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Three Thoughts on the Bears Not Tagging Alshon Jeffery

| February 28th, 2017

A day has now been spent digesting the RapSheet report that the Bears will not be dropping the franchise tag on Alshon Jeffery for the second straight year. My thoughts:

  • Bold. The easy move for Pace would have been to overspend on a homegrown talent the fans love. The easy move would be to say, “We’ve got the cap space so why not?” But Pace doesn’t seem to be doing that. If he lets Jeffery walk, this will be the first truly bold move of of the Pace tenure because unlike letting Forte (age), Marshall (locker room) and Bennett (nuts) walk, the Bears can’t make an argument they’re better without Jeffery.
  • This is not an economic decision. This is an evaluative one. I’ve argued in this space – since the moment Kevin White was drafted – the Bears do not view Jeffery as a true number one receiver for a myriad of reasons. Work ethic. Passion. Preparation. It would be easy to slap Jeffery with the tag to ensure he’s in the fold for 2017. Why don’t the Bears want him in that fold?
  • Tweeted this yesterday and believe it strongly. If the Bears draft their future QB in April and don’t bring back Jeffery, 2017 will be a more difficult season to sit through than 2016.

Is the Jeffery era over? Sure seems that way.

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  • Big Mike

    This, is what we’re looking at “If the Bears draft their future QB in April and don’t bring back Jeffery, 2017 will be a more difficult season to sit through than 2016.” We are the Browns.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Lots of nice WRs on the market, Mike. Lots. Too many to generate any bidding wars.

      • Big Mike

        I hope you’re right. Pace is tearing it down. He has confidence that he can get the guys HE WANTS on this team. So all in with Pace. Really can’t argue. The group he had won 3 games last year. If everyone was healthy all year they probably win 8 games. Still not setting the league on fire, so what the hell. Let’s hope they know why they got rid of Alshon.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Pace wants winner. People who have a winning mindset. He is slowly getting rid of those who do not put the team first. Look out Kyle Fuller. Kevin White is broken but still thinks and talks like he would lay his body on the line for the team. That’s what Pace & Fox want. They don’t see that with Alshon. I think pace would rather have 2 B- wide receivers who give it their all than an A+ (ALSHON & MARSHALL) who he has doubts about.

          • Big Mike

            Good point. Fuller is a loser.

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          • SC Dave

            No, its more simple than that. AJ was not drafted by Pace, and Ryan does not want to have him around reminding us that White is a bust.

          • Sahr Gborie

            PHIL EMERY 3 YR DRAFT LEGACY

            2014 DRAFT

            FULLER, FERGUSON, SUTTON, CARERY, VEREEN, FALES, O’DONNELL, LEON

            2013 DRAFT
            LONG, BOSTIC, GREENE, MILLS, WASHINGTON, MARQUESS WILSON

            2012 DRAFT
            MCCLELLIN, JEFFERY, HARDIN, RODRIGUEZ, FREY, MCCOY

            if 3 players from each draft had become a contributer we would not be where we are right now.

      • willbest

        Only 1 that requires a double team and that is the most important trait of a WR

        • Big Mike

          Exactly. A lot of decent WRs doesn’t matter. You need one very good WR and the rest can be sorted out.

          • MB30SD

            Not when your QB is Brian HOYER or Matt barkely. This year is not the year for a true #1 wr

          • Big Mike

            Even more reason. Unless you are just hitting the snooze button.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Sweetness Forbid. We are NOT them.

      • Big Mike

        Why are we different. I know it sucks.. but it all rests on Pace.

        • willbest

          Because their fans are given the hope of the #1 draft pick every couple years. The bears manage to screw even that up.

          • MB30SD

            Not last year right?

        • Sahr Gborie

          We are not throwing money at everything and waiting to see where it sticks. We are building through the draft and our FA comes with a winning pedigree. Pace is trying to build a certain type of culture. I’m willing to trust him. He seems to have a plan.

          • Big Mike

            You caught me in a foul mood about the Bears. Got to believe Pace has a plan. He did well last off season. Aggravated about Kevin White.

          • Sahr Gborie

            im a bears fan too who is frustrate by constant failure but Pace gives me hope. He is consistent in his approach. Go all out for pick #1 then solid contributors at 2&3

            THERE WAS NOT PLAN BY PHIL EMERY IN HIS 3 YR DRAFT LEGACY
            2014 DRAFT
            FULLER (CALVIN PRYOR & BRANDIN COOKS were available), FERGUSON, SUTTON, CARERY, VEREEN, FALES, O’DONNELL, LEON

            2013 DRAFT
            LONG, BOSTIC, GREENE, MILLS, WASHINGTON, MARQUESS WILSON

            2012 DRAFT
            MCCLELLIN (CHANDLER JONES was available), JEFFERY, HARDIN, RODRIGUEZ, FREY, MCCOY

          • willbest

            You can add the 2015 draft in, and it will continue to look ugly

          • MB30SD

            I agree with this 100%… But we are still the browns. They’re not mutually exclusive at this point.

          • Sahr Gborie

            If we are the Browns its not because of Pace. It is because of Emery (BAD DRAFT) & Angleo (for not putting a good support system around Cutler) – I’m not a Cutler apologist just looking at facts – ROY WILLIAMS is your #1 WR…REALLY?

          • MB30SD

            totally agree it’s not pace. He inherited a fucking ’86 camery.

            It’s because of Ted Phillips. I put 100% of the blame on that useless cunt. When your head of football ops knows nothing about football and has zero experience with the game that’s in his title, that tells you everything.

            His public comments literally shocked me. How in THEE fuck and all that’s holy can you employ someone like that in that position. The mccaskeys are fucking morons for that alone. smmfh.

            You weren’t on the blog yet, but I proffered not only firing him the second he stepped off the podium from making those comments, but physically kicking him in the fucking head on his way out.

            Then, go and get Nationwide (manning) to take over his spot. He might not have experience at that position, but he damn well knows football inside and out, knows and is liked by everyone in the league (from what I’ve read), is a fucking diehard competitor and a winner, and would put his heart and soul into making us a winning org. That’s my fucking 5-year plan. Make it so McCaskeys you barrel of fucking monkeys.

          • Sahr Gborie

            I put 100% of the blame on that useless cunt.- papa bear would be proud. m’kay

          • Sahr Gborie

            Im glad i joined this site. I don’t feel so alone any more

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Ok, everyone stop responding to Sahr. We don’t need people feeling they belong around here.

    • MB30SD

      Yep

    • Sahr Gborie

      This is why we are the BROWNS

      PHIL EMERY 3 YR DRAFT LEGACY
      2014 DRAFT
      FULLER, FERGUSON, SUTTON, CARERY, VEREEN, FALES, O’DONNELL, LEON

      2013 DRAFT
      LONG, BOSTIC, GREENE, MILLS, WASHINGTON, MARQUESS WILSON

      2012 DRAFT
      MCCLELLIN, JEFFERY, HARDIN, RODRIGUEZ, FREY, MCCOY

      if 3 players from each draft had become a contributer we would not be where we are right now.

      Pace
      has a lot of work to do. Lots of holes to plug. Every on bitchin about
      Pace not drafting a QB needs to stop. Emery FALES…very appropriate

  • Irish Sweetness

    DeGrasse Tyson on the Rogan podcast talking about the five levels of infinity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_du75Sk-uZc

  • Sahr Gborie

    I would like ALSHON to stay but his past performance is not indicative of future results that we could count on for $17 million a year. In Pace I trust because for everyone who is screaming that we need ALSHON to stay lets ask ourselves what would BELICHICK do? Would you be mad if BELICHICK got rid of ALSHON?

    • willbest

      Belichick wins the Super Bowl every three years. So by that standard so long as they hoist the Lombardi trophy this year I won’t be mad.

      • Sahr Gborie

        That’s true. I was referring more to the fact that when Belichick lets go of a player no one questions him. Granted its because he wins all the time. However it will take us time to get there. Lets give Pace the chance to build his culture and see the results. Pace is building a baking a cake for us. Lets not judge how the cake will look & taste just because the kitchen is messy and his methods are not what we are used to.

        • willbest

          I drew up the list yesterday. There are going to be about 3 players that predate Pace on the roster next year that he did not resign. Kyle Fuller, Charles Leno, and some random scrub (Ego, POD, Sutton).

          So he isn’t building his culture. Its built. So this is the year he shows you what his vision is. Keep that in mind when you evaluate this season.

          • Sahr Gborie

            If Phil Emery was still here that would have been 5 drafts. If his past drafts are any indications we would be in a bigger hole than we are now. If anythings lets judge Pace buy the results of his 3 drafts combined just like we judge Emery by his 3 drafts combine.

          • Sahr Gborie

            3 yrs after a draft you see the results. i have faith in Pace

          • willbest

            You can look at the 2015 draft right now and know it was ugly.

