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Scouting the National Championship: Allen, Williams, Watson

| January 9th, 2017

There are three players in tonight’s national title game between Clemson and Alabama worth paying special attention to from a Bears perspective.

Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama

By the time the draft arrives, Allen will be the consensus pick to the Bears…if he makes it that far. Daniel Jeremiah is in love with Allen, well-reported in his piece for NFL.com:

I reached out to five NFL personnel executives to find out who Allen reminds them of at the NFL level. Here’s a look at their responses.

Executive 1: Richard Seymour
“Allen isn’t as long or as tall as Seymour, but I see him as the same type of player. He’s very talented.”

Executive 2: Sheldon Richardson
“This is a tough one. He reminds me a little of Sheldon Richardson. Similar size. However, Richardson had more juice and Allen is stronger.”

Executive 3: Ndamukong Suh
“I haven’t come up with a great comparison for him. I do see some similarities to Suh when he was at Nebraska.”

Executive 4: Brandon Graham
“He is a really good player but I don’t view him the same as some of the top interior guys like (Geno) Atkins and (Aaron) Donald. He’s a tweener, similar to Brandon Graham when he was coming out of Michigan. Good player, not an elite player.”

Executive 5: Gerald McCoy
“He’s a tougher, grittier version of Gerald McCoy.”

Summary: That’s one vote apiece for Graham, McCoy, Richardson, Seymour and Suh.

Conclusion: I’ve struggled to come up with my own comparison for Allen. I compared him to Jurrell Casey after studying him this summer, but I no longer think it fits. He’s more powerful than Casey and I think he’s more versatile, too. In my opinion, he dominates college games similar to the way Suh dominated games at Nebraska. However, I think Suh had rare strength and power. I don’t put Allen in that class. I look forward to watching the rest of Allen’s season and hopefully I’ll be able to settle on a comparison with more time to study him leading up to the 2017 NFL Draft.

A defensive line of Allen, Goldman and Hicks in 2017 would make the Bears front an absolute force. Not the flashiest bunch by any means but strong, tough and borderline immovable.

Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

You know who Mike Williams reminds me of? Mike Williams. Seriously, can we stop with all these wide receivers named Mike Williams? It’s confusing.

The only way Williams has any chance to be a member of the Chicago Bears is if they say goodbye to Alshon Jeffery this offseason. Williams is a top ten pick.

From Lance Zierlein:

The scoop: “Really pretty looking when you watch him down on the field, but he’s not there yet. I think he’ll get there, but he’s not there yet. I don’t think he’s going to run as fast as people think. When college players get up here and find out that cornerbacks are faster and more physical, there is an adjustment period. I think it will take him some time to figure things out, but I think he’ll do it. He’s going to be good. I just don’t know if he’s going to be a star.” — NFC personnel director on Clemson WR Mike Williams

The skinny: Williams might not have blazing speed, but ever since November, he’s taken his game to another level. Scouts were anxious to see how he would bounce back after missing all but the first game of the 2015 season with a neck injury. Based on what I’ve heard from evaluators, they’ve seen all they need to from Williams, as he has fully rehabilitated his draft stock after showing that his toughness and ball skills haven’t diminished a bit. With that said, draft stock will definitely be on the line when Williams is matched up against talented redshirt sophomore cornerback Marlon Humphrey on Monday night in the national championship game. Humphrey is big, physical and has good recovery speed if Williams gets by him.

Here’s what I like about Williams: he catches everything. I think he’s going to have an Anquan Boldin-type career.

Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

Watson is going to be the most debated player in this draft and here’s why I think Bears fans should pay attention.

  • The range of opinion on Watson has him being drafted anywhere from second overall to the middle of the third round. Bears won’t have to use the third pick to get him.
  • Watson is supremely talented. But I can’t imagine a scenario wherein he starts in the NFL next September. And this might be the exact setup the Bears are looking for. Start a Brian Hoyer or bring in Tyrod Taylor for a few years while grooming Watson for the league.
  • Watson has been invited to the Senior Bowl. The Bears are coaching the Senior Bowl. And every report on Watson describes him as a great young man who impresses the hell out of his coaches.

Former Bears scout Greg Gabriel is a child on Twitter and not a good enough writer to, you know, write. But I still respect the opinions of those who’ve done the job for an NFL franchise over the hundreds of internet folks who make up the Draft Industrial Complex. Here’s some of Greg’s piece on Watson:

Watson is listed as being 6-3, 215 pounds. Most scouts who have seen him in person say it’s more like 6-1Β½ and 205 pounds. We will find out for sure at the Combine. Regardless, he has a lean frame and will never be optimum NFL size.

As an athlete, he has quick feet, very good speed (4.60 estimated 40-yard dash) and excellent body control. He has excellent maneuverability in the pocket, a very good feel for pass rushers and can make and extend plays with his feet. He also does a great job throwing the ball with accuracy while on the run.

Watson plays in a fairly simple spread offense and for the most part it is a half-field-read scheme. He usually has two reads and possibly a check-down receiver. In all the games I viewed, he never looked at the opposite side of the field.

As a passer, Watson has a quick release and good-to-very good arm strength. He throws a tight ball and for the most part his ball placement is good. He generally does a good job seeing the field and usually makes good decisions. There are times when he gets impatient and will force the ball. Louisville and Pitt were two of those games. He threw three interceptions in each of those games. That said, he also threw for over 800 yards and eight touchdowns in those contests.

While he will make the occasional poor decision and poor throw, he also makes some throws that few college quarterbacks can make. He has some gunslinger to him and that can be both good and bad. He can make all the throws required to be a solid NFL quarterback.

Watson is a special talent. But there’s been hundreds of special talents who haven’t translated to the NFL. Will he be one of them?

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  • Toth Horton

    Firsties,
    Allen or Hooker in the 1st. Wouldn’t mind Watson in the 2nd-3rd

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Not much of a scouting anslysis.

  • Rack ’em (GP)
    • MB30SD

      Yay legalized gambling!

  • MB30SD

    Another tweener that no one can reeeaaally place… Um, no thanks. I’ll take a hooker if he makes it to draft day at the same or better level

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      He’s 6’3 and 291, and very used to sliding in to play DT – thus knowing how to play inside the tackle or over the guard. Effectively a prototypical LDE/RDE in a 3-4 scheme.

      You couldn’t ask for a better fit for our scheme than Allen.

      Not to mention he’s enough of an athlete/beast with speed that you could put Unrein in his spot at LDE and STAND HIM UP – doing the Allen Houston bit at OLB on certain downs and distances, creating the mother of all bull rush packages.

      • 505Bears

        Donald is listed at 6’1, 285…..given he’s a freak, but it can be done

      • MB30SD

        Sounds great… I’d still like hoojer

  • BerwynBomber

    “The only way Williams has any chance to be a member of the Chicago Bears is if they say goodbye to Alshon Jeffery this offseason because Williams isn’t going to be available by the time we get to the tenth pick.”

    Tenth pick? Did we trade down? Do we have two first rounders this year?

    • Big Mike

      Typo?

    • BillW

      “The only way Williams has any chance to be a member of the Chicago Bears is if they say goodbye to Alshon Jeffery this offseason because Williams isn’t going to be available by the time we get to the tenth pick.”

      The whole sentence was confusing. How does getting rid of (or not getting rid of) Jeffery affect Williams draft position?

      Tenth pick?

      Even at any pick, he’s available if they say goodbye to Jeffery, but drafted ahead of the Bears if they keep him?

      Jeff – could you clarify?

      • BerwynBomber

        I re-read it. My guess is he meant to say that Williams is a top-ten pick, and the only way Bears select him at #3 is if they know Jeffrey is leaving.

        • BillW

          Yeah – that makes sense. It was the “we” that confused me – thinking that meant the Bears.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears are trading Barkley for a 1st round pick but it is all hush hush.

  • BearDown100393

    Joey Porter got busted last night.

  • Joecashflow

    Andrew, drafting a QB at #3 draft position is high risk, especially when there are more pressing needs on D, Edge rusher or secondary. Even higher risk would be paying for a declining QB with known back injuries, like Romo. Hoyer as the starter is the smart play. Find a QB in later rounds or not. Still time to shop after the draft. Fill the D in the draft with BPA. We have had success with that strategy under Pace. Continue to build thru the draft. Drafting QB’s is always a crap shoot. Johnny Football !

    • Big Mike

      Hoyer is an option, but in my view that’s the “give up” move. Pace is going to be aggressive looking at a lot of options. Everything involving a QB is high risk. I don’t think the Bears take a QB at three. But settling for Hoyer, blah.

      • CanadaBear

        I’ve got no issue with Hoyer starting if they actually draft a QB in the first couple of rounds. I’m guessing they bring Shaw back and there’s a decent chance he could beat out Hoyer. If they don’t draft a QB fairly high, they’d better get another option to choose from than Hoyer, Shaw, Barkley (and Cutler is not an option, Irish).

        • willbest

          This. If they aren’t drafting a QB in round 1 or 2, and Hoyer is the presumptive QB 1, then the Bears are looking at a 5-11 season as “progress”

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I’m okay Hoyer PROVIDED they are grooming a kid. Then again, I would say the same if they kept Cutty.

          Frankly, the future of the QB position should have been addressed a couple of years ago.

        • BillW

          I’ve seen enough of Barkley to last a lifetime. I think we’re in for another year of “who’s the guy” no matter what.

          • CanadaBear

            If they draft a QB in the first couple of rounds we will know who the guy is eventually. If not, well you and I have been around long enough to know the answer to that. Nobody on this roster.

      • Joecashflow

        Haha! We all remember that Hoyer playoff game, his last with the Texans. Even he said, he learned the value of not throwing INT’s. Cost him his job. So I think he does throw, not to make the play, but to not throw the INT. He will never be the “throw it up for grabs to Jeffrey” kind a guy. He plays to keep his job. But he is a decent fall back plan while we developed someone. I would be really really surprised, excepting injuries, that we took a FA over 30 QB. The kid Shaw showed potential,before he was cheap shotted. I keep telling myself, we ended the season with our 4th string QB. So let’s not over-react. BPA. BPA. Keep adding youth to our D starters.

        • BearDown100393

          Did Brock Osweiler really do anything on the field that could not have been performed by Brian Hoyer?

          • Joecashflow

            Actually Osweiler has a terrible windup release., Hoyers is better. They both suffer on 25+ yd accuracy. Payton won a SB with no 25+ yd accuracy when he was a geezer.

          • willbest

            And one of the 3 best defenses in the last 20 years.

          • Joecashflow

            Yeah. And we are working on it. BPA. BPA.

          • willbest

            He didn’t fuck up a playoff game. So you have proof that he did do something Hoyer didn’t

    • Scharfinator

      What are people’s thoughts on Tyrod? Did Rex derail the poor guy or did the league just get wise to him?

