Audibles From the Long Snapper: Lots of Trubisky, Little Bit of Toub

| June 26th, 2017

This is truly the NFL’s off-season and I’m digging it. As you’ve seen, I’m not forcing any content on you. Whatever I find interesting, I’ll share. Once camp starts, the grind starts.

Breer on Trubisky

Albert Breer, writing for The MMQB, breaks down the progress of young quarterbacks across the league in his recent column. Here’s the piece on Trubisky:

The Bears rookie’s strides through May and June came in learning a lot of the basics. Through no fault of his own, Trubisky arrived with relatively little knowledge of defense in general or coverage in particular, and so he’s gotten a crash course in those areas and has made strides there. The other area of improvement came in the basics. At North Carolina, Trubisky got play calls from the sideline, didn’t take a single snap from center and never huddled. Early in OTAs, that was apparent. By the end, he was getting the hang of calling plays in the huddle and taking snaps. And he’s impressed with his accuracy and his movement skills—he doesn’t just run 4.6, he plays at 4.6, which should ease his growth once he gets on the field.

I’m still not convinced Trubisky won’t be the starting quarterback in September.

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Quick Hits

  • Kevin Fishbain with a piece gaining a lot of traction around the league, profiling Bears Director of Pro Scouting Champ Kelly.
  • Trib’s Dan Wiederer has absolutely killed the Trubisky subject since the draft and his work on Tru’s dad is terrific. Worth your time.
  • I’ve tried to get Wilber Marshall on my podcast several times with no success. Turns out he spoke to the legendary Rick Gosselin back in November and I somehow missed it. Revealing stuff. Here’s the link.
  • If you haven’t watched The Wire, watch The Wire. I’m wrapping up my third go-round and it’s quite possible “the great American novel”.

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  • SC Dave

    Wilbur could be first rate. Certainly the Bears weren’t the same without him.

  • willbest

    “You wanna solve “tanking”? Reverse the draft order. Best team that doesn’t make playoffs gets first pick.” – Jeff

    Of course a ~.500 team headed into the last 10 games might opt to miss the playoffs and get a top 3 pick than push for a playoffs where they aren’t going to get through Cleveland or Golden State anyway. The system can always be gamed.

    The problem is in the structure of basketball. 5 on 5 makes it too easy to create a super team, especially when the max contract makes it easy to forgo a few million for a great chance at winning the NBA finals.

    The NFL needs to either make player greed work against super teams by making it very expensive for the players to create super teams. Getting rid of the max contract would be 1 way. Or limiting the number of contracts a team has over $12 million a year to 1, or two if they were both drafted by the team.

    Other than that you have to look at game play. Make it harder for Supers to carry a team. Perhaps reduce the foul out from 6 to 4 would make having a deeper bench more valuable.

    • Corporal Clott

      Wanna solve tanking? Then hire me as the commish. Hee hee

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      My tanking solution. Take the 15 worst teams in the draft. Give them a point for each loss in their record. So a team with 0-16 record would get 16 points while a team with 8-8 record would have 8 points. Subtract 1 point for every loss that was by more than 10 points. subtract 2 points for every loss that was more than 20 points and subtract 3 points for every loss that was greater than 30 points. Points can go negative.

      Team with the highest point total gets first overall pick. Any ties, the pick would go to the team with the worse record, if records are the same then higher pick goes to the team with the better point differential. This would penalize teams that were not competitive.

      I have not gone through the math to see how it would have changed the draft order.

      • SC Dave

        “This would penalize teams that were not competitive.”

        Exactly the wrong thing to do if draft order is supposed to foster a more competitive league.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I see your point but it is not exactly what I was getting at. Teams can be competitive and still lose a lot. I think this is penalizing teams for getting blown out in games consistently. The last couple years we have seen teams mass dumping talent in the off seasons. Incidentally those teams are usually at the top of the draft order the next season, and from my spot checks have significant number of blowout losses each year. The numbers will have to be adjusted since I have not gone through a multi-year study.

          • SC Dave

            Okay, understood. My opinion is that a losing culture probably outweighs the benefits derived from tanking. But it is just an opinion.

            Perhaps in a few years we can tell whether losing has helped teams. Does not seem to have improved the Browns, Jets, or Rams. Or the Bears, for that matter.

  • CanadaBear

    The MT piece was a feel good story for sure. I did like the part about meals at home. That was the same at our house growing up. You’d better be on time, polite, good table manners and if the phone rings, too bad so sad. If you didn’t follow those guidelines, it wasn’t going to go well for you.

    • Sounds like he’ll at least be somebody I enjoy rooting for. Now here’s hoping he makes rooting for him worthwhile.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Anyone here get a menu at home when they were young, or did you just eat what was put out in front of you (with the option of starving if you didn’t like it)?

      Tell my kids that.

      • leftcoastdave

        Tell my ex that.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I remember having to sit at the table for hours until I choked down some peas. I fucking hate peas.

        • CanadaBear

          Ditto! My mom was really good about it as long as I at least tried it. How she could remember what I had tried is beyond me. #6 out of 6 kids, you’d think she would have no recollection. Moms are the best!

        • DaMurph

          Oh me too! Fucking vile vegetable!

      • A menu, at home? lol

        We were so po, Spam was considered a real meal.

        • leftcoastdave

          Eggs, dude. A gross brought in from the farm. Scrambled eggs = protein.

      • CanadaBear

        Funny story. My mom went to my youngest sister’s house when my sister had her 4th child. Grandma arrives and the kids start shouting lunch orders at her. She makes lunch and the kids start bitching. Soon after there is a mini-riot going on and my mom has spanked all three kids within the first hour of being there. The oldest kid gets spanked and she cries, I’m telling my mom. My mother responds, that’s OK I’ve spanked her plenty of times, too. My mom said the look on my niece’s face trying to sift through that info was priceless.

  • CanadaBear
    • willbest

      I do not have the knowledge to make that determination. I find it difficult to argue with 1 and 2 though given the results.

      • CanadaBear

        I just based it on his accolades from that time period. Probably a bit biased because he had a Chevy dealership in town and I knew his son. My dad was no football expert but he always told me Lujack was really good.

