Across The Middle — Week Five

| October 5th, 2016


After parading my son around the house while playing “Bear Dowwwwwnnn Chicago Bears…” my wife gave me a puzzled look and said: “The Bears won?”

“Of course they did,” I replied.

To which she asked one question: “Jay Cutler is going to get fired, isn’t he?”

I had to think for a second, but I could only come to one answer: “Probably.”

In reality, I don’t think anyone knows what is going to happen with the Bears quarterback situation. But if I have to guess what John Fox is going to do, my guess is that he’s going to stick with Brian Hoyer until Hoyer gives him a reason to make a change.

There are two undeniable facts:

1. Jay Cutler is better than Brian Hoyer.

2. Brian Hoyer played really well on Sunday.

We have a decade to base Cutler being better than Hoyer on and, really, this season hasn’t given us too much to dispel that. It doesn’t matter, though, because Fox pretty much said he wouldn’t pull Hoyer if the journeyman kept playing well.

It’s been common to discredit Hoyer, but I find it really hard to fault him. I charted him with:

  • Just three inaccurate passes and as being accurate on 5 of the 6 passes he threw beyond 20 yards — although only 2 were caught.
  • He was eight-for-nine with 134 yards and a touchdown on third down.
  • They converted 4 of the 10 third downs in which he threw the ball, all 4 of which came on passes that traveled beyond the third down marker.

There are, of course, some things that need to be taken into consideration, starting with the opponent, a team Aaron Rodgers torched for four touchdowns in the first half a week earlier. With that comes the fact that the Bears’ offensive line was absolutely brilliant, allowing just three disruptions and paving the way for Jordan Howard to control the game on the ground.

We don’t know how Cutler would’ve played under those circumstances. His history suggests he would’ve been great, but we’ve also seen him throw up some stinkers for no apparent reason. Cutler is better than Hoyer, so logically, it seems Cutler would’ve played better than Hoyer, but we don’t really know. While the last time Cutler passed for 300 yards in a game with two touchdowns and no interceptions was against Washington last year, it isn’t something that has happened often in his career. The last time he had consecutive 300-yard games without an interception was, well, never.

If it were me making the call, I wouldn’t hesitate to go back to Cutler and try to max out the potential of the offense. They’ll never be better than mediocre with Hoyer. If they run the ball like they did against Detroit they could be great with Cutler. Cutler is still good enough to win a Super Bowl with, even if the Bears are a long way away from that right now. But I don’t get to make the call. Fox does and Fox has already told us what he likes.

Fox is a defensive coach and defensive coaches tend to like the quarterback who protects the ball better. Not only has Hoyer not thrown an interception in his two starts, he really hasn’t had many passes that were even close to being picked off. Even at his best, Cutler has a few throws you’d rather he didn’t attempt.

When mentioning Hoyer and a possible quarterback controversy, we can’t ignore his first game in which I charted him with SEVENTEEN!! inaccurate passes, but none of those inaccurate passes were intercepted.

Hoyer moves through his progressions very quickly and gets the ball out. He may not be able to threaten defenses vertically and may not be particularly accurate, but he isn’t turning the ball over. He gets the ball out into the hands of the playmakers and maybe that’s what the Bears need right now? Cutler is better at making chicken salad out of chicken shit, but maybe the Bears already have chicken salad and Hoyer is better at seasoning it. 

Ultimately, Jay Cutler is better than Brian Hoyer, but we don’t know if the Bears are better with Jay Cutler or Brian Hoyer. If you were John Fox — and your NFL life depended on not being terrible this season — how could you bench a hot hand?

The Rook Can Play

While Fox hasn’t committed to a quarterback, he left no question who his running back is going to be going forward.

After the game Fox said: “I think he’s outstanding and we will ride him pretty good moving forward.” And, really, what’s not to like?

We all knew Howard was powerful coming into the draft, but I think everybody — including NFL scouts — underestimated his quickness and burst. Once he sees the hole, he cuts up field gets through it and packs a punch. While the offensive line was good, I also had Howard down for seven broken tackles and five runs for more than 10 yards.