      • willbest

        Tyrod can start, though I thought he just threw a hissy fit. So the attitude might not be there even if the ability is.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He just had groin surgery. If he passes a physical, they owe him $27M.

        • Captain Obvious

          If he FAILS his physical, they owe him $27.5 million.

          His physical is in mid-March. I don’t know if that $ for failing the physical counts against their salary cap in any way, but even if not, you gotta believe Buffalo is rooting for him to get well, soon.

  • BillW

    Like it or not, the Packers’ success on Hail Mary’s can’t be dismissed as luck. They practice it (though Rodgers said they haven’t in several weeks) and everyone knows what to do. Rodgers in fact seems to just heave it – it’s the receivers (who likely push off somewhat – and why not?) who judge the trajectory and position themselves.

    It’s time opposing defenses put a strategy together and not treat it as a fluke play. It starts with not giving Rodgers the time to throw. The Giants had FIVE defenders in front of Cobb. All essentially useless. If three more rushed he would never have gotten the time to throw. And with time running out, who cares if he scrambles or throws short?

    It really make the opposing defensive coaches look very dumb.

    • BerwynBomber

      We hit on one too this year against TB.

      Giants, like DET on Sat night, hurt themselves with some key drops early on, and the HM was a kick in the nuts. But all of it might not have mattered because Rodgers became molten hot in the second half.

      But my guess is GB will be finished by next Sun night. DAL is too damn good and the Cheese D is still as smelly as a crusty sock. Plus, Nelson might be done for the year.

      • willbest

        I don’t know, GB is actually top 10 against the run while being bottom 10 against the pass. Zeke is special but he and Dak are rookies. The moment might get to them, especially if GB can get ahead.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, but their pass D is painfully bad. Like bottom of the league/2014 Bears bad.

          But I get your point about first playoff games for rookies.

          I think the best match-up next week will be PIT at KC, provided R-berger can play near 100%. The worst will obviously be the NE game.

          • SC Dave

            The Patriots game may be closer than you expect.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hope you’re right, but I don’t see it. More importantly, neither does Vegas.

        • CanadaBear

          Part of that top 10 against the run is due to them being so pathetic at pass D. No need to run.

          • AlbertInTucson

            If they take a quarter to get back into a groove, Rodgers could have them down by double digits before they know what hit them.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I’m not sure the week off actually helps the rookies.

          • willbest

            Gives them too much time to think about it. At least they haven’t turned up in Miami yet.

      • CanadaBear

        I read a bunch of comments from Fudgie fans in a big snit over Hall’s hit on Nelson. Of all fan bases to cry about cheap shots. Not to mention, it wasn’t even penalized. I’d be surprised if he even gets fined. I’m guessing Nelson broke some ribs. He was in some serious pain.

        • BillW

          Probably should have been flagged (according to Pereira) but refs miss that stuff regularly. Like what Mathews does from time to time.

          • AlbertInTucson

            It was spearing.

            I also demonstrated that the rule is intended to protect the defender, as well.

            Watch the play and you see Hall paid a price on the hit, too.

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            Hall speared him like Jack freaking Tatum.

        • Joecashflow

          I don’t understand a guy that routinely goes high for passes doesn’t wear rib pads.

          • CanadaBear

            I’d wear a flak jacket.

          • SC Dave

            More weight = less speed

        • AlbertInTucson

          Hall knocked himself woozy on that hit.

      • BillW

        I’ve wanted GB to be done for weeks but Rodgers is locked in. Well, he was lost for a while yesterday but got it all back in plenty of time. The one thing that didn’t surprise me but makes me wonder – after that WR/RB ran all over us, they stopped using him essentially. They insist on being a pass-happy team.

        Home crowd will make Dak and Zeke more comfortable (I hope). It’s up to the Dallas D to make Rodgers uncomfortable. NY did a great job of that for a while, but the O couldn’t keep the score close. Dallas will need to score in the 30s I think.

        • BerwynBomber

          Rodgers is playing out of his fucking mind right now: something like 20 TDs and 0 INTs in the last seven games. And even in their last reg season loss against WAS he played exceptionally.

          But they are still largely a one-man band. I don’t trust their D at all. Plus, McCarthy can usually be counted on for one huge bonehead decision per game.

          • willbest

            You mean like where they went for it on 4th down, but then Rodgers saved his ass.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yup …

          • SC Dave

            That one is enough.

  • willbest

    If Pace lets Jeffery walk and uses his first round to draft a WR (without trading back to pick up a first next year and another 2nd this year) I am going to lose my damn mind.

    Pay Jeffery, move on to more pressing issues.

    • BillW

      Not sure I’d pay Jeffery what he likely can get but I sure will be upset if we use the third overall pick on a WR.

      We have the cap space to pay him, but it just upsets too much down the line for other contracts.

      • That Guy

        More than that, Jeffery or not, drafting WR third overall is more or less an admission that Keven White is a bust. I haven’t seen enough of White to know whether or not he’s a bust (he’s barely seen the field), but Pace writing him off would definitely be a downer.

        Plus, outside of QB, I really want to see the team focus the top of the draft on building the defensive talent.

        • DaCoaches Mustache

          White is a speed guy, and he broke his leg twice in 2 years. I’m writing him off. He might become a decent receiver, but his ceiling has definitely been lowered these past two years. He will never live up to the spot he was drafted.

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            White is done.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Yup.

          • That Guy

            πŸ™ You’re probably right.

            All the more reason to sign Jeffery. We’ve got the cap space; he’s a known quantity and I don’t think anyone in the draft is a sure thing to be better.

            Allen is interesting to me, but I’d still prefer Garrett given the choice of D-linemen. Whether I’d take Allen over Hooker is a tougher decision.

            That’s the top three though Allen, Garrett and Hooker. Unless a QB convinces me.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            if by done you mean he is done being injured for the rest of his career and will become the 2nd greatest Bears receiver of all time only behind BRAVERMAN, then WOOHOO!

    • Even if you don’t pay Jeffery, sign a lesser vet (or two) and roll with that + Meredith + White. Somebody who’s a solid NFL WR if not a top guy. Like a Kenny Stills, or Kendall Wright. Something like that.

      • willbest

        Good point. There is now no situation where I approve of drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds

      • SC Dave

        How you can recommend rolling with White is beyond me.

        • Scharfinator

          Rolling, because he won’t be walking!

          Because his legs are bad!…. Now I’m sad πŸ™

          • MB30SD

            hee hee, like wheelchair! I get it! Funny!

        • willbest

          I don’t know if it is a recommendation so much as we are stuck with him. I feel White, Meredith, and Bellamy are pretty much a lock at this point. The question is what to do with the other 3 WR spots.

        • My point is that you can’t afford to go into next year with Meredith, rookie, and White as your top 3. You need some proven vet in there.

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  • willbest

    Bryant… I hope you have a strength of character made out of titanium (and/or a prenup made of the same), because otherwise this is going to cost you $50 million

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/cubs-kris-bryant-wedding-photos-410027095.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand

    • CanadaBear

      Or he might be happily married the rest of his life.

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, imagine that he might just love her. And she him.

        How tragic.

        • CanadaBear

          He seems mature beyond his years. Hope it works out for him. Either way, I really don’t care if he takes a beating in a divorce.

      • willbest

        Its possible. I don’t have any desire to cheat on my wife and I have turned down a couple 7s while attending Vegas bachelor parties. But I don’t spend a large chunk of my time separated from her with 9’s and 10’s throwing themselves at me multiple times a day. And history is littered with athletes that find themselves succumbing to the strange

        • CanadaBear

          Stats say they will get divorced. Either way, I really don’t care about his financial situation.

        • MB30SD

          I succumb to the strange as often as possible.

          That said, in the 16 years I was with my ex I not so much as looked at another woman. Strange I know.

          (See how I did that)

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            Now you are wearing teenage strange like a horse feedbag. Every night your tongue is sampling new tuna like Roger Moore ate caviar in his Bond days on the Rivera.

          • MB30SD

            I wish… Slowing down these days.

            And 23 is my floor maings. I’m not that degenerate butch!!

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      Is this Fowler’s lady?

      https://www.instagram.com/aliyafowler/

      Did he pay for those tits?

      • willbest

        You always pay for the tits. One way or another.

    • BearDown100393

      Why is he sitting?

      • willbest

        Because he hired one of those artsy photographers.

        • BearDown100393

          It looks….. so….. nevermind.

  • Joecashflow

    Ok, perfect. Mitch Trubisky, UNC QB just declared. He has always has been a Browns fan. So the Browns take him. Great. There is no pressure to take another QB in the first round. We get a great D pick.

    • Jokey

      Not so fast – I don’t know their situation but I’m guessing the Browns are more than a good QB pick away from a turnaround. They probably need talent all over. But to your point, if they did grab him it would create a little excitement in their fan base. How long can a team be that awful before it forces an ownership turnover? Has it happened? Fans like to think they can cast a vote of no confidence by not buying tickets but I wonder if that’s wishful thinking.

      • Jokey

        McCown then Kaepernick, so yeah odds are good Trubisky is gone.

    • willbest

      You forget the Browns have the 12th pick in addition to a bunch of others. They can grab their defensive play maker and then see how the QB cart unwinds through the rest of the top 10.

      Incidentally, I doubt Trubisky makes it past 11 unless he completely bombs the rest of the way. Brees only has a couple years left, so they need a QB and there is very few places to learn an NFL offense than holding Drew’s clipboard.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        I was thinking the same thing about the Cardinals possibly drafting him. But teams like the Saints and Cards could be in a win now mode with their aging QBs. I would not be surprised if both pass on him to fill other needs. As for the Browns, who knows what that franchise will do, it makes sense to draft a QB but since when do the Browns follow what makes sense.

        • BerwynBomber

          Not to pick a nit, but I don’t know if that washes with ARI. Or to put it another way, I would understand it with Brees and the Saints. Like Brady, Brees proved he was still a top five QB at his advanced age and the guy is a future HoFer.

          But Palmer? Yeeeesh … don’t know if I would be in win-now to maximize his silver years. He was mostly sucky this past year and very well might be mostly sucky for what remains. Moreover, during the course of his career, he doesn’t grade out much higher than Cutler.

  • SC Dave
    • Rack ’em (GP)

      Charles, the Ghost of Walter or Waffle with a Challenger Tank – none of these things will stop the war at this point.

      As some of you know, I have two relatives in the force and one doing his patrols in ChiRaq.

      Right now there are nightly issues of rival gangs disrespecting each other on Facebook and moving to drive bys. Every night. My relatives take is that the social media shit needs to stop.

      I say pull broadband from the entire south side of Chicago. From Roosevelt road down to Blue Island, the whole shebang – all neighborhoods – white and black. Offline.