    • Is Kramer under rated?

      • CanadaBear

        He only had one really good year. It’s not like any of the modern guys on this list are anywhere near top 10 QB’s.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I’d rather put a hole in my head than debate that…..

  • King of DBB

    Irish –

    Hacker group Anonymous has hacked NASA servers and found memos detailing a press announcement that is forthcoming. In that press kit it details that intelligent life has been found on another planet and that we have been in contact with that planet. Happy days for you!


    • Corporal Clott

      Aah, the illuminaughty are up to their old tricks again.

      • King of DBB

        The first message from the alien civilization was this:

        “Pace traded the WHOLE draft for Trubisky? For reals?”

        • Corporal Clott


        • evantonio

          Mike Ditka traded the whole draft for Ricky Williams.

          Very different than what we did.

          • Yeah. What did we end up giving – an extra 3rd?
            As Marky Mark said in the Departed. Whoopi fucking doo.

            We’ll get that 3rd back when we trade Glennon to the Browns next yr.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Unless he ‘Kishes’ the bed …

          • CanadaBear

            The brown turtle rubbing his nose on their shorts!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I was thinking the Jets, they seem to like our rejects that past several years.

    • willbest

      There will be no living with him now.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t know about that. He’s a pretty easy going guy. No doubt he will bring it up!!!!!

    • You know, I give Irish a lot of credit for turning me from an alien agnostic to a believer.

      I checked out the links he posted, and although some seemed crazy, that lead to other links, articles, testimony, etc that seemed not only sane, but logical and totally possible.

      I’ve actually researched quite a bit, and try to keep on top of it as much as possible because I KNOW the day is coming for “disclosure,” and if you thought ppl lost their minds over trading up for Trub, imagine when an alien walks out of the White House.

      Here’s the latest “evidence” which somehow doesn’t make the mainstream news.


      The thing I’m more skeptical about is WHY they’re here. Every crackpot seems to have a theory, from small greys trying to create a human-alien hybrid, to reptilians controlling the world through shape shifting leaders, so that’s when it begins sounding iffy.

      However, I do think they’re here, most likely studying us like Jane Goodall did the chimps.

      • King of DBB

        What do they make of Ditka?

        Beef Jerky! Get it!

      • Corporal Clott

        The fallen? They can’t take the sunlight and need sevreal billion slaves hoping one of us will come up with a way to move the keystone(moon) and unlock the dome.


        • Exhibit A.

          And you wonder how we can tell it’s you, Trac lol

          I’m guessing you’re going with the theory that “aliens” are really “demons” luring us into a false sense of hope only to pull the ole switcharoo and condemn our souls to everlasting hell?

          Or something along those lines.

          • Corporal Clott

            Lol. You don’t really think I believe that do you? Wink…wink…

          • Irish Sweetness

            Old Irish folk tales makes sense in the context of E.T.

            Fairies and their ‘fairy rings'(portals). The land of Tír na nÓg (land of youth)/trans-dimensional travel. Leprechauns ….

          • leftcoastdave

            I have a great homeboy who actually directed the Whoopi on Broadway. Only lasted about a week, but a prior play got one of his actors a Toni. His mother was black, his father Irish. He was 6’2″, 155 soaked in beer. St. Patricks day out with the boyz, he stumbles up saying, “one more mutha . . . calls me an Irish Jig or a Leprecoon and I’ll kill ’em.” We stood down more than one group of a-holes wanting to mess with him, albeit no blows actually exchanged.

          • Irish Sweetness


          • leftcoastdave

            Tru stuff. MacCafferty’s Pub circa 1979. Great and good humor. We had the posse to clear the bar. Not needed though when we stood together.

          • Corporal Clott

            Specially because Irish folk tales are indeed the oldest.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Don’t go down the rabbit hole!

        The best one I’ve heard is that we’re a joint-DNA-splicing-experiment between nine E.T. races as kind of a peace-project. That’s a good one.

        The Atacama child is real enough, but they reckon it’s human DNA … but if we’re a result of DNA experiments, then why wouldn’t it be ‘human’ DNA?


        You guys get a solar eclipse in August by the way!

        • “Best” as in most entertaining, or most plausible?

          In some ways, I would like to believe we’re a joint-DNA-experiment.

          Would put humans back at the center of the universe.
          Might also explain why so many diff types of aliens are observing us. I mean, we’re not all that, especially compared to them. But if they’re observing their experiment, makes sense. Might also explain why they’re not taking us over.

          That’s usually the theory I throw out the window right away. That X-alien (usu Reptilians) are scheming some way to rule over us.

          A. WHY? There’s literally BILLIONS of planets that are earth like in the entire universe. Real estate is not exactly short on supply.

          Also, why would they need to rule us? Do we need to rule monkeys or apes? If they’re that technologically advanced pretty sure they could easily create androids to do the dirty work more efficiently. Shit, we’re already replacing us with robots and we’re galactic chimps.

          B. ANY spacefaring species could easily conquer us. No “scheming” necessary. Thy would likely create a virus that would wipe us out and leave everything intact or have some sorta clean bomb that destroys all organic material. My guess would be the former. Bada-bing, badaboom, no more humans. Planet still there.

          I lean towards the theory that they’re observing us academically as scientists, historians, anthropologists, biologists, etc. Why read a book when you can observe 1st hand how a species lives and evolves?

          I also would guess they’re not just coming over from diff planets, but from diff planes and dimensions and that they’re tech is connected organically to their consciousness. Plus they have much longer life-spans than us, so very plausible they were here since the start, maybe even kicked it off Prometheus style.

          • leftcoastdave

            I still love Mars Attacks! as my third favorite movie of all times.

            “We come in peace. Ack ack ack.”

    • BearDown100393

      Can the E.T. do a hard count though?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Gruden is willing to take 5 minutes and teach him.

    • Irish Sweetness


      I guess they would have released what they had if they had it. They’re just probing.

      I think any ‘disclosure’ about intelligent alien life would probably be a false flag event anyway. Presidents have made more than one comment about “imagine how trivial our problems would seem if …”

      There’ll maybe be an ‘alien’ encounter, but it won’t be real.