    • BearDown100393

      Braverman would be a Pro-Bowler under Belichick.

      • Sahr Gborie

        PREACH BROTHER!!!

    • SC Dave

      It really is Barb. The Patriot love just cannot be contained.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        now he just needs to go on a conspiracy theory rant.

  • Big Mike
    • Sahr Gborie

      At least we know where the leak is and we are working towards fixing it. That is at least 3 draft class worth of players. Look at what Pace has done in 2 draft class. Imagine what could have been and give Pace a chance to fix the mistakes. It s like coming into a kitchen to cook and there are dishes all over the place. You have to clear out the dirty dishes first before you can start cooking.

      • Johnnywad

        LOL. Sahr on fire with the kitchen analogies this morning.

        • MB30SD

          Sexist!

          • Johnnywad

            No no no. It’s 2017. You mean “Misogynist”.

            I do in fact like to grab’em by the pussy.

          • MB30SD

            Atta boy!

          • Sahr Gborie

            LoL

        • Sahr Gborie

          Thank you. Pace has give me no reason not to trust him.

          • SC Dave

            Kevin White is one. At least so far.

          • willbest

            Because his 2015 off-season’s contribution to 2017 is going to be injury prone NT, a bottom half strong safety who is hopefully a backup, a backup center, a receiver with one leg, and an OLB with 1 knee, a competent Nickelback and an elite Fullback we play at defensive end for some reason.

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        OR. you open the cabinets, see there’s a couple pans left, use those to cook, and toss them onto the pile when you’re done.

        • Sahr Gborie

          LoL

    • Sahr Gborie

      Imagine how far we would be if we had Bruce Arians!!!

      • MB30SD

        Ummmm….

        What’s your story bar…I mean sahr. Eastern European?

      • SC Dave

        Arians is overrated.

      • willbest

        We would have made the playoffs in 2013, and we would still have Emery right now.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Coach has a say in who is drafted

    • MB30SD

      Nope, you just have to read our CEO and head of football ops public statement that the Chicago bears organization does not care about winning football games.

      Period.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      It far predates Emery. If Cutler and Jeffery leave, Kyle Long will be the longest-tenured Bear. He showed up in 2013.

      Their drafting spend a solid decade sucking. Seriously, a decade. I can’t find a single good draft class between 2005 and 2014. A couple that are maybe not total shit, but a lot of years that are total shit. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0810&type=team ) You don’t go from that to a great team overnight.

      • MB30SD

        Sigh. Yep.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          From 2005-14, here’s the complete list of useful players drafted. I split into studs, solid starters, and marginal starters/key contributors:

          Studs: Long, Alshon, Forte, Hester (ST only, marginal starter if considering offense)

          Solid starter: Henry Melton, Danieal Manning

          Marginal starter: Shea, Paea, Conte, Knox, Louis, Bennett, Graham, Anderson, Benson, Orton

          Kyle Fuller is likely to fall into marginal or solid starter, IMO. I’ll say marginal starter for now.

          So in a 10 year span, they drafted 4 studs, 2 solid starters, and 11 marginal starters.

          IN TEN FUCKING YEARS.

          17 useful players, only 6 of whom were solid starters or better (5 if you only count O/D). NO fucking shit they suck.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I just looked at GB over the same time period (full list here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1800&type=team )

            Studs: David Bakhtiari, Mike Daniels, Bryan Bulaga, Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, Josh Sitton, Greg Jennings, Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins, TJ Lang

            Solid starters: HaHa Clinton-Dix, Eddie Lacy, Nick Perry, Casey Hayward, Randall Cobb, Morgan Burnett, BJ Raji, JerMichael Finley, Mason Crosby (ST), AJ Hawk

            Marginal Starters: DeVante Adams, Micah Hyde, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Matt Flynn, James Jones, Johnny Jolly

            That’s 10 studs, 10 solid starters, and 7 marginal starters/useful contributors (might be more there, but I don’t know all their players quite as well as Chicago’s).

            And people wonder why they’ve kicked Chicago’s ass the last several years.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            That’s what it takes to draft well. Get, on average, 1 stud and 1 more solid starter out of every draft. Then another 1 solid contributor each year too.

            Do that consistently and you should be good to go. The Bears hit at about 1/3 of that rate over a 10 year span.

          • MB30SD

            Yes, and people are calling for Thomson’s head.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Their 2011-13 drafts weren’t great, though they look a lot better now that Bakhtiari and Perry have developed quite nicely. They felt that bit of talent downturn for a while, coupled with a couple years of insane drafting by SF/SEA making GB look bad by comparison.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, that D was insane. Willis Bowman their beast olb (can’t remember his name… Banks maybe?) Reid, Smith and Smith… Beastly 7

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            NaVorro Bowman

          • MB30SD

            No I listed Bowman, he was the other imlb… They had a guy outside who was a stud. Too lazy to look it up

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Sorry. Ahmad Brooks. The other B name.

          • MB30SD

            Boom! that’s who it was. thank you sir. He was a stud too man. what a stacked LB corps. sheesh.

          • Sahr Gborie

            they are calling for his head because they are used to excellence and are unwilling to tolerate mediocre results (paying a wr 17 mil a year when he has not earned it)

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Teams that use the free agency market effectively are few and far between imo. Mostly because a majority of players that make it to free agency aren’t all that.

          • BerwynBomber

            Meh. They’ve only drafted two D studs in the last 10-12 years: Matthews and Collins.
            A lot of the development of their draft picks I’d chalk up to Rodgers.

          • BerwynBomber

            Rodgers is a category in and of himself.

            Bulaga is not a stud. At best a solid starter, and I would lean marginal.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Bulaga is one of the best RT in the NFL.

            Greg Jennings is pretty similar to Alshon right now. I debated between stud/solid starter for both of them.

            Mike Daniels is absolutely a stud. Has been for years.

            Player development is definitely key. Too many people forget that drafts don’t end on draft day. That’s just where they start.

          • BerwynBomber

            “Bulaga is one of the best RT in the NFL.”

            Nonsense. At best he is slightly above average, and he is often hurt. Availability is 50% of the professional game.

            I never saw Jennings as anything more than an excellent system guy. Jeffey has talent that will travel and he simply can do things that Jennings never could. He has just played with vastly inferior QBs than Jennings.

          • SC Dave

            Amen on that last paragraph, Mr. Wood.

          • MB30SD

            Absolutely savage.

          • leftcoastdave

            Pro Bowl Kyle Fuller “marginal”????

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, is there a, “dogshit” or “little bitch” category?

          • Sahr Gborie

            LOL

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Pro Bowl? Since when?

            I think Fuller could well end up in the solid starter category, he looked headed that way to me after year 2 of his career, but it sure seems like the Bears have soured on him.

          • MB30SD

            He doesn’t want to play football data. Lost his heart. He’s the scarecrow and the lion in one man (think I got that right… No heart or courage?)

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I still think he + Bouye will give the Bears one of the better CB tandems in the NFL next year. If Callahan can stay healthy that group could actually be a strength.

          • MB30SD

            Kyle fuller won’t play another down of football… Unless he traveled to Nepal and did some serious soul searching this offseason and comes back a totally new man.

            Short of that he’s going to be out of the league. His story was just bizzarro

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Meh…you never know, maybe he stopped off in Tel Aviv on the way to Tibet?

            He needs to channel his chakra, that’s fo sho.

          • MB30SD

            Hedone

          • SC Dave

            I like Callahan.

          • leftcoastdave

            Dude, foggy head, just got up. Kyle Long, duh?

          • leftcoastdave

            I think Fuller was sent a message via AJ. Act this way and bye bye.

          • MB30SD

            Sloppy Dave. Smh

          • leftcoastdave

            Just had my first cup o java.

          • MB30SD

            Get on it

          • Sahr Gborie

            Think of the culture. The Patriot way

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Tic tac toe

            #therecanbenowinner

          • Bender McLugh

            ugh. thanks, Jwood

          • SC Dave

            Should have read ahead. We’re pretty close, except you forgot Olsen. The mistake there came well after the draft.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            damn, how did I forget Olsen? That’s awful on my part.

      • Big Mike

        🙁 Exactly.

      • leftcoastdave

        And who better as the new face of Da Bears than Kyle Long? Back to the monsters of the midway. F the offense, for now. Build a YUGE wall! Teach the Peanut punch. Get back to choosing D on the coin toss.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Preach

      • leftcoastdave

        Not to mention giving up so many high draft picks for Cutty in the first place.

        Da Bears got away from their heart and soul which is the D and the trenches.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          I have zero issues with that trade. They needed a QB, they got a QB. Paid a heavy price, but that’s the cost for a 26 year old QB coming off a Pro Bowl.

