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The Most Important Question Facing the Bears: When Does Trubisky Play?

| April 28th, 2017

The future of the Chicago Bears is now Mitch Trubisky, quarterback, North Carolina. That’s it. They will continue developing a top defense and beefing up their rushing attack but the organization’s future is 6’3″ and has a last name made for the Windy City (although he should probably change it to Trubiski).

Now the question…when does he play? And all coverage of the 2017 Chicago Bears will center around that question.

The offseason program will be about Trubisky’s grasp of the system. Bourbonnais will be about Trubisky’s leadership and execution. Preseason games will only get exciting once Trubisky enters. And the regular season will either be a year-long learning curve for the Tarheel or a week-by-week will they won’t/won’t they for the John Fox and the coaching staff.

The 2004 Giants did it right. With Kurt Warner on their roster and a newly-drafted Eli Manning, they gave Warner a shot to win games. After half the season they knew that wasn’t going to happen and they handed the keys of their franchise to Manning. He struggled mightily in his rookie campaign, going 1-6. He wouldn’t have a losing record for the next seasons.

The Bears have chosen their franchise quarterback. The rebuild doesn’t truly begin until he sees the field.

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  • MB30SD

    Sigh.

    Solomon Thomas
    Ruben foster
    Today will be another very good day for ryan…

    …Lynch.

    • Bender McLugh

      onwards & upwards my maings

  • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

    Starting in 2018 unless Glennon gets hurt or is awful.

    Even if Glennon is solid, maybe he gets a few starts towards the end of the season.

  • Big Mike

    Its not the most important question, because apparently football is ruined forever because we gave up the chance for the likes of this. (bears 3rd round picks over the last 10 years

    2016 – Bullard
    2015 – Grasu,
    2014 – Sutton
    2013 – no pick
    2012 – Brandon Hardin
    2011 – Chris Conte
    2010 – Major Wright
    2009 – Jarron Gilbert AKA pool jumper and Juaquin Iglesias,
    2008 – Earl Bennett
    2007 – Garret Wolfe and Michael Okwo.

    • Bender McLugh

      wow……excellent perspective Mike, nice

      • Big Mike

        Thanks. Quantity of picks isn’t always the answer. Getting your guy and being right matters. I’m looking forward to Pace being right and making fun of the insane practice of grading a draft minutes after it happens.

        • MB30SD

          You hold onto that dream Mikey my boy.

          Hey, do you know what a hard count is btw?

          Also, look up at your bears draft list… You’re hanging your hat on that track record of brilliance? Yeeessssh.

          • Big Mike

            Yessir I will. Not hanging my hat. 3rd round picks are 3rd round picks. They don’t turn a franchise around. Sooner or later Bears had to get serious about QB.

            I don’t necessarily agree, because we are so close to being good on defense. But trying to fix QB was something Pace was focused on. You’ve said it yourself, if you get a 10 year starter out of the position, doesn’t matter.

          • MB30SD

            I bet if you typed up our first and second round lists they look better but not by much.

            Yes, that’s the trick. You think pace and this bears org we’re able to outsmart everyone and find this year’s dak or Wilson… That’s not us, that’s ​never been us.

            I just HATE the abject magnitude of the downside risk of this move, and that’s ​not even counting the 3 picks we gave away to move up one spot. WAY too risky, especially when we could have been the 9ers yesterday.

            Can we do a trade today… Ryan pace for Ryan Lynch? That’s the day I want today

          • DaMurph

            Who is Ryan Lynch? Is he any relation to John Lynch 49ers gm?

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha, sorry. Yes, his little brother. I went to school with him. Just came out.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Let’s see. Lynch’s QBs are fucking Hoyer and Barkley!!

          • MB30SD

            right, and ours are glennon and trubinsky. Two guys with about 5 nfl games between them… your point is???

            you build the team first. they are an abject mess everywhere right now. They are truly starting from ground zero after the nightmare that was the post-jimmy era… and they damn well started it riiiiiiight. Lynch already looking like a fucking genius compared to pace

          • Sahr Gborie

            Brady in the 6th

          • Big Mike

            Yeah, there are 4 or 5 extreme outliers.

          • BearDown100393

            Basically the defense presented is that we’re supposed to trust a highly suspect deal that the Bears go the right guy (a QB at that) because they suck at drafting mid-low draft picks anyway.

          • MB30SD

            Exactly. If it looks like a duck…

          • Big Mike

            No, what it says is that 3rd round picks are especially important to fans around draft day. Its not just the Bears. Although are results are embarassing. League wide 3rd rounders don’t change franchises. Some are good, Some are ok. and a bunch don’t see the field.

            We took a QB. It was a big boy move.

    • BearDown100393

      That only indicts Bears lack of draft ability further.

      • MB30SD

        I was just about to say exactly this.

        • BearDown100393

          Nearly directly cribbed off David Haugh’s defense of the deal also.

          • Big Mike

            didn’t look at it. Just got tired of the whining.

        • Big Mike

          I threw up a bit typing up that list.

      • Big Mike

        You can look across the league. The % of 3rd rounders that make an impact is small. Bullard/Sutton were both supposed to be steals. Bullard still has a chance to pan out. If you want to poke holes and be negative that’s fine. Point is 3rd round pics are nice, but they don’t turn teams around.

        • BearDown100393

          Setting the franchise back another decade is not poking a hole. This is not just about Mitch Trubisky. It is also about compromising this draft year and next. The NFL jungle is howling at the Bears. It smells blood.

          • Bender McLugh

            just wrong man. 10 years? jeezus, get yourself a drink

          • BearDown100393

            How’d Jay work out here for most folks?

          • Bender McLugh

            can’t compare

          • Big Mike

            Have to take a shot. People like you were probably jumping up and down over the idea when it happened. I was. So was almost everyone. He gave us a ride for a while. We drafted terribly the whole time he was hear.

          • BearDown100393

            Explain people like me.

          • MB30SD

            What do you mean you people

          • Irish Sweetness

            We got hosed, historically. Happy when it happened though. Tehre was no progression though. Not for ten years.