      • leftcoastdave

        There was an alien encounter today at the Supreme Court. The Ninth Circuit came in and were thrown out on an unanimous decision saying, “what you doing in this country anyway, you wackos out in Kalyphonya?”

      • Pull an Ozymandias like in the Watchmen, eh? Yeah, that Regan quote appears in nearly every alien and conspiracy vid ever created.

        What would be the end to a false flag though?

        A one world government?

        You think 1 billion Muslims are gonna just say, “OK. We’re westerners now”?

        Not in our life time. I think little green men would have to take an inter-dimensional space shit on the Kaaba for them to even consider joining a one world government, and that my friend, would be some high end production.

        • Corporal Clott

          People forget there are 2 world empires under 1 umbrella. The Eastern Byzantine and Western Roman Empires. You’re referencing nothing more than a family squabble. We already have a 1 world govt.

          • So, enlighten us.

            If I remember history correctly, Byzantine was still a Christian/orthodox empire while the Western was Catholic.

            So that would mean that “the east” including alllll those Muslim (and Israel) nations are under the control of the Orthodox church?

            And that the west is under the thumb of the Catholic church?

            And that both the Orthodox east and Catholic west are under some NWO who is????

            (From your previous posts, I’m going to guess Rothchilds/BritCrown supermasters)

            Curious what you actually believe.

          • Corporal Clott

            The Rothschild’s are a convenient boogieman imo, that’s Irish’s thing. I don’t pretend to have all the answers butch, but I do know when I smell bullshit.

          • Corporal Clott

            Islam was founded by the Catholic Church?

            You might say that, but I couldn’t possibly….

  • BearDown100393

    “…..didn’t take a single snap from center and never huddled.”

    warrants the conclusion…… “I’m still not convinced Trubisky won’t be the starting quarterback in September.”

    1 of 3 possibilities:
    A. Da Bears Blog brought to you by the Chicago Bears
    B. Giraffe really really really really sucks
    C. Throw sh*t on wall. Hope sh*t sticks.

    • Corporal Clott

      I’m gonna hurt someone over this argument…..just sayin…


    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      There is a plus side of Trubs not taking a single snap under center and never huddling up.
      He does not have any bad habits to fall back on. Teach him right the first time and he should fall back into those habits.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        That may be true but it will still take him some time to master it. And he certainly won’t be ready by week 1. You can speed up the learning curve but only so much. Here are things he needs to learn to do to be a somewhat functioning NFL QB:
        1) Spitting out plays in the huddle for the other 10 guys on the offense. That means he himself has to have good understanding of all plays and have them memorized.
        2) Calling out protections and reading defenses pre-snap
        3) reading defenses post-snap
        4) Learning and repeating new footwork

        If anyone thinks he will have mastered these new things AND beat out Glennon in training camp, they are smoking some strong stuff.

        He might end up playing early this season if both Glennon and Sanchez get hurt and if he is forced in due to injuries, I expect it to be Jared Goff type shitshow.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I am smoking some strong stuff but don’t think we’ll see Mitch unless the injury Gods sing once more.

          • Bender McLugh

            we can do both

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          If you think Glennon has some of those things mastered, you are smoking some strong stuff.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Glennon played in pro style offense at NC State. Glennon and Russell Wilson were fierce competitors at NC State. And Glennon was good enough that NC State coaches told Wilson that they are going with Glennon because Wilson kept dabbling in baseball. And then Wilson ended up at Wisconsin where he mastered another pro style offense. So Wilson had learned not one but two pro style offenses before he showed up for his NFL rookie camp. That is why people who say Trub can start week1 just like Wilson did by beating out Matt Flynn do not know what they are talking about.

            Point is nobody is claiming Glennon is some star qb but he is fluent in the language and the basics.

            If playing on NFL sundays is like giving an expert speech at some conference, Mike Glennon can at least speak in sentences (his subject matter expertise is another story).

            Meanwhile, Trub is just learning verb, tense and sentence structure. So he ain’t giving speech anytime soon.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am not advocating that Trubs starts, but I am also not going to say it is out of the realm of possibility. Maybe everything clicks for Trub maybe it doesn’t.

        • Yeah. This “Trub Now” angle is silly. No matter how many times Jeff/Andy repeat it, I won’t believe or consider it. Not unless Trub blows our tits off in PS games vs STARTERS would I even remotely entertain the possibility.

          Lost in all this is that Fox is a conservative coach who is likely coaching for his career. Anyone think he’s going to allow a rook to determine his career and legacy?

          Not bloody likely.

          Took him like 4 games to finally start Howard who everyone with eyes thougth superior to Langford coming into the season. And that’s at HB.

          No way Fox wants his job in the hands of a rook. That might be enough to keel him over.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Having never taken a driving lesson, I am 100% confident I won’t have picked up any bad habits from my instructor.

  • King of DBB

    If any of you saw Twin Peaks last night, you saw perhaps the most experimental film ever to hit “mainstream” TV ever seen.

    • Corporal Clott

      Certainly….And to those who didn’t see it? Yuk..yuk..

    • Irish Sweetness

      Worth watching? I didn’t watch TP the first time around. Does that matter?

  • willbest

    Bennett vying to be Rodgers gay lover in this season’s State Farm commercials. Says Rodgers is a better QB than Brady

    • Corporal Clott

      That’s like comparing Christy Brinkley to Kelly Le Brock in their heyday.

      Smh…spellcheck tried inserting LeBron.

      • CanadaBear

        If you would have posted LeBron, this place would have gone nuts!

        • Corporal Clott

          I’ll try to do better next time Canada.

          • CanadaBear

            BTW, we might have had a shot with both of those ladies. Their choice of husbands was certainly suspect.

          • Corporal Clott

            Funny you should say that Canada. As a young man, I went on multiple virtual dates with both of those beauties.

          • CanadaBear

            Glad you were gone by the time I arrived for my “virtual date”. Two ships in the night!

          • Corporal Clott


      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m confused. Ms. LeBrock was a dame. Wait, I was about to pooh-pooh Ms. Brinkley, then I googled this:

        63 years old, gentlemen … for the jury ….