      Only good can come from that.

      • SC Dave

        An interesting, albeit sad, story.

        Seems to be that real issue is violence over being “disrespected”. If those who originated and promoted that nonsense.

  • Sactowns#1

    I know you’ve all heard it before but if a guy like Watson is available in the second why WOULDNT we trade down in the first?

    • Captain Obvious

      Because no one wants to trade up?

      Time and time again, everyone clamors “TRADE DOWN TRADE DOWN!” but the problem is, you need someone who wants to trade UP.

      This draft, I don’t see many teams wanting to trade up, unless they fall head over heels for one of the QBs who could very well be there for the taking in the 2nd.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        AS Joey Bosa showed, the rookie wage scale doesn’t help you with the Top 5 big picks that are willing to sit down for the year.

        • don’t do anything stupid with the minor details of their contract and then you don’t have to worry about it.

          SD was being tightwads and trying to screw Bosa, so good on him for sticking his ground.

          Full details: every single top 5 pick in the last decade either gets their entire signing bonus upfront (as opposed to 1/2 now, 1/2 later) or no offsets in their rookie deal (if they get cut before contract is up, they’re still owed full amount even if another team is paying them too). SD tried to give neither, Bosa said they had to put in one or that other because that’s what every comparable contract for the last decade had, and he waited until they budged.

          Bosa did NOTHING wrong. SD was trying to nickel and dime him to death and breaking every precedent in the book. Good on him and his agent for not letting them.

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            I agree with this.

            Point still holds: Top 5 Picks can be more difficult to sign and get into camp that the rest of the 1st round. Trading up comes with risks.

          • It’s really not difficult. All the parameters are in place. Only issue is if the team refuses to meet them like SD did.

            Bosa is the only played under the new CBA (since 2011) to hold out past the start of the preseason. The next longest holdout was Justin Blackmon, who held out 12 days past the start of camp. http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/8/12402198/joey-bosa-contract-holdout-san-diego-chargers-why

          • CanadaBear

            Blackmon would have signed sooner but he was fucked up.

          • Big Mike

            No offsets was a ridiculous sticking point by the Chargers.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, “trade down” is the back-up QB (everybody loves him) of draft advice/wishes.

        • Big Mike

          Nice analogy. Exactly.

    • willbest

      draft order and approximately what it would cost via the chart to swap places with us. And if anything these are conservative and it would probably cost a bit more.

      1) Browns
      2) 9ers
      3) Bears
      4) Jags (3rd & 4th)
      5) Titans (2nd)
      6) Jets (2nd & 3rd)
      7) Chargers (next year’s 1st)
      8) Panthers (next year’s 1st, this year’s 4th)
      9) Bengals (next year’s 1st and this years 3rd getting our 4th or 5th)
      10) Bills (next years 1st, and this years 3rd)
      11) Saints (next years 1st, and this years 2nd getting our 4th)
      12) Browns (next years 1st, and this years 2nd)
      13) Cardinals
      14) Colts/Eagles (same SOS)
      15) Colts/Eagles
      16) Ravens
      17) Redskins
      18) Titans
      19) Bucs
      20) Broncos
      21) Lions
      22) Dolphins
      23) Giants
      24) Raiders
      25) Texans *informally

      Now look at the teams and try to figure out what player will be there at #3 that has those teams thinking they need to jump on it?

      • It costs whatever teams are willing to pay, if the Bears will accept that. A few years ago Miami moved up from 13 to 2 for only a 2nd round pick.

        • willbest

          Obviously, it depends on a lot of moving parts. The year that you are talking about (2013) was a pretty bad year in terms of consensus talent. In fact, of the 10 players in the first round of that draft to make the pro-bowl since then, only 1 came inside the top 12 and 7 were drafted 20-32.

          So if you are like Oakland, not convinced there are any home run picks, you take what you can get. But if the raiders GM had done that in 2011 and traded down forgoing Marcell Dareus, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, Tyron Smith, and JJ Watt to pick up Christian Ponder… then he should be collecting unemployment.

        • Big Mike

          And the redskins gave up 4 picks to get RG3

    • Johnnywad

      In this scenario, given we pick third, how do we know he’s still going to be there some random number of picks later?

      If they think he’s a starting NFL QB, they take him. If not, pick your pass rusher or OT and move on.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Former Bears scout Greg Gabriel is a child on Twitter and not a good enough writer to, you know, write.

    A. Neither are you, Andrew
    B. Gabriel isn’t even a good enough speaker to have anything but a part time gig on the radio. He’s inarticulate as fuck.

    • (this was written by Jeff, not Andrew)

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        My bad. It read like something Andrew wrote.

        It does not possess Hughes flair but makes more sense given Jeff’s Twatter war with Gabriel.

    • BearDown100393

      Is he also overrated?

    • SC Dave

      “He’s inarticulate as fuck.”

      Such delicious irony.

      • MB30SD

        Hahahaha

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    SJP at the Golden Globes last night:
    http://photos.toofab.com/gallery-images/2017/01/GettyImages-631258868_master_gallery_main.jpg

    She looks like Cruella De Ville now. Like some weird Madam Toussad version of a witch.

    Also this guy:

    http://photos.toofab.com/gallery-images/2017/01/GettyImages-631249154_gallery_main.jpg

    Dude, you will always be Loki and you will never be Bond. You are kinda creepy IRL.

    • BearDown100393

      Well yeah… 51 also

      • SC Dave

        I dunno… I imagine her bank accounts are pretty attractive.

        • MB30SD

          The LEAST important part of you ask me… And trust me.

          • willbest

            Women have a hard time understanding this point. They think because they find bank accounts sexy, we do.

          • Big Mike

            turn off if you ask me.

          • MB30SD

            jes.

        • BearDown100393

          The residual off the HBO show must be a nice retirement annuity.

    • CanadaBear

      SJP was always scary looking. Great body but that chin has always been witch-like.

      • Sactowns#1

        She wasn’t scary looking in LA Story.

      • Big Mike

        She needs to just go ahead and “age up” . See Meryl Streep.

        • willbest

          Or she just needs the name of Streep’s plastic surgeon.

          • Big Mike

            But Streep’s not trying to look 30. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • willbest

            No she isn’t. But then she is one of the rare ones that didn’t have to. 35-55 is no womans land for actresses.

          • Big Mike

            Just saying. It’s more attractive than the Cruella de Ville look.

    • MB30SD

      Ewww to both

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    It really doesn’t look like a spear

    It just looks like he had a lot of momentum and went for the push out of bounds and his head just carried him in. Nelson had no protection on his ribs and they cracked good.

    Having cracked my ribs on a snowmobile in the freezing cold I know how much that hurt. It hurt ALOT. i was in bed for a week and my entire left chest turned dark purple. I can’t see him playing in Dallas.

    • Sactowns#1

      I don’t know what they shoot these guys up with these days. I’ve cracked my ribs white water rafting and it SUCKED! You cant do anything without it hurting. But somehow these guys get shot up with enough stuff they make it out on the field.

      • Big Mike

        These men are not constructed the same way. Pain tolerance, recovery ability and good medicine πŸ™‚

    • SC Dave

      Certainly was not late, since Nelson was bobbling the ball.

    • MB30SD

      Was pussy. Totally legal to me… Barely even hit him with his helmet… Was much more of a push than a spear

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I dunno. I think he hit him just right. Take note Bears fans, this is how it’s done.

        • MB30SD

          exactly!

  • That Guy

    Tyrod Taylor may be cut by the Bills, but he will more expensive on the open market. With bonuses and such, the rough numbers of his current deal are:
    2017 – $16M
    2018 – $16.8M
    2019 – $17.4M
    2020 – $17.6M
    2021 – $17.7M

    These numbers are pretty much on rolling guarantees. Meaning we could cut him after any season with almost no cap charge. On the open market he might not get these kinds of numbers, but he also could get more in a bidding war. Plus, any new contract is going to require a lot of up front guaranteed money, committing us to him for the next 2-3 years realistically.

    If we like Taylor, I would favor a trade that keeps his current contract in place. Question is what we’d have to trade. Cutler?

    • MB30SD

      Yes please… Although that looks pretty steep, but maybe rex jacked him up. He looked talented

    • Big Mike

      Cutler has the same price tag.. Doh!

    • BerwynBomber

      How do you figure the new guaranteed money? BUF, far as I can tell, only guaranteed him $9M initially.

      And to answer your question: draft picks (unless, of course, they really want Cutty.)

      • That Guy

        He’s given every indication that he’s a franchise QB. Maybe not a probowl (top 6) guy, but a long term starter. Those guys are all getting $15-20M a year. The big sticking point between teams will be how much guaranteed money is offered. For example, you’ll have two teams offer $17M per year for 4 years, but the two deals will look like this:

        Team 1:
        Signing Bonus – $15M
        Year 1 – $2M
        Year 2 – $10M
        Year 3 – $19M
        Year 4 – $22M

        Team 2:
        Signing Bonus – $35M
        Year 1 – $1M
        Year 2 – $7M
        Year 3 – $8M
        Year 4 – $13M

        Both teams are offering him $64M over the next 4 years. Both teams will be able to spread that over the next 4 years fairly evenly if Taylor stays. But that is where the similarities end.

        Taylor gets $32M in the first two years of Team 1’s deal. If Team 1 cuts him after the first season, they spend $17M for one year of services. If they cut him after two seasons, they’ve spent $13.5M per year and can spread a portion of it into future cap years. They can basically comfortably cut him whenever they want to and Taylor will leave a huge portion of his contract on the table.

        Taylor gets $36M in the first year alone of Team 2’s deal and $43M in the first two. If he gets cut after a season or two, he’s made a lot more cash. Plus his team is more committed to keeping him for that third year so they can recoup their money.

        If I have a QB on my roster and have exclusive negotiating rights, I can frequently get something that looks like Team 1 because of that negotiating power. But when two teams bid against each other, even with the same cash on the table, the final contract starts looking more like Team 2.

        • BerwynBomber

          “He’s given every indication that he’s a franchise QB”

          Really? I’m a little dubious of his numbers or that distinction in the same way I am of Cousins’ or Bradford’s. But he is certainly worth a serious look.

          • That Guy

            If we don’t think he’s worth a starter’s deal, then we need to get out of the way. Someone is paying him reasonably large money.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Taylor the last 2 seasons:

      29 Starts.

      37 TD Passes.

      10 Rushing TDs.

      12 INTs.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He also an for 500+ yards in each of the last 2 seasons.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, he has filled up the stat sheet and he is certainly better than Cutty considering the comparable money. But might come down to whether Pace thinks he is a franchise or future guy. As the guy says, someone will pay him.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    I see GP is racking up some serious posts today. Hee hee

    • Big Mike

      Fuck GB

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Fuck GP! Fuck that guy!

