Packers Loss Should Effectively End the John Fox Era in Chicago

| November 13th, 2017

If Sunday’s horrendous performance against an undermanned Green Bay Packers, at home, in an empty stadium, didn’t seal John Fox’s fate with the Chicago Bears…what could? That is the question every single Bears fan can fairly ask this Monday morning. Because what happened at Soldier Field yesterday was inexcusable. The Bears, coming off the bye week, were out-coached and outplayed in all three phases of the game. And they were beaten by Brett Hundley.

The reasons to fire Fox all surfaced yesterday.

  • The Bears learned nothing from supposed bye week self-evaluation and ran into loaded boxes time and time again. (Oddly, when they didn’t, they hit for big plays. Who would have thought?) Even the color commentators don’t hide their disdain for the Bears offensive plan each week.
  • The Bears have no idea what to do with their talent, which has to infuriate GM Ryan Pace. This CAN’T be what he envisioned for Tarik Cohen. Two offensive touches? Two?!?!
  • Penalties, penalties, penalties. And not just flow of the game penalties. You can excuse a pass interference here or holding there. But the Bears commit pre-snap penalties that just don’t happen with good, well-coached teams.
  • Mismanagement. Why on earth would John Fox challenge the Benny Cunningham dive? Seriously. Why? Anybody who follows the league knew what had happened because it’s been happening in high profile games all season long. Hell, I was sitting in a bar and didn’t even need replay to proclaim it was a touchback. (I was actually yelling for Bears to hurry up and snap the next play.) Fox’s face after the ruling told the story: he had no clue that outcome was possible.
  • Scheme. The Bears are never smarter than the other guys. You never watch the Bears play, on either side of the ball, and think, “Wow, they are well-coached.” There is no excuse for a defense as talented as the Bears to perform how they performed yesterday. Detroit made Brett Hundley look unprofessional. Chicago made Brett Hundley look like Brett Favre.

There were positives in this game. Mitch Trubisky. Dontrelle Inman. Adam Shaheen made a big play. Connor Barth looked like a pro kicker. But the Bears aren’t in the business of moral victories any longer. John Fox and this coaching staff need to show their program and approach will yield results. And yesterday was a game they HAD to win. That’s not hyperbolic. That’s a fact.

Because that coach on the other sideline ain’t going anywhere. And the next time the Bears face the Packers, it won’t be Hundley. It’ll be Rodgers. And if Rodgers played this week, it wouldn’t have been 23-16. It would have been 43-16. Pace needs to recognize that. This Bears GM is doing a nice job rebuilding this roster but all of those efforts will be for naught if he continues to entrust John Fox with their deployment.

The Fox era is over. And if Ryan Pace needed the Bears to collapse over the second half of the season to make a change, yesterday began that process.

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  • Aaron T. Starks

    I can’t disagree with a single syllable. I’d fire Fox tonight. What’s the use of letting him stay on? Fire hi, let Fangio be HC and continue.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Not foreseeing the turnover I get. Cool. But deciding to challenge in the first place because you thought you had a touchdown … with all their freakin ipads can’t anyone see what everyone else can see in slow motion over and over…? And it turned out to pretty much be the difference in the game (granted we would have had to score from the 2 etc., but we generally don’t have a problem getting two yards.)

    I like Chucky as the guy. Fox just looks like he checked out a long time ago. He looks like a retired, divorced cop, whose kids don’t give a shit whether he’s alive or dead, and lives in the bottle, on his own, in serviced apartments.

    Retrospective thoughts on the game:

    They blitzed the shit out of MT all day long. Our tackles suck. They do. They’ve always sucked and for some reason it goes unmentioned. Calling protections aside – and the lack of a guy to do it (though Grasu is actually a Center!)- Leno just can’t deal with the quick guys, hasn’t got the feet. And Massie is a JAG. Grasu is about their third maybe fourth choice, but with a center in there, the middle is fine, but our tackles do not cut the mustard. Build the trenches with high picks. Good for MT, good for the run game, good for the defense. For some reason we pay no heed to the OT position come draft time. Why?

    • Scharfinator

      I don’t understand that bit either. Do teams not employ staff just to assess challenge situations? Have some guys on all the broadcasts and take a few looks then radio down to the HC.

      • Joecashflow

        It’s assigned to the assistant coaches.

    • BearDown100393

      Hobo checked out during his job interview.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Grasu is a shit stain. Constantly getting pushed back. The tackles would be serviceable if the QB had a pocket to step up into, unfortunately you don’t get that ability with Grasu in there. Also by calling the Tackles serviceable is not an endorsement and does not mean they should not be upgraded.

      • ButtonShoes

        Has Grasu had one good year with this team? I don’t think he has. His first year he was awful, he was injured the 2nd, and this year he’s been awful again. And our tackles are not serviceable. They’re turnstiles.

        • BearDown100393

          His best season was tearing his knee during mom and pop day at Soldier Field.

    • Joecashflow

      I’m gunna steal that whoa-Nellie’s reference. Lol.

    • The fact that you think Grasu is good almost negates the rest of your analysis.

      I think any of your WR PS boners (btw, how’s that boner holding up?) are better players than Grasu.

      Pace tipped his hand this offseason when he tried to get that RT from the Ravens but couldn’t.

      The one thing Pace does do is try to improve the Oline, so that should make you happy.

      I think he’ll draft an OT/OG next draft esp now with Trub on board (or try to steal one in FA again, but they’re hard to come by)

      haha…Fox played by Mickery Rourke

      • Irish Sweetness

        Where did I say Grasu was good? I never said that. He is an actual centerr … means he played the position in college.

        “The one thing Pace does do is try to improve the Oline”

        That’s clearly a thing he’s not trying to do though.

  • Viva

    Dave Toub for HC

    • BearDown100393

      He’s far too intelligent to enter this quagmire.

  • You never watch the Bears play, on either side of the ball, and think, “Wow, they are well-coached.”

    Let’s not be overly reactionary here. We all had good things to say about the defensive coaching at the bye. You gave the defensive coaching an A- just last week.

    Fangio dropped a stinker yesterday, especially in the 4th quarter. He got too safe, which led to the loss. But let’s not pretend the month before the bye didn’t happen.

    He HAD this defense playing with an edge and playing great football. Hopefully they get back to that.

    • BearDown100393

      It does not matter anymore. The season is over.

      • I know, I’m just saying that statement is overly reactionary. That was arguably the best defense in football for the month of October. You don’t get that without being well coached.

        • BearDown100393

          For 1 month.

    • madscout12

      The statement stands for the HC and OC, Data, and he’s not wrong. I think jeffe would keep Fangio around if that could happen.

    • Joecashflow

      Danny T was sorely missed in the middle yesterday.

      • ButtonShoes

        Trevathan wasn’t the reason the defense was shit. Danny was there in the previous game against Green Bay and the defense played like shit then, too. It was a collective failure, from Fangio down to the players on the field.

  • fishing florida

    progress with this team is like walking through quicksand with two clown shoes on the wrong feet. and, i’m being kind.i would fire fox and loggains this morning and pick two guys out of the stands next game to replace them. they couldn’t do any worse and likely cheaper.

    • BearDown100393

      Pace is a waste.

      He can go also.

      For Sale sign in front of Halas would also be warranted.

  • ButtonShoes

    “This Bears GM is doing a nice job rebuilding this roster”

    The fact that you can say this week in, week out, with a straight face boggles my mind. Not that the coaches aren’t primarily responsible for the shitshow yesterday, but the talent on this roster is constantly overrated. Take the defense. When Leonard Floyd has trouble getting past Justin McCray, I don’t want to hear how he’s some kind of generational talent. When Fuller is constantly getting burned on play after play, I don’t want to hear that he’s this team’s cornerback of the future. When Adrian Amos has exactly 1 interception after 41 games as a professional football player, I don’t want to hear people talking about him like he’s the second coming of Mike Brown.

    There is a consistent refusal to evaluate this team and what it is honestly and objectively. No, the Bears don’t have a good defense. And it’s obvious their offense is a trash fire, seeing as how there isn’t one decent wide receiver or tight end on it, and the offensive line, which was supposed to be a strength, blows. Trubisky isn’t anything great, good, or even average but then he wasn’t going to be any of those things this year, so I’ll cut the kid some slack. And our coaching staff, front office, medical staff and scouting regime need to be tarred, feathered, and run out of this town on a rail. This team has major problems. It’s not good. It’s bad. And the failure to acknowledge that will keep us from getting better.

    • BearDown100393

      Because the local natives here expect and crave the narrative.

      It is more important here to defend a terrible organization instead of demanding a quality one.

    • Except they do have a good defense. There really is no debating that. They’re currently 13th in the NFL in DVOA and points per game allowed (and that would be top 10 if you remove the points opposing teams scored off of Mike Glennon, plus the 2 ST TDs allowed that aren’t on the defense one bit).

      The offense is a disaster, which is partly personnel (and a rookie QB) but also partly coaching. My biggest complaint there (aside from the consistently awful play calling) is that the OL has seriously regressed-every single player is playing worse than they have last year.

      • Joecashflow

        I don’t think Montgomery scores that TD with Travethon in the middle. May even have been stopped for loss. We play lousy without him.

        • That’s because the starting ILBs yesterday were 3rd (Kwiat) and 4rth (Jones) on the depth chart.

          Freeman (a badass, pour 40oz) and Tre were our projected ILB starters.

          • Irish Sweetness

            CJ has been solid. Kwiat is the weak link. Neither can call a defense.

          • Actually, not that I think about it, CJ might’ve been the 5th ILB behind Timu.

      • Irish Sweetness

        13th in the NFL!!!! See>? Mediocrity is being peddled for ‘good’.

