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Question Now Facing Ryan Pace: Are Fox & Staff a Match for Trubisky?

| May 15th, 2017

The Bears are in a bit of a pickle.

Ryan Pace, their youngest and boldest GM, has stacked his chips on number ten and is waiting for the wheel to spin. The development of Mitch Trubisky will define Pace’s tenure with this organization and determine greatly whether this is a fun team to watch over the next five seasons.

But Pace now must answer a pivotal question and he must answer it in this calendar year.

Are John Fox and his coaching staff

the right guys to get the most out of Trubisky?

The Bears can arguably afford a season under Fox, with offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains and quarterbacks coach Dave Ragone focused on Trubisky’s fundamentals: snaps, mechanics, getting the play into the huddle…etc. But as Trubisky makes the transition from the classroom to the field, stability will be of the utmost importance. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are the gold standards at quarterback in the NFL. It’s no coincidence that both have taken every single snap of their NFL careers under one head coach. (By the same token look at what instability has done to the productivity of Flacco, Eli, Rivers…etc.)

Whomever is coaching Trubisky in year two needs to be coaching Trubisky in year five. The structure and style this kid takes to the field needs to be consistent. Constant change doesn’t work. An unsettled, coaching-for-their-jobs staff doesn’t work. The quarterback needs to trust his coach and more importantly trust that his coach isn’t going anywhere.

For Fox, he has some tactical decisions to make. Getting Trubisky on the field in his rookie season and finding success should guarantee him a return trip to the sidelines. But if Trubisky actually sits for the entirety of next season, is Fox really comfortable relying on Mike Glennon to further his coaching career? (I would not be.)

It’s complicated. But Pace showed guts in getting his quarterback. Making the right decision at coach will require the same.

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  • Big Mike

    First. Also off topic. Leonard Floyd reported to camp @ 250lbs. He added 20-25lbs of muscle to his frame. Love the dedication.

    • SC Dave

      That’s what is supposed to happen.

      • Big Mike

        25lbs of muscle in one off season is tough. I just love that he did it. Pace knew what he was doing when he jumped up to get this guy. McPhee, Hicks, Goldman, they can put some pressur on the QB.

        • leftcoastdave

          Adam Shaheen did close to fifty lbs transitioning from basketball to tight end. Perhaps more laudable because he did it on his own with only the help of Chipolte!

          • Sahr Gborie

            desire and dedication right there

          • SC Dave

            It will be interesting to see what happens when the “professionals” on the Bears get hold of him. Maybe he should just stick with burritos.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m actually looking forward to seeing what this guy has to offer. I read he’s got a bit of an attitude on the field so ya gotta like that! Unlike a lot of the guys here, I didn’t hate Pace’s draft. Surprised by the 3 small school guys (and concerned) but certainly willing to see if they have the goods before getting all worked up over it.

          • leftcoastdave

            I love the fact that he got three dudes bringing tude with them. Was that not what Howard was all about? Check his bio. Same can even be said with Eddie Jackson who had the bad break (double entendre intended) which took him down a notch. They all have something to prove and will not (likely) be resting on their laurels like so many who cash that first big check.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think many of the rookies will be resting on their laurels.

          • leftcoastdave

            Does the name Jonathan Bullard mean anything to you? Maybe I’m being hard on him like his first season was. Dude wore down and wasn’t he benched late? Perhaps better than putting him out there to get injured.

          • CanadaBear

            I highly doubt a guy who fell to the 3rd rd was resting on his laurels. Sometimes they just aren’t all that. If he comes in this year and hasn’t improved, he won’t be a Bear beyond this year.

          • leftcoastdave

            That is, I believe, the hardest position to come into out of college. It takes a man’s body and at least a year to develop. That said, he disappeared out there, unlike Whitehair and Howard who proved they were worth picking.

          • RB is by far the easiest for a rook to come into.

            Oline depends on the position, but it’s not uncommon for interior linemen to come in and make a difference day 1.

            That’s why both tend to fall during draft day while Dlinemen are always at a premium.

          • Bullard absolutely disappointed.

            But Dline is difficult to master as a rook.

            Going up against full grown men with years of NFL technique is rough.

            Usu takes some time for Dlinemen to make an impact. Bullard is now in the Amos boat. He’s gotta step up or be deemed a JAG.

          • leftcoastdave

            I guess what they did with Floyd will be a tell?

        • Ryan Pace

          J.Howard can put some pressure on the QB as well.

          • CanadaBear

            Think you got the wrong guy EW. Did you mean Bullard?

          • leftcoastdave

            Jaye Howard.

          • CanadaBear

            Thanks. Forgot about that J. Howard.

          • leftcoastdave

            Dude rounds out what can be a killer front.

          • CanadaBear

            You are always way more optimistic than me. Hope you’re correct.

          • leftcoastdave

            The front seven with depth behind them are as bright as the middle three on the O line. The ability to be able to rotate players in and stack the line when needed is YUGE!

            Where’s my shades?

          • Ryan Pace

            No i meant who i said which is Jaye Howard who we signed to a one year contract after the Chiefs cut him who will play over J.Bullard.

          • Big Mike

            Oooh yeah, forgot about that guy. Maybe we won’t suck.

          • leftcoastdave

            Top five D fense! Great rotation and deep.

    • Joe Mama

      His combine weight was 225. He played at closer to 240 last season.

      • Big Mike

        I saw him. He wasn’t 240. He looked like a WR.

        • Yeah. He was much closer to 230 than to 240 from the eye test.

          • CanadaBear

            I was saying 225 last season.

    • Just hope he keeps his speed and explosion at a heavier weight.

      The Dline is beefier this time yr as well.

      Howard-Goldman-Hicks-McpHee/Allen should keep Floyd clean to roam and cause havoc.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The Governator might argue that is only possible with Dianobol.

  • The Yes Guy

    Yes

  • Sahr Gborie

    Not sure Fox is the guy
    1. hes old. not that he lacks the knowledge but does he have the passion and desire to groom a kid into the kind of player he likes/wants/needs
    2. fox is not an offensive genius. he did have gase&mccoy. money mitch needs someone who understands offense and understands how defenses prepare for offenses.
    3. i just dont trust loggains. maybe he needs more time to prove himself but do you really want him performing his first open heart surgery on money mitch? i think not

    coaches i trust: Jim Harbaugh/Sean Payton/Dave Toub/Darrell Bevell

    • CanadaBear

      Loggains did just fine with Barkley and Hoyer last year. No reason to think he can’t bring MT along. Way more faith in him than Fox.

      • Sahr Gborie

        valid points sir. but if fox goes who is to say that the new hc will keep Loggains. again do you really trust him to groom Money Mitch?

        • CanadaBear

          Actually I do. Who knows if Fox lasts past this year? I’m guessing if he’s launched, the new guy would want to name his own staff. Unless he’s a first time HC or someone already on this staff, I don’t see any way Loggains would stay.

      • George Hotchkiss

        The Bears were 28th in Points last year.

        • CanadaBear

          Had more to do with injuries and hideous WR’s than the play of Hoyer or Barkley. Esp when you consider neither one of them are anyone’s idea of a great QB.

