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Across The Middle: Call to McDaniels Had To Be Made

| January 3rd, 2018

I don’t know if Josh McDaniels has learned from his failures in Denver, but I’m glad Ryan Pace intends to find out. We can sit back and debate the qualifications of all the other candidates, but there’s no questioning what McDaniels has done. The 41-year-old offensive coordinator…

  • Has five Super Bowl rings.
  • Has coached nine offenses that have finished in the top 10 in scoring and seven that have taken top 10 spots in yardage.
  • Has won at least one game with six different quarterbacks, including an 11-5 campaign with Matt Cassell.
  • Has has been credited with developing young quarterbacks (who were later traded for draft picks) in Cassel, Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett.
  • In New England’s 2017 Super Bowl run, they averaged 34.6 points per game. They scored 28 points against the best defense in the league to win the 2015 Super Bowl.

You name it, he’s done it. He’s the one guy every team with an opening has to interview.

Part of the argument against McDaniels is the New England factor with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. But it works both ways. In eight seasons with McDaniels as the offensive coordinator, Brady has averaged 33 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. In eight seasons without him, he has thrown an average of 5 fewer touchdowns and 4 more interceptions.

The same can be true about his time with Belichick. In seasons in which McDaniels has been the offensive coordinator, the Patriots have averaged 14.25 wins, never winning fewer than 11 games — and that came with Cassel at quarterback.

But it isn’t just that McDaniels failed in Denver. It’s how he failed. It was 100 percent because of his ego.

McDaniels was walking into a great situation. A team with strong ownership handed him the keys to a franchise with studs everywhere on offense. He messed it up.

I’ll never forget Peter King writing in his Monday Morning Quarterback column that McDaniels was the next Belichick with Kyle Orton (yes, Kyle Fricking Orton) as his Tom Brady when Denver started 6-0 in McDaniels’ first year. They won just 5 of their next 22 games before he was fired.

Making matters worse, McDaniels made one of the worst draft picks in the history of the league when he spent a first round draft pick on a quarterback who can’t throw. There’s no question I wouldn’t want McDaniels running the organization. Nobody should want him picking the franchise quarterback because using a first round pick on Tim Tebow is an unforgivable mistake.

But, does anybody question if the guy can coach? That’s what the Bears are looking for. I have no idea if McDaniels would be interested in a job in which he doesn’t have complete control, but it doesn’t hurt to ask.

McDaniels is going to get another head job at some point. If his ego has dwindled, he just might be great. I don’t know if that’s the case, neither do you and neither does Pace. But I’m glad Pace is going to find out because there is no better candidate on paper.

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  • EnderWiggin

    I’m not the First person to say that this isn’t going to happen. I agree though – doesn’t hurt talking to the guy.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Bob Quinn, former Patriot personnel & scouting guy, is the GM in Detroit.

  • Aaron T. Starks

    Yes, on paper he’s obviously the most qualified. But I love what DiFilippo has done with Carson Wentz. And helping Trubisky become an elite QB should be this organization’s #1 priority.

    • Irish Sweetness

      How is he “obviously” the most qualified. Gruden has won a SB as a HC. McTard has not. In fact, all he’s done is to show he’s not an intelligent man capable of leading men.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Is it possible that Wentz had such a good year because he’s, you know, really good? Could it be that he worked his ass off and got a lot better this year ? No, it’s the quarterback coach. He did it all. 100 % the QB coach, and the offensive coordinator. Nothing to do with the player at all.

      • John Lynch

        ugh…..it’s obviously a combination of both. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

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    • ButtonShoes

      It’s obvious who Pompei wants. Ben probably set that up for him.

      • catfish44

        a really great article. make me think more about mcdaniels. thanks for posting it. i still want dave toub. believe mcdaniels will want total control. wouldn’t lhappen here. but, all of us of here are just making wild guesses and hoping. we don’t know much at all compared to arkush, biggs, pompei, king, and those who actually played or worked in the NFL. we just hope.

    • catfish44

      really a great article. make me think more about mcdaniels. still want dave toub. but, all of us here are just making wild guesses and pumping up our egos because the guys in the nfl and the sportswriters know a million times more that we do. we can sit and watch and hope.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “McDaniels is going to get another head job at some point.”

    Let’s stick to football.

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    • catfish44

      juvenile

      • catfish44

        i just found a picture of my mom when she was in her 20s, is it wrong that i got half a chub?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Seriously, what is wrong with you?

  • BearDown100393

    Seems more likely to go to Detroit

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I bet he really wants the Raiders job (that is supposed to go to Gruden).

      Detroit is the only other head coach opening with a QB in his prime.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If Gruden hasn’t been hired then Pace should be trying to hire him, no?

        Instead here we are discussing the oxygen-deprived baby.

        • Do we really trust Pacebot with being able to recruit talent?

          He couldn’t even overpay ppl to join the team.

          • CanadaBear

            If he wildly over paid talent to come to Chicago his salary structure would be totally fucked.

        • SC Dave

          No

      • BerwynBomber

        Indy

    • John F

      If he goes to Detroit he’d better hire Fangio or they’ll have to win every game 50-49 …….

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I would not mind McDaniels. He is more than willing to “bend” the rules to get results. He was part of 2 different teams to have a video tape scandal.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s called cheating. I’ll go with Don Shula. Style with honesty.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Honest mistakes….

        • AlbertInTucson

          “I vuss chust followink ordahs!”

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            There are a lot of guys that have been caught video taping, all honest mistakes I am sure.

            girl “Are you taping this?”
            guy “Naw Honey I was just checking my messages”
            girl “You realize the camera light is on”
            guy “Oh hey, I must have ‘accidently’ hit the record button, my bad”

      • BearDown100393

        Al Davis had a theory about cheating.

        I agree with Al Davis on that bit.

  • John F

    I don’t see why in the world McDaniels would even want to interview with the Bears

    • ButtonShoes

      He probably wants to interview with everyone.

      • John F

        He already knows the Bears are a grease fire, what could he possibly learn?

        • ButtonShoes

          I think he just wants to keep his options open. If you’re a “hot commodity,” you make sure that plenty of teams want to interview you to keep yourself in demand. So that you can set yourself up in the best possible environment.

        • Leverage.

          Like every yr Gruden’s agent leaks that he’s ready to return to the NFL, and ESPN probably gives him like some bonus or something, or it simply strengthens his future negotiating posture.

          McDaniels could always play-off the Bears so he can squeeze out more GM powers and $ from his true target.

          He’d be stupid not to.

          I still don’t see Bears as such a top target for HCs no matter how much Jeff and gang try to convince us.

          Raiders, Lions and Colts have no-brainer franchise QBs who have proven much more than Trub, and that’s not even mentioning all the behind the scene non-teddy Phillps mechanations.

          Gmen are shit this yr, but they have had a long history of managerial excellence and are set to be able to draft a franchise QB.

          The real question is not if the new HC believes in Trub.

          The real question is how much do top HC prospects value Pace?

          • BearDown100393

            Never underestimate the charisma and magnetic charm of Ted Phillips.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure about Luck being much of a draw these days. NTM Carr had an off year and Stafford was his usual productive self with a side order of TO’s. I’m not saying the Bears are THE place to land but almost every place has positives and negatives.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I have that the other way round, John.

  • CanadaBear

    Personally not a fan but who knows? Pace won’t give up final say on the 53 so that will be a tough sell.

    • BerwynBomber

      “Pace won’t give up final say on the 53 so that will be a tough sell.”

      Is that what he said? I asked JW for clarification on that yesterday.

      If true, I cannot imagine that sitting well a majority of HC candidates.

      • CanadaBear

        That was part of the presser yesterday.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeesh …

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          I missed that. That does not sound like a good idea at all.

      • BearDown100393

        He cannot give that up. Absolutely.

        Giving that up concedes power to a HC in lieu of Phillips/McCaskey.

        Nothing new.

      • willbest

        You think HC candidates want control of the 53?

        Not having had control of a 53, I can only speculate, but I think the GM having the final say means
        1) Who gets drafted
        2) That the GM’s late round draft picks get preference over vet min bubble players
        3) Which non-vet min FA’s get acquired

        Which is to say that I doubt Pace really gives a shit if the next HC wants Benny Cunningham or somebody else for the #3 RB or who the #4 safety is next year (assuming he doesn’t draft another one). After all coach evaluation is going to carry weight with Pace, especially during the honeymoon phase over the next couple seasons.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yah, if the GM is picking the team sheet… WTF?