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Leave NB outta this. Hahaha

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Get iOS!

  • willbest

    Ian is reporting Jordy Nelson spent the night at the hospital and won’t practice until Saturday at the earliest.

    • willbest

      Also Savage is out of the concussion protocol and will practice.

    • MB30SD

      :_ (

    • BerwynBomber

      Cracked ribs, I presume? Or to channel BD for a moment … Nelson’s got some ribs.

    • BearDown100393

      Erin don’t care.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Jags hire Doug Marrone for HC.

    • BerwynBomber

      The NFL, like the NBA, loves its retreads. Though I suppose after striking out with a young coordinator like Bradley, the “proven” HC like Marrone makes sense.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        He was a HC for 2 years. He coached the Bills to their 1st winning record in 10 years. He had an out clause in his contract that basically allowed him to resign and still collect his salary for the next year if ownership changed. He was not fired in Buffalo.

        • BerwynBomber

          He was 15-17 in his two years there and that “3 day out clause” didn’t exactly endear him to some of his ex-players.

          He might be okay but he is still a retread.

        • willbest

          Yeah his arrow is still pointing up. And everybody loves free money and not being in Buffalo. Though Jags is rough.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        It’s because the coaches have been sworn to secrecy.

        Shhh…pretend we’re trying to win a SB….shhh…

  • willbest

    Schefter reporting Doug Marrone to Jacksonville.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    I was just reviewing cap space for every team.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2017/

    The entire league seems to be flushed with cap space. There are going to be some crazy contracts out there. So keep that in mind when you see these contracts. People around here have already questioned if Alshon should get paid $15-17 mill a year. There are teams capable of paying him more.

    This same thing happened in the NBA when their salary caps skyrocketed and people questioning paying bench players 20 mill a year. It is going to appear crazy until the salaries start falling in line with the cap.

    • willbest

      Been beating this drum since 2014

      • MB30SD

        Amongst other things

  • willbest

    Rumblings about Matt Moore maybe should not be allowed back into the game so quickly… Gase might have some splaining to do.

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      He got clocked

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        It’s what I call “clock eyed”.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He got evaluated in one hell of a hurry.

    • BearDown100393

      Dr. Gase?

  • willbest

    Jags are also hiring Tom Coughlin as an executive according to twatter

    • BerwynBomber

      Certainly puts the Marrone hire in a better light.

  • Doc Nitty

    Hi!

    • Johnnywad

      You smell like fish

      • MB30SD

        Hee hee

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Cat fish?

    • CanadaBear

      Look what the cat dragged in. I’m picturing Sheriff Bart dragging himself in after a night with Lilly Von Schtup.

      Hope things are going well. Good season to be distracted!

      • Doc Nitty

        Hi!

  • willbest

    $18,000 a year seems a bit steep to drive whatever Caddy they have in their inventory.

    http://www.vocativ.com/390466/car-ownership-cadillac-subscriptions/

    • That Guy

      I don’t see it. You can put $10-15K down and buy whatever you want for probably less than $1500 a month and then trade in as often as you want. I see this as more of a long term rental than a short term lease.

      I guess if I’m going to be in various cities on consulting contracts for 2-6 weeks at a time, the deal starts to make more sense.

      • willbest

        That is what I was thinking. My BiL does a 8-10 two week consulting gigs every year. If he could just get a Caddy in any of the cities he went to this might be something that was useful for him. Plus you can expense 16-20 weeks of the year for business.

    • Sactowns#1

      I had a similar idea for classic cars but was thinking a price point around $500 a month. Keep a stable of 6-7 classics and have 10 clients who are able to check out cars at their leisure.

  • 505Bears

    Show me something 93. Side note, Lach to the college football hof!! Go Lobos!!

  • Malice Halice

    Is a dB S in this year’s draft worth 3rd overall?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Now I understand why Jeff doesn’t spend too much time on the draft. There’s so many ways you can go at the 3 spot. It can be overwhelming. If I was GM for a day, I’d take BPA then get back in the hot tub until the next pick.

      • Malice Halice

        Are you saying that because we have no bona-fide starters or for BPA in general?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Mmmboth…

          • Malice Halice

            Yea I don’t think we can be picky either.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            We aren’t even set at punter. Smh

          • Malice Halice

            It’s funny cuz it’s true

    • willbest

      MB has personally volunteered to follow Hooker around for the next 4 months to make sure he doesn’t smoke weed in a gas mask, punch his girlfriend or have a misunderstanding with any other person of the female gender. He also will see to it that Hooker adheres to recognized strength and condition practices, spend time with the jugs machine daily, and gets a proper diet for a person of his size and physical output.

      • MB30SD

        I would be happy to do this… For only 20% of his lifetime NFL earnings.

        And fuck yes malice… At this point. Long way and tons of new data points between now and draft day though.

      • Johnnywad

        I’d do it, but we gotta be in by 10:00 for my programs.

      • SC Dave

        eff that… feed him the gas mask, and we can get him in the 4th round

    • That Guy

      All things being equal at skill and character, the position of QB gets top priority followed by pass rusher and left tackle. But I don’t see an O-lineman worthy of a top 5 pick so far. I also don’t see a QB falling to #3 and still being worth the pick. So the question really becomes “do you take a safety over a pass rusher?” If they’re equally good players, then no, I’d go pass rush. But we could see a draft where the top two pass rushers are gone 1 & 2. At that point, there isn’t anyone that looks as good as Hooker and I can feel just fine about taking him that high.

      • Captain Obvious

        There are more than a few people comparing Hooker to Ed Reed and Sean Taylor. Either one of those guys is worth a top 3 pick. They were game-changers.

        Hell, a healthy Mike Brown was worth a top-10 pick in the draft. The defense was good without him; it was great with him. Chances are Berry is going to be locked up by KC. The secondary needs massive help. A ballhawk centerfield, true FS can make up for a lot of problems with CBs, and let some JAG play SS and look good doing it.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Yup, it’s true. No such thing as private property ownership gents. It’s ecclesiastic law hidden in our laws by using legal mumbo jumbo. We’re all just stewards in the eyes of the law unless we’re one of “them”. If any of you guys have a free and clear deed, check it out. Nowhere does it say you are the land owner. You’re referred to as the conveyor which carries the same definition as the conveyor of cargo in a ship out at sea in between ports.

    http://www.wxyz.com/news/roseville-man-gets-128-ticket-for-heating-up-car-in-own-driveway

    • That Guy

      Hmmm… Would be interesting to try to challenge that local ordinance on constitutional grounds. Not sure which way a higher court would go (there are due process grounds as well as limitations on property ordinances due to the fundamental right to property). The police chief does not come off well though.

      My guess is he fights it and the city prosecutor tosses it to avoid bad press.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        To try it on constitutional grounds, he will have to have standing. Little “c” citizen or person classification means hes a bond servant and has lost his big C citizen standing. If he pays income tax, he’s a slave like the rest of us.

        • Johnnywad

          You don’t like roads and schools?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            What does that have to do with the price of eggs. We like them because we need them. We had them before income tax my man.

          • Johnnywad

            LOL. We like them because roads kick ass. I like to drive on them and have them plowed when snows. It sure how you’re gettin that done without money, but when you get it sorted out, I’m all in.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Straw man dude. All the way.

          • willbest

            How do you get from there to police should be able to fine you $130 because you leave your car keys in the ignition in your driveway?

          • Johnnywad

            You don’t. “If he pays income tax, he’s a slave like the rest of us.”

            I don’t think you should be fined for warming up your car. Nor do I think paying income tax makes us all slaves. The two are exclusive.

          • willbest

            It does under the current system of government spending. It doesn’t have to and didn’t used to. But then it started picking winners and losers with all the money it collects from us under the threat of force.

            Trac brought you concrete evidence of illegitimate government action that is impossible to defend against. Even if you won and got your legal fee paid, you would still be out countless hours of time. That is why you just pay the fine and move on because to see justice done requires more than what is being extracted from you under threat of force.

            You might think this is overblown but then Trac could post 1000s of these stories showing that it is a systemic problem.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Aren’t the roads already paid for by road taxes? Or is that a state-dependent thing? I heard the income tax goes to servicing the national debt.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Gotta admit, I was a huge Bear Bryant/Bama fan growing up as a young football player in the Chicago suburbs. My 2nd team was Michigan. Always.

  • BearDown100393

    Mega-Hochuli

  • BearDown100393

    Good defense or just bad offense?

  • Johnnywad

    Watson not looking like a first rounder thus far. Poor man’s Pryor through a quarter plus.

    • BerwynBomber

      Now, now … he ain’t that bad. He is an actual QB. Might suck tonight. Might not make it as a pro. But Pryor was basically an athlete pretending to be QB. Watson is better than that.

      • Johnnywad

        First Clemson game I’ve watched this year. Looks like he’s gotten a little traction the last possession or two, but that first 20 minutes didn’t show me much

        I also expected to see Allen making some plays. Looks like he’s eating up a lot of double teams but not much flash yet.

        • MB30SD

          He’s been good. Has a real arm is mobile, the knock on him is he only reads half the field and makes poor decisions

          He shows up under the bright lights, but my god that Alabama team is bad ass. Bet they’d give the browns a go

          • Johnnywad

            Mike Vick mobile or Aaron Rodgers mobile? I have no interest in a running QB. Looks like that early hit really rattled him. Doesn’t bode well for the NFL.

            And yeah, Bama looks tough. Pulling for Clemson though. I think it would be nice if a coach named Dabo won one. You know, for the rednecks.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, Vick. RGIV?

            Agree, no one likes bama… Like the pats of college. Gotta give it up though, savanna is a genius too.

            Yes! I want to name my next hamster dabo

          • BerwynBomber

            To his credit Vick was pretty decent pro. Just had somewhat a short shelf life, and yes, was small and took some big hits.

            Rodgers is incomparable. He just happens to be cursed by the Cheese rather than blessed by the Pats.

            Oh, and P.S. Nice fight shown here by Watson. He’s hung in.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            He was on pace to be top dog until he got in trouble.

          • BerwynBomber

            I see what you did there.

            Vick had that early playoff win against Farve at Lambeau but never much after that. Still, he was at least top half of the league when he was on. But he was so small and I don’t know if he was football genius out there or incredibly accurate to all three levels. Threw a helluva long ball though. That was always surprising. How far the little guy could heave it.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Seriously, he was really coming on before they put him in the pound.

          • SC Dave

            Zing!

          • Irish Sweetness

            “Mike Vick is the most dangerous QB of all time.”

            – Rod Woodson.

          • Johnnywad

            Yep. Kid came on strong. Lots of heart.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I’ve never heard of a mobile arm before. Lol. As in Mobil oil?

          • MB30SD

            the “is” gives it away. and using proper grammar on a phone while watching the game isn’t easy

          • SC Dave

            No, they wouldn’t.

