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Some More “Inside” Information on the Hiring of Matt Nagy

| January 11th, 2018

There’s a lot of information available about the hiring of Matt Nagy, with nobody writing a more detailed piece than Adam Jahns. But here’s some info that, until now, wasn’t available.

  • Chris Ballard and the Colts thought Nagy was going to be their next coach. Wanna know how close Ballard and Nagy are? Their kids are on the same youth sports teams in wherever-they-live Kansas City. These guys aren’t just colleagues. They are friends.
  • When Ryan Pace asked Nagy what he was thinking for the defensive side of the ball, Nagy responded that the team should do everything in their power to retain Vic Fangio. He supplied 5-6 other names he believed would be good choices but was effusively in favor of Fangio finishing what he started. The Bears were impressed.
  • Matt Nagy’s agent is former Bear Trace Armstrong. Armstrong’s rookie contract was negotiated by his agent, Tom Condon, and the Bears’ Ted Phillips. Phillips, Condon and Armstrong have maintained a close relationship for years. Phillips is a big reason that Nagy chose the Bears over the Colts. As I was told, Armstrong argued strongly to Nagy, “You NEED to be in Chicago. These guys are great.”
  • Nagy walking into the room with offensive line coach Harry Hiestand in his pocket was one of the most impressive moments of the entire interview process for the Bears. Hiestand is the best OL coach in the country. Bears knew that firsthand.

That’s all I got. Now Nagy will build the rest of his staff and away we go.

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  • Big Mike

    First.. nice bullet points jefe. Is today Fangio day?

    • DaBearsBlog

      I believe so. I was surprised it didn’t get done yesterday, honestly. But I don’t think the two sides are that far apart,

      • Big Mike

        I saw this chart on Twitter from PFF. Say what you will about their grading, it might be the best out there. I’m sure you’ve read about how they rate every player, on every play. Once in a while a single game score for a player doesn’t seem right. But over the course of the season, they are pretty spot on. https://twitter.com/PFF/status/950778207325904896/photo/1

        • DaBearsBlog

          I’ve been told by coaches their grading is way off.

          • Big Mike

            Without knowing play calls, assignments and so on it’s difficult. But is there something better if you’re not in the room? My opinion is it’s in the ball park.

          • DaBearsBlog

            No, you have to be in the room for a lot of positions, especially offensive line and secondary.

          • Big Mike

            Agreed. The OL grading is the worst. Even watching the film, you don’t know the line blocking scheme and you have to really grade the whole team. For example Whitehair had terrible grades from PFF for a few games. It didn’t take into account that he had Guards on both side of him that he had never lined up with. OL functions as a unit. Same with the Secondary. Amos is the perfect example. He’s always played better when the other safety was a veteran and/or a strong cover guy.

          • leftcoastdave

            Notice the two lowest scores were TEs Howard and Engram with the third TE drafted in the first round Njoku scoring only a 69? To me that shows both the value of the position today and its difficulty transitioning to play up with the big boys. How Fox brought Shaheen along, not to mention a slew of other players these last three years, is the story not told yet where John Fox should get all the credit in the world.

          • Big Mike

            I did and I agree.

        • Sactowns#1

          Taco Edge is an amazing name!

        • That Guy

          That grading is a joke. How on earth does Mahomes get a higher grade than Trubisky? Did Mahomes even take any snaps this season?

          • Big Mike

            Don’t throw out what the chart says because of one grade. Mahomes only played one game. So his stats are skewed terribly. It provides some excellent inside regarding how picks worked out. A 75 at QB, is worth a whole lot more than a 75 at RB or even an 80 at safety. Point is, Pace’s bet paid off as far as we can measure 1 year later.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nice.

  • That Guy

    As dysfunctional an organization as the Bears are, players past and present know what success as a Chicago Bear means. Armstrong being in our corner might have helped out a lot more than anything Pace said/did.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Armstrong was in the Bears corner because of Ted Phillips. Bears “dysfunction” is a product of Chicago media. Outside of Chicago, that perception does not exist.

      • Scharfinator

        #FAKENEWS

        • Big Mike

          It’s true. Bears aren’t cheap either. Another myth perpetuated among fans and to a lesser extent the Chicago Media.

          • Scharfinator

            I’m not saying Jeff is wrong, just being facetious.

          • Big Mike

            Thank goodness.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Like Sarcasm aropund, I strongly recommend labeling when being Facettious

      • BearDown100393

        So this is a Ted Phillips hire and not really Ryan Pace. It was in the can all along.

        Good reporting.

      • SC Dave

        It must be pretty cool to know what everybody thinks.

        • BearDown100393

          Sincerely hope such blanket defensive statements posted by the blog receive proper stipend.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yah, but it’s a burden, Dave. Y’know?

          (flexes bicep and inspects it in mirror)

      • That Guy

        My point was that guys who played here, especially in a “golden era” (of winning teams) know what a town Chicago is when the Bears are good, and how guys can make a career after football in the area banking on their name. Waddle is a great example of this.

        So I was guessing that Armstrong might have some words of wisdom for his clients that Chicago is a pretty good place to be successful.

        And the “dysfunction” I refer to is the reputation Chicago has going way back. Halas slinging nickels around like manhole covers, etc. I know and everyone knows that hasn’t been the case for decades. But the true “dysfunction” that is perceived elsewhere–and I live elsewhere, so I get this from people/media where I live–is that the Bears have sucked for a while, and it isn’t just bad luck causing it. And let’s be honest, going from Angelo to Emery, and Trestman to Fox, hasn’t exactly lit up the NFL. The “dysfunction” in the organization is people wondering if the Bears can overcome whatever it is that has kept them in the NFCN cellar for half a decade.

        So yeah, I think that is a minor thing that gets in the way for some people. Now, all you gotta do with prospective coaching candidates is take them out for dinner to Ditka’s and point out how his last season with the Bears was 25 years ago and he’s still coasting on that, and any coach who thinks he can be successful in Chicago should get the message.