          If they draft well around that for the last decade, people talk about Cutler a lot differently.

          Then again, if they draft well in the last decade, they probably don’t need to trade for a QB because they had found one in the draft.

          Chicken/egg conundrum.

          • Sahr Gborie

            I nominate JW for gm after Pace…lol

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Stop being a football snob and a football genius for a moment mmmkay?

            We don’t need no stinking QB.

          • Sahr Gborie

            mmmkay?

          • Johnnywad

            I had zero issue giving away the picks for Cutler. They would have been shit anyway. Cutler at least provided some promising seasons. Better than wasting the picks on Gabe Carimi or Chris Williams again.

          • BerwynBomber

            The trade was fine. No second-guessing. The contract Emery gave Cutler was not. Lots of first- and second-guessing.

          • MB30SD

            Uhhhgggh, now why’d you have to go do that. Jerk

          • Johnnywad

            Hey. You stay out of this and mind that signed Brandon Hardin practice jersey with the belly cut off of it you have. This doesn’t concern you.

          • MB30SD

            how dare you!

            I rotate that one and the “I’ll be your Aflalava” named jersey every week.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m with you on the trade but I don’t know if drafting around Cutler would have made a huge difference. Or to put it another way, I’m not sure Cutler has ever been much beyond a replacement-level guy.

            Yeah, he’s a legit starter but he’s a legit average starter. It’s not much different than building around Brian Hoyer.

          • Bender McLugh

            I don’t understand this…..draft OLine & WR and it’s a completely different ballgame. Completely.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah. We were pretty much loaded offensively for a few years — BMarsh, Alshon, Uni and Forte — and Cutler was still same old Cutler.

            We were better off investing in the D and STs.

            Is he better surrounded by better talent? Of course, but so is every QB. But ultimately he is what he is. This notion that he was top ten or PB-level but for the pieces around him is silly.

          • willbest

            That offense put up 30 points a game in 2013. So it did produce with a stacked offense. They went 8-8 because the defense sucked donkey balls.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. But McCown also outplayed Cutler that year. Hence, the replacement level thing.

          • willbest

            And he promptly went back to crap in TB while Cutler continued his 89 PR average the following year during a total meltdown. I guess that means he isn’t elevating them, but he isn’t going to be the reason your season goes to shit (though individual games will vary).

          • BerwynBomber

            Again, I’m not saying Hoyer and McCown are better than Cutler. Hardly. Jay is the superior QB to those guys, but I also don’t think the difference is enormous. (And keep in mind a guy like Hoyer is a superb back-up.)

            Or to think of it another way, put Cutty on those TB or Browns teams I bet he would have laid a turd as well.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Hoyer & McCown play smarter football than Cutler. Thats what we needed when we had the Offense and still decent Defense. Not bone headed plays just because you have a Cruise Missile for an arm.

          • Bender McLugh

            but for th eOL around him, definitely. The WR’s came later

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Brian Hoyer is a great backup or bad starter. When he had a stacked roster around him in a shitty division, the Texans were a 9 win team.

            Cutler is an average starter, which is a huge step up from Hoyer. When the Bears had a stacked defense (and bad O around him) in a tough division, they won 10 games regularly.

            Very different. You can win a SB with a Jay Cutler (see Joe Flacco and Eli Manning). It’s hard, and unlikely, but possible.

            You can also win a Super Bowl with a Brian Hoyer (see Trent Dilfer or 2015 Peyton Manning), but that takes a historically great defense.

          • MB30SD

            So the net-net difference is one fucking win data?!?

            Shit, I’ll take a boring but not roller coaster and super frustrating hoyer of the shitshow that’s jay cutler any fucking day if the delta is 1 fucking game maings.

            that and that’s EXACTLY what we should be doing. Building a historic D and go back to being the monsters with a super strong run game and a capable passing game.

            At least for next year. That’s exactly what I’m advocating for this offseason. Then we can sell the farm in ’18 to get our franchise QB and maybe a #1 WR too.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Those Houston teams had a much better O support system and weaker division to reach the playoffs. Not as great of a D, but better overall team around the QB, IMO.

            And when the Bears were in their Cutler prime from 10-12, GB was one of the best teams in the NFL every year, while DET and MIN also had good teams in one of those seasons. While HOU competed against a bunch of 5 win teams that they could beat up on in division.

          • BerwynBomber

            Meh. You way overrated these GB teams, their personnel, coaching staff, FO.

            They have Rodgers. Rest of the division didn’t.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            2010 team also had one of the best defenses in football. 2011 team won 15 games with one of the best offenses in NFL history.

            That’s a little different than Houston having to go up against 2 teams drafting in the top 5 every year (JAX and TEN) and an IND team with a QB and nothing else.

          • BerwynBomber

            Don’t disagree a great deal — Cutler is obviously the superior QB — but I just don’t think there is a huge chasm of difference in where you get with either one.

            Btw, Hoyer has been better than ’15 Peyton.

          • Sahr Gborie

            JOE FLACO – RAVENS. TRENT DILFER – RAVENS…average qb….with good team around them/GREAT DEFENSE = SUPERBOWL

          • MB30SD

            I personally like that model.

            MUCH easier to hit on D players than a fucking franchise QB… that and it’s our fucking history/persona.

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        Emery was shit

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, pretty abysmal

        2005 – Kyle Orton (3), Chris Harris (6) both okay.
        2006 – Hester (2) GOAT, Manning (2) servicable, Anderson (5) flash in the pan
        2007 – Olsen (1) stud, Cory Graham (5) serviceable, McBride (7) marginal
        2008 – Williams (1) bust, Forte (2) stud, Bennett (3) so-so, Steltz (4) marginal
        2009 – Melton (4) promising but wrecked by injury; Knox (5) flash, wrecked by injury
        2010 – Yeesh!
        2011 – Conte best guy drafted… say no more.
        2012 – Alshon
        2013 – Long
        2014 – Leno
        =====

        2015 – White (1) bust, Goldman (2) okay, Grasu (3) who knows?, Langford (4) JAG

        2016 – Floyd (1) hmm, Whitehair (2) stud, Kwiat (4) possibility, Howard (5) *jackpot*

  • Ella Vater-Belding

    He’s a part-timer. Why all the fuss? Oh, yeah, fuh-bawl “journalists” ain’t got nuttin’ better to do right now.

    • MB30SD

      Oh… shit….

      Irish… Take it easy buddy.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        From the looks of that avatar, the elavator don’t go all the way to the top floor. He he

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)
    • BearDown100393

      Dork & Cousins

      Sounds about right.

  • Sahr Gborie

    BILL POLIAN: Every year in Indianapolis we said the following: ‘The
    price of admission is 100 percent effort all the time in everything we
    do…THIS SHOULD BE OUR NEW MOTTO!!!

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      Polian certainly gives 100% to drinking the whole whiskey bottle.

      • CanadaBear

        Is Polian also a drunk or are you thinking of his old boss?

      • MB30SD

        Polian is a Fucking hack man. He’s been our and the colts “advisor” and look where we both are.

        That POS has been trading on forehead’s greatness for too long.

        Dbag said to and moss shouldn’t ever make it to the HOF. And while that’s not an outrageous statement… What a fucking dick. Zero respect for that cunt

  • BearDown100393

    The Cryptkeeper now plagues Toronto.

    • MB30SD

      He’ll kick ass in the arena league. He did before

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Does anybody think Pace is just testing the market on Alshon? On guys like him, it’s the smart play.

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      testing the market?

      No.

      Alshon will get some deal from the Steelers or Pats that we have no intention of matching.

      • leftcoastdave

        Agree with that. He’ll cash in and either be a real stud (20% probability IMHO) or amazingly adequate.

        • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

          Steelers won’t sit for his soft tissue bullshit and tub time.

        • MB30SD

          So 100% this. Let him be some one else first year wonder (hope they have an actual #1 already to make alshon seem “great”), then injured and meh the rest of his career

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Any idea when free agency begins?

        • MB30SD

          Tags end today I think. FA March… 9th maybe

        • Sahr Gborie

          MARCH 9TH. Next week THUR

    • BearDown100393

      Tessio was always smarter also.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Alshon is good. But not Antonio good. He thinks more of himself than he really is regardless of the QB circus. Give him 5 yr 35mil grantee with lots of incentives

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Jeff has gone silent today.

    State of the dis-union tonight?
    Paid rioters en route?

    Hmmm……

    • leftcoastdave

      Who needs paid rioters when you have Dumbocrat congressmen bringing illegals in as guests. That Trump’s a real a-hole for enforcing the laws that are already on the books. The reality of the whole issue is that the Dumbocrats held up the bill W supported which would have granted legal status to all the illegals already here. Queen Nanci would not let it come to a vote in the House to protect her members from voting on it when there were R’s against who would make it a campaign issue. She said it would not come to the floor unless half of the R’s in the House also supported it.
      Dat’s a history lesson. It had to be “bi-partisan” or nothing. Not to be confused with O-Barry care which they rammed through without debate or opportunity to amend.
      Politics.

