or fast as he once was ( who is?)

        They’re a popular trade down partner for every team

        Just a matter of which QB they’re targeting.

        Though in that scenario I doubt we would have to even trade Howard. Not sure about the chart but we could prolly get their 1st and 2nd to start

  • CanadaBear

    Was just reading ESPN is launching a new subscription service tomorrow. Is this replacing their insider pkg? Not that I would pay money for their hooey.

    • beninnorcal

      I think I stopped watching that network 7 or 8 years ago. And it turned out I wasn’t alone.

      • CanadaBear

        They have very little presence in Western Canada. The only thing I watch on ESPN is MLB and NFL games. I absolutely hate those shows where they all scream at each other.

        • BerwynBomber

          I watch some of their live content — NFL, NBA, College Football, Tennis — but SportsCenter and their talking head shows seem to be circling the drain.

          • CanadaBear

            I really don’t know how anyone can watch those screaming shows. Even sports writers that you kinda like get on those shows and go crazy. It’s like they pass out steroids and testosterone before the show and film it when the drugs kick in.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Louder make me RIGHTER!”

            Not.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            They should just have Disney princesses doing the sports commentary.

            The commentary won’t be better. But at least my ears and eyes will hurt less.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Is this where Disney pays customers to watch to boost their stock?

  • willbest

    Its been a while, but as long as he isn’t drafting a QB, RB or special teamer I don’t really care what Pace does. Not that I am looking at our team as being a couple key pieces away from anything, but its the first year in a while where there hasn’t been a crater in a position group. Although pass rush is rather thin.

  • BenderMcLugh

    I’m not a big tequila guy, normally the flavor sucks and the buzz gets to be too much and I wake up in a dumpster outside my ex’s apartment building. But I recently got into Casamigos which is George Clooney’s house-brand he made with his next door neighbor down in Mexico. I watched his interview on the new Letterman show on Netflix where he talks about it…..apparently they just wanted to make a house tequila with the traits they both enjoyed and they ended up selling some at first and then it got huge and boom, billion dollar tequila company all without advertising.

    Just now I tried the Casamigos Anejo. Definitely the best tequila I’ve ever had, hands down. Highly recommend. *hic*

    • CanadaBear

      My Beloved Bride loves expensive booze (bless her heart). Price wise is this stuff about the same as Patron/Cabo Wabo etc.?

      • BenderMcLugh

        $53/bottle for the repisado, not sure what the anejo goes for. worth it though

        • CanadaBear

          My wife will love it! It’s passes the expensive test! Up here you can probably double that price. Gotta pay for that healthcare!

          • BenderMcLugh

            hahaha good luck!

  • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

    Waffle’s mocha man meat mountain madness menu:
    1. Chubb
    2. Edmunds
    3. Fitzpatrick
    4. Nelson
    5. Ward

    • BenderMcLugh

      curious….why doyou like Ward less than Fitz?

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

        I think Fitz could play more roles in the D scheme.

        • BenderMcLugh

          Cool cool

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

    Cam is a Saint.

    https://670thescore.radio.com/bears-decline-match-saints-offer-sheet-cam-meredith-free-agency

    Guess he didn’t get a higher tender because Pace didn’t want him that bad.

    • Big Mike

      There goes Pace’s mulligan. He just undid a series of brilliant moves on the Offensive Side of the ball. Unbelievable.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t get that one at all.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        I’m not that spun up over it. I really haven’t been his biggest fan. He was a nice player, but that was about it.

        He wasn’t a receiver until he got to the Bears, and was a what, a 7th rounder at that? He may go to the Saints and blow it up with Brees. But I’m guessing not.

        And in Chicago, you have Robinson, Gabriel, Burton, possibly Shaheen, Cohen, and some collection of Bellamy, Inman, etc. to throw to. Not sure how much Cam will be missed.

        I’m also thinking that knee may be worse than we know. That subject has been awfully quiet. I believe it’s the reason he received and original round tender.

        • Bears are leaking to the insiders that it’s due to medicals.

          But I don’t get why anybody gives Bears’ medical evaluations the benefit of the doubt.

          • CanadaBear

            Everything I read when it happened made it sound really nasty. Who knows?

