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Thoughts on the 2017 Bears Draft Class

| April 30th, 2017

I don’t have much to say that’s not already out there. So here are a few quick hits.

  • Whole draft will be about Trubisky. The rest of this class can turn into All-Pros and nobody will care if Mitch Trubisky stinks. That’s the nature of making a splashy move for a quarterback in the first round.
  • Said it on Twitter and I’ll say it here. People who booed Trubisky at the United Center should be ashamed of themselves. All the kid did was excel at a sport and get drafted to play it professionally. If you don’t like the selection, drive your worthless ass to Lake Forest and roll down the window. Classless bullshit that belongs in Philadelphia, not Chicago.
  • Adam Shaheen and Tarik Cohen are the kinds of picks I like. Extraordinary talents with high upside. If Ryan Pace hits on those two guys the Bears offense just became far more dynamic.
  • Eddie Jackson. Didn’t know he was in this draft. Seriously. Just didn’t know. But he was my favorite player on that Bama defense that featured three first-round picks. Hopefully his injury problems are behind him. But if he’s healthy in Bourbonnais it will be hard to keep him off the field.
  • The Bears coached guard Jordan Morgan at the Senior Bowl and fell in love with him. Depth this year. Sitton’s heir apparent would be the hope.
  • Rarely do I say this but because their last pick was in the fifth round and they only made five total, the Bears will be disappointed if 3-4 of these picks don’t become serious players. Usually you want 3-4 out of 7. Bears want 3-4 out of 5. Not easy. But doable.
  • But it’s all about Trubisky.

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  • chitownproud85

    woo 2017 is going to be rough. for everyone not standing on the ledge(or have already flung themselves off) whats are we thinking for the floor/ceiling this year? 2 wins, 6 wins, depending on Glennon’s actual floor/ceiling. Whats the most positive potential outcome(team wise, not necessarily record wise)? Negative? In an era of sub .500 seasons, finding story lines is an exercise in analyzing mediocrity and hope.

    • SC Dave

      Pace took some big swings. Of them, I think I like the Shaheen pick the best.

      But you never know how things will turn out. Maybe the Howard / Cohen will be unstoppable.

      • chitownproud85

        Makes me wonder if we had still had our 3rd round pick if we would have taken him in the 2nd still or waited to increase the value? its clear they REALLY, REALLY liked him, and wanted to make sure he was on the team. No 3rd rounder may have led them to say “if not now, then never” and pull the trigger. Feels icky for a 2nd rounder, but goddamn physically that guy is a monster and although his video is as D2 as it gets, those hands were certainly snagging those D2 balls with confidence and skill.

        • MB30SD

          But that’s the problem, it’s easy to make those catches against high school kids.

          Would he have had the same stats against guys like Ruben foster and Jamal Adams?

          That’s my thing, you really take a D2 guy with a high 2?!

          Pace is either coming out of this year looking like Jim finks… Or (name of any browns gm in the last 20 years).

          What’s the probability of the first with this bunch. Guess we’ll find out.

          • MrPoopoopachu

            From what I read leading up to the draft, Shaheen was graded among TEs anywhere from 2nd to 5th. He wound up the fifth TE selected (#45; after Howard, Engram, NJoku and Everett before him). More often than not the other teams dictate where you’ll select a player, and that’s what happened here. Playing DII be damned, the kid absolutely dominated on that level and was on every single team’s draft board. Here’s to hoping Chicago got a stud.

          • MB30SD

            Sure.

            I do like the positive outlook, I just don’t like drafting D2 players, they very rarely work out in the NFL. The jump is just too big no matter how much they dominated second tier high school guys

          • MrPoopoopachu

            Taking calculated risks is the formula to success in nearly every aspect of life. Success and great rewards seldom fall into your lap. Every now and then you have to take that shot.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That explains round one. It shows desperation in 2. And the rest were ass-to-mouth picks.

          • MB30SD

            What do you do when your best shot is a fucking debacle. He just staked the next 5 years of our success on a one year wonder from a shitty school that they talked to once and didn’t even work out. That’s just a dude putting it all on black. We talked to the kid ONCE.

            HE was shocked we picked him. That does in no shape or form sound like calculated Anything to me… But what the fuck do I know.

          • CanadaBear

            If all of your due diligence points to the kid being a quality person with his head on straight and everyone connected to him says the same things, do you really need to meet with him multiple times? I think it was Pace being sneaky and laying low a lot more than being impulsive.

          • MB30SD

            What DD, they met him once… I assume at the sr. bowl? I don’t know when or for how long, but I know he was surprised as hell and said I only talked to them once and never since… and we didn’t even work him out, right?

            100 fucking %.

            I NEVER hire ANYONE without at least 2 in person interviews. You simply can’t get a feel for a person in less than that. Can’t. Impossible.

            You’re going to take the word of his coaches Canada?!?! This comment is not like you man. I get you’re trying to be positive but let’s keep it real my man.

            For a guy you are mortgage the next 2-5 years for, you bring him in for an entire day, work him out, talk, get to know him, put him through his paces, then invite him back for another 3 – 4 hr chat session. You just do man

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just trying to come up with an alternate scenario. Although when you hire someone vs drafting someone is apples vs oranges. There’s no doubt in my mind Pace or scouts talked to coaches, players, teachers, etc. That’s something you can’t do. These guys are looking into their character for months. You can’t afford to do that. None of that bothered me as much as the small school picks. They don’t work out all that often and Pace made 3 of those picks. At least the last one, the guy played for the staff at the Senior Bowl.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, it was just way too much risk for me… Especially where we are and have been. Sure if it works out it will be awesome, but if it doesn’t we just blew the entire 17 draft and set up back to ground 0.

            We agree on the small school stuff. Just don’t get it. Like pace threw everything out the door and did a strategy 180. My mind is kinda blown right now.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            this meeting with him once storyline is kind of a farce.
            1. Talked with him at Combine.
            2. Bears had head scouts at pro day – director of college scouting Mark Sadowski, nat’l scout Ryan Kessenich & area scout Chris Prescott
            3. Bears also had a private workout

            So while it is true that the Bears only met privately with him once, there were more interactions but nothing at Halas Hall. I think when Trubisky states he didn’t have much contact with the Bears he was talking comparatively. Other teams reached out and talked to him more.

          • MB30SD

            thanks for the clarification.

            Doesn’t change my thought on it one bit on the risk vs the level of DD.

          • MrPoopoopachu

            Agreed. Fans and media will never know the true story. That’s just how it is. Assuming the Bears mishandled the draft process or mislead internal partners is nothing more than speculation at best. For me it comes down to the Bears finally being in a position to select the #1 graded QB available and they took the shot to secure him. Finally. Now we wait to see how it turns out.

          • Sahr Gborie

            #1based on who’s views. Pace? You? Me? The rest of the football world?

            Most of us would be ok with Mitchell if we did not trade for him. If we we drafted defense the rest of the draft or at least round 2-4.

          • It was obviously Pace being sneaky. He even joked about wearing disguises in the stands.

            Pace didn’t want to tip off to other teams that he wanted Trub so that they would be lured into a false state of security.

            He wanted the Jags, Jets, Cards, Chiefs? Browns thinking, “Ok, Bears are going Thomas/Adams at #3, so we can snatch Trub later”

            Pace’s ideal was to land Trub at #3.

            Only problem was, Jets and Co weren’t buying it, and they KNEW Pace wanted Trub and started bidding.

            This lead to Pace having to trade away his precious draft stock, but he got his guy, for better or worse.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Positive outlooks are for life, not draft analysis, man.

            Jefe is worried about getting any interviews, so he has to blow smoke up the ass of Halas Hall and every damn player.

            That was a terrible fucking draft and we don’t need three years to see it.

          • MB30SD

            Oh we agree, but we do need to actually see what happens before crowning his ass

          • Who was the last great D2 player?

            Anyone know?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He wound up the 5th because of our insane GM.

            6th round reach.

          • MrPoopoopachu

            That’s just not a realistic POV. Seven other TEs were selected before the 6th round, after Shaheen was picked. The Bears wanted him and felt he wouldn’t be there in the 3rd.

          • CanadaBear

            Don’t use facts and reason, it will do no good.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah… we’ll know in a couple of years.

            “If we want to be great you can’t sit on your hands,” Pace said. “I
            don’t want to be average around here, and these are the moves you have
            to make.”

            This guy is swinging for the fences big time. The common characteristic among all his picks this year (and probably overall if we went back to look at them) are very high perceived ceilings. What if we have just drafted Brees, Graham, Sproles, and our best punt returner not named Hester or Sayers?

            I’m going to be optimistic about this, at least on offense. We have upgraded IMO, except perhaps at WR.

            On defense, we are alleged to have one of the best coordinators out there, and a top shelf secondary coach.

            There are eight guys on the roster at DB that have not started their third year yet. Granted, it’s hard to make silk purses from sow’s ears, but if the staff is all it’s cracked up to be, we should get a couple serviceable starters and a couple of less-than-abject-disaster backups/STs.

            The inside linebacker situation is, admittedly, pretty grim. For now, we have to rely on Freeman staying on the field, and wish that Kwiat becomes a solid starter unless Trevathan is not as done as I fear. Depth is a YUGE problem, as Timu, Jones, and Anderson appear JAGs on their career days.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, I just wonder what we’d look like next year with Thomas, foster, a stud cb pick up in the second, and we might still have had one of our 4ths, and a sixth.

            We just paid Glennon 18, why not see how that turns out instead of mortgaging our entire draft on a 1 year guy at a non competitive school/division.

            Anyway, it’s done and we’ll just have to see.

            My one saving Grace is hopefully going to be the bama safety. I hope he comes back healthy and lights it up.

            Unless the D2 TE turns into gronk or girly thor, I think it was a totally wasted #2

          • Irish Sweetness

            Where does Foster play in our 3-4??

            Strapped in.

          • MB30SD

            Everywhere and all over the field. Wagner 2.0

          • SC Dave

            You know that’s what I wanted too, MB, but as you say, it’s done.

            Bear Down.

          • You have a hard-on for hard hitting safeties.

            Jackson is not that.

            He’s more in the Hooker mold.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “We have upgraded IMO, except perhaps at WR.”

            (facepalm)

            “we are alleged to have one of the best coordinators out there”

            Alleged?

            Does anyone here think for themselves? Serious question. Do you read and parrot what rings a bell, or do you actually think about things?

            Vica Fangio’s defense has topped the league in not blitzing %wise … for the last two seasons.

            Now I’ll strap myself in here, and you explain to me how that’s a good thing for a defense, pointing to real-life defenses that were also pussies that we should emulate.

            Strapped in. All ears.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No. Jim Finks was the real deal.

            He can’t possibly ever look like Jim Finks. We were getting ready to win a superbowl in year 2 of Ditka’s reign. GSH was barely cold.

          • MB30SD

            I was making a point that if trubs or glennon for that matter turn out to be a Ryan/flaco/Romo all will be absolved and he will look like a genius.

            My issue is his math looks upside down. The probability and risk are upside down

          • SC Dave

            Finks was hired by the Bears in 1974. They made the playoffs in 1977 and reached them at 10-6 in 1979 and were not in the playoffs again until 1984.

            It took time, and a lot of it, to overcome the Dooley/Gibron years. Just like it will take time to overcome Emery.

          • Dooley!

        • SC Dave

          I doubt he would have lasted to the 3rd. It was not just the Bears that knew about him.

        • Irish Sweetness

          6th round.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The best??? You think anyone was drafting him before the 6th, if at all?

        A small-school TE in the second … with Budda Baker and Obi Melifonwu still on the board …. mmkay.

        Jake Butt was there in the 5th. Desmond King also.

        But let’s completely over-reach on a TE in the 2nd?

        • SC Dave

          Did you read anything posted by the others about interest across the league in Shaheen, or are you deliberately writing bizarre shit?

    • Big Mike

      Last year’s team with reasonable health was a 7-9 win club. We’re not worse anywhere except WR. If you think we are, I’m interested in knowing where we are worse. We didn’t roll out our planned roster except in week 1. After that we were juggling spare parts.