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        Trump said Barry was behind all the protests.

        Trump said that Barry was planning to start a fire in part of the Capitol building and that his opposition should be rounded up and put on trial. In Leipzig, preferably.

        Lock him up!

        • leftcoastdave

          Was that a reply to something I said, or was it just posted out of order?

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            Don’t you agree that Barry should go to Gitmo for his crimes?

        • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

          Trump says lots of things. =]

    • willbest

      Occasionally we all have to do that money earning thing.

  • MB30SD
    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      We’ve taken too much for granted
      And all the time it had grown
      From techno seeds we first planted
      Evolved a mind of its own
      Marching in the streets
      Dragging iron feet
      Laser beaming hearts
      Ripping men apart
      From off I’ve seen my perfection
      Where we could do as we please
      In secrecy this infection
      Was spreading like a disease
      Hiding underground
      Knowing we’d be found
      Fearing for our lives
      Reaped by robot’s scythes
      Metal Gods
      Metal Gods
      Metal Gods
      Metal Gods
      Machines are taking all over
      With mankind in their command
      In time they’d like to discover
      How they can make their demand
      Better be the slaves
      To their wicked ways
      But meeting with our death
      Engulfed in molten breath

      • MB30SD
        • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

          im old

          • MB30SD

            we’re old.

            my first thought when I saw that was… I wonder what the inside of that thing smells like. gin most likely.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            shit man, I did not feel old till the other day. The girl I am seeing asked me what the extra box in my entertainment center was. It’s a VCR! She said ‘Oh I think we had one of those when i was a little girl.’

          • BerwynBomber

            LOL

          • willbest

            I got rid of our VCR a couple years ago, after I realized I hadn’t used it in 12 years.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I haven’t used it in forever either, I just have not taken it out of the entertainment center.

          • MB30SD

            damn

            Ps. You still have a fucknig VCR?!?!?! The only VCR tape I still own is my high school football highlight tape.

            Yes, there are some fucking thundering fucking hits on it… as well as a couple INTs and some TDs.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vQpW9XRiyM

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I bet she is still older than most the girls you see.

          • MB30SD

            how old is she (and yes, I can almost guarantee… and I’m getting worse. My age range on my dating apps are 21-35 now) Yikes!

          • Huge Bears Penis

            27

          • MB30SD

            that’s right in my bailiwick. I’m dating a VERY naughty 27 yr old right now.

            I tend to date 23-28ish mostly.

          • CanadaBear

            A little less than 20 years ago I had the tattooist and his assistant over for Thanksgiving (I was single at the time). They both brought their much younger wives. I was playing some music and asked the ladies what they might want to hear. They asked for Metallica but I don’t own any Metallica. One of them asked for Led Zeppelin. I broke out the vinyl, cleaned the record and stylus and away we go. I noticed both of them staring intently while I was going through my ritual with the vinyl. At some point one of the ladies said, “That’s sounds incredible. I thought vinyl sucked”. I pointed out it was the convenience of CD’s that killed vinyl, not sound quality. Still use my turntable and reel-to-reel. How’s that for old?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fuck CDs and MP3s. Vinyl, man.

  • BearDown100393

    AP & his stick moving on from the Queens.

    • MB30SD

      he done from what I saw before his injury last year. Dude looked like he was sponsored by home depot concrete mix

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        ha

        Switch Hitter b done?

  • Sahr Gborie

    PHIL EMERY 3 YR DRAFT LEGACY

    2014 DRAFT
    FULLER, FERGUSON, SUTTON, CARERY, VEREEN, FALES, O’DONNELL, LEON

    2013 DRAFT
    LONG, BOSTIC, GREENE, MILLS, WASHINGTON, MARQUESS WILSON

    2012 DRAFT
    MCCLELLIN, JEFFERY, HARDIN, RODRIGUEZ, FREY, MCCOY

    if 3 players from each draft had become a contributer we would not be where we are right now.

    Pace has a lot of work to do. Lots of holes to plug. Every on bitchin about Pace not drafting a QB needs to stop. Emery FALES…very appropriate

    • BerwynBomber

      Emery bought into Cutler, hence drafting a QB was less of necessity back then. There are questions whether Pace ever bought into him, hence why no QB drafted his first two years is more of a question.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Greenbay bought into F but drafted R. Patriots bought into the G.O.A.T. but drafted JimmyG and J.Briscett and how many others

        • BerwynBomber

          Yes, but it is even more obvious to do that when your starter is aging. Cutler has been older under Pace than Emery.

          Btw, I’m no Emery fan and have never liked the Cutler contract but only pointing out that it has seemed more imperative that Pace draft one than Emery.

  • David Green

    Preparation, work ethic and passion, are you able to read minds? How do you figure he’s not passionate, I’ve seen him burning on the field after losses etc, you’re taking an easy and generic way out of this mess, be more creative. Pace dropped the ball, no other way around, he failed to close the only player he had to close, he’s better at cutting or trading away players and adding huge DEAD MONEY … $29M in 2015 and $13M last year … than he is about keeping them.

    • MB30SD

      great post david.

      NOOOOOT!!!!!!!

      • SC Dave

        Better than any of yours on the topic, so there’s that.

        • MB30SD

          says fucking you! grumpy bastard! haha

    • Huge Bears Penis

      JWood already disproved any correlation between success and dead money. Pace inherited a mess just got to clean out the crap.

      • MB30SD

        did you see my trump (borat) reference?!?!? Did you??

        Hee hee… funny, huh?

        • Huge Bears Penis

          no. I usually just skim over your posts since they mostly contain love ballads to Hoyer. LOL.

          • MB30SD

            :_ (

          • Huge Bears Penis

            just fucking with ya, I don’t know who borat is, so I probably did not get the reference.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Lets give pace 5 yrs. We gave Angelo a decade. Emery was just a mess. Pace is making progress outside of the injury bug. If we are not competitive by 2019 then we can start to light the torches

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nobody gets 5 years in my book. Ditka walked in and said “In 3 years if you walk with me, we’ll go to the dance…”

        3 years is about it. What he does with Cutty will be by far his biggest move for me. I can’t see how we’re better without him.

  • BerwynBomber

    My biggest fear about the Alshon decision is it smells more like Fox than Pace. Who knows? Maybe Fox knows first hand that AJ is soft and quits. But right now if I had to choose between Alshon and Fox, I’m going Alshon.

    Plus, we have money to burn, don’t we? I get the idea of ridding ourselves of Cutler even if whoever starts next year might be worse. (We have seen plenty of Jay by now to know what he is and isn’t.) But would another year of Alshon be holding the team up from WR corps development? Is Alshon only an average player with a big price tag?

    There could something to the whispers that Alshon doesn’t like it here and wants out. If so, then sayonara. But it seems like we had the cap space to tag him and take one more look.

    • MB30SD

      definition of insanity yo….

      • willbest

        Quite frankly, I can’t think of a better safety blanket for a rookie QB than Jeffery. Dude has a massive catch radius, great hands, and defends badly thrown balls better than any WR in the league right now.

        • SC Dave

          To be fair to the rest of the league, Alshon has had to exercise a lot of reps of that last skill.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          Luckily, Hoyer made Meredith have back to back 100 yd games, yo!

          #destroya

          • willbest

            opposite alshon.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Eh … Brandon Marshall??

          • willbest

            He is 32 years old, breaking down, and his mental health issues that would be difficult to manage in addition to learning all the ins and outs of being an NFL QB. But I suppose he always reasonably behaves himself the first year.

    • Sahr Gborie

      You Sir are a bad GM: Plus, we have money to burn, don’t we? Never heard the Patriots/Green Bay/Steeler ever say that.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, always easier to spend money that’s not your own. But again, we are talking a one year investment. And I would be surprised if we use all our cap space.

        • Sahr Gborie

          You could get 2 B+ WR who would be AVAILABEL for what you would give Jeffery

          • CanadaBear

            Doubtful. There are no guarantees anyone will be healthy in the NFL.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      Yeah, the dynamic of coaches and GM is always difficult to decipher.

      Could be that Pace is thinking financially, while Fox is thinking footbally.

      Pace could say, “for the right price” but Fox could retort, “there is not right price without right attitude.”

      We saw the same go down with Fangio essentially calling Fuller a pussy.

      If it were up to Fangio, Fuller would probably be cut already, but Pace again says, “he’s a rather cheap 1st rounder. See how it goes”

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s irony at its finest. Fangio calling Fuller a pussy. Fangio has bigger flaps than an Airbus.

  • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

    why not tag and trade?

    was that not an option?