        Defense is not measured with numbers, Woodsy, it’s measured in violence. How much of it can you dish out to mess with the offense? We’re more like the Salvation Army than Lucifer’s Hellions.

    • Bear Instincts

      Who is responsible for nurturing the talent that these players have shown to its optimal level so that they can compete to the standard the NFL requires?


      “….but the talent on this roster is constantly overrated”. Ya know what….they said that about the talent on the LA Rams last year….and now I heard Dan Patrick talk about all the “playmakers” on their team. The Rams didn’t turn over theri whole roster in the off season….just got better coaches. Bad coaches and bad systems can make the best players look ordinary….not to say we have great players, but we just don’t really know yet.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    The use of Cohen, or lack thereof, continues to baffle me. For years we have been looking for a Sproles type player, guys like Wolfe and Allen. Now that we have someone we just don’t use him, and when we do we don’t use him properly.

    • DaBearsBlog

      And this match-up was calling out for him. Bears had to anticipate Capers would blitz a ton and Cohen was the perfect outlet.

      • BearDown100393

        The Green Bay Packers are a bad football team treading downhill, poorly coached and managed and owned by 100,000 incest interrelated obese alcoholics.

        And yet still do better than the Bears.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I expected quick screens to him or even some end arounds, make the opposing D respect the weapon, so they could not just t-off on their rush.

      • Big Mike

        Mind boggling.

    • ButtonShoes

      That’s an indictment of both Fox and Loggains.

      • BearDown100393

        The reality is simple. The Bears are the ENRON of the NFL.

    • BearDown100393

      Cohen only appears decent because the Bears are thin at every position. Yes he should be used more. But his ceiling is JAG limited across the league.

      • A7Xthebest

        Uh, this is not even borderline, it’s a completely moronic statement.

        • BearDown100393

          Moronic is your avatar

  • DBears

    I’m not sure what benefit if any there would be but I agree with Aaron…. Fire Fox at least to signal to every candidate and coach we may be interested in that we have an opening. Let Fangio become interm… let Loggians call a more balanced offense and at the end of the season let all of them go. I’ve been on the keep Fangio wagon for a while but in 3 seasons I have seen ZERO indications he can set this team up for success against GB.

    • ButtonShoes

      For all this talk of Fangio being good, this team’s defense is the complete opposite of opportunistic. They couldn’t make an interception or turnover if their lives depended on it.

  • Big Mike

    I agree with Jeff. I’ve seen enough. Fox has been a disaster. I hate to say it, but we need to rebuild the rebuild. He’s the wrong guy for this team.

    • BearDown100393

      You have to cut the head off the snake here.

      That ain’t Hobo.

  • TBC

    Oof. you poor bastards.

  • Cockney Kirk

    I had a dream last night that all the fans of Bears rode to Halas Hall on horseback, and the black gates opened and the Mouth of George came forth to treat with us.

    Then Waffle cut off his head.


  • SC Dave

    First down plays:

    Howard, right guard, -1
    Howard, right end, -1
    Trubisky to Shaheen, short right, 31
    Howard, left guard, 14
    Howard, left guard, 4
    Howard, right guard, 4
    Howard, left guard, 3
    Cohen, left guard, 1
    Howard, left guard, -3
    Trubisky, sacked, -5
    Trubisky to Cunningham, short right, 4
    Trubisky, deep left, incomplete
    Trubisky, short right, incomplete
    Howard, left end, 1
    Trubisky, sacked, -8
    Howard, right guard, 2
    Howard, right guard, 3
    Trubisky to Bellamy, deep left, 46TD
    Trubisky to Inman, short middle 17
    Trubisky to Inman, short right, 12
    Trubiksy, deep middle, incomplete
    Trubisky, deep right, incomplete
    Trubisky to Wright, short right, 11
    Trubisky, short left, incomplete

    11 runs, 13 passes

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      2.81 yards per rush on 1st down. Why? Because they were running into 8-9 man boxes. 8 of their first 9 1st down plays were runs.

      Predictable? Yes.
      Formations: I formations, 2 TE sets. Clearly running formations. The 14 yard run was a draw play on a 1st and 20 play.

      They did not start throwing until they had to.

    • The last 7 were all passes while they were chasing.

      Before that, 11 runs, 6 passes. A bit better, but still lopsided.

      8 of first 9 were runs (for a total of 21 yards) before they realized that wasn’t working because GB had 9 men in the box every time.

      Spread them out with 3 WRs, then run. Let Howard truck some smaller DBs while running full speed instead of getting hit behind the LOS by LBs and DL every play.

  • BearDown100393

    I hate losing to Green Bay.

    It is tragic that it has become an acceptable outcome.

  • BearDown100393

    “There’s a lot of anger around Halas Hall today. And it’s still early in the day.”

    Seriously, so what?

    This was already played out by George and gang with the Emery/Trestman fiasco.

    The real problem is quite simple. Inept ownership leading to bad personnel decision making.

    The anger should be due to mass firing and a “For Sale” sign on the front lawn of Halas Hall.

    Anything else is window dressing to appease the hungover masses dumb enough to buy this dreck of a narrative.

    Demand real change for once.

    • Bear Instincts

      How is firing Pace as you are insinuating going to fix the play calling or the lack of lack of effort the players showed? How is firing Pace going to motivate the players to go out there and shellack a Rodger less Packers?

      • BearDown100393

        The Bears don’t have players capable of beating the Packers regardless of the coaching.

        The problems are multi-dimensional and not a singular cause.

        Yes fire Hobo. But that still does not solve the bigger issues.

        • Bear Instincts

          Look at the Rams last year and look at them this year. They have the highest scoring offense this year. What are the changes they made between last year and this year to being this change about?

          • BearDown100393

            Everybody talks about the Rams here.

            The Bears are not the Rams.

            If you like the Rams, cheer for the Rams.

          • Bear Instincts

            The point is that they did not trade their entire roster for a brand new one. They added a few players like very other team. The difference has been in the coaching. Most of us on here are saying that this team it talented enough to compete but the coaching needs to do more to put the talent in a position to succeed

          • BearDown100393

            The point is the first serious move the Rams did was leave the midwest for LA. And then fired Fisher.

            Most of you are completely wrong and have been for quite sometime.

            Don’t blame me. Blame the losses. Especially against Green Bay.

          • Bear Instincts

            Time to block your comments

          • BearDown100393

            How trump.

          • This team needs 1-2 more WRs, growth from their young QB, and a quality coaching staff and they are one of the top 10 teams in the NFL.

          • BearDown100393

            You forgot about an offensive line.

          • No I didn’t. They have plenty of talent on the OL (though they need to add a young tackle to develop). We’ve seen that group perform at a very high level before. The problem there is also fixed by a quality coaching staff (they fired OL coach after last year, and I think it’s safe to say that hasn’t worked out).

          • BearDown100393

            The O-line was criticized by many here as an alibi for Trubisky.

          • leftcoastdave

            With Long out and Grassu on roller skates bad things happened. That said, counting the rook on the practice squad and the walking wounded, next year should be better with a second or third round OT pick to develop with Compton possibly even competing there.

          • Kush back too. Interior OL is excellent with excellent depth. OT is adequate starters with zero depth.

          • BearDown100393

            Everybody refers to the Rams.

            Didn’t the Rams cut Kush?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Adequate for what?

          • leftcoastdave

            No, the difference is getting to know your receivers and being able to recognize defensive schemes.

  • BearDown100393

    “Also, this seems to go unsaid. But I watch football because it’s
    entertaining. Are any fans entertained by this Bears team? They’re a
    colossal bore.”

    I prefer boring winning versus exciting losing.

    Pace’s Bears (this is his team ) are both boring and losing.

    Firing Hobo is the easy part. Dealing with the actual problem is more difficult.

    • Bear Instincts

      Pace is not the coach nor is he playing on the field. He simply finds the talent for Fox to utilize. I asked this on the last thread and I will ask it again: would this team be playing better or in a better position to succeed if it was coached by Tomlin, Carroll, McCarthy, Payton or Bilechick?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis


      • BearDown100393

        Uh what talent?

        • Bear Instincts

          Howard. Choen. MT10 (look at Goffe 15 & 16). Hicks. Goldman. Trevathan. Jackson. Dont let defeat cloud your vision. We are a talented team that is poorly coached?

          • BearDown100393

            The reality is this team cannot beat Green Bay.

            The Bears are not talented. Not on the field. Not on the sideline. And not in the front office.

            This is a terrible organization.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            well go root for another team or go play in traffic.

          • Bear Instincts

            Thank you

          • BearDown100393

            So you wish me dead. Fair enough. But that still solves nothing with the Bears.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            That’s the thing, you offer nothing, except bitching and moaning. No real solutions, except fire everyone, and sell the team. You have shown nothing in the way of having one ounce of anything that resembles football acumen. You have not shown in this blog anything that even comes close to being knowledgeable, or having high football IQ. To say that this team has no talent is just idiotic.

            I once found your comments somewhat entertaining, but that’s when I assumed you were just trolling and being sarcastic. But you have gone off the deep end, you are just an idiot.

          • BearDown100393

            Name calling is a definitive example of Bears fan football acumen.

            So who again is the idiot?

          • Cockney Kirk

            Giant dick is a giant dick. Block him.

          • BearDown100393

            I have no problem taking on all criticism.

          • Bear Instincts

            Why are you here then? We are a talented team. We have a good talent evaluator in Pace (not great but good).

          • BearDown100393

            Because silence is not the answer. I am simply not going to shut up and walk away because I don’t feed into the delusional banter that accepts failure.

          • Bear Instincts

            What is the answer then because you don’t see any positives that the organization can build from.

          • BearDown100393

            The McCaskeys sell the team to an owner serious about winning in the NFL and not taking a fanbase for granted is the starting point.