    • SC Dave

      He’s the fucking GM. Of course he has final say on personnel. He’s only, like, accountable for it.

      • CanadaBear

        Look around the league. lots of coaches control the 53.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          I would have thought they all do. They’re the ones on the field day in and day out. I guess I could see a GM weighing in on a close call. Especially if it’s a draft choice/youngish player versus a waning vet. But I don’t like the sound of this at all. Hopefully, there is something here we’re missing.

          • CanadaBear

            I think the only coaches that get control of the 53 are the “in demand” coaches and the successful ones when they re-up.

  • Irish Sweetness

    So we should hire the guy that drafted Tim Tebow – “an unforgiveable mistake”?

    “It’s how he failed. It was 100 percent because of his ego.”

    He has 5 rings? He won those all on his own?

    “But I’m glad Pace is going to find out because there is no better candidate on paper.”

    WHAT?? Jon Gruden. There’s one. There’s a better candidate.

    Massive ego and stupidity are not the characteristics I want in my HC thanks.

    • SC Dave

      Gruden is VASTLY overrated on this blog. Mike McCarthy has an equivalent record.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Yeah, I don’t know what to think about Gruden. He’s obviously got the resume. But he’s been away a while. I wonder if he’s lost his fastball in that time. I know he’s stayed involved. But calling games and running QB camps is a far cry from sleeping on the couch in the office all week while you game plan and scout.

        • Irish Sweetness

          A change in perspective? He’s spent a lot of time analysing HCs for his job as an analyst …

          I don’t want a thirty-something HC that doesn’t even know the game of life … never mind how to lead men.

      • BerwynBomber

        McCarthy has Rodgers.

        Gruden had the likes of Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon.

        • SC Dave

          And defenses.

          • BerwynBomber

            At OAK? The only guy I recall from their D was a very young Woodson.

            Gruden had success at two different places. With middling QBs. There is just no way McCarthy is on par with him. McCarthy has had Favre and Rodgers his whole career. Fuck, Trestman could have won with those two.

            If you wanna express reservations about Gruden because of what Wad laid out below, or think he is overrated because of his TV personality, I get it.

        • That Guy

          You gotta wonder if the game has passed Gruden by. How long has he been out of football? Watching it and commenting is not the same as doing it.

          And what’s the ceiling for Gruden? Is it what he did in Tampa, or is it lower, given time passing?

          I just don’t know. A guy stays out of the game that long, I doubt his ability to be effective anymore.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I know it’s passed John Fox by.

            His beard should have told us that. It wasn’t even a beard, per se. It was growth.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Both have been part of two super-bowls. I just want ONE!

    • Pretty Boy Assassin

      The one thing that gives me pause is how the Pats O works. They acquire several different types of weapons and kill you differently based on what you do well. There’s a reason they have a big TE, shifty slot WR, several types of RB, possession outside WR. You don’t get the same look twice, which makes them a bear to prepare for…”what are they going to do to us”. If he can bring that, along with a competent staff, and he’s learned from his time in Denver, then fine. Of all the things I trust Pace to do, getting a high character guy is at the top of the list.

    • Big Mike

      Good Coaches learn from their mistakes. Here’s a story. Around the league I coach in, I’m none as old school. People joke about my trick play being a pass. It’s more myth than reality, based on my first few years as a coach. I ran the ball 95% of the time, because I didn’t know how to coach the passing game. After coaching for 10-15 years I still ran the ball about 80% of the time. But a few years back, a new player showed up with his dad. Dad tells me his son is a QB. On my team the QB was the usually a vocal, smart, coach-able kid who was the in the top 5 athletically. I said sure, we’ll give him a shot. His Dad says no, my son is a QB. Now normally this is a dad telling me his son is a RB. My standard response is always that the boys decide that on the field. Anyhow, Dad backs off. His kid is indeed well suited by my terms to be QB. I stuck to my guns on the mix of play calling. We’re 4-0 and steam rolling teams heading into a game with our rival who has beaten us badly the last two years. I fine tune my game plan and think this year I’ve got the horses. We lost 35-6. Coaching staff is real frustrated. Parents are grumbling and the QB Dad is politely frustrated with me. BTW this is middle school football. By season end we’re 6-1. We’re in the hunt for the county championship, but our rival is likely to the team we play in the semi-finals. To start the playoff run I call a coaches meeting and I invite the QBs dad. He’s a quiet, polite man, who I had lumped into the category with all the other Dads. (we call the “dad coaches”.. that’s another story). So 1 pt to me for inviting him but -10 for not getting to know him. Turns out he had been an OC at a high school know for a great passing game until he moved. SMH. We knew we’d get our ass kicked again if we came up with just another version of what we’ve always done. So we gambled. We game planned for our first opponent with our normal set of plays for 1/2 our alloted practice time. With the remaining half of our time we put in about 10 passing plays. While QB Dad worked that, I taught pass blocking and creating a rolling pocket. We had whip routes, wheel routes, a center screen, empty backfield sets and so on. We modified our run game a bit as well. We snuck by the first round opponent 8-6. A team we had beaten by 3-4 scores earlier. We did not tip our hand and ran our normal playbook.

      The 2nd round was our rival, we had a full week of practice with our new offense. End of the story we crushed our rival 40-14. QB throws for 200 yards, no picks, few incompletions, we run the ball for 150 more (no exaggeration). We won our championship that year. I learned a great lesson that year. Build your playbook to your talent. Next year I had an average QB, but we still worked in a number of concepts from the previous year.

      The QB is now a sophomore in HS. Started at QB for the 6a (BIG School) Champions, 2nd team All Met. He will absolutely be a D1 QB. But my big dumb ass was going to have him hand off all season.

      • BearDown100393

        Since the search is exhaustive, good luck with your interview with Pace, Phillips, McCaskeys and the 2 Bobs.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        A kid that can throw and a handful that can catch, in middle school, is a pretty rare group.

        I coached girls youth basketball for quite a few years. Mostly just a Dad coach, as you say. So I had fallen into what I knew worked with my girls by our third season together. We had a great run going winning about 75% of our games and always finding our way to the playoffs and league championship game. (Never won it, probably coaching)

        So in 6th grade, a new kid comes to the team, and I could see immediately SW was different. For lack of a better term, in 6th grade, her jumper looked like that of a high school boy. I’d always told my girls to shoot. If you’re open and comfortable, shoot. I figured confidence, and lots of misses in elementary and middle school would lead to better things in high school. But we didn’t really shoot much beyond the 15’ mark. I liked it that way. High percentage shots and we worked our asses off on proper rebounding technique. Cut down on the long rebounds and you get lots of extra touches. Anyway, during a water break, 12 year old new girl is just raining 3s. Watched her make 5 or 6 in a row. So I chat with her and Dad after practice. Turns out Dad still held his high school scoring record and played small D1 college ball. He’s been working with her for years. Now she wasn’t the overall athlete some of the others were. But she could shoot better than any kid her age I’d ever seen. Hats off to Dad, he never approached me once to try and alter what I had going on. I’ve always appreciated that.
        Any way, I just turned her loose. She was making 3-5 3 pointers a game as a 12 year old. It was crazy. It completely changed the way I looked at things. You’ve got to start the season with a basic notion of what you’re going to do, but be completely willing to change based on the players you have.

        I just watched that same girl, starting on her varsity team as a Sophomore lead all scorers just before Christmas Break. She made 5 three point shots in a row. If you watch any high school girls basketball, you’ll know how remarkable that is.

        Long post. But I totally get your point.

        • Big Mike

          Awesome story. Point of both stories is if youth sports coaches can learn and improve, you don’t think that NFL coaches don’t get better? Kudos to the parents that let the coaches coach. My experience has been the parents that don’t get it the middle of it, are likely to have had extended careers themselves. So they realize what is important to learn at an early age and what isn’t.

          • CanadaBear

            Never coached but umpired little league for a few years. Those special parents that alternate screaming at their kid and screaming at the umpires/coaches are always a trip. I played on a team where one of the kids was left handed so he pitched and played 1st base. He was pretty good but that’s all. His dad would reduce the kid to tears about once a month. Every other kid on the team would look around and think “thank god that’s not my dad”. Fucking people. FFS it’s little league and the oldest kids out there are 12!