    • willbest

      Think you could get a pair of 3rds?

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        i’d take it if we could, though obviously i’d rather get something in the first.

        send him to cleveland.

    • BerwynBomber

      Has that been done before

      • willbest

        yeah Pats did it to Matt Cassel. Skins might do it with San Fran and Cousins

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        Matt Cassel was tagged by NE and traded to KC.

    • chitownproud85

      Unless it isnt, I have no idea why they wouldnt just keep their leverage over him. Makes sense to me. Weird. I’d love to know the answer to that – great question!

      • willbest

        Because if you tag him and he immediately signs it then he has all the leverage. And you can’t trade him unless he is willing to work out a deal with the team he is going to. Or I mean you could, but they won’t give you anything for Jeffery because he is at best a rental.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Should have hit him with the EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE TAG: we get 2 FIRST if he goes anywhere else

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yup, we’d be stuck with him and whatever is going on in his brain that the Bears don’t like.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Imagine you tagged him and realized that nobody wanted him.

  • chitownproud85

    After a quick look at the “top name” potential FA WRs this year, I calmed down a little. Honestly, I dont think any of them really replaces AJs POTENTIAL, but as far as his actual PRODUCTION on the football field since coming into the league…not per game, but total…eh. It can be done. Now, if the guy just suddenly starts staying healthy, I could see him going bonkers on some other team and heading back to the Pro Bowl. Thats kind of the question here, isnt it? Whether or not you have any faith the guy will consistently remain on the field? I think most would answer no, because thats what we’ve actually seen.

    • willbest

      Suddenly starts? In the last 4 years he has missed 6 games to health.

      • chitownproud85

        Dudes right. 2012 and 2015 are the two years he missed significant time with injuries, and he missed the four games last year due to suspension. So there is that – though I would argue that injury has been used a reason for him not reaching said “potential” though the actual number of games he didnt play in due to injury are not particularly high. Fair enough. He missed 4 games last year and 6 the year before, so I guess its more just his overall availability that was nagging me. Not available for almost 1/3 of their games over the last two seasons.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I saw a bunch of guys out of the top 40 that I’d be happy with. Terrelle looks like a baller. Lots of older guys who can still do it. And you could have any three of them for the price of AJ.

      And here’s the kicker – AJ may still be a Bear. They just haven’t tagged him and are letting free markets do their work.

  • Sahr Gborie

    Some context on Alshon Jeffery. Here are the top WRs to hit the market in the last 4 years, their age and contract. Big $$ coming
    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/836654108815798272

    • Malice Halice

      Yea AJ finna laugh 2da bank

      • Sahr Gborie

        at least it wont be at our expense

  • willbest

    Pace’s gamble was last year incidentally. This is just the fallout. Jeffery could have just been given 14 million a year with 30 million a year guaranteed last year

    • MB30SD

      do we know what the deal he turned down was… I seem to remember it was public knowledge?

      He’s going to want more than that this year, so we could easily project what he wants/will take right?

      • willbest

        If I am remembering the Bears were offering $11 million a year and he was demanding $14 million. You are right, Jeffery isn’t Green or Brown. He can’t redefine the market. But he can legitimately ask for 90%.

        • MB30SD

          I’d personalty say 75 – 80% would be fair.

          • willbest

            Bears weren’t even offering that.

          • MB30SD

            nice

  • BerwynBomber

    Chiefs/Berry reach deal.

    No surprise. He always seemed a pipedream.

    • willbest

      fuck that means we can’t get Poe either

      • BerwynBomber

        Tagging the latter?

        • willbest

          I assume they will now, since they don’t have to tag Berry.

      • MB30SD

        yep.

        Fuckity fuck fuck fuck!

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        That’s exactly what that means.

        Reid is all in this yr. He’s trying 1 more yr with Alex Smith before trying something else.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        do they have enough cap space to tag Poe?

        • willbest

          Charles frees up $7 million, and they had somebody else they could get rid of.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            could be enough but it will be close, they would need to have enough to sign their draft class also. if they Tag Poe it’s 13.5 mill. my guess is they are still going to need to restructure a couple contracts.

        • willbest

          Nick Foles can be cut for another $6.5

    • MB30SD

      FUCK!!!!!!

      • Bender McLugh

        hopefully this means Hill & Hooker

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          Has a nice ring to it.

          Like some cop show.

          • MB30SD

            that’s what you should be called. You live at the top of a street right?

    • SC Dave

      $78M for 6 years; $40M guaranteed.

      • MB30SD

        damn. Homie got PAAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDD!!!!!

        Good for him!

        • SC Dave

          KC was robbed.

          • MB30SD

            shocked you fucking don’t like this… back to the way things were huh? Well, guess we had our honeymoon.

          • MB30SD

            berry isn’t an impact player!?!?!

            Oh man, you’re starting to move into irish territory this week. jesus dave. you’re MUCH better than this.

            https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=eric+berry+stats&*

            hahahahahaha, we would fucking kill a few dudes to get a safety like that. smmfhay

            Year COMB AST Sack INT YDS TD

            2016 77 15 0 4 98 2

          • SC Dave

            Ah this one… fair enough. Had I known you were responding I’d haveeft it alone. And then said it was no different of trolling than you have done over Alshon.

          • MB30SD

            wait wait wait…

            so you put berry in the same class of player as alshon!?!?!?!

            Oh dave… dave, dave, daaave.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        Wow. Crazy to think he was battling for his life a year or so ago.

        If anyone deserves it, he does.

        • MB30SD

          dave doesn’t think so, so there!

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      Noooooooo. My fav safety. Fak.

      Oh well.

      Cyprien, Jefferson,TJ Mcdonald and WIll Hill still available.

      They’re just not gonna be that much of an upgrade over Amos as Berry.

      I wonder if POX even wants to upgrade over Amos? For all we know, they think he’ll improve with a better pass rush and supporting cast.

      With Berry off the market, I think Pace will make his first big splash singing Bouye.

  • BerwynBomber

    Chiefs release Jamal Charles

    • willbest

      expected

    • MB30SD

      MALIK HOOKER please.

      sigh.

      • SC Dave

        Keep the pressure on. Maybe they’re watching.

        It would be fun to have a ‘generational’ talent at safety. Not sure Chicago has ever had one.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      He would look nice in Bears uni as a 3rd down back and returner.

      Unless he doesn’t pass medicals.

      I’d prefer Kamara later in the draft for that role, but Charles is proven, a much better pass blocker, and we could save that mid rder for another D dude

    • Irish Sweetness

      ???

  • BerwynBomber

    Cousins gets exclusive tag.

  • BerwynBomber

    CFL’s Toronto Argonauts name Marc Trestman as their new HC.

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      seriously?

      • CanadaBear

        Yep! Great place for him.

        • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

          Fuck Canada.

          • CanadaBear

            Hey now!

          • MB30SD

            hahahahahahaha

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha

        • MB30SD

          indeed, get him the FUCK out of this country.

          the insignifiCUNT!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD4oKK0pUTA

          • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

            i’ll have a coke.

  • MB30SD

    David, please come to the front of the class and tell everyone how you don’t think eric fucking berry is an impact player…. then tell everyone how the chiefs got fleeced and how dumb they are for signing berry cause he’s not worth it.

    Here are his numbers last year (and career at the link…14 career INTs and 5 TDS!!!!) to make your excellent point for you:

    Year COMB AST Sack INT YDS TD

    2016 77 15 0 4 98 2

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=eric+berry+stats&*

    Ps. I want a divorce… asshole!

    • MB30SD

      I would kill for that guy to be on our team. Damn, what a total and complete stud.

      Chicago… where slow white bad tackling safeties go to die live.

      Btw, here’s earl thomas’ stats, he’s an absolute beast too: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=earl+thomas+stats&*

      • CanadaBear

        Die my ass. They multiply!

        • MB30SD

          hahahahaha

    • SC Dave

      Two points.

      1. I changed my post within 30 seconds of writing it. But maybe you typed that so quickly.

      2. Wow. No wonder people enjoy trolling.

      • MB30SD

        i did. and yes, was giggling like a school girl writing this to you. hee hee

        why are you so grumpy lately? sheesh

        • SC Dave

          Ha ha ha. So, it *was* good for you, honey?

          Still want that divorce?

          • MB30SD

            it was

    • SC Dave

      See comment re earlier rant.

      Re this one, you ain’t getting him.

  • MB30SD
    • SC Dave

      Berry. But its not relevant as he’s not a free agent.

      • MB30SD

        sigh, you sunuvabitch! stop pissing in my cheerios!!

        And you hate thomas because you haaaaate seattle and that amazing d of theirs.

        Hatersgonhate dave.

        • SC Dave

          Is Thomas a free agent? If so, we should bid.

          But if we get him, we should expect a step down since the players around him wont be as good.