  • BearDown100393

    Ted Phillips, Our Patron Savior

    So everyone is financially connected behind the scenes.

    Uh huh.

    • willbest

      There are probably less than 15,000 coaches and front office guys in professional and D1 colleges. It’s a small community.

      • BearDown100393

        If it works out, I don’t really care. I’m just a Bears fan who wants the team to win. The who, why and how regarding hires that get the job done is not my concern. However if it does not get the job done, yeah I’m the fan that will bitch long and loud and that begins and ends with Ted Phillips involved in any football operations.

        If that seems confusing to some here or negative “troll-ish”, I really do not care.

        Regarding Phillips, I’m reminded of the great Martin Sheen line: “I don’t go to sleep with no whore and I don’t wake up with no whore. That’s how I live with myself. I don’t know how you do it.”

        I have higher suspicion than ever before now about Ryan Pace. Because down the road he might just find out he was used like Bud Fox.

        And we all know what happened to him when the sh*t hit the fan.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          I don’t care who hires who. Can we not suck for a change?

          Charlie Sheen line: “I sleep with a whore and I wake up with a whore. That’s how I live with myself. I don’t know how you do it.”

          • BearDown100393

            Bud ended up broke, a rat and jailed.

            For Ted Phillips?

            No chance.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I was confusing Foxes. John Fox is rich.

          • BearDown100393

            For a hobo, John Fox did very well.

          • Irish Sweetness

            WINNING!

        • MoneyMitch10

          “I’m the type of fan who will bitch when things don’t go well. Until then I’m going to bitch about everything though” he says…..

          • BearDown100393

            I’m the type of fan who calls out bad organizational structure and interference.

            Ted Phillips is bad for Bears football. Period.

            And I will never budge off that opinion.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The (alleged) Sheen line is interesting. Sounds like a man who hasn’t denied banging a ho, just pointing out that he doesn’t sleep with them for eight hours :o)

          • BearDown100393

            Wall Street

      • John F

        There are WAY less than that, at least as far as coaches.

        There are what, 124 D1 programs that have football? Each college staff has a dozen (so let’s round to 1,500). There are 32 NFL teams with let’s say an average of 15 coaches (let’s round to 500).

        So a total of only 2,000 coaches period.

        • willbest

          I don’t know what college has, the Bears have 17-19 in a given year. Then they have about 8-9 manger level front office guys including people like George and Ted. And probably another 8 or so pro & college scouts. If that is dublicated at the college level you are talking about 5460 people currently employed, but then toss in a couple thousand more to account for temporary coaches that get pulled in for training camp, or those that aren’t currently working but have within the last 5 years. Next we move on to player agents and the like, there are going to be several hundred of those guys too.

          Regardless, when a community is that small, everybody is 2 degrees. Its not really interesting to know that Ted Philip’s golfs with Nagy’s agent.

  • Props to Jeff for nailing both the OL and OC hires yesterday. He was the first one to have those.

    • BearDown100393

      Well no he was not. Somebody else leaked that news to some one else who told Jeff.

      • Bear Instincts

        i see you are back to your old ways

        • BearDown100393

          I have not deviated from honest opinion or retailing another’s bullsh*t.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s Barb!

  • Bear Instincts

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/11/bears-hiring-mark-helfrich-as-offensive-coordinator/

    Bears hiring Mark Helfrich as offensive coordinator

    It is official. Shout out to Jeff. You are the man

    • BearDown100393

      Congratulations to Adam Jahns for doing the actual lifting.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      The Wild Wild West comes to the Midwest.

      • evantonio

        Gary Crowton 2.0!

      • leftcoastdave

        Wow. And just look at the pieces Pace has assembled with this in mind, starting with Trub who played spread, Tarik the Joker out of the backfield or in the slot and Adam Shaheen who will be a cover nightmare. This is a plan coming together nicely.

        • CanadaBear

          Pace has to stock the shelves at WR and TE, period. Sims is likely gone, Brown is just OK and despite how much you love Shaheen he had 12 receptions total. WR is just as bad. Two guys coming off IR and a bunch of 3, 4 or 5 WR’s.

    • Bear Instincts

      and with that Run-Run-Pass-Punt is laid to rest

      • willbest

        I am going to be deeply disappointed if RRPP isn’t the opening drive of the 2018 season, just to watch heads explode all over soldier field.

        • Scharfinator

          Lol

        • That Guy

          Let’s all remember the first (regular season) play of the Trestman regime was a fumbled shotgun snap.

      • SC Dave

        *sigh* That silly narrative refuses to die. Did you fail to read JW’s article on this?

        • Bear Instincts

          its my way of saying goodbye to the old guard

      • evantonio

        Here comes Pass-Pass-Pass-Run-Pass-Penalty-Pass-Run-Run-Pass-TD-Onside Kick-Run-Run-Run-Pass-Run-TD

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    “Chip Kelly wanted him as the OC at UCLA. Impressive recruiting job by Pace and Nagy to beat out Kelly.”

    Excluding Troy Aikman, UCLA is where quarterbacks train before they die in the NFL.

    (damn you Cade McNown)

    • SC Dave

      Really? What’s so impressive about beating out a college job with an NFL one?

      • evantonio

        I think it’s the fact that they had the working relationship before – Mark being Chip’s OC, then following his steps and being the HC for The O.

        But that’s just my thinking. It could be completely off-base.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        depends on the college (and which NFL team).

        I’m around people with a strong SEC bias, but Clemson should have laid that to shame.

        Bears >> UCLA

        Bears ? Clemson

        • Big Mike

          UCLA may be out of favor now, but it is one of the premier destinations. Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Texas, Miami and so on. In the south schools like Ol Miss are the top of the pile.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I can understand how prestige can change things. A lot of coaching candidates would pick UCLA over say Oklahoma though Oklahoma is going to have a better football team 7 or 8 out of 10 times.