            No I am not going to shut up or walk away simply to make this board feel comfortable with losing to the Green Bay Packers.

          • Bear Instincts

            No one is comfortable losing to a Rodger less Packers.

          • BearDown100393

            This board is very comfortable losing against Green Bay under any game situation.

            It justifies its losing and it rationalizes consistent failure.

            I do not consider that “being a fan”.

          • Cockney Kirk

            Wow, it’s like somebody injected BearDown with a sanity serum.

          • BearDown100393

            Truth serum was injected after yesterday’s game.

          • Bear Instincts

            We lost. UGLY. like the two 50 burgers from a few years ago. we looked inept. No one is denying that. However there is talent on this team. I get you are tired of losing but get a grip man.

          • BearDown100393

            So the Bears “look better” now when losing.

            Moral victories.

            Got it.

          • ButtonShoes

            Doesn’t talent have to produce? If we’re talented, shouldn’t that result in wins? Talent can carry you there sometimes. Yet time and again this team falls short, despite the talent potential we’re constantly told we have. We lose and we lose and we lose. We’re 3-6. Games against Detroit and Philly coming up. Do we have a realistic shot at winning either of them? My take is no, given yesterday’s performance.

            I mean, if some people have had enough of that kind of failure, you can’t blame them for being pessimistic. We hit a new low yesterday, in a long line of lows dating back years and years and years. Seriously, do you think we have enough talent so that next year, we have a shot at the playoffs? A rebuild should take 3 years, right? That’s about the amount of time it takes to restock the team with young talent and make a push for the postseason. Ryan Pace will have had his 3 years. Is there enough of a core to get there? I don’t think so. And I don’t trust Ryan Pace to either draft or sign in free agency the talent necessary to get us there. He nickels and dimes in free agency, and his drafts don’t produce talent that perform consistently. Remember how his 2016 draft was supposed to be an all-timer? It doesn’t look so great now, does it? So you know, BearDown’s got a grip. He’s been exposed to the reality of how completely inept this franchise is. And trust me, when you have that happen, you don’t react well to it.

          • BearDown100393

            The narrative conveniently alternates between “development” and “winning”.

          • Bear Instincts

            How would you feel if our talent went to another team and started producing?

          • BearDown100393

            What talent?

          • ButtonShoes

            Obviously angry. But that presumes these players are legitimately talented and the only thing holding them back is coaching. I don’t think even you believe it’s that simple.

          • BearDown100393

            Yesterday Shea was defended here.

            Yeah. SHEA

          • Bear Instincts

            We are not talented at every level. We have some pieces. The coaching staff has to be held responsible for not producing the same way our talent is held responsible. You cant blame one with out the other

          • BearDown100393


            It is all subpar.

          • Deonte Thompson in his FIRST game on the Bills racked up 100 yds.

          • leftcoastdave

            Sound and fury signifying nothing.

            What is, is. All the typing on this board is not going to change one thing other than possibly gaining a better understanding of what is happening and what is likely to happen in the future.

            Calls for “changes,” whatever they might be, are mere shouts of pain in the wilderness being heard by nobody that matters.

          • BearDown100393

            You are right about nobody mattering here.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What the fuck does that mean???

      • madscout12

        100% yes with McCarthy, Payton and Hoodie

        • BearDown100393

          This is why the Bears lose.

  • Bear Instincts

    The same way we evaluate player talent is the same way we need to
    evaluate coaching talent. Fangio questioned Fullers commitment/passion
    for the game basically checking out. Same thing need to happen to the
    coaching staff. Is this coaching staff committed to winning? Does this
    coaching staff have the passion necessary to coach this team? Has this
    coaching staff checked out?

    • BearDown100393

      Yes it has checked out. The coaching staff does not believe in Pace’s players.

      • Bear Instincts

        When a player no longer believes in a coach “no longer buying in” the player gets cut/traded.

        • BearDown100393

          Most of this roster should be grateful for even being under NFL contract.

          • Joecashflow

            What’s really going to happen, is nothing. Until season end. At this point, the OC will then be fired, not the HC. The rest of season shows if Fox has lost this team.

          • BearDown100393

            You need to see more to find out if Hobo lost this talent deficient team?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Fuck them. The players count, not the coaches. We need to change the coaches.

  • leftcoastdave


    Hundley stepped into a system with Jordy Nelson (10yr pro), Randall Cobb (7yr pro), Devante Adams (4yr) and Ty Montgomery (3yrs). They’ve all been there, done that and got the t-shirt. Hundley has watched enough from the sidelines, not to mention film, to know who is going to be where.

    Yup. That matters.

    The O line has been da Bears strength, but now the injuries are taking their toll. Does Grassu wear cleats?

    Does Danny T mean all that much to the D? Or is there a leadership vacuum on the field which comes from rookie or virtual rookie safeties?

    It is hard not to see that developing the continuity along with a new winning culture takes time.

    • Joecashflow

      Yes all of that, but it’s also time to see some coaching, some halftime adjustments, a glimmer of hope. Been waiting since ’85 .

      • BearDown100393

        For many here, 1985 was literally just yesterday.

        • Scharfinator

          Far too many. I’m sick of hearing about that team.

          • BearDown100393

            It has become an albatross

          • Irish Sweetness

            You don’t like winning? You want to lose and you’re happy about it?

            I’ve seen defenses that work. Teams that have identities. That was one of them. They’re the model until they’re not.

          • Scharfinator

            Lol Irish, what a straw man argument. Sure I like my team winning, who doesn’t?

            Anyone who gets invested enough in a sports team that the W/L record affects them in a significant way needs to do some self reflection. There’s absolutely nothing we can do to change what happens in those games and that team, so why get so worked up about it?

            It’s lunacy. I, to my chagrin, used to be that way with the Bears, but it is so much easier to let the dumpster burn on its own.

            As for ’85 – it’s the model? That 30+ year old team is the MODEL for the Bears? No wonder they suck, they’re running the Model T against a Ferrari.

  • Joecashflow

    It’s Monday. It still hurts. But I went to local Tampa BAY game instead of watching the beloved. Watched last night on gamepass. Let’s start by firing the OC. I don’t care who replaces him. If he can’t plan against 9 in the box, WTF. Beautiful 40+ yd TD pass by Biscuit. That’s 2 for 2, deja vu pre-season. Something to hope for. He does throw dimes. He does have wheels. When undersized Grasu started, we were doomed. Rush up the middle killed the pocket. Don’t blame the rookie QB. Coaching lives with this one. The question is, what will The GM do ? So sick, I can’t even remember his name. That’s telling.

    • BearDown100393

      If Pace was accountable, he would offer his resignation. As would the entire coaching staff.

  • George Hotchkiss

    In the real world, results matter. You can talk potential and what ifs all day but, results matter. I have been a Bears fan since 1965, saw my first Bears game in Wrigley. I have seen some really bad Bears teams and some really good ones. This team falls in the middle talent wise. But, I have been saying for a couple of years in my Bears blogs posts look at results and look at the coaching. Lovie was exasperating but his teams came to play and other teams had to try to adapt to his schemes. Right now other teams just do what they want and wait for the Bears to screw up on their own.

    The book is still out on Trubisky, but he is a great kid and I want him to succeed. If the Bears remember who they are and play punishing defense and execute on both sides of the ball he will be fine. The Bears are not a well coached team, that young team stuff is crap. Those players executed in college, that’s how they made it to the NFL.

    The book is still out on Pace he has had 3 off seasons to build a young core that is plenty of time. The core is not there, there are a few high points but how many of the young players are quality NFL starters at this point. I think he has some good instincts, but if there is no real progress towards excellence next year, then he should get the boot.

    Finally, as Bears fans we need to demand excellence. Our defense should be out of this world and our offense should be good enough to take advantage of what the defense gives them. Opposing quarterbacks should dread a Bears date on the calendar. That’s who we are, that is how the Bears have been successful for over 90 years, the last 5 not withstanding. Bear Down…

    • BearDown100393

      This is not the place that demands excellence. It accepts mediocrity for excellence and shouts down anyone suggesting otherwise.

    • Scharfinator

      I think the results still matter for the Bears – as a business. Revenue is fine. Until W-L translate into actual fiscal impacts (and that will take a loooong time), the results are great.

      • BearDown100393

        If this board is a microcosm for the actual fan base, the McCaskeys have nothing to worry about financially.

        • CanadaBear

          BD I thought maybe you would come back a little less agitated today. I guess not. The McCaskey’s have nothing to worry about financially whether the blog are fans or not. They could sell the team for upwards of $2 billion.

          • BearDown100393

            I wish they would sell.

            We could enjoy better discussions here.

          • Malice Halice

            I feel BD’s pain tho but da bears been a mismanaged team since da Colts loss and it got WORSE. We went from a SB appearance in 05, didn’t get a 1st down in 2qtrs of play. A horrible showing in da NFCC against our Rival, cutler went down wit a phantom injury Outscored 90-30 points in just 2 games, including our Rival. Not a SINGLE FA or draft stuck with us for longevity supplying production. We continue to get our asses handed to us by the Packers. We haven’t won 12 games In 10 years! This team fuckin SUCKS! Yet fans sheepishly fill da seats.

          • CanadaBear

            And most of them paid for PSL’s. Bend over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • BerwynBomber

      Don’t quite agree that Pace has not built a nice young core since he has been here.

      Everything, to some degree, will come down to whether he got it right with Bisky, but Pace has brought in some decent young players — Hicks, Goldman, Floyd, Jackson, Whitehair, Cohen — whom could be eight year starters provided development, injuries and contract negotiations work out favorably.

      • Sactowns#1

        hu?! Who has he gotten in FA that you would consider part of a nice young core?