        • Big Mike

          You need a Y receiver. Forget WR1 and WR2. X and Y line up typically on the outside. Gabriel is a Z. Our Y receiver as it stands now, is Kevin White.

          If his knee was that bad, why would the Saints take him?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I understand the issue. I just think the guy is replaceable.

            As for the knee, I’m speculating. But players show up on new teams all the time and are promptly injured. We’ve been on the shit end of that stick enough times to understand it happens.

      • SC Dave

        It’s about not having a 7th rounder replace Pace’s second highest pick to date.

        • Big Mike

          That’s a shitty scenario. Man I hope we don’t find any truth in that thought. Even worse I think Meredith was undrafted.
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  • I’ve had a lot of good things to say about Pace this offseason, so in the interests of being balanced:

    This was fucking stupid and the Bears are going to regret it.

    Also, Kevin White is currently Chicago’s WR3, Josh Bellamy WR4. That’s, uh, not good.

    It’s ok, it’s not like they now have 3 positions needing instant impact out of the draft (edge, WR, G/C) with only 2 picks in the first two days. Oh wait…

    • Big Mike

      You forgot Tanner Gentry. Taylor Gabriel is a Z, no an X or a Y. Stupid move Pace.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I had no idea what you guys were talking about and then I googled it.

      Yeah. Fucking stupid.

      “The Bears had issued an original-round tender to Meredith, valued at $1.9 million, so the Bears receive no draft pick compensation from the Saints because Meredith was an undrafted free agent.”

      So our best receiver two seasons ago is gone.

    • Couldn’t agree more, Data.

      Doesn’t make sense on any level (besides meds, which we’re not privy).

      Doesn’t make sense financially, footballwise, or every other angle I can think of.

      Short of Cam being a serial puppy rapist, his knee being shredded, or White turning into Julio Jones, this is rather risky.

      And even IF White or other players step up, we STILL could’ve traded Cam on a cheap deal to the Saints or another team for SOMETHING.

      Anything.

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  • The Bears basically chose to keep Dion Sims instead of Cam Meredith.

    I have no words.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      It’s not that simple.

      And I don’t think Meredith is the star you believe him to be.

      • I don’t care if he’s a star. He’s a solid NFL WR, which the Bears currently have only 2 of (you need at least 3).

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Maybe. Or maybe his knee is junk.

          Or maybe the combination of TEs and Cohen more than offsets Cam Meredith.

          He may prove me wrong in NO, but I’ve been something 55/45 on letting him go.

    • Joecashflow

      Matter of too much risk vs $$$. Not just a simple ACL. Already had too much risk in WR injury recovery. He is a great athlete that’s for sure. Will be missed, but I suspected the Saints offer put him out of Pace’s range.

      • CanadaBear

        You were right. Definitely surprised on my end.

        • Joecashflow

          Sometimes I hate to be right. He was my fav for 2 years. Plus I’m an Illinois State grad, Bummer.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            A wide receiver factory.

      • 2 year deals are basically 1 year guaranteed with a team option for the 2nd.

        I see no situation in which betting $5M for one year on Cam’s knee isn’t worth the potential upside (WR2 at worst).

        • Joecashflow

          What would make Cam anymore probable as W2 than White? Both coming off injury. Pace needs to show something out of White, at least put him in position to succeed.

          • Big Mike

            Maybe nothing. Depth is an issue. Also Meredith just seemed to be a guy they were counting on as #1 going into last season. It’s a 1 year $5 million insurance policy against injury to Robinson, White, etc.

          • Bear Instincts

            Maybe Pace will trade back from #8 to the Saints #27 plus two 1st and Cam. That’s the only way to not look like he going Phil Emery….pass on Chandler Jones for some guy from Bosie State

          • Cam has actually performed like a WR2 in the NFL. The few times White has been healthy and on the field he’s played like shit.

        • Bear Instincts

          How much influence did Nagy have regarding this decision?

          • I would imagine a decent amount, but Bears are making it sound like this was more medicals than anything else.

          • willbest

            Then his leg better falloff like white. I know he gets an hof QB to make him look good but he looked good when Hoyer and Barkley were throwing it.