          Or at least that’s my theory. Maybe his numbers would go up, at least in tackles… you know, cause other guys on the D might not beat him to the tackle.

          • MB30SD

            no, I’m just wishing man. damn, can’t I have a safety hard on once in like 10 years… even if it’s just a fantasy?!

            And while I agree… he would be so far and away better than anything we’ve had since Brown it wouldn’t even be funny

          • SC Dave

            You can still rage for one in the draft. Could happen, bro.

  • MB30SD
    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      tie a rope to the end of the vibrator you are gonna use on your gal?

      • willbest

        Its why the anal stuff is often designed with a flare at the end.

      • MB30SD

        just get a bigger vibrator.

  • BearDown100393

    “If the Bears felt an urgency to win in 2017, Alshon Jeffery would be on the roster.”
    This is tragic.

    • MB30SD

      DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
      Pace’s job was to rebuild org that had drafted poorly for more than a decade. He’s doing a solid job. But this offseason has key decisions.

      this is reality.

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        I am considering the first two years the “furtive rebuild”.

        Pace essentially – as a young first time GM – needed to get the “hang” of HOW to rebuild a team.

        He learned the adage that nothing is served with half-measures.

        So now – Round 2 – SERIOUS rebuild.

        Let’s hope he’s gotten better and is learning from his mistakes.

        • MB30SD

          if he continues his current trajectory, but this time next year we’ll all be sucking his figurative penis.

          This draft is deeeeeeeep on all the kinds of D players we need (and TE for that matter), so ALL he has to do is not succumb to the classic siren song of the top 2 QBs in the draft, because no QBs in this draft are worth a #3.

          • SC Dave

            Well, we can only wait. And hope for Garrett, Hooker, or Thomas.

          • MB30SD

            or adams or foster or the top CB or the top TE or the top OT.

            I’ll take any of the above.

          • SC Dave

            The Adams thing… just doesnt feel right to me. But not for any rational reason.

          • MB30SD

            agree.

          • SC Dave

            TE round 2, I presume!!

          • SC Dave

            We *could* maybe, somehow, end up with Garrett. We could not pass on that right? Even for Hooker?

          • MB30SD

            I don’t know man. We HAVE dlinemen in the stable already. Agreed none as good as he’s supposed to be.

            For me, it’s between getting another couch, or getting a car. I need to get around, but I can already sit down.

            Yeah, I know turrible analogy, but it’s the one that popped into my head.

          • SC Dave

            I get it. I’d rather have a safety.

            Actually, I’d rather have Butkus reincarnate. But if there is one thing NOT happening….

          • MB30SD

            I don’t know man, did you watch the title game.

            Foster was in on almost erra play it seemed. The kid is a beast. Def could be a banks (car) or even wagner level

      • willbest

        It speaks volumes about the state of the organization that Pace is commended when he has had 1 bad off-season and 1 great off season.

        • MB30SD

          don’t agree but let’s not each flog the same horse from different angles.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        This offseason shapes the Bears for the next several years and Pace’s entire career.

        Get it right: secondary is solidified, QB is answered for the next decade, and the Bears are competitive this year and genuine contenders for the 2+ years after.

        Get it wrong: Bears have the wrong QB and will suck for the next 3 years, minimum, Pace will be fired within that time stretch (and GMs rarely get a 2nd chance at the job). Career all downhill from that point, a bitter pill to swallow for a 40 year old.

        No pressure, Pace.

        • willbest

          Having a net worth over $10 million before 40 will cushion the blow.

          • SC Dave

            Sure would have for me. Hell, it would work at 58!

        • MB30SD

          totally agree data.

          Although I don’t think it HAS to be about a QB this year, I think if he fixes the D, gets us a TE and a WR as well as knocks FA outta the park with a bunch of high value pick ups to fill gaps… and sets us up for the chise next year… he’ll get a grade A.

        • Johnnywad

          Man that only works if there is a true ten year starter to be had. Is there? And does he even have a shot at the guy?

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)
    • MB30SD

      nah, space ain’t my thing maings

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      “Space may be the final frontier
      But it’s made in a Hollywood basement
      And Cobain can you hear the spheres
      Singing songs off Station to Station?
      And Alderaan’s not far away, it’s Californication”

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    Take a chance on Johnny Football and redemption?

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18789599/johnny-manziel-says-life-trending-upward-judge-concern-domestic-violence-case

    Al in Arizona – what say you? Is Johnny a new man?

    • SC Dave

      No

      • MB30SD

        FUUUUUCK no!!!

        • SC Dave

          Da DESTROYAH >> Manziel

          • Huge Bears Penis

            that not saying much.

          • MB30SD

            by far and away

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Oh yeah, but I’m talking about a 3rd QB.

            If we really aren’t drafting anyone, then I’d rather go with

            Hoyer-Shaw-Manziel

            Rather than

            Hoyer-Shaw- [fill in the scrub]

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Fuck Hoyer!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            You trying to give Fox another heart attack?

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s some bag of shit right there, dude ….

          • leftcoastdave

            Barkley will win the job at camp, if invited.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            If it’s against Hoyer, he won’t.
            Pretty sure those turnovers scared off Fox.
            POX don’t want a Cargo Jr.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      Woudn’t he be a more intriguing option than say Barkley?

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)
        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          Hahaha

          Hey, we had Flutie.

          Manziel is like a drunk Flutie.

          NFL.com graded Manziel 6.12

          http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/johnny-manziel?id=2543462

          Trubisky is graded at 6.7, Watson 6.3; Kizer 5.8

          So basically, we’d be getting a 1-2 rd QB for a bag-o-chips

          Fuck it.

          • SC Dave

            A drunk Flutie… good gawd.

            Then again, we had a sober Flutie. Not better.

      • SC Dave

        No

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      He’s gotta be goodell’s love child, there can be no other explanation.

  • willbest

    Jerry wants AP? Why? he has Morris, who is better than AP

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      Jerry has ALWAYS wanted AP. And AP has always wanted to play with the Boys.

      Texas thang.

      • CanadaBear

        Not to mention, why wouldn’t AP want to play in Dallas behind that OL? it will be interesting to see where he end’s up and how much he will get.

        • SC Dave

          And whether his ypc kicks the shit out of Zeke’s

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Wouldn’t surprise me, but Zeke is a much smoother route runner with softer hands.

            If AP does go to the boys that will be FF deathknell for Zeke tho

        • BerwynBomber

          Wouldn’t be shocked if the Pats game him a look.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            If AP is cheaper than Blount, if not, they’ll stick to their cheap rotation of Blount-Lewis

  • BearDown100393

    Pace: I’d wake up and there’d be nothing. I hardly said a word to Alshon,
    until I said “yes” to a divorce. When I was here, I wanted to be there;
    when I was there, all I could think of was getting back into the draft room.
    I’m here a week now… waiting for a free agent… getting softer. Every
    minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Thompson
    squats in the bush, he gets stronger. Each time I looked around the
    walls moved in a little tighter.

    • Sactowns#1

      I watched a lineman crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That’s my dream. That’s my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor… and surviving.

      • MB30SD

        yeeeees

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        What in the world are you guys rambling about?

        Is this a Tropic Thunder joke?

        • MB30SD

          jesus… smfh

        • Sactowns#1

          If you were 18 years old I would forgive that but I know Butch aint no youngster!!! They are quotes from one of the greatest films of all time.

          • MB30SD

            seriously right? WTF?!?!?!

            fucking philistine!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Was Allister Crowley in it by any chance?

          • MB30SD
          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Without googling, sounds like Apocalypse now, or one of those NAM films where some jaded soldier rails off.

            or JAWS! lol

          • MB30SD

            sure without googling. smh

          • Sactowns#1

            Here’s to you all you fine speedy safeties. Here’s to you all you safeties of speed!

        • BearDown100393

          Well, you see, Butch, in this game, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical football necessity. But out there with these players, it must be a temptation to be God. Because there’s a conflict in every general manager’s heart, between the rational and irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Halas called the better angels of our nature.

      • leftcoastdave

        So much depends
        upon the red wheelbarrow
        filled with rain water
        beside the white chickens

    • Sactowns#1

      Do you know that ‘if’ is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you”… I mean I’m… no, I can’t… I’m a little man, I’m a little man, he’s… he’s a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged safeties scuttling across fields in silent stadiums”

      • SC Dave

        What… have you been reading Sartre or some such?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Kipling. England’s favorite middle-of-the-road poet.

  • MB30SD
  • SC Dave

    You fuckers are the damn bomb.

    NOTHING on, and 350 posts and counting.

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      We can talk about Andrews dog, Ditka

      • MB30SD

        good name, and at least it’s not a fucking cat

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I haven’t heard that expression since gran’s passed away.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

    Will AP go to the Puke?