        • BerwynBomber

          Hicks, Trevathan and maybe even a kid like Callahan.

          • Sactowns#1

            Hicks is 28 and Danny T is 27. I like them both but they aren’t exactly young.

          • BerwynBomber

            Right but generally you’re not getting 23 year olds in FA unless it is waiver/PS level guys.

            Anyone decent won’t be available until their four year rookie deal is up. So Hicks and Trevathan were in fact “young” FA guys on the market.

          • beninnorcal

            Who gets quality FA’s that are younger than that? FA’s don’t really come any younger unless they suck.

          • willbest

            A team controls a player for their first 4 years. The age min on the league is 21. So 25 is the youngest you are going to get an FA unless a team has given up on the player. Of course any player that spends 4 or 5 years in college is going to be older than that.

            A quality FA though runs the risk of getting tagged, and teams are generally pretty good at evaluating talent they have in their building. Which is a polite way of saying almost every FA ends up being overpaid. Also Hicks and Danny have been here a year. And week 1 last year both Hicks and T were 26. Which means they were about as young as they could be when they were signed.

          • 28-27 is considered an NFL player’s prime, depending on position.

            Considering our window is in the next 3 yrs, they’ll be ok.

            And it’s not as if Pace is going to stop signing ILBs and DEs, or other positions.

            Pace’s M.O. is to target 25ish FAs.

            Though I still think he absolutely needs to start signing blue-chip talent.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d be happy to have Terrence Newman and he’s 39.

      • BearDown100393

        I don’t want a nice core.

        I want an ass kicking mean core that routinely thumps Green Bay.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He left us without tackles, receivers and coaches … and traded up to get a QB who probably isn’t as good as the guy that would have been sitting there at 3 anyway. The jury is definitely out. I’d passed him for a split second, but he’s firmly back in the chair and spotlight.

        • Jury is def still out on him.

          But I’ve said all along that we can’t judge him until

          1. Gets his scouts (rooting out the Angelo/Emery weeds)
          2. Gets his QB (check)
          3. Gets his HC (TBD)

          He’s also gotta stop being cheap in FA.

          He doesn’t have to break the bank, but ONE blue chip per FA is feasible.

  • bigrobstunner

    why not just make the change now….. Fill him in with anyone else and let it ride. I don’t see how it could be any worse than the disaster we witnessed yesterday. He should walk into work this morning and promptly be shown the door.

    • BearDown100393

      Because “fans” only really need to be told that George is really really pissed and romping around Halas Hall.

    • If I were the GM, I would have stormed into that locker room right after the game, and fired Fox in front of all his players.

      Then would’ve turned to the players,”If any one else is thinking of quitting on the season, you can follow him out the building”

      then turned to Fangio, “You’re up”

      And left.

      • bigrobstunner

        That would have been Epic and appropriate.

      • Irish Sweetness

        How Fangio gets promoted … I just can’t see why he would be … nobody has said … why.

  • BearDown100393

    “3 – Give Loggains offensive autonomy & see what he does with it”

    Probably a show tune with a little soft shoe.

  • Cockney Kirk

    Da Biggs


    Biggs holiday stuffing:

    10 loafs of Italian bread, chopped
    8 pounds of celery
    2 dozen eggs
    2 cans, Hershey chocolate syrup
    1 bag of grated cheese
    10 oz. cayenne pepper
    1 2-liter bottle of Pepsi
    one sliced peking duck, extra fatty

    • ButtonShoes


    • BearDown100393

      Hard to blame Biggs purposefully detonating his heart instead of witnessing the remainder of this season.

    • That’s a lot of celery.

  • ButtonShoes

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    The short-term solution is simple.
    1 – Fire Fox.
    2 – Let Fangio be the interim coach, Donatell becomes defensive coordinator
    3 – Give Loggains offensive autonomy & see what he does with it”

    As very short-term solutions go, this wouldn’t be all that bad. It would at least show that the McCaskeys and Ryan Pace have some tiny awareness about accountability and wanting to fix this (even though I know they have no such awareness). Do this while searching for your next head coach and once the offseason hits, let the entire coaching staff go and announce your new HC soon after. You put Pace on the spot and let him know that this is his last chance – if he fucks this up, he’s done in Chicago, and he’ll never get another GM job again. Outside of the McCaskeys selling the team (which is the real solution to all this nonsense), I could get behind this.

    • evantonio

      what if they do this, and the bears run the table? they won’t, but what if they do?

      • BearDown100393

        What if i win the lottery and share the loot With those who did not block me?

        • evantonio

          then i’d be very happy and would consider not blocking you for the rest of eternity.

      • BerwynBomber

        I suppose Pace would then give Fangio a serious look as one of the HC candidates for 2018.

      • ButtonShoes

        Then they can be in consideration for next year. But an amazing second half doesn’t excuse the piss-poor first half.

    • leftcoastdave

      “The short term solution. . . ”

      What exactly is the “problem” you suggest will be solved by your short term solution?

      I would posit that the discontinuity it would create is outweighed by any “problem” being fixed.

      • ButtonShoes

        Well it’s not my short term solution. It’s Jeff’s. But I agree with it. And the problem it would solve? How about the problem of John Fox, whose continued presence on this team constantly screwing things up is a fucking problem? Getting rid of him would solve that. As for discontinuity, that’s a given. Fox and all these coaches won’t be here next year (unless Pace and the McCaskeys are truly stupid, which you can never rule out), so there will be a discontinuity regardless. Might as well take advantage and see if Loggains can do something without Fox looking over his shoulder. I don’t think so myself, but it wouldn’t hurt to find out.

    • I suggested this last Nov, so I’m not holding my breath.

      The Bears are like an old. clueless and useless aristocracy. They’re complacent, calcified and obsolete – an embarrassment to Papa Bear who had drive, passion, intelligence and accountability.

      Papa Bear probably looked into the eyes of his progeny and became heartbroken knowing what was in store for his beloved Bears.

      As such, I agree with many – off with their heads!

      But, won’t happen. We’ll get a few more generations McCaskeys and Ted Philips, and they’ll be content at galas clutching on to the last remnants of a once glorious dream.

      “Let them eat cakes”

  • BerwynBomber

    Right on, Jeff.

    I thought last week that yesterday’s game could be our most important since the ’13 finale. Not that it was comparable to that game in terms of potential positive stakes — a division title and hosting a WC game were on the line in ’13 — but that win or loss against a reeling, Rodgers-less Packers team could make or break the Fox regime.

    To me yesterday’s result was as embarrassing as the 55-14 shellacking the Cheese imposed on us in ’14 at Lambeau.

    As someone posted yesterday, “If John Fox can’t beat the Aaron Rodgers-less Packers at home in Year 3, what exactly is the point of his continued employment?”

    Let the new HC for ’18 scouting officially begin today.

    • Bear Instincts

      Let the new HC for ’18 scouting officially begin today.

  • Cockney Kirk

    In the Roger Dodger’s new deal, he gets use of his own private jet – for LIFE.


    • BearDown100393

      Meanwhile Jerry Jones invests heavily into military drone technology.

      • ButtonShoes

        The one thing I would for Jerry Jones to do.

  • Bear Instincts

    Fox says hes never worried about job security. WTF man…act like you care

    • BearDown100393

      Hobos and unemployment go hand in hand.

    • ButtonShoes

      He hasn’t cared since the Bears hired him.

  • Tortured Bear fan

    it seems team is paid to lost against Pack.

    • Malice Halice

      I swear to god it seems like that. Our team is nothing but a scrimmage game when it comes to da NFCN.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears don’t care about losing to Green Bay anymore. And neither do a lot of Bears fans.

  • Cockney Kirk
  • willbest

    We learned nothing new about Fox yesterday. The only change has been people’s outrage owing to their emotional attachment to the Bears-Packers rivalry. I get Hundley, but quite frankly if this loss were to the Ravens, people wouldn’t be calling for Fox’s head.

    Self evaluation? Scheme? Including season openers Fox is now 1-8 as a Bears HC in games where he has 10 or more days to prepare. And just to follow up on that with half time adjustments. Fox doesn’t do that either. Its pretty clear that he coaches his plan and what the other people do aren’t really of a concern to him.

    Bears don’t know what to do with their talent? Yes Cohen needs a bit more work than he is getting, as somebody pointed out, you can’t fake the end around if you don’t actually do the end around a every now and then. But I think at some point you have to believe Trubisky isn’t always reading the defense correctly. I am not blaming him for all of it, but even a handful of plays a game is going to make a difference given the way the offense is playing.

    Penalties? Here is the thing about penalties. If you have NFL offense, this sort of thing isn’t really an issue. The Bears don’t so they can’t afford these. Despite all the moaning about penalties the Bears aren’t all that bad in that department, in fact on the whole they are in the middle of the NFL. And in game consequences over the season its pretty much a wash (they are -2 net penalties, and -21 net yards).


    Game time Coaching – I don’t know what about the last 3 years had you convinced that challenging that wasn’t something Fox was capable. He challenges when he shouldn’t and doesn’t when he should. There was a non-catch earlier in the season ruled as a catch and he didn’t throw the flag then. I will say he isn’t awful at managing the clock, but then Fox ball sort of precludes that problem.

    So back to the point I was making yesterday. If you think this game gets Fox shit canned then you are of the opinion that Pace makes decisions based on emotion which is unlikely. Or that Ginny is so outraged that she ties Pace’s hands on this matter.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Cheese games have ALWAYS been circled as the most important dates on the regular season calendar. You can try to intellectually rationalize otherwise, but I doubt you will change the opinions of the majority of fans or even ownership.

      • willbest

        Which is just a function of Farve/Rodgers the last 20 years. Packers fans at this point don’t even give a shit about the Bears, they are more concerned with the Vikings. We are basically the Lions to them.