          • leftcoastdave

            I still think Barkley will get his chance to shine. He was thrown into a shitstorm and because of limited time with his receiving corp had a limited playbook which caught up to him. But the dude had his good moments.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not down on him. I thought he had a chance to stick with the Bears until he went on that INT spree. But let’s be honest, he wasn’t exactly a hot commodity in the off season.

          • leftcoastdave

            SF was brilliant. Take two dudes on the cheap who were cast off for culture change. They will both be on the same page and then drafted my man CJ Beathard, the best pure drop back QB in the draft running a pro set offense. They did not spend up at QB, choosing to build ala Houston.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure Houston would give their left nut for a good QB. As it stands, SF probably has one of the worst QB rooms in the league. It will be interesting to see if your Iowa boy pans out. Kinda doubt it judging from the history of 5th rd QB’s.

          • leftcoastdave

            I’ll put money out that he becomes Harbaugh II. Got the pedigree and will make the step up to the next level. As far as worst QB room, I expect Barkley to come out as the starter and look more than respectable.

          • CanadaBear

            I’d be careful there. He could flame out due to no fault of his own. It happens.

          • leftcoastdave

            He’s in a good place with two good vets and a good coaching staff to teach him up.

        • Ryan Pace

          A big reason for that was B.Hoyer who was throwing for 300+ yds every game but just couldn’t get the TD’s when he was in the red zone.

          • CanadaBear

            True enough but how many passes did those WR’s drop last year? Barkley had 3 or 4 TD’s dropped in the same game.

          • leftcoastdave

            Didn’t Bellamy get a hands transplant in the off season?

          • CanadaBear

            How frustrating was that? The fucker was open constantly (gotta give him credit for that) but dropped pass after pass. The more important the pass, the more likely he was to drop it.

          • BearDown100393

            It must be very difficult for a NFL WR to contemplate which endzone dance to flash out while simultaneously attempting to catch a football.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            was he open because he was good at getting open, or was he open because opposing D’s did not bother with him because of history of drops.

        • BearDown100393

          They were the best 28th in points team in NFL history though.

          • George Hotchkiss

            BearDown, That is Funny!

        • If the logic goes that Cutler is really a back-up, then Loggains was having to score points with the back-up of a back-up, and the back-up of a back-up of a back-up, and if you put Shaw ahead of Barkley (which he was), then by the end of the season Birdcage had to score points with a back-up of a back-up of a back-up of a back-up.

          Throwing to receivers like Daniel Brown and Deonte Thompson.

          Not saying Birdcage is the second coming of Walsh, but no cook can make filet mignon with Taco Bell kangaroo meat.

  • leftcoastdave

    Woody: “Bears’ O should be a lot of 12 personnel (1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR), with heavy power run game setting up play action passing attack.”

    The TE is the QB’s best friend. Let them stack the box to stop the run and they have two big targets to cover short giving the WR’s single coverage and room to operate.

    • Sahr Gborie

      k.white is going to shine

      • leftcoastdave

        I am excited about Glennon to Cam. Looks like da Bears are going heavy and ready to grind out in the trenches to set up receivers. That is a great set up for Cam’s hitch and go, assuming Glenny does what no Bear QB seems to have ever learned, ie., LOOKING AWAY FROM YOUR PRIMARY TARGET to deek the S man off your throw.

      • CanadaBear

        What are you basing that on? Hope?

        • Sahr Gborie

          Based on J.Howard, 2 TE sets, the new speedster RB, Cam.M, plus the guys from tennesee/steelers and possibly victor cruz. all will take attention off white giving him time to shine

          • CanadaBear

            Wow! What a way to get to that conclusion.

          • leftcoastdave

            Brings to mind a Palinism: “How that hopey changy thang doin’ fer ya?”

            But hey, I’m optimistic these changes mean something good as well!

          • Tortured Bear fan

            the best of Victor Cruz was left in a salsa saloon dancing wawakooo!

          • leftcoastdave

            That kid walking on from Wyoming is the one to watch.

          • Ryan Pace

            Yes he is, T.Gentry has a good chance of being another great find by me as a UDFA WR just like C.Meredith. The big question with him is he played at Wyoming with who some are saying will be a top 3 pick in next years draft in Josh Allen. I’m wondering if J.Allen made him or if T.Gentry made J.Allen look good with the hopes of it being the latter.

          • leftcoastdave

            Takes how many to tango?

        • SC Dave

          Obviously not on-field performance.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        shine what? did he open a shoe shine booth at soldier field?

        • BearDown100393

          Box. He went home and got his shine box.

      • CanadaBear

        BTW, I really hope you’re correct.

      • BearDown100393

        Reflective leg bolts.

  • BearDown100393

    “Getting Trubisky on the field in his rookie season and finding success should guarantee him a return trip to the sidelines.”

    When the Bears run the table, Fox will be on the sideline next season. Whether it is Giraffe, Sanchez, Shaw or Trubisky, it doesn’t matter. The Bears will always be the Bears.

  • Big Mike

    If you want to be positive about the upcoming season, this will help.
    http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/10-reasons-chicago-bears-will-overachieve-2017/

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Whomever is coaching Trubisky in year two needs to be coaching Trubisky in year five.”

    Well THAT is one SHAKEY premise.

    A) Does John “One Heart attack already” Fox even want to coach 5 more seasons at his age?

    B) If your OC is any good, he would/ should be fielding HC offers long before 5 years, no?

    • BearDown100393

      Pace won’t fire Fox after a 16-0 season. He’ll get his extension.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You can spare me the Pollyanna Predictions, thank you.

        • BearDown100393

          19-0

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            23-0 we are going to sweep the preseason too.

          • Tortured Bear fan

            and Playoffs

          • If you make that 26-0, maybe Irish will cease bringing up McMahon’s record!

          • CanadaBear

            Doubtful.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nope.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    John Fox will finish his contract. Your next Bears Head Coach is already in the house – Dowell Loggains.

    If Trub’s development is on track after year 1, it makes no sense to subject him to a new offensive system in year 2.

    Pace has already thought this through given how meticulous his planning was in drafting Trub. If he was watching Trub’s games in disguise last November, I am pretty sure Pace thought long and hard about who will develop Trub and has confidence in Loggains.

    • BearDown100393

      BirdCage is on every NFL GM’s short list for head coach.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Not every GM. But certainly would work for Pace. A young, first-time head coach means Pace will have complete control over the roster. Every GM wants that – call all the shots on roster and a compliant head coach under this thumb. If I were Pace, this would be my ideal scenario. The only question is Trub’s development. Loggains probably knows it too that he is a shoo in for HC if he has Trub’s development on track.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          could end up being a scenario like in Tampa. Fired Lovie because the OC worked better for Crab Legs moving forward.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Fangio too will be happy to have complete charge of the defense. Might stick around longer with Bears. He and Foxy did clash last year.

          • BearDown100393

            What did John Fox really do last season?

    • Then wouldn’t Pace have kept Gase (who also made Cutler avg), Loggain’s boss and by most accounts, a more dynamic and in-demand HC?