            People should not pay more than a first rounder for any player. Not an unknown college quantity.

          • CanadaBear

            Not very well. However, if PE hadn’t given Cutler the big contract and the Bears cut bait, it would have been the better move.

          • Big Mike

            It’s not compromised over missing third round picks. That’s just being a baby and trying to make your point. More picks is fun. What’s more fun is solving your QB position. You can’t solve it, unless you make a move. That’s all. I’d have been super excited with Adams, or any of the other picks we could have had. But I’m not stressing about giving up 3rd and 4th round picks.

          • BearDown100393

            Geezus this gets even more stupid the further dug in. Please enjoy watching this freak show sink the franchise.

          • Big Mike

            No, its not. I get so sick and tired of listening to nonsense. I’ll need to sign off for a bit. Lets just keep trading back and getting more picks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Belichick would.

          • BearDown100393

            Bears are anti-Belichick.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Belichick sucks at drafting too.

          • how does this set the Bears back a decade? If Trubisky fails, they’re trying again in 3 years. This has zero impact beyond that.

          • BearDown100393

            Because of the trade. It is more than just the first round pick. It affects everything after.

          • They basically invested half of one draft in the QB. They still have picks in rounds 2, 4, 5, and 7, and will likely trade back tonight to pick up at least one extra 4th.

            Missing on the QB is not a move that sets you back for a decade. That’s absurd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So you give up your pick in 2 – a surefire safety starter, for example – to get another pick down where the best players are harder to find?

    • That Guy

      Last year’s #67 in the draft: Maleik Collins, DT.
      Last year’s #111: Miles Killebrew, SS

      Couple guards in 2015.

      Couple more O-linemen in 2014.

      Not saying great players don’t come out of the 3rd and 4th rounds, but Mike’s point is totally correct. Its not like we trade four hall of famers.

      • Big Mike

        That’s all I’m saying. There are two other questions, “Was this the right year to fix QB?” and “Why Trubisky?”. Pro’s and Con’s on both side are worth the discussion. FWIW I’m not sold it was the right move. Just trying to counter the mob reaction to how doomed we are, and how stupid the pick was. I didn’t see trading up coming. But you know what, I don’t hate it. It means Pace really, really wanted this player. I love the conviction. It might prove to be career ending for Ryan Pace. But it could be career making and we get to go along for the ride. Does it change the Bears being a 7-9 win team in 2017? I don’t think so.

        • Exactly. Pace went all in on his guy. Literally betting his career on it. Now all we can do is hope he’s correct.

          • Big Mike

            I was wondering when someone else would jump in and back me on this. I’m excited with how much they wanted Trubisky. Glennon makes sense. Not only as a bridge QB, but as someone who isn’t going to step aside without a fight. Glennon wants his shot to be the man. You could say he had it in TB, but I’d argue that he was thrown to the wolves in TB.

        • Irish Sweetness

          There is only the now, and we had the 3 pick, so I agree with you Mike, this was the year.

          I’d probably prefer the black guy in fairness, but I’m not being paid 6M a year to watch all that tape.

          Good luck Mitch.

          • Big Mike

            He certainly had the more storied impressive COLLEGE career. There are examples on both sides of that translating to NFL success. It’s clear to me that Trubisky fits the mold. He fits the plan of going out and getting Glennon. Glennon gets the offseason #1 reps, he’s the starter. Trubisky learns the game, gets better. If he never sees the field this year that means Glennon held his own and the Bears got their 8 wins or so. He cools his heels as the back up again next year. At some point he gets a shot, or Glennon is just playing balls out.

            I’m willing to bet Pace gets some picks back for next year. Watch.. wouldn’t it be hilarious if people started calling for Sanchez.. it could happen.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hats off, Mike!

      • Big Mike

        🙂 – Just trying to balance the discussion. What a shit pile of players we accumulated in the third round. Point is 3rd round picks rarely change a franchise. A few have Rusell Wilson, Navarro etc.

    • BC

      Yeah but that’s due to crappy drafting and not the quality available in that round. What do Jamaal Charles, Jimmy Graham, Justin Houston, Russell Wilson and Navorro Bowman have in common?

      • Irish Sweetness

        They’re all Ni-Ni-Ni-nnnnn …nice?

        (I have a terrible stutter,sorry)

        Hey! I’ll watch Blazing Saddles! Nice.

      • BearDown100393

        None of them drafted by the Bears.

        • willbest

          That is a internal bears problem and not an issue with the 65th to 96th player. But BC shouldn’t be cherry picking either. That is why I analyzed the entire 3rd round to see what your expected value was in terms of getting a pro-bowler.

          • BC

            My cherry picking was flawed but my premise was correct.

      • Big Mike

        The Bears have sucked at drafting the 3rd round is particularly telling. But overall, the 3rd round only has about a 10% chance of delivering a pro-bowl player. You picked the best of the best in the 3rd round. The list of guys who never played a down is 5x bigger.

        There is no doubt in my man that the outcry over this, is based on fans providing too much value to number of draft picks around the time of the draft. Fewer picks, less fun. Trade back get more picks. Pace traded up. Got his guy. That’s all there is to it. The move wins or loses on how Trubisky turns out. Not on how many picks he gave away.

    • willbest

      I will ignore 2016 and 2015 as not having had enough opportunity, Number of 3rd rounders that have made at least 1 pro-bowl
      2014 – 1
      2013 – 3
      2012 – 3
      2011 – 3
      2010 – 3
      2009 – 2
      2008 – 4
      2007 – 2
      2006 – 1
      2005 – 4
      2004 – 6
      2003 – 3
      2002 – 2
      2001 – 1
      2000 – 1

      So you have about an 6-8% chance of landing a pro-bowl level talent in the 3rd round. That is small but its not trivial. And it doesn’t address the difference between contributors and JAGs

      • Big Mike

        You prove my point. Low odds. With a large enough sample you’d also find that the odds went up the closer to the beginning of the round they were drafted. Looks like right around a 1 in 10 shot. I saw a stat that said 50% of the QBs who were the first QB taken in the last 20 or so years made a Pro-Bowl. If that’s true, what do you want 50/50 on pro-bowl QB or 1 in 10 shot at pro-bowl position player. Well 2 in 10 since we traded two? I would argue that a pro-bowl QB is worth 2-3 pro bowlers.