I still think Jeremy Langford has a role on the team and, ultimately, I think Langford has a higher ceiling. But Langford wasn’t seeing the holes and exploding like he did last year. Add in the fact that Langford doesn’t break a lot of tackles or make people miss and you see the problem.

Send Floyd After the QB

I get that Leonard Floyd is versatile and can be an asset in space, but when they’re not getting any pressure on the quarterback, they need to start sending their first round pick.

The Bears have barely asked Floyd to go after the quarterback, but he did manage one hurry — thanks, in part to good coverage. It isn’t as if he’s been unproductive. He had two hurries and half a sack against Houston, had another hurry against Philadelphia and drew a holding penalty as he pressured Dak Prescott. He should’ve drawn two more holding penalties against Dallas but Jason Witten always gets the calls.

Part of the reason the Bears didn’t get pressure against Detroit is that they didn’t really try to. They rushed three quite often and I’m not sure they ever sent more than four in the game. It’s a sound strategy against a team that relied on quick passes, but they did get burnt a few times simply because they couldn’t get any pressure. The expected return of Pernell McPhee in two weeks will help that, but asking a high first round pick to do what you drafted him to do should also be part of the plan.

From The Chart

• I feel like Akiem Hicks gets better every week. I had him for two hurries, a quarterback hit and a sack, giving him four disruptions by himself. That actually tied with Willie Young for the team-lead (both season-highs for any Bears player this season), but a few of Young’s came when the Bears already had a big lead.

• I’ve seen John Timu, Jonathan Anderson and Christian Jones and I don’t understand why any of them would take snaps from Nick Kwiatkoski. Timu missed a couple of tackles, gave up a catch for 22 yards and was out of position a few times. His instincts are a strength, but if he’s not fundamentally sound, he doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for it. I just don’t see him as someone who can play much in the modern NFL. Kwiatkoski will make more mistakes, but they need to see him play.

• This was a much better matchup for Will Sutton. I had him with three tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage. He isn’t a terrible player, but asking him to play over the best center in the league like the Bears did against Dallas is asking for a disaster. He should be OK this week against Indianapolis too.

• The Bears line was great in pass protection, but I still had them down for five bad runs. Long and Leno both had two, while Whitehair had one and was called for holding. Every week Josh Sitton is proving he has gas left in the tank.

• As mentioned earlier, I had Hoyer as being accurate on eight of his 10 passes that went beyond 10 yards. Not all of them were caught as Kevin White had a drop and another pass that was batted away, but he hit two money balls right down the middle, including the 64-yard pass (21 yards in the air) to Eddie Royal on third-and-11.

Breaking Andrew Luck

My biggest fear early in the Jay Cutler era with the Bears was that they were going to break him and the Colts are well on their way to doing just that with Andrew Luck.

Luck will still make big plays, but they don’t protect him well enough for him to do it consistently. The Colts started three rookies on their offensive line last week and probably will again. The Bears have to get pressure and they have to bring Luck down when they do. This could be a huge game for Young, Hicks and Floyd (you know, if they send him).

If the Bears can’t get pressure or the play breaks down, they’ll be in trouble because the Colts have some fast players who can make big plays. We saw what Will Fuller did to them and the Bears have allowed receivers to run free on deep passes in pretty much every other game this season. They have gotten lucky with drops and over-throws.

It should be another big day for Jordan Howard and it shouldn’t matter who the Bears play at quarterback against one of the worst pass defenses in the league.

If the Bears can contain Luck, they should come away with a win. And if they can get a win against Indianapolis, they’ll have a good chance at getting back to .500 against Jacksonville.

Not quite the lost season so many were talking about two weeks ago. What a difference a win can make.

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  • Scharfinator

    AD, I think your fear about breaking Jay has been confirmed for a bit.

    Ever since he got sacked 90 times in the first half vs NYG, I gave up.

  • Irish Sweetness

    You are aware that the Lions were giving up the highest QB ratings in the league, Andrew?

    Quoting his numbers without saying what kind of opposition he was doing it to is more relevant.
    He did a good day’s work against the worst pass defense in the league. You’re supposed to do that though. Let’s see what his numbers are against Minnesota, if numbers are the only measure of quality.