      I said it when Bears first got Fox. I’d rather let go of Fox and promote Gase or even Fangio, and look at what Gase did with not just Cutler (minor miracle) but even Tannenhil.

      that ship has sailed though.

      My biggest question mark coming into last season was Birdcage (hence, my nick naming him).

      He started off rather rocky (but he was handicapped with Cargo) but as the season progressed, he seemed to get more creative esp with Hoyer and Barkley (execution is another matter).

      But as with everything else, the NFL now has a book on Loggains.

      Trestman started off like gangbusters too, and we were all jizzing over each other about the great offensive juggernaut of a QB guru guiding Cargo, Bmarsh,Alshon, Bennett and Forte.

      We all know how that turned out.

      Pace went out of his way to upgrade the O in-spite of fans clamoring for D help, so this is the year we’re going to find out if Birdcage can take the next step and put up some points, or if he’s the OC version of Hoyer, a decent albeit unremarkable play-caller and QB molder.

      Gotta believe if McDaniels is available next yr, that might be awfully tempting.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Gase was here only because 49ers owners messed up his HC offer. Gase was only signed up for 1 year and everyone knew that. Fox was not going to be fired after 1 year.

        McDaniels has done nothing on his own.

        Loggains will be in the proverbial catbird seat if he handles this year right.

        • Actually, it was Fangio who came over from the 9ers who I don’t even think offerred Fangio an interview for HC, which pissed him off.

          Gase was the OC from the Donks with Fox.

          When Gase came over, there was much debate as to whether or not he was actually any good because Peyton was pretty much his own OC.

          He was somewhat of an ascending OC, but not a slam dunk going into his first season as the Bears OC.

          And many, including myself, speculated if he was brought over to replace Fox, whose health was rather murky.

          The theory went, hot young OC taking over paired with a hot young GM in Pace to reshape the Bears going forward.

          But after Gase pulled off a minor Cargo miracle, his name became too hot.

          Was hoping he could stay another yr (so that Cutler may actually pan out) but the Fins swooped in cuz they were trying to save Tannenhill’s career.

          Thems are the break, but I would’nt have been surprised if Fox stepped aside and Gase was promoted to HC for the Bears.

          Some might counter about Fox’s contract, but the Bears had no issue paying both Lovie and Trestman to go away, though obviously not as many years.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            You are forgetting the whole episode where Adam Gase had the offer to be the next 49ers HC after Jim Harbaugh firing. The owner, kid Dork, forced him to make Jim Tomsula the DC. Gase refused because he wanted to keep Fangio DC. The deal fell through and Gase had to take Bears OC job for 1 year because all other HC jobs were filled by the time the deal fell through.

          • That’s right, I forgot about that stupid ass 9er demand with Gase.

            At the time I still was thinking he came to eventually replace Fox, but when he made Cutler Alex Smith 2.0, that plus his other stuff was too much to ignore for the Fins I guess.

            I’m still not entirely sold on Gase, but he would’ve been far more interesting to coach up Trub than Fox/Loggains

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Sac – after hearing you are moving to Portland Oregon, I figured this is appropriate to make sure you know that not everyone likes Portland.

    http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1263181-man-masturbates-public-hates-portland-much

    • CanadaBear

      Every time I get mad I whip it out, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sahr Gborie

    In an interview with ESPN’s Ian O’Connor, Brady deflected that title and argued what many people have said about his career: that he’s a product of the Patriots’ rock-solid system.

    “I don’t agree with that, and I’ll tell you why. I know myself as a player. I’m really a product of what I’ve been around, who I was coached by, what I played against, in the era I played in. I really believe if a
    lot of people were in my shoes they could accomplish the same kinds of things. So I’ve been very fortunate. … I don’t ever want to be the weak link.”

    If Brady can acknowledge that being in the same system and being coached by the same coach makes a difference why cant we give Cutty the benefit of the doubt that he could have been better if he had 1 OC through his tenure with the bears?

    • If the NFL believed a system could “redeem” Cutler, they would’ve signed him this off-season.

      It’s not like Cutler is ancient. He’s only 34.

      But EVERY team including some pretty fucking desperate ones like the Browns, Jets, Texans, Broncos, 9ers and Bears said “NO FUCKING WAY.”

      Even a team like the Chiefs preferred to trade up to snag Mahomes for the future and Andy Reid has a good track record with QBs.

      The Cards were another possibility since Palmer has maybe like 1 yr, but Arians who supposedly did like Cutler also decided “Nah.”

      Could the greatest HC in history have helped Cargo? Naturally.
      (Gotta remember that Bill’s “protege” McDaniels ran Cargo out of town too).

      But I don’t think by much, and the NFL agreed.

      As my old coach used to say, “Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but he’s still a bum”

      • BearDown100393

        An elite quarterback such as Jay Cutler is not going to become a Cleveland Brown.

    • BerwynBomber

      Because he arguably had the best QB-centric HC in the league his first three years and he was essentially the same QB in DEN as he was here.

      Could having Adam Gase his entire career helped? Probably. But Gase had to turn Cutty into something he wasn’t — a conservative game manager — to squeeze blood from the stone. And it was highly questionable whether that strategy would have been sustainable much longer than a season.

      In the end, Cutty was what he was.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus
    • BearDown100393

      That dude got fat.

    • CanadaBear

      I love those script tattoos. Good luck reading those in 30-40 years!

  • Ok. so on a lighter note, I need a second opinion, and I know we have some fine minds and even lawyers on here.

    The case. So, mother’s day, right? Spending it with the fam and all. Now, our fam is pretty hardcore about gaming, whether it’s Monopoly, Texas Hold em, or Sorry.

    So the game of choice yesterday was some game called “Head’s Up”. If you saw that bar scene from Inglorious Basterds where the Nazi stamps a card to his head and must guess what it is, then you’re somewhat familiar with the game.

    Only difference is, we were in teams, and diff categories applied. I’m now about to go through all of it, but one of the card stacks was “sounds”

    So basically, you pull a card, put it on your head without looking, and your partner must make you guess what it is but without words. You essentially have to mimick the animal or object.

    If it’s a baby, wha like a baby. Ambulance? Do ambulance sound. Tea pot, whistle like a tea pot (I can’t fucking whistle so that was out).

    I put the card to my head. Timer on. My partner says “Polly want”.

    Right away, “Parrot!” Point, right?

    Nope. Other team objected, “You can’t use words!”

    To which I countered, “But parrots can talk. they use words! How else are you supposed to parrot a parrot unless you’re a freaking ornithologist!?”

    So this went back and forth, and I eventually capitulated cuz it’s mother’s day, and I’m not about to argue like it’s the constitution.

    However, I can’t help but feel I was in the right.

    What do you guys think?

    Can a player use words when mimicking a parrot even though the rules say no words?

    I feel like the implication is that you mimic the thing, and if it happens to talk or sing (unlike say a woodpecker), then it’s fair game.

    Peanut gallery?

    • willbest

      How many birds are on the deck? Is there more than 1 type of bird that can talk?