          • Big Mike

            Sad but true.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I watched a Dad at a tournament in your neck of the woods, Bethesda area, this past summer absolutely shred his 13 year old goalie son after a loss. I saw about half of the game, the kid had no defense in front of him. In Lacrosse, if your defense sucks, the goalie is fucked. No chance. This kid was sobbing uncontrollably because of his father over a game of Lacrosse. First Time I’ve actually debated whether to step in or not. I decided I’d only make it worse, but I still feel bad for not doing something.

          • CanadaBear

            The kid I was talking about would be on the mound and his old man would be just drilling him from the stands. The kid would literally start crying on the mound which would make his dad even more nuts. I know the coach talked to the parent but it never seemed to make a difference.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s good to let rip now and then Waffle, just have at him. Have somebody stand up for that kid and let him see it’s not his father. Let him know his dad’s an asshole and that it’s not okay.

            I wouldn’t be able to stop myself, it’s the kind of injustice my brain won’t give a free pass to. Make him feel just a bit like his son does, give him some of his own medicine so to speak. Bring up what’s behind it – his own failure in life, transference/proxy-living … and watch him crack.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Not sure I don’t agree.

            But I’m Johnnywad. I better go back to my original call sign.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I was lucky.

            I had 3 baseball coaches from T-ball to Jr. Bronco to Bronco League back in the day.

            Exactly NONE of them reduced anybody to tears or even came close to it.

          • Sactowns#1

            My coaches were all great, except for one football coach. Only reason he stunk as a coach is he didn’t want to do the work of actual coaching. There was no walking through the playbook, no explanations of scheme, nada. He spent all his time with 2-3 players and prayed they would be enough to make us a decent team. I never had a super hardass coach or anyone who was a jerk.

          • CanadaBear

            The coaches were all fine but the parents, not so much. Most of the coaches I had in baseball were all really nice but weren’t really all that good at coaching you up. That was always OK with me. It’s not like any of us were all that!

          • AlbertInTucson

            I know they’re out there, and have grown in numbers, but I don’t remember any out of control parents at our games.

            We didn’t have any of that “Participation Trophy” crap, either.

          • willbest

            The participation trophy is bullshit. When I was a boy we saw that beautiful glorious first place trophy that was half the size of a boy and thought that was something to aspire too. Not some sort of bad feel about not getting it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Participation Trophies: Not how real life works.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            are you sure? the gov’t gives out all kinds of participation trophies when people can’t win at life. Food Stamps, housing subsidies, etc.

          • willbest

            No I didn’t hack HBP’s account

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            LMAO!!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d say most jobs are exactly that.

            Give us your worthless life, and we’ll pay your bills, just about, until you can’t work any more. Then you can fuck off and die, if you can afford to.

          • CanadaBear

            We’re very close in age near as I can tell. Our trophy was playing the games and having fun.

            Once I was out of little league I started umpiring their games. That’s when I noticed how insane parents were. Yelling at me, yelling at the other ump (same age as me), yelling at their kids, yelling at other kids, yelling at the coaches and most of the time had almost zero knowledge of the game. They definitely had to pay us to do that job.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yeah, unfortunately for you, we Do seem to be very close in age.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Still, it beats the alternative.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s when your age stops, Al. That’s the c**t.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Everyone’s a winner!

            Yay Bears!!!!

          • willbest

            Where I live little league is hurting for bodies to fill in for coaches. They set up a 2 hour workshop for you, but that is about the extent of your training. I am pretty certain that the reason for the lack of bodies is travel. The parents that are most likely to know what they are doing are the most likely to put their kid in travel where the coaches get paid. This removes them from the potential coaching gig.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Man, I never want to be that dad, banging on the octagon cage screaming at his little daughters “GODDAMMIT! SHE GAVE YOU THE REAR_NAKED!! SHE GAVE YOU HER DAMN BACK ALREADY!!! FACK!!”

            Big doe-eyes welling up …and you realize that you’re now John DuPont ….without the cash

      • evantonio

        Very long-winded way to say, “Hey Guys! I’m a good coach!” 🙂

        • Big Mike

          Story telling is half the fun. When the story has a point, (good coaches learn from their mistakes and adapt) even better. Happy New Year.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Nothing succeeds like failure.” – Tommy Lasorda.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Logical play-calling and misdirection. I don’t see very much intelligence in OCs philosophies. It’s an interesting one.

        Formations should be kept to a minimum (to aid players), and all formations should have pass and run plays connected to each one, so that defense can never tell if it’s a pass or run by looking at your formation/package. Case in point, Fox’ offense the first half of this season. WTF was that? That was telegraphing your gameplan in advance and made no sense whatsoever unless you were actually trying to lose games.

        • Big Mike

          There’s a saying youth coaches toss around, “it’s more about Jimmies and Joes than Xs and Os”. But your right. You run plays to set up other plays, you can extend your playbook by using different formations, you use motion to get a read on the secondary. But you need to execute and have success to get a rhythm. Sometimes your players can’t execute certain plays against certain teams.
          With all of that in my view the Bears got out coached a lot this year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And it’s strange, because the logic of calling plays is not difficult, you just to tell a story. It was so frustrating this year with the run-run-pass …especially for Mitchell when it came to third and long.

          • Big Mike

            It’s harder than it looks. Analysis by team in the box, they have to communicate that, factor in down and distance, incorporate game plan decisions, process how well play has been executed, assess defensive personnel grouping, choose play, communicate play. Real easy from the couch. Now their are 4-5 full time professional coaches contributing to this effort, but the OC will anticipate most of what he’s going to hear, because he spent 80 hours the previous week getting ready. The whole run, run, pass bullshit was scripted by fox.

  • willbest

    So if Alabama beats Georgia in the title game does Georgia also get stripped of its SEC championship as well?

    • SC Dave

      Of course not

    • Pretty Boy Assassin

      Doesn’t matter who wins. UCF won the Natty.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Georgia won’t even lose their pride.

  • willbest

    Finalists
    Tony Boselli (T)
    Isaac Bruce (WR)
    Brian Dawkins (S)
    Alan Faneca (G)
    Steve Hutchinson (G)
    Joe Jacoby (T)
    Edgerrin James (RB)
    Ty Law (CB)
    Ray Lewis (LB)
    John Lynch (S)
    Kevin Mawae (C)
    Randy Moss (WR)
    Terrell Owens (WR)
    Brian Urlacher (LB)
    Everson Walls (CB)

    Thoughts on who gets in? Does Moss line jump the WRs? I think he does. I don’t see Lewis and Urlacher getting in and my money would be on Lewis.

    I am going with Lewis, Moss, Walls (last year of eligibility), Dawkins, James

    • BerwynBomber

      Hah! Was seconds away from posting the same.

      Lach one of only four first year finalists. Would be cool if he made it first year but I’m guessing Lewis, to a degree, will cancel him out.

      • willbest

        I think Urlacher gets in next year, but with him in the same pool as Lewis, I just don’t see it.

        I don’t even remember Walls, but the guy makes it to the final round in his last year of eligibility seems like he is getting serious consideration. Then again it could be a sort of honorable mention before a “FU get in the senior queue”

        • AlbertInTucson

          I believe Walls was undrafted out of Grambling. Part of those Dallas “Doomsday” defenses.

          I would be surprised to see Urlacher get in on his first try but that NFL HOF process is mystifying.

    • AlbertInTucson

      You could build quite an offensive line from that group of candidates.

    • It’s hard for me to imagine that an “alleged” murderer in Lewis gets in before Lach who was every bit the MLB Lewis was.

      Even now in his prime Luke is no Lach.

      But there’s so much politics and backlog, that I guess that’s what it comes down to.

      • Bender McLugh

        I love Lach, but nooooope, Lewis was a step above for much longer.

        • BearDown100393

          And deadlier

          • Bender McLugh

            hahaha

        • CanadaBear

          I hate to agree with ya but I have to.

        • BearDown100393

          Dick Butkus was recently asked what it was like to be the greatest linebacker of all time for the Bears.

          He replied go ask Brian Urlacher.

          Yes I made this up.

        • John F

          Lach got bullied in the run game when going against good interior linemen. Good interior linemen got worked by Lewis.

    • Irish Sweetness

      #2 WR all-time? I should coco. But they won’t let Randy in yet.