    • SC Dave

      I suggest seeing what the numbers are against Indianapolis first.

      • MB30SD

        One. More. Game!

        And if has same/similar numbers… one game at a time baby.

        • SC Dave

          Exactly. This team is not good enough to look past anybody.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      I did reference the defense.

  • willbest

    Not following the 3rd down stats.

    8 of 9 on third down… for impressive numbers okay so far.

    4 of 10 (where did the extra one come from) moved the chains. Okay so presumably then the other 4 passes he completed were short of the first down marker. That would be a bad thing without context (ie. they were 3rd and 15).

    • Andrew Dannehy

      The 10th was a sack. Half of his completions were beyond the sticks, three of the other four were within two yards, one of which Miller should’ve had a first, but he tried to make a move up the field. Another was a dump off on third-and-12.

      • Bender McLugh

        that Miller 3rd down pissed me off….a dude his size only needed to fall forward but couldn’t even do that.

    • SC Dave

      I noted that yesterday. Receivers need routes that are seven yards downfield on third and 6, not routes that are four yards.

  • willbest

    At the quarter post, there are only 4 above average defenses on our 16-game schedule (assuming the Eagles are legit) and we have already played 2 of them. The remaining two are against what figures to be the best defense in the league.

  • willbest

    Top 10 in Points allowed per game

    Eagles – 9
    Vikes – 12.5
    Seahawks – 13.5
    Pats 15.2
    Broncos – 16
    Bills – 17
    Ravens – 18
    Texans – 18.2
    Rams – 19
    Cowboys – 19.2

    • MB30SD

      How are we not on that list

      • willbest

        Because we give up 24.25 points per game, and that is a list of the best defenses (well best teams) in terms of points allowed per game

    • BerwynBomber

      Iggles and Cowboys are the big surprise. I suspect the latter is somewhat due to their early schedule.

      PHI is probably not quite as good as their #s suggest but they’re still good/legit. They have three solid pro-bowl level dudes in Cox, Graham and Jenkins. And Shorts, albeit a dick, is one of the better D coaches in the league.

      Wouldn’t be surprised if HOU slipped a little as the season wore on. Even with 3/4 Watt they didn’t strike me as all that in the opener.

      • willbest

        The bye helps, but so does only giving up 3 points to the Steelers. I am not going to crown them the best D in football this year, but if you do that you are definitely a top 10 D until you prove otherwise.

        As for Houston, maybe… If they can figure out how to get Oz going that will take a lot of pressure off their D which is competent without Watt. And they don’t play New England on Thursday Night every week. Then again they let the Titans score 20 on them and the Titans suck.

    • Johnnywad

      30% of the top ten got there on the backs of the Bears offensive line and Birdcage. At least they’re making something happen for others. They’re givers. People persons.

  • 505Bears

    Whoever the QB is, the Bears better line up and let the big boys on the O-Line smash that weak ass Colts front 7. If they run the ball 50 times, I’ll be a happy camper, assuming they are successful.

    • Scharfinator

      “line up and let the big boys on the O-Line smash that weak ass Colts front 7”

      Favorite quote on the blog in a long while! LETS DOOO IT

  • EnderWiggin

    “five runs for more than 10 yards”

    Good stuff.

  • Scharfinator
    • CanadaBear

      FUCK! Now let’s hear from everybody about Alshon being a cream puff.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Alshon is the greatest cream puff ever, FUTURE CREAM PUFF HOFer!

    • willbest

      I said Pace was stupid for not giving Alshon new papers.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, at least it doesn’t seem metal rod-related.

  • MB30SD

    Is there anything more abjectly infuriating than driving along a busy road when some fucking rich cunt in a white Porsche panamerica slams on its breaks without a turn signal and takes literally 10 seconds to turn into a driveway in front of you.

    I wanted to get out if my fucking car and beat him/her to death with a half-full jar of grey poupon I swear to god.

    Holy fuck my blood pressure must still be through the roof right now.

    • BearDown100393

      What a waste of grey poupon.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Blog rule: Porsches can never be driven by cunts.