        • Bear Instincts

          if we are the lion to them then who are the lions to them

          • Malice Halice

            The Vikings pre 4 years ago. List as follows:
            Packers to lose division(every year like the Patriots) if not, da Vikings will clinch but had a knack for giving it back to da cheese (not anymore da queens r good)
            Lions…. cock tease of a team
            Bears r just garbage with 2 raccoons making babies

          • BearDown100393

            Even horny raccoons have standards over garbage.

        • BerwynBomber

          Hmmmm … I don’t know. I think the rivalry pre-dates Favre. And even during the first half of Rodgers’ career we had a good one with Lach-led teams, despite most of the results.

          • willbest

            Oh it goes all the way back, but if your team spends 20 years dominating or being dominated it falls to the wayside for a generation or two of fans. This significantly weakens the rivalry.

          • Malice Halice

            Yea, so maybe da McCaskets should ask the nfl to stop proposing this being da oldest rivalry in da NFL.

          • BearDown100393

            What rivalry?

          • Malice Halice

            Damn near went over my head like a carry-on bag. Good one

          • BearDown100393

            I take no joy. These are sad days.

      • Malice Halice

        Period. This is a game about PRIDE N REVENUE. Oldest Rivallry in da NFL n da Bottom Feedin Bears been gettin slaughtered on PRIMETIME TV by their biggest rival. Yes, the pack could care less about us. It’s been apparent the past 5yrs. Especially this year! Those was da biggest 2 games of the season ain’t NO disputing that.

  • CanadaBear

    One indisputable fact from yesterday’s game, Grasu is horrible. No reason to be on the roster. He’s never had even a mediocre game.

    Butch and I have been bitching about Foxy for a long time. Yesterday was his Waterloo. He’s done. Pace’s seat has to be warming up a little too.

    Time to turn the O loose and see what MT has. The is no chance in hell the Beloved get to the playoffs so the record really doesn’t matter. Most fans will realize the rest of the season is about developing MT.

    • willbest

      We know what Mitch does when you turn him loose. Holds the ball too long and gets sacked. People hate the offense, but its pretty clear its designed to prevent Trubisky from getting killed.

      • CanadaBear

        MT does a few things well. Concentrate on that, give him a run and pass play to call at the line. At some point that will get 9 out of the box. I see very little in the way of development so far. Just ultra conservative John Fox hooey.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I didn’t think that he looked as good yesterday as others thought. To me a lot of his #s seemed to be of the empty calorie variety.

        Though in fairness, it’s not his fault that Cunningham is dropping the ball at the goal line.

    • This coaching staff has had 2 chances now to use the end of a lost season intelligently, building for the future. They’re 0/2.

      That’s not going to change now that they’re coaching for their jobs.

      • The nice thing is that they are running short on journeymen vets to play above the youngsters. Unrein over Bullard/RRH and Cunningham over Cohen as 3rd down back are pretty much the only ones I can think of at this point. Oh wait, Bellamy over McBride too.

        But they’re going to run the offense in a way that they (mistakenly) think will give them the best chance to win, which means trying to avoid turnovers and hoping your defense can win the game.

        • CanadaBear

          I’d like to think Nathan Lane would call a much better game without the Foxy influence. I agree Foxy will only get more conservative until Jordan Howard finally goes down from running into brick walls.

          • BearDown100393

            It is indeed a nice thought.

      • CanadaBear

        I still think it all comes from Foxy. No way Nathan Lane calls runs into 9 in the box consistently.

        • I’m talking more personnel-wise. In past years they’ve played a hobbled Tracy Porter and a crappy Mitch Unrein over younger players with higher upside while playing out the string late in the season. Connor Barth is somehow STILL a Bear, a solid 1.5 years after he should have been cut. They’ve valued his reliable veteran mediocrity over trying out younger kickers with more talent and upside for far too long. Shit like that.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t disagree. Ugh.

          • BearDown100393

            Pace has not brought in anyone better than Barth.

          • Yeah, that one has to be on him.

          • Isn’t that on Pace though?

            I know it’s usually not good business for a GM to force a reluctant HC to play certain ppl, but that’s what NEEDS to happen.

            That’s what happened last yr when Fisher didn’t want to play Goff.

            Ownership/GM had to step in and pimp slap Fisher to play Goff.

            Pace has to assert his control over this team IMMEDIATELY, because it is HIS team, not Fox’s who’s on a fishing boat with Fisher this time next yr.

            But, Pace won’t.

            Fox will be playing Hicks, Howard and Floyd to the very last minute in WK 16 while Pace has thumb up ass.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I can imagine Nathan Lane calling 9 men to run into his box all right …..

      • BearDown100393

        Auditioning for jobs.

      • Tortured Bear fan

        exactly, they blew all their chances up to maybe consider that they can take team to next level. they should cut Trubisky’s leash and allow the kid to play, at the end of the day season wet to the drain yesterday.

  • Bear Instincts

    Here’s what George McCaskey said about evaluating John Fox before the start of this season (via @patrickfinley):

    “It’s the same every year,” he said. “It’s typically an end-of-season evaluation for everybody.”

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, it’s unlikely he would be fired mid-season. Not usually the way in the NFL — though last year there were a bunch of firings that occurred before season’s end.

    • ButtonShoes

      Sigh. Fuck you, George. And your whole inept, incompetent, cheapskate family.

      • Malice Halice

        I guarantee u we watch all da good coaches n coordinators get picked up b4 we make a move. We finna hire some fuckwad wit lil to no bragging rights. Let alone if we even get rid of Fox

        • CanadaBear

          Best reason to fire Foxy before the end of the season. Get first crack at the HC you want.

          • Malice Halice

            EXACTLY! This season is already done. We lost da overall record to da Packers. Nothing else matters ESPECIALLY since we know we ain’t playing in Jan. Our draft position is ok. We for sure need to get a head start cuz Pace need all da time he can get to evaluate some shit

          • CanadaBear

            Did you ever get to the Blues clubs?

          • Malice Halice

            Yep! Only da BLUES bar tho. Great experience, never expected a blues bar to have so much life! The music and atmosphere was enveloping I didn’t expect that kinda crowd or aura at all. I thought it was gonna be laid-back to da point of boredom but HELL NAW! Great time. Most I’ve ever tipped b4 n I’ve been to Fogo de Caio

          • CanadaBear

            Blues fans are fun. When we were younger we all drank like longshoremen. Dancing, drinking, drugging with a lot of women chasing going on! Now that were all old we go at it with less intensity. Honestly the Blues crowd was almost always the under achievers that knew how to have fun! Glad you had a great time!

          • Malice Halice

            That’s what my lady was saying! The patrons there was ABOUT THAT LIFE! We underestimated the shit out of that lifestyle. I never respected a cover charge until I went to da blues bar. Wish there was one in da Twin Cities

          • Bear Instincts

            Who said Pace has not already been evaluating potential coaches?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He needs to fucking evaluate himself.

          • willbest

            We aren’t going to the playoffs so that shouldn’t be an issue. Although if you think that HC is Vic of Birdcage, you fire Fox just to see what they can do.

          • Malice Halice

            Can’t go wrong there. I mean atleast we giving them 7 games to blame fox for the woes. If they fail, well we know our next HC will need some coordinators as well that the HC will have say in bringing on.

          • U fire Fox no matter what NOW.
            Even if Fangio isn’t on Pace’s HC radar next season.
            That locker room needs a quick boost and dumping Albino Lovie is step 1.
            Give Fangio a 6 wk try out.
            If he flops, who cares? Higher draft pick.
            If he wins throw his hat into the ring next off-season

          • Malice Halice

            That’s NOT easier said than done yet we gone beat da Eagles n Fox will get a 3yr extension.

          • BearDown100393

            Beat the Eagles? Seriously?

          • Malice Halice

            We beat da panthers Steelers. Y not da eagles?

          • BearDown100393

            Teams change week to week in personnel and momentum. What evidence do you see in this current situation that suggests the Bears after yesterday are going to defeat the Eagles?

          • Malice Halice

            Your first sentence stated. This is a guaranteed loss against da hottest team in da nfl obviously. They know they will win but we still got savages on defense n a faceless offense that requires no gameplan to beat. U see where I’m goin?

          • BearDown100393

            Where were the savages yesterday? Did they already leave the island?

          • Malice Halice

            They played the packers man! Who da hell shows up to play them? We bend over every year twice to get rammed n don’t even bother to lube. Yesterday loss should’ve been expected yet we let hope deter us from reality. You’d thought our guys was on drugs that panthers game (coke) but we play da pack in erbody seem high off edibles

          • BearDown100393

            The defense played with the expectation of losing yesterday.

          • Malice Halice

            Precisely! Did u ever get that impression when we played da ravens steeelers panthers and even the Vikings till da point dat dumbass jones had his back to da ball till they snapped the damn play. We don’t play the packers how we play other teams

          • BearDown100393

            Yesterday was the low point for the Fangio defense. It was supposed to be a statement situation.

            It certainly made a statement.

          • CanadaBear

            Steelers got out coached by Foxy. Let that sink in. Same with Panthers. I seriously doubt Foxy out coaches anyone the rest of the way. At the start of the year I said 5-11 and most on here gave me the gears. Ya gotta factor in Foxy.

          • BearDown100393

            Difficult to promote Fangio after yesterday’s defensive farce.

          • Did he throw that challenge flag?

            Most of the yr, Ds been solid.

            Look at how the Saints totally blew out the Bills yesterday.

            Fangio’s D kept them in check. And the Panthers. And the Falcons (who teabagged Dallas)

            Is he the best DC in the league? No.
            Will he make a good HC? Dunno.