      What does murder do for Ray Lewis??

      John Lynch sounds easy. Jacoby too. Faneca and Hutchinson. Lac? Dunno. I never actually looked at his numbers – let’s see, 41.5 sacks? just over a thousand tackles? 22 INTs? Does that do it with no superbowls?

      • BearDown100393

        OJ introducing Ray Ray

    • BerwynBomber

      Ok, for shits: Lewis, Moss, Owens, Dawkins and Jacoby.

    • BearDown100393

      Tim Tebow

    • Sactowns#1

      Ray Lewis never gets in. Never.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Lewis said that he would kill to get in. I am guessing that will sway some of the voters, that you know don’t want to be stabbed or something.

      • willbest

        So a guy makes it to the finalists list on his first year of eligibility and you think that such a player doesn’t get in?

        • Sactowns#1

          In my ideal world, no he never gets in. Of course considering the crazy celebration they just had in LA for a rapist.. err retirement, who knows.

          • willbest

            The voters for canton are told to only consider on field performance. So you are basically asking for jury nullification

          • Sactowns#1

            Another thing I am staunchly in favor of.

      • BearDown100393

        If referring to prison for stabbing people, I agree.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I believe you are wrong in that assumption.

  • catfish44

    dave toub.

    • catfish44

      is it bad that I jerked off to watching two goats having sex?

      • ButtonShoes

        Is “goats” a euphemism for “beautiful naked women?”

        • catfish44

          not even close talking about farm animals.

          • beninnorcal

            Yup, that’s bad, you are correct.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Different strokes for different folks…. It’s scary how creepy this saying applies to this.

    • ButtonShoes

      Ballard will snap him up. Maybe.

      • catfish44

        agreed. too bad.

  • Big Mike

    Nice recap on McDaniels

  • leftcoastdave

    Redemption? Yup, all about humility.

    Speaking of which, I wonder how long it will take for an article giving Fox credit for what he has done with team cohesiveness and player development.

    “Everybody was sad,” outside linebacker Leonard Floyd told the Chicago Sun-Times. “Coach Fox is a great man. I love him to death.”

    • BearDown100393

      5-11

  • BearDown100393

    What exactly is an exhaustive coaching search?

    • Big Mike

      Means they have no idea who they want to hire.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Or they do and they’re looking to punch holes in it. Doesn’t hurt to get a good long look at the entirety of the market to make sure you actually know what you think you know.

        • CanadaBear

          As long as they don’t fiddly fuck around so long all the good ones are hired.

          • leftcoastdave

            I like it that they are starting at the top of the food chain.

          • BearDown100393

            Marc Trestman is always ready to build men.

        • Big Mike

          I believe they do have a plan.

          • BearDown100393

            We hope there is a plan

      • BearDown100393

        Yeah probably. The Holy Grail is probably an exhaustive search. Sitting in a bunch of hotel conference rooms interviewing guys already listed by sports scribes might be hard work and difficult decisions but not exactly exhaustive….

        • Bear Instincts

          Who would you hire? Why would you hire them? What has your potential coaching hire done to deserve the opportunity to coach MT10 and lead the Bears into the future?

          • BearDown100393

            Hiring is a two way street.
            A. You want the most qualified individual.
            B. That individual must want the job.

            The Bears’ alleged candidate list seems good…. maybe….

            Do Pace’s (aka McCaskey-Phillips approved) candidates “want” the job or are they “leveraging” an interview?

            The bias of course… yes… Chicago Bears are awesome…. come hither… maybe.

            I’d settle for a hologram Bill Walsh. Cheap pay. Never quits. Can always pull the plug when necessary.

    • Scharfinator

      You suck on the tailpipe of a motor vehicle until the next coach comes to you in a vision.

      EXHAUSTive.

      • BearDown100393

        lol

      • Bear Instincts

        lol

    • willbest

      Emery talked to 14 people I believe

      • BearDown100393

        Is that exhaustive?

        Or is the magic number 15?

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Hiring a consulting company and paying the bill.

    • catfish44

      They should look at the college ranks for a coach. Georgia is in the National Championship game, I have been hearing great things about their Defensive Coordinator.

  • Viva Dave Toub

    Josh McDaniels tenure in Denver cannot be honestly explained without using the word sabotage.

    • BearDown100393

      He benched Brandon.

      • willbest

        Brandon is a basket case.

        • BearDown100393

          McDaniels was right on that one.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No he wasn’t. Cutler? Maybe. But Brandon Marshall was an elite receiver.
            Look, the guy drafted Tim Tebow, he’s a poor judge of talent. End of.

        • AlbertInTucson

          When he was in Denver he was not yet taking any steps to address his mental health issues.

          • BearDown100393

            And now that he is healthy, he continues to miss the playoffs like a real champ.

        • Irish Sweetness

          John Riggins. Jim McMahon. Lyle Alzado. Matsuzak. Terrell Owens. Brandon Marshall. Dobler. All basket cases.

  • The Bears need a coach who can put together a good offense.

    • evantonio

      How come?

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        This changes everything.

        • evantonio

          Still waiting to find out how…

          • CanadaBear

            You guys are brutal!

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            It’s just so hard to resist.

          • BearDown100393

            The intel is riveting

    • BearDown100393

      This needs to be sent to the front office pronto.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I heard Bears hired Jay Cutler to be a message courier. I hope this message does not get intercepted before it gets there. It could set us back years.

        • BearDown100393

          Use a droid to send secret plans.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

          he’ll still probably end up being the best message carrier in the history of the organization

          • CanadaBear

            Atta boy! I’m sure Jay appreciates the support!

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            just keeping it real. Warning shots when guys get too revisionist for reason.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            knew that would draw you in. lol

    • Irish Sweetness

      What team doesn’t need that?

      • How long has it been since the Bears had a good offense ?

  • CanadaBear
    • BearDown100393

      Fewer people care about watching live sports on television.

      It is not a mystery.

      Attention spans are shorter.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Attention spans have nothing to do with the kind of things you watch.

        Somebody just stops watching football?? Or do they just stop paying for it?

    • Bender McLugh

      does it take into account online streaming as well? Haven’t read the article yet….

      • CanadaBear

        Not really but it’s a decent read.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Simple as. Viewing figures aren’t down, PAID-FOR viewers are down.

    • willbest

      They basically attribute it to the 9% decline the networks faced this year generally. Although it is important to note that the NFL has been immune to these overall declines in the past.

      Not including the streaming numbers is odd though. The paid for ones should be highly accurate.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        …maybe the streaming numbers are way lower than what the NFL thought they would be.

    • John F

      A big reason for ratings declines in the last two years is due to the two new teams in Los Angeles. First of all, LA is the second largest TV market. In the decades prior to the Rams and Chargers entering the market, the LA audience got the best games available which bolstered national ratings. Now the Rams/Chargers games are always shown. Not only are the ratings for these games low because of disinterest in LA, the Los Angeles market no longer adds to the national ratings that other games used to receive.

      The main reason though is there is WAY too much football on TV now.

  • BearDown100393

    Is there any candidate name floating around that seems absolutely awful?

    • Bear Instincts

      you

      • BearDown100393

        I guess that defines exhaustive if I am up for an interview.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          That would be an interesting interview.
          You would probably get hired or drug out by security, since you know, you do not accept failure.

          • BearDown100393

            I would fire Pace. And then tell McCaskey to sell the team. All during my meet the press outing.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am starting to lean towards you getting drug out by security, probably even tased.

          • BearDown100393

            Security costs dough though.

  • Bear Instincts

    Matt Patricia
    Played Center and Guard in college at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
    2001 he became an offensive assistant for three seasons at Syracuse
    2004 he became offensive assistant for the Patriots before being promoted to assistant offensive line coach in 2005

    He’s been a defensive coordinator and has been a defensive assistant since 2006

    • BearDown100393

      This definitely helps Mitch.

    • evantonio

      HAHA. RPI.

      They sent me a recruitment letter my senior year in High School.

      Keep in mind I quit playing ball after Sophomore Year. Also keep in mind I weighed under 140 pounds. Also keep in mind I missed 90% of the Sophomore Season with a broken wrist and was a backup freshman year.

      Not sure what they saw in me, but bless them for seeing it.