        (Aside: Daughter Alexa Ray is the subject of Billy Joel’s ‘lullabye’)

    • BerwynBomber

      He also rated Cutler above Romo and Eli, which is about a thousand times more mindless.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “(Jay) Mariotti was a special kind of shithead.”

    I’ll drink to THAT.

    The guy is unhinged.

    Woman abuser.

    Plead “No Contest” to a Felony Stalking Charge in 2011 and now he wants to sue Scott Van Pelt.


    I liked Van Pelt when he was on the radio. Don’t really catch his Sportcenters much.

    Disappointed he bothered to engage in the Twitter exchange with Mariotti whom, I bet lot of folks, like me, didn’t even realize still had a platform anybody took seriously.

    • BerwynBomber

      Van Pelt seems competent but not much more than that.

      The only national radio guy I’ve heard work solo who pulls it off is Cowherd. He is a bit too “hot take”-y at times but he will occasionally offer opinions that make me think. The rest of the guys — Patrick, Rome, Van Pelt, etc. — just use “clever” shtick to peddle pedestrian/conventional wisdom ideas.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Can’t stand Cowherd.

        Thinks he’s always the smartest man in the room.

        Completely disingenuousl.

        Happy to insult callers but AFTER they’re gone.

        “All ‘Fans’ are fanatics” which is not true even if fanatic is the root of the word fan.

        Stopped listening completely after he hung up on a a guy making valid points and then went on to belittle the call ending with “I bet you wear Khakis!”.

        Huh? That supposed to be clever, Colin?

        That, from a guy who had only JUST started wearing underpants because Tommy John was paying him to hawk their line.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Mariotti is the greatest ever. He personally told me when I met him in a hotel bar in orlando a few years back, not sure what he was doing there, don’t really care.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He was probably working up the “courage’ to go smack his GF around.”

        • CanadaBear

          I always thought he was a cowardly blowhard because he wouldn’t go face-to-face with the people he was criticizing. After the GF incident, he went to the front of the pack of cowardly blowhards. I love that he acts like such a tough guy but cried like a bitch when the GF incident went public.

          • Corporal Clott

            And.. I say why keep his name alive? There’s way better material out there for comic relief. Just sayin..

          • CanadaBear

            Good point.

        • BearDown100393

          Ozzie Guillen raises his hand to express an opinion….

    • BearDown100393

      The Shield comes to mind. Vic gets tired of playing referee between 2 rival gangbangers. So the strike team locks both in a freight car. 2 gangbangers enter. I gangbanger leaves. Instead of Van Pelt, why couldn’t the Twitter beef include SAS?

  • Scharfinator
  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Clear-eyed and sensible take by NFC North beat reporters on Trub. Very unlike the meatball stuff from Jeff, Dannehy, Leming, Wood and Lambert.

    NFC North Q&A: What’s realistic to expect from Mitchell Trubisky as a rookie?

    Rob Demovsky, ESPN’s Green Bay Packers reporter: To hold the clipboard for Glennon. Let’s face it, the Bears aren’t going to the playoffs this season whether it’s Glennon, Trubisky or anyone else under center. Why mess with Trubisky’s confidence now?

    Ben Goessling, ESPN’s Minnesota Vikings reporter: It depends on how quickly the Bears bring him along — and the way they’ve used him in the offseason program doesn’t suggest they’re planning to move particularly quickly, does it? The Bears have a decent line in front of him, and if he plays in Year 1, he’ll get a chance to grow with Cameron Meredith (and Kevin White, if he’s up to the task in Year 3). The Bears probably aren’t going to rush Trubisky into action, particularly after signing Glennon this offseason.

    Michael Rothstein, ESPN’s Detroit Lions reporter: Not too much. While Trubisky was the highest quarterback selected in the draft, if the Bears are smart they won’t force him into duty. This was a long-term play by the franchise, so it would be wise to let him sit behind Glennon at least to start the season. Let him learn by osmosis and by seeing how everything operates first.


    • Corporal Clott

      These writers have paying gigs so they have to cover their ass’s and try to sound like big boys so their position doesn’t make them right. But…Jeff has gone elephant hunting on this Tribinsky thing because he’s got nothing to lose if he’s wrong and will smell like a polished turd if he’s right.

      It’s a lose / lose scenario…..wait…I mean it’s a lose / win….er…you get the point.

  • Corporal Clott

    For GP and aspiring woodsman of the world, I found this link interesting.


    • Irish Sweetness

      The Woodsman was a Kevin Bacon movie about a guy that has a shine for the kinder, as I recall.

  • King of DBB
    • Corporal Clott

      It must be like hell on Earth for him. Growing up with that kind of talent and blowing it

      • In some ways, gotta feel a lil bad for him.

        For one, he played in the NFL before HCs incorporated spread/option concepts into the O.
        If the Titans had done that, maybe he becomes the next Cam? Or at the very least, a high end back-up.

        Also, Fisher (the most mediocre HC ever) seemed to do everything to sabotage him. He never liked him, and was on record for wanting none other than Cutler.

        (The same thing kinda happened to RG3 with Shanny the rat).

        However, once Young threw his helmet into the stands, that was that.

        He likely lost the locker room and every coach’s confidence going forward from then on.

        • CanadaBear

          Year after year we all would wonder, how does Fisher keep his job? The only thing I can think of is he might be great at a reach around or something but other than that, nothing.

          • And that odd thing is, that the Titans were winning with Young. I think he finished his career with the Titans with a 30-17 record (no thanks to Fisher brain power), which is much better than what Cutler finished with the Bears, so to a certain extent, I can see his gripe.

            But from most accounts, Young is a mental midget who STILL doesn’t get it, and that’s why no one wants him.

            The NFL seems more and more to value “intangibles” at QB over brute arm strength and athleticism.

            In the past, I think Cutler gets a shot on a team (maybe even Kap,), and Kizer gets drafted much higher .

            But both came with major ‘character’ flaws, and the NFL seems to be more gunshy on such QBs now.

            Meanwhile, guys like Trub, Mahomes, Watson, Hoyer, McCown, who have the intangibles teams like, get gigs.