      • Big Mike

        Is he bringing the same knee with him to New Orleans? 🙂

    • Bear Instincts

      I just sweat out all the Pace Kool Aid I’ve been drinking since the start of the off season

      • Big Mike

        Well put

    • SC Dave

      I repeat…. it’s all about Pace not having a 7th rounder ex-QB beat out his prized #7 dradt pick.

      Regardless of how shitty White looks.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        He already did. So that’s not even a thing anymore.

      • It certainly looks to me like he just can’t get over his first crush.

    • ButtonShoes

      Welcome to my world!

  • John F

    I don’t get it, I thought Pace was a mastermind and every one of his decisions was golden.

    Well, yet another hole to fill. We are short like 8-10 positions, and we’ll need to fill those just to field a halfway competent team.

    What a disaster ………….

    • this set up perfectly to get a good WR on an under-market contract through 2 years of his prime.

      Then they let him walk.

      Either the knee really is fucked or Pace did something really dumb. Maybe both (knee injuries to young players are very rarely career-altering anymore).

      • John F

        It has to be the medical thing. Despite my sarcasm, nothing else makes sense.

        • ButtonShoes

          It could just be that Pace is dumb. I mean, look at his record here so far.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      LOL. Seems like only yesterday you were bitching about two receivers coming off of knee injuries and what a disaster THAT was.

      Ok. Maybe it was like a week or two. But it feels like yesterday.

      • John F

        No, I said three guys with knee injuries but that Cam was likely gone……….

        The point is that there are just so many holes to fill, Pace might as well have kept Cam……..even with the thrashed knees

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Oh no! We did not match an offer for a middle of the road WR coming off a severe injury. What ever shall we do. I liked Cam but I don’t understand the uproar over him. He was the shiny turd.

    • Bear Instincts

      He produced better than Kevin White and did not cost as much.

    • BerwynBomber

      “Shiny turd” seems a bit harsh, but isn’t the “uproar” over the fact that Pace botched the tender process on Meredith and could have received a second round pick in compensation without tremendous trouble?

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Shiny turd is too harsh. He was a nice player. I feel he’s replaceable in the 4th round or so. And the new guy will have two good knees.

        The early reports on that knee regarding nerve damage did not sound good. Since then, pretty much radio silence as far as I can tell.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, might turn out to be a smart pass by Pace. Time will tell. And no one really knows what that knee is like (on this board at least) but the injury was grisly.

          Just surprised they didn’t pay him an extra 1M to keep him around for a one year trial.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Exactly. Time will tell.

            I’m not freaking out because I’ve been on the fence the whole time. I could have seen the logic behind either path on this one. So I’m not going to jump off the ledge here. It’s impossible to know.

            This move will be forgotten in the prop wash before long. There are so many other important things going on with the Bears right now.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He was a decent receiver. A baller. And he’s 6’3.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Shiny turd might be a little harsh, but he was nowhere near greatness some posters are claiming. He was an average WR. And I am guessing Pace and the medical staff got together and decided that he was not worth the risk due to his injury, hence the tender he got. If the offer came in lower maybe they would have matched, so it is pretty easy to conclude that they do not expect him to return to the same player he was before the injury.

  • BerwynBomber

    Surprised Pace didn’t put a second round tender on Cam.

    Wouldn’t have cost much more money and would have resulted in choice compensation if he signed elsewhere.

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

      because they don’t value him or his knee enough to pay him millions per year.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Correct. Higher compensation means nobody is looking.

      • BerwynBomber

        But would have cost them only 1M more than what they were scheduled to pay him, correct?

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 2.0

          good point, now i’m getting a little confoosed.

  • SC Dave

    nflspinzone.com/2018/04/11/chicago-bears-cameron-meredith-leaves-inexplicable/

    Sums it up pretty good.

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    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      Niners or Bears? Cuz that five field goal game was really something.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        it’s a Giants jersey isn’t it?

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Well I’m out if it is. I’m not wasting cheese sticks like that.

    • SC Dave

      Well, if its burnt around the edges, I’ll just keep the one my kids bought me that I wore to the sports bars until they let him walk.

      And no, I am NOT in the market for a #24. Rather not tempt that fate.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      Two packages of Sargento Pepper Jack Cheese Sticks. Final offer.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      No thanks, unless it’s a San Fran Jersey.