  • Sactowns#1

    I like that even with a myriad of monikers, I can always tell a Trac post. The guys got flavor.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    Did anyone mention his brother has been on the Bears staff for the last 2 years? not sure if that matters, if nothing else Ben can tell him it’s shit show over here and he should stay in New England…

    http://www.chicagobears.com/team/coaches/Ben-McDaniels/2a407873-8c57-4bbc-8ba1-729791f49eb2

    • BearDown100393

      Ben might need bro here to keep his job.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Ben has the underwhleming title of “Offensive Quality Control Coach.”

      • BearDown100393

        So did Flip with the Giants.,

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        Not much quality on O this year.

  • BearDown100393
    • BerwynBomber

      Classy. Cool pic too.

  • Bear Instincts
    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

      won’t happen, not with the O struggles. They’ll want an Offensive minded guy that will keep one system in place for a few years to benefit the Tr00b.

      • Bear Instincts

        But the interview speaks to how much they value him and respect him

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

          agreed

        • They never gave Toub the same courtesy.

          I also think this might be the first time Fangio actually was interviewed for an HC job.

          Even SF never bothered.

          • Bear Instincts

            Emery was in charge. That also speaks to the non meddling nature of the ownership. it seems they are so inept that once they hire you they go along with whatever you say…like firing a coach after a 10 win season and passing over coach of the year for some reject from canada

          • John F

            Lovie should have never been extended after his first contract. Playing Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl is an automatic disqualification from being an NFL head coach.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve read he’s been interviewed twice. Not sure which teams.

          • Really?

            Maybe. I don’t recall which teams either. But he got pissed at SF for not interviewing him for HC and stormed to our team, which is why the reports of him returning to SF baffle me a bit.

            Maybe he’s just reconciled to simply being a DC forever now.

          • CanadaBear

            He’s one of the highest pd DC’s in the league. That doesn’t fit with the McCheapsky’s scenario but there it is. I do think Pace has let Fangio know how much he values him. Of course, put up or shut up!

          • John F

            The McCaskey’s are not cheap (that was mainly Halas), but they are stupid when spending their money

        • Irish Sweetness

          And the Rooney candidate? What does that speak to?

      • Irish Sweetness

        We have a defensive tradition, that should be held up, as it’s what wins Championships.

        But then Mike Ditka wasn’t a defensive coach.

    • If it is true that he didn’t want the interim job, then fuck him – in the ass.

      What a coward if true.

      I wished Pace would’ve fired Fox before this season, and given Fangio an entire season to prove himself.

      But, it’s the Bears. Shouldn’t expect rational decisions.

      I’m also wondering if Fangio is overhyped as a D guru.

      Sure, he bends but doesn’t break, but when he breaks, it always seems to be when we need a huge stop with the game on the line.

      TOs are also rare with him.

      In other words, Lovie may have been a better DC than Fangio when all is said and done.

      • Bear Instincts

        im sure he wanted the interim job but never voiced it because
        1.it would be stabbing firefox in the back
        2.pace never considered getting rid of fox

      • BearDown100393

        Fangio is now a coward?
        Wow

        • If he turned down the interim job and as such, we were stuck with Fox post-Hundley, then yeah he’s a puss, and no wonder no team wants to hire him as HC.

          When a person has a team first mentality, and when said team asks person to step up, but he refuses, then that dude is coward or complete opportunist.

          Don’t want either anywhere close to my team.

          • CanadaBear

            It could be as simple as loyalty to Foxy. i get the team first mantra but I also admire someone who has some principles. I don’t think any less of Fangio if he really did turn down the interim job. If I was in his shoes, I would have jumped at the chance just because this might be the one and only. Oh well.

          • BearDown100393

            Well he interviewed today.

            I guess Pace does not find Fangio a coward.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Well if you spotted me a C- …..

      • Irish Sweetness

        Two teams in the NFL had less INTs than us. Two. No pressure. This is not rocket science.

        • willbest

          The Bears DBs legitimately dropped 9 INTs. As I mean the QB squared up and threw it right into their numbers dropped. It was embarrassing. Kyle Fuller was responsible for 4 of them. That dude could be making $14 million a year if he grabbed those but he will be stuck making $11 million because he trained at the Jordan Howard school of pass catching.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Doesn’t every team drop 9 INTs though? Either way, 29 teams in the NFL had more INTs than us. We did not take the ball away. At least Lovie did that. Give me THAT defense and Mitchell. The Peanut Punch. Maybe Eddie can bring it back?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Bears were 7th in total sacks on the year.

  • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

    A new study is coming out that Head Coaches historically are more successful if they have players in key positions that would actually start or play on other teams and not immediately wash out of the league after leaving the Bears.

    • Bear Instincts

      did BearDown100393 sponsor this study?…lol

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

        I secretly sponsored it after watching our D from 2012/2013 onwards.

        • Bear Instincts

          hurry up and publish it then

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            it’s mental and will come out in spurts when I’ve consumed too many tiki drinks.

          • Bear Instincts

            sound like a plan

          • John F

            Mai Tai’s are awesome!

    • BearDown100393

      Hobo would still run, run, pass and punt regardless. Do not kid yourself droid!

  • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

    I have to throw this out there. As I watched the bears piss away a playoff chance in 2012 and 2013 by having the D window close violently I was always amused at how the QB was thrown under the bus. Patrick Mannelly is the first person to come out on the record to confirm that Trestman started losing the locker room during his very first season in 2013. What a fucking cuck coach.

    The rumors are true. The Lovie holdover brigade was the cancer in the locker room.

    • Bear Instincts

      the defense may have been crumbling but the qb did nothing to help the situation. think of what MT10 would have been able to do if he had Marshall. Jeffery. Bennett. Forte

      • Or what McCown would’ve been able to do with that, for that matter.

        • Bear Instincts

          Bear Down!!!! that man was case keenm before case keenum was case keenum. smart football. limit the mistakes.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Are you really comparing what Case Keenum is doing to anything Josh McCown has ever done?

          • Bear Instincts

            they both play smart football.
            they both have decent weapons at the wr position
            they both have a decent defense
            they both are making the most of what is given to them but seizing the moment
            difference is one has a competent hc while the other has a fake life coach

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Case Keenum is on the outer fringes of MVP talk. Josh McCown will NEVER get even close enough to smell that.

        • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

          down vote

      • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

        I wish some little Asian kid could invent an App that could go back in time and put successful QB’s into the position that the Bears were from 2010 to 2016. I think it would be hilarious to watch Rivers play for the 2010 Bears and have to throw off of a one step drop and still get hit as he tried to hit Rashied Davis underneath.

        • BerwynBomber

          Let it go. It’s over. Hopefully his booth gig will still be there at Fox.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            fuck cutler, I’m talking about the team. We had pieces in place to win, we could have had sustained success but the organization simply couldn’t put WR’s on the field when they had a decent RB and line, couldn’t put a line on the field when they had the WR’s, couldn’t get the WR’s in when they had the D, couldn’t draft or bring in FA’s to keep a strong core D going to support a QB and decent running back and TE, etc.
            What makes any of you think that they’re not going to fuck this up?

          • Bear Instincts

            so basically angelo and emery were bad gm’s is what you are saying

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            I want the Bears to be good but until we’re the team that drafts the 3rd rounder that racks up 20 sacks in 2 years or brings in real talent at skill positions and DB we’re going to lose 9+ every year.

            I want to be the Steelers. They don’t always win but they’re competitive and they draft pretty well. We are not the Browns yet but someone has to stop the arterial bleed at some point.

            maybe having Mitch in place, whether he’s the right guy or not, will allow the org to draft the pieces in place that make the chances of success go up and not down.

          • Bear Instincts

            excluding his disastrous 1st draft pace is finding talent. give him 2 more drafts and we will be kings of the north.

            2015
            1.K.White – broken/soon to be released
            2.E.Goldman – still here making plays
            3.Hroniss Grasu – soon to be released
            4.J.Langford – gone
            5.Adrian Amos – still here making plays
            6.Tayo Fabuluje – don’t know where he is

            1.emery did us no favors
            2.pace drafted based on limited info while using emerys staff

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            The 2015 Draft will have implications that reach farther than you think.

          • Bear Instincts

            we are already seeing the effects.
            k.white forced us to sign wheaton & wright
            grasu forced us to move cody to center and sign the guy sitton
            Tarik might not be here if langford hand worked out

          • BearDown100393

            Every pick in every draft is consequential.