          • BearDown100393

            Vince Young needs to yap less about Jeff Fisher and focus more on his conditioning and marketing his availability to play.

          • Agree. He still comes off like a jilted ex.

            However, imagine if Fox said, “Well, I wanted Watson, but I guess we got Trub” then threw Trub into the starting lineup and kept wanting him to fail for the next 4 seasons because he was pissed he didn’t get Watson.

            Even doing shit like taking off on the airplane without him.

            That’s prolly why Young cracked, and he has some right to be pissed about it.

            When an HC isn’t 100% behind the new franchise QB, it usually ends horribly (see the stories about how Glanville treated Favre in ATL).

          • BearDown100393

            I have no qualms with Vince Young regarding Jeff Fisher. However pledging to blow the lid off Fisher does nothing to help his cause for returning to pro football.

          • BearDown100393

            Simple. He “looks” like a head coach. And the NFL upper brass (for the most part) are not Einstein reincarnations.

        • Corporal Clott

          The truth is that nobody really ever knows the whole story, specially in today’s media. It’s so easy to blackball someone with a few one liners in a hit piece.

          • Well, Fisher is on record for wanting both Cutler and Leinart ahead of Young, but he was “over ruled”, which can’t be a good start for Young.

            “Looking back, I would say that I had the three quarterbacks ranked
            Cutler, [Matt] Leinart and Young,” Fisher told Chicago media on a
            conference call.”


            the irony?

            Young finished with a better record than either when on the Titans.

            They’re all out of the NFL though, for good reason.

          • Corporal Clott

            Some players are so well suited for college that the temptation to draft them is too great to pass up. No telling how many players didn’t make it in the pro’s due to timing. It’s karma maing.

          • Yeah, but look at Cam. Isn’t he pretty much running a college O?

            They nearly went undefeated, and it took a great D to finally derail them in the SB.

            Kap and Wilson also found some read-option success.

            heck, even RG3 his rook yr.

            These things go in cycles though.

            That being said, when Young was drafted, “Old School” Fisher was in no way going to insert some read-option for Young. He was going to cram his O down his throat to prove a point.

            Who knows? Might’ve burnt out either way, but I would’ve loved to see what Young could do playing to his strengths (same goes for some other QBs like Randall Cunningham or even Vick).

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well said, Sir!

          • leftcoastdave

            Amen to that. The media establish a phony meme and run with it.

        • BerwynBomber

          But Young never had Cam’s arm. Say what you want about Newton, but he can throw a ball through a wall.

          Young, OTOH, was a black Tebow.

          • True. But when you run a read-option, that tends to freeze the S, or force one of the S to go in the box to spy the QB.

            I think that would’ve helped Young out with the long ball and recognizing Ds

            Still don’t believe Young would’ve been AP, but def would’ve helped him out to have some of that read option sprinkled in.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’ll always contend MIN may have missed a minor opportunity to run something like with that Tebow and AP when the former was available post-DEN days. (And Ponder was continually shitting the bed for Vikes at that time.)

            Obviously it would not have been sustainable long-term (and someone like Belichick would have figured it out in a day), but a run heavy attack of AP and Tebow would have caused more than a few headaches across the league, and would have a been a ton more threatening than Ponder simply handing the ball off to AP or looking like Caleb Hanie Sr. when dropping back to pass.

          • Yeah. Like anything else, gotta play to the strength of a player.

            Heck, the read-option even helped Cutler that one yr under Gase. I think Gase would’ve run more but he was afraid Cutler was too fragile for more read-option, and he was right.

            Tebow-AP read would’ve been something to see.

            Though I think one must to be a certain type RB to run the read-option.

            A HB has to go from 0-60mph rather fast since he’s practically at a deadstop while the QB has the football in his gut deciding if he’s gonna keep it or not.

            HBs like AP and Forte are much better suited in the I-formation gaining a head of steam and seeing the lanes, though AP in his prime was rather explosive for a 6 220 pound back, so he could’ve prolly pulled it off.

            I wonder when Trub goes in if Birdcage will have a read-option package with him and Cohen.

            That would be pretty awesome, esp at the goaline or on short downs with a big ass TE blocking or being a huge target.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Talent schmalent, Trac. Hard work meets opportunity. Everyone’s got ‘talent’. I don’t even know what it means anymore.

        • leftcoastdave

          The good Lord gives us all talents. It’s what we do with them that matters.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Zackly. Everyone has a talent, not everyone cultivates it, so ‘talent’ is over-rated, it’s how hard you work at what you do that counts.

          • No amount of hard work could make me 360 dunk from the free throw line.

            So, yes, natural talent counts, though when you get to the highest levels, hard work usually distinguishes the good from the great.

            Usually, not always.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Now they can’t even keep the subway trains ON THE F’N TRACKS!

    Can you say “Crumbling Infrastructure”, boys and girls?

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Solution: More Tax cuts for rich assholes. Works every damn time.

      Eisenhower was a fool for using gubmint money to build the best highway system on this earth. Just imagine all that money going to tax cuts for job creators.

      • King of DBB
        • Corporal Clott

          My sister has a “Madam President, we did it!” magnet on her fridge at home and I still can’t get her to take it down. Just sayin….

          Edit: corrected the slogan.

        • SC Dave

          It is a sad indictment that such drivel is associated with any definition of “news”.

      • willbest

        They could just charge what they need to make public transit profitable. Which incidentally would include surge pricing during rush periods, after bars close, near sporting events etc.

      • Johnnywad

        Yes. That train derailment is definitely due to the budget that is going to be put forth. Certainly not due to the neglect over the last 8 years or so.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          “All bad things happened only in last 8 years or so”.

          • Johnnywad

            You are a living, breathing stereotype.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            LOL you showed yourself with that “last 8 years or so”

            As if no infrastructure decay happened in 20, 30, 40 years prior.

            If your heart was good, you would have acknowledged that. But we know.

          • leftcoastdave

            Rather like how Illinois and Chiraq have all suddenly gone into the BK tank because Trump was elected President. Those conservative policies they had been following drove all the jobs out to neighboring states with all their tax cuts for the rich.