            But it CAN”T be worse than Fox.


            Trestman has a better record, in spite of being old and quitting on him.

          • BearDown100393

            Same was said about Hobo

          • And like I said, if Fangio is worse, who cares?

            He was never thought of as an HC.

            He’s basically like a free spin at the roulette table.

            Chances are, he’s not the next Billichick.

            But it’s a FREE spin, so why not take it?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why is it Fangio’s D?

            Why isn’t it .. .Akiem was great … Leonard was great .. .Fuller’s a baller. Why does he make THEM great? Fuller will likely walk … why? … because of Fangio.
            We make mediocre QBs look great. Why? Because of Fangio. It’s designed that way. Don’t pressure the QB becaue you need those players on the back-end.

            No you don’t Vic, you dumb arrogant fuck, you just feel better that way. Be gone!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yesterday’s defense was no different to any other week’s. Why anyone was under the illusion it was a great defense was down to a few key plays by individuals displaying individual skill. The defensive ‘strategy’ is ill-conceived and does not work to frustrate offenses. The philosophy is that there is no philosophy.
            I’ve been asking for an explanation of the love for Fangio and I’ve had one reasonable answer. We don’t give up a lot of points. Well here’s a doozy …if you give up one more point than you score, you lose. People are judging the defense by how many points you allow the offense to score. Well that depends on what kind of offense you’re playing.

            In my book, a good defense stops the offense from doing what it wants to do.
            Vic Fangio doesn’t see that, and he needs to be away from my defense, and my team.

            But if making him an interim HC so that he can full display how bad he is, then so be it. Higher picks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think the higher draft pick talk is more realistic now.

            Fangio might actually have a use. Sucking as a Head Coach gets us an even higher pick.

          • Gmen who also never fire inseason might do it.
            That’s our first competitor

  • AlbertInTucson

    I was surprised Bellamy’s TD catch wasn’t challenged as “Failure to control going to the ground.”

    • Tortured Bear fan


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  • SO here’s something interesting I picked up from the snap counts yesterday:

    When Bears went nickel, they pulled Kwiatkoski off the field for the extra DB instead of the usual defensive lineman. So their nickel look was a 3-3-5 instead of their more typical 2-4-5.

    That means Christian Jones, who played every snap, was the play caller. Which explains why there were so many times where the defense seemed confused about the play call and missed some assignments. We already saw clearly in the MIN game after Timu went down that Jones can’t handle that.

    • Also, Akiem Hicks and Leonard Floyd both played all 66 defensive snaps, which helps explain why they were both invisible. Have to rest your rushers. Bullard only played 22 snaps yesterday; John Jenkins played 2. You can’t play 3 DL on every play and only get 24 snaps from your backups. That helps explain why they were getting pushed around so badly in the 2nd half.

      As for Floyd, cutting Lamarr Houston has proven to be a big mistake. They’re not playing Irving on D at all, just ST, which means Floyd basically can’t come off the field (limiting his impact) and they need to get a full game’s worth of snaps out of the combo of Pernell McPhee’s shell and Sam Acho.

      • CanadaBear

        Acho made some plays yesterday. McPhee made some plays … bad ones.

        • Acho is solid against the run and ok in coverage, but he offers absolutely nothing in pass rush.

          • CanadaBear

            He was in on a blitz yesterday that was successful but that certainly isn’t his MO. Man do they miss McMannis on ST’s. The Bears gunners were never in the same zip code yesterday when the returner secured the punts.

          • willbest

            I like Acho as a person, I met him once. I don’t know how long he stays around though.

          • He’s a great 4th OLB. Assuming they’re adding 1-2 in the draft next year, I would like having him as a cheap mentor vet and ST contributor.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He sacked the QB yesterday – it might have looked like Floyd, but it was Acho. I think he’s a pretty good pass-rusher as it happens.

      • BearDown100393

        Times are truly desperate if a JAG like Lamarr Houston cannot be replaced and is actually missed.

        • He’s a solid 3rd OLB, which the Bears desperately need right now after Young went down. McPhee can’t play many snaps and Acho is playing too many as a result (plus Floyd not getting the rest he needs).

          • BearDown100393

            Not solid enough to survive a sack dance without going on IR. In garbage time no less. He is not terrible. But definitely no better than mediocre at this stage of his career.

      • Like I said from the PS.

        This team lacks depth to withstand INJs or attrition, but yr in yr out, Pace does little to address it in the offseason (unless you count Dlinemen like Jaye Howard).

        plenty of Dlinemen were available (my fav was Baker) to bolster depth, but Pace is obsessed with finding bargain bin specials, and now we’re reaping his fruit.

        Often, you get what you pay for in life and in football.

        Of course, Fangio and Fox could’ve rotated more to keep them fresh, but maybe they simply don’t like how much of a drop off there is after Floyd, Goldman or Hicks…

        Then it just becomes a risk management question.

        Starts from the top.

        • I think they’re depth is actually fairly adequate in most positions.

          WR it was not, and we’re seeing that play out after they lost what was supposed to be their top 3 WRs.

          OT is absolutely not.

          Interior OL is pretty good depth considering their main backup has been out for season, and they were out 2 other guys yesterday too.

          RB has good depth. TE too, they were adequate there yesterday despite missing their top 2 TEs.

          The DL actually has pretty solid depth, IMO. Bullard has looked competent to me this year, RRH too. LeBlanc has looked fine as CB depth, and Cooper is a fine backup too. At S, Amos was the depth after Demps got hurt.

          OLB they cut Houston and Young got hurt out for the year, they had good depth there. ILB has seen 5 guys play with mostly good results.

          No NFL team ever has truly great depth, but the Bears’ has actually proven mostly pretty solid this year, IMO.

          • I would debate “mostly”

            But even if true, that’s ONLY because key players haven’t gone.

            If godforbid, Hicks, Goldamn, Floyd, Howard, Fuller, Inman go down…

    • So basically what I’m saying is Chicago’s defensive struggles yesterday largely boil down to incompetent personnel usage. It seems they learned a few things from the offense during the bye.

      • willbest

        Maybe they are more injured than the report suggests.

        • Who? Bullard and Jenkins are both healthy. So is Kwiatkoski (or Timu). Unless they’re healthy enough to practice in full all week and not be on the injury report, but not healthy enough to play.

    • Jones mght be athletic but he seems kinda like an idiot ( see Hester)

      Timu is much smarter

      • Bear Instincts

        can we fuse them into one player

      • BearDown100393

        If he’s an idiot what does that make Fangio?

        • Bear Instincts

          the idiot who plays the idiot

          • BearDown100393

            So the rally cry here to make Fangio the interim HC is even more idiotic.

          • yes, but it’s all relative because Fox may be the biggest idiot, and an old apathetic uninspiring idiot at that.

          • BearDown100393

            The Apollo 13 mission had less problems than the current state of affairs here.

  • + 85 Jeff.
    Glad ur not too stubborn, proud or obstinate to finally realize what Fox really is

    A below-avg coach (at best)


    Welcome aboard the wagon. Me , Canada, GP, (and if MB were around) ….will make room for u.

    The next step will be finding the new McVay, but as they say in Conan …that saga is for another time

    • Bear Instincts

      got room for 1 more on that wagon?

      • Tortured Bear fan

        can I get in?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      you do realize that Jeff wanted Fox fired last year.

      • Yeah, but he waffled a bit (see Jeff tweet from last yr I posted) kinda like with Jay.

        Though this was Fox’s Buc game, so I expect Jeff to be fully in the Fire Fox Now camp going forward.

  • BearDown100393

    “The upside to yesterday is I’m sensing it was a breaking point inside Halas Hall.”

    They only have themselves to blame. They were too incompetent to hire a GM that could hire a HC who in return could select the coordinators. Instead they turn to Ernie Accorsi. Hire a HC first. And then hire a GM under orders to work with Hobo. That is not how a successful hierarchy is established. it was doomed to fail from day one. And it did.

    The McCaskeys are the most serious problem regarding the current state of the football franchise.

    And it is high time to acknowledge it.

  • Malice Halice

    I TRULY believe what we’re lacking is Bears alumni to play some sort of coaching for us. Bring peanut to help our bipolar corners n secondary. Bring Biggs or Lach to help our inept LB corps. Fuck, bring in Steve Smith Sr to coach our lifeless receivers! We need pationate prior players on our franchise to breathe life into our roster. Until then, picking up coaches n coordinators that’s been pitchforked outta their jobs is NOT gonna help.

    • BearDown100393

      Peanut is at the FBI Academy.

      • Malice Halice

        Tryin to build a case on da McCaskets I hope! Tax invasion , playoff invasion etc…

        • BearDown100393

          He apparently has moved on from football and is quite happy about it.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Great Player” does not always, or even OFTEN, translate to “Great Coach.”

      • BearDown100393

        None of the above would fare worse than the incumbents present now.

  • bigrobstunner

    It’s just frustrating, when as a fan, you see the potential in this team and believe they can turn their season around beating a banged up Pack. Not only do they come out and lose, the look like shit in the process. This game went from the potential to go 10-6 / 9-7 to who the hell knows because they’re terrible. Sad day all the way around……

    • I think I would’ve been much more devastated if I already didn’t resign myself to the fact a yr ago that Fox sucks.

      So, I wasn’t as surprised at the Bears losing this game as some others who perhaps thought more of Fox.

      That being said, I was still a lil surprised and disappointed at how badly he blew it, almost LITERALLY singlehighhandedly losing the game with that tarded challenge, amongst other well documented fuck ups.

      This is like medicine, IMO.

      Now we no longer have to worry about Fox sticking around like that hippy couch surfing for another yr in the living room. Throw that bum out.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears were exposed yesterday by a depleted 3rd rate arch rival. At home. After the bye.