          • That Guy

            Being an assistant at UCLA isn’t so much of a great situation. Traffic is awful and housing is worse. Assistant salaries mean practically living in poverty anywhere near Westwood.

            A pro position coach salary is likely about the same or even better, and the housing choices are much better. You can live better in the northern ‘burbs as a Bears position coach than you could as an OC in/around Westwood.

          • Big Mike

            UCLA OC made over $800k. Primed to become HC somewhere

          • That Guy

            My bad. I thought you were talking position coach at UCLA.

            I didn’t realize coordinators in the ncaa made that much. I thought I saw something recently that put their pay ranges sub-six figures.

          • Big Mike

            The position coaches are paying their dues. Just like the quality control coaches in the NFL. It’s basically a paid internship. Like being an intern, or junior resident in a hospital.

      • He knows Chip Kelly well and doesn’t know Nagy?

        He was also a top candidate for the Arizona job, but decided to take this.

      • Big Mike

        College coaching jobs at premier schools like UCLA are sometimes more sought after than the same position in the NFL. Depends on what coach’s goals are.

        • SC Dave

          I’m just saying I don’t consider it a “coup” or whatever to have someone take a job at the top of the profession instead of in the minor leagues.

          • Big Mike

            I get your point. But OC at a top school really isn’t minor leagues. Let’s take the win. Bears are a hot spot for top coaches and we’re getting the staff rounded out. 🙂

          • Bender McLugh

            BOOM! so far anyway

      • willbest

        A college job can offer more security.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah, probably does in many cases.

  • leftcoastdave
  • CanadaBear

    After reading some stats it’s pretty depressing. Last winning season was 6 years ago. The last 3 years combined they have averaged 18.5 pts/game, good for 30th over that span. Finished last in the NFCN for the last 4 years. Ugh. Hopefully Fangio stays and the D doesn’t regress.

    • Scharfinator

      Bummer, we suck.

      • CanadaBear

        Actually in a way it makes me happy because we don’t have Foxy/Lane around. Just hope the D doesn’t go to hell like the last time the Bears hired an offensive coach.

    • Bobby Douglass

      That’ll teach you to read stats.

      • CanadaBear

        What was I thinking?

        • Bender McLugh

          lol

  • Sactowns#1

    Well I’m glad we dodged the London bullet. Have fun over there GB.

    • willbest

      We also dodge the hard knocks bullet owing to having a new HC

    • CanadaBear

      GB isn’t going. The games are listed here.

      NFL announces three enticing London 2018 matchups

      The NFL’s 2018 London slate includes three playoff teams, a perennial contender, and two potential risers next season.

      The league announced the matchups, locations and potential dates for its U.K. series Thursday.

      Seattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, Tottenham stadium, Oct. 14.

      Philadelphia Eagles vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

      Tennessee Titans vs. Los Angeles Chargers, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

      • That Guy

        That will be brutal for the west coast teams. At least Seattle and Oakland will be equally jet-lagged.

      • willbest

        I think I have seen 2 London games my whole life

        • CanadaBear

          The ones I’ve seen were almost always terrible. Gotta admit, I like watching the NFL at 6:30 AM. Needless to say I’m a morning person.

      • 3 west coast teams. That’s like a 10 hour time change. Brutal.

        • BearDown100393

          I’d hate to be stuck on a plane for over 10 hrs with Jon Gruden.

  • That Guy

    Mannelly has good things to say about Tabor. Kreutz gushes about Hiestand. Veterans like that know good coaching.

  • That Guy

    Yes, after another losing season it’s a little sad to get riled up over a new coaching staff.

    But it’s like Trubisky himself. You see the potential there, and you’re suddenly very optimistic about the future.

    So far, so good. If the Bears can’t be playing in January, I’ll take good coaching hires that will change things up and play to the team’s strengths.

    • leftcoastdave

      Today and tomorrow matter much more than yesterday.

  • SC Dave

    A little factoid on Leno:

    “After signing a four-year contract extension before the season, the left tackle didn’t miss a snap all season and is nearing 3,000 consecutive snaps, dating to 2015.”

    Availability is an important ability.

    • willbest

      Leno is the unsung hero of the offense.

      • SC Dave

        The 246th player chosen in 2014, Leno has quietly become a steady presence at LT. After being rewarded with $21.5M guaranteed and $38M overall for four years, he said

        “I worked for everything I got. I have now, and I’m going to continue to work. I’m never going to stop.”

        Certainly looks like he intends to stick to his word.

        Edit: A good summary of him I just read by some dude named Perez on BearsWire. Emphasis is mine.

        “Leno won’t be confused with the NFL’s elite left tackles anytime soon, but he’s proven to be a serviceable starter at a premium position. Those guys are hard to find.”

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          What a swing. Almost undrafted to generational wealth.

          I know a kid that was a RB at Northwestern. Barely snuck into the back end of he draft with the Steelers. Bounced around to like five teams in four seasons. Actually got a start or two with GB due to multiple injuries. After his second season, it was clear he didn’t have the juice to stick. His goal became to hang on in the league long enough to earn the pension. He managed to do it. I thought that was pretty cool. He worked his balls off for that.

          Since went back, got his MBA and is killing it. Smart dude.

          • CanadaBear

            Love to read those stories.

          • Noah Herron! Go Cats!

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Yessir. Childhood friend of my little brother.

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  • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

    Wonder where the Guard from ND is gonna go in the draft. I’d normally not advocate for spending the 8th pick on a Guard. Hiestand certainly should be able to shed some light on just how good he is. Kid looks like a monster.

    • willbest

      I know Guard is a position we need to address sooner rather than later what with Sitton being 32 at the start of the season (and on the last year of his contract) and Long’s body turning into goo. But if we are looking at landing the 1st or 2nd best pass rusher on the board, we got to take him.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        Can’t argue.