          • Johnnywad

            You missed the point entirely. Shocked. You somehow manage to link this subway disaster to Trump’s budget while completely ignoring the fact that all of those passed before it, particularly those of your guy, failed to address it. I would guess it was in quite a bit better shape when Obama took office than when he left. Perhaps it should have been taken care of before he even arrived. But I wouldn’t know.

            If you’ve read anything I post here, you know my disdain for Trump is equal to that of Obama.

            And the fact that you somehow reach to racism, is what makes you such a caricature. It makes you the asshole I’ve assumed you to be. I can assure you I’m not racist.

            Hey and while we’re at it……..how you making out with that Russian conspiracy thing of yours? I didn’t see your retraction here anywhere. I didn’t see your 500 word essay on how Johnnywad was right……..again. But then, I didn’t expect you to actually own anything either.

          • leftcoastdave

            What do Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin and Indiana have in common (other than their border with Illinois) which is the opposite of Illinois? They voted for Trump and are run by Republicans with conservative policies.

            Just how are things going in Illinois and Chiraq with it’s murder rate?

            Not quite as good as the a fore mentioned states.

            And the reason after the president from Illinois was in office for 8 years and Illinois has been run by Democrats since the beginning of time?

            Certainly not tax cuts for the rich. If so, make the case.

          • SC Dave

            So true.

    • We need some of this anti-gravity/zero-point tech to be released.

    • BearDown100393

      Horses will make a comeback

  • BearDown100393

    Tickets for training camp?


  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Mariotti didn’t just suck but he trashed newspapers on the way out the door. Jay is one of the reasons sports fans turned to the internet.

    Roger Ebert’s farewell to “Jay, The Rat”.


    • BearDown100393

      The very definition of toxic.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Who was that other real weasel of a Bear-hating writer in town at the same time as Mariotti?

        • Johnnywad


          • AlbertInTucson

            No. I actually USED to find Rosenbloom entertaining.

            I think he originated “…your table is ready”. and “…your plane is boarding.”

            Now, of course, he’s unreadable.

        • CanadaBear

          Bernie Lincicome?

          • AlbertInTucson


            Well played, Canada!

            Bernie was just as big a jerk as Jay, IMO.

        • BearDown100393

          Geez there have been a few…. Bernie?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      GP loved Mariotti.

      • Corporal Clott

        Ehhh…personal foul, not even funny.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          wasn’t meant to be funny. this time it was an insult.

    • BerwynBomber

      Mariotti was proven pretty much right about that statement. I don’t get why critics of his hold it up as some fantastic comeuppance on behalf of Ebert.

      In terms of Mariotti being a rat, can’t say I cared much. I imagine a fair majority of successful people in the media have more than a bit of that “Ace in the Hole” aspect to their character/ambitions.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I just enjoyed a Mariotti co-worker confirming the fact the Mariotti was, indeed, a prick as a human being.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    “Economic anxiety” in America: Alabama edition

    Annie Karni‏Verified account @anniekarni

    Listening to focus group of white Alabama men. Q: Tell me about Pence. A: “He’s white — that’s all I really know abt him. Yeah. that’s it.”

    • beninnorcal

      What are you even talking about?

      • SC Dave

        He doesn’t know, ben.

    • leftcoastdave

      Yes, and CNN will certainly run with that as a lede. One white dude says that, and that is exactly what all those blue collar working men who voted for Obama twice thought when they changed their votes to Trump in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. It was all racist ‘tude which changed their votes from the Donkey to the Elephant this time around when it was a white woman instead of a black man. Is that it?

      • BerwynBomber

        Are you sure Obama did that well with the white working class vote in the rustbelt? My guess is he outperformed Hillary among blacks and suburban voters, but that neither did well with the “Reagan Democrats”.

        • leftcoastdave

          If that is the case, why did they change from being “blue collar workers” to “low information voters” to CNN and the rest of the lame stream media? It was the people who voted for the D whose jobs were disrespected until now President Trump came along. BTW, coal production is up now. Evil coal kills Gaia. Who cares about those “low information voters” who lost their jobs anyway?

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t speak on behalf of CNN or what labels they place on things. But I’ll reiterate, I doubt Obama did much better with the white working class vote than Hillary. Hence, your counter holds little to no validity (unless he really did kill it among the white working class).

          • leftcoastdave

            Res ipsa locutor.

          • SC Dave

            “I doubt…” and “Hence, your counter”… egad.

            You feel it is legitimate use your guess as to what’s right to assert that a contrary opinion has “little to no validity”? And somehow expect people to take you seriously?

    • BerwynBomber

      Pence is the epitome of the hypocritical Christian Right disease that infects the modern day GOP. He is the offspring of Reagan’s and Falwell’s love affair back in the ’80s. He is also one of the reasons why the Founder’s original concept of separating Church and State is at risk.

      • SC Dave

        Oh please…

      • leftcoastdave

        Correct me if I am wrong, but neither President Trump nor Vice-president Pence have bowed to the “Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques” in Saudi Arabia.

        And more to the point, the founders never did have an “original concept of separating Church and State.” States at the founding and thereafter HAD “state” religions. The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Congress, get it? Not states. The federal government was prohibited from establishing a national religion or prohibiting others from practicing their own religion. That is a far cry from saying that this clause prohibits a coach from leading a prayer after a football game on the fifty yard line or having the ten commandments displayed on public property.

        • BerwynBomber

          State refers to the nation state not individual states. Other than that, your answer is full of dim-wittedness and dissembling.

          • leftcoastdave

            You do not know history. Study the states at the founding and you will find that States had State religions. That was why the amendment was written as it was. Study history and constitutional law before ignorantly saying that someone else was “dim-witted or dissembling”.

            When exactly did “State” begin to refer to the Federal Government as opposed to individual “States” which existed before the federation?

          • BerwynBomber

            Thanks but I will stick to my original statement about you and your dissembling. You’re the guy that always has the “Dumbocrats” and other “clever”, belittling nicknames, right?

          • leftcoastdave

            If the shoe fits . . .

            Clearly with respect to your prior assertions and my rebuttal, it does.