    • Irish Sweetness

      How badly is it singed?

  • BerwynBomber

    Would be surprised if we went Ward in R1.

    Pace invested pretty heavily in CB already this off-season by re-signing Fuller and Prince. Suppose it could depend on whether Callahan signs an offer sheet elsewhere in the next nine days and we match. Or what we negotiate with him after the 4/20 deadline has passed.

  • BuddhaJoe

    Don’t get the outrage about Cam. Dude had ONE pretty good season then suffered a potentially catastrophic injury. Doesn’t seem like a big deal at all to lose that.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He looked SO good compared to what else was around him.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I think that was the point.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          This seems like Pace wanting to give Kevin White another chance….even though Cam seemed like a different and better player with better hands.

          • willbest

            I suppose that is true because White wasn’t likely to make the team without Pace sending Cam away

          • SC Dave

            EXACTLY, as I have alluded to twice already.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            He offered Alshon a nice deal.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Of course that ain’t saying much, but yeah.

      • willbest

        He had Barkley and Hoyer throwing to him. He looks good by any metric. And I am not cutting Pace any slack if he puts up 800yds and 6tds in NO because of Drew Brees as a result.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Well, yeah. If our pass rush sucks we better have an awesome secondary.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Never balances out. No pass rush equals shit secondary stats.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Letting Cam go for nothing is Pace’s way of faking teams out before the draft before he takes a quarterback.

    Cam=Mike Glennon 2.0

  • willbest

    So $26 million for a 1 year wonder coming off an ACL is okay, but $5 mil is too much? Is Pace genetically predisposed to not understand how to evaluate WR talent or is it just a function of a decade of working with drew breed and not giving a shit.

    Honestly it only made sense to tender him if you wanted someone else to tell him what he was worth so you could pay him that. Otherwise, why bother, just let him walk so his agent can fully negotiate on his behalf

    • ButtonShoes

      All of this discussion is predicated on the idea that Pace knows what he’s doing. That idea is wrong.

    • SC Dave

      Yeah… the whole “medical” thing on Cam has zero credibility. It really is all about Kevin White getting one last chance to suck on the field.

  • Because why pay Cam $2M when you can pay Dion Sims $3M to not block!?

    #logic

    • willbest

      I thought we were paying sims 4.5

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        …but only 3 of that is not to block.

        • willbest

          Ah the 1.5 is not to catch I take it

          • SC Dave

            That was beautiful, guys.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Sims was 6m I thought?

  • ButtonShoes

    So Pace lets Cam go. For nothing.

    Letting go of a good player. For nothing. AGAIN.

    One of these days, Ryan Pace, you are going to get fired, and when you do, I am going to have a nice, smooth drink to celebrate when it happens.

    • That Guy

      And, should that happen, Pace will light a cigar with a $100 while you eat dog food out of a can.

      I really don’t think Pace is too concerned about your approval.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        the thing is….how many people who have played football before (not me) could have done the same or better with advisors and scouts and lawyers being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions each after 4 years?

        It’s like he’s been on the job training all this time and maybe only started to get it last year with drafting Trubisky saving his job. And then getting better this past off-season.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t think moneyball could ever work in football.

      • ButtonShoes

        He’s definitely not concerned about my approval. Neither were Phil Emery or Jerry Angelo. But fuck them all anyway. Losers, the whole lot of them.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Must be medical –
      has to be or Pace is a fool.

      • Joecashflow

        Fox says he has a knee.

  • BerwynBomber

    Putting a second round tender on Cam would have cost the Bears less than 3M. So you pay him 3M for a season and see what you have, post-injury. A one year trial.

    Only thing I can figure is that Pace and company think his knee is shot and the Saints bought a lemon.

    Otherwise, complete head-scratcher given our lack of decent depth at the position.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Eh. Between Robinson, Gabriel, Burton and Tarik there wasn’t gonna be enough balls to go around to spend money on a question mark like Cam.

      And that’s assuming Shaheen doesn’t improve, White stays a bust, and Bellamy doesn’t hit the jugs machine. If at least one of those guys improves Cam would’ve been superflulous. Plus the injury and it’s easy to see why they let him go.