      • chitownproud85

        Understood, but I struggle to add wins where they havent been. This team hasnt won half its games in quite some time, and trying to pencil them in to do so just doesnt make sense to me. I think assuming “reasonable health” could realistically double a teams win total(then from 3 to 6) but I’m still not sure I see .500. I said 6 or 7 wins last year, and yes, I could see that this year. Again, this is ASSUMING health, and even that feels like a bold assumption anymore.

        • Big Mike

          So, losing White, Fuller, Goldman, Trevathan, Cutler, Alshon, Ferguson, Grasu, Mcphee, Marques Wilson, Royal, etc, wasn’t worth 2 games last year? The Bears had far more than the league average in injuries. Worse, they lost them in concentrated areas, WR, DBs, QB. They were playing a JV defensive backfield. You don’t have to assume health, you just have to project an average number of injuires.

          • chitownproud85

            I said I think its worth 3 games, going from 3 wins to 6 or 7

          • Big Mike

            Can’t disagree. 3-4. 5 with no starter injuries.

            Get Outlook for iOS

          • BerwynBomber

            “The Bears had far more than the league average in injuries.”

            The whole NFCN was a MASH unit at one point or the other.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Ceiling 16-0
      Floor 15-1

  • Sahr Gborie

    We can pull off 6 wins this season based on the team we had last year. We are pretty much putting the same product out there. Hopefully it will look and function as intended if the injuries are kept to a minimum.

    I’m just not excited for the season. I was looking forward to a draft that would lead to a defensive resurgence. Seriously even as good as they can be what are the chances of making the playoffs with this unit?

    Maybe Glennon will suprise me but I don’t feel the false sense of hope if years gone by.

    • SC Dave

      We have upgrades at safety, tight end, speed RB, punt returner, and very probably quarterback.

      I could see eight wins, but not much more.

      • MrPoopoopachu

        Let’s not forget the solid FA additions at DB. They’ve vastly improved CB depth by adding Amukamara and Cooper to the mix of youth, as well as Demps at S.

        • MB30SD

          Wow, great user name

        • MB30SD

          Demps is 33 this year. If he goes down we better hope bama’s leg is good.

          That’s the only pick of paces’ I like… IFF he can get healthy

          • CanadaBear

            Not to put too fine of a point on it but he will be 32 this year. Born in ’85.

          • MB30SD

            Phew!!! Ok, all good. Never mind.

            Hahahaha ; )

          • CanadaBear

            I knew that would make all the difference in the world.

      • Big Mike

        It was a 7-9 win team last year, until they lost their starting QB, WRs DBs etc. The only position that is worse than it was last year, is WR. Where else did they go backwards? Injuries and Glennon will tell the story. Still a 7-9 win team.

      • BerwynBomber

        Almost certainly an upgrade at QB given the overall play of Cutler/Hoyer/Barkley as only Hoyer played well.

        Big question is whether Glennon/Trubisky can equal an average Cutler season. I’d put that one between possible/probable.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Hoyer played well. Ho-leeeee.

          By playing well I can only assume you mean he did everything he could with the football that was above 80% probability of success. Zero risk. zero attempt to win.

          He played so well we cut the shit out of him.

          • BerwynBomber

            In comparison to Cutler and Barkley …

          • Irish Sweetness

            BEEP BEEEP BEEEP!

    • leftcoast dave

      Same team?
      Secondary with six new players (including Fuller), four veterans to learn up the yoots?
      LB- McPhee, who was our best, hopefully coming back strong.
      DL- Healthy with Goldman returning and two prospects bulking up in the off season.

      TE HUGE talent infusion.
      RB-Two speed merchants to complement Jordan Howard.
      WR’s deeper and steadier, but losing one talent with tude.
      OL returning with Long a question mark, but deeper and solid.

      Same team?

      • Irish Sweetness

        New means good?

        How is the OL deeper and solid with a question mark over Long? We don’t have two OTs I like, never mind depth.

        The defense is an unknown quantity. Questionable LBs and DBs. Brutal DC calling the shots.

        I’ll watch with interest this season, but am expecting absolutely nothing.

        • Cubsnlinux

          The expectation was actually laughable. You got to be extremely lucky to have any sort of “resurgence” through the draft. With our 2016 roster expecting to be in the playoffs and building for sustained success go against each other.

  • SC Dave

    I like this guys rant during the first half of this thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00p5CUs1sAI

    • chitownproud85

      yup.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog By the way, Chicago, thanks for the weather. Nothing makes picking up large quantities of books easier than a driving, windy rain storm.”

    Yeah, been brutal here. Three straight days of rain. Seems like we’ve had a foot an a half since the beginning of March. A drought would be welcome.

    • CanadaBear

      A week or so ago the news crew was giving the weather lady grief about all the rain here. She came back with this stat. We have had 8 dry days in the last 60. Basically one day a week it didn’t rain for two months. We’ve had plenty more since. Of course, I did move to a temperate climate/rain forest.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Wow, is Jefe trying to keep everyone sweet or what?

    That was in all probability a terrible draft. Over-reached on the first two picks. And it was all disappointing thereafter.

    “If Ryan Pace hits on those two guys the Bears offense just became far more dynamic.”

    Tarik Cohen has upside? Jebus fkn Christmas. The child is 5’6. Samaje Perrine was there before that.

    You can say that about any pick. Shaheen cost us Obi Melifonwu or Budda Baker, depending on your preference – surely he was a 5th/6th rounder? The safety Jefe is love with not only broke his leg, but can’t tackle, according to the scouts.

    If Trubisky works out, sure, Pace will get a pass.

    But it could have looked like this – the auto-pick draft:

    1. Watson
    2. Obi
    3. OLB Jordan Willis
    4. Samaje Perrine
    4. Jake Butt
    5. Desmond King
    7. Kicker!

    You want that .. .or what you got?

    • MB30SD

      For once… We are 100% aligned.

      Looking outside in, and without actually seeing miracles​ happen and odds turned on their heads… This draft looks to be an absurdity… On the whole.

      • Irish Sweetness

        How did that build go?

        I asked you yesterday if you were in a partnership or a company. If it’s the former, then turn it into the latter ASAP.

        • MB30SD

          C-corp with institutional money backing my brother. I don’t go little if I’m goin’.

          Looking good today. not many bugs thank god. We completely rewrote our auth, like from top to bottom. Kind of a big deal. hahaha

    • CanadaBear

      Every year you go though this. You have the guys you want and when Pace doesn’t take them you go ballistic for days. How ’bout we actually give them a chance and see if they have the goods? I’m not crazy about this draft either but Pace and his scouts have been on the trail for months. I’ve been sitting on my ass reading the blog. Pretty sure Pace knows more about this than me. He had a really good draft last year. That’s the only one in about a decade.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I will give them a chance C-Bear, until it becomes clear that they are taking up space. Only took me a few hours to deal with the first pick/trade.

        But the rest of the draft unfortunately touches the future and remains evident.

        Looking forward to Mitch. Next year. I was hoping for defense this year though.

        The day after we’re allowed to vent. But I’m venting not because I didn’t get “my” guys, but because of the guys he got. I won’t repeat why, promise.

        • CanadaBear

          Me too. Not trying to give ya a hard time.

    • Cubsnlinux

      Yes, it could have. But that doesn’t sync up with what Pace had thought of. It is ok to feel disappointed and express displeasure now and later totally lose shit if these picks don’t pan out eventually. But it is very juvenile to throw obscenities at Pace just because he evaluated players differently and chose to go a different route. Pace bet his career and should be canned if the high risk buys don’t pay out because that’s the nature of the job. But to say he is stupid, dumb etc because the picks I made from my couch doesn’t match up with his is insane.

      • MB30SD

        Pretty much this. Guess I’m just shocked he went *this* high risk. In the scope of high risk for a first time GM, this was an 11 (it cannot go any higher).

        And let’s say the trubz gamble was an 11, then I personally would try to make the rest of my draft as low risk as possible to balance the first pick out… But uh, yeah, these go to 11… Right across the board. They all go to 11.

        Yikes.

        • CanadaBear

          I didn’t think the S pick was a reach. I liked that one. I trust BB’s opinion and he says he’s a player. The OL pick I was OK with because the staff coached him at the Senior Bowl but the TE and RB picks really set off your radar. Hope they pan out but it seems unlikely both will. FUCK!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Des king was described as having “off the charts football instincts”, C-Bear.

            The guy we drafted broke his leg and scout report says he can’t tackle.

            Obi, Budda, Des King.

            All were draftable game-changers by the Chicago Bears, and we could have had two of the three.

            Trust in Pace and take Eddie Jackson by all means. I think they drafted him as a returner.

            We’ll see.

          • CanadaBear

            You read what you want to read and believe what you want to believe. A scout said he can’t tackle. Well by all means he’s off my board. The bama guy was the spark plug of that D until he went down. I hate that he’s got an injury history but it was the 4th rd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s how Pace would justify not taking Baker/Obi/King when he had opportunities to do so.

            For that guy.

            Is he saying this guy is a better safety?

          • CanadaBear

            I think you’ll have to ask him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I would like to.

          • Bender McLugh

            I think it was more about talking Shaheen over any S.

          • Pace decided that Sasheen was gonna be a better TE than all those S/CBs would be better at their job.

            Sasheen will now be judged against Buddha’s career.

          • I liked Desdmond King.

            Was surprised he fell that far, which makes me think, either I’m crazy or the NFL is.

          • Bender McLugh

            It’s hard to believe only 1 D player drafted

          • SC Dave

            If one does, it’s good enough.

        • Cubsnlinux

          I agree. None of these picks went by the book. I may be wrong but I think George McCaskey saw how Ricketts completely bought into his front office plan and let it all play out. I think he was influenced by what he saw. Inline with some leaks Pace seems to have presented his strategy to him and he signed off. Pace is certainly not running a sprint and he isn’t worried 2 cents about his job security for the next 2-3 years. He will most definitely get another HC.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s not been given the pieces. The defense – my keystone to all things Bears – is pants. It’s toothless, largely because of the ball-less, soul-less, cock-knocker in charge of it. But the ‘backers just aren’t there. We have 3Ts playing 5T.

            I think Malik McDowell went the spot before us in round two. There was a time to move up one spot if ever there was one. Obi and Budda sitting right there anyway. Damn.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh no, I’m fine with Rd.1 now.

          Everything else afterwards … was like shitting the bed … in somebody else’s home.

          You with?

        • Bender McLugh

          All in baby

        • Sahr Gborie

          Next year in a super loaded offense draft Pace will go all defense

      • Irish Sweetness

        No, he’s not dumb. He got his guy on day one, quite possibly fending off two teams, if John Lynch is to be believed.

        What truly is unbelievable is what happened in the next rounds. Trubisky we’ll have fun with, in three years, that’s fine. It was what happened after the first.

        Those choices will stretch long into the future. One good draft can put you over the top as a SB team. We might have had about the worst right there. Even if Trubs works out, we passed up two starting safeties – a pairing – to gain bullshit picks below the krill-heavy upper stream.

        We can vent and bitch about it for a day or two, and then move on to see what happens, not with Trubisky, but with Gummo. Just so disappointed in the haul. Especially after last year’s.

        • Cubsnlinux

          Fair enough.

      • Sahr Gborie

        To hell with his career. We will always be Bears fans long after he is gone. How do I explain this to my kids man. My kids need an explanation

        • SC Dave

          Explain what? Gawd, all the ‘henny penny’s here

    • You’ll forgive me for not taking draft analysis seriously when it comes from somebody who thought the Bears don’t need to draft a QB because they have Connor Shaw.

      Trubisky was the NFL’s consensus top QB. Those guys pretty much always go really high. There is no way to say that was a reach. Maybe he didn’t have to trade up from 3 to 2, maybe he did. It has been widely reported multiple other teams wanted to trade up for Trubisky, though maybe they weren’t willing to pay to go to #2 and do so.

      According to Benjamin Allbright, who covers Denver, the Broncos were set to take Shaheen with their 2nd round pick. There were multiple reports in the month leading up to the draft that he would be a top 50 pick, and he went 45th. Hardly seems like a reach, but he’s a guy most casual fans haven’t heard of, so he’s therefore a terrible pick.