    Imagine that.

    • MB30SD

      don’t care. he’s not the same guy

      • SC Dave

        Until he is

        • MB30SD

          suuuure. He didn’t look like that guy BEFORE his second knee this year

          • Scharfinator

            Yeah, he’s still a starter, but not AP of old.

          • CanadaBear

            I agree but it was a very small sample. He’s a crazy fucker so you never know but overall I agree with ya.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            I agree.

            With normal backs, I’d say he’s done.

            But AP has been otherworldly in the past.

            He has that Walter drive. Can never totally count that out.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

    Jets release Mevis

    He looked like toast last season, plus like 4 felonies.

    • BerwynBomber

      No thanks but could see the Cheese taking a look at him.

  • Scharfinator

    Saw a headline that Cutler had been traded, then realized it was a joke article as it said we traded him to McDonald’s for $7.50 an hr.

    Pretty funny, but sad.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

    Hey, Irish, I checked out that vid on McNamara and Vietnam (speaking of Apoc Now).

    (And of you 60s guy feel free to jump in)

    I don’t know what to make of it. I think someone from the X-gen (moi) probably sees him differently than those baby boomers who lived through it, but he strikes me as someone who just got caught in the system, bringing an outdated war model (he was in WW2) to Vietnam.

    Though even he admitted that he told the Prez that it was unwinnable, but LBJ didn’t give a fuck cuz he didn’t want to go down as the 1st POTUS to lose a war (seemed like a theme with Ike, Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon).

    McNamara did lie though, and a lot of am kids lost their lives for it.

    A lot of older folks deem him a war criminal or even treasonous for that.

    Gotta wonder about Nam now though. If the point of Nam was to defeat Communism, in the long run, wasn’t it mission accomplished?

    We no longer live in the real spectre of nuclear holocaust with the U.S.S.R.

    China is essentially a capitalist oligarchy. N. Korea is a rogue state. Fidel is gone. All those lat am countries are too broke to pose any risk. The real threat of communism spreading is over.

    If we didn’t throw operation human shield into Nam to slow-the-roll, same outcome?

    Or was it just a civil war the U.S. needlessly plunged into?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Dude…..the whole reason we have a fiat currency is to fund never ending wars because it’s good for business.

      True Story

      When Kublai Khan first started raping and pillaging, he payed his troops with gold. When the gold ran out, he paid them with silver. When the silver ran out, he paid them in lead and his troops said fuck you and went home.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yup. The Secret of Oz. It’s on YT, worth a look.

      • Johnnywad

        Ats what I’d do

    • SC Dave

      Wow… where to start.

      I was a kid in the 60’s; my oldest brother (about 2 1/2 years order than me) had a draft number but it was high and he didn’t go.

      Me? I played Avalon Hill and SPI wargames in the late 60s through early 80s or so. Early on, a great lesson imposed (granted, these were fucking GAMES and not real life) was that in a conflict, the most important thing to understand was…

      How do I win?

      It made an impression.

      For us to ask *perfectly good young men, and later women* to risk THEIR VERY LIVES for a cause morally requires us to AT LEAST tell them how they win. What are the conditions that the mission is achieved – when have they done their job. When can they come home?

      Born in 1958, I can only think of two conflicts where conditions were clearly articulated. One was in the Eastwood movie – rescuing some kids from a college on Grenada. “Go in, and bring the kinds home safe”.

      The other? Bush senior – Desert Storm. Go in and kick Saddam Hussein’s forces out of Kuwait. For good measure, we added a little ass kicking at the end, but *our* boys and girls knew when they could come home.

      The rest was all immoral. Not only could we not tell the most important people (those with their asses on the line) when they were done, we couldn’t even explain to the man in the street how we win.

      It has been all so unconscionable.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Put the leaders of each country in a room with 1 gun and 1 bullet. 2 men enter, 1 man leave.

        • willbest

          So whoever is lead by Chuck Norris?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Bruce Lee was Chinese right?

          • Doc Nitty

            Send Ditka then.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Lee Jun-Fan …. he was my teacher ….

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          Revis knocked out two ppl cold for 10 seconds.

          Bam. Bam.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Man’s inhumanity to man. We really did take a bulldozer to the garden of Eden ….

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          The garden of eden was in Egypt. It was called the garden of “Aten” which has been transliterated into Eden. Blame it on Ahken”aten”.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        The original objective was to make Viet “democratic” and thus stop the “domino” effect of communism.

        Obviously this didn’t happen.

        However

        It can be argued that by us going in, we stalled it, or at the very least showed the communists that we weren’t just going to sit on the couch while asia fell.

        And 50 odd years later, no more true communism.

        Then again, could be that no other S east asian countries would’ve turned communistic even if we didn’t intervene.

        It’s kinda like Regan outspending the Russians till they went broke.

        Got them to waste their resources till they collapsed under their own strain.

        Dunno the answer really.

        But maybe in the future Vietnam vets will indeed be seen as helping the world combat communism – an oppressive ideology.

        Which is ironic cuz in the immediate aftermath they were just seen as baby killers.

        Something to ponder.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Butch butch butch….I see you’ve been watching the history channel again. That’s not how it went down.

          No, utter bullshit. The Korean war was orchestrated in order to lay the foundation for the U.N. MacArthur pushed those commie bastards into China and was told to stand down.

        • leftcoastdave

          Kennedy got tough in Vietnam for purely political reasons after looking like a neophyte after the Koober debacle. His polls were in the tank so he became the cold warrior in Vietnam. The only reason he was in Dallas was his reelection was going to be impossible, even with LBJ stealing the vote in Texas. He was the worst president of the century, saved only by St. Jimmy the Carter.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Who was the worst? JFK challenged the intelligentsia to go to the moon and put America at the top of the heap, the height of their power. He was the last Prez since Lincoln to have the balls to take on the Fed and attack Money-As-Debt by releasing the Silver Dollar, government-issued cash.

            I liked Carter, he was/is a smart and decent man. Been a while since you’ve had one of those in the WH. I thought Obama looked okay .. .but he was clearly owned by Wall Street.

          • leftcoastdave

            Any honest history will tell you that a plan had been developed in the CIA and the military to have a multi-pronged invasion of Cuba utilizing both an army of ex-pats (Cubans who fled) and the US military. Many will say it was not a good idea (many leaks in the ex-pat community), others supported it (the Monroe Doctrine, stop communism in our hemisphere, etc.) St. John the Kennedy went all wobbly and waffled. He could have done it, or he could have stopped it. Instead he pared it back to just the ex-pats landing at the Bay of Pigs, promising air support and then did not even follow through with the air support. The result? Slaughter on the beach, a Carteresque fiasco even before Jimmy.
            Fidel then invited Nikita to send nukes to the island. Kennedy blockaded, an act of war. The Ruskies sent three nuke armed subs which loitered off our shores with orders to launch if they lost operational communications. Two were found and neutralized, one not. Only by the grace of God did that sub captain not launch on DC. Kennedy backed down with Nikita and privately agreed to do what he publicly said he would never do – remove our nukes from Turkey.
            After this black eye, Kennedy did not want to be the one to “lose Vietnam” and put the spooks over there with military “advisors.” They assassinated Diem, an act which could not have been done without Kennedy’s approval. You break it, you own it. The rest is history.
            Yea, the worst president in our history.

          • leftcoastdave

            Why do you think Jimmy Carter was tossed? I was working union construction back in the mid 70’s and the inflation caused by Jimmy’s easy money policy pushed middle class workers into ever higher tax brackets. As a fact, the union dudes I was working with hated getting overtime ($15-40/hour back the was pretty good) because, to quote them “my pay check is smaller from all the damn taxes being taken out.” The inflationary spiral pushed interest rates for home mortgages up to 10, 12 then 14%. High taxes made atlas shrug. People hid their money in gold, art, collectibles and tax shelters. The economy was choked.
            That is not to mention his handling of Iran or foreign policy in general.

            When Reagan took office, he choked down easy money and interest rates skyrocketed to 20%. That is what it took to bleed inflation out of the economy. He immediately sought 30% across the board tax reductions but Tip O’Neil controlled the house. He settled for 5-10-10 over three years which delayed the recovery from recession. Once the tax cuts kicked in, the economy roared for over 25 years.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fog of War is a very very good documentary. It’s basically him apologizing for everything for 90 minutes. He’s genuinely trying to set the record straight on so many things, and you can tell he was just trying to do the right thing. In it he talks about the USA being afraid of China moving in on Vietnam. He meets with the leader of the NVA years later, who tells him “McNamara, you’re crazy. We hate the Chinese. We’ve been fighting the Chinese for a thousand years .. why did you think that?”

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        I saw that doc pop up in the discussion. Gonna check that one out next.

        I wish the interviewer would’ve asked more questions about the “11 mistakes” we committed and could learn from.