        But look, I’m just looking at the positive side of the debate. It’s a lot easier to throw eggs at this choice than it is to defend it. So I’m all in with Pace.

  • That Guy

    Trubisky went #2, but for comparison’s sake: The last great QB taken at #3 was Matt Ryan, who went after two solid players in a draft that saw a couple of other decent QBs (Flacco in particular) taken later.

    If Trubisky is as good as Matt Ryan? Nobody will say a bad word about this trade in two years time.

    If Solomon Thomas is the next Chris Long and Trubisky is the next Matt Ryan? Nobody will say a bad word about this trade in two years time.

    If Deshone Kizer is the next Joe Flacco, Garrett is the next Suh, and Thomas is the next Gerald McCoy? Nobody will say a bad word about this trade in two years time.

    If all of that is true and someone you never considered (Brad Kaaya say) is the next Tom Brady? Nobody will say a bad word about this trade in two years time.

    I have no idea if Trubisky is good. First thought in my head when I saw this trade was “Trent Richardson.” But the bottom line?

    Franchise quarterbacks heal all wounds.

  • Bender McLugh

    I like that Trubisky is our guy going forward. I don’t like the trade to get him. I don’t like that we passed on the top D talent in this draft. I can do all of those things at once, and I suggest you boys do the same. Bear the FUCK down.

    • BearDown100393

      The pick is one argument. I mean it is honestly debatable. But the trade? Wow.

  • Redflagdan

    Lots of arm chair GM comments… What my team does is out my control. Regardless I am a life long Bears fan. May not like what happens, but still a fan for life.

    • BearDown100393

      McCaskeys love you.

      • MB30SD

        Bingo

  • King of DBB

    Mully says the Browns offered Lynch the rest of their draft for a switch at 12 and Pace was sure they wanted Trub

    • SC Dave

      I call bullshit. That is absolute bullshit.

      • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

        Probably not the whole draft but I wouldn’t doubt they were offering a significant package.

        • SC Dave

          Obviously less than the Bears did.

          • Oilcandroid

            Nothing wrong with having a bigger package. Our package was immense.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yup. They wanted him that bad, they could have just drafted him.

        Why would they give up their whole draft .. .when they had the first fkn pick?

  • SC Dave

    My real concern is whether or not the organization has anyone capable of honing the skills of a quarterback. History is definitely NOT on our side.

    Right now, the most important person in the Bears organization is the QB coach.

    Dave Ragone better know what he’s doing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      who? fuck. Pizza boy.

  • King of DBB

    “There is no timeline on this. Mike is a great quarterback and could play two years and we go from there. This is a great chance for Mitch to develop the right way – over time.” -Westworld

  • King of DBB

    Mitch Trubisky will be getting trained by Nathan Lane

    • BearDown100393

      At what?

    • Irish Sweetness

      THE HILLLLLLLS ARE ALIVE …….WITH THE SOUND OF MYOOOSIC ….

  • Scharfinator

    Do you guys remember that time that Al Capone felt like an inadequate gangster?

    He stole all he could from Chicago and the 49er’s put him to shame in one night.

    • BearDown100393

      Empty vault. Geraldo.

  • Here’s my $0.02 for how it SHOULD go down:

    1) Open competition in training camp. If it’s anywhere close, tie goes to the rookie.
    2) If it’s not close, let Glennon play. If Bears are <.500 at the bye and/or Glennon struggles, rookie takes over for the 2nd half of the season. If Glennon is playing great, let him keep playing.

    Here's how it will happen because John Fox is the head coach: The mediocre journeyman is the safer play and thus is going to be the only QB to see the field unless he gets hurt.

    • BearDown100393

      18 million won’t be benched for a rookie at week one.

      • Pace has clearly been playing a long con with Trubisky. Hasn’t shown any interest in him-even to Trubisky-in months.

        Threw money at Glennon, publicly stated Glennon was the guy, all the leaks to media said Bears didn’t want a QB in high round 1 when the exact opposite was in fact true.

        Spent months showing all of his public cards as leaning Watson. His comments dating back to last January’s end of season press conference point to Watson, the only guy in this years’ draft who elevated his program (the #1 trait Pace supposedly wanted). They sent every important decision maker to Watson’s draft day.

        This tells me Pace had Trubisky identified as his guy by the end of the college football season, and spent the entire time since then making sure nobody knew that and got ahead of him for Trubisky. Trubisky was the ONLY one of the top 4 QBs they didn’t show public interest in at any point in this process. Of course, he still panicked and had to trade up to get him, but I digress.

        Point is, Pace clearly believes in Trubisky, and just spent a shit-ton of draft capital to get him, so he absolutely should have a chance to play week 1 regardless of how much $$ they threw at Glennon. But he won’t (unless Glennon gets hurt), because John Fox.

        • BearDown100393

          Pace will have to extend Fox first if the plan is to have Trubisky on the field this season.

          • Barring a miracle playoff run, I’m fairly confident this will be Fox’s last season in Chicago. Will be doing research into that for an upcoming article.

          • BearDown100393

            I find this disjointed also. Sorry, cannot help it. If the plan is to draft and groom a QB, why not also start with a new HC? Why the deja vu game a la Cutler?

          • the plan is for Trubisky to sit this year. The way I’m imagining this is the next coach gets hired with the goal of maximizing Trubisky, and is given 2-3 years to do it.

            Pace picked his QB. Next year, he’ll pick his coach to develop his QB.

          • BearDown100393

            Why wait though? Set up the system with a new HC to minimize the growth curve process. Even if he sits, he still has to follow a doomed Fox playbook.

          • Yeah, I would have preferred Fox be fired this last offseason. Or better yet, not get hired in the first place.

            Oh well. Probably thought it was tough to justify cleaning house after only 2 years, plus this keeps Fangio around for at least one more year to continue developing the young defensive players.