      Personally, I would have taken Watson and wanted Budda in round 2. Pace obviously disagreed. it’s his career on the line, not mine, so I’m a-ok with him making those decisions. I hope he’s right and I’m wrong.

      Fans hated the Shea pick; they were right. Fans hated the Kyle Long pick; they were wrong. Fans hated the Leonard Floyd pick; they were wrong.

      It seems in general fans get wrapped up in “their guys” and get pissed when the team drafts differently. Instead of all of this absurd instant grading, how about we just acknowledge this was an incredibly risky draft that will ride or die with Trubisky and see what happens over the next 2-3 years?

      • Everybody and their mother has a draft grade for every team today. These guys haven’t even had an NFL practice yet. Who cares?

        You can always find examples of teams who win the instant analysis draft grades and end up with a shitty draft class, or vice-versa. It’s as pointless as trying to predict the draft before it happens.

        Here’s what we can say right now:
        1) it’s a small draft class, which decreases the margin for error.
        2) They went all in on Mitch Trubisky, which is the riskiest move a franchise can make, but also one of the most necessary when they don’t have a QB.
        3) Every player was drafted with a specific role in mind that wasn’t currently on the roster, often looking more to 2018 and beyond than 2017. They didn’t have a QB of the future, a TE who can block and catch, a S who’s more of a coverage guy than small linebacker in run support, a jitterbug RB who can catch, or a G to replace Sitton (likely) after this year. They now have guys they believe can do all of those things. Time will tell how many of them will pan out.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Okay.

          Where’s the new hybrid LB/S on our roster? Where’s Kam? There were three or four in the draft.

          The Packers just drafted two big DBs with their first two picks.

          • SC Dave

            We don’t need one since they are, after all, “tweeners”. Which you have rabidly fulminated against on multiple occasions on this blog.

      • And I say this to myself too. I thought Long was a horrible pick. I thought Ferguson was awful, but Sutton was amazing. I loved the Grasu pick, etc.

        We all get some right and some wrong. Trying to predict which is which before the fact is pointless.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Grasu is still a player. He got injured. We’ll need him.

        • MB30SD

          sure, but long had pedigree and his dad vouching for him… and played for one of the most dominant teams in the nation (at the time).

          D2 kids are just more massive gambles based on real/actual nfl history/numbers.

          Pace just seemed to say fuck it… this is going to be my career make/break draft.

          Gotta at least say the dude has bigger balls than me, fuck no would I risk my career on the guys he picked. No way in hell.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He looks like a thing in the run-blocking game for sure (can he block?)

            But over Obi or Budda? Never. Not possible.

          • MB30SD

            didn’t I read that the knock on the big TE is that he’s NOT good at blocking?!

            http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/adam-shaheen?id=2558144

            “He’s a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame”

            Against glorified high school kids?!?! Sigh.

          • Bender McLugh

            He’s 100% receiving threat, mismatch against all db’s. Pace valued that higher than all of the D remaining to be drafted. I hope he’s right.

          • MB30SD

            at a 4.8? I don’t know man. He ain’t our running ANYONE.

            I just pray he’s Jason Witten 2.0.

            biiiiiiiiiig ass shoes to fill. I’d feel a whole lot better about him if he’s have played for bama, clemson, sc, etc… not against 2nd year high school seniors

          • Bender McLugh

            Wouldn’t we all

          • Bender McLugh

            He laid his cock & balls on the table. Party foul?

          • MB30SD

            bigtime. Not if your cock is huge and everyone is like… DEEEEUUUUM!!

            But when you realize that the place you threw it down was where they JUST made insanely hot salsa… then you have a problem.

          • Johnnywad

            Hahahaha. His dad vouched for him.

            I know it’s Howie, but still, you gotta admit that’s funny.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            didn’t Ray McDonald’s mom vouch for him?

          • I vouch for my schlong all the time.
            Hehe. Schlong

          • Johnnywad

            Yes. And Aaron Hernandez’s mom said he wasn’t even there.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            OJ’s mom said he had a phobia of knives.

          • MB30SD

            it would be, if his dad wasn’t a HOFer and a football analyst on duh tv.

        • Ososfan

          Omg Ferguson. Smh. 1 sack in his college career and considered lazy, but with a lot of potential. Smh.

        • It’s not necessarily about hating picks but who one wants instead.
          I hated the Long pick but that’s cuz i wanted Eifert (who was drafted right after). Some hated White cuz they wanted Beasly.
          Everyone hated Shea cuz Jones and Mercilus were still there
          So hating certain draftees is not necassarily black and white if your alternative is justvas good ( or better).
          I think u yourself wanted Beasly over White

          • BerwynBomber

            Criticism via a PoN prism can apply as well. Many thought we needed to draft a CB this year (in a CB-rich draft). We didn’t. Personally, I wasn’t crazy about the Machine if only because I thought Sims/Miller/Brown could hold down the fort for a year.

            I also never liked the White pick not because I foresaw his injuries (or was dubious of his limited D1 career) but because a) we had just given Cutty a bunch of toys and it hadn’t worked that well, and b) a WR in the top 10 did not seem our most pressing need.

            But I’m almost always in the BPA w/in PoN context camp (which is basically the PoN camp), especially in the early rounds. Some prefer pure BPA.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Sorry Data, I never said that, I wanted Watson. That was printed more than once. I’d have had either though. Whoever was left.

        Being the NFL Consensus anything means shit to me. They get that wrong all the time. How about Kevin White? #2 receiver in the draft. We’ll see. They were trying to bump McCaffrey up over Fournette.

        Trubisky’s CV does NOT make him the best QB in college though. You just need eyeballs to see through that shit.

        Who’s to say a kid that went 8-5 after riding the bench for two years – and with a less than memorable last 4 games – is THAT MUCH BETTER than a kid who goes 32-3 and was rated over 150 each of his three full seasons? It’s projection they have to be doing, not judging them as-is.

        Where is the sense in that?

        • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

          Where is the sense in projection? Is that seriously what you’re asking?

        • OK. lemme try another approach.

          What’s the difference between Watson and Kaepernick?

          Kaep has a stronger arm. Bigger more athletic frame. Faster. Coached by one of the greatest QB coaches in Harbs. More experienced in NFL offenses. More experienced winning some NFCCs and nearly SB. Proven durable. In his prime.

          Isn’t Watson just a poor-man’s Kaep?

          Sure, Watson has more intangibles, but what did that get Tebus the GREATEST COLLEGE QB of all time?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        1st sentence for the WIN!!!

      • BerwynBomber

        Well said.

        Your point about the Machine gets to a larger point about post-draft grades in the days following. Half of them seem based on big names from big programs. So yes, Irish’s list sure looks nice. (I barely looked at YT highlights of any kids this year and even I recognized every guy on his list but Willis.) But once you get past PoN evaluations, grading these drafts this early is about as accurate as mocks, or hell, drafting itself.

        I wasn’t crazy about what the Bears did — personally I would have waited another year to draft a first round QB — but I am willing to remain open to the idea that Pace did a decent job.

        The bottom line is that no one has the secret formula for drafting. Even Belichick and the Pats miss.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Belichick and the Pats miss a lot.

          • BerwynBomber

            Rhetorical (they’re my gold standard for an NFL organization even if I detest their fans and Brady)

      • Ososfan

        I loved the Kyle Long pick. Was extremely confused with the Shea pick. Mercilus and Jones were still there, still better and stronger and faster. Everyone thought we were switching to 3-4 after Shea. Horrible. The guys I liked were mostly OLB peeps. I think we need help there the most….

        • BerwynBomber

          I wasn’t crazy about the Machine but not because he was an unknown guy form Podunk Tech. Rather, Miller/Sims/Brown seemed to suffice (given our D needs). I would have rolled with them.

          But hey, let’s see what the big guy can do.

          • TEs are slow developers, esp ones from DeVry tech.

            Sasheen will likely get the Angelo red-shirt special along with Trub, which can’t exactly thrill Fox coaching for his job and career.

          • CanadaBear

            I think he plays a lot. Esp in the red zone. I read somewhere he has a badass attitude (in a good way). If that’s the case, he will learn to block. Blocking is all about want to.

        • King of DBB

          My opinions are all archived on this blog.

          If Data bothered to look, he would see I liked the Long pick and was good with the Floyd pick.

      • Johnnywad

        I wish I could have said it this well. Well done Wood.

      • Don’t forget Irish also wanted Fitz over Cargo (and let’s not forget his Fales crush) and Fournette at # 3

        Love u irish, but sometimes u cray cray

    • Johnnywad

      Tell that to Darren Sproles.

      • Or Garrett Wolfe.
        Time shall tell.
        To me this seemed like Pace covering his own ass.
        He knows his job is now tied to Trub, so he was gonna do everything possible to protect his investment (beginning w signing Glennon).
        If the D sucks but Glennon -Trub looks at worst like Tannenhill , ppl will call for the DCs head not his.

        • Johnnywad

          Boy. I don’t see Pace trying to cover his ass AT ALL. Looks to me like he’s left his ass hangin out there big time.
          Looks to me like he took anything but the safe route and is swinging for the fences.

          • He’s covering for his yuge gamble. In some ways he’s doing an antiAngelo who once he swung for Cargo called it day on O.
            Pace got Trub and decided to start giving him weapons from day 1.
            Up next. WR (if all these guys flame out)

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            nope don’t need WR. Pace got BRAVERMAN last year.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m not sure Angleo wasn’t right in that regard.

            Look at the Cheese and Saints. First ballot HoF QBs and one can’t get to the playoffs because of lousy D and one can’t win enough in the playoffs because of a lousy D.

            More and more I’m thinking you get a franchise QB, you build a D. Then Specials and an OL. (O skill guys come last.) And even if Angelo was mistaken in his assessment of Cutler, he thought he had his franchise QB.

            Moreover, what kept Cutler a .500 W-L most of his career? Basically, D and Specials. Otherwise, his W-L looks like Fitzpatrick’s.

          • Ppl probably only think of me as a Cutty hater now, but for YEARS I was on board with him. In fact, up until last season. And even after the Vike’s game, I was “Well, can it be?” But in retrospect that was prolly my own meathead hope fogging up reality.

            I was totally on board with Angelo dealing for Cutty. PB QB, young and in his prime?

            What’s there NOT to like? (we found out painfully, but alas…)

            Pace now throws down his gambit. Trub is not a PB QB with A+ arm, athleticism, and pedigree, but neither did he cost us what Cutler did.

            So, I say, fuck it. Give the kid a chance

            The difference between me personally is that when we signed Cutler I was ecstatic.

            (ahhh to be young and foolish)

            This time around, my reaction wasn’t a fist pump, but a “hmmmmmm”

            With Cutler I started off as a believer. With Trub my gauge is already set squarely in the mid as “agnostic”.

            Hopefully Trub makes a believer of us all.

          • SC Dave

            You forgot turnovers

    • Joecashflow

      I want that and I’m heading back to Phuket. We got chicken dinnered again.

  • Irish Sweetness

    81. Chil’e please.

    • MB30SD

      For may, that’s pretty hot here.

      I don’t live in a sweltering equatorial jungle yo

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’re in the season of 104 here. Every fkn day. 104. What counts as a fever, no?

        Night-time?

        Then it’s 82, yo.

        • MB30SD

          that’s not the killer… what’s the humidity 100%?

          THAT’S he killer

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not much.