        Pretty sure McNamara is not a saint, but we can often learn the most from the diabolical.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Very intelligent guy. He was President of Ford Motors and Kennedy said “I want you.” But the blood on his hands weighed heavy in his final years.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Yeah, he struck me as intelligent. But I think a commentor correctly observed

            “Ivy league smart not field smart”

            I think he explained his rational rather clearly.

            He, along with a lot of other generals and policy makers, were in WW2.

            So they simply took that model and applied it to Vietnam, which he admitted was a huge mistake.

            McNamara also relayed how many of them still remembered Winston saying how millions of lives were lost needlessly because we acted too late with Hitler, and many politicians from his generation weren’t about to make the same mistake of “appeasement” with communism.

            That he’s smart and was trying to do the right thing actually makes the story more alarming.

            Even if you think he should’ve been hung for treason or war crimes, we should learn from his experiences going forward.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He loved JFK a lot I think, he got very misty talking about picking out the spot for his burial.

            BTW – JFK fans should NOT watch ‘Jackie’. That is a weird movie.

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            General Motors. Not Ford.

          • Irish Sweetness

            My bad.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            It was Ford. McNamara proposed the Falcon as an economic option to the more expensive shit like Caddys

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, etc didn’t like Russians either but didn’t prevent them from being gobbled up by USSR.

    • Cormonster

      “Vietnam: A History” by Stanley Karnow is a great book if your looking for a good, overall history of Vietnam and the wars. It’s a great place to start if you plan on getting into more specific areas of the war. It’s more of a book on the politics of the war than actual battles, but it gives a good framework to start with before exploring further.

      http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/96110.Vietnam

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ve only read the one, “A bright shining lie”, and it was enough. That is one big bastard of a book.

        • Cormonster

          I’ve had that one for about 10 years but haven’t gotten around to reading it. The above mentioned book was depressing enough and about 800 pages. The book made a convincing argument that the war was unwinnable from the start based on geopolitics, culture, and many other factors.

          My Dad spent all of 68 and most of 69 along the DMZ. His units first mission was supplying the Marines at Khe Sahn. He’s told me a lot of crazy shit that you don’t read in the history books.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I read some great books like Paco’s Boy and especially ‘Blackfoot is missing’ about the teams of American SF that would go over the wire into Laos and Thailand and Cambodia with the Montagnards, looking for trouble. Proper hard-asses. No egos on facebook, wearing t-shirts. Totally unknown soldiers who didn’t officially exist.

            Very different dudes to the insecure children they sent to Iraq who didn’t/don’t know their arsehole from a hole in the ground and were just there to kick doors in.
            The grunts in vietnam were mostly drafted, but the JSOC boys were all volunteers.

          • Cormonster

            My Dad had to deliver supplies several times to troops in Laos and other very remote areas along the DMV with no other military backup. He was “volunteered” because he didn’t like to take orders. He said some of those guys would “go native” and carry scalps and other souvenirs on their bodies. I’ll have to ask you about those books again some time when I have time to read them.

    • leftcoastdave

      St. John the Kennedy had to “get tough” after almost causing a nookier holocaust when he ok’d the Bay of Pigs invasion, saying he would provide air support, then backing off to let the ex-pats die on the beach. Nikita sent nukes to “Koober” and St. John blinked again, privately agreeing to Nikita’s demands to remove our nukes from Turkey, something kept secret so he could save face after bringing us the closest to nookier catastrophe in history. Compound that with St. John the K tacitly agreeing to the assassination of Diem and you can see why Fidel had him wacked by Oswald.

      The Dumbocrats have done a wonderful job of avoiding responsibility for the stoopidest foreign policy decisions this country has ever made, Vietnam being right up there with Libya and Syria.

  • Doc Nitty

    Here’s a fourth thought on not tagging Jefferies* : they threw the tag at him, but true to form, he dropped it. And it’s no wonder why with how wide he holds his hands apart.

    * I know

    • MB30SD

      Hee… Hee.

      • Doc Nitty

        Shit my comment hurt so bad poor ol’ chap just pulled a hammy.

        • MB30SD

          Hahahaha

      • Doc Nitty

        #SoonToBeWorldChampNEPatriot

        • SC Dave

          He’d be the second best WR Brady ever had.

          • MB30SD

            BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • CanadaBear

      Hey Doc! Just stopping long enough to get your batteries recharged?

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

    Buyer beware. Saints are willing to eat $8M to cut Jairius Byrd

    Bird is sometimes NOT the word

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/28/report-saints-will-release-jairus-byrd/

    • BerwynBomber

      NO fucked up by letting Jenkins go and signing Byrd. Jenkins was literally half the price.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Grease is the word, Butch.

      (ducks)

    • willbest

      Saints have managed to weather cap hell. They will have $25+ million this season. Maybe they can fix the defense and get another ring before Brees retires.

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)
    • willbest

      To replace Porter, sure. Not at my CB1

  • Irish Sweetness

    Wow, just saw that Paxton was in another classic movie I had no idea he was in : Near Dark. Also didn’t realize he was in the Terminator, the first one. Predator 2 ….. and funnily enough, he played the main character in the film of a book I mentioned below, ‘A Bright Shining Lie’.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Splash the cash POX ! I like Floyd. That’s it. We need more studs in there.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788376/article/patriots-wont-use-franchise-tag-on-donta-hightower

  • Irish Sweetness

    Good analysis from Mayock here on the draft. Interesting. Doesn’t give a high grade for anyone at QB. I’m with him on drafting Davis Webb in the third – if we’re drafting one. But none of them are ready. I can see a situation where POX don’t get any attractive offers for Cutty and they just ride the wave. Pace said “all options are on the table at QB”. That’s what he said, roughly. One of those options is starting Jay Cutler next season.

    http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/2/28/14762464/mike-mayock-on-the-nfl-draft-mock-combine-and-the-chicago-bears

    • leftcoastdave

      We talked a bit about Davis Webb on the blog. Texas Tech with the coaching connection, lost his job to Mahomes and did fifth year in Cal against the Pac 10 talent.
      I like that choice.

  • Bearfacts

    QUOTE; ” If the Bears draft their future QB in April and don’t bring back
    Jeffery, 2017 will be a more difficult season to sit through than 2016.” It will be anyway.

    Of course it’s an economic decision. Ted Phillips and GMcC would piss their pants if they have to guarantee another player $40-$50 mil over 3-4 years. The Bears aren’t interested in having the best players only the best they can get for what they’re willing to pay.

    Now we can add #1 WR and #1 QB to the list along with #1 FS, #1 CB, a starting 3-4 DE and another Edge Rusher. It looks to me like Pace needs 3 or 4 first round picks not one. Leave it to the Bears to stack a rebuild on top of a rebuild. We send more productive players packing than we sign or draft.

    Note of interest; John Fox will have to produce a 15-1 record in 2017 just to have a .500 W/L record over three seasons. Anyone placing any bets on that? How does the guy still have a job? Or even worse who the f*** hired him to begin with? I suspect this was another clever Teddy Bears and GMcC move since they felt they needed a HC who could match their own level of arrogance. It’s really hard in light of the Bears record over the past 31 years to accept an owner telling fans no one can run this team better than the McCaskey’s. I guess they believe in “alternative facts” too.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s a total rebuild. Do you think Pace didn’t try to get a better return for BMarsh, Bennett and now Cutler? Not a fan of Fox but after Nessman someone had to come in and restore order and Fox had the rep to do just that (he did accomplish that). The Bears suck and will continue to suck for at least another year or two. A decade of bad drafts and a total organizational meltdown under Emery/Nessman led the Bears to this.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        Exactly. Not his fault no team wants to give shit for Cargo. He didn’t draft or trade for him to start.

        Bmarsh is likely off the Jets cuz they’re tired of gis act and Bennett is trying to squeeze the Pats for $

        Good riddance

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      FA hasn’t even started yet.
      What if he signs Pryor, Hill, Baker, Doyle and Bouye in the first wave?

      Suddenly we’re looking great, and everyone is giving Pace a blow.

      Gotta at least see what Pace does in FA (and the draft) before damning him.

      Thus far he’s done a decent job of replacing exiting talent, so he’s earned a certain level trust from me at least.

  • George Simonis

    I’m still on the fence with Pace. He’s letting an awful lot of good folks go for little or no compensation. And I’m not yet a fan of his drafting prowess. I think that so far, he’s taken the Bears down…And I don’t know if he can take them back up. I don’t see a pedigree, don’t see super draftee steals, do see horrible trading ability, and free agent signings
    . Sorry, but, until I see something positive, I will remain a disgruntled fan, PERIOD.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m not sure what a super draftee steal is but Jordan Howard in the 5th rd was the best low rd pick by a Bears GM in decades.

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