          • SC Dave

            You’re so blinded by your ideology that you refuse to understand history.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, sure Dave. And you’re a non-partisan, progressive thinker.

          • SC Dave

            It is impossible to be non-partisan and Progressive.

  • Johnnywad

    Lads I toured Arlington National Cemetery, watched the changing of the guard, saw the Lincoln Memorial, Washington Memorial, Vietnam Veterans Memorial and WW2 Memorial today. Yesterday I toured the Capital.

    Gotta say, most of it is utterly overwhelming when you really let it soak in. Arlington particularly so.

    The juxtaposition of what we’ve done, against what we’ve been doing lately, is profound. We should all be quite proud of our history, but man things are changing.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      There is a lot to be proud of our history AND there is a lot to be ashamed of our history. You listed all the positives. Let me list some of the shameful things.. Slavery, wiping out Native Americans, civil war, jim crow, japanese internment, letting millons jew die before jumping into world war II, the only country to use nuclear weapon for mass killing (after japanese had agreed to surrender), completely fucking up Afghanistan just to spite Soviets and in the process creating Osama bin laden, propping up brutal dictators all over the world that killed their people but talking about “Freedumb” at home etc. etc.

      Need to acknowledge both the good and the bad.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “…after the Japanese had agreed to surrender.”


        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          The war was over.. the japanese had no capacity to hurt any country at that point. There was no need to drop atomic bomb.

          It was a pure dick move by the US. A move that killed, maimed thousands and disfigured many for years to come.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I find your argument pretty laughable.

            The Japanese Navy had been defeated on the battlefield.

            The Japanese Army had not.

            Japan had never lost a war.

            The militarists were trying to prevent Hirohito from capitulating right up until the moment his announcement was finally broadcast.

            I’ll concede there is some truth that slipped into your rant but there is a lot of convenient moralizing.

            Take slavery, for a start.

            It was a WORLD-WIDE blight for centuries including Caucasians enslaving each other and Africans enslaving each and then helping whites to ship fellow Africans across the seas. Native Americans were enslaving each, other long before Western Europeans ever got to North America. Even though the Brits had abolished slavery before our Civil war, they were quite willing to support the Confederacy in order to keep their mills supplied with cotton from the American South.

            Jim Crow, racism, civil rights? Yeah, bad news. Took longer than it should have to address those issues but they WERE addressed.

            Native Americans.

            Ugly history, for sure.

            But, they made war on each other, too. I mean, this continent was not the Garden Of Eden before Columbus bumped into it.

            The Crow scouted for Custer because they hated the Sioux and were happy to assist in the demise of the Sioux.

            Once upon a time The Apaches ran the Pimas off The Pimas land here in Southern Arizona and I DOUBT the Apaches just politely asked the Pimas “Hey, mind if we take over this nice territory of yours, please?”

            The Hopi and The Navajo have been at odds for centuries.

            As for America not entering WWII sooner, the country wasn’t prepared, politically OR militarily to jump into the fray sooner than it did.

            What did you expect? America would just immediately invade Europe and liberate the death camps just because the Nazis were evil? The Wehrmacht had already run the British and French armies completely off the continent and had the Russians on their heels, too.

            Chamberlain appeased Hitler at Munich because he knew Britain was not ready to go to war, again after WWI. A fact punctuated by Dunkirk.

            For America, when the real fighting first started in WWII, which was just WWI with an intermission, The US Military got its ass kicked by the Japanese in the Pacific and by Germany in the Atlantic and North Africa.

            Good night.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Japanese army was in China.

            It wasn’t soldiers that died, it was a city – two, in fact – and human sanity and love for one’s brother, that died. The other 58 cities had been bombed to at least 50% out of existence by Curtis LeMay’s campaign. Tokyo burned to the ground. They had already tried to broker a surrender that summer, but needed Hirohito not to lose face, which Truman simply had to refuse terms thereof and so he could drop his bomb.

          • SC Dave

            A long read, but it looks educational re: Japanese strength on the home islands.


            The historical evidence points to your statement about all those on Japan as “innocents” laughably incorrect. It always amazes me that so many people want to berate us for winning a war we did not start.

            Your comment about Truman is equally odd.

            FDR surprised his allies (i.e. Churchill and Stalin) by unilaterally proclaiming the objective of “unconditional surrender” of the Axis Powers at the Casablanca conference in January 1943. This prevented negotiated terms with Germany and Japan.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Brokered peace would have left those armies intact.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “The Japanese army was in China.”

            It was still a fighting force and committing atrocities which the Japanese still will not admit to including the use of chemical weapons.

            There was plenty of Japanese Army at home, too.

            The militarists were ready to turn Japan into one giant kamikaze.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah. The poor poor Japanese.

            Strange take Irish. Even after the first bomb, they needed a second to hang it up. You seem to be drawing a distinction between Japanese civilians and Japanese soldiers. Everything I’ve read suggested they were all pretty willing to fight to the death in the matter. Could be wrong, but that’s what I was taught.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bushido Code.

          • BerwynBomber

            Meh. Don’t know about all that Al. For all our WW2 heroism we sat on the sidelines for an inordinate amount of time in regard to Europe. Little England held off Hitler for what — four years? — before we finally joined the fray.

            From what I’ve read three things held us back. 1. public appetite. 2. Republican opposition. and 3. FDR wanting huge odds guaranteeing victory before we joined the European war. (Lend/lease, I believe, only passed by a single vote.)

            Also, Chamberlain was not Churchill. the former was out by ’40 and D-day didn’t happen until ’44.

          • SC Dave

            Ask the guys in the Merchant Marine about being “on the sideline”, BB.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Don’t know about all what?
            Yes, Churchill took over in 1940. He had nothing to do with Munich.
            Chamberlain, the reviled appeaser, didn’t have much leverage to do anything else because he knew his country was in no position to take on the Nazis in December of 1938 which was when the Czechs were sacrificed to the Nazis at Munich to forestall war. I’m well aware D-Day was ’44. The delusional “Japan Had Surrendered” initiator of this discussion seemed to fail to grasp that it took YEARS for the Allies to gear up for such an invasion. Little England held on alone but not for 4 years. Hitler declared war on the US right after Pearl Harbor in December of ’41, much to the chagrin of his generals. FDR did a lot of end runs to aid England between ’39 and ’41. Without US help neither England nor Russia likely survives the Nazis.