  • George Hotchkiss

    I have been reading Da Bears Blog for about 5 years. I have seen a change in the tone of the comments over those years. The comments used to be a lot tougher on the coaches and GM than they are now. When a corporation has it’s shareholders meeting. the CEO can expect to have his butt handed to him or her, if the stock price and dividends went down, period end of sentence. If the Bears were a corporation their stock price would be dismal, and there would be no dividends. This is the third draft for Pace and company. Pace has said he wanted to “build through the draft”, his words. Yet, here in year three only five players were drafted, and none of them are sure things (I know there is no sure thing). Folks if we don’t get the torches and pitch forks out now, the Bears management will allow Pace to take 5 years to see if anything happens. Five year plans didn’t work for the Soviet Union, and they don’t appear to be working for the Bears.
    The Bears have to remember they are playing with our money. Not a penny that is spent on the team is not provided by us, the fans. We need to see a plan, if this is a write off year, then Pace has to convince us it is worth the pain. I see no plan, I see no momentum, I see the Bears as the butt of jokes around the league.
    I want to take a moment to touch on Mitch Trubisky. He seems like a good kid. His NFL future is a big question mark. If the Bears didn’t draft him, he would probably gone in the first round, not because he is a slam dunk quarterback, but because quarterbacks that can play in the NFL are scarce, therefore their value goes up. Good luck to Mr. Trubisky, but Mike Glennon got crapped on by the Bears.

    If the Bears stay healy and win 7 or 8 games, they still have no core. There is no plan that I can see for a long term future. The Bears are excellant at nothing right now. There does not appear to be a plan for excellance. To my fellow fans, expect more, demand more, we have to let the McCaskeys know we are pissed and tired of waiting, either win or sell the team. Maybe us fans should buy the team, I’m pretty sure we couldn’t do any worse than the current ownership…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well said George.

      Actually, I must pay kudos to Pace for his Glennon/Sanchez move, knowing he was taking Trubisky. Starter and mentor in place to raise the kid right. No pressure to start cos everyone knows he’s not ready. No pressure. I like it.

      Third draft though.

      Remember what Ditka said on day one? Three years if you’ll walk with me, but a lot of you won’t be here”. And he meant every word. And he was right.

      What was the difference between the ’84 and the ’85 Bears?

      Time.

      Do we look like the ’84 Bears? Were we in the playoffs?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Who cares what Ditka thinks when it comes to drafting. He gave up an entire draft for Ricky Williams.

        • SC Dave

          That’s because he was a small mind offensively, and was looking for his next Walter to bail him out from being clueless.

    • Cubsnlinux

      Your points are well made. Pace can only “convince” us when his draft pick pan out, period and end of story. There is no grey area here it is completely binary. Pace made his picks and he will be evaulated on how these picks perform. Pace is not responsible for all the disastrous drafts before he came just like Epstein wasn’t for the Cubs.

      • Bender McLugh

        He’s definitely doing his own thing, offense drafting over defense. Not what we were expecting

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Looking back with all the FA signings on D it should not have been all that unexpected.

          • The thing is no one expected Pace to draft “competition” to HJQ at FS. We expected him to draft a sure fire starter over him esp in such a deep secondary class.
            Bullard, Goldman, McPhee, Tre, Houston, Fuller come w their own question marks so adding more bodies there seemed prudent.
            But obviously Pace was more concerned w scoring more TDs than preventing them.
            Maybe he trusts Fangio.
            Maybe he believes in McPhee, Kwiat and even Amos much more than we do.
            Dunno.
            But this draft is rather deflating and will be until Trub takes the field and looks like Derrick Carr

          • Bender McLugh

            a healthy Bears D that is getting to the passer will make it sting much, much less.

        • Johnnywad

          And I’m not sure he’s wrong. The rules have been trending in such a way that they’re devaluing DBs. I can see why he’d like to build the best offense he can and plug and play with the back end of the D.

          We’ll see if it works.

          • That’s why i said Pace shifted paradigms on us and caught us by surprise.
            It wasn’t elite Ds which beat the puke in the playoffs.
            And look at the Jets and Bills who perennially feature good Ds w meh QBs getting owned for a decade plus by Brady (or the AFCS vs Peytons Colts)
            Pace said ‘fuck that’ .

          • Johnnywad

            Truf

          • Bender McLugh

            just need the D to stop the other team in the 4th mentality

        • SC Dave

          I guess I don’t see this as a problem. How much good has focus on defense done in the last 50+ years? Exactly one championship.

          • Bender McLugh

            it’s just unexpected. Here’s hoping he gets this right

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I really wish the Bears would crap on me like they did Mike Glennon

    • Have u read Buttonshoes, Sac, Waffle, etc?
      There’s still a lot of vocal critics of the Bears on here, and i think we ALL agree Phillips should be fired , but typing it for years on some blog isn’t gonna do shit.
      In fact, after this draft, it’ll be hard to find “in Pace we trust” banners

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        IN PACE I TRUST!!!!

        *NOTE that is not sarcasm.

      • BerwynBomber

        Irish, Malice and Joecash have been madly critical too.

        The blog has a nice mix of attitudes, styles, opinions, emotional behavior, maturity, etc.

  • Bender McLugh

    The Bills we are not. They just canned their entire scouting staff.

    Bills dismiss entire scouting staff
    http://www.thescore.com/news/1291869
    (via http://thesco.re/theScore_app )

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow.

      Guess what …

      • MB30SD

        it should be contagious?

        • Irish Sweetness

          We should do the same.

          • MB30SD

            that was my joke

          • Bender McLugh

            hilarious

          • MB30SD

            thanks, jerk

          • Bender McLugh

            Just a little salt

          • Bender McLugh

            You know I’m not happy, but I’m kinda drunkenly excited. Like I just drank from the wrong punch bowl at the party and know I’m in for a much different kind of night than I planned on

          • Bender McLugh

            Not happy, it was supposed to say

          • MB30SD
          • CanadaBear

            You can’t beat halucinegenics for pure entertainment.

        • BearDown100393

          You have to first have a scouting department before firing it.

  • Ososfan

    I’m here in Washington heights eating my sorrows away with some bazangin dominican food. If I gain 95 lbs. It’s on you Pace+ call me I’ll play OLB for a small fee of 2M a year.

    • Bender McLugh

      Enjoy! Whatchya drinkin?

  • Bender McLugh

    You can’t say Pace didn’t surprise us, as we all thought he would.

    • MB30SD

      yes, but we wanted surprise ‘hells yeah!’, not surprise ‘holy fucking shit are you serious!?!?!’

      • BearDown100393

        I don’t really care if fans or anyone else outside the pro environment understand Pace’s decisions. But it is cause for pause when those inside the NFL don’t understand either.

        • MB30SD

          exactly. scary.

        • I don’t know. I would kinda have to know which “insider” it is.

          Angelo was once a GM making decisions after all.

        • SC Dave

          No, it’s not.

  • MB30SD

    It’s never good when…

    https://imgflip.com/i/1o65yw

  • Bender McLugh
    • MB30SD

      Andy Phillips, K, Utah — A four-time All-Pac 12 selection set the Utes’ record with 84 field goals made.

      HBP will be ecstatic!

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I AM!
        however my favorite UDFA signed was Franko House, forward on the Ball State BASKETBALL team. Genius.

        http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/29/15489140/nfl-undrafted-free-agents-2017-bears-franko-house-basketball-player

        • MB30SD

          hahahahaha… that about sums up this draft

          • Bender McLugh

            It really does

        • Bender McLugh

          That is beauteous

        • SC Dave

          Pace must be expecting a lot of jump balls.

          Besides, they just wanted him because he spells Franko properly, like Nagurski spelled Bronko correctly.

        • SC Dave

          Doug Atkins wanted to play basketball too.

      • Bender McLugh

        Connor has some competition, lookout now.

        Short WR, hopefully he’s fast

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      yep. We all get pissed as fans when the player we want goes one pick ahead our spot. Now imagine you are the GM, how pissed would you get? What would you do to prevent it? Well we found out what Pace would do, and it involved trading up a couple mid round picks.

      • MB30SD

        yep, as I’ve said below, the pick wasn’t my big thing (although I don’t agree)… it was the execution. Moot point, it’s done.

        It will either work out well and we’ll start to be decent, then maybe even good… or pace will be emery 2.0 and we’ll be back wallowing in the muck of the NFL floor. The new browns.

        Here’s to the former happening!

        • Johnnywad

          Atta Boy.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          You are willing to condemn a guy to Emery status based on 1 draft pick. SAVAGE!

          • MB30SD

            If he busts… hell yes!

            And BooYah! finally!

    • BearDown100393

      He sold the farm on the only first rounder not going to start this season.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I should start looking at buying a farm. They must be cheap these days if a couple mid round picks is the cost. Also, good chance Mahomes doesn’t play this year either.

        • BerwynBomber

          Oddly enough, the rook who might get the most playing time is Kizer.

          • BearDown100393

            Too bad Carolina or New England are not on the schedule.

          • Bender McLugh

            and he should in my book

      • willbest

        Mahomes isn’t starting

    • Bender McLugh

      bored. haven’t we been over this?

      what’s the over under on the Grade going up or down after two years when they have actually played?

  • Joecashflow

    I work up this morning from a nightmare thinking that we just got chicken dinnered again. Sold the old, D2 school players are great if you really study them and watch film against Phoenix Poly Tech. Can’t shake it off. Don’t want to hear any spin. Will be voting with my tickets. Only an away game in NOLA so far, really because it’s a party!

    • Bender McLugh

      well hell yeah, nice choice

  • King of DBB

    Hub has been on the radio all afternoon soft pedaling it. Gabriel and him won’t go after the team. Bread and butter and all that Hub politeness that shorts him as a real journalist.

    But Jason La Canfora from CBS just dropped this bomb on the team:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-what-nfl-execs-are-saying-about-the-bears-draft-and-its-not-good/

    There are some serious allegations in there. At this stage, it may be the realm of possibility that Fox finds a health excuse to bow out before camp.

    • MB30SD

      Holy shit dude.

      “We don’t know what the hell they were doing,” said an executive from one team that is routinely in the postseason. “It’s all anyone is talking about. It’s really bad between Pace and Fox. Fox is fuming about being left in the dark on the trade (for Trubisky). I don’t know anyone who likes their draft. From the first pick on, we can’t figure out what they were doing. Go back and look at how many small-school kids they took. People around the league are shocked. It’s really bad between Pace and Fox.”

      An executive from another team noted: “Either the Bears know something no one else in the league knows, or that draft just got a lot of people fired only they don’t know it yet.”

      unless that is made up propaganda and bullshit, it’s even worse than I thought. Like, damn!

      • King of DBB

        Exacery.

        I don’t know what blog Geroge Hotchiss has been reading the last few years, but we’ve been tearing into this team. If there is anybody who has perhaps started to mainline the kool aid, it’s Jeff.

        I chalk that up to him finding a reason to keep Da Blog going.

        • Seems like after Jeff purified himself from booze he’s found peace.
          Fuck peace jeff!
          Rip into the bears!
          Actually Jeff has always kinda defended the status quo. He loved Jay for yrs even while it became obvious he was not the guy.
          Think he wanted to keep Kreutz, lach, hester, briggs, etc
          Or maybe Jeff is just getting older and mellowing out.
          That’s where rhe rev steps in

        • MB30SD

          agree, I had this thought yesterday.

          Without the propaganda no one’s going to give a rat’s ass about us if this keeps up

      • This is what happens when a “think tank” hires the HC b4 the GM.

        • BearDown100393

          The think tank was one guy without anything to lose.

        • willbest

          Wasn’t lynch hired after the HC in 9er world? He got a solo draft

      • BearDown100393

        The league laughs at the Bears. Angelo. Emery. Pace.

        • King of DBB

          Man the Score callers are sooooo bad.

          There is no way the producers aren’t cherry picking the worst stereotypes.

          • BearDown100393

            Fans boo Trubisky. Talking heads bobble uncontrollably on television. NFL executives have no idea what to make of Pace’s moves. Disconnect between Pace – Fox stories don’t disappear. Radio callers are ticked off. Yup, everyone must have this wrong and Pace has it right. For the sake of the organization, he better.

          • MB30SD

            jep

          • BearDown100393

            This will end badly.

          • Bender McLugh

            predictilator 3000

          • Bender McLugh

            money money you know it. still, probably not that hard to find

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m planning to give the Monday podcast replay of Spiegel and Parkins a listen tomorrow night. Should be funny. And theirs is about the only day duo I find interesting/humorous anymore.

      • SC Dave

        It’s likely made up clickbait.