      • Only other bird I saw was a woodpecker (though I didn’t look through that whole stack)

        But maybe for that one a person could do the woody wood pecker cartoon phrase

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I would say no words allowed. Parrots learn words, they are not used in the wild. Those words are also not something that all parrots would know.

      • Hmmm. Good point. I was just thinking of domesticated parrots.

        I think this might be a “spirit of the law” (mimic which can include words if the animal can “talk”) vs “letter” in which it says no words.

        I just figured how the heck can a person outside of that dude from Police Academy can mimic a parrot without something like “Polly want a cracker”.

        But later on “Signal light” came up, and good luck with that one.

    • Malice Halice

      Fuck dat. They hatin

    • AlbertInTucson

      I’d rather play SORRY.

      • Sorry’s fun. Nothing like sending a player almost home back to the start just out of pure spite.

        • AlbertInTucson

          GOT to have 4 players.

    • Scharfinator

      I agree with the other team… if we’re REALLY trying to dig into the rules of no words.

      To be fair, this doesn’t sound like you’re in a competitive sound league, so maybe some flexibility is warranted 😛

    • Irish Sweetness

      Definitely falls into the category of first world problems, mang.

  • “For Fox, he has some tactical decisions to make. Getting Trubisky on the field in his rookie season and finding success should guarantee him a return trip to the sidelines. But if Trubisky actually sits for the
    entirety of next season, is Fox really comfortable relying on Mike Glennon to further his coaching career? (I would not be.)” – Jeff

    I thought it was the opposite. Wasn’t the whole point of Glennon to give Fox the chance at a steady experience QB to save his job?

    Fox playing a rook with only 13 games and no experience under center would be madness for him career wise.

    Trub would almost definitely go full-Bortles, and Pace would not blame it on himself, but Fox and fire his ass possibly even mid-season.

    Glennon starting, Trub sideline buys Fox some time.

    This is what Fisher was trying to do last season. Many in the local media (including the very vocal Eric Dickerson who was essentially banned from Ram’s sideline) were accusing Fisher of sitting Goff in order to save his job. The argument went “Oh, Jeff is going to say, yeah, we suck this year, but just wait till next year when Goff starts primed and ready”

    This didn’t end up happening. From most accounts the GM forced Fisher to play Goff cuz he saw through the Fisher gambit.

    Needless to say, Fox is in almost the exact position as his good ole friend Fisher, so it’s in his best interest that Glennon start for as long as possible cuz the second that rook comes in, that means it’s a lost season, and the GM is already looking for the next HC.

    • BearDown100393

      Why do former players feel it is their right to be on a team sideline?

      • Good ole boys club? Dunno.

        Dickerson is a bit of a diva, but he does speak his mind even if it’s critical (unlike other former players who only blowjob their teams)

        He reminds me a bit of Sayers in that respect. Sayers spoke his mind, and it rubbed some Bears and management the wrong way, I’m sure.

      • CanadaBear

        Deferential treatment. They’ve been treated differently since their athletic talent came to light (probably in early grade school). Not to mention, the fans like seeing their old heroes at the games.

        • BearDown100393

          So basically they want to be team mascots?

  • willbest

    “Also, WordPress needs to stop with the red underline on “Trubisky”. I’m
    going to writing that word quite a bit for the foreseeable future.” – Jeff

    Is the add to dictionary button broken?

    • BearDown100393

      Apparently.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Sounds like Pace had decided to draft both Trub and Shaheen by late fall. Quite a contrast with the Texans. Texans GM revealed that he focused on Deshaun Watson only after the national championship game on Jan 8th.

    Josh Norris‏Verified account @JoshNorris
    Pace said a scout was on Shaheen early, pounding the table in the fall.

    Must’ve known for some time he would declare early from Ashland.

  • willbest

    There is a non-trivial chance this will be true in 3 years time.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/im-just-here-win-football-games-says-22-year-old-d-56014

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    “This is appalling. If accidental, it would be a firing offense for anyone else. If deliberate, it would be treason.”

    https://twitter.com/EliotACohen/status/864230521093730304

    Manafort forced to resign, Yates fired because she told Flynn’s lying about meeting with Russian ambassador, Flynn fired when his lies exposed to the world, Sessions recused, Nunes recused after actinng like keystone cop, Comey fired. But no big deal.. What is little treason amongst friends to ensure orange chimpanzee has more $$$

    • willbest

      I like how you can call the president a chimpanzee again. There was that 8 year period where you weren’t allowed to do that.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        What are you talking about, butthurt man? That person was called all the names under the sun during those 8 years. Your ass still not saftisfied?

        Orange Chimpanzee became president by selling the lie to half-wit hicks that the 44th president of these United States was not born here and therefore an illegal alien. No proof, no fact to back up the claim.

        And the half-wits ate up that shit and elected orange chimpanzee the president.

        So why are you still butthurt?

        • willbest

          I am hopeful you aren’t dumb enough to think your comments are persuasive. So I presume they are some form of catharsis. You would think after 6 months I would tire of watching progs pearl-clutching, but it still hasn’t lost its entertainment value.

        • Scharfinator

          It’s easy to say all the “half-wit hicks” voted for Trump, but there were intelligent people who did too. That condescension and scorn is a big part of why the Dem’s lost.

          • CanadaBear

            Ironically if the DNC hadn’t been in Hillary’s pocket, Sanders probably gets the nomination and wins. Sometimes (not nearly often enough) karma’s a bitch.

          • Scharfinator

            I’ve wondered about that exact scenario as well.

          • leftcoastdave

            Guys, out of fear of inciting a riot, have you heard the breaking news about the DNC staffer murdered in DC? The FBI has the emails he was leading to Wikileaks. Not easy news to find, but it’s out there.

            Yea, Hillary. Ask Bernie about Hillary.

        • SC Dave

          You certainly seem the most butthurt of all over *our* President Trump.

    • leftcoastdave

      Journalism. RIP.

      “President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian
      foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week,
      according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s
      disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic
      State.”

      Of course, people who were real people, people who have gone on the record said this:
      “White House officials involved in the meeting said Trump discussed only shared concerns about terrorism.”

      But of course, the loony left doesn’t care about the truth. Just in you end O and lies.

      They want Comey fired, but when the president does it, they attack him for doing so.

      Duh? Whatever he does, the loony left will criticize. It will be ever thus until they grow up.

      • SC Dave

        In other words, it will be ever thus.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Don’t Care!!

  • Malice Halice

    Rashaad Coward look like a savage.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Astead W. Herndon‏Verified account @AsteadWH 43m43 minutes ago
    “That person is likely dead.” #MAGA!!!- @JulietteKayyem on CNN about source who infiltrated ISIS who the President (THE PRESIDENT) just compromised. “Breaches like this will get Americans killed.” – Robert Baer, former CIA officer, also on CNN. #MAGA!!

    • leftcoastdave

      Not to be confused with Bengahzi where Barry O hid under the bed rather than call in support after Clint Jong Hill refused more security for the ambassador they all spoke so highly of after they let him die and then (LIES?) blamed the attack on a video posted on the internet and sent the cops out to arrest the guy. DUH? Lies, people REALLY DIE and abuse of power?