      • leftcoastdave

        We’ve still got Morgan on ice and others have developed through the season. My thinking remains that we take top Edge for the most impact while still ever hoping for that trade down offer where good Edge and OT talent will remain through the first half of the second round.

      • Bear Instincts

        At the moment the best EDGE looks like Chubb or Key. Honestly no point in putting off the inevitable. Address it now and get it over with. Take the Guard if you trust Pace to find talent in the later rounds

        • leftcoastdave

          With the O going more spread and Hiestand knowing both ND O linemen, it will be interesting to see which, if either, get picked. There is something to be said for knowing everything you can about that first round pick and how he will fit into yoru scheme.

          • Bear Instincts

            That’s the same line of thinking I was going with. Then I thought about Pace always wanting to outsmart everybody. He will address all so called obvious “needs” so he can be free to pick he player he wants. Taking the ND O linemen is too obvious.

      • SC Dave

        I wonder about Kush. He looked pretty good when he spelled Long in 2016 from what I remember.

    • I can’t go OG in the 1st (unless it’s late).

      That’s part of the reason I didn’t initially like the Long pick.

      That draft is a perfect example of OG draft philo.

      In that draft I liked Larry Warford.

      Long was seen as a higher “upside” guy, but I thought Warford would end up being a good OG.

      As we all know, Long went in the first.

      Warford in the 3rd.

      To this day (factoring INJs), I don’t know exactly who was the better OG.

      But it seems like given draft position, Warford ended up being the much better value.

      Then you think about how guys like Slausen or Kush (Morgan?) can look better than Long, and that makes me hesitant on pulling the trigger on an OG early.

      Everyone points to the Cowboys Oline, but how did that work out for them this yr?

      And that’s not even accounting for busts like Johathan Cooper (7th overall).

      Just think there’s better value and needs at other positions like rush, cb , wr or OT.

      • BerwynBomber

        WAS selected Schreff (OG) with the #5 pick overall a couple of years ago and that has worked out fine.

        But we need a WR above everything else.

        • Scherff originally was drafted to be an OT though, if I remember correctly.

          OTs are better values than OGs.

          What tends to happens is teams start off OTs at OGs, or they can’t handle the OT then move them to OG.

          I have no issue with drafting an OT high.

          But OG? Nah.

          Just draft some OG from Wisc in the mid rds and call it a day.

          • leftcoastdave

            Whether Nelson (G) or McGlinchey (OT), good having their line coach on board to advise. Personally, I’d think McGlinchey would be the choice, but Edge remains possibly the biggest impact player we could get. I guess this will tell us much about the possible change of priority to the O side of the ball.

          • SC Dave

            McGlinchey, through no fault of his own, sounds too much like Glitchy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How is a guard less important though? There are no unimportant spots on an OL.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

        I think I’m there too. I’d probably lean toward a pass rusher as Will said earlier. I could get behind OT. Not sure I’d want a receiver that high, though if what appears to be the next Calvin Johnson is sitting there……..

        Receiver is the biggest hole in the roster. But those can be had a round or two later. If Fuller stays, I really think you shift your focus to OLB. One could certainly make a case for OT, but I think the OL is decent. And the D overall, is verging on top 5 or 6 with another threat on the edge.

        Ok. I’ve settled it. Let’s get ourselves a pass rusher.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ve seen him mocked at 3.

  • FresnoBear88

    “You need to be in Chicago. These guys are great” what a fuckin load of bullshit. Chicago where coaching careers die.

    Good luck to Nagy but cmon this guy hasn’t even had one practice with the Bears yet and a lot of you guys are crowning him as the savior of all coaches. Slow down on the kool aid.

    • WP4Life

      I prefer the Koolaid to the alternative; Sucks to be a downer YEAR round.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      It’s a good hire. Makes sense. He should help the Bears win more games. That’s enough to get excited about as a fan.

      I don’t see anybody projecting win counts or playoffs below. Might as well enjoy what appears to be a series of decisions that make sense from lots of angles.

      So far so good.

      • evantonio

        I may have predicted 57-0 over the next 3 seasons in one of the previous threads.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Stop getting Fres all whipped up. He can’t take this shit anymore. People all jumping on coaches nutsacks and what not.

        • John F

          That could be slightly over optimistic …………

          • evantonio

            56-1?

    • That Guy

      This is the exact wrong attitude.

      So far, the coaching hires have all been, ostensibly, good hires. They make sense. They’re not re-treads. They’re largely considered really, really good coaches.

      That means diddly-squat right now, and without talent in pads.

      But it’s a damned sight better than the alternative–guys whose hiring elicits head-scratching, shrugs, or outright anger.

      Maybe it’s damning with faint praise because a guy isn’t tripping over his own shoelaces when filling out his staff, but this is light years away from Mel Tucker or Martz or Tice.

      So we’re not fucked out of the gate. It’s promising. That’ll keep me warm until the draft.

      • John F

        I seem to remember the offense being pretty good when Martz was here.

    • BearDown100393

      I wish Nagy all the best and sincerely hope Ted Phillips made a great hire.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)
    • leftcoastdave

      Like Trubisky, Nagy was the best available with a track record of both play calling and QB development. What is not to like? Do you suggest hiring a retread? Add Helfrich into the mix and you see what the long term plan always was and begin to credit Fox with the young players he has developed to produce a solid core which includes a top ten defense with great depth in the D line as well as a great young QB and a troika of young weapons in Shaheen, Cohen and Howard. This without even mentioning a solid stable of O linemen.

      The team was a hollow shell three years ago. Now it is deep and very talented at key positions.

      What is not to like?

      • CanadaBear

        You’re really projecting when it comes to Shaheen. I hope you’re right but he still is a long way from being a real weapon.