          • MB30SD

            I said a go

  • AlbertInTucson

    THAT was a nice throw.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Thank you. Make this a football game.

  • BearDown100393

    Rugby punting. Just stop already.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Didn’t college games used to have 12 min quarters?

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think that is high school ball.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I gets so confused sometimes. Yanks Al.

        • AlbertInTucson

          12 minute quarters in the NBA, too.

  • MB30SD

    My god, make it stop.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      No means no!

  • AlbertInTucson

    C’mon, Clemson, take advantage of this field position.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you guys rank Watson at?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Base on tonight?

      6 to 7.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        That’s not too shabby coming from you Al.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I don’t see “Spend the 3rd pick”, yet.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Of course, it couldn’t possibly be that simple Al.

          • AlbertInTucson

            He is listed a 6 feet which means he probably isnt.

            Several passes batted/deflected tonight.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Fack that then. REX 2.0.

          • AlbertInTucson

            At least doesnt seem to have “Tiny Hands” syndrome.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And if we DID see that, Cleveland would take him at 2.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol. I dunno Al, definitely think they’ll kick the tires on him in the 2nd, 3rd rd.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I dont have an issue with those rounds.

          • willbest

            Really just not round 1.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Wow.

    CLEAR pick play.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Kind of a quiet night for Allen, so far….?

    • MB30SD

      oh good, it wasn’t just me

  • AlbertInTucson

    Great blitz. Under control.

  • BerwynBomber

    Blogfather’s BFF Greg Gabriel claimed there could be seven or eight guys in this game who could go in the first round.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Jeff probably will up that number. He has to now.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Indecision by the freshman.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Allen is 500x the player Watson is”

    There’s a gem.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      500 times? Jeff is hilarious.

      • MB30SD

        ludicrous speed

    • AlbertInTucson

      Twitter.

      Home of Hyberbole.

    • MB30SD

      wow, what the fuck game is he watching… reruns of bama v coast Appalachian state?!

      Maybe he just didn’t jump off the screen tonight, but I could never find him on plays. #10 and #22 were everywhere and I saw #94 much more than #93

      in all fairness, I didn’t take my glasses to the bar and the TV I was facing was kinda far and dark.

      • BerwynBomber

        #10 jumped off the screen last year too (Foster?) … when Reggie Ragland completely disappeared in the same game and was lifted on every obvious passing down.

        • MB30SD

          that dude is a beast. I think I would even be ok taking him @3 to be honest. He was everywhere… in coverage too. Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if we pair Free with him and have our next young samurai for the next 10.

          Seems like he’d fill a spot for us immediately and for a long time if pace thinks he’s BPA for us… but hooker better be gone.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Generous spot.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Sweeny should shut up. Clemson’s gotten all the calls I have seen tonight.

  • AlbertInTucson

    That was a soft landing, Kirk.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Reminded me of Bobby Watters trying to field that before the Bears finally cut him.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Mike Williams makes an appearance!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Catch: confirmed
    .

  • AlbertInTucson

    Punch it in. I do not what a tie score or OT.

  • BerwynBomber

    This ref looks like he hangs out with Hochuli at Gold’s.

  • BerwynBomber

    Horrendous clock management.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Yeah, my sleep meds kicked in a I dozed off.

      • BerwynBomber

        Dabo wasted a ton of time in the last minute but Watson, their TE and Williams/Bama bailed him out.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Gracias.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Watson looked great tonight. I might be okay with him. Would him and Howard be a formidable duo on the Bears O?

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I watched only a little first half, but the second half adjustment was nice to see by Clemson and Watson.

      Still most likely want a Safety, but I guess we’ll see.

      Hope everyone is doing well so far this year!

      • MB30SD

        let’s go get us a hooker BOaNB

    • MB30SD

      stop this. I’ve watched at least 6 clemson games in the last 2 years and I’m a fan of them and of his… in college. He’s a warrior on the field and has a strong arm. But he’s… RG IV. He doesn’t fit what we do. If we take him at 3 I’ll be livid.

      Move up in the second, ok, I might be ok with that if we get hooker @ 3. Allen pretty much disappeared behind double teams tonight which bummed me out.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Just his dimensions make Allen a bit of a tweener. If the dude ain’t 6’6 and jacked ….

        I think you’ve converted me on Malik Hooker. Doesn’t look like a guy you’d say “He just didn’t work out.”.
        Looks like a keeper.

      • Bender McLugh

        Aaron Donald eats double-teams for breakfast lunch and dinner.

      • SC Dave

        What if we take him 3rd and go 11-5 with him first season?

        • MB30SD

          What if I had a vagina Dave.

          You have to do the best eval based on watching him play and see if you can make some semblance of a comparison to players like him that made the jump.

          None of us know, it’s all a huge guessing game. But your stats work shows me we should take a DB not a QB.

    • Waffle

      OJ Howard yes please

  • MB30SD

    Cameron Worrell @CamWorrell
    Tough to watch these players put their bodies on the line for everyone else’s profit but their own.

    awwwww, guuuuys! Let’s put together a collection for these poor soon to be millionaires playing the best game on earth creating a memory they’ll never forget as long as they live (well, clemson at least)

    Fucking kidding me dude?! get the fuck outta here with that garbage.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s exactly what I thought when I read that, man. There’s a long list of people in this world that deserve our pity

      .

    • willbest

      90% of them will never see a 53-man roster.

      • SC Dave

        I’d wager higher than 90%, and these are the two finalists.

        So the only garbage is that coming from MB.

        • Johnnywad

          Well they can quit whenever they like.

          • SC Dave

            True. Or they could pay them, since they normally do anyway.

          • Johnnywad

            Nah. There’s nothing wrong with the way it works now.

            I wanted like hell to play college basketball when I was in high school. I wasn’t good enough. I would have played without getting a scholarship if I had the chance. I just loved to play. If they don’t love to play, then don’t.

            I am so tired of everybody thinking a monetary reward should come to NCAA athletes. Nobody is making them do it.

            Furthermore, for the kids that don’t have an NFL future, they’re getting assistance for schooling. Have you seen what tuition costs today? Google it. Many of these kids on a full ride are making more via scholarship in a year than their respective low income parents. So if less than 10% of these athletes make it to an NFL payday, that’s a great deal for the 90%+. I doubt at 18 years old they have sufficient skills/time to work enough hours to pay for full time schooling and a room and board package.

          • SC Dave

            If they are so deserving of scholarships, why do they have to play football to get them?

          • Johnnywad

            I don’t follow. Most of them wouldn’t get the scholarships without the football. Many of these players wouldn’t even be accepted to the university the attend based on grades alone. Exactly my point. They make the school money by playing something they love while receiving upwards of $40,000 a year in educational compensation. Everybody wins. If they don’t want the school to make money in this way, they can choose to instead, work at the Piggly Wiggly and pay for classes as they go. Should only take about nine years.

          • SC Dave

            Except those with worthless degrees and reduced function body parts. You know, the ones nobody talks about.

            But as you said, they can just quit.

          • Johnnywad

            The particular degree is of their choosing. The world is full of people with worthless degrees that never played a down of football. And I know some tile guys and concrete workers that will kill to have the body of a 40 year old ex college football player.

          • willbest

            I didn’t realize that you were against min wage laws.

          • Johnnywad

            In what way?

            I have employees. They all make more than minimum wage.

            Not sure what you’re talking about.

          • Waffle

            think he’s joking wad.

          • Johnnywad

            Bout to get all riled up here.

          • MB30SD

            No he’s being a lawyer. Smh

          • willbest

            Well you are literally arguing that a voluntary commercial transaction cannot be exploitive.

          • MB30SD

            Min wage job(S) to pay for your education or play the greatest game on earth and go to school for free.

            Call it what you want but that’s what it boils down to… Which do you choose?

          • Waffle

            Because the scholarships are for football?

          • MB30SD

            What the what?!?!!

          • willbest

            So I am going to hire you. You are going to make me millions of dollars and I am going to pay you in a manner that requires you to spend all of your compensation on my products and services. Further I am going to prohibit you from gaining compensation through alternative means. Lastly, I don’t particularly care if the products and services I provide you are going to have any long term value.

          • Johnnywad

            Yes. Unless I don’t want to. Then I’ll just freely go do something else. Whatever I want in fact.

          • MB30SD

            Biiiingo!

          • Big Mike

            That wasn’t the question. The fact remains NCAA Football players are exploited.

          • Johnnywad

            No they’re not.

          • Big Mike

            You’re so wrong. Economically, the ratio of $s that go to the NCAA, the conferences, the bowl committees, the universities, vs support and scholarships for the athletes is even more unbalanced than comparing the 1% to the rest of the US. But it’s sanctioned, because “they are amateurs”.

          • Johnnywad

            One more time. 18 year old kids are being paid $40,000+ a year to play a game they love with an outside chance at generational wealth. If they so choose, they can also parlay that $40,000/year into a successful lifelong career.

            Sign me up.

          • Big Mike

            Don’t know where you come up with $40k per year. The chance of generational income is less than that of winning the lottery, they generate millions for their institutions (NCAA, University, Bowl Games, Conferences). It’s simply not equitable. There is no other way to see it.

          • Johnnywad

            Cost of attendance for one year for an out of state student at Alabama is $42,000 a year. At Clemson, it’s $47,000 a year. If you’re lucky enough to live in their respective states, it’s just under $30,000.

            Rosters are loaded with out of state kids. And if you think those numbers are high, nose around a bit. That’s what college costs now if you got to a school like that.

          • willbest

            That is difficult because these day the MSRP only applies to foreign students. All out of state Americans can still knock several thousand a year off the sticker price. It would really depend on the situation.

            But the other thing you are confusing is price, cost, and value. I could charge you $50k, but it only costs me $30k to make, and maybe its only worth $20k. Now you could make the case that the difference is an opportunity cost, for the unversity in that it could have given that spot to somebody who would pay 50k but enrollment for each class is not fixed and is allowed to float.

          • Johnnywad

            Lawyer away Will.

            I know what I’m going to spend to help my son, currently a high school Junior, through college. And nobody at any of the Universities we’ve toured has provided us with any side action deals to lower the “MSRP” as you put it. He’d gladly play for a scholarship to help with the cost. I’d gladly watch him (well, other than the CTE) play for it. The rest of this, ALL the rest of it, is high level philo bullshit.

            If you guys think D1 college football players are being exploited, in the way that Sac’s Guatemalan Basement Lady is being exploited, then we’re never going to agree. Largely because I’m sane.

          • willbest

            Assume it is exploitative. How would you have to change your life? Do you like those changes? Perhaps, just maybe, you are reasoning your belief rather than using reason to guide your beliefs.