        Why would believe any of these tools? Does it fit your narrative?

        • MB30SD

          what if it is true dave?

  • burntorangenavyblue

    We booed management, not the player. Come on Jeff, you can critcize better than that. Doing what you do, you should also know that there’s always the good with the bad, so lumping Chicago fans behavior to that with Philly fans makes no sense.

    • BerwynBomber

      Bears fandom has more than its share idiots, which is true of most passionate fan bases.

      But it will be forgotten soon enough.

      The boobirds are hearing it from the media and fellow Bears fans, so the next time Trubisky is introduced publicly — I’m guessing a Cubs game for first pitch and Harry Caray nonsense — he’ll be cheered enthusiastically.

      Btw, speaking of Philly … the atmosphere of the draft looked fantastic. Better than ours, IMO.

      • Trub being booed at a Bull’s game will NEVER be forgotten.

        They’re still talking about Philly fans booing Santa 50 yrs later (even though supposedly it was a drunk obscene Santa)

        • BerwynBomber

          I meant as point of outrage, shame and continued ill will. So yeah, it will be remembered like Philly fans booing the pick of McNabb, but I don’t know if it will have lasting repercussions.

          And most people find the Philly/Santa thing amusing.

          • Malice Halice

            “The Boo” will only be remembered IF trub does bad. Yea McNabb thing was bogus. But it was him or Ricky Williams. That boo was definitely understanding. The only other hotshot of that caliber we could’ve taken at #2 was OJ, or L.4net. I screamed till I was hoarse but eventually I saw the light n look forward to seeing this year class put in work.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We?

  • Funniest quote I’ve read so far came from my chi cousin’s FB feed

    “WTF? The Cubbiies transferred their curse over to all the other Chicago teams. Thanks”

  • leftcoast dave

    I am most amused by the anger, criticism and despair after reading this blog for the last two months or so. People were generally in three camps. The first camp, the qb is the most important player for any team and we absolutely must take the best qb possible this year come hell or high water. There was some dispute over who that best qb was, but as a fact the only player three teams were willing to trade up to 2 to get was Trubinsky.
    The second camp was the camp I was in, saying sell that damn 3 pick for whatever you can get and take numbers. Sell it for a third if that’s all you get and keep selling down until we have eight picks through the top of the 5th. (that would only take three trades at most) Some criticized that approach, wanting the top picks in every round, period end of story. “Impact” players only available in the first two rounds unless you get lucky. Others liked that approach with differing targets at QB, mine was C.J. Beathard in the fourth.
    The debate came down to how to get the most impact for the team. Many wanted S, others CB, some TE or line, some Reuben Foster. The debate remained, the most impact for the team. Many like me argued for numbers.

    As it turns out, nobody was buying the 3. We don’t know that with certainty, but SF was taking calls at two and then picked Soloman at 3. Having already traded for picks, and doing it again later, I would venture a guess that there were no good offers for the 3 pick. Might be otherwise, who knows.

    In any event, Pace did what he said he would do and that plan was formulated even before FA. He planned to get best available QB, he planned to false card all the way to the draft (he spoke with SF about getting their pick, but his target could have been Garrett, could have been Mahomes, could have been Watson). In FA, Pace studiously filled EVERY need he thought the team had, including QB, secondary, TE, the receiver corp and added Benny the Jet to the backfield as well as two linemen. He did not want to “need” anything going in to the draft but he had a hierarchy of wants.

    The first want was who da Bears believed to be the best available QB and the only QB any other team was willing to pay up over the 10 pick to acquire. That is an undisputed fact. He had the plan and told the world he had a plan going in and would implement that plan. That’s what he did.

    It turns out that his second want was a kid who has all of the physical tools to be a pro bowl TE for many years. His story is pretty incredible. Was a very good basketball player with hands, feet and the ability to go up and slam an ally-oop as well as cover a center or a guard. That takes quickness as well as power and grit. Being smitten by football, however, the kid chose to put on about 60 lbs of muscle over two years to bulk up into a TE, all the while keeping the quickness, footwork and hands of a basketball player, not to mention his vertical leap. Being a late bloomer, he did not play for a big school, but the tools are measurable and they are there with a mindset of a goal oriented winner.

    The O lineman Pace got can step in this year at a position where both Sitton and Long were injured last year and Long remaining a question mark. He might even be able to kick out to RT, having played LT for years. (He has more length than Whitehair and also a low center of gravity.) The DB was overlooked by everybody because of the broken leg he suffered on a punt return. Had he gone out the year before, he was picked as a possible first rounder and earned his stripes at ‘Bama. The final pick was an under the radar discount version of C-Mac who has the potential to be quite an impact player both running and catching out of the backfield.

    So, its time for all the arm chair GM’s to lay out their cards. What would have you have done? Take who where? Which QB do you pick? (Are you over drafting him as you would with Mahomes or Watson at 3.) Are you deciding to go with Glenny and hoping to be able to give away the next two years of drafts to bid for someone next year if Glenny doesn’t pan out?

    What’s the plan, Stan?

    • MB30SD

      1. Adams (because SF was taking thomas @ 2 anyway)
      2. Kevin King – Trade one of our 4ths and our 5th to get back into the high first
      3. Peterman or Bethard (whichever they liked more)
      4. Eddie Jackson (I like this pick)
      6. DL
      7. OL

      • Malice Halice

        So basically it was just gonna be a Royal Rumble of DB’S to get a starting job?

        • MB30SD

          yep, weakest unit on our entire team.

          We roll with:
          * glennon, whom we just paid $16M for
          * Sims at TE, plus brown and harvard
          * the ONLY spot I would have taken a shot at if we would have had the powder was ILB. I think sf’s first two rounds were masterful.

          • Malice Halice

            Is sf a 3-4 or 4-3. Wasn’t both picks teammates?!

          • MB30SD

            no idea. thomas is stanford foster is bama?

          • Malice Halice

            Nevermind

      • leftcoast dave

        If Adams was being taken by SF at two, why didn’t they take him at 3?

        • MB30SD

          I took adams because sf always wanted thomas, so adams would have been there at 3 for us

          …oh, sorry, mistype… “him” in the above was supposed to be thomas. Fixed.

          • leftcoast dave

            My bad.

            So you would have over drafted him by three slots and made him the highest drafted safety since . . . . ?

          • MB30SD

            yup. 100%

            without hesitation. He is the captain of the d backfield we’ve needed since MB. Period. He would have instantly and greatly upgraded our entire D. him and demps and king back there would have been viscous.

          • Irish Sweetness

            OVERDRAFTED him by three slots?

            He’s your first round pick. You want him, you’re not over-drafting him. The proviso was that we couldn’t trade down. If he’s your top guy, you have at draft him at 3. As it is, we over-drafted our QB.

            We STILL have shit at safety. The draft is over. Where’s the stud?

        • Malice Halice

          Thank you! All these fuckin ALTERNATIVE FACTS r killing me

          • leftcoast dave

            Fake news, or mistaken assumption. Instead, choosing to overdraft a Safety rather than go for the franchise QB.

            Yep, that was a choice. My preference, ASSUMING the three could be traded for some semblance of value which apparently was not the case.

          • MB30SD

            and if we couldn’t trade, who was your guy?

          • leftcoast dave

            I told you. If we could get value, I would have traded down enough times to have eight or nine picks above our high 5. I said two or three weeks ago I would do that and look to take C.J. Bethard in the fifth. As it turns out, SF picked him where? Third? But I was willing to let Glenny have his shot and believe Bethard has the family pedigree where he could be another Harbaugh. Played run first pro set drop back at Iowa.
            But IF you were going for a franchise QB, Pace did what he had to do. I can just hear the carping if he took Bethard. “Damn odds picking below the first round, yada, yada, yada, we need a franchise QB!!!! F’n idiots!”

          • MB30SD

            if we couldn’t trade. If we had to stay at 3… who was your guy?

          • leftcoast dave

            Soloman Thomas.

          • MB30SD

            wasn’t going to be there dude. sf was taking him

          • leftcoast dave

            No, the Browns were trading up there to get Trub. If SF took Thomas, then Trub falls and I trade the pick to the Browns or the Chiefs. That would have been my plan, but it was not Pace’s plan. His was to get Trub come hell or high water and he got it done without overpaying.

          • MB30SD

            no, they weren’t that’s total hearsay… as much as me saying no.

          • leftcoast dave

            I would have sold the pick so cheap going down two at a time people would have said I was crazy. Give me a three, thank you. Give me another. Eventually you get out of the 3-9 dead zone or get KC or Houston to pay up to you. My choice was never hidden for months. I thought it best to get picks. Half of the board wanted the franchise QB. Pace and management were with the franchise QB peeps and got the best available at a good price.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I wanted Watson OR the trade-down, and more-so the trade-down, but that’s hard to do.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You don’t know that. Like, at all.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’d be gone. Obviously.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So now you’ve traded down and Beathard is gone in the third, Dave. What to do?

      • Irish Sweetness

        OL is wasted in 7, shallow draft class. DL prolly wasted too.

        You could go Adams in 1 and Budda in 2 – problems solved.

        • MB30SD

          Oh you know I’m with you there, there was just no way in hell they go safety back to back.

          Also, you are most likely wrong on the bama safety if his leg is ok he’ll be good. And think of him as hooker lite, not a aggressive tackler, but a ball Hawking deep cover guy.

    • Irish Sweetness

      You take Obi or Budda over the D2 reach, that’s what you do. Then you consider trading back in to get the other one.

      That’s first.

  • LOL I clicked on this thinking Hairy Lach was on the panel. Turns out it was Mangini! Funny shit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXMNjkQ1bPU

  • Sahr Gborie

    I get that Pace has conviction on Mitchell but pretty much everyone said he was not ready and needed one more year to round him out into a quality starter. Everybody can’t be wrong.

    I dont dislike the kid for striking while the iron is hot. I dislike Pace for trying to outsmart the other GMs. Maybe he is under more pressure than we realized because this draft smells of desperation. In a draft loaded with defense starters we didn’t do jack shit.

    • leftcoast dave

      What was your plan, Stan? You pick which QB where? Wait until next year?

      Bring it on!

      • MB30SD

        peterman in the 3rd… or your boy beathard. All D other than that… oh, and all of them from real schools with real programs that played other real teams. Oh and don’t give up the house to move up one. I could probably go on.

        Kinda my benchmark. and yes, I know you didn’t ask me gad damn et.

        • leftcoast dave

          So NO was stoopid to take Hicks with their top pick in 2012, their third round pick?

          • MB30SD

            it’s ALL about mitigating your down-side risk man. Sure, you’ll find some jems… didn’t jerry rice come from a small school?

            But the vast majority of small school kids bust out because it’s just too big a leap… why add that extra risk into the equation??

          • Sahr Gborie

            Risk v Reward. Pace knows something we don’t.

            All we can do now is root for them to make it. It’s going to take a long time to get o. The 17 bandwagon.

          • willbest

            I don’t think we are getting out of the shit show we are in unless we go big. Pace has decided he is going to crash and burn as a GM or get his bust in Canton.

          • MB30SD

            Like I said, he’s got much bigger balls than me then

          • leftcoast dave

            It was the question of being Houston and gambling on lower round QBs which is what I would have done. But hey, management wants to make it happen now.

        • Malice Halice

          Real shit! Any D2 or D3 guys ever make the probowl? That TE could be legendary tho

          • BerwynBomber

            Walter Payton played for a D2 school his entire college career.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Risk v Reward. Plus Hindsight let’s you talk like that.

          • MB30SD

            in the fucking 70s

          • SC Dave

            Relevance?

          • MB30SD

            exactly my point.

            There is none, totally different time and game now. 180.

          • MB30SD

            no, he won’t. He could be ok. You think his numbers would have been the same against Ds like bama and clemson or even sc?

            on his combine sheet it says a weakness is blocking?!? and that pass catching is better than expected… but the dude runs a 4.8. Girly thor ran a 4.5, vernon davis a 4.38.

            If you’re going to be a pass catching TE and not a blocking one, you HAVE to be fast man. can’t have a weird mismatched skill set… huge but can’t block, but catches passes well even though he’s slow. like huh?!