        • leftcoastdave

          Remember when Fox sat Bullard late last year? It is tough on young bodies to transition into playing in the NFL trenches. Earlier someone posted the ratings of the first round draft picks from last year. There were 3 TEs taken in the first round and two had the lowest performance ratings of all first round picks. The third was 69 on a 100 scale. That was presumably the three best in the draft last year so yea, Fox brought him along slowly with the blocking and we will see how he gets utilized next year with that year of experience and the advantage of being placed outside in a spread formation.

    • It’s ok to be excited. It’s like telling your 4 times divorced friend not to marry again.
      What are ya gonna say, “don’t fall in love again?” or “stop being an idiot?”

      I tend to look at things as “what’s the alternative?”

      I feel that’s the most pragmatic and objective way of analyzing a team (this is also why I’m probably good at FF. Tigerblood! ).

      Like for instance, I wasn’t a yuge Alshon fan, but what was the alternative?
      As we painfully found out, not much.
      As such, I was all for giving him a ‘reasonable’ extension (pretty much what the Eagle’s paid)

      So I’m looking at all these hires in the same way.

      Hired Nagy.

      Ok. What were the alternatives?

      Harbs, Shaw and Gruden were off the table.

      Everyone else had as many cons as Nagy.

      I wanted Flip, but the con is he was merely a QB coach. That’s a big leap.
      Shurmur while more proven can be seen as another recycled coach.
      McDaniels is a douche who didn’t just flame out in Denver, but did so in spectacular fashion.
      Wilks, and Toub weren’t offensive minded, and are we REALLY going to go down the Lovie “i hope he hires a great OC” road?

      Etc etc

      Nagy has enough pros to excite a fan. Does he have cons? naturally. But IMO no more than the other options, and maybe even less depending on what you prioritize in an HC (leadership, intelligence, network…)

      I view the rest of the coaching hires through the same prism.

      The OC coach was always going to be 2ndary. Nagy is calling the shots there. He basically just needs his Sanchez to help him, and he ended up with a young innovative option.

      What’s the alternative? Some recycled has been like Turner or Childress?
      Fuck that.

      He got by all accounts a top Oline coach (and who the fuck knows about Oline coaches anyways? The NFL keeps trying to convince us Tice is good).

      RB coach, same deal. I don’t think there’s much coaching there. That’s why rooks like Zeke or Kamara can come into the league and blow up day 1.

      Sp teams guy seems ok. Of course, I would’ve LOVED Toub there, but outside his name, is there a superstar SP teams coach? I don’t know of one.

      The DC will be the next big hire, but by all accounts Nagy wants to lock up Fangio who, again, given the alternatives, seems to be the best option.

      So while I understand the Bears have broken our hearts with DUMBASS decisions in the past. these decisions seem valid, and some may even argue, bold and correct.

      That remains to be seen but at least they’re rational.

      Well, at least more rational then drafting a guy cuz he jumps out of a pool, or hiring some pedo looking dude from the CFL.

      So color me – semi-excited?

      Half-chub?

      I’ll take what I can get.

      • BearDown100393

        I hope the Bears hired 1st Half Nagy instead of the 2nd Half version.

        • I hope so too, but almost every coach gets outwitted from time to time, playoffs or not.

          Both McVay and Wade, elite minds IMO, were outcoached by ATL (and as we all know, ATL was outcoached by the pats)

          Shit like that happens.

          Like Nagy said, – just learn from it.

          Hopefully it’s not habitual and makes him hungrier.

          I actually prefer coaches and FAs who haven’t won a SB because I think that gives them a chip and keeps them from being complacent.

        • John F

          Titans played 8 in the box with man-to-man and single-high safety, so KC had to check to passing play (that’s why so few runs in the 2nd half) and their receivers couldn’t get open. The way to beat that defense is to have a stud TE – KC’s got concussed in the 1st half.

          Don’t discount how good these NFL DC’s are, you lose one or two key guys, it is VERY easy to defend any NFL offense.

          • Yup, even that Saints high flying O.

            In season, Kamara got concussed early, and their O totally stalled.

            You could tell their plan going into the week was Kamara-centric, and when he went down, they had to figure out something else quick.

          • John F

            When Brady lost Edelman and Gronk, he looked veeeeeeeeeery ordinary.

      • CanadaBear

        Same here. Cautiously optimistic.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It’s more the distress the blog is feeling because Fangio might be leaving that amuses me. It’s like the Stepford Wives just poured into the blog.

  • willbest
    • AlbertInTucson

      Ditto.

      It does, however, give special meaning to the phrase, “Getting tanked”.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s not a tank.

      • willbest

        You can’t use the phrase “That’s not a ….” without pulling out a real one from your back pocket.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Anything with a gun would do!

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Two people close to the situation have told me the Bears are frustrated with Vic Fangio & his camp. Belief is he still has eyes for other potential gigs. There’s a “shit or get off the pot” vibe.”

    He doesn’t want to be here.

    Wondering if the Bears should move on. Let’s say he ultimately acquiesces. What do you think his commitment will be.

    This is starting to smell of co-dependency. Fangio’s good. He ain’t Belichick.

    • BearDown100393

      I guess Vic’s agent is neither a former Bear or Ted Phillips’ golf buddy.

      • BerwynBomber

        I like Fangio. He’s a damn good DC. It would suck losing him.

        But I’d seriously question the ultimate benefit of keeping someone who doesn’t want to be here. Fangio would obviously prefer to be elsewhere.

        • BearDown100393

          Vic gone full samurai now.

          I really do not have anything against his work – he did produce the EIGHTH!!! best defense in the NFL this year.

          But in all seriousness….. since all us DIE HARD TRUE BEARS FANS know (& defend to our deaths) that the McCaskeys are NOT CHEAP, what gives on getting a deal done?

          How far can apart can the numbers really be?

          This has now entered “weird” stage. Don’t ruin the good vibe this week bringing aboard Matt Nagy.

          GIve Vic a final number and a deadline.

          If he calls and accepts by that time, we got a DC.

          If he does not, we go get someone else.

          Just not Mel Tucker.