            You don’t seem to care about the massive power imbalance between 18 year old high school student, and multibillion dollar cartel. You don’t seem to care about all the hard sell tactics that are used on those 18 year olds, many of them disadvantaged and judging from SAT scores not necessarily the most logical and reasoned. Your analysis comes down to these 18 year olds are given enough compensation as determined by your own internal moral compass. But why is that moral compass right? Why is it more valid than Sacs? Or mine?

            Now perhaps I too am reasoning my beliefs. But I don’t think I have any particular bone in this fight. I don’t consume the product, my own income stream is nowhere in this field, my son doesn’t play this sport.

          • Johnnywad

            Side question. Do you take issue will every other sport on campus? They’re all providing kids the very same experience as the football players. None of them with the exception of a handful of basketball programs make money. They lose money.

          • willbest

            Aren’t you making my case? revenue that is generated by the football and basketball programs is diverted to other endeavors. We could call that a tax because its done by Federal requirement.

            The NFL players have seen to it that they get roughly 45% of gross revenue. Do you honestly feel all those $40k compensation packages work out to anywhere near that amount?

            Does it not bother you that if allowed some Alumni and the programs themselves would offer extra compensation to these players above and beyond the scholarships. The NCAA deliberately suppresses the labor wage, and you somehow don’t find that exploitative?

            What is the purpose of that? To maintain the pretense of “student” athlete? Of course, not. See right now the entire SEC, Big 10, Pac, ACC, etc don’t have to compete on price. All of them are offering roughly the same sheet of paper with the players name on it, and room and board. Which means they compete for top HS talent based on
            1) Glory
            2) Training up for the pros
            3) Playing time (aka exposure for pro-scouts)

            So as a high school athlete selling your services as an athlete the only difference between all the programs is which program you think is the best lottery ticket to the pros.

          • Johnnywad

            I’m not trying to make a point with the question. I’m trying to understand what’s making you tick here.

            This very same scenario exists in literally every business endeavor in the country. I just don’t understand why this feels so different to you. I pay my guys $13 – $18 an hour. I typically can charge $50. In your world, they should get more just cuz it isn’t fair. When in reality, I’m paying them more than they can get anywhere else. So it’s a win win.

            You’re posturing as though these kids are sold into slavery, getting nothing in return, and the Universities are sitting on Bill Gates style piles of cash. I don’t get it.

            They can walk away at any moment. Yet they don’t. Doesn’t that say enough?

            Finally, having watched my wife play D1 sports, I can tell you the experience and life lessons gained are invaluable. I am glad for one, that the football programs are capable of supporting the athletic programs of the rest of the school. It’s a good thing.

          • willbest

            The difference between your situation and a college athlete. OSU you can’t offer Bama’s guy $10k more a year to play for them, and your competitors can offer your employees $15-20/hr to work for them instead of you.

            I have 4 chief complaints about the state of NCAA basketball and football and why they exploitative are:

            1) I find the value in the degree they provide as payment for services rendered lacking (I could write an essay on this). And that of course presumes the player finishes. In fact, it would be more honest if they just gave them the paper. They really only give them the opportunity to get the paper assuming they can fit it in around the full time job of playing college football/baseketball.

            2) They deliberately suppress the labor wage that these players could make.

            3) They engage in the same hard sale tactics against young, impulsive 17 and 18 year olds, many from disadvantaged backgrounds, that bankers did to sell interest only ninja loans to unsophisticated buyers.

            4) Its a cartel

          • willbest

            Jwad is a hardcore libertarian on this issue it seems

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha, you’re such a total pussy when it comes to this stuff dave.

          I still love you, but I was watching the brutal Alabama D smashing Clemson players early and I could literally hear the whimpering coming from you through space.

          Read yonny’s post above… I’ll betcha you did stats for the football team in jr high instead of actually playing the game, amiright?

          You’ll never know how actually playing the game feels and changes your life… For the better. Even for the poooor exploited 90+% who only get a free education, massive perks, get to play the best most fun game on earth and live a college life only a small % of people do.

          So to sum it up, stop being such a leaky vagina my maings.

    • Waffle

      Cam’s a clown dude, we’ve known that for quite a while.

    • Big Mike

      College athletes are exploited. On that field tonight were maybe 80 players who got on the field and another 80 or so who didn’t. 3-5 will make a shit ton of money, play in the league long enough to get 3-4 contracts. 10 will make big bucks by getting to their second contract. 20 will make enough playing football to be at or near the top of their non-football playing peer group. Then they’ll need jobs. The other 150 or so will have great stories and memories for the rest of their lives. The Universities on the other hand, make 100s of millions.

      • Waffle

        Stories, memories….No student loan debt, a college degree, an incredible work ethic, the ability to endure hardship and struggle, mental toughness …….Yeah, I don’t know how these po Kidz gone make it in the real world. They’re pretty much slaves.

        • MB30SD

          Bingo!!

          …Not to mention tons of football groupie southern poon.

          • Waffle

            College athletes tend to fucking kill it in bizness.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah sure, after lots of counseling and rehab to get the atrocity of playing college sports behind them.

          • MB30SD

            I know, I know I needed tons of mental health help after playing in college.

            And get this, I didn’t even get a scholarship… They only gave those to poor kids… Who had they not played football and been so exploited, would probably be flipping burgers instead of going to one of the most prestigious educational institutions in Cali.

            The worst thing was we couldn’t just quit, they SHACKLED is to the locker room!!!!

            Poor poor all of us!

            Dave and will, for two really smart guys, you sound idiotic.

          • CanadaBear

            Aren’t you the same guy that loves to post this?

          • MB30SD

            yes, it’s fucking hilarious.

            And I’m not saying I disagree, BY DEFINITION… but from a philosophical level, I think it’s a silly cause championed by people with too much time to worry about something that’s much less of a problem than say… hunger, war, terrorism, etc…

            right?

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t argue that. I can only imagine how much a program like Alabama must rake in from tix, alumni giving, marketing, TVradio, etc. It must be mind blowing. I saw their training complex once and it was crazy.

          • MB30SD

            yes same with all the big programs have those… like a fucking grade A spa mixed with a world class training facility mixed with the best nutrition available.

            And these poor poor kids not only have their get to use all those facilities, get the highest grade supplementation and hydration on tap, massages erra day along with the best PT resources…

            It’s a horrible horrible existence. I can’t imagine having to go through that kind of torture canada, i just cain’t.

        • Big Mike

          There is clearly some bias in your thinking that I don’t see. Whether the player has a good experience or not, my point is the situation is not equitable but NCAA Division 1 football players are exploited.

          • MB30SD

            His point is players who love playing don’t feel that way.

          • Big Mike

            Doesn’t change the equation.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Let’s not forget perky boobies for 3 to 4 years. Jess, it would have been a turrible experience.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha… See below. That was a big one. We had them even at my school. I can’t even imagine the blazing hot southern strange throwing themselves at these stars erra day. Siiigh

          • willbest

            But that isn’t the school providing you with nubile coeds. And its interesting that you consider this some sort of perk, and yet have a serious problem when there is a misunderstanding associated with this perk.

          • MB30SD

            It’s a perk, not attributed to anyone or anything. Just a perk that comes with being a college athlete. Plain and simple.

            And I don’t understand what you’re referring to here, “and yet have a serious problem when there is a misunderstanding associated with this perk”

        • Sactowns#1

          That’s what I keep telling that Guatemalan lady in my basement, “You’re gaining valuable experience Esperanza!”

          • MB30SD

            you have a guatemalan lady names esperanza in your basement?!?!

      • Johnnywad

        I give up.

        • Big Mike

          You should. Because you are fundamentally wrong. There is no equity in D1 college football finances.

          • Johnnywad

            You should probably stop consuming the product then until you get the situation fixed. I don’t know how you can look yourself in the mirror while you continually support the NCAA.

          • MB30SD

            Hee hee

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Johnny for congress!

          • Sactowns#1

            Amen! I don’t watch college sports just for this reason.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good for you. I am rarely that pure to stop consuming a product based on a philosophical difference. That said, I am less enamored with college sports than I once was. It’s corrupt as hell, and even the whole idea of “bowls” and a four-team playoff for — what? — a hundred and fifty schools seems absurd

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not on such a lofty moral plane. I don’t watch them because it’s like watching the minor leagues. Not to mention I never went to a 4-year university and have zero allegiance to any of them. It’s total exploitation but if neither party cares it doesn’t make any difference.

          • MB30SD

            yet you are a bastion of purity in a sea of shit… I’ve seen it in person!

          • willbest

            I don’t consume NCAA directly. However, if you watch professional sports you are indirectly supporting the NCAA. Well at least some of the supports. Baseball and Hockey have pretty well developed minor league systems.

          • Cubsnlinux

            Yeah, no shit. There is no freaking equity in lot of other places too. Welcome to a Capitalistic society. I don’t get why folks treat the sports industry which is really entertainment industry, any different.

            These athletes get free education and exposure because of their athletic talents whereas the rest spend most of their adult lives paying off student loans. Getting free education is a big deal today.

          • MB30SD

            oh herro logic!

      • MB30SD

        Who Fucking cares, you can stop with, “he other 150 or so will have great stories and memories for the rest of their lives.”

        OK, done deal… A free education and the above is more than payment in full. Fucken a… So much more than most get.

        Now do I think it would be nice for college athletes to get a little stipend, sure.

        • Sactowns#1

          Hu? So at what point would you agree someone is being exploited? If your labor generates millions yet you get maybe $20k worth of company script each year, would that be exploitation? And saying that laborers will work under those conditions as some sort of justification is laughable. I’m sure I could find someone from south America to come to the US and mow lawns for a dime a day while I take in all the profits, does that mean they aren’t being exploited?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            From the moment the birth certificate is signed sac.

          • MB30SD

            Ok, so they’re happily being exploited, getting a free education and getting an opty they NEVER would EVERY have even a remote shot at if they weren’t an athlete… AND they get to do what they love while getting a bunch of great perks.

            Are they exploited by definition, sure. would every HS athlete sign up to get ‘exploited’ and play ball for a D1 school… you betcherass they would.

            So net net, it’s only the galled and guilty sensitive souls like yourself that are up in arms my main maings.

            I would proffer that there are MUCH more worthy causes for you to be up in armas about.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Jess, like championing all the little buddist girls that get their heads shaved to fund the Vaticans hair extension crime syndicate. It turrible.

          • MB30SD

            jes

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        When I got out of HS, I’d have said expoit away. Where do I sign up?

        • MB30SD

          Biiiingo!!!

      • BerwynBomber

        It’s all a sham. They should just dump the idea of athletic scholarships, and for the money-making sports (namely football and basketball), pay the kids as staff employees, you know as if they were full-time workers at the university on four year contracts. (Other sports could function as club sports.)