      • willbest

        I thought you were automatically a cunt if you were driving a Porsche

        • MB30SD

          Or a lawyer?

        • Sactowns#1

          Only if you pronounce it “porsh-uh”

      • CanadaBear

        They will have to take the Boxster out of production.

        • MB30SD

          Hee hee

    • Sactowns#1

      When I was a kid my old lady neighbor (like in her late 60’s) bought a twin turbo Supra. I’m guessing she never got it above 40mph. It was both infuriating and depressing.

  • CanadaBear

    You know the Bears 1st rd draft pick is sucking ass when Andrew compliments him for this production in 4 games; “He had two hurries and half a sack against Houston, had another hurry against Philadelphia and drew a holding penalty as he pressured Dak Prescott.” So he’s had 3 hurries, half a sack and drew a holding penalty in four games. Big whoop. That’s not even a great game by a stud defender.

    • willbest

      How many stud D-linemen are studs their first year? Not trying to excuse him, just looking for a benchmark

      • Huge Bears Penis

        if you are referring to only hurries and sacks, my guess is quite a few have very good rookie years, mainly because they are only used as situational pass rushers their first year. some d-linemen never get back to the production they had their rookie years. A good example from the Bears is Mark Anderson. Rookie year he had 12 sacks after his rookie year he never came close

        • willbest

          I tend to think our OLBs are playing way too much with Nanny on PUP and Houston on IR. Plus the D-line is also banged up. I am willing to cut both Floyd and Young some slack. But Indy is a ripe target, so patience will start to wear thin

      • CanadaBear

        Typically a blue chipper looks like one right away. Maybe the production isn’t there immediately but the eye test says, “Holy Fuck, he’s a keeper”. I sure don’t see that with Floyd. Not saying he’s a bust because that’s crazy after 4 games, just disappointed from what I’ve seen. Same with Fuller and White.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That’s not bad.

      If it were for ONE game.

  • BerwynBomber

    Hoyer played very well indeed, but Fox would be moronic not to start Cutty if the latter is ready. Jay’s a better QB, even if performance/efficiency numbers (between the two) might be closer than some think.

    In terms of the O-line play, Massie still managed to give up a bad sack (not a coverage sack) and then commit a false start on the very next play.

    P.S. No need to give up on Langford yet. It isn’t like we are paying him much. He can still be valuable as a back-up/3rd down guy.

    • willbest

      Howard has 9 receptions on 12 targets for 77 yards. Langford has 5 receptions on 9 targets for 27 yards. I don’t know exactly why you would put him on the field on 3rd down. But the Bears are always going to need a backup. And there are worse backups for more money than he costs.

      • BerwynBomber

        Mainly to spell Howard. I don’t know how many 25 carry guys don’t have someone spelling them at points during the game, but I bet the # is few; in short, probably very few RBs play 100% of their teams snaps.

  • BearDown100393

    White’s Left Ankle, Kevin “An Ankle”

    Kevin White’s left ankle (aka “An Ankle”), 24 passed away suddenly at Halas Hall on Wednesday, October 5th after a fatal football injury at Soldier Field on the previous Sunday. Kevin White’s left ankle was the 7th overall NFL pick drafted in 2015 by Chicago Bears General Manager Ryan Pace. Kevin White’s left ankle attended West Virginia University and Lackawanna College. Kevin’s White left ankle was named an All-American by some and was a finalist for the Fred Biletnikoff Award. This rewarded Kevin White’s left ankle with a 4 year, $15 million contract, including a $10 million signing bonus. Kevin White’s left ankle often visited orthopedic facilities and charitably devoted time and companionship to Kevin White’s left shin after surgical recovery for a stress fracture. Kevin White’s left ankle is survived by his brother Kevin White’s right ankle. Kevin White’s left ankle’s financially prosperous NFL career will be celebrated at Halas Hall following today’s football practice. Head Coach John Fox will preside over the specific details of Kevin White’s left ankle (aka “An Ankle”) and evade all other inquiries regarding Jay Cutler’s survival with the team. Kevin White’s left ankle cleat will be buried at the 32 yard line commemorated with a 1st down chain indicating 3 yards short prior to next home game.