            Pace sucked in ’15

          • BearDown100393

            5 years of drafting?

          • Bear Instincts

            that was the 15 draft which was based off the notes emery left behind

          • BearDown100393

            Prove it.

          • BearDown100393

            So u keep posting

          • BearDown100393

            You might be experiencing reality once ejected out of the McCaskey Matrix Pod.

          • CanadaBear

            Buck up a little bit Johnny. For all the FA fuck ups on Pace’s resume the 2 Eddie’s, Cody, Jordan, Tarik and Leonard look like good picks. Amos, Bullard and Kwiat are decent picks. MT and Shaheen certainly look like they will be good but too early to tell. He’s had a few hits in FA; Danny, Aikeem, Freeman (until he went crazy), Sitton, Wright. So I do see reason for hope, esp if MT and AS pan out.

          • BearDown100393

            We might be adding Pace to the list in about 12 months

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Well, hopefully the fact the Pace is better at it. If he isn’t, we’re still fucked. But I see no reason to hold Phil Emery and Jerry Angelo’s ineptitude against Ryan Pace. Every single person that holds any authority over the day to day football and personnel decisions, is new since the time you’re referring to.

          • BearDown100393

            Pace already has his own record of futility.

          • Bear Instincts

            the 15 draft was done with emery’s notes. i give him a pass for that. now look at16 and 17 when he had his own people in charge. he is getting better with time

          • BearDown100393

            Pace made his bed with those picks.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            You are white noise.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            why does it have to be ‘white’? racist?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Nuttin I hate more’n white folk.

          • BearDown100393

            Beats excusing failure

          • John F

            Come on Ryan is trying his best, don’t be so mean. And he has drafted guys that people really like (although they are about to be cut by the new coach). And he knows how to build additions to Halas Hall.

          • BearDown100393

            Pace won’t hire a HC who would cut his top picks

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            You are so weird.

          • BearDown100393

            Whatever sport. Keep that losing attitude if it works for ya.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            More asshole. Your comments are just asshole.

          • BearDown100393

            Nope.

            It is called honesty.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Then find more than one other person that shares your “truth”.

          • BearDown100393

            You need to read the board more. The message is growing.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            he created a couple puppet accounts.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not to excuse Angelo or Emery, but those “pick your poison” choices regarding strengths/weaknesses are common to a majority of teams.

            Every once in awhile everything falls into place or you have Belichick. Those seem the only antidotes.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            but our predicament came because of shitty drafting, shitty FA pickups, ignoring positional need and bringing in shitty coaches and GM’s.
            Now with this year approaching aren’t we only picking in round 1,2, 5,6 and 7?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Sure. But the payoff may be an excellent quarterback. If it is, those two middle round choices are forgotten. If it isn’t, we’re fucked anyway.

          • BearDown100393

            Mitch cannot throw the ball to himself

          • Bear Instincts

            We have picks in round 1,2,4,5,6 and maybe 7 depending on what happens with Inman. We might have less if Pace trades up in R1 or we might have more if he trades back in R1 or R2.

          • John F

            I’m hearing that Pace will trade the 2nd, two 4ths, and a 5th to trade up one spot in the first round to draft a 4’11” 135lb WR from Slippery Rock – guy has great intangibles.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            pretty sure we also have 2 4th round picks.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s correct but they have two picks in the 4th rd for a total of 7.

          • BearDown100393

            What is past is prologue…..

          • Irish Sweetness

            They will fuck it up. Of course they will. mBearrsss. We love it.

        • Bear Instincts

          why did we never trade for rivers?

        • CanadaBear

          Jesus H. Christ Johnny. Nobody cares, not even Cutler.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            I miss being relevant Canada. I missed more than half of the games this year because we were that irrelevant.

          • CanadaBear

            Me too. I couldn’t be bothered to go to a sports bar all season. if they were on my cable fine, if not, oh well. Some of it is because the Bears suck and have for a while but the officiating is the thing that’s gonna send me packing. FFS about half the TD’s take about 3 minutes before they are officially TD’s and that catch BS makes me insane. NTM some how the chosen teams always seem to get the calls at just the right time in the game. At some point that seems beyond suspicious. All of us have seen a Bears’ DB get called for holding or PI when they barely breathed on the guy and then 15 minutes later see a Bears’ WR get mugged and left for dead and no call. I get that’s one of the reasons shitty teams are shitty but something really stinks.

          • BearDown100393

            The Bears are 5-11 regardless

      • John F

        MT10 would still have just as many fumbles, interceptions, sacks, and still fall to his left on every throw.

  • Bear Instincts

    Any one on the Matt Patricia bandwagon?

    • Isn’t he literally a rocket scientist?

      Seems like he has the brains and character. Every time I see him interacting, he looks in charge.

      But have his Ds ever been dominant?

      And most of them had the advantage of a Brady O putting up points and gobbling up time.

      I know MB loved him for HC.

      I don’t think I would be pissed if he got the gig as long as he brought in a badass OC.

      What I like about the “patriot way” is their philo of minimizing the opponent’;s biggest threat then dealing with their leftovers accordingly.

      I don’t understand why other teams don’t adapt that strategy.

      So if he brings that and winning style and culture, could be interesting.

      • Bear Instincts

        since we are not getting Harb or Shaw he is my first choice. Flip 2nd and Toube 3rd. since pace like winning culture so much he should go after Patricia. there is no on team that knows winning like the patriots

      • AlbertInTucson

        Another Patricia plus: He has also coached offense.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nah.

      Wilks, yes.

  • FF wrap up

    The force is balanced once more, as Darth Butch has vanquished all challengers, and reigns supreme over the FF galaxy.

    I had the best record and was about 10 points away from being highest scorer. Kinda breezed through the playoffs too, and that was with half my guys sitting WK17 and $1 left in my waiver-wire budget.

    And on that note, I think I’m going to cut off wk 17 from determining championship next yr.
    Having to sit Alex Smith, Hunt, Bell, Goff, Gurley, etc and cross your fingers your QB doesn’t get pulled by halftime is neither exciting nor fair I don’t think.

    Props to Da League for another highly competitive season in the face of another Bears shitfest.

    Tip o hat to

    505 Bears, Ender, Artoo, NBIT, Sac, Willie, Waffle, Fres and Shady

    QBs and HBs dropped like flies, so the waiver wire really made and broke teams.

    Next yr might just do what I did this yr, and simply re-open the league (instead of creating a whole new one), and open 2 invitations to whomever (GP, Irish?) to make it a 12 team royal rumble.

    And on that note, here’s the msg from Da Commish and reigning champ…

    • Sactowns#1

      Ha! Man I totally didn’t even pay attention to week 17. Still finished 3rd thanks in large part to Phillip. See ya on the battlefield next year.

      • You were riding the Watson train until it derailed at the knees.

        Next yr, he’s not gonna be cheap though!

        • Sactowns#1

          Oh I always find a few diamonds in the rough.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Sac, Reyka Vodka. Thumbs up or thumbs down?

            Moscow Mules this weekend. Seems a bit silly to spend on good stuff when you’re going to smother it with Ginger Beer and Lime.

          • Sactowns#1

            I’d find something local if you can and if not go with good ol Stoly. So many distillers are making vodka (don’t have to age it, ingredients or super cheap) you can most certainly find something somewhat local.

            http://www.stltoday.com/suburban-journals/illinois/news/craft-vodka-distillery-starts-in-pontoon-beach/article_7040cd21-d00c-5199-8ae6-9adc97db50ea.html

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Good call. We have a distillery in my hometown now. A somewhat recent startup.

          • Sactowns#1

            Awesome! Give the local guy some love. If you want to sound all knowledgeable ask him how many stacks (or plates) are in his vodka column. The higher the number should mean the smother the juice.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I probably better avoid that. A subsequent follow up question could really soil the conversation.

            Him: I got sixteen grade A titanium aircraft quality plates in there. Straight from Poland. What do you normally see?

            Me:
            Him:
            Me: (more pause) “I like stuff……..”

          • Sactowns#1

            Haha. Fair enough.

          • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

            Just make your own in a bathtub. No difference.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Auctions are bullshit man. I’m dying to play in a Blog league. A dynasty league would be cool.

  • BearDown100393

    I expect next year at this time looking forward to a playoff game in lieu of a head coach hire.

    • I’ll settle for not being pummeled by the Puke, Loins and Queens.