        Then, if the kids (playing football or basketball) also wanted to attend school, they could do that in their down time like other kids who hold jobs throughout those years. And also take out loans or use their salaries to pay for tuition. Just like other kids. If they don’t, fine too.

        To me that would be the honest solution. Problem is the NCAA wants to hold onto some ridiculous ideal of the scholar athlete when the vast majority of fans could give two shits what Deshaun Watson or Jonathan Allen do in the classroom. Or even if they’re attending class.

      • Sactowns#1

        Exactly. What do you call it when someone makes 100% of the profits off of someone else’s labor? Its clear exploitation but Americans are so in love with capitalism that exploitation is now just run of the mill.

        • Big Mike

          I thought I was losing my mind for minute.

        • willbest

          How are we on the same side on this issue without there being a general consensus?

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  • SC Dave

    “Watson finished the game by hitting 36-of-56 passes without tossing a
    single interception. For those keeping score, in his two games against
    Alabama’s defense — widely considered the best in the sport — Watson
    totaled 941 yards of offense. This time, it resulted in a national
    championship.”

    ’nuff said.

    • Bender McLugh

      But does Pace & Co. think he’s #3 overall worthy?

      • SC Dave

        Time will tell. I doubt it tho.

        The other thing is does not say in that quote is that the Clemson Tigers scored 75 points on Alabama in two games.

        • Bender McLugh

          I’d still take Hooker if it were me deciding.

    • Big Mike

      He reminds me of RG3. His throwing motion, when he stays in the pocket it looks forced and he really doesn’t go through read progressions (that could be said of almost every college QB). On a positive note, he throws a crisp football and looks to be pretty accurate. His escapability and speed are impressive.

      I don’t buy into the notion of “is somebody worth a 3”, you only get 1 first round pick. You need to take a guy who becomes a 10 year starter, has an impact and makes a pro-bowl or two or five. So the question is, does Watson look like he can be those things? I don’t think so. Allen does.

      • MB30SD

        Yep, ive been calling him RG IV.

        Like the kid, but not for us, and not at 3

        • Tortured Bear fan

          IΒ΄m with deal with jets for more picks in case Allen and Garret were out of board. they need a QB badly.

          • MB30SD

            all depends on the deal my man

      • MB30SD

        Really Mike? I was watching carefully for him last night and maybe two plays all night I went, ahhh there he is. Kinda bummed me out.

        Know who jumped off the screen almost erra single D snap…. #10. That kid is a Fucking animal. I wouldn’t hate taking him at 3 if somehow hooker is gone

        • DaMurph

          One helluva linebacker there my friend!

          • MB30SD

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      • BerwynBomber

        He looks like he naturally protects his body than RGIII. I can’t imagine college RGIII having played ALA for two games and not ending up on a golf cart being driven toward a tunnel.

        • Big Mike

          Could be. But RG3 looked like this in College if I remember. When the competition gets bigger and faster the game changes. The Redskins also sold him out. He didn’t help his own cause. Complicated behind the scenes story. I’m hoping he proves himself in Cleveland. He has an entourage much like Derrick Rose. They pop off and make RG3 sound like an idiot.

          • willbest

            Pretty sure Rose and RG3 are both idiots. They just happen to have a lot of talent.

          • Big Mike

            I’ve met RG3 he’s not. He’s just quiet. Shy. Does a ton of work for handicapped kids.

          • MB30SD

            he sounds awesome… then he REAALLLY badly needs a new PR person…. BADLY.

          • Big Mike

            I’ve never been able to figure it out. You’d read stuff about him, and think nah.. he didn’t say that. On camera, he was on point. Cliché’s like every other QB. My nature is to assume the best. Seems like he’s a good man, but some of the press that his team generated, or that was said about him down right self destructive.

          • BerwynBomber

            D-Rose went AWOL on the NYK last night. Not surprised.

          • Big Mike

            Something is wrong with him. Is he simple, like Devin Hester, is he being manipulated by his idiot leach brother? His MVP year, he had a spark, a fire that said GTF out of my way, we’re doing this. The injuries to his knees, ruined him. Being cleared to play, but not coming back when Noah was playing on one foot, Taj was injured, everyone was playing hurt. But not rose..

          • Bender McLugh

            dude….that injury in the playoffs was WAY brutal, ended his effectiveness on the floor and turned him into JAG.

          • Big Mike

            Truly was brutal. The skins then threw him under the bus.

          • BerwynBomber

            Unlike RG3, who does seem to have some brains, Rose strikes me as a Hester-like moron. Beyond the injuries, I also think he was too coddled and was given a pass on numerous things. (Bulls were guilty of over-indulging him, IMV.) Plus, I don’t know if he is the most likable, humble guy that was initially part of the marketing with him.

          • Big Mike

            It’s too bad. Teamed with Butler, if they could have worked together that would have been 40% of a championship lineup.

    • That Guy

      Johnny Manziel did pretty much the same thing though didn’t he? Ran a crazy productive college offense, beat up on the best defenses at that level, demonstrated great evasiveness in the pocket. Tebow too right?

      Its the hard for me to do, but I always remind myself that you can’t trust college stat lines will translate to the pros.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Johnny who? Smh.

        • That Guy

          Johnny Football baby πŸ˜‰

          Manziel isn’t a great counter-example by himself because (a) he had a work ethic problem that ruined whatever talent he had; and (b) he got drafted by the Browns, who drafted him in the first round and then did everything in their power to tell him he wasn’t welcome.

          But Tebow? Great talent, great ethic, worked under a couple of great teams, but he never could fix his mechanics.

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            The lesson of RG3 is the lesson of Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick and every other running QB. You fall in love with the speed and the evasiveness, you start having dreams about Vadgers and his mobility – and then you realize only a very few have Vadgers arm, their uncanny field vision and ability to make good decisions.

            Very few don’t fold when popped in the mouth hard. Cam Newton folded by the end of the 1st quarter in the Super Bowl. Fucking FOLDED. I watched the Panthers Broncos again on NFL Network. By 2nd quarter his mechanics change and his head comes down right after his drop back. His throws started alligator arming. He was shot.

            The book on the running QB is: punish them. Hit them HARD. They will fold.

          • BerwynBomber

            Guys like Rodgers and Wilson are freaks, especially Rodgers.

            But yeah, the safest best for long-term QB success in the NFL is the 6’4″ (or taller) pocket passer with limited mobility: Brady, both Mannings, Ryan, Rivers, R-berger, Flacco, etc., etc.

            Funny thing is Cam has the size to be one of the guys too but I suspect his running is so ingrained in him (and his pocket skills a bit lacking) that he will never completely make the transition.

            Thing is, we are starting to see hybrids — actually R-berger himself was one early in his career — but big pocket passer-framed guys who are mobile. Luck, Prescott and Wentz all fall into that category. But yeah, they’re all comfortable pocket passers, first and foremost.

          • BillW

            Said it many time and came into play last Sunday – Rodgers has an uncanny sense of spatial relationships. Not only do you see it on his lack of interceptions (knowing where the defenders are and will be) but also in the pocket (steps back when pressured with confidence there is no one back there to impede him).

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. The low INT stuff is almost self-explanatory at this point.

            But the pocket spatial sixth sense stuff is even downplayed by the big name analysts who go so hard in praising the Cheese O-line. For a ton of QBs in the league those “9 second” Rodgers pockets are three seconds because the first moment there is a crack they are either unloading the ball, making a bad move with their feet, or completely breaking from the pocket itself.

            That said, guys like Brees, Brady, Wilson and R-berger pocket navigate well too, just not at the level of Rodgers. Plus, he’s remarkably accurate on the run.

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  • Rack ’em (GP)

    A Trib reader wants to go safety at the 3rd pick.

    But he wants Jamaal Adams.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/blog/ct-bears-mailbag-nfl-draft-jay-cutler-20170110-story.html

    • MB30SD

      By all accounts, Mr. Adams is the #2 S in the draft, and he’s a… now this is the part to pay attention to… STRONG safety, NOT a FREE safety.

      We need a FREE safety NOT a STRONG safety.

      Does erryone on the board understand the difference, because it doesn’t fucking feel like it ya buncha jafuckingbronis!!

      I would fathom a guess that if our Dline all gets healthy and stays on the field, and we add a decent corner and Hooker at FREE safety, that our lowly little Amos gets markedly better at his job. It really and truly doesn’t seem that difficult to me.

      Now, that said, Hooker has to be as, or more than, advertised in order for my little dream to work out, but at this early stage, that’s what he’s being advertised as… and I’ll take it at face value for now.

      (not talking to you GP, just using your post as my own personal soapbox platform)

      • willbest

        exactly. We need double digit passes defensed and INT totals I need my second hand to count to. Amos can competently lay wood next to that guy and some ILBs that can slow the RB down before he gets to the 3rd level.

        • MB30SD

          bingo!

          We haven’t had an early thomas/eric berry general of the dbackfield who can cover the pass, make sure jordy fucking nelson doesn’t catch a fucking 50 yard bomb to win the game with 30 seconds left, but instead… comes across and INTs that ball AND knocks nelson stoopid in the process… and returns is 40 yards to put us in the winner’s seat in 10 years.

          If hooker checks out through draft day, we NEED to get him man. With our healthy Dline, free and tre back, and a good corner pick up in the draft and/or FA, we’d be a lot better off on D.

          • Johnnywad

            Is Danny T ever going to be the same? That injury sounded horrible.

          • MB30SD

            don’t know, we’ll see

          • Bender McLugh

            this….2nd round LB stud would be lovely, if any are available

          • AlbertInTucson

            Heard/Saw (probably here) that the odds are he starts 2017 on the PUP list.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Strong safety means he is can lift a lot of weight. Free Safety means the player works for free and does not count anything against the Salary Cap. So the Hooker is FREE!

        • MB30SD

          Ahhhhhhhh! so that’s what that is!

        • Rack ’em (GP)

          Did somebody say free hookers?

          Makes my Clinton dix hard

          • MB30SD

            exactly

      • Bender McLugh

        I’m so glad I subscribed to your newsletter

  • BerwynBomber

    One safety who could be interesting is Eddie Jackson of ALA. He broke his leg midway thru the season but was, by most accounts, an All-American type before the injury. If his draft stock plummets he could be good value.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Biggsy on Jonathan Allen:

    I don’t know what you have in mind in the way of β€œbig changes” but I could certainly see the Bears looking to add another end opposite Akiem Hicks. I don’t know that there is a player in the draft worthy of that pick at No. 3 overall. Some like Alabama’s Jonathan Allen but one scout told me that No. 3 might be a little rich for him. Any team in the league would be thrilled to add him to the line, but some differ on how great his upside is. He could be in play. The biggest key to the Bears getting better upfront, right now, is having nose tackle Eddie Goldman healthy for a full season. He missed nearly three-quarters of the season and when he’s healthy, it’s going to be really difficult for opponents to run on the combination of Goldman and Hicks.