    • MB30SD

      Very nice eulogy BD.

    • Bender McLugh

      have they said how long “An Ankle” will be out?

      • BearDown100393


        • Sactowns#1

          I’m sure Fox will provide us with an in depth analysis today.

      • Scharfinator

        Many moons

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  • “[Floyd] should’ve drawn two more holding penalties against Dallas but Jason Witten always gets the calls.”

    Yes, cuz that’s what you want from your top 10 pass rusher, getting beat by an old white TE>

    That’s the ultimate disrespect from an OC. “We’ll just put a TE on that dude”

  • Sactowns#1

    So… any word on Marquees?

    • CanadaBear

      I haven’t heard anything. Maybe Irish has a scoop. I know he really likes Q!

    • willbest

      He is on PUP so he can start practicing with the team week 6 and they have until week 9 to put him on the active roster. White should be back by then though. At this point, I don’t know who you kick off the 53 for Wilson. Bellamy and Thompson are STers. Meredith outside of a bad fumble is doing solid so he is the guy Wilson’s going to have to beat.

    • I wouldn’t be holding a vigil for him.

      Bellamy and Meredith look about the same as Wilson.

      • PaceBot 2000

        I think this will be Meredith’s chance to break out. I want him to do so well that he starts holding out for more money. That’s when you know you’ve really made it.
        It’s only his second real year of WR. He keeps getting better and is huge and black which in my book is always a plus as opposed to tiny and white.

        • CanadaBear

          Even though my love for Meredith pales in comparison to Irish’s, he has played well. I guess we’ll find out real soon if Alshon is healthy. Glad Royal is balling.

  • Sactowns#1

    White to IR with fractured fifula?! How long can this team survive Pace?

    • willbest

      In other new’s Jeffery’s agent has informed the Bears he is seeking an additional $5 million in guarantees.

    • Scharfinator

      Damn, give him some HGH already.

    • willbest

      Emery hit on 1 of 3 first rounders, and 1 of 3 second rounders. And 1 of 3 third rounders (if you count Brandon Marshall’s trade as a hit)

      At the moment it looks like Pace is 0 for 2 in the first, but 2 for 2 in the second and either 0 of 1 of 2 in the 3rd

    • A severe ankle sprain which resulted in a fractured fibula.



      They’re debating whether he needs surgery or not.

      Just fucking give him surgery and mark him out the season. No need to McPhee him.

      What a chinadoll.

      (told you SC, if he gets hurt again, he’ll be labeled a chinadoll).

      So much for blowing the top off Ds, esp with Alshon limping around.

      • Scharfinator

        He’s Mr. Glass

        Also, he’s on IR

        • We got TWO of them.

          • willbest

            Um… Jeffery has played in 55 of 68 games, which is now 3 less than Cutler since the start of 2012.

            Nanny who entered the league in 2012 with Jeffery is only 58 of 68 (same as Cutler). And since joining the Bears has only played 1 more game than Alshon.

            And just to drive it home a bit, since 2012 Alshon Jeffery has played in 1 more game than Eddie Royal (54), and they both have the same number of games played as a Bear.

            Josh Bellamy is actually the Bears healthiest receiver having been active in all 20 games since 2015 (although Marc Mariani was active in every game last year).

          • Yes, but as I often point out, how many times did Alshon “start” or play, when he SHOULDN’T have, when he was clearly limping around.

            Last game was the latest. A full speed Bellamy or Meredith are prolly better options than a gimpy Alshon (and might explain why Hoyer is not going to Alshon as much).

            And it’s always soft tissue inj for Alshon.

            It’s one thing if it’s bone like with White (there’s no training to make bones stronger, I don’t think), but I feel like soft tissue inj can be prevented more.

            Though I’m no trainer.

          • CanadaBear

            I agree with ya but give AJ credit for going out there dinged up. Also, I’m starting to wonder about White’s bones. A high ankle sprain rarely results in a fractured fibula. Who knows? What a pisser about both of them but the last few years there have been a crazy amount of injuries.

          • Yeah, I don’t recall hearing that type of inj. Odd.