          • Bear Instincts

            He is looking for a HC position or hoping to get more money from McCaskeys another team by playing them out bid each other

          • I get the feeling the Bears are his fallback plan.

            He might be eyeing one of those playoff teams, esp the Pats.

            Like I said, don’t call it the 2nd city for nothing…

        • Which begs the question I brought up in a previous thread:

          WTF is repelling quality coaches and FAs from the organization?

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, on the flip side Nagy apparently chose us over Indy.

            So … Bisky>Luck
            McCaskey>Irsay
            Bears>Colts

            I’m betting Fangio is, to some degree, informed by his pride. He is dealing with being a lifer DC. He was passed over for a 38 year old with one year of coordinating experience. Now he has to report to said 38 year old?

            People leave jobs all the time once they’ve been passed over for promotions.

          • Yeah, but it’s not like Fangio didn’t see it coming.

            From most accounts, he didn’t want the interrim HC job last yr.

            And even me from my couch predicted he wasn’t getting an HC job, so I’m sure his agent told him he’s not becoming an HC.

            If his pride wants to make him run away again like he did from the 9ers, fine.

            However, supposedly McDaniels wasn’t all that thrilled about joining the Bears either, and probably just gave a courtesy interview.

            No matter what anyone thinks, him and Gruden were probably considered the top of the HC class (in theory).

            Nagy over Colts does assure me, somewhat.

            But…

            Luck’s shoulder might be shot
            Who’s their GM again?
            Drunk owner < clueless McCaskey

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Didn’t we just hire some quality coaches?

          • John F

            Continuous losing for the last 25 years, dysfunctional ownership, unstable management.

            Isn’t that enough?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            The 06 Super Bowl never happened.

          • John F

            That was a mirage, we were the healthiest team in the NFC that year. The annual faceplants afterwards were proof enough of Lovie/Angelo’s abilities.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I know the last five years has been particularly bad. But the Bears played in two of the last eleven NFC Championship Games. Yes, cherry picking a bit, but this ain’t the Browns.

          • John F

            Well, they are in the bottom third in terms of winning percentage since the 1970 merger (.487). That includes the 1977 and 1979 wild card seasons and Ditka’s .620 winning percentage.

            So, yeah, we have been pretty bad the last 25 years.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I’m aware. But you diminish your point with bias by completely ignoring ANY bright spots along the way.

            Hasn’t been good. But it hasn’t ALL been bad either. Shit. We fired a 10-6 coach.

          • John F

            We extended Lovie when I knew in 2007 that he was an idiot. He should have been let go after his first contract was up – Angelo also.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            You shouldn’t have done that.

          • SC Dave

            Those statements are much clearer an indication of an idiot than anything Lovie said or did.

            Just sayin’.

          • John F

            Yeah, sticking with Grossman WAY beyond his “sell by date”, running off Chico, firing Martz after Cutler had two of his most productive years ever, insisting that Hester was a receiver, wasting the best defense we had since the 80’s.

            Sorry, you are right, we should have given Lovie a lifetime contract.

          • leftcoastdave

            Lovie did all that on his own?

          • John F

            I guess it’s a matter of perspective. Anyone who is younger than 40 probably thinks he was great, anyone older probably realizes his severe shortcomings.

          • WP4Life

            IMO: Chicago pays up (probably pays too much) for guys but tends to be late to the party. This is unattractive. The late 1980’s is last time Da Bears was a hotspot.

          • SC Dave

            “WTF is repelling quality coaches and FAs from the organization?”

            Losing

          • And who is ultimately responsible for the losing?

          • leftcoastdave

            Or maybe it is the climate? That includes the dysfunctional state and local governments and the all powerful teacher’s union, as well as the high taxes being taken from those high salaries which are no longer subsidized by the Federal Government through a tax deduction.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          Yeah. He’s done a nice job. But I’m with you regarding his reticence to sign.

          Not saying I’d rescind any offers I guess, but if he ends up signing, I’m going to be wondering just how “in” he is.

          The Bears May be better off to head another direction if they had a “1A” in mind as DC.

  • Bear Instincts

    https://www.winknews.com/2018/01/10/bear-injures-man-outside-naples-home-neighbors-alert/
    A Bear mauls a Packer fan…is this the influence of Coach Nagy?

  • So what’s plan 1A?

    Gus Bradley?

    What other DCs are still out there?

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      I thought Bradley re-upped with the Chargers.

      I’d be looking to snag a hungry, 40 year old, LB or DL coach from a Jags or Vikings or Steelers if Fangio walks.

      Let’s just keep rolling with the youth movement.

      • That’s the thing. Gamble on TWO young coaches?

        Be a bit of a departure from the Wade “just handle the D, I’ll do my thing” blueprint, but doesn’t mean an all youth movement can’t work.

        If we do indeed get a young DC, Bears would be one of the youngest teams out there in regards to coaches and gm.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think there’s a reason all those startups run by kids don’t work … and I don’t want it happening on my Bears. Nagy is a dice roll. Don’t make the DC a dice roll.

          Find a coach that embraces and demands violence and maiming.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Looking to snag that older, more experienced man, eh Johnny? Who isn’t?

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          LOL

    • BerwynBomber

      I believe LAC is retaining Bradley.

      Nagy seems to be plucking the college ranks. Greg Schiano?

      • Ah, fuck, Schiano – wasn’t that the dude who coached his players to dive at the knees during victory formations?

        • John F

          Hey, PLAY TO THE WHISTLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • That was the first time I actually saw players embarrassed WHILE playing.

            Man, seeing them try to shake hands afterwards with the other team right after was…[gay voice] awkwaaard

          • Irish Sweetness

            You can say ‘queer voice’ now.

            (Hey, we get a word back and I’m gonna let people know ai’ight?)

        • Irish Sweetness

          Low man wins. I like it.

    • John F

      I have heard James Bettcher from Arizona mentioned ……

    • Irish Sweetness

      ABF.