      No excuses.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, I was looking forward to seeing MT shine. He’ll get there, but there’s stuff to work out.

  • Trubisky——21 comp; 30 att; 297 yds; 60%; 1TD; 97% (sacked 5 times)
    ???????——20 comp; 30 att; 176 yds; 66%; 0TDs; 82QBR (sacked 8 times. Lost two fumbles)

    Take a guess at which awesome QB the latter is?

    If you guessed Dak, you would be correct.

    Dak supposedly with a better Oline, superior weapons (like Bryant) and coaching, and 1 extra yr of continuity…

    What happened?

    Well, the coaching FAILED in that game.

    Tyrone Smith was out, and Garrett devised a gameplan as if he wasn’t often leaving his backup LT alone.

    Well, Clayborn went berserk with 6 sacks.

    Clayborn postgame said they made no adjustments to slow him down.

    Is Dak a good QB?


    Can dumbass coaching negate that.



    • Bear Instincts

      thank you

    • BerwynBomber

      Dak was on road against a better D.
      But I will say this, it will be interesting to watch how that O performs with ‘Zeke. They’ve been a run first team. Could be a rocky transition.

      • It was funny seeing Dungy and Harrison debate postgame.

        Dungy (former HC) was calling out the coach
        Harrison (former player) was calling out Dak

        But Harrison relented…yah, you guys are right. The coaches screwed up.

        I don’t know it their game plan will change much.

        Alfred Morris is a lot like Howard. A 2 down back who needs positive game script to keep rolling.

        What is more concerning is the Dallas D.

        Once Sean Lee went down (again), they were getting ripped to shreds, which put the Boys in passing mode on O.

        A lot like with us.

        IF we fall behind, Howard comes out, Benny/Cohen go in, and it’s predictably pass.

    • BearDown100393

      Oh wow.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      something does not add up. How can Trub have the same number of attempts and 1 more completion and still have a lower completion % than Dak? I am guessing you got a typo somewhere.

      • I copied those from the ESPN site.

        I’ll double check.

        Maybe Dak’s fumbles?

        Edit, you are correct.

        35 attempts for Trub, not 30

        Still in the same range.

  • CanadaBear

    I told my brother-in-law they would either smoke the Fudgies or get beat. No in between. I was not even remotely surprised they got spanked.

  • Viva

    Dear Ryan,

    Don’t put your head in the sand and think that doing nothing will put asses back in those empty seats. Either you own it, or it will own you. FireFox. HireToub.


    • Cockney Kirk


    • Oh, and a belated thanks for ur service (and I tip my tinfoil hat to you too, Trac).

      And while I’m at it, thxs to my best buds who served in Afghan, my uncles who served in Nam and Korea, cousin in Iraq…and about 20 other fam and ppl I know who served or are serving (including the youngest recruit my nephew who made the Rangers this yr)

      Thanks y’all.

      Now, if any of you were snipers and are withiin range of Halas Hall…

      I keed I keed.

      • Viva


    • BearDown100393

      Pace did nothing.

      Mark the date: 11/13/17

      A day that will live in infamy.

  • Cockney Kirk

    Good news:

    Bud is upping it’s alcohol content from 3% to 11% by volume for the holidays. So you can lie face down in a pool of your own vomit for the remainder of the season.


    • I actually think the “repeal prohibition” edition is genius.

      They’re trying to cash in on the hipster stachoed urban folk Tom Hardy trend, and that slips right into that niche.

      Beer, like anything else, is all about marketing.

      I remember when I used to drink Pabsts in the 90s, and my friends would make fun of me while chugging their Buds.

      But I was a po boy, and I preferred its taste over those other piss beers.

      fast forward about 15 yrs, and naturally, it’s the hipster beer (and no longer as cheap, though still reasonable)

      I think some of it is geographical though.

      Anyone who travels to Mexico knows they don’t drink Coronas over there. They consider that their budlight.

      I met an Irish guy whose town produced Guinness, and he considered it shit beer.

      Guess it just depends.

      11% it is ! Just in time for the Bears December “team not quitting/quitting” ritual.


      • Irish Sweetness

        I remember that fad in Ireland. Ordering Coronas with a wedge of lemon in the neck. I don’t know if the ‘men’ that ordered them knew how they looked or were regarded by those that didn’t … but to tart up a bottle of piss like that ….. SMH.

    • BearDown100393

      Basically drinking vomit so the outcome really does not matter.

  • willbest


    “A less innocuous explanation for the high use of testing is that there are economic incentives to do more procedures, Toy said. If you buy an expensive MRI machine and you’re in a small community, that means
    you have to send almost everyone through if you want to recoup the cost. Whether this is what’s happening, though, remains unclear without more granular data.

    It’s also possible that residents in mountain towns are using more care not because they’re sicker but because they’re richer and more demanding, Toy said. It’s just a hypothesis, but it could explain some of the disparity.”

    I know a bunch of doctors that went to work for hospitals rather than private practice ostensibly because they don’t want the headache of doing the billing, managing, guaranteed wage, and the hours can be better. Their bonuses are basically tied to how many diagnostic procedures they pimp out. And a couple have confided administrators have been known to get on the doctor’s case about requesting more services be performed.

    • BearDown100393

      Stop suing doctors for not ordering every test known.

  • WP4Life

    Fire fox today. Make a statement to the entire team (and fan base). Put in DC in HC.

    See what we have to salvage the rest of the season.

    So at the end of the year, those itching to get a HC know Chicago means business.

    I believe we need fresh ideas (young) – Similar to eagles with Peterson, LA rams with Mcvay , Pats – is Josh ready for another (more mature) shot a HC?

    What’s the point in keeping fox – because its old school traditional to play the year out, enough of that. Catch up with the top teams and keep up.

    Times are changing, why not change them now.

    • Cockney Kirk

      If Trestman made it to the end of a season – so will Fox.

      • BearDown100393

        Repeating bad history

      • Sadly, this is true.

      • Viva

        That’s exactly why you’d think George would do it now, so as to not make the same mistake twice…

        • BearDown100393

          George is an idiot

          • Viva

            Hopefully the empty seats will get his attention.

          • evantonio

            Empty seats for Packers week, no less.

  • Cockney Kirk

    False face gets the body slam reversed, WWF Style:

    When it comes to the lingering dispute regarding the Roger Goodell contract extension, much has been written and said about the potential nuclear option possessed by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. But the rest of the owners (or, more accurately, those who oppose Jones) have a nuclear option of their own.

    They could, in theory, attempt to trigger forfeiture of the Dallas franchise.

    A inside league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility in committee, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team immediately. Refusal to comply could trigger a court order and all remaining games of that franchise would be forfeit until the matter was resolved.

    It’s obviously an extreme outcome, and it surely would trigger years of litigation. But the possibility has emerged primarily because Jones has opted to take family business outside the family. As the source explained it, the primary affront comes from the belief among owners that Jones instigated Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter to disparage the NFL, blaming league leadership for ratings declines and, in turn, a reduction in Papa John’s revenues. The chilling effect this had on the remaining owners was so profound they called an emergency meeting and opened the discussion with Section 8.13 and how soon they could enact it.

    It’s unknown whether the NFL or any of its owners has openly warned Jones of a potential attack on his ownership of the Cowboys, and at this point it’s unlikely that any such effort will be made. However, the topic has emerged among owners, due directly to Jones’ recent threats of litigation and related efforts to disrupt the business of the league. There is now a widely held belief that for the good of the league, Jerry Jones must be extricated from it.

    So, basically, if Jones’ ultimately doesn’t oust Goodell, Jones may need to worry about Goodell ousting Jones. -PFT

    • BearDown100393

      Get rid of both

      • Hope Jone’s succeeds in de-throning Goodell.
        Then Jerrah can be ousted.

        • BearDown100393

          A flashback from the Dark Knight. A broken cue stick thrown between 2 thugs.

    • I also read that if Jone’s sues, and loses, that he would be on the hook for ALL the legal fees, including the NFL’s, which is estimated to $10M.

      Now, maybe that’s chump change for Jones, but having to pay for losing would be like paying someone to pimp slap you.

      This is all posturing anyhow.

      It’s more likely Jone’s is aiming for the suspension to be reduced to 4 games instead of 6.

      • BearDown100393

        If Jones really wants to break down Goodell, just hire and send over Louis CK to the NFL front office.

        He’ll resign in less than an hour.

      • Cockney Kirk

        He’s made enemies and now Elliot is going to sit all the way out

        • Jones is stupid.

          If they had just taken the suspension, this would’ve been done 3 weeks ago, and the Cowboys would have had Zeke for the Falcons, and two more game against the Eagles.

          But nope.

          Not to mention, if this had dragged on, and they made the playoffs, he would’ve been suspended for the playoffs.

          Ego trip.

          • BearDown100393


      • willbest

        Yes fee shifts are routine in contracts. But 10 million is a small bet when you realizes Jones 10 year revenue stream from the NFL is over 1.5 billion, and if he thinks Goodell is going to reduce it even 5% its a no brainer

  • AlbertInTucson

    “FireFox” USED to mean “A Clint Eastwood movie”.

    • BearDown100393

      Now its a browser

  • All this Fire Fox talk seems vaguely familiar…hmmmm

    Wayne’s world flashback to a yr ago…


    “Bears can’t fire John Fox, despite my previous belief. These guys are
    playing hard. They just don’t have the heathy horses on offense. – Jeff”

    Ugh, what use is playing “hard” if they’re ill-coached?

    That’s like a guy with a fast 40 time who doesn’t know his assignment – all he’ll do is get to the wrong spot faster.

    In-game many of us remarked how we expected the Halftime Zombies to come out, and they DID.