      • BearDown100393

        Aim higher

    • John F

      Not.Gonna.Happen

      • BearDown100393

        If not, fire Pace

        • John F

          also……. Not.Gonna.Happen… the McCaskey’s are smitten with him

          • BearDown100393

            All u need to know right there

  • Big Mike
    • BearDown100393

      3 of the 5 are not interested

      • Big Mike

        Only disqualifier was not currently an NFL Head Coach

    • AlbertInTucson

      3 of their top 5 are Harbaugh, Shaw and Saban?

      How about sticking with guys who are actually pursuing a job?

      • Big Mike

        That wasn’t the question. But you’re right. The only disqualifier was they could not be a current NFL HC

    • Chris Petersen (Washington HC) is a new name . Surprised he got more votes than Flip.

      Nick Saban, Urban Meyer I wouldn’t want.

      Vrabel is interesting, but perhaps in same boat as Patricia.

      Nagy not even on the list?

      • John F

        Petersen is a VERY good coach

    • John F

      Saban – $11mm/year
      Harbaugh – $8mm/year
      Shaw – $6mm/year

      These guys can keep their jobs for life and make that kind of money. Who would ever think they would want to go to the NFL. ESPN must be using interns to write their stories.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I would wager that this is the same bunch that had The Raven in the playoffs as the team nobody wants to play.

      • Big Mike

        It was based on a survey, independent of $ or likelihood of leaving. Just no current NFL HCs.

  • willbest

    busy day on da blog

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Nothing new.

    • Bear Instincts

      nervous/excited chatter because of the coaching search plus the normal disagreements

      • BearDown100393

        This is what happens to fanbases of mismanaged teams

  • CanadaBear
    • Gotta say, so far I like the pace and targets of interviews.

      “On Monday, Pace said he had a “thorough” approach, but that his list was “scaled down”
      so that the Bears could be “more targeted and aggressive” during their search.

      It started with interviewing defensive coordinator Vic Fangio on Wednesday. The Bears’
      other candidates currently include: Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, Vikings defensive coordinator George Edwards, Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy and Panthers assistant
      head coach/defensive coordinator Steve Wilks.”

    • EnderWiggin

      Yeah, MUCH different. 2015 he was given a list of four or five guys that Acorsi and George came up with. This year Ted and George gave him full control.
      The next month will probably define Pace for a long long time.

      • CanadaBear

        100%. For some odd reason I think he nails it. Maybe I have to think that way or I’ll mutiny!

        • EnderWiggin

          Haha. I’m all in now too.. But we’ll see how I feel in a month or so.

          • SC Dave

            Or a season or so

        • Hope so.

          Like I said, Pace can make up for A LOT by landing the right HC.

          He nails this, and Trub progresses into top 12 QB territory, then the arrow will def be pointing up.

          With a good QB-HC combo, his drafts/FAs don’t even have to be great, but would be nice if they are cuz that’s what gets teams over the hump and into SBs.

          • CanadaBear

            If Pace nails this HC hire and the next draft, they could at least get out of the basement and maybe a lot more. Overall I really like Pace but those FA misses are beyond alarming.

          • BearDown100393

            Nail the HC hire and the FAs needed will hit or more than miss.

            On the surface, the candidacy list looks decent.

        • SC Dave

          It’s a fine time for optimism, as we watch the playoffs we’re not in!

          • CanadaBear

            I gave up on Foxy in the middle of last year so it kinda feels like a weight being lifted off me. Let’s hope all those injuries go out the door with Foxy.

          • SC Dave

            Sure hope you’re right on the injury thing, but I’m so far from optimistic on that front.

            It’s penance for that fucking Super Bowl Shuffle, I swear.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DEATH WISH remake with Bruce Willis.

    Looks like they have upped the body count, considerably.

    http://deathwish.movie/

    • CanadaBear

      I saw a preview somewhere and it was a little alarming. Funny how that movie was kinda ground breaking at the time. Charles Bronson was really good in it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        There’s WAY more killing in the trailer for the remake than there was in the complete original.

    • Sactowns#1

      Who needs a remake when I can just watch the news?

      • AlbertInTucson

        In the movies, it’s the scumbags who get wasted.

        • Sactowns#1

          In real life these guys all see themselves as the hero and everyone else as scumbags. Just a matter of perspective I suppose.

          • SC Dave

            Sounds like a capsule bio of Douglas MacArthur.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Al, two movies recently.

      The Ballad of Lefty Brown, which I really liked. Harkens back to our discussions of Zane Gray.

      And Dunkirk. I’m trying to decide how I feel about Dunkirk. Had I known what the movie was and how it would progress, before seeing it, I think I would have enjoyed it far more. I may give it another go with a new perspective.

      • SC Dave

        I have heard the Darkest Hour is good.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Haven’t seen it. I’ll look it up.

        • BearDown100393

          Definitely on the watch list.

        • Irish Sweetness

          For Winnie fans (and good movies), Into the Storm, and the Gathering Storm are both excellent. Albert Finney and Brendan Gleeson both play Winnie. But I believe Oldman is very good in this.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Have not been to a Theater in years now.

        I don’t catch recent stuff until it’s on a free HBO or Showtime weekend.

        Most recent good movie I saw was “Hidden Figures”.

        • CanadaBear

          We went to see The Hateful Eight at a special theater that showed it in Cinemascope or some such thing. The outdoor stuff did look spectacular but the vast majority of the movie was in that cabin.

          • Sactowns#1

            I saw it where it was shown in the 70mm film. It looked amazing! the snow and wind.. it was like being up in Tahoe in a storm.
            Oh and the size of the 70mm reels…
            http://images.digitalmedianet.com/2006/Week_16/3b4ern90/story/1.jpg

          • BearDown100393

            Tarantino’s cinematography tends to be overlooked.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I stopped watching that movie. Still haven’t seen it. Bored me to tears.
            I turned Inglorious Basterds off too. Pacing is not a strength of Tarantino’s. He’s famous for shooting, basically, a play (reservoir Dogs). He followed that with a classic in Pulp Fiction. Then you have a video store geek with poor social skills suddenly thrust into the Hollywood Limelight and in competition with Scorsese and Kubricks, dudes who actually knew what they were doing.

          • BearDown100393

            It requires attention.

            Like watching pro football.

          • SC Dave

            My best movie experience was in 1968, when as an impressionable 10 year old, I saw the best scifi movie ever in a brand new Dolby surround sound theater.

            Also Sprach Zarathustra cranked up LOUD, and planets lining up in conjunction in the opening of THE 70mm movie.

            2001: A Space Odyssey.

            All the touting Star Wars – that cowboy movie translated to an outet space that carried the sound of explosions. Sigh. Childish pablum by comparison.

          • BearDown100393

            The horse carriage scenes were masterful

          • Irish Sweetness

            Can’t believe he shot that in 70mm. Makes a huge canvas for you to watch … the inside of a room.

            https://nerdist.com/the-hateful-eight-an-explainer-on-70mm-film/

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Hidden Figures was excellent.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I was disappointed to hear that my favorite scene in the movie, where Costner’s character knocks down the old “Whites Restroom” sign and announces “At NASA, we all pee the same color.” never actually took place.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I wish you hadn’t told me that.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Sorry.

            The movie came up at lunch recently in the break room and a co-worker sprung it on me.

            Great scene, regardless.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Definitely.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Costner does like to rewrite history. I love that movie though.

            ‘Mission Control’ is a very good doc on the control room boys of Apollo.

            An interesting thing about looking back at the space program is that clearly there has been a ‘dumbing-down’ in society. I think (apart from the money) the USA aren’t doing anything big is that there just aren’t the people to do it. There was a concerted effort to raise education standards both in Australia and the USA in the Sixties to cope with Apollo .. .but now? Facebook Nation. Land of Meh. Glory days indeed.

            And don’t miss on The Farthest, about the Voyager missions.

          • willbest

            My thought isn’t that we are dumber, its that there is such a ridiculous change in value. The smartest guy I know from my high school was the younger brother of a girl I dated. She was bright and is a doctor now. But this guy is straight up gifted. 1600 SAT as a freshman, he did his junior/senior year basically taking classes at the community college staying in high school to be around people his own age. He makes 7 figures annually as an investment banker.