      • BerwynBomber

        Bellamy? Really?

        Yeah, I don’t see it that way. Cam would have been our #2. Now it’s White. (I like Gabriel but he’s pure slot.)

        Our receiving corps was one of the worst skilled groups in the entire league last year.

        And yes, I like the Robinson and Burton signings too. But I don’t get the argument that after last year all the sudden we are an embarrassment of riches and Cam is redundant.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          I could see Bellamy becoming the necessary contributor here. He’s fast and long. Gotta work on those hands. But given the targets the Bears have now, it could work.

          And don’t forget Inman. He may thrive opposite Robinson in a professional offense. Well, if they re-sign him.

          • SC Dave

            Inman is the wild card. But, as you say, *if* he’s on the team.

        • SC Dave

          Robinson is coming off a season ending knee injury too

        • Irish Sweetness

          Kevin gets his shot. Hope he surprises people.

      • But why not keep Cam?
        He was the #2 WR for most fans as of now (not some theoretical future reality)

        Can a QB have TOO many weapons? Is that such a thing?

        And if the cup runneth over, then TRADE Cam.

        Lots of teams would LOVE a cheap young WR. Fuck, get ANYTHING for him.

        Even a 6th. Better than nothing, which is exactly what Pace got. NOTHING.

    • SC Dave

      No. It’s about justifying one last chance for Kevin White to suck in a regular season game.

      Before some other part breaks.

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

    One team was interested in Cam Meredith. One.

    Let that sink in whilst you all change your underpants.

    • Only one team offered Fuller anything.
      By that logic, he must suck and Pace is still a sucker.

      Meredith was proven. Sure, it was a limited window, but he looked the part.

      This reminds me of the idiots who wanted to cut Miller last PS because they thought Daniel fucking Brown was somehow better.

      You keep the proven guy til the “upside” players (like Gabriel, White, Inman, etc) SHOW us they are real.

      Same logic to keep Sitton.

      Sure, I like Kush, and who knows about Morgan, but they haven’t done it over a season.

      Cam looked promising.

      If Pace had signed Cam, Bear homers would be saying, “Oh, Cam is awesome. He could easily hit 1,000 yds receiving in a real O…etc etc…”

      Fact. We’re a WORSE team w-out him. Saints are a better team w him as of NOW.

      Lots of stuff can happen between now and kickoff, but this is just another stupid decision by Pace IMO.

      Can White suddenly become Julio Jones like he was supposed to? Sure.
      Can Taylor Gabriel suddenly become a #2? Sure.
      Can Inman somehow surprise everyone? Sure
      Can Bellamy suddenly catch? Sure

      But I don’t see why you gamble, ESP over a MEASLY $1 or $2M.

      Pace could’ve signed 10 Cams with the contracts he ate on Glennon alone.

      I get this feeling that Pace did the Saints a solid at the expense of the Bears.

      • SC Dave

        I truly believe this is all about kevin white and Pace’s ego. Pace better be right.

        Or prove me wrong by cutting that bust in favor of Inman. Fat chance.

        • I’m thinking you’re right, cuz the alternatives are…

          Pace is a secret pawn for the Saints
          Pace can’t evaluate WR for shit
          Pace doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing when it comes to FA contracts

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Your first point is a fair one.

        The rest are meaningless until Meredith proves his knee works. Nobody knows. Yet everybody spouts off as though they do.

        And we all know Glennon was a mistake. It was a gamble he built an easy out into. Didn’t work. But he’s gone. It’s over.

        • Till Meredith proves his knee works?
          How about Allen’s knee, or White’s everything?

          That’s why he should’ve kept Cam. If Allen’s knee acts up and White’s vag breaks again, Trub is back to throwing to Bellamy and Inman.

          And if a fan says, “Well, he can draft a WR”.