    The Bears either come out like Zombies or make ZERO adjustments at half time and become zombies.

    That’s on the coaches.

    (Although, I must add that under Hoyer, this was less of a problem as the team was more consistent and in games from start to finish).

    I just don’t trust that Fox can out coach ANYONE at this point.


    Or to paraphrase MB

    “Fuck Fox. In the face”

    • BearDown100393

      Hobo is the Head Coaching equivalent to Adderall

    • “That’s like a guy with a fast 40 time who doesn’t know his assignment – all he’ll do is get to the wrong spot faster.”

      Why do you have to go bringing up Jon Bostic again?

      • haha. Didn’t the Pats pick up Bostic after we let him go?

        Another Emery special.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He didn’t last long in NE.

          He’s starts for the Colts now.

          • Pats seem to have some strange fascination with our former players.

            Shea, Bostic, Bennett…it’s almost like they say, “This guy has talent. Maybe he just needs good coaching and structure”

        • He’s starting in IND now last I heard

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Best preseason hit ever. Too bad that was the best it ever got with him.

  • BearDown100393

    After one of the most damning losses in recent memory, the Bears did nothing.

    That is even worse than yesterday’s game.

    Gentleman, the situation is even more dire than originally diagnosed.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Yesterday changed the entire mood at Halas Hall. There was optimism going into Sunday. Folks thought things were moving in right direction. Now, there’s a rage fest”

    Departing from the norm, I intend to listen to a few of the Score podcasts late night.

    A few of their guys — Hub, Mulligan, Bernstein, Zaidman — have reliable sources in Halas.

    • All sound and fury. Signifying nothing – Will Halas

    • BearDown100393


      • BerwynBomber

        Confirm what Jeff’s hearing, possibly. Or maybe pick up a few extra details.

        I believe it was Hub (or maybe it was Moon Mullin) who reported the emergency owners/management meeting after the 55-14 shellacking by the Cheese in ’14. I wouldn’t have been shocked if Fox had been let go today.

        • BearDown100393

          But alas, Hobo remains. And nothing has changed.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And it was Hub who reported Bill Cowher as the next Bears’ HC, so there’s that …

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky


    Inman looks like a nice addition.

    • I think that’s the first time all yr I saw a WR get open twice in one game.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        And he catches the ball like a professional wide receiver. (Other than the bad drop i guess)

        It just looks different/better.

      • willbest

        Bellamy gets open all the time, he just has a Clifford Jones problem

    • FresnoBear88

      Looks like another Aromishudo or however the fuck you spell his name

  • Cockney Kirk


    So investigators have cracked a Twatter account that Donny Jr. and Assange were using to directly communicate with each other.


    And it was Julian’s idea that Donny pass him a tax return that had nothing bad in it, and he would leak it, to set the tone that he was impartial. because they were going to slow drop the Podesta emails and he wanted to inoculate himself against charges he was a Russian stooge.

    It’s clear this was a conspiracy and moreover, I think it’s pretty clear now that Assange is a straight up FSB agent and that were the British to get ahold of him on the bullshit rape charge, what they would do is squeeze him and find evidence of him being an agent.

    As for Trump? He’s a Putin crony. And a nutter. But we knew that.

    All this really tells us is that the tax return that Rachel Maddow made a fool of herself over was a plant by Wikileaks to seem impartial when it was nothing but a vaccine.

    • Viva

      Bobby Mueller is a great Marine on the verge of many great deeds…

    • Viva

      bin Talal is dirty, GP. lots of influence in the swamp.

  • Gruden “Everybody running shovel passes”

    Except us, of course.

    Even though when I saw Trub’s college tape he was an excellent shoveler.

    Yikes. Mia worst O in NFL. Didn’t know that.

    Last in points
    Last in total yds
    29th in passing
    0 running TDs (first since the great depression through 8 games)

    • More MIA factoids

      Trailed in 7/8 games by halftime. Cameback to win 2.

      How the heck did they manage 4 wins?

      That D must’ve played balls out.

  • Sheesh.

    So instead of ESPN covering the ACTUAL football at half-time, they’re too busy pitching their college crap.

    Fuck them.

    Then the NFL wonders why ratings are down.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I can’t believe that TE ran the wrong route. Jay would never throw such a bad INT.

    • 10-3 with 40 secs and 3 TOs deep in their own territory.

      INT. 17-3.

      Cutler gonna Cutler.

      Then Gruden wonders why Gase doesn’t “unleash” him.

  • from 10-3 with 40s secs left to halftime to 23-7 top of the 3rd qtr.

    That’s all she wrote, folks.

    Junk yd stat time.

    Maybe Drake gets some cheap passing yds for Willie!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      how can it go from 10-3 to 23-7??? did the dolphins have a couple safeties?

      • SC Dave

        Typo. It was 10-7

  • Man, Panthers have great LBs.

    Keuchly was fixing his facemask and began running down the screen before Cutler even threw it.


  • madscout12

    Dolphins still have Suh? Sorry, I thought I just saw Stewart take it right up the gut for 10 yds and a TD.

  • Viva

    How many EMPTY SEATS will get their attention?

    How turned off could Bears fans be to pass up seeing the highest drafted QB ever taken by their team playing his first game against the fucking Packers (thanks for the reminder below, Evan)?

    Seriously…it’s fucking demoralizing. Firefox. Play to win. Always.

  • BerwynBomber

    Time for Jay to pad his stats.

    That INT right before the half was a killer.

    He had a couple of nice passes, but man, some of his slings have been ten yards off target. And he’s had a time. At least thus far.

    MIA could be in trouble the last half of their season.

    • Same ole Cutler.

      That COMPLETELY demoralized that team.

      Came out of the half and just rolled over on D.


  • BerwynBomber

    On the other side Cam has looked super solid tonight. CAR had some bad drops too.

    The only bad move by him was that across the body pass he had that was nearly picked.

    • SC Dave

      69 yard run looks okay too

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, gotta love Cam when he is running. That is where he is very special.

        Looks like they brought back a lot of the RPO stuff, which is smart as that is his bread and butter.

        • The Panthers wanted to save his body for the long term.

          But once they figured out that Cam is rather horrible without the running, they switched back.

          Cam told them he wanted to run it more too.

          So, they’re all in.

          Cam may not last long, but if as long as he runs, they’ll be potent on O.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. But two things that might hold them back are their receivers and their secondary. Both look pretty bad.
            McCaffery’s speed didn’t quite translate to the NFL but he seems like a solid, versatile enough guy that he’ll be productive.

  • madscout12

    Kickass…that TD just knocked my opponent down 3 points…75.4 to 67.44 and he has the Panthers D and Jarvis Landry. Looking good so far.

    • It’s junk yd stats time, so MIA should get a lot of garbage yds like that TD.

      Then again, that also means Cutler will be passing, so Panther’s D might get a few more INTs.

      • madscout12

        Panthers just need to keep running the ball and milking the clock. Miami will keep running the ball.

        • madscout12

          Several missed opportunities this week…but I can live with myself.

          Played J Jones and M Jones at WR. Had Hopkins and Diggs. Diggs was injured all week and Hopkins was playing a good D.

          Also played Goff over Newton, but I win either way there.

          • How many teams in your league?

            I probably could’ve won if I actually started the guys I had on my bench (which I was) but I made a trade for Julio Jones thinking playoffs.

            Calculated I can lose this week for more long term.

            Hope it doesn’t back fire lol

          • madscout12

            6 teams…small league. Loser buys Breakfast Tacos.

          • That’s even smaller than SC’s league.


            You should join our league next yr.

            It’s all regs.

            10-12 teams, depending.

            It’s fun.

            Only league on the planet where Cutler goes for $20!

          • madscout12

            Lulz. Fantasy football may not be in the cards next year. I’m getting out of the military around then and will need a job. My wife does not want to stay in the local area, where I’d most easily get a job, so we’ll see how that goes. Terminal would start around then, and these are software developer jobs I’m looking for. So lot of prep.

          • Ah, well, next August I’ll make the annual recruitment speech if you change your mind.

  • Looks like Cam will be leading rusher 6? games in a row

  • Peppers cracked Cutler.

    • BerwynBomber

      Could have been worse. Pep didn’t lower his head. That was a blindside concussion otherwise.

  • Ouch. Cam’s head snapped back and he was holding his helmet.

    Maybe should check him for a concussion

  • Irish Sweetness

    Rodman stories from a Pumpkin. That’s all I got.

  • madscout12

    Alright, Carolina, run the freakin ball. They don’t get the ball back, Cargo can’t throw another pick, and Jarvis Landry can’t gain another 20 yards.

  • Always said stopping the run is a matter of will.

    Fins allowing 300 yds rushing = quit

  • madscout12

    FF Post
    Hell yeah! I hang on for a 75.30 to 73.84 victory. One more Cargo pick, and I was a goner.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      congrats. I just looked at my league. we have 8 teams that are 5-5, 1 team at 6-4 and 1 at 4-6.
      First time in 15 years of playing that I have been in a league this balanced.

      • It’s pretty balanced in Da League too

        Moi: 8-2
        Artoo: 8-2
        Bears505: 7-3
        Sac: 6-4
        Shady: 5-5
        Willie: 4-6
        Ender: 4-6
        Waffle: 3-7
        NBIT: 2-8

        And those sub 4 win teams have been scoring, just not enough obviously.

        • EnderWiggin

          Thumbs-down button doesn’t work…

  • Irish Sweetness


    Fact that Bears defense was incredible against this Panthers offense makes Sunday even more inexcusable.

    How is allowing 400 yards of offense ‘incredible’? I am not seeing what other people are seeing, clearly.

    We have some good players, but the defense is far from great (aside from having their balls cut off by their DC).

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