          • leftcoast dave

            He has never had to learn how to block! He’s LONG and fast for 280 with good feet and moves. Did you watch his combine tape? Great hands and will be the receiver releasing in the jumbo as a great route runner eating up any LB.

          • MB30SD

            yes, I posted it yesterday… he didn’t jump off the tape at all. Did you watch his game tape? He played 2nd year high school seniors. The tape was silly.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If he can’t block he’s useless to us. Total reach.

          • BerwynBomber

            Flacco’s a D2 guy. Rothleisberger’s a MAC guy, which generally isn’t a huge step up from the best D2 programs.

            Was Peanut a D2 player?

          • MB30SD

            sure you’ll always find outliers. The macro data says it’s adding an additional risk to the equation

          • BerwynBomber

            You might be right but how many of these guys are drafted from D2 programs to begin with?

            All things being equal the “hit” numbers might be the same vs. the large schools.

            Btw, I wasn’t crazy about the Machine pick but mainly because I would have gone D in that spot.

          • MB30SD

            not might BB, I am right.

            Why take on the extra risk? doesn’t make sense to me

          • leftcoast dave

            Akiem Hicks played in Canada where his league sends nobody to the dance.

          • MB30SD

            look down. I don’t want to hear about outliers. Show me that the macro date on ALL small school guys and their success ratio as compared to kids from real schools.

            If the data supports your excitement I will too.

          • Malice Halice

            Excluding me arguing the Buddha Baker pick but SIZE matters on dis 1. LB’s ain’t finna beat Adam on da Jumpball.

          • MB30SD

            they’ll be able to stay in his hip pocket, because the vast majority of ILBs in the nfl will be faster than him, in some cases much faster.

            speed kills in the nfl man.

          • Malice Halice

            4sho, but Adam’s a big dude. Lb Can keep up with him but once the ball is up speed can’t make up for vert n ball coverage.

          • leftcoast dave

            And 40 lbs.

          • leftcoast dave

            Ever see someone post up in basketball? The round mound of rebound could post up anybody with his length and big arse.

          • MB30SD

            (rolls eyes)

            sure, try doing that with a 250LB guy running a 4.5 barrelling down on your ribs… not the 5’11” 205lb guys runing a 4.9 he’s used to

          • leftcoast dave

            Dude, make up your mind. You were saying the LB would be staying in his pocket. Now he’s being left wide open? Which is it? If he’s in his pocket, the BIG ARSED TE posts him up. If he’s running free, he runs the same risk of any other receiver but he’s still catching the ball!

          • MB30SD

            why would I make up my mind?? I didn’t know football games were scripted. They can only cover or smash him? Damn, goodell strikes again!

            Doesn’t matter. He’s never seen guys who can do the things guys like wagner can do.

          • leftcoast dave

            Did any of that matter to Jordy Nelson when he got his ribs broken last year? Or to Jake Butt who’s ACL got nailed?

            Dude, that happens to the best of them. You were whining about his speed, saying LBs would be in his pocket. Maybe so, but that doesn’t keep him from catching the ball if it is thrown right.

            He’s long and 280 and can jump!

          • Ososfan

            Good luck trying to tackle that mountain. haha.

          • MB30SD

            (rolls eyes)

            this isn’t some shitty D2 league man. Welcome to the big boys buddy.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Zach Miller is from a D2 school.

          • MB30SD

            Yes, and he’s had a glorious long and storied career. : /

          • Johnnywad

            Let’s flip it. Look at how many FBS level, early draft picks from real programs have been busts.

          • MB30SD

            apples to oranges sadly my maings

          • Malice Halice

            Naw, FBS level more of a priority in my book. We don’t need affirmative action for d2 and no name schools. Some position like P may not matter but no way in fuckin hell I’m grabbing a DB or WR or QB that didn’t have stellar comp.

          • Johnnywad

            I want to hear about outliers.

          • MB30SD

            girls with triple Fs

          • Johnnywad

            Ugh. Not for me thank you.

            I’m all about the D’s though. Or a really, REALLY well done C.

          • MB30SD

            I’m on board. I’ll take em all, as long as they’re not saggy nat geos.

            I’m dating a young lady with small Bs and she has a really pretty face and nipples, so it’s all good.

          • leftcoast dave

            I like small titties. Women with them are hot.

          • MB30SD

            figures

          • Johnnywad

            Kurt Warner was out of football altogether. Isn’t he the poster boy of developmental players?

          • leftcoast dave

            Bingo. Slow to develop, but had a plan and a heart.

          • Maybe we can send Trub to the Amsterdam Admirals for a year or two.

          • leftcoast dave

            Gotta start in Iowa first.

          • Johnnywad

            Bagging groceries.

          • leftcoast dave

            Hy Vee.

          • Johnnywad

            I wonder if they’re better or worse than D2 college players.

          • BerwynBomber

            And Romo was E. Illinois and undrafted.

          • Johnnywad

            And went on to nail Jessica Simpson in her prime. Probably why his back is so bad.

            It sure feels way more comfortable drafting players from big time schools. But the league is littered with busts from every level of college football. It’s easy to criticize this draft, but I’m going to wait and see. If they can play ball, nobody will be bitching. It’s just silly to condemn a draft the day it ends.

          • BerwynBomber

            Pretty much my thoughts too. I wasn’t crazy about any pick (but thought Jackson could be a small steal), but just because a guy comes from a small school doesn’t mean he sucks.

            Do I find more comfort in knowing a guy went against the best competition? Of course. But I’m not convinced the hit rate — # of those drafted vs. # of hits — is any higher with big programs.

          • MB30SD

            let’s find out.

          • BerwynBomber

            A job for Data, or maybe will.

          • MB30SD

            already asked up top

          • leftcoast dave

            BTW: Got to see Tarik Cohen, (our chocolate MOT) doing his back flip and catching two footballs:

            http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/4/29/15485162/tarik-cohen-backflip-catch-videos

          • MB30SD

            jesus. want me to link to tape of a former bear jumping out of a pool?

          • I bet that Indonesian midget can jump out of a pool.

            Balls in your court, MB.

          • MB30SD

            someone liked to a vid of him doing a backflip and catching two footballs at the same time below. Check it out. He’s strong AND athletic. Glad we got him in the 4th

          • BerwynBomber

            He can be the halftime show if all else fails.

          • MB30SD

            he looks like a normal human… until the other guys come in and you realize he’s an Indonesian midget.

          • Malice Halice

            Yea but when he da back field it won’t matter against da opposing secondary. He trucking!

          • Malice Halice

            OMG OMG OMG that takes fuckin Skill!

          • leftcoast dave

            I like guys coming into the league with a chip on their shoulder, not those who feel “entitled” to be there. They have something to prove and too often you get others just putting in their time, or not. See, ie., AJ or Fuller.

            Too cool for school.

          • Ososfan

            Fuller never looked happy even when he was drafted….. Imo

          • Irish Sweetness

            A steal .. .with Des King on the board?

          • I’m ok with bitching and venting. That’s what blogs are for, esp on game/draft day.

            What is tiresome is the constant fucking whining and debbie downerism for months on end like ButtonShoes

            WTF watch sports if it makes you that miserable and pissed?

            Lighten up Francis.

          • Johnnywad

            Agreed on most of it. I just dislike protracted bitching for the sake of bitching. And I hate, HATE, when assholes substitute fact with opinion and behave as though it’s foregone. I can’t fucking stand that.

            Trubisky might blow. But he might also be really fucking good. We didn’t like the last bunch. Now we got a new bunch.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s not the pick Johnny, it was the picks afterwards, and the trade for that first pick.

          • Ososfan

            I just wanted an OLB early. That’s all I asked. Oh, and a TE which I think the one we got will be a BEAST!

      • Sahr Gborie

        Look at MB’s comment. Defense. Defense. Defense.
        Thomas @1or a trade back. Heck if you wanted Mitchell so bad stay put and draft him.

        Obi@2 or any of the other defensive talent left. Or trade down a few spots.

        Defense@3.

        Why are we taking a project TE? When I suggested OJ Howard@3 everyone wanted my neck. Now you wasted a 2nd that was pretty much a late 1st on a project?!?

        • leftcoast dave

          Sorry, Trubinsky was going to Cleveland or possibly Kansas City at 2.

          So you have chosen not to try to pick the best QB available in the draft. Ok, that is a choice you make. That is the choice I would have made, but Pace made the decision supported by much of the board to get the best QB available.
          Until he did.

          • MB30SD

            we don’t know, but reports also said we were the only ones bidding against ourselves.

          • leftcoast dave

            Not what SF said. They were getting “other calls.” Cleveland was there and KC.

          • MB30SD

            I’m sure there are conflicting reports about everything. you’ll find just as many saying what I posted as what you did.

            Also, did you read the article that GP posted below. Holy shit!

          • leftcoast dave

            I heard the GM interviewed and he said he was getting other calls. Who is reporting otherwise?

          • MB30SD

            google my man.

            And I’m sure as a 1st year GM john lynch would say, “yeah, how about dem apples bitches!??! Did you see me fucking fleece that tool pace??! Did you see that asshole believe all our bullshit about other interested buyers?!! Hahahaha, what a fucking clown!”

            : /

          • Irish Sweetness

            Calls are not offers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            From clients, suppliers, auto-repair shops? They’re just sound-bites. It’s like you don’t purchase a product labelled “clinically-tested”, all products are tested, you look for “clinically-proven”.

            They were getting calls. Sure, they have phones. People call up all the time.

          • BearDown100393

            Well if I’m Pace, as part of the 49er deal, I would want the San Fran front office to leak to the press that there were indeed other teams attempting to trade up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So Watson – likely the better QB – is there at 3. As is Thomas. Where’s the pain there?

            Pace wasn’t right. You can defend his actions. But he wasn’t correct in what he did. He panicked in the first two rounds, and then went full rogue.

          • CanadaBear

            MT was his guy. That’s all there is to it.

        • SC Dave

          The Bears focused on defense for most of the last 60 years. One fucking championship.

          I’m becoming more and more happy with every bitchy post I read here that Pace is going for offense.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We’ve been focusing on nothing for 30 years Dave, and nothing to show for it.

    • “everyone said he was not ready and needed one more year” – this is true, but that doesn’t mean that year can’t be spent learning in the NFL instead of Mickey Mouse U.

      We need to look no further than what the Puke did with Vadgers.

      But even if you think that’s an outlier, look at the Chiefs giving up much more than we did to draft an even riskier prospect in Mahomes who will sit maybe 2 years.

      Rams – Goff
      Iggles got Wentz thinking the same.

      Cousins spent a few years riding pine.

      Sitting and grooming a QB is not unprecedented.

      Now, if YOU don’t believe Trub is the guy, then that I can understand, but if so, break down why you don’t like him. His technique? His throwing motion? his arm? anticipation? feet? Pocket presence? intelligence? Intangibles. Dunno. But for anyone who dislikes Trub I’d prefer hearing football reasons as opposed to draft stock talk because draft-capital wise, giving up one or two 3rds is relatively cheap to take a stab at a franchise (see RG3, Goff, Wentz…)

      • Johnnywad

        Fixing the QB position is hard, risky and expensive most of the time.

        • Malice Halice

          Key word expensive. We got Glennon (qb alot of ppl wanted) for 18mil, trub (qb alot of ppl wanted ) for a swap n a 3rd n 4th n 4th. When u REALLY think about it. Pace did a great job at finding our qb. When most teams put up 1st n 2nd to get a qb. WE GOT 2!

          • Fans are always bitching.

            Like you said, Pace got two rolls at the craps tables instead of 1.

            Let’s see he hits come Dec.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Who the hell wanted Giraffe Neck?

            Ppl wanting Mitchell is still suspect.

            We got the QBs now it’s time to sit back and see if they were worth it

          • leftcoast dave

            What do “Ppl” have to do with it and what does it matter “who” wanted Glenny? Who hired Gleeny is all that matters. You think what you or anybody else “wants” matters somehow?

            In whose world?