            Back in the 90’s heyday of Microsoft Bill Gates said that the biggest competitor he had for talent was Goldman Sachs.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not that we’re dumber … but that we’re being ‘dumbed-down. Socially engineered that way. I see ti happen here. The schools and curriculum and atmosphere is diabolically inept. On purpose. So the top jobs and uni positions all go the rich kids, and the poor kids stay out off the ladder.

            JFK wanted into space, so they upped the educational ante. Now ….. they don’t want kids working out how fucked they are.

          • willbest

            Most the people that got us into space were already educated when JFK laid it out.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Most of the men in that control room were under 30 on average, for example(in 1969). The ones that had related- doctorates were probably only created after JFK’s challenge. Nobody knew how to get to the moon, it hadn’t been done before.
            400,000 people put man on the moon, and they were certainly not educated before JFK’s challenge.

            Point is, education was of a higher standard back in that period, it got stepped up for Apollo, and is something very different now. I contend that kids walking around today are not dumber, they are just not educated as well and for some reason, are not anti-establishment anymore. They’ve been brainwashed into the system. They denigrate political-protesters. They have become the system. The USA is nowhere near the top of the PISA tables anymore. That’s by design.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There was talent in Microsoft????

          • SC Dave

            Thanks for the pointer, I’ll check it out.

            Outer solar system missions are hard, since you have to use plutonium to power them, leading to hysteria about the grave dangers of a failed launch.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It was so exciting for those involved. You had the approaches to the planets, close-up photos .. .then they had to wave goodbye forever. Such surprises – the Hexagon on Saturn’s pole, the ‘rings’ themselves . Methane clouds on Titan. Raining diamonds on Neptune. Magical stuff. And then Sagan fought to turn Voyager I around as it left the solar system to take the ‘pale blue dot’ photo.

      • AlbertInTucson

        My dad was a huge fan of Zane Grey.

      • BerwynBomber

        Really, really wanna see Dunkirk. Unfortunately, will be watching it at home instead of the theater when I eventually get around to it.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          So what I didn’t know, that maybe everybody else does, is that it tells the story of the same sequence of time from multiple perspectives. It took me a while to realize that, and the whole thing felt a little disjointed until i sorted that out. Had I known that going in, I would have spent a lot less time and frustration trying to stitch it all together. It’s really well done once you get that part squared away.

          I’m a little slow on the uptake on such things. I’m a sucker for war movies. So I jumped in without reading anything about it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ahh, yeah. Knew that already. A triptych — land, sea, air — but thought I’d read the timeframes all overlap but are somewhat different in length.

            Anyway, sounds like you enjoyed it, regardless. And I have no doubt you were far, far from alone in your inability to completely sort it out.

          • SC Dave

            Check this out. Hope the paste works; song is the Battlefield Band’s Beaches of St. Valery. Did the 51st Highland make the movie?

            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwirwaSah73YAhUI5CYKHdj6CUAQ8TUIMzAB&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Paste didn’t work for me. And I don’t recall any specific mention of the Highland. I assume you mean the British Division. I honestly can’t remember if they were evacuated from Dunkirk or not. Not everybody got out.

            That’s a great piece of the war I intend to read more about. I wish I had paid more attention in History classes.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Haven’t scene it. I understand that it is not as graphically bloody as one might have expected.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There’s no fighting in it. It was after the fighting. A few aircraft strafes and that’s your lot.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dunkirk. Weird movie. Hardly any Germans, with a sub-plot I didn’t see the point of.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          There were hardly any Germans because it was about the evacuation of, not the Battle of, Dunkirk.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dunkirk was full of Germans!!! They won!!

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            I think we’re having a disconnect here.

  • Lost in the HC frenzy, do we finally have a K?

    Didn’t Nugent make a 55yder?

    • Sactowns#1

      Indoor kicks don’t count.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Robbie’s 47 yard indoor miss in overtime against the Vikings in 2013 did. That one counted.

        Did you know he had a baby that morning? I didn’t at the time. I don’t even hold it against him anymore.

        • Sactowns#1

          Robbie should have never been let go. IDK if I’ll ever forgive Pace for that one.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Tough call with Kickers. Hard to know if you’re looking at a slump or the bottom falling out. He did struggle for a while, but obviously found his groove again. Had Pace signed a decent replacement, I don’t think anybody would have minded. But Barth was brutal. Big mistake.

          • BearDown100393

            The same evaluation that went toward Barth also came up with Glennon.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            No shit. And Pete Carroll once gave Matt Flynn $26 million dollars. What’s your point? You would have fired Carroll right there. Never mind that he went on to win a Super Bowl.

            Everybody knows Glennon was a mistake. But Pace was smart enough to write a one year rental deal. In fact, he probably overpaid the front end so he had the option to get rid of him this year. But you can’t see that.

          • BearDown100393

            I’m sure to you Pace is a genius.

            You are the embodiment of everything wrong with the Bears.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            You apparently struggle to comprehend what you read. I’ve laid out what I believe are Pace’s mistakes. I’ve also said he lives and dies by his drafting of Trubisky and the next Head Coach. It’s up to him from here. I’ll say it again one more time. Try to read is slowly so it might get through your thick skull.

            Pace will have HIS quarterback and HIS QB. If it doesn’t go well, he should be fired.

            It’s pretty fucking stupid to fire a guy Before he gets his QB don’t you think? He tried to get Mariota. He tried to trade Cutler. He tried to move up for Wentz. He didn’t have enough firepower. He finally gets a really green rookie, who looks to have all the tools, and you want him gone. BEFORE he even gets that chance to reap the rewards. Know why? Because you’re dim.

            Time to reblock you. You refuse to have honest discussion and debate. There are enough assholes in the world. No point in putting up with a virtual one.

          • BearDown100393

            The ignorant block.

            Your loss.

            Not mine.

          • SC Dave

            Yonny, I admire your patience. I blocked that chump some time back. It’s not worth any effort whatever.

          • BearDown100393

            Hi Chump.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            Moving on.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I believe Robbie admitted he changed his approach AFTER the Bears released him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So fuck him.

          • SC Dave

            McMahon was a Packer. Fuck him 1000x more.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky (Johnnywad)

            What’s wrong with that? He struggled, got fired, dusted himself off, and fixed it. Good for him.

          • BearDown100393

            Letting go of Gould is one matter.

            Never bother replacing him for equal ability is another.

          • willbest

            There are like 15 decisions Pace has made that you will never forgive him for. And by never I assume you mean Lombardi trophy excluded.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          glad he got cut. no excuses!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Was the baby in front of the ball?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Yes

    • CanadaBear

      I think they have Nugent signed and the other guy on IR.

    • willbest

      The 7 of 9 on extra points is a bit concerning, but he is 4 of 4 on field goals. Career wise he is 81% FG, and 90% extra point since they changed the rules.

      Incidentally, 50% of 2 points is 1, and 90% of 1 point is 0.9, so unless you really suck balls at 2 yard plays there isn’t a lot of reason to avoid 2point conversions.

  • CanadaBear

    This is for SC Dave. I KNOW he’s gonna like it!

    This quote is from an article about the HC search. Cris Carter can be very funny!

    Stanford coach David Shaw again has rebuffed NFL overtures, sources
    said. Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh has said he won’t leave for the NFL.
    Analyst Cris Carter, a Pro Football Hall of Famer and former Ohio State
    wide receiver, called Harbaugh “the most overrated coach in football”
    after Michigan’s Outback Bowl loss to South Carolina on Monday. He
    considered Harbaugh rebuffing any NFL interest “great news to start
    2018” for the Buckeyes.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      LOL.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well played …

    • SC Dave

      I’m SC Dave, and I approve this message.

    • BearDown100393

      Carter just put a crease in those khakis.

    • I feel like all the “safe” choices come with some considerable red flags.

      Harbs isn’t exactly tearing it up at Michigan, and one could argue he’s not even a top 3 college HC.

      He’s infamously difficult to work with, and may require GM powers.

      Chucky has a long resume, but it’s not exactly HOF material. He’s also been out of the league a while, and may not be able to adapt his convoluted WCO to the modern game.

      McDaniels is a McDouche and flamed out in spectacular fashion.

      The rest also come with their own questionmarks.

      Pace must sort through all the BS and find the right man.

      • SC Dave

        Not sold on Cbuckie, since McCarthy has a near identical record

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Safe choice”?

        That’s like looking for a unicorn.

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