  • willbest

    Troll of the day award goes to Peter Thiel who has placed a bid in to buy gwaker.

  • BearDown100393

    “You keep negotiating. Fangio is entitled to the highest $ total a team is willing to pay him.”

    This isn’t about money.

  • CaponeBot 1.0

    Florio reporting that Bears considering not using a D Coordinator in 2018, will make up for it by removing all white players from the defense and those considered “hard working, coachable players with heart”.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      (Chris Prosinski quietly dials his uncle at the car dealership from the corner of the weight room)

      • Scharfinator

        I dunno, maybe we keep the Polish sounding dudes.

        Prosinkia, Kwiaticowskieieieie

      • Irish Sweetness

        “Chris? … Yah …. you got a tie? ….no, the elastic band type are fine ….”

  • leftcoastdave

    BIGGEST QUESTION OF THE DAY:
    Will Harry Hiestand, a great O line coach and Mike Helfrich, Grassu’s former coach, be able to get Grassu to quit wearing roller skates on game day?

    • CaponeBot 1.0

      Grassu is not a pro caliber lineman.

      • leftcoastdave

        Certainly not good when on his heels, or butt.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yet ….

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

      I doubt it. At first, I just thought he must be small. But he’s 6’3” and 298. He’s within an inch and ten pounds of Cody Whitehair. Now both Sitton and Long go about 320.

      So maybe if he could pack on 20 pounds. But I think they’ve already tried that. I think he’s just a good, college spread offense Center. I haven’t seen anything on the field to indicate he’s ready to block NFL tackles.

      • John F

        I really think it’s a technique issue. We will find out soon enough – Hiestand is the best there is, if he can’t fix him, he can’t be fixed.

        • Bear Instincts

          someone on here said he is not able to put on anymore weight. he is maxed out

          • John F

            298lbs is enough to be an NFL center

          • his knee gave out already after he put on mass.

            Unless he gets a Samoan lower body transplant, he’s maxed out.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

          I agree regarding Hiestand.

          But I don’t think the kid can play with the leg drive and pad level required. He’s constantly getting stood up, driven backwards, and run over. I’d not hold my breath waiting on him to show up.

          • Exactly.

            The thing is, Grasu is not just meh – but he’s been getting BLOWN up, literally driven into the dirt on his ass, since day 1

            If Hiestand turns him around it’ll be the greatest miracle since walking on water.

      • CanadaBear

        He’s as blown up as he can get. His base is small for his size, just the way he’s built. If Grasu is starting next year the Bears will be in for a long season. Webb-Nation, Mid-line!

        • He’s as bad as Webb, but at least Webb had the decency of not being drafted in the 3rd.

          A blown Pace pick esp with who was still on the board.

    • Nope.

    • BearDown100393

      Cut him
      Cut him now

    • Irish Sweetness

      Absolutely. Harry gets him to be who he is. A WCO Center. Plays the position he was drafted to.
      His technique sucks? That can be fixed. Whitehair goes back to Guard and plays the position he was drafted to.

  • CaponeBot 1.0

    If Fangio is not signed by tomorrow the Bears need to move on.

    • BearDown100393

      Make a final offer with a deadline.

      After that pull of the table

  • Bear Instincts

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/11/tom-brady-its-about-execution-not-experience-or-youth/
    Tom Brady: It’s about execution, not experience or youth

    “I think it just comes down to how well you play,” Brady said. “At the end of the day, it’s not about old guys are going to win or young guys are going to win, the home team, the road team. It’s really going to
    come down to execution. No one’s going to be able to do it for you. You’re out there, you’re in the position to succeed. Your coaches have put a lot on you. The team’s really relying on you. You’ve got to go out
    there and make the plays. You’ve got to make the tackles, you’ve got to make the throws, the catches, the blocks, the runs, whatever it takes. Whoever does that better is going to win the game over the course of 60
    minutes. Again, all these plays matter, so we’ve got to go out there and make sure every one counts.”

    spoke like the G.O.A.T. he is…hard to hate on the guy

    • BearDown100393

      You’ve got to deflate them footballs…..

      • John F

        And wear an earpiece in your helmet that isn’t on the NFL frequency

    • BerwynBomber

      “hard to hate on the guy”

      I find it incredibly easy.

      Belichick, OTOH, is the tough one for me. Too much respect for the grumpy, little hooded gnome. I’m even impressed how he comes in this latest Pats controversy.

  • ButtonShoes

    Fangio reeeeallly doesn’t want to be here. The Bears need to let him go and move on. You kept the cheese from landing him. Now go find a DC.

    • Sactowns#1

      Or he realllllly doesn’t want to miss out on a potential HC job.

      • ButtonShoes

        Regardless, he doesn’t want to be in Chicago. So let him go.

  • Sactowns#1

    My off season dream
    FA signings
    Ed Dickson TE – 4 years, $20 mil
    Ezekial Ansah DL- 2 year $17 mil
    Marquis Lee WR- 2 year $12 mil
    Seabass K – 1 year $2.5 mil
    Draft
    OT
    LB
    WR
    WR
    DB

    • Ansah will be quite the snag, which means we”ll sign Dwight Freeney, Frostee Rucker and some other inj prone edge guy.

  • CanadaBear
    • AlbertInTucson

      I listen to a podcast, Steve Czaban, based in D.C.

      Czabe thinks, and has always advocated, that the Redskins SHOULD re-sign Kirk Cousins but won’t now, mainly because Cousins doesn’t really want to be there anymore.

      Tagging Cousins for an unprecedented 3rd time would cost them $34 million.

      The ‘Skins wideouts aren’t really much of an improvement on the Bears’ crop. Terrelle Pryor was an absolute FA bust and first rounder, Josh Doctson, couldn’t get on the field for the longest time and has been a disappointment when he HAS played.

      Jordan Reed is a stud receiving TE but, he is injury-plagued.