          • leftcoast dave

            I saw one comparison of his drop back passer playing style compared to Hoyer but with a much stronger arm. Fox can be the guy to develop him in a conservative run first style with nice help comming from our new big arsed TE who is a BIG target and Benny the Jet with experience to both pick up rushers as well as release for a dump down.

            This could be fun to watch with both Glenny and Trub.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They might draft Kamara.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And if Fox makes the playoffs?

          • BearDown100393

            He’ll be named unanimous COY.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Having the young qb will also make the bears more attractive to potential new coaches. I have zero faith in Foxy. He’s errand boy sent by grocery clerks

          • Irish Sweetness

            How did the Panthers go from 1-15 to the Super Bowl in one off-season?

        • leftcoast dave

          That was anything but panic. Just like last year, he had his target and he was going to get it. Nothing close to panic. He was executing the plan.

          • Depends on who you listen to. I’ve seen national media guys citing NFL sources who say nobody else was trying to trade up.

            Pace said in his presser last night he was fielding calls from teams wanting to trade up for Trubisky, which is why he felt it was necessary to trade up and ensure Trubisky would be a Bear.

            That’s part of the benefit of the long con. Competitors don’t think you want him, so they’ll make that call. If they knew he was interested, they’re only calling SF and not him, so he has no warning.

          • BearDown100393

            So you either believe Pace or you do not. If he conned the league why would he not also con the home fans?

          • entirely possible Pace is lying. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. If Trubisky pans out, this was a great move. If he doesn’t, this was a disaster that will likely cost Pace his career.

            That’s true whether he drafted Trubisky at 2 after this trade or at 3.

          • leftcoast dave
          • It seems Trubisky was pretty much the consensus top QB in the draft, according to NFL teams.

            Spending pick #3, 2 3rd rounders, and a 4th rounder on the top QB in the draft is actually not that expensive compared to what other teams have spent.

          • leftcoast dave

            What was paid for the top two last year? A ton of draft capital.

            Pace had a plan and he executed that plan.

            It really is that simple.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Browns had the first pick! They could have just traded for the Niners pick and got Garrett too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And Chicago is where GMs come to die, remember.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He said, as in a lie. If the trade-down call came, he would have bitten their hands off. 12 gets you Watson and starters from picks.

            You want Trubs and a dent in two drafts, or Watson and extra starters?

          • leftcoast dave

            Three was trade hell. People wanted to go up to 2 for Trub, but who was the first to trade down after SF? Yep 10 and 12 for Mahomes and Watson. Nobody going up in the top ten other than the Bears. Nobody wanted to trade up that high. Pace was stuck with going up for his guy, or taking someone else. Cleveland did not want to go up from 12, they went down.

          • All of Pace’s actions in the past 4 months indicate he thought Trubisky was head and shoulder’s the best QB available this offseason. He obviously thought the difference between Trubisky and Watson was substantial. Time will tell if he is correct.

        • Irish Sweetness

          1. Pace didn’t lie about Glennon being #1, he is #1. This year.

          2. I don’t believe they did anything with Watson, other than the combine.

          • They sent HC, several assistants, GM, and several prominent scouts to Watson’s Pro Day. That caught national attention and started the “Bears want Watson” storylines.

      • willbest

        Not on a John Fox team he won’t

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why? He has much to learn. He is but a padawan. Let him learn.

      We’re paying the babysitter 18 million dollars. Let Mike play, he’s seen NFL defenses before.

      He’s lost to 13 of them.

    • BC

      Question is, does he roll with Sanchez over Trubisky if Glennon gets hurt?

      • BearDown100393

        Once he goes Trub he cannot go back.

        • BC

          I guess I’m asking if the pecking order for 2017-18 is Glennon, Sanchize, Trubs

          • BearDown100393

            Well that seems to make sense. But we’ve long crossed into Cambodia now and entered Brando’s kingdom.

      • God I hope not, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s his job.

  • King of DBB

    Dramatic Re-enactment of call three days ago.

    John Lynch as played by Stephen Lang.
    Westworld as played by James Marden
    Jed Dork as played by Martin Skreli

    Lynch: Uh, yeah, Ryan. I’m afraid I have just about wrapped up a deal with Cleveland for the 2 pick.
    Pace: What are they offering you?
    Lynch: Uh… a lot.
    Pace: how much?
    Lynch: Uh… they are willing to swap the 12th pick and give me… uh… all the rest of their picks.
    (Puts hand over phone mic, does a Inspector Clouseau chuckle to Dork)
    Pace: Wow that’s a lot.
    Lynch: It is. It’s a whole lot. But you know… now that I think about it…
    Pace: Yes?
    Lynch: If you swapped picks with me and threw in your 3rd and 4th pick, I could be persuaded to switch with you. Otherwise I will be picking Mitch Trubisky.
    (Looks at Dork, rolls his eyes)
    Pace: Ok. Well, I guess that is what I have to do then.
    Lynch: Plus picks next year.
    Pace: Ok fine, I will call my people and make it happen.
    Lynch: Excellent.
    (Hangs up phone)

    Dork: You have learned well my young apprentice. Soon we rule the galaxy hand in hand!

    • Except there wasn’t a single rumor about Chicago wanting to trade up until it actually happened, which means Pace was not calling SF about trading up until last minute.

      Everybody-and I mean EVERYBODY-thought Bears were ignoring QB with their high pick. Pace took that con to a near paranoid level.

      • King of DBB

        Think it through.

        Somebody convinced Pace that there was a deal in the works with the Niners to move up and grab Trubisky.

        Pace went to great lengths to feign interest in Watson. That was no matter. Eventually he succumbed to the rumor that somebody wanted Trub at 2.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Translation : he was played.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If Nathan Lane played ex-safety John Lynch I’d buy it.