        • TrubRisky Business

      • BerwynBomber

        Wentz was significantly costlier than Trub but PHI had to climb further to do it (hence, the price increase).

        • leftcoast dave

          I bet if you took the value of the picks off the chart, it will show just how much of a steal Trub was compared to last year’s deals.

          • Sahr Gborie

            He’s a steal only if he works out in 2-3yrs

          • leftcoast dave

            He’s a steal if he’s better than the average of he, Goff and Wentz if we are talking value of the top QB in the draft vs. the chart. If he doesn’t work out, you get your chances and you take your best shot. He was the consensus top pick. We shall see what he becomes but I sure liked the tape of the Pitt game posted by Butch above. Check it out.

          • Johnnywad

            Absolutely correct.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not sure. Iggles had to move up six spots to get Wentz. We had to move up one to get Trub. I would assume moving up six spots is much more expensive.

          • leftcoast dave

            It was close value wise, depending on how you value the next year picks. They proved to be top value and the Iggles gave up this years 1 and 2 as well as two threes last year. We gave up a three and the equivalent of two fours.

          • leftcoast dave

            Doing the math quickly, given that those were 12th picks, the Iggles paid about an extra high 2.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A steal if he works out.

            Bust squared otherwise.

      • Sahr Gborie

        No doubt we gave up very little to get him in comparison to what other teams have give up.

        However when taking the quality of defensive players available in the draft we gave up a lot in the short and the long run.

        I’ve watched tape on Mitchell. I see why Pace took him. I’m just not one for risk taking. I don’t think the risk is worth the reward. If he gives us the same thing that Cutty did I consider him a bust because we could have gotten the same production from a 2nd round pick and lower.

        He’s on the team now. I will support him and wish him the best. His success is the Bears success.

        • leftcoast dave

          For what it’s worth, I wanted to see a trade down, ANY trade down even if it was one spot for a third or fourth, and again, and again. Eventually KC and Houston paid up some capital. But that was what I wanted to see to build the overall team with my priorities OT, ILB, D line, TE and then the secondary.

          Half the blog wanted “a franchise QB.”

          So did Pace and his bosses.

          • Johnnywad

            Remember that time you said we were trading down?………:)

          • leftcoast dave

            You mean almost every time I posted? You mean one of those times? Damn right! I wanted to load up on picks and pick C. J. Beathard along with his tight end George Kittle, his CB/S Desmond White and his DT Jaleel Johnson, all of whom went off the board and Beathard higher than anyone thought to SF. I called him “Hairball” aka Harbaugh.

            Yea, I wanted to trade down.

            Most people wanted a top round QB. Some wanted the best.

            Pace got the best. So why is everybody whining like little bitches?

          • Johnnywad

            Beats me. Everybody wanted new QBs.

            I watched his highlights. Never watched him play last year. He certainly has an NFL arm. He can throw that deep ball with touch without looking like he’s doing much. Also watched him step into a few lasers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think DeShaun is better, now. Nobody knows if Mitch trains on. Heath Evans was damning when the Bears picked him. Will never make an NFL QB. Strong words.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Heath Evans is one of the worst analyst out there. He is constantly saying stupid shit.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Had they traded down I was fine with that. It’s the smart thing to do, and maybe Malik McDowell would be a Bear now.

            Alvin Kamara was drafted with our third rounder.

            Going up (in rd 1) was the only fail. We move up one in rd 2 and we have malik.

        • BerwynBomber

          “If he gives us the same thing that Cutty did I consider him a bust because we could have gotten the same production from a 2nd round pick and lower.”

          Jay Cutler was not a bust. And he was basically taken where Mahomes/Waston were selected, and if anything the cost of such a QB draftee has only increased in ten years.

          If Trub is Jay Cutler 2.0 he will be disappointing, frustrating, entertaining, teasing, maddening, infuriating and exhausting. But he will not be a bust.

          • SC Dave

            And he came WAY cheaper than Cutler.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Neither will DeShaun Watson, to a higher degree of probability, and he (or Trubs) was there at 3 regardless of what happened at 2.

            Pace can justify it in his eyes, but no one else’s.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            seems justified in my eyes.

          • CanadaBear

            MT was his guy. Apparently Watson wasn’t.

        • Irish Sweetness

          With a little bit of horse-trading we could have drafted Budda AND Obi, or you choose one, and then draft Des King.

          The quackery continued through the day. Forget the first pick.

  • MB30SD

    hey data… can you run some numbers on the small school kids success rates in the nfl vs. the big boys.

    • Johnnywad

      MB: (Huddled in a dark room, gradually builds his case)

      • MB30SD

        hahaha… nah. I’ve made my case. Now it’s time to see what’s what.

        I really hope I’m wrong. we’ll see.

        • Malice Halice

          The fall is worse for big name prospects, the climb n praise is much better for d2 guys. When u get drafted 1st overall n live up to it ppl r like “what u expect?” But when it’s a d2 guy ppl r like holy shit what a great pick!

  • leftcoast dave

    Ok, that was fun!!!

    I only wish I had done that yesterday when there were so many whiny bitches talking sh*t like they knew something nobody else knew.

    All cool?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yep. We okay now.

  • leftcoast dave

    Gotta post this again in case anyone missed it.

    BTW: Got to see Tarik Cohen, (our chocolate MOT) doing his back flip and catching two footballs:

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/4/29/15485162/tarik-cohen-backflip-catch-videos

    • Johnnywad

      Can he jump out of a pool? Or is he too short?

      • leftcoast dave

        Guess it depends on the pool!

        • Sahr Gborie

          I see what you did there. Well played sir. Well played

      • CanadaBear

        Kiddy pool.

  • So, if you’re a Bears fan moping around, maybe this will give you some hope. Trub was pretty much playing from behind the whole game, and down by 13 or so in the 4rth [from 6:34 on]…look at all the diff types of throws Trub makes on must downs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE_OKBiSBBs

    You can also now understand why Pace got a big ass TE for Trub to throw those back shoulder and jump balls to.

    Is Switzer a UFDA? Think that guy could replace our small white guy quota (sorry Braverman).

    • leftcoast dave

      Cowboys took Switzer. But maybe Trub will bond with Braverman as his new home boy.

      • Fuck. I wonder if he’s related to Barry Switzer?
        Lil guy impressed me. Would’ve been a nice shot at slot with built in chemistry.

      • Johnnywad

        Braverman is back in Michigan I think. Pretty sure he delivered me a pizza last night.

        • BearDown100393

          And I bet he gave you 110% delivering it also.

    • leftcoast dave

      Thanks for posting! Plenty of posting by Trub’s TE! Love it!

      Think he will appreciate Sitton, Whitehair and Long compared to the line he had at NC?

      • Oh heck ya. That’s what I was saying from the start about Trub. He was under constant duress throwing to small white dudes mostly.

        There’s things to not like about Trub, but looking at that vid, there’s also lots to like.
        He displayed everything you want in that game. Poise. Arm. Pocket awareness. Accuracy. Anticipation. Escapability. Balls.

        Whether that can transfer over to the NFL remains to be seen, but you can look at that tape and understand why teams were trying to trade up for him. He wasn’t just hitting bubble screens and ducking/running like the other QBs in the draft.

        • leftcoast dave

          He was scrambling on most every play! Think about what he can do with a solid O line in front of him? I hope Glenny gets it done and he doesn’t see the field much this year until he knows the system. But if he needs to get on the field, I feel good about him.

    • BearDown100393

      Jay lost a lot of games in Vanderbilt. He played from behind also. And he made throws. A lot of them.

      • CanadaBear

        You aren’t seriously pining for Cutler?

        • BearDown100393

          What is the ceiling for either Glennon or Trubisky?

  • Sahr Gborie

    Bears
    Jason La Canfora spoke to executives around the NFL who have no idea what the Bears are doing with their recent draft class.

    “We don’t know what the hell they were doing,” an executive tells La Canfora. “It’s all anyone is talking about. It’s really bad between [Ryan] Pace and [John] Fox. Fox is fuming about being left in the dark on the trade (for Trubisky). I don’t know anyone who likes their draft. From the first pick on, we can’t figure out what they were doing. Go back and look at how many small-school kids they took. People around the league are shocked. It’s really bad between Pace and Fox.”

    “Either the Bears know something no one else in the league knows, or that draft just got a lot of people fired only they don’t know it yet,” a separate exec tells La Canfora.

    • Pretty sure these were the same execs who passed on Dak last draft too.

      • BearDown100393

        So Trubisky is the next Dak?

        Cool. I’m down with that.

    • leftcoast dave

      And what they have to say matters why?

      • SC Dave

        Assuming any of them actually said any of that shit in the first place.

  • MB30SD

    this dude is F-R-E-E, free: http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/former-virginia-tech-qb-jerod-evans-issues-warning-after-going-undrafted/ar-BBAz5tb?li=BBnb7Kz

    and according to blog sources, has just as much of a chance to succeed as anyone else!

    Let’s pick him up and throw him in the mix. fuck it.

    • BearDown100393

      Pace will never allow it to happen. His reign would be destroyed if a UFA outclasses Trubisky. This is about ego. Not what’s best for the team.

      • Johnnywad

        That’s a weird post.

  • MB30SD

    watched the trubz vid. some good some bad. He puts his long balls UUUUUUP, gonna have to put a bit less float on those in the nfl, but he seems mobile with good pocket presence.

    I was super impressed with Switzer like butch. There’s your mcCaffery for a fuckton less cost right there!

    • For some reason I thought Switzer was a junior, but he was a senior and actually in the draft. I must be racist cuz I assumed he’d be a UFDA since he’s a white slot, but just checked out Jerra drafted him in the 4rth. Good on him. Wish he would’ve made it to the beloved. Dude is scrappy.

      https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/04/30/serious-see-moment-ryan-switzer-became-cowboy-thanks-draft-day-phone-call-jerry-jones

      Like I said in my original QB scouting reports on Trub, what impresses me most about him is that he can throw from various “platforms” (he needed to with that Oline).

      In that vid he threw a 30yd corner with ease. Fade, back shoulder, between zones, sideline outs, screens, go routes…

      Def has some shit he needs to work on (like not trying to make EVERY play) and like you said, the long ball, but the baseline is there.

      • MB30SD

        yep, I’m down to give him shot… next year.

        • leftcoast dave

          Love the way he uses his TE. I loved getting Simms for that sole reason. Big arsed blocker, can release to be the safety valve for the QB. Same with Benny the Jet. Knows how to pick up a rush and release out of the backfield. Trub can make those throws and is great at putting the ball to his TE away from coverage.

          Gotta love it.

          • BearDown100393

            Braunecker!

    • Jokey

      That’s the biggest negative I noticed too, those rainbows.

      • MB30SD

        yeah man, I was like damn, that’s an INT in the NFL, so’s that, and that… he better start studying geometry and trig now.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Thoughts…”

    It is what it is and we won’t really KNOW what it is for at least a year.

  • BerwynBomber

    Weird admission: but I was kinda looking forward to Glennon working without a net for year. (Plus, I wasn’t crazy about this year’s QB prospects.)

    Now it as if Glennon playing will seem like Barkley Time: interesting but meaningless long-term.

    Ah well. Bring on the future.

    • BearDown100393

      The Giraffe has nothing to lose. He’ll get a pass on being a lame duck starting QB working for a lame duck head coach. Remains to be seen what Trubinsky is supposed to learn in 2017 from an outgoing coaching staff.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Thank you. This coaching staff is gone next year or the year after.

        Now you are forced to look for a coach that agrees with YOUR QB.

        What coach worth their salt says no to an NFL head coach position even if they don’t like the QB?(bilecheck does not count t)

    • willbest

      What do you do if you are Pox if the Bears go 10-6 maybe make the WC, with Glennon doing like say 28 TDs and 11 INTs and 3700 yards?

      Do you really move on to Trubisky? Do you really can Fox?

      • BearDown100393

        A lot of QBs sat until opportunity presented itself. If Giraffe and Fox can do all that, all the more power to them. They earn the right to stay.

      • Ososfan

        Nope. Wait till after year 2 to make a decision. There legit no need to rush Trubs. Which is what Pace said

      • Sahr Gborie

        Stay with Giraffe Neck for another year or two.