      If I’m the QB-challenged Cardinals, I’d be VERY interested in either Cousins OR Alex Smith to team with my good defense and the returning, David Johnson. Not to mention giving Larry Fitzgerald another good reason to return for 2018.

      Gotta figure Denver would be happy with Cousins or Smith to go with THEIR defense.
      .

      • Donkeys are ready to roll.

        Still got pieces on D.
        And they have weapons on O. D. Thomas is solid. Emmanuel Sanders is severely underrated.

        Their Oline and HBs can be improved, but they’re close. Only a few yrs removed from bakc to back SBs.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Think they go anywhere with the QBs they have?

          • No way. My step dad is a Broncos fan, so I try to watch the games with him, and those QBs are just substandard.

            They need Cousins. Think that would be a good match. They have WRs who can get YAC, and that would play to Cousin’s strength.

            Alex Smith would be my 2nd choice there (and only 2nd due to his age).

            Eli…uhm, dunno.

            Not only is he old, but a TO machine. But he won’t be asked to do as much over there.

            I would rather draft a guy like Mayfield or Rudolph before the Eli option. Of course, might be able to do both.

            Get Eli, trade up for Mayfield/Rudolph.

            If Eli begins slipping, insert rook.

            The other guy who would be a cheaper version is Tyrod Taylor – a sorta more mobile version of Hoyer.

          • leftcoastdave

            And the ViQueen have two or three of their QBs hitting FA?
            Bridgewater and Case Keenum for sure.

          • Yes, but the logic there is if Keenum bolts, he goes with Shurmur.

            Though who knows.

            Bridgewater almost lost his leg. Will he be viable?
            Bradford was supposedly contemplating retirement.

            The Vikes situation is kinda crazy.

            They could conceivable go from 3 QBs to NO QBs.

            Be just their luck.

          • BerwynBomber

            My bet is they keep Bridgewater and let Keenum and Bradford walk (unless Keenum wins the SB and forces their hand).

            Bridgewater/Zimmer have some strange Brady/Kraft love going on. Spielman would be smart to toss some cold water on it but I don’t think it happens.

            Regardless, Vikes should seriously consider a Mayfield or Rudolph if one of them drops to the bottom of the first round.

          • Yeah, it’s such a unique situation. I don’t recall one quite like it.

            Keenum was TUURIBLE last yr. Glennon-esque. His QBR hovered in the 30s before this yr

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15168/case-keenum

            This yr, it’s in the 70s.

            So do the Queens hand him a $100M contract based on not sucking 1/5 yrs?

            The more likely move would be to franchise him and make him prove it again, though that might create a Cousins like resentment.

            This would also mean they can Bridgewater and Bradford.

            Bridgewater’s knee – who knows? He pretty much suffered the same brutal inj Zach Miller suffered and is lucky to have a leg or walk again.

            How confident are the Queens on that?

            Bradford has been a china doll, and contemplated retirement. But he looked GREAT b4 he was inj. And I think he had the highest comp % ever last yr.

            I think a lot will depend on how Keenum performs in the playoffs.

            I get the sense that Zimmer keeps expecting him to turn into a pumpkin, but he keeps dancing past midnight.

    • SC Dave

      That list, I’d be interested in Anzah or Norwell.

  • Malice Halice

    Hope u guys been doing good! Haven’t checked in wit da bros in a minute. I can’t make a single complaint with the moves we making as of now. We mean business! This Fangio-gate is a bum but I never cared for him anyway. Can’t wait till the draft.

  • willbest

    “Just let it go, @nflcommish. They’re giving Jon Gruden $100 million. That’s penalty enough.” – Jeff

    Pretty much.

    • EnderWiggin

      I sort of lean toward this Raiders ordeal to be a special(or original) case. They had one guy targeted all along. My guess is both parties have known for months.
      If you are going to do a conventional search, then yeah, your interviews should probably be diverse. If you already know who you are getting and/or they shook behind doors already, then you are just insulting everyone else you interview.

      • willbest

        If I were designing the league, I wouldn’t have the rule. However, its there for all teams so it should be followed. Gruden is special, okay, maybe. But who isn’t special? Hoodie would be if he walks in a huff after this season. Payton? Harbaugh? And would Harbaugh be an exception for Chicago only? Its too complicated. Just follow the rules.

        That being said, I don’t think it should be a serious hit. I mean lets not talk about losing day 1 or 2 draft picks over this.

        I also think if they are honest with the minority coaches they ask and the coaches decline, I think that would satisfy the rule. Something like “Look, we are going to hire gruden, but we think you are ready, and if you put a proposal together for us we will give you feedback”

        If the coaches decline, then so be it. Of course, as mentioned below that would be foolish. The Raiders GM probably plays Squash with the 9ers GM so if you wow him, he will mention it in passing. As we noted below its a small community.

        • SC Dave

          “That being said, I don’t think it should be a serious hit. I mean lets not talk about losing day 1 or 2 draft picks over this.”

          Oh no, fuck that. Those two picks should both go to the Bears.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I got to agree. Fuck em up royally.take draft picks, give them fines, and make them stay in Oakland for at least 3 more years.

    • BearDown100393

      No it is not.

      • willbest

        Gruden is not Hoodie. Paying him $100 million is ridiculous.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Mark Davis’ hair. That’s ridiculous.

          You reach a certain level of rich and people stop laughing.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Phillips is a big reason that Nagy chose the Bears over the Colts. ”

    “…. Nagy responded that the team should do everything in their power to retain Vic Fangio.”

    This guy is in my shithouse already and he hasn’t even done anything yet.

    • Nagy also kicked Jim McMahon in the nads with his Air Lebrons whilst eating a hot dog with ketchup on it!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ketchup and mustard. And Mayo. It’s a thing.

        • BuddhaJoe

          Mayo? You’re a monster.

          • SC Dave

            I think he meant Tayo. You know, and in Fabuluje?

        • CaponeBot 1.0

          Irish goddamnit

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