            I fucked up my ankle one type really bad landing wrong on the basketball court. Didn’t fracture shit.

            Maybe something to do with that rod? Think it’s in the same leg.

          • willbest

            I am convinced that if Alshon says his leg feels tight they list him as questionable with a hammy. He has had so many beastly games when he supposedly has a hamstring. Sure you have the Rams (?) game last year where he was being used as a decoy.

            But I don’t think you can look at this past week and say it was because he was hurting. Hoyer targeted Jeffery 5 times (3 for 46), and he had plenty of other chances if he wanted to go that route, he just chose not to. Maybe he knows his limitations on the throw, maybe he didn’t see him, maybe his 1st or 2nd option on the play was open too. Who knows.

          • Big Mike

            is that guy Marques Wilson dead?

          • Sactowns#1

            I just assumed you were referring to Cutler.

    • CanadaBear


    • Also, this supposedly guarantees that either Fuller or White will not play this season.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m sure White’s done for the year.

      • willbest

        I thought you had to designate who gets to come back when you put them on IR, and we used it on Fuller. Though I am not certain.

    • Big Mike

      That’s just the luck of the draw. Everyone was happy with the White at 7.

      • willbest

        I wasn’t particularly happy with the pick. Even after we traded Marshall we still had Jeffery and Royal. And Wilson had been coming along and showing he was better than JAG (of course he has since reverted and is as brittle as White). We had so many other needs that White had to be a #1 WR or he was going to be a bust. Could have had Vic Beasley.

      • Yeah, I mean, it’s bone inj. Not sure doctors can examine that.

        Sucks. We just seem eternally snake bitten in the first rd, esp with injuries.

        • Big Mike

          One of the reasons I’ve been more in favor of trading back then up. Although at the time I liked the aggressiveness. Historically, independent of GMs we have done very well in rounds 2-4 with the exception of our run on slow, fragile white safeties.

  • Doc Nitty

    Been busy not caring about football. My mind has been on other more glorious things.

    Hope everyone is doing well.

    Quick shout out to GP . Our boy MB said that you are going through rough times, my man. I’m here to tell you that one day the clouds will part and reveal a glorious new shade of pink. Feel the pain, roll with it, let it eat you for a while, it’s the only way you’ll get through it. But you will, and when you do….glory be, my friend. Glory be.

    From what I’ve heard, sounds like she did you a favor. You don’t need a superficial cunt like that in your life. Rock on, my friend. For now though, just be comfortably numb for a while. You’ll be alright.

    Personally, I just want to kiss my x-wife on the lips for leaving me. Life is SOOO much better now.

    All hail new shades pink.

    • PaceBot 2000

      Pink looks good on you….uh…I mean your face.

      • Doc Nitty

        Tastes even better.

        Problem is, MB said not to fall in love again too soon. But this chick fits me like a glove in so many ways. I’m just rolling with it. Whatever will be will be. Either way, I currently feel no pain.

        • CanadaBear

          I was single for 2.5 years but was going out with my future bride the whole time. Apparently I’m the marrying kind.

          • Maybe you and Doc are like that.

            One of my best buds was NEVER without a girlfriend for more than 3 months. This went all the way back to 7th grade.

            In fact, me and my friends knew when he was single cuz suddenly he would hang out with us. Then, he’d disappear again, and we figured, “new GF”.

            He married his HS sweetheart, and is still with her (though they had major ups/downs).

            There are those types.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt. As long as he is relatively happy, good on him. I don’t know any married couple that doesn’t have some ups//downs. Men are assholes and women are crazy. What could go wrong?

          • willbest

            Everybody’s got problems. There was a study on people that have been married 30+ years and there were a few interesting findings from it

            1) Both people in the relationship reported significant periods of unhappiness
            2) Therapy was rarely seen as helping with difficult times
            3) Most serious problems that were overcome were usually the result of just outlasting the problem.

          • Almost all my friends are still married, and have been married since their early 20s (they’re about 38 now), and I would say, those 3 are true, esp #3.

            My friend who married his HS sweetheart was actually going to divorce her a few years ago. Real dark period.