  • leftcoast dave

    Pace did what he said he would do. “We have our plan and we will stick to our plan.” So everybody clamoring for going all out to fill “the most important position on the field” got what they were hoping for as it was the plan from the beginning. Not going to be Houston, building the team first, or more hopefully, Pace believes he has (or can during the rest of the draft) built a respectable team on both sides of the ball. Very, very good interior three at O line, amazingly adequate OTs, solid TE corp, flexible and potentially very good WRs, the number two RB in the league last year. Good start there. A D line which can be as good as most including Bullard coming along and the red shirt dude who might show bigger than we think, a respectable LB corp and now a rebuilt secondary which is much improved already over last year with second and third year players getting veteran help.

    Now the direction I would have gone, but that’s why they pay Pace the big bux. He did great on days two and three last year and can expect the same now for the rest of the draft with the clear consensus #1 QB in the draft now in our camp.

    • Just like when Pace took over, they don’t have enough studs. You need studs to win in the NFL.

      But you also need quality role players and solid depth. I’d argue they have more of each of those (and from younger guys too) than they did when he took over.

      I think they’re headed in the right direction overall, but none of it matters unless Trubisky pans out. If he does, they could be sneaky good starting in 2018. If he doesn’t, they’re gonna suck for the next 3 years, Pace will be fired, and they’ll probably be looking for another QB in 2020.

      • leftcoast dave

        I think that the pick can be best explained by his assessment of where the team is already in the rebuild. The 9ers are just starting, and signed our throw away QBs. They need to rebuild everywhere. Last year we were close in how many games but decimated by injury. Clearly the best team with the worst record. Now with the pieces in place through two good years of drafting (assuming what is to come) and two good years in FA, I expect a contender for the division and the playoffs. I think this pick says Pace believes he has that team taking the field and now was the time to take the Best QB in the draft, not expecting to have that opportunity again.

        • Not expecting that opportunity again is key, I think. Even winning 5-6 games puts you in picks 6-10 range, and then getting up to top 2 to take the top QB (assuming the teams there are willing to trade down) costs you pretty much your top 3 picks for 2 straight years.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And not worth it therefore, I hope we’re all agreed?

          • leftcoast dave

            I’m good with it Irish. That means he believes he has a competitive team on the field this year and is good with bringing in the next franchise QB. See if the next pick isn’t an OT. Pace must like his DL and his FA additions to help out the rooks already in the secondary.

            Playoffs, baby!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Now let’s run that by the Lombardi scanner:

      “good Interior 3” translates to “no tackles and no depth ”

      Linebackers? Don’t see any great ones. Maybe Leonard.

      D-line? Hicks is good, don’t know the NT. Eddie Goldman is not a defensive end.

      We need a DE. His name is probably McDowell.

      Our defense is far from ready.

  • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

    You can dislike the trade at surface level (I do). But to say you’re 100% sure it is the completely wrong move at this point is incredibly stupid.

    • BearDown100393

      Equally stupid to say 100% sure that is completely right also.

      • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

        Absolutely. We just don’t know and probably won’t know for 2-3 years.

        • BearDown100393

          If this works as planned by Pace, he will be the NFL’s Theo Epstein.

          • King of DBB

            If it doesn’t, we can move on from Phil Emery jokes.

        • King of DBB

          Mully had the NC Head Coach on the radio.

          he said Trub was the best QB he ever coached and is world class accurate.

          • BearDown100393

            What else is he supposed to say though?

          • King of DBB

            He could have said he was a mediocre talent I guess. He did struggle to win the starting job.

            I think the way they spin that is when they say “his best football is ahead of him”.

          • BearDown100393

            It is expected pub. NC will pitch this as a recruitment incentive plug. PR.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He is accurate though. Throws a beautiful fade too, which will be his bread and butter in the endzone to Meredith or Sims.

          • willbest

            Exactly, he wants to recruit high school athletes he needs to show them he is going to have their back when they enter the lottery.

  • Willie

    So… anything new with you guys?

    • BearDown100393

      Slow Bears news cycle. Nothing much happening right now.

  • King of DBB

    Today Ryan Pace is wearing a black blazer over a white T-shirt that says “Go Big or Go Home”

    • willbest

      Ryan Pace

  • Irish Sweetness

    Bastard new thread, thanks.

    You’ve all slept on this, I haven’t, but have come around to the event.

    We got a higher quality character than Cutty. Chucky said he was raised right. I like the sound of that, and I like Mitch. He’ll work hard and he’s a good kid, with the accuracy that coaching doesn’t get you.

    Now bring me 6’3 safeties and corners.

    • leftcoast dave

      Don’t forget about Deondre Hall being back there as a converted CB to FS with freakishly long arms. If he can just quit playing the foo back in Collegetown he can be that guy.

  • CanadaBear

    The way I look at it is like Theo when he traded for Chapman and over paid. Theo said, if not now, when? Not crazy about the pick (esp the trade up) but give Pace credit for going all in.

    • BearDown100393

      Cubs were already a contender. This Bears roster not that yet.

      • leftcoast dave

        That we shall see. I think the move says that Pace believes he has the team to contend with already.

      • CanadaBear

        True enough but does POX feel like they were contenders last year without all the injuries? Who knows?

  • BC

    Hey guys it’s BC, what did I miss?

  • leftcoast dave

    So, what happens tonight? Being absolutely and totally wrong about where Pace would go yesterday does not stop me from opining on tonight!
    Target: OT. Who?

    ANTONIO GARCIA, Troy (6-6 ½, 301, 5.13, 2-3)
    JULIE’N DAVENPORT, Bucknell (6-6 ½, 317, 5.44, 3

    I’d trade that 2 pick down as often as I can with my eye on my target OT and stock the D in the fourth round. Plenty of athletes down there, might even find another Jordan Howard.

    • 505Bears

      At this point, he’s going kicker

      • leftcoast dave

        Don’t know, might also be long snapper or punter.

        • 505Bears

          He’ll have to trade up for that. There’s riverboat Ron and now there’s rickshaw Ryan

    • willbest

      I would imagine he looks to trade back. I kind of hope he just grabs some defensive talent and calls it a day.

    • Ososfan

      More like a Fourth round guy, I think… Wait… We don’t have one… Yet.