          • SC Dave

            What an imbecilic statement.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No need. This is true of course – if you respect and value human life – but they figured they’d lose a lot of G.I.’s ‘taking’ Japan. The Japanese army was in China anyway (so those killed were all innocents). But the thing is that they’d built their new toy and Truman had small-man syndrome and wanted to show the world. Don’t fuck with us, or we’ll do this. It didn’t need to happen … but Truman was one truly sick mofo and allowed it to happen.

            Some people think that series of explosions – test or actual – triggered a sudden galactic interest in our little planet. Maybe we should thank Mr. Truman.

          • SC Dave

            Why Truman? Oppenheimer led the thing.

          • AlbertInTucson

            After Germany was defeated, Oppenheimer and several of the other Manhattan Project scientists did urge that the atomic weapon(s) not be used.

            The military advised Truman of estimated casualties of around a million Americans, and lord knows how many times that for the Japanese, if the home islands required a conventional invasion.

            American casualties for Iwo Jima and Okinawa had become disturbing. Worse than D-Day.

            Truman ordered the bombs to be dropped to bring the War in the Pacific to it’s quickest end.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed with your overall statement BUT I don’t know if we share that much blame for “creating” Bin Laden by opposing the Soviet’s invasion of Afghanistan. Yes, we obviously funded the Mujahideen but a) was time of the Cold War, and b) would have taken a ton of foresight to know that an extreme, charismatic leader would emerge from their ranks who would one day bring down the Twin Towers and presumably fuel never-ending flames of Western hate among their radicals.

        Though we are, at the least, partly responsible for the multi-decade perception of being decidedly Pro-Israel/Anti-Arab in that region. That never helped our “fair broker” reputation and rightfully stoked generational resentment.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Why not let Soviets have Afghanistan?

          The US ego could not stand it. We had to respond. We had to meddle in some way.

          Read history. No one has been able to tame Afghanistan in 2000 years. Not Alexander The Great, not various Indian Kings from the first century to the 15th century, not the brits

          Read an article a couple of years back about how Afghanistan kept getting worse since the late 1970s once the US-USSR made it their playing field to exert dominance and now is a failed state. People there have very little hope.

          US did use Osama bin laden and then dumped him. It did start a chain of events.

      • Johnnywad

        Please get a real handle so I can block you.

        These monuments are in recognition of all the brave and great things we’ve done. The Capital represents some of the most powerful history there is.

        And yet, I can’t enjoy that for a day according to you. I can’t enjoy the fact that we got slavery right. I can’t enjoy the fact that we defeated the Nazis and the Japanese. And your statement regarding the Japanese and The Bomb, might be the dumbest, most out of line stance I’ve seen on the issue. I can’t pay my respects to all the dead and missing Vietnam War Vets without first stating everything that was wrong with that war. According to you, gotta recognize all the bad things that have ever happened in the same breath as the good. Even while specifically touring national monuments honoring the dead.

        You’re a fucking weirdo. As I said, please officially register with Disqus and get a real username so I can block you, you miserable son of a bitch. As it stands, I try, but it won’t accept it.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Truth always hurts. Look at your unhinged response, reality denier.

          And times are always changing. Don’t get stuck in one-sided memories of the past. The side that you like.

          • Johnnywad

            Nothing unhinged about it. Pretty clear and precise.

            The truth doesn’t always hurt by the way. That’s just more stupidity.

            Love the “reality denier” quip. First I’m a racist. Now this. So I’ll bite. What reality am I denying?

            When you’re done, please register with Disqus.

    • In spite of Trump pining for making America great again, the Civil War took 625,000 American lives, which supposedly is about 6 million today. That many dead because the South deemed slavery their cultural and constitutional right. The President declared martial law. Then he was assassinated. And reconstruction with Jim Crow laws and a bunch of other shit slimed down to us now. And I’m not even gonna go into the Native Am genocide before that.

      So while I respect those who gave their lives vs zee Germans, and a few other battles, I think as a nation we learned to be better humans and not just better soldiers or citizens.

      In other words, I don’t think the U.S. is nearly as horrible now as doom and gloomers make it out to be.

      Sure, we’re divided, but that’s almost always been the case (Hamilton v Burr).

      Just gotta grind through it somehow.

      Glad you did the whole thing. Would love to see the Lincoln Memorial, and I think I heard that a new Slavery and Freedom museum opened up in DC co-sponsored by the Smithsonian.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The eternal flame on JFK’s grave at Arlington is a very sad sight. Pretty, but very sad.

      • Johnnywad

        Indeed. And his two babies lie beside him to boot. Death follows that family.

        • SC Dave

          I remember someone once said to me in a bar somewhere that the children were paying for the sins of the father, by whom he meant Joe Kennedy.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Did it coincide, or even signal, the decline of the American Empire? It would have been a very different world with the Kennedys at the helm – possibly running the WH for 16 years(!). They both had the balls to take on The Machine, but paid for it with their lives. R.I.P. The American Dream.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, the “Great Society” was pretty much Kennedy’s vision. So give credit to LBJ for enacting it. But yeah, he lacked the former’s foresight and charisma.

          • Johnnywad

            I don’t know Irish. I think the American Dream is still alive and well for many. It is for me and many I know.

  • AlbertInTucson

    The American Flag Football League debuted tonight!

    8 TD passes for Michael Vick.

  • AlbertInTucson

    White Sox beat the Damn Yankees tonight with 2 in the 9th!

    I think the Sox moved back to only 10 games under .500.


    • BerwynBomber

      Best they lose. You don’t want that team chasing fool’s gold at the deadline. Trade off some vets (Robertson, Melky, Frazier, maybe even Quintana) and accumulate more prospects.

      They started the re-build in the offseason. They need to follow-thru on it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Quintana has looked good lately, including tonight. The Yanks are one of the teams that would like to get him.

  • AlbertInTucson

    New tread.

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