      Get real.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Don’t Care!

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Can we please stop with the political crap for awhile? Seriously this is a sports blog. There are plenty other places where you guys can bloviate about all the finer points of the political garbage.

    • Johnnywad

      Just block it. I tried the other way. Doesn’t work.

      NOBODY (almost) GIVES A FUCK!!!!!

      Wanna know what’s changed in the way I live my life since Clinton became Bush became Obama became Trump? Not one Goddam thing. Nothing. Still going to work, saving a little, raising kids, drinking beer and other assorted fine goodies, and donging the wife whenever she’ll let me.

      Anybody spun up over these assholes in DC just needs more substance in their life. It’s really pretty irrelevant.

      • leftcoastdave

        Mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter. We all have our politics, most go vote and when it’s over, we support our elected officials until the next election. It is called a republican form of government and with all of it’s flaws, its the best around. Keep your panties in a bunch over that and you miss out on living life.

      • BerwynBomber

        Good for you to be so unaffected by political power. That’s a nice life. Others, unfortunately, aren’t as lucky.

        • Johnnywad

          I suppose so. And perhaps you have a point.

          But I’ve seen the same to be true for those that have lived off of/within the system of government services their whole lives. Nothing ever changes for them either other than the nature of their complaint. I’ve watched poor relatives continue to make the same mistakes regardless of whether they were receiving a “hand up” or a “hand out”. I’ve watched it handed down now to a third generation since I’ve been old enough to notice. They’ve had poor income, little to no health care and haven’t taken advantage of the education and job market available to them, as an extended family, since the Regan administration.

          So for my .02, the politics don’t matter to them either. The result remains the same. I just have chosen to stop listening to the bullshit. Because at the end of the day, the large majority of us land exactly where we were always headed.

          • CanadaBear

            Nothing against your poor relatives but from my experience the vast majority of the poor are not very intelligent. They could go to school for 50 years and they still wouldn’t be all that bright. Just not working with much. That’s my only real issue with the politicians, just don’t grind on the poor needlessly. Their lives are hard enough already.

    • CanadaBear

      Some posters I only skim and if they are talking politics it’s on to the next bunch of posts. I like that we can say what we want around here and that comes with it. Oh well.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yeah, just skip it. I check out when it turns into “I champion the crooked bastards on the left …” or “I champion the crooked bastards on the right …”

      • Cormonster

        In more important news, I’m going to see Mule in 11 days in Milwaukee with a big group. Might go see them the night before in Minneapolis with another group if all goes well with work next week. Needless to say I’m totally jacked up.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s Awesome! Hopefully you can take in both shows. I might go over to the mainland and see Trombone Shorty next month at a Festival. Saw him in AZ and he was tremendous. Really brought the Funk. Hope the weather and your work schedule allow you a little break.

          • Cormonster

            Trombone Shorty is incredible. He’s on a different level than everyone else. He’s played a lot of shows with Mule over the years. I seen him play a couple nights with Mule in Jamaica back in 2011. I had never heard of him before then, but he sure blew me away right off the bat.

            I’m gonna do everything in my power to pull off both nights. Got three big projects with Memorial Day deadlines besides normal stuff to get done by then. Gonna be a lot of long days and hopefully not too much rain.

          • CanadaBear

            I got a lot of faith in ya to get your jobs completed! Lots of motivation! The festival on the mainland has some performers that played at our Fest recently. I’m hoping they can get us comped into the show. If not, I have no issue with paying. For me, getting comped into a show is more about respect than paying the cover. I’m OK with it either way but getting comped is great!

        • leftcoastdave

          Good humor, I just checked the guy out.

      • it’s the off-season, so I don’t care as much.

        If I feel like discussing a socio-economic-political,ect topic, I’ll dip my toes.

        If not, like you said, just skip.

        Some ppl just have what I coin “political tourettes syndrome”. Can’t help injecting politics into EVERYTHING., and SHOUTING. IN CAPS.

        • willbest

          I never got the CAPS_IS_SHOUTING_THING, because I grew up coding and that served a purpose in proper naming conventions.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            hmmm, that is proper naming conventions…. I have been coding 30 years and never knew that was proper naming conventions.

          • willbest

            Did the software engineers beat that shit out? Because back in the wild wild west days of C coding preprocessor macro constant naming convention was all caps.

          • SC Dave

            Mostly.

          • SC Dave

            ThatLooksLikeShittyConventionToMe

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I get that, and I usually just skip over the political crap. I just get tired of the politics. Anything but politics. Why not debate something good like who has the best Boobs? Or are you an ass, leg or boob man?

        • leftcoastdave

          Ass, no question. I liked a girl with small titties back in the day. Marge used to call herself “flatter ‘n a tortilla.” Those twiggy girls are hot. Big hooters = not worth the price of admission.

        • SC Dave

          How about extra terrestrials?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            that works. did you know that we probably don’t have to worry about an alien invasion. A bigger threat to us is super intelligent robots from planets that had robot uprisings and killed off the originating species.

      • BerwynBomber

        I tend to think it is mostly conservatives who don’t want to hear about the job Trump is doing. Hence, can we stop talking politics bellyaching. It’s pretty transparent.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          or maybe some of us don’t want to read about it on a sports blog.

          • BerwynBomber

            Maybe not. But my guess is if it was coming from the right, you wouldn’t utter a peep. Same with Jwad.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Not true, I have made complaints over the years about politics on here, no matter which side was making the comments.

          • BerwynBomber

            Bullshit. All you do is upvote those with conservative opinions. At least be honest about who you are.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            lol, I am pretty sure you have me confused with someone else. I usually only upvote someone if they make a good football point, or they make me laugh. I usually don’t even read the political stuff.

        • CanadaBear

          But then a couple of posters from the other side start up and here we go. I’ve hated Trump and everything he stands for since the 70’s. But I know nobody is changing their minds about politics because of a Bears blog. Oh well.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. Frankly, I don’t even read all of “Elect a Clown”s political posts/re-tweets. Just find it more than coincidental that those bellyaching about them don’t share his views.

            Ah well. Takes a village.

        • SC Dave

          Oh maybe just sick of the distortions and half-facts that the left so jubilantly propagate?

      • SC Dave

        That little – thingy works great for that

        • CanadaBear

          I’ve only hid one poster on here other than spam.

    • BerwynBomber

      LCD and Al upvoted your comment? That’s rich.

      • leftcoastdave

        Damn right I up voted it. Don’t belong here. I’ll talk football with anyone regardless of politics, but when you put it in my face, I’ll call it out.

        BTW, still say playoffs and a team that will surprise them all with the D trenches, the D 7 among the best in the league with depth and rotation, able to stack that line when needed.

        • BerwynBomber

          Ok, Clint Jong Hill/Dumbocrats guy.

      • willbest

        Al virtually never starts it. You are basically knocking him for having opinions. Incidentally, that is pretty much true of me too. You wouldn’t need your toes to count the number of times I have started it this year. It seems otherwise since I almost never let that shit lay, but I view all top line comments as an invitation to comment, otherwise why make it in the first place.