            The problem? They had JUST moved out of an apartment and bought a house. They had 3 kids.

            I told him, “take it from someone who grew up in a shitty hotel – that’s a big upgrade for a kid, and divorcing now would shatter their dream.”

            They ended up riding it out, but it was really rough going for a while, and in all honesty, if HE wasn’t the more mature and forgiving one, that would have ended in divorce.

          • CanadaBear

            Amen on the therapy. The first visit I was the devil and the therapist went along with it. The second visit was much like the first but maybe I wasn’t the devil. The 3rd visit the therapist started standing up for me. I never had to go back!

          • Yeah, I think we all have that friend.

            I’m always amazed by that type (cuz I’m the opposite). He would get monogamous with a chick like after a month or two.

            And as far as I know, he’s still the only one I know (from my age bracket) that is still with his HS sweetheart.

            Good on him.

            I am just not that guy.

          • willbest

            I have never spun plates. Basically, if I was dating a girl and somebody else caught my fancy or after a couple dates I didn’t feel it I would just bow out.

            Never disappeared for women either. A recall one valatine’s day when my friends were single and they wanted to go out, so I went out with them. Drunk called my girlfriend at 1:30am to wish her a happy valentines day. She tried to read me the riot act over the phone and I hung up on her. She apologized for yelling at me the next day and brought me over some soup to deal with my hangover. I ended up marrying her

          • Doc Nitty

            I am the type that would much rather be single than just be with someone.

            Plus, for now, we’re just balling buddies. It’s what we both want.

          • Sounds good, Nitty.

            But, I still say – pork a few more chicks. You’re a math guy – diversify.

            Or as Eddie Murphy sagely illustrates…Don’t settle for crackers.

        • MB is right.

          Everyone knows about “the rebound”. It’s when you’re the most vulnerable.

          It’s the same reason televangelist are on at 3am because maybe a dude is drunk and lonely, and suddenly, the pastor starts making sense. Preying on the vulnerable at a time of crisis.

          In short – bone a few more girls.

          • CanadaBear

            Sound advice Butch. Where were you when I needed ya?

    • CanadaBear

      Couldn’t possibly be happier for ya Doc! Pink isn’t just for Floyd!

      • Doc Nitty

        Thanks man.

        Did I mention she’s 29?


        • CanadaBear

          Now you’re starting to piss me off!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOO-FUCKIN’-HOO! Knock the bottom out of that for as long as you can!

          • Doc Nitty

            (and smokin’ hot!!! hee hee hee)

          • CanadaBear

            You deserve it my brother. You put up with a lot being a stand up guy for the family and then get kicked in the nuts for it. 29 and smokin’ hot, uh-oh! Keep on, keeping on!

          • Doc Nitty

        • willbest

          Careful with them late 20’s early 30’s gals. Their uterus is like a drum beat 24/7

          • Doc Nitty

            We’re both fixed! So we got that going for us too!


  • CanadaBear

    Just heard that if KW doesn’t make it back this year there are only two other WR’s taken in the first rd that have played fewer games their first two years (in league history). Sigh.

    • Is Watkins one of them? He seems inj prone too.

      Crazy thought – Diggs who was like a 4rth rounder has MASSIVELY outproduced White in his first two years. That’s with Teddy/Bradford at QB folks.

      • Johnnywad

        No shit Butch. He’s played 3-1/2 games. Dude you are seriously cherry picking lately.

        • Part of being a good player means durability.

          • Johnnywad

            It’s just a silly point. Would you trade White for Diggs even up today? I wouldn’t. Or how about Alshon for Diggs? They both have roughly 1100 yards since the 2015 season kicked off. So is Diggs is good as Alshon since he’s proven more durable in the last 20 games? No.

            White may go on to have a ten year hall of fame career. Or he may be hurt the rest of the way out. Nobody knows.

            But stating something like “Diggs has massively outproduced White in his first two years.”, when everybody is already aware White missed all of last year, and we’re just four games into this year, is pointless.

      • CanadaBear

        No, it was Johnny Rodgers and Nateal Green. Which doesn’t bode well for White. Sigh.

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