          A. We don’t even have a 3rd.
          B. We have a MILLION holes everywhere else.

          Also, this is exactly why I say that Pace is avg. He does some good stuff then turns around and does this shit, or cuts slauson/sitton, or allows our desperate rival to make a run at our best CB, or hires Glennon, Demps…

          I feel like there’s an inherent trojan virus corrupting Pacebot that is embedded and will continue outputting these types of moves…

      • BerwynBomber

        I don’t think the “idiots” thought Daniel Brown was better. But they thought he was significantly cheaper and more durable. I did, at least.
        Don’t know if you are being smart casting aspersions at those who took that side of the argument.
        We just resigned Brown. Miller? Wouldn’t be surprised if his career is over.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Us “idiots” figured Miller would be cut thought that for a bunch of reasons not one of them was because of Daniel Brown.
        1. Miller was old 33
        2. Miller was coming off a lisfranc injury. An injury that usually takes a notoriously long time to heal.
        3. Miller is made of glass with a long history of getting injured.
        4. With the signing of Sims and drafting of Shaheen it seemed very plausible he would be cut.

        • BerwynBomber

          I actually liked what little was seen of Brown in ’16. He had sure hands. At least that season.

          But yeah, the Miller skepticism was mostly about fragility and age. Don’t know how those criticisms were disproved last season.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Wait, we lost Cam?

      • Joecashflow

        Not only was he proven, he was 25, your own guy! Already invested in your system. The “dumb” here is not investing another mil, to get a second rd pick. We gave away a 25 year old groomed guy for zip. If he truly was questionable with ACL + MCL, cut him, but don’t piss him away, with low ball offer that gets us nothing. Clearly bonehead.

    • ButtonShoes

      Actually it was at least two. Saints and Ravens.

  • “Cam Meredith was going to be the 4th or 5th” – Jeff
    Funny, pretty sure Meredith was the #2 target, until he didn’t get signed. Now, he’s the 8th WR with a bum knee

    “Dontrelle Inman is better than Cam Meredith.” – Jeff

    How about we let them prove it on the field? And whoever lost, we can possibly trade (or cut) with lil cap hit.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yah. Dontrelle has done nothing to show he’s on Cam’s level yet. Mightn’t make the team.

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  • Eric Allen

    Kevin “glass jaw joe” white better have a break out season

  • FJ doreza

    Some fans believe that RB is set position for the us..I don’t, considering the new offense Nagy is installing, and his less than glowing response to Howard’s running style at the combine..That’s a position that NEEDS an upgrade.Why is 1000 yds a big deal for a RB? The standard should be 100 yds a game, so lets say 1400 yds means something. Besides, the draft is about upgrading/BPA more than needs..but if the two coincide then great.Howard is a good RB, not great, he was a backup to a quicker, faster and more elusive RB in Langford..unfortunate series of events gave Howard the opportunity..IF they could use him to move up or get a pick in the draft would be great..They could get a RB that is more explosive, has lateral quickness to break ankles and the power to break tackles, and the speed to turn long runs into TD’s.Imagine if they took Kamara last year..I see a better RB in Sony Michel that could be there in the 2nd.He’s got the lateral quickness and agility to be elusive with his micro moves/jump cuts, he’s got great burst/explosiveness with the vision/instincts to be a TD threat every time he touches the ball. He’s also a better fit for the new offense with zone blocking that rewards elusiveness and quickness but SONY also has the power to break tackles and run through tacklers. He’s got good hands and has far less mileage than the other RBs in the draft..YES, I would be thrilled as hell if they drafted him.

  • FJ doreza

    Is the Cam loss that big of a deal? Not really, he was the best WR on team of subpar WR’s, but I see the point of losing him without compensation, perhaps there is something we don’t know. Regardless, there are a few very good options in the draft that don’t need to happen in the first two rounds.Antonio Callaway is the BEST WR that no one is talking about because of a stupid mistake he and other team mates were guilty of..He took full responsibility and made no excuses, not an unforgivable error. He’s 6ft 200, 4.41 40 with natural hands, and an explosive playmaker that would easily make us forget about Cam..Another option is Cedric Wilson, 6-3 190, 4.55 40, good hands with advanced and savvy route running skills perhaps from his former NFL WR father..a big 6-5 218, 4.56 40, big hands and big play 50/50 ball winner..Jaleel Scott is a raw and promising WR that is known for his incredible one handed, falling backward catch a la Beckham, he’s a long strider, with good speed but less quickness..These 3 WR’s could be steals of the draft, especially Antonio Callaway who also was value as a KR/PR and can play slot or the outside deep threat.

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