        • BerwynBomber

          I’ve seen both you and Al post the anti-liberal/Hillary top line comments, or original posts if you will.

          Personally, I could care less. We all have our opinions. But upvoting some “can we just stop and be apolitical” post seems a bit humorous.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If folk weren’t Anti-Hillary AND Anti-Trump then they weren’t really getting the picture.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah, not buying the false equivalency. Never did. Never will.

          • willbest

            I tend to interpret that line of thinking as more a realization that Establishment gonna win regardless.

          • BerwynBomber

            A false equivalency by another name.

          • SC Dave

            You’re right BB. We are pretty much categorically better off when the left is out of power.

  • BerwynBomber

    “Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are the gold standards at quarterback in the NFL. It’s no coincidence that both have taken every single snap of their NFL careers under one head coach. ”

    True. But the flip side is that great QBs can give average HCs job security beyond the norm. This is what has happened in GB. Rodgers has given their HC, GM and DC cover for ~10 years. Much like last year, he pulls them into the post-season, maybe even wins them a game or two, and then their usually suspect D is badly exposed.

    Moreover, does anyone doubt that the truly elite QBs operate as player-coaches on the field? I’m pretty sure guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc., would thrive even under OC’s like Mike Tice or John Shoop. Not to say a Tice or Shoop might not prove a handicap. But I still think those guys would maintain top 10 level.

    In short, not overly concerned under whom Trubisky develops. The only issue with Fox is a win-now/commitment to veterans approach. But then again, that’s most HCs in the league.

    • madscout12

      They do act like player-coaches, but only after they’ve learned the ropes in a good system. Manning could be what he was in Denver because he had great teachers in Indy for so long. It is a chicken/egg problem, but I don’t know any egg that’s incubated themselves.

      To illustrate, here the first three seasons where they started all games for 2 QBs:
      Year,TD, TD%, Int, Int%, Yds, Rate

      QB1 (started 1 game year prior)
      1st,18,4.4,12,2.9,2843,86.5
      2nd,28,4.7,14,2.3,3764,85.7
      3rd,23,4.4,12,2.3,3620,85.9

      QB2 (started 6 games year prior)
      1st, 20, 4.3,14,3.0,3497,88.1
      2nd,25,4.1,18,2.9,4526,86.0
      3rd,27,4.9,26,4.7,3666,76.8

      The first is Tom Brady, the second is Jay Cutler. Tom Brady won a few superbowls in his first couple of years, because he had a nice defense to back him up. Jay was traded and stepped into a wasteland of offensive thought and talent.

      • BerwynBomber

        You truly think Mike McCarthy and Tony Dungy are to coaching what Rodgers and Peyton are to QBing? I don’t. In fact, I’m not sure McCarthy is that much more than an average HC, though he might be an upper half of the league OC.

        I get the chicken and egg thing to a point, but if guy is great he’ll be great. The difference for them with coaching is Ws and Ls, to a point. Or post-season success, titles.

        Put Rodgers or Brees on NE I doubt the Pats have any less SBs. Put Brady on NO or GB I doubt they have any more. But he’d still be great. Just as they are.

        • madscout12

          Tom Moore was to coaching what Manning was to QBing. Dude taught him the ropes.

          And yes, McCarthy may choke in the playoffs and may not know how to keep a D. But he can put together a playbook. How many times have we seen WR running across the middle wide open? Always.

          A guy will be great if he is going to be great, unless he’s surrounded by nothing at the beginning of his career. Then he’s Andrew Luck. Then he’s Archie Manning.

      • BerwynBomber

        But Brady was overrated until about the time of their second or third SB. Then he came into his own. And Cutler was already showing his penchant for turnovers — see years 2 and 3 on your list.

        And btw, Jay’s PR #s didn’t change much from DEN to CHI. They were largely average throughout his entire career.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Jay had not WR (devin hester/roy williams) and was also switching OC like a game of hot potatoes

          • CanadaBear

            Marshall, Jeffery, Forte and Bennett. Cutler had weapons along with a RB that led the league in yards from scrimmage during his 8 years in Chicago. There were some shit offenses during Cutler’s career but there was also talent. Stop with all the excuses for Cutler.

          • BearDown100393

            People will never get how hard it is to be a NFL quarterback and not care all at the same time.

          • willbest

            And that first year without the drama they were the #2 offense in the league second only to Peyton Manning GOAT performance which included a win over Romo’s 5 TDs 500+ yards and 1 INT performance where he somehow was the chump because they lost on a late pick.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yes, and the O was even a tad better under McCown. Go figure.

        • madscout12

          You mean year 2, where he was on a team with no defense and his coach had him chucking it all over the yard to win cause they had a crap D? Or in 2009 when everyone on D was hurt, no Oline, and he had a shit for brains O-coordinator?

          The point here is not to excuse Cutler. That bone is buried. The point is to learn from Cutler. That lesson is, you can’t make a large investment in a QB and leave him. You have to continuously invest with talent around him. This is what Luck doesn’t have in Indy. That’s what Cutty didn’t have for his first few years here. Turbisky shouldn’t be left with the same.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutler had a top of the league D and STs most of his career. Numerous QBs don’t have that. Jay was Jay. The organization was secondary in terms of his shortcomings. He was never going to be more than what he was.

    • Bender McLugh

      Brees didn’t thrive when Sean Payton was suspended.

      • Brees isn’t in the same tier as Brady/Rodgers. Half step down.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m sure Shula made Marino better than he was. Bellifat helped Brady no doubt. Knoll and Bradshaw. It’s probably no coincidence that Bill Walsh mentored (controlled?) Joe Montana and Steve Young.

      I’d go for Chucky. He’s no Shula/Walsh … but he could mentor Mitch ….give Gruden a job!

      • BerwynBomber

        I’m sure Shula did. And I’m sure Walsh helped Montana and that there is no way Brady would be considered the best ever w/out Belichick.

        My point was that such QBs would have thrived elsewhere too. Maybe not to the level they did under Shula, Walsh and Belichick, but they still would have been upper tier QBs.

        Does good coaching help? You bet. But an elite QB will find his way, regardless. My two cents.

        P.S. Gruden seems to like his ESPN and coaching clinic life. Don’t know if he’d be interested.

    • Sahr Gborie

      there is no way brady/rodgers are what they are without proper coaching. this is not denying their talent and what they are capable off however no one would have known about brady if belicheck did not take a chance of him. its a coach/player relationship.

      luck is a great qb. but without a coach to bring out the best in him look where he: teasing you with his talent and being left to carry the load by himself.

      1 player cant overcome lack of talent on a team or lack of coaching

    • SC Dave

      Interesting discussion guys, bit it seems to have drifted from what I perceive as jeff’s point – consistency in the staff. Not necessarily greatness.

  • BearDown100393

    Vote for Mitch Trubisky.

    • willbest

      For week 1 starter? Are you fucking nuts. I am going with the Giraffe. A clumsy, yet majestic creature. Plus legend has it he can dance.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuloeS1K1I

      • CanadaBear

        And yet people still trophy hunt giraffes. Of all the animals that are killed for trophies, that one makes the least sense.