    • Irish Sweetness

      No OT in the 4th. Shallow draft for them. Got to be the safety in 4. Will Malik be there at 36?

      If he trades back from 36 with McDowell on the board I’ll lose my shit.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Jus’ sayin;.

    98% of Mitch’s snaps in college were from shotgun?

    Wow.

    • CanadaBear

      Do you really think he can’t take a snap under center?

      • 505Bears

        Quicker reads when you are under center. After and pre-snap

        • CanadaBear

          Again, do you think he can’t be taught to take snaps from under center?

          • 505Bears

            He can, but a dog can be taught to skateboard too. And the dog wasn’t picked #2 overall

          • CanadaBear

            Seems like a false equivalency, no?

          • Irish Sweetness

            We can teach him that. And what a hard count is. And all the other stuff he likely doesn’t know. yes.

            It will take time.

          • Sahr Gborie

            why not just go with someone who knows all this already. why buy a car without the options hoping you can add them later?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well, Watson was my dude … but I have a feeling Mr. Pace looked into all of this a bit more than I did.

            I hope he did.

      • willbest

        Weren’t they saying he didn’t know what under center meant or some shit?

        • CanadaBear

          That was the hard count.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I know I can’t play the violin, I probably could if I practiced.

  • willbest

    Pace I think is trying to be too clever. He pays Glennon and gets a raw QB. And not just a few million to potentially start. He made Glennon the clear starter. Well the raw QB won’t start so no grade on him for 2017. Next year he sends Fox packing and gets his new HC. A rookie coach with an effectively rookie QB? You can’t fire him if its uneven. So Pace gets 2019. That is the year Pace has now set up as his do or die season. If they make the playoffs that year, he gets a 5 year extention, if he doesn’t well he at least got 5 years on the top of the world.

    Now whether a plan is good for Pace, doesn’t mean its good for the Bears. I say this because… our team is sorely lacking all over the place when you realize that included in the top 10 players on the roster right now are Young, Sitton, Freeman, and Long and there are not good odds that these people are going to be a part of your 2019 season. The best DB on our roster is Demps and he will be 35.

    • Sahr Gborie

      No way he sends Fox packing. He said Fox was in on the decision to grab Mitchell.T.

      • willbest

        And Mike Glennon is our quarterback.

        • Sahr Gborie

          I cant see the light at the end of the tunnel any more

      • Ososfan

        Well, Fox kinda has to be like it or not..

  • 505Bears

    Trump, Trubisky…I see a shitty pattern happening here :)….Beware the Tru

    • Bender McLugh

      booooo bad joke booooooooo

  • CanadaBear

    You guys are killing me. None of us know if any of these guys are gonna pan out. The Bears have been in QB hell forever and the only way to get out is to keep getting QB’s until you get it right. I hated the trade and would have preferred Watson but so what. I’m certain Pace knows more about college football talent than me.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Me too C-Bear. We have a guy. Finally.

    • Ososfan

      Ditto, C-bear. Took some time to reflect and all. We will mostly be with ya, on that conclusion sooner or later…

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m with you and really have had the same thought since a few minutes after the pick was announced.

      I’m personally not sold on Trubisky but Pace obviously is. So let’s see. And Pace also liked Mariota and Wentz, which gives me a smidge of reassurance as I think both those guys are going to be good NFL starters.

  • Sactowns#1

    All of the people with the “Wait and see attitude” really piss me off. Here’s an idea, I work with a color blind guy. He thinks the sky is green. Now the overwhelming majority of us see it as blue. But maybe we should wait and see if this guy is right. I mean the sky COULD be green. one day we could all wake up, look at the sky and say “what a lovely emerald hue”. But that’s highly unlikely. just as it is HIGHLY unlikely this pud is a quality QB. Every other scout and team had him as the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft and many had him going in the second round. So you keep waiting to see if the sky is green and I’ll keep believing everyone else who says its blue.

    • Bender McLugh

      “this pud”. you, sir, are being ridiculous.

    • Bender McLugh

      and no, he was not lasting in to the 2nd round

    • Sahr Gborie

      not to be a douche-bag but there are some people who see the different colors in the when they look at the sky. its a mutation. im just as pissed of as you are. until i am proven wrong this pick was a waste

      • Sactowns#1

        Reality is whatever the overwhelming majority see it to be. In this case, the overwhelming majority saw this guy as being crap.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s why he was constantly touted as the best QB in the draft. I get you hate the pick but making stuff up doesn’t help your argument.

          • Sactowns#1

            The best QB in the worst QB draft in a decade isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. Considering every draft board had DE and DB’s going ahead of him, and in most cases a RB, just solidifies my point.

          • Irish Sweetness

            3 WRS in 9 picks, too.

          • leftcoast dave

            That was a shock to all, three and a half if you count C Mac.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Redskins taking Corey Davis, a midget .. that high. I’m pissed if I’m a skins fan.

        • willbest

          Reality is regardless of what you perceive. The same frequency light that reaches your eyes reaches your coworkers as well.

          Every NFL GM perceived Dak, Romo, Wilson, Brady as not being starting QB material. Reality, bit them on the ass.

          • Sactowns#1

            Ah so I should hang my hat on your miracle finds. How about reaching for Shea Mclellin? White? Etc. etc.

          • willbest

            Was White a reach? Seems like White is the poster child for safe picks gone wrong. He was ranked over Cooper in some mocks.

            I am not saying Trubisky is a miracle find. Just saying it doesn’t matter if we don’t think he will transition or not. Goff had a much rougher time of it than people expected. Wentz far easier. And those are two guys everybody looked at and formed opinions for.

            We will know soon enough.

          • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

            Emery picked Shea.

      • Ososfan

        THISS!!!!!

    • BerwynBomber

      “Every other scout and team had him as the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft and many had him going in the second round.”

      The first half of that sentence is untrue. The second is questionable.

      But what is true is that many draft experts had him as a mid-to-late first round guy. As an example (and I’m working from memory here), Kiper had Trubiski as his 25th ranked player in the draft, Mahomes as his 29th, Watson as his 35th and Kizer as his 48th.