    • BillW

      I read that too and it always confuses me – “a little rich” for a guy that “any team in the league would be thrilled” to have.

      With so many first round busts that are drafted “correctly”, I’d think a guy any team would love to have would be a good choice – unless there is a better player available that any team would be thrilled to have.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Hicks came from a tiny school and playing in the CFL

        Ego Ferg came from LSU and was a run stuffer for a top program

        I guess it’s a wide world

        Time to get on the Hooker train. Who doesn’t love a Hooker train?

  • willbest

    I am always a sucker for Vampires with guns fighting Werewolves with guns set to some sort of twisted Romeo and Juliet love story, but something occurred to me while watching the trailer for the next Underworld

    Is Kate Beckinsale a real vampire? Cause that woman doesn’t age.

  • MB30SD

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Solomon Thomas tape is obscene. The guy blows up opposing offensive lines. And the better the opponent the better he plays. It’s wow stuff.”

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    I like Solomon Thomas more than Jonathan Allen. There. I said it.”

    I agree Jeff. Would I like him more than Hooker… no. We already have dlinemen, we have zero FSs. I’d love to end up with him, but we’ve needed a fucking FS badly for 10 years.

    • Bender McLugh

      I have a feeling there will be a few more “wow” DLinemen come draft time, but Hooker seems to be special

      • MB30SD

        you and I are tossing each other’s salad on this one my maings.

        You like balsamic or Caesar?

        • Bender McLugh

          hahah for real. whatever it takes to get this damn Hooker, know what I’m sayin’???

          • MB30SD

            I do I do… I’ve never had a hooker and never thought I would want one… but I really want one as of right now.

    • SC Dave

      I mentioned that immediately after watching the film Irish posted. He seems to *see* everything. It’s a yuuuuge advantage.

      • MB30SD

        yes, he’s a total beast. he jumped off the screen in a big way

  • That Guy

    Here’s a thought experiment. Suppose the team commits to going S/DL in the first two rounds of the draft (pretend QB is off the table). According to the most recent walterfootball mock, that means we either go:

    Round 1: Jonathan Allen (DT) or Derek Barnett (DE)
    Round 2: Justin Evans, S Texas A&M

    or

    Round 1: Malik Hooker, S Ohio State
    Round 2: DeMarcus Walker DE/DT Florida State

    Which scenario feels better? Which position sees the bigger drop off?

    • willbest

      Our current D-line when healthy plays competently. Our current secondary is dogshit. Obviously my opinion would change if I were to even half-ass scout these guys rather than getting semis looking at highlight reels, but based on my prior statement that means Hooker Walker (which would be glorious if they ever get filmed sitting next to each other on the bench).

      That being said your analysis obviously changes if we do start signing quality DBs. Even if Pace goes out and picks up 2 legit CBs instead of Berry, I might be comfortable enough just getting the pass rush. And of course, you always want to be aware of where Trevethan is in his rehab come April. If he is ahead of schedule then I feel far more comfortable getting a pass rusher than improving the defense in the middle.

      • MB30SD

        I think this is reasonable analysis.

        • Rack ’em (GP)

          I want Allen but there are other DL farther down in the order that can shore up from Unrein

          Hooker should bring swagger like Landon Collins did

          • MB30SD

            exactly.

            Did you watch the game last night? I didn’t even notice allen but twice… but he was doubled erra play. That said, isn’t that what you spend a #3 on… busting whatever they put in front of him?

            I lost a LOT of love for allen last night. The solomon kid seems like the MUCH more explosive talent.

          • SC Dave

            I liked Solomon better right away, although I did not watch him a whole lot. Seems to play very smart, and you know I’m partial towards that.

          • MB30SD

            I do

      • Bender McLugh

        3rd or 4th round to snag a backup to Trevathan.

        • EnderWiggin

          Does the Polish rookie get another shot at backing up our MLBs? Kwiatkoski or something…

          • SC Dave

            He will for sure. I think the staff likes him. And he is one of their picks, which helps.

          • Bender McLugh

            why not?

        • willbest

          We have that nick kid. He has made some plays and is usually in the right spot. I think his mistakes are just a rookie learning the ropes, but we definitely need to upgrade Jones.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Nobody here gets semis Willy

        We get fully erect or we don’t bother

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Lol. You HAVE been talking to my wife.

  • BerwynBomber
    • MB30SD

      pretty easy is you have Meeeeeeellioooooonnns and no ‘day job’

    • BearDown100393

      More likely.

      She arranged everything.

      Told him where to stand.

      Lights. Camera. Action.

      • willbest

        Its the best way to do it really. That way they get what they want. Then again, I listened to the Jay Cutler show, and he does like to put thought into the gifts he gives. Not just her, other people too.

    • willbest

      I don’t remember what I did for my wife on her 30th. In my defense though she was fat. I know she had just given birth 2.5 months early but that is no excuse.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Kyle Long has a “long” way back. His surgery is finished

  • MB30SD
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    • SC Dave

      Thats the one Irish posted a few days back.

      Looks like a superior ballplayer.

      Best tape I’ve seen so far.

      • MB30SD

        Damn, thought it was a diff one.

        We agree 100%… on this David.

        • SC Dave

          When I saw it the first time, I wrote about his vision being like Howard’s. He *sees* stuff, and so goes the short way to make a play. Just like Jordan.

          I *want* Solomon Davis on my team.

          I really dont think you can teach that shit.

          • MB30SD

            but where does he fit? let’s say he checks out through the sr bowl and combine. is he a #3? is he better than hooker (and/or allen) for us (cause that’s all we care about)?

            He will never make it into the 2nd, so what do we do? Unless we get a ludicrous deal to trade back for our #3 and hooker is already gone, it just doesn’t seem in the cards this year… unless you think he’s a #3 guy… which if hooker IS gone by our pick, I’d rather have him than allen based on what I’ve seen thus far

  • BearDown100393

    The NFL needs to allow each franchise to red shirt a young QB for development and be exempt from the roster. College does not prepare well enough for the position.

    • willbest

      They did just increase the practice squad from 8 to 10. Sure they can be poached but a practice squad guy is I believe a $120k a year job vs. a $500k job on the active roster. And a 53-man roster does give you a decent amount of wiggle room, you are only allowed to dress 46 anyway.

      Of course that doesn’t really help them all that much. You don’t develop unless you are playing at speed, with and against the top talent and those practices are fairly limited so the teams spend nearly all of that with the QB1 of the week. The developmental QB is there to memorize the play book and help them work the bottom half of the roster.

      Outside of a bonafide minor league I just don’t see it. Quite frankly the NFL should look into that.

      Lets say each team contributes 15 players to a division team. So you have 8 teams create two 4 team conferences (doesn’t have to be AFC vs. NFC could be East-West). Then do 6 games against your conference and a “Mini Bowl” against the other conference.

      Rotate the quarterback. two teams get their QB for 3 games each season.

      The timing on this 7 week endeavor is a bit tricky though. I was thinking early march to mid april, so you know how your development guys are going into the draft. Of course that is when people are watching college hoops, and you don’t get the information before signing your FAs. So a bunch of details to work out.

      • SC Dave

        The NFL has a free minor league.

        Its called the NCAA

        • willbest

          Well I think the whole problem with that is the NCAA has diverged from the pro-game, so the players come in unprepared.

        • But that no longer works for certain positions.

          QB is prolly the one the NCAA fails the most on.

          How many “great” college QBs couldn’t even stay on a roster in the NFL? (Tebus effect).

          I think S is another position the NCAA has a hard time producing, and as of late, premiere LTs.

        • MB30SD

          fix?

          Pay the players or disband college fb?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I propose sending them off to Tibet for a year so they can find their chi.

      • SC Dave

        Chi as in Chicago?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Cheecago?

    • EnderWiggin

      Isn’t that what the practice squad is for?

      • SC Dave

        No, because they have to clear waivers

    • I just don’t think there’s enough time, esp with the current CBA practice limits.

      Those backup QBs simply need more reps with the #1s, or maybe even #2s, and most coaches rather use that time for the starter, so in some sense, it’s philosophical.

      Even if the NFL expanded practice time, HCs might simply give the #1QB that many more reps.

      (unless a clear guy is being groomed like Goff for most of the yr).

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Danny White waited in the wings for several years didn’t he? We need to get the position right. Prolly kiss a few frogs along the way but Pace has to pull a diamond out of his ass. Soon!

  • So, been superbusy and honestly, I kinda just zoned out of football in general, for many reasons. Zest is waning, that’s for sure, and maybe I’ll take up surfing with MB or something in lieu.

    Anyhow, ran across this from Wallter Football. Interesting insights.

    Is Teddy Bridgewater (b4 knee) worth a late 1st early 2nd? I think my biggest issue with Watson might be the spread-only reads 1st-2nd angle (if that)

    Downlow:

    Deshaun Watson just beat Alabama in the national championship. in the weeks prior to the game, Walt and I surveyed teams around the league to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. A high-ranking personnel man on a playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. Another team thought that Watson still could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL.

    In this draft analyst’s opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson has been off with his accuracy this year, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He has missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson’s performance against Louisville confirmed the accuracy and ball-placement problems we’ve seen all season. He hasn’t dominated, and his play is not that of a top quarterback prospect. All of this illustrates that Watson still has room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. He did finish the regular season playing better, but that doesn’t make up for the struggles in the first two-thirds of the season.

    It’s worth noting that Watson is undersized compared to your average NFL starting quarterback. On top of that, he plays in a college spread offense that doesn’t correlate well to the NFL. Thus, he’s going to need to learn working under center and operating the huddle; he must improve footwork, and not being a running quarterback. There is no doubt that Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room.

    Prior to the championship, Watson completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,173 yards with 38 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He has eight rushing touchdowns as well.

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill#6LSMbQ3PWJ2YfiPt.99

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Thank you for that. Yup, if he falls to us in the 2nd or 3rd, I’m all in but not at #3 imo.

  • One drawback of Jonathan Allen is his somewhat (gasp) ‘tweener’ size .

    Allen is not exactly Calais Campbell (6’8 300) with brute strength nor is he Aaron Donald (6’1 285ish) with that insane Tommie Harris first step.

    However, Myles Garret is “only” 6’5 260ish, so while shorter, Allen seems at least naturally girthier.

    Also, I checked out Aldon Smith’s measurable, and he was not exactly the Hulk. 6’5 265 (though he did have long arms, which is important), so Fangio can def use Allen perhaps in the same way in diff subpackages.

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aldon-smith?id=2495487

    In some respects, Allen might be a healthy/younger Lammar Houston

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lamarr-houston?id=496794

  • CanadaBear

    New thread.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Thanks.

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