        • willbest

          The unique pelt?

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t get any of it. Unless you are eating your kill, there really is no reason to kill these animals. I had a giraffe come up to me at the St. Louis Zoo 30 years ago and I fed it leaves for about 20 minutes. Ever since then I’ve been a real sucker for giraffes. Not a lot of danger involved hunting them.

          • leftcoastdave

            Not a lot of danger hunting big game of any kind. Certainly barbaric.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            shoot them all.

          • BearDown100393

            To earn your vote, Mitch will reneg on his protecting animals pledge.

            Vote Mitch Trubisky

          • King of DBB

            asshole

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am ok with that.

          • SC Dave

            He’s just trolling. Tediously common behaviour of his.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            not this time Dave. I don’t have a problem with big game hunting.

          • willbest

            People have different attitudes based on their experiences. I find living in a place like Chicago gives you zero concept of what nature is actually like.

            Villages in Africa lose people to lions. We drive through in well protected vehicles.

            Wolves were hunted to near extinction in the US for a reason, and that reason is becoming more apparent as their numbers climb. They prey on human’s livestock and pets.

            On the west coast, Golden Eagles are actually a thing small pet owners need to concern themselves with.

          • BearDown100393

            Mitch promises to release all the animals caged in Lincoln Park and Brookfield. Then Chicagoans can shoot animals instead of each other.

            Vote Mitch Trubisky

          • CanadaBear

            Same with Bald Eagles. Trust me, I have an 11-pound pooch, I’m always vigilant.

          • SC Dave

            I don’t see the point in exterminating a species for the sake of saving a minuscule fraction of some rancher’s 100,000 head of sheep.

          • willbest

            I don’t think wolves particularly care whether or not they hit one of the Big Ag businesses or the small 50-500 head cattle ranchers. In fact, they probably prefer the latter.

            Also it isn’t just the loss of a cow. Its what being hunted does to the herd. The claim being made is that cows that have to spend time searching for prey spend less time foraging. The result is they are leaner (requiring more feed) and vitamin deficient (requiring more supplements).

            And last I checked, raising cattle wasn’t exactly a gravy train. Its not like iphones where after a decade you got a war chest of $250 billion to get you through a rainy day.

            http://www.beefmagazine.com/pasture-range/wolves-economic-bite-cattle-goes-way-beyond-predation

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            beefmagazine? that actually sounds like a magazine for lawyers.

          • willbest

            Wait? you all don’t have subscriptions? How do you keep abreast in the world of beef?

          • BearDown100393

            Birdcage is a lifelong subscriber

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. It’s an inane argument. We aren’t running out of livestock or pets any time soon. Some of the wild species are a different story.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            the wild species should be better at hiding.

          • BearDown100393

            As dangerous as executing a hard count in front of Gruden.

            Vote Mitch Trubisky

          • CanadaBear

            I agree but if you fuck up with elephants, rhinos, big cats, etc., you might get killed. I just can’t see a giraffe in that category.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Giraffes can and do kick tigers to death. Do not fuck with giraffes.

          • CanadaBear

            The one I was feeding leaves didn’t seem too scary. I get they can kick some ass but I’ve never heard of giraffes going around terrorizing villages.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I hear giraffe meat is actually quite tasty.

          • BearDown100393

            “Tastes like tapioca” – Mitch Trubisky

            Vote Mitch Trubisky

          • CanadaBear

            I wouldn’t be surprised if it was good but I doubt any trophy hunters are eating giraffe.

          • Malice Halice

            I’d think so, it’s a herbivore. I can’t think of any good shit that’s a carnivore. I had gator jerky b4 n that wasn’t bad.

          • BearDown100393

            Mitch doesn’t hunt giraffes at the zoo. But if he did, he would eat all of it.

            Vote Mitch Trubisky

        • BearDown100393

          Mitch Trubisky promises only to retire giraffes. Not shoot them for their neck pelts.

          Vote Mitch Trubisky

      • BearDown100393

        End the fighting here.

        Vote Mitch Trubisky

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a good article with Donatell talking about some of the guys in play for DB’s this year.

    http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/bears-db-coach-ed-donatell-looks-get-quality-quantity

    • willbest

      I am hoping Cooper is our diamond in the rough. It would be nice if Demps was the reason Bouye was allowed to be as aggressive, the way Thomas makes Sherman that much better, but I won’t hold my breath on that one.

      • CanadaBear

        I think all three guys (including Prince A) will be a big step up if they can remain on the field. Demps had two less INT’s than the entire Bears D last year.

        • leftcoastdave

          I like what it says about the assessment of the youngsters and how getting the seasoned vets will help teach them up.

  • BerwynBomber

    Peyton hosting the ESPYs. Absolutely no interest in such a redundant show, but I bet he kills. He was awesome as a guest host of SNL years back. A natural.

    • BearDown100393

      Jay would be better.

      • willbest

        I am kind of curious to see how he does.

        • BearDown100393

          The new Dean Martin

        • BerwynBomber

          Jay will rock. Only question will be vocal enthusiasm. He doesn’t need to be Gruden 2.0 but he can’t be the “yeah, whatever” Jay either.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    It is amazing how spot on this Patriots blogger was about where Adam Shaheen could go. This is what he wrote in early Feb way before the combine.

    As many of you remember from last year, I had a draft crush on another small school Tight End, Tyler Higbee. Well, Adam Shaheen has made me all but forget about Higbee and I might even have a bigger crush on him. Look, I know he is going to be making a huge jump in competition, but this kid has the raw physical and athletic traits that could make him special with a little time and good coaching. He has a build similar to Gronk and he plucks the ball out of the air like Gronk does as well. Before we go all crazy, I am not saying he is or will ever be Gronk, but he shows physical and athletic traits that are Gronk like. If, and I preface this with a big if, he can can take to the coaching and handle the jump in competition, he has a chance to be a mismatch on offense. He is a day 2 guy for sure, but I would take a chance on him earlier on Day 2 than most. I think he will make a name for himself when he tests at the combine (I am assuming he will get an invite) and maybe an early day 2 pick won’t sound so crazy after that.

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2017/02/scouting-report-adam-shaheen-te.html

  • King of DBB
  • willbest

    ***** Star Wars 7 spoilers *****

    So this came across my feed. Kylo broke the top 1000 as a baby name. I went to the SSA site and it turns out that there were only 238 boys named Kylo. But still, they have to be single mothers right? What fucking man would name his son after a character that killed his father? Why not just go all out and run with Oedipus to pick up the incest to go along with the patricide?

    There were also 254 boys named Rey last year. Which as it turns out has been floating around the bottom of the top 1000 list since the start of the millennium.

    • BearDown100393

      Kylo is the preferred choice of single mothers.

      • willbest

        Disappoint. I expected Mitch to have platform on this topic.

        • BearDown100393

          The right wing seems to hate Mitch.