      But QBs are always overvalued in the draft and for good reason.

    • King of DBB

      So the Wizard of Oz was color blind and it was the Cobalt City all along?

      Man that old fart is such a con artist.

    • The Browns and Jets were both looking to trade up into top 5 to take him, they had him as QB1.

      Rumor is Chiefs did too.

      It seems pretty much all the teams who needed a QB thought he was the best one in this years’ draft. And several thought him worthy of a top 5 pick.

      • Sactowns#1

        Oh wait. We were battling with the Browns to see who could overvalue the QB more?! Well then I feel much better.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Browns got Garret, Njoku and Peppers!

        • MB30SD

          BINGO!!!

          Said this above. The old browns and the jets were battling the new browns for this guy. Awesome, I’m sure he’s going to the fucking HOF

    • Cool, so I guess Kyle Long was a huge reach at 20 and is always gonna suck, right?

      • Sactowns#1

        I’m all about linemen. If we reached for a lineman I’m all for it. Reaching for this pud was laughable.

        • King of DBB

          He is super affable and media friendly.

          Between Glennon and him, we will have the cleanest nicest Qbs since Josh McCown had his half season heyday.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He is nice.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t give a fuck if he’s nice. I want him to be fucking brilliant for a #2 spot and 3 picks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            IFF he’s he best QB in the draft, then that’s a fairly high probability … compared to what we usually get. No?

          • MB30SD

            I don’t trust us to pick a decent fucking QB anywhere in the draft

        • Why? Because you said so?

          News flash: the guy that the majority of the NFL considers the top QB in the draft is not a reach at #2 overall. That’s right about where he’s going to go most years, maybe even 1 pick lower.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’ll see how Kyle does this season …

      • Ososfan

        Wood! Where were ya yesterday man!?

        • Mostly not around at night because I’m home and get a small amount of time to spend with my wife.

          I was on Twitter a good bit last night though.

    • leftcoast dave

      People, real people in the draft, three that we know of believed Trub to be the top QB. That was KC, Cleveland and us. The highest the next guy went was 10, then 12. Mahomes and Watson. You judge value based upon what someone is willing to pay. KC was willing to pay up for Trub as was Cleveland. KC went up to 10 for Mahomes and Houston went up to 12 for Watson.

      Nobody paid up for anything in the first round for anybody other than those three QBs until the late rounds.

      The three pick was draft hell. Use it for who you want, of get sloppy seconds. Clearly Pace thinks the top ranked QB in the draft was the best he could get and the best time to get the best chance at a franchise QB, not planning to ever be back in the top ten for years to come.

      • Sactowns#1

        Which makes the move to 2 even dumber. Does anyone think the Niners were taking Mitchell? This sunklen eyed, no beard growing bastard?! http://omgfootballnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1492335675_maxresdefault.jpg

        • leftcoast dave

          No, KC was bidding and Cleveland was bidding, possibly even the Jets. Trub was going at 2. The only question was who was getting him. Then the next question is, who do you take at three with nobody trading up until the 10? Would KC or Houston have paid up for your three to get their QB?

          Speculate away. We know what we know and we gamble if we choose.

          • MB30SD

            look at the teams bidding for him maings.

            Fucking the old browns, jets, and KC (who are desperate for a new QB). If you would have told me seattle, packers, etc… we’re I would have been like OKKKAAAY! maybe we gots something here.

            Cleveland
            jets
            desperate

          • Sactowns#1

            Exactly MB. We are now emulating the Browns instead of the likes of NE or GB.

          • CanadaBear

            Seattle and GB have top 10 QB’s already. They weren’t picking any QB in the first rd.

          • Johnnywad

            Precisely. Nor did they have the third pick in the draft to bargain with.

            I’m fine with the move. Hopefully he hit a home run. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. Pace flames out and we start over.

            Just don’t get why so many are instantly pissed off. Pace finally addressed a real problem. He addressed it very aggressively. And now that’s no good either.

          • MB30SD

            my point was, those teams know how to find (and develop) QBs, we have proven not to for however long we’ve been around.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Just curious. Why would GB or SEA be looking to trade up for a first round QB?

          • MB30SD

            wilson won’t get hurt again? Vadgers is getting younger not older?

            Come on maings

          • Irish Sweetness

            Pace’s 2018 3rd rounder sealed it. Had to be. That was the re-raise.

            Nobody was getting cleaned out to re-raise again.

      • BC

        The interesting thing is that we will compare these 3 together for the next few years and draw final conclusions based on a limited sample size. The reality is that Watson will probably have the best rookie year because Jaguars, Colts, Titans. Also, he’ll play right away, he’s got Hopkins, Fuller V, Jalen Strrong and C.J. Fiedorowicz to throw to, a good O-Line and Lamar Miller & Friends to tote the rock. He’s got the infrastructure around him to succeed, if he doesn’t I would judge him more harshly then Mahomes and Trubisky (in that order).

    • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

      You have no clue where every other team and scout had him rated.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        He was Rated G by everyone but the Browns who rated him as PG-13.

    • CanadaBear

      Instead of waiting to see if he pans out we should jump to conclusions and make shit up because we’re pissed? None for me thanks.

    • Johnnywad

      What a giant crock of shit.

      Color perception is a bit more of a certainty than what any given college football player will turn into in the NFL.

      Pace wasn’t the only one that liked the guy. Many GMs did and the kid’s been moving up the board for months. Pace was just more willing to gamble he’s legit.

      Truth is, nobody knows. And we will wait and see. I hope like hell he’s really good. And you can keep anxiously waiting for him to fail so the sky stays blue for you.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      You my friend are fucking idiot. lol.

    • Captain Obvious

      You know, a lot of people thought Rodgers was not the best QB in his draft, too.

      Some people thought RGIII was the best QB in that draft.

      Ryan Leaf was a consensus home run.

      Tom Brady was passed over by everyone multiple times.

      So yes, let’s wait and see.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Look at it thru the angry red spectacles, Sac, or the rose-tinted.

      It’s all a lot easier when you choose the latter, and it is a choice.

      Peace, brother!