        Trash Fox and get Harbaugh

        • BearDown100393

          Why would Harbaugh give up Michigan for the Bears?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Really.

            After all, he has ALREADY worked for the McCaskeys.

        • leftcoast dave

          And Hairball would want to leave Michigan why? He owns the place, has a new baby, has his kid on the coaching staff and grandchildren all over the place.

          He needs the NFL?

          For what?

      • Malice Halice

        Fox stays if Glennon make stats. Glennon will be da new JimmyG n Pace will shop him to find more components for Trub to start or D. If not, we keep Glennon for another year till either Jets or 9ers maybe Jags get desperate n grab him.

        • leftcoast dave

          Pace did right by Glenny. Knowing he was going after the top QB, he did not try to be cheap with him and paid him a fair price. Now what happens next should be in everybody’s best interests.

      • BerwynBomber

        9-7 or above and Fox stays. Anything less and he’s gone.

  • leftcoast dave

    That is exactly why I did not want a “marquis” pick and instead wanted to go the Houston route building the team and picking Hairball redux.

  • BearDown100393

    “Never seen a fan base so eager to be negative.”

    Ted Phillips is on record that winning is not important.

    Tell me which is more disgusting.

    • willbest

      And Pace generated evidence for that philosophy with this draft pick of swinging for the fences at every pick.

      • BearDown100393

        IMO Pace does what he thinks is best. Whether I or anyone else outside the Bears agrees with his decisions is moot. It really does not matter. Phillips is another kettle of fish. And a rotten barrel at that.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Ted Phillips can wipe his ass with toilet paper made from broken glass bottles

    • SC Dave

      The former is more disgusting, especially since you exaggerate what Phillips said.

      • MB30SD

        no, not really… post again dave.

    • Tortured Bear fan

      Fuck Off Teddy!!

  • willbest

    Bill Nye has been catching crap for his new netflix nonsense. But I thought this was pretty funny in terms of comparing actors

    http://static.snopes.com/app/uploads/2017/04/bill-nye-dolph-lundgren.jpg

    • Malice Halice

      Better than Iron fist tho.

      • Bender McLugh

        I didn’t get all the Iron Fist hate

        • willbest

          Well the show was bad. But they were mad that a white guy was doing kung fu

  • Shady

    True or false: Jay Cutler will end up on a roster before mini camp begins.

    • Malice Halice

      True, Jets gone get him. Then the Chicago Boo will get replaced with NY Boo’n Cutty!

    • BearDown100393

      True.

    • King of DBB

      Before mini camp? No.

      Opening Day? Probable.

    • Bender McLugh

      False

    • AlbertInTucson

      I lean toward “True”.

      • Johnnywad

        Al. Just watched Hidden Figures last night with the Old Lady. Excellent flick. Put it on your “to do” list.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Roger, that.

          I have a free pay-per-view due from Dish.

          Now I know what to use it on.

        • reminded me of Remember The Titans (one of my all-time favorite films), only with NASA instead of HS football.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      false. it won’t be before mini camp. Teams will see what they got in mini and adjust.

    • BerwynBomber

      False. Both he and Kap are in wait-for-an-injury mode.

      Btw, is Fitz unemployed too? Cutty and Kap were the marquee unsigned guys but I recall there were a few others.

      • willbest

        Cutler might not be healthy enough to pass a physical

    • leftcoast dave

      Cardinals.

    • It’ll take another Bridewater knee transplant for teams to call him.

    • I’ll say false. Because of where he’s at in his career, the only teams that make sense for him are those who are a solid QB away from actually contending. Most of the offseason, that meant DEN and HOU. Now HOU drafted their QB, and DEN apparently doesn’t have interest.

      Now I’m sure he’ll be the first guy on call if anybody goes down for the season. Otherwise he seems to be enjoying retirement.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, the Bills, who are getting good grades (A to B-) for THEIR draft, just fired their GM and the entire scouting staff. Per Yahoo Sports.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That ought to get the Bears off the front page for a day or two.

  • King of DBB

    Who will be D-ROTY?

    Because it would burn so bad, I’ll go Adams on the Jets

    • AlbertInTucson

      EDDIE JACKSON!

      RAH!

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        FUCK YEAH!!

        • MB30SD

          SAVAGE HOF!

    • BerwynBomber

      Derek Barnett

      P.S. I have no idea but is almost always a D-lineman or LB and didn’t want to be obvious.

      • SC Dave

        Hey, that was my choice a couple months back!

        • BerwynBomber

          Hah! Well i’m sure you know more about him than I. Only saw his clips and heard discussion about him on draft night.

          • SC Dave

            I doubt I know more about him than you. I just saw that he passed up Reggie White at Tennessee, and so went with him.

    • Shady

      Tak

      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000803644/article/takkarist-mckinley-turns-draft-stage-into-movie-climax

      The 6-foot-2, 250-pound pass rusher is one of the relentless defensive players entering the draft. McKinley brings speed and explosiveness off the edge to disrupt the quarterback.

      “The McKinley selection continues to build a young defense for Dan Quinn. He will pair with Vic Beasley and last season’s rookie linebackers Deion Jones and De’Vondre Campbell to form a young, athletic nucleus.”

      We’ll probably get a look at him week 1.

      • MB30SD

        well well well

    • Hasson Reddick.

    • MB30SD

      thomas?

    • Ososfan

      Derek Rivers. OLB Patriots.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Not Adams cus the Jets suck.

      My vote is for Thomas.

  • Ososfan

    Why is Unrein still on this team?!

    • willbest

      Because he is the best fullback in the NFL. Wish Pox knew that

      • Irish Sweetness

        If Shaheen learns to block, Unrein has a job.

        If you put Shaheen in motion left, Gummo gets to see if they’re in playing man or not.

        If they are in man, the safety comes over with Shaheen, you run right with Unrein lead blocking. Wide open.

        If they’re playing zone, then you run left. If Shaheen can then block, he becomes dangerous, especially on sweeps where he’s in motion.

        Can he block?

        • Big Mike

          What I’ve read is that he needs work, but they all do. His hands are good. He probably blocks better in space than most TEs because of his size – speed. For his size, he’s not as effective as an attached (not split) TE. The speed and strength of the outside rush man he will face in the NFL are going to make him look silly on occasion. But he’s going to get to some blocks are other TEs don’t.

          • SC Dave

            Given his D2 experience, one would expect that there is plenty of room for professional coaching to bring his game up.

            If Pace (and others) are to be believed, Shaheen has enough agility and strength to become effective. Whether he will or not is the crapshoot you get with pretty much every player selected.

          • Big Mike

            Pace went in with the “Big Balls” approach. If he hits, we’re winners. If he doesn’t the “floor” for these guys will look like one of Emery’s draft and we’ll b bottom feeders for another 5 years.

          • SC Dave

            Claiming one draft can make you a bottom feeder for five years sounds a bit like hyperbole.

            The thing that will do that is switching GMs again. Especially if nothing gets done about Phillips.

          • Big Mike

            You change GM, you end up changing your HC. You change your philosophy and you reset for two years. By the time we find out the draft class is a complete bust, 5 years have gone by. The 2007 draft Olsen, Bazuin, Wolfe, Okwo, Beekman, Payne, Graham, McBride and Brant, set us into a spiral.

        • willbest

          He is a pretty big dude.

    • SC Dave

      Here are the DL on the Bears roster:

      Bullard, Jonathan
      Goldman, Eddie
      Hicks, Akiem
      Jenkins, John
      Lewis-Moore, Kapron
      Sutton, Will
      Unrein, Mitch
      Wilson, C.J.

      Presumably, the Bears will keep at least 7.

      Are you certain that Jenkins, Wilson, Bullard, and Lewis-Moore are better than Unrein?

  • BerwynBomber

    Minor bad news as this guy would have almost certainly killed the Cheese’s Favre/Rodgers stranglehold on the division:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706896-brett-hundley-reportedly-nearly-traded-by-packers-on-day-2-of-nfl-draft

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’ve got a theory, let’s test it together.

    Pace is a string theorist.

    He makes future predictions based on things unproven presently.

    True or false?

    Exhibit A: Boner for Mitch (unproven over multiple seasons and drafted on potential vs CV), and the trade-up (unknown to be necessary).

    Exhibit B: Shaheen. A D2 body, unproven against top college players never mind NFL killers.

    Exhibit C: The one-legged safety pick. Tackling unproven, shall we say. One leg unproven. Development required in order to achieve BASICS.

    Any other picks from previous drafts that bear this out?

    • Bender McLugh

      “Development required in order to achieve BASICS.” — what basics do you mean? The dude ran Alabamas D

      • burntorangenavyblue

        You gotta remember that most college teams’ players who start on top #1, 2, or 3 defenses don’t exactly pan out as superstars at the next level because they are only as great as the sum of their parts. Then they get broken up in the draft.

  • Captain Obvious

    Let’s take a look at some recent Bears draft history.

    Took a guy “too early” when all the self-proclaimed “experts” said he’d be there when they picked later: Kyle Long. Turned out to be well worth the pick.

    Took a guy in a late round when they already had a starter slated: Jordan Howard. Guy goes on to be first-round talent and performance.

    Took a guy in the 2nd that had people scratching their heads because there were other needs more pressing: Cody Whitehair. Guy is a multi-talented rock on the line.

    Took a guy in the 2nd who apparently had “issues” related to his performance and work ethic: Alshon Jefferey. While he never became a superstar, he was a pretty damned good 2nd round pick.

    So I’ll give Pace a pass for the trading up: he was put in a hard place by SF, who held the cards and was auctioning the pick. I’ll give Pace a pass for taking the man-beast in the 2nd; I don’t care about the small-college resume — what concerns me is that there was good DB talent on the board that would have absolutely improved the defense. But maybe the man-beast will be more than just “baby” Gronk. I’ll give pace a pass for the later round picks because, dammit, they’re later round picks and if they become starters that is a HUGE victory.

    Basically, we can’t judge this draft until Trubs sees the field — which might not happen this year — except by the performance of man-beast. If he’s able to do well against NFL talent, and if any of the later round picks actually makes the roster and contributes, Pace earns himself an “I” (Incomplete) until Trubs sees the field. Then Pace/2017 sinks or swims on Trubs.

    • leftcoast dave

      We might see surprise performance from the Joy Stick, likely solid performance from the ‘Bama safety and a very likely great impact from our new O lineman. Pace is building a solid O line as the foundation of this team which is the sina qua non of an offense.

  • King of DBB

    With tits like those you should not be working at home. You should be taking incalls at a nice hotel.

    Your hourly rate could be as high as $700.

  • Sahr Gborie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91LN5xZh_mE

    Herm Edwards is a genius: “Who do you think fits what you would like to do? That’s your decision. Quarterbacks a lot of times are a failure of the system and the coach that puts them in the system that doesn’t meet the standards of their skill set. you look to the tow guys last year, Carson Wentz goes to Philadelphia and Jared Goff goes to the Rams. Right now people say Jared Goffs a failure but I don’t know that so much. Well find out this year. Got a new coach and a new system. We see how they handle him. Carson Wentz went somewhere and played pretty good. Coach was a QB, all the assistants were QB. That helps you.”

  • Sahr Gborie

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/01/49ers-were-prepared-to-take-reuben-foster-at-no-3-got-him-at-no-31/

    49ers were prepared to take Reuben Foster at No. 3, got him at No. 31
    Not sure how to feel about this.

    • so the GM claims after they were able to draft him. Who knows for sure.

      • Sahr Gborie

        this type of thing makes you crazy. we will never really know for sure because draft boards are never released. we have never really put serious effort into getting a QB outside of cutty. I don’t like the way pace went about getting the ingredients to cook plus the ingredients don’t look too appetizing but im willing to wait until the meal served to pass judgment

        • MB30SD

          The one thing data is not, is crazy.

          He’s right, who knows what’s real. These guys are all about propaganda.

          That said, they definitely did an amazing job this draft. That is indisputable

  • leftcoast dave

    New blog.

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