      (minces away) (NTTAWWT)

  • Ososfan

    I went a little overboard last night. Let’s see what Pace and co. Have in store today and then judge? Bear down , still rooting for any new guys, because they’re new teammates, bear down!

    • Sactowns#1

      I hear they are going to trade back so they can draft a one legged kicker and a special needs special teams player. Feel good draft of the century.

      • Ososfan

        Ha!!!! Haha haha! “The triple-cripple-OG’s”

  • Bender McLugh

    seems there needs to be some good will to share. here’s some boobies

    https://tiredtrade.tumblr.com/post/142142112149/iliketheseboobs-wow-big-tits-live-big-tits?is_related_post=1

    • Ososfan

      Well, at least most of us share in the titties love as does our new QB!

    • CanadaBear

      Bless you!

    • willbest

      I hate shaven twats on small breasted gals. It makes me feel creepy.

  • BerwynBomber

    Wonder if Bears and KC would be open to a Bridgewater/Bradford situation this summer with Glennon and Smith. Gotta imagine Pace would leap on it. Tougher deal for KC as they were a post-season team last year.

    But KC could be trying to move Smith next off-season.

    • Ososfan

      Glennon is younger, probably cheaper and has a stronger arm but is unproven… Will be interesting..

  • Sahr Gborie

    A football player’s best ability is his availability. His potential talent doesn’t matter since he is not on the field playing the game. Mitchell.T can’t help his new team win on the
    sideline, because he will not be playing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “A football player’s best ability is his availability.”

      Erm, no, not for me mate. Availability is not an ability.

    • BerwynBomber

      Except when a team desires a certain player be in a back-up/soak it up role. Not too worried whether Trubiski starts middle of this year or beginning of next.

      • willbest

        Ideally the last 4 games of this season. He is going to need to thread the needle in the preseason. He needs to look decent to good but not amazing against 4th stringers

        • MrPoopoopachu

          Trubisky doesn’t have to show us/fans anything until he takes the field in a regular season game. Whether that’s this coming season or next. The kid has been a Bear for all of a few days and has already been greeted to Chicago’s shitty welcoming committee, getting booed at the Bulls game, enduring endless second-guessing of his abilities by local media and nat’l. draft pundits (…Heath Evans is garbage). Agree with how Pace went about the pick or not. Be disappointed in which QB they chose or don’t. Trubisky is a Bear. It’s been 50+ years since the Bears took the #1 graded QB in a draft. Let that sink in. This isn’t the Bears drafting McNown or Rex. This kid was the most coveted QB in the draft. Period.

          …Also, KC and Houston gave up 1st round picks in ’18 to move up and get their future QBs, both of whom were almost universally graded lower everywhere than Trubisky.

  • Sactowns#1

    I think my favorite argument so far is “Well the Browns were going to move up and take him”. LOL If you hear the browns are going to do something ni the draft you do the OPPOSITE of that. You don’t double down and out Browns the Browns. lol lol lol

    • Ron Swanson’s Mustache

      Really excellent logic.

  • BerwynBomber

    Poor MB. Didn’t see him since early last night. If nothing else, hope he watched ESPN’s coverage as Gruden absolutely drooled over Adams, called him the best player in the entire draft and his game very reminiscent of Rodney Harrison’s.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think he wanted Thomas in the end.

      • Big Mike

        He was creating scenarios he could live with. He wanted Adams, like a fatboy wants cake. I was with him. Adams is going to be a beast. But Trub’s our guy. Let’s see what happens.. 🙂

        • MB30SD

          correct mike. I WANTED adams, I thought we GET thomas.

          I never in a million years imagined pace would put his throat to the guillotine like this

          (on a side note, holy shit! I spelled guillotine right the first time!!)

          • Big Mike

            I hear you brother. Now I’m trying to look at it from his side. I don’t hate it. But like every pick, it depends on the guy working out. If we have solved QB it’s a huge, huge win.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Gotta live with it, and hopefully enjoy the ride. To let it bum you out is … y’know … a choice.

            Best QB in the draft they say.

            But are they the ones who would have prized Art Schlichter over Jim McMahon?

    • MB30SD

      I’ll never quit you maings.

      I’m just starting to care less and less about the bears.

      I’ll always come here for assholes.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “The Most Important Question Facing the Bears: When Does Trubisky Play?”

    Is it ?

    Not the defense, then? Which is terrible.

  • BC

    Of the last XXV super bowl winning QB’s, there are 2 who are not HOF’ers or future HOF’ers (admittedly Flacco is questionable), Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson (although not HOF’ers they had been to Pro Bowls); what did they have in common? 2 of the top 5 greatest defenses EVER. If you don’t have an 85 Bears D, you need a QB (hey, that rhymes). I can see why these GM’s get in a tizzy when they like a QB. We have an example in the recent present where teams have just continually thrown QB’s at the wall until 1 sticks, the Seahawks. They traded for Matt Flynn and Pornstache Whitehurst and drafted Russ Wilson (granted they did so in the 3rd round, but still). Washington drafted RG III 2nd overall and then grabbed Cousins in the 4th that same year. I respect the effort and I hope it works. We could find out that Glennon is awesome and never even have to see Trubisky and I would be fine with that. We’re mad now but if Glennon or Trubs is awesome we wont be.

    On a side note, I hope Jamal Adams is awful because it’s gonna hurt if he isn’t.

    • MB30SD

      BC!!!!!!!!!!

      oh, and he’s not going to be awful. All this, he’s not that athletic, bullshit is just that. Dude is going to be landon collins++

      • BC

        in the digital flesh.

  • Sahr Gborie

    Drafting Mitchell.T was approved by that accountant Ted Phillips we call a team president. Nuff said.

  • MB30SD

    New thread btw

  • ButtonShoes

    Having had the benefit of some rest and time to reflect, I can definitively say that what Ryan Pace did yesterday was still a giant, colossal blunder, and I can’t wait until the day when that jackass of a GM is fired and sent running out of this town for good.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    weed bad. but let’s get this known PED user to announce a pick during the draft. sounds about right.

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