  • King of DBB

    Chicago Bears

    QB: Mike Glennon
    RB: Jordan Howard
    WR: Cameron Meredith
    WR: Kevin White
    WR: Kendall Wright
    TE: Dion Sims
    LT: Charles Leno
    LG: Josh Sitton
    C: Cody Whitehair
    RG: Kyle Long
    RT: Bobby Massie

    DE: Akiem Hicks
    DT: Eddie Goldman
    DE: Jaye Howard
    OLB: Leonard Floyd
    ILB: Nick Kwiatkoski
    ILB: Jerrell Freeman
    OLB: Pernell McPhee
    CB: Prince Amukamara
    CB: Marcus Cooper
    S: Adrian Amos
    S: Quintin Demps

    Detroit Lions

    QB: Matthew Stafford
    RB: Ameer Abdullah
    WR: Marvin Jones
    WR: Golden Tate
    WR: Kenny Golladay
    TE: Eric Ebron
    LT: Taylor Decker
    LG: Graham Glasgow
    C: Travis Swanson
    RG: T.J. Lang
    RT: Ricky Wagner

    DE: Ezekiel Ansah
    DT: Haloti Ngata
    DT: A’Shawn Robinson
    DE: Kerry Hyder
    OLB: Tahir Whitehead
    MLB: Jarrad Davis
    CB: Darius Slay
    CB: Teez Tabor
    CB: Nevin Lawson
    S: Tavon Wilson
    S: Glover Quin

    Green Bay Packers

    QB: Aaron Rodgers
    RB: Ty Montgomery
    WR: Jordy Nelson
    WR: Davante Adams
    WR: Randall Cobb
    TE: Martellus Bennett
    LT: David Bakhtiari
    LG: Lane Taylor
    C: Corey Linsley
    RG: Jahri Evans
    RT: Bryan Bulaga

    DE: Mike Daniels
    DT: Kenny Clark
    DE: Dean Lowry
    OLB: Clay Matthews
    ILB: Joe Thomas
    OLB: Nick Perry
    CB: Kevin King
    CB: Davon House
    CB: LaDarius Gunter
    S: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
    S: Morgan Burnett

    Minnesota Vikings

    QB: Sam Bradford
    RB: Dalvin Cook
    WR: Stefon Diggs
    WR: Adam Thielen
    WR: Laquon Treadwell
    TE: Kyle Rudolph
    LT: Riley Reiff
    LG: Alex Boone
    C: Pat Elflein
    RG: Joe Berger
    RT: Mike Remmers

    DE: Danielle Hunter
    DT: Linval Joseph
    DT: Datone Jones
    DE: Everson Griffen
    OLB: Anthony Barr
    ILB: Eric Kendricks
    CB: Xavier Rhodes
    CB: Trae Waynes
    CB: Terence Newman
    S: Harrison Smith
    S: Andrew Sendejo

    • willbest

      Really? Kevin White? We got that Wheaton to be our #2

      • AlbertInTucson

        Kevin White? Good luck with that.

    • SC Dave

      Nice… other than Vadgers, it seems we can hold up.

      • madscout12

        That Packer secondary though. I want to see our boys running wild.

        • leftcoastdave

          I must absolutely be seeing though rose colored glasses but I see a team which has been rebuilt with a great mix of steady veterans and youngsters. The line gelled first there with Whitehair being able to step in next to Kyle Long. At LB, plenty of vets brought in to train up Floyd and Quick. That was lacking in the secondary, especially needing a QB back there to run the show. Demps ought to be that guy. Nothing better for bringing in a new QB than to have massive TE’s for your sets who can catch. This offense should be able to grind down defenses with the ability to make them pay for overloading the box. The D line is now deep with ability to rotate and stack.

          This will be a fun season to watch.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Fire up the old impeachment machine!! It will take some time to warm up..

    Marshall Cohen‏Verified account @Marshall_Cohen 39m39 minutes ago
    SEN. ANGUS KING: “i say it with sadness and reluctance,” but if Trump urged Comey to end any investigations, impeachment is on the table.

    To the high school teenagers here who want the non-football talk limited to sex, boobs, ass

    Isn’t it great that president number 45 loves golden showers from russian hookers..orange chimpanzee loves everything golden. very classy. Gotta give him that.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      You don’t have to be a teenager to enjoy sex, boobs and ass. I am 38, and I would rather talk about those topics than politics. Besides you missed a topic, aliens are also acceptable.

      • King of DBB

        And assholes

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          not sure I want to talk about assholes, but it is better than politics. Might I suggest douchebags.

          • King of DBB

            It’s good to stick with topics you are intimately familiar with

          • BearDown100393

            Actually seems to be the same topic.

          • willbest

            speaking of douche, I watched that Sausage Party movie, and while it had a couple solid lines, I want my 90 minutes back.

          • CanadaBear

            That bad? I was going to watch it. DAMN!

        • SC Dave

          I’m afraid, GP, that you mistake a warty, bent, ugly, spiteful creature for a perfectly useful excretory orifice.

    • King of DBB

      Chill.

      Trump would be swinging from a tree by now if this was the 1780s. But it’s not and the GOP ain’t going to start on the guy while he makes the perfect fall guy for deregulation madness and bills pushed through at midnight that fuck up everyone except the fat capitalists

      • willbest

        So would every politician born in the last 100 years. Its amazing what public education has allowed us to tolerate.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          I agree with that public education comment.

    • SC Dave

      You’ve sure become a whiny little cunt these days.

      Get over it.

      Trump is YOUR PRESIDENT.

      • BerwynBomber

        Fuck Trump. Dude’s a disaster, though he may end up doing the impossible and make GWB look semi-competent.

        • SC Dave

          Or even obama

          • Big Mike

            Honestly, lets put down some facts about how Obama hurt the USA, or what was awful.

          • leftcoastdave

            Ask all of the blue collar workers who this last year became “low information voters” when they changed their votes from Obama to Trump. They swung the election in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa.

            Those are the people who were killed by eight years of “hope and change”, shovel ready jobs which were not quite so shovel ready, except for the Solyndras which needed to be buried.
            Do you want to talk about foreign policy with the Russian reset which Vlady took to mean he could take over the Crimea and south western Ukraine?
            Do you want to talk about Libya where they decided to take out God-awefull for no good reason leaving the place a vacuum for ISIS?
            Do you want to talk about Egypt where Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and destabilized the regime leading to now having the military in control?
            Do you want to talk about Iran where he gave them bizillions with which to fund terror and build nukes with ICBM?
            Do you want to talk about NOKO where he did nothing?
            How about if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?

            Seriously? How did he hurt the USA with the slowest growth rate of any president to ever hold two terms in office?

          • Big Mike

            You do know that the economy was in a free fall when he took office right? His support of the Muslim brotherhood is a myth. The US position on Iran is decades old. Under almost every diplomatic, economic and social measure, we were better off when Obama left office then when he arrived. In many cases substantially. The voters in Ohio, PA , MI, WI and IA are pissed off because they live in a world that doesn’t pass out union jobs for life. Coal mines aren’t coming back. Obama’s policies target income equality. They didn’t all work, shovel ready was a great concept, but it was born in a crisis. The economic case for tax cuts that benefit the rich and “trickle down” is laughable. It was suspect when Reagan bought into it, it’s laughable now as data and economists have studied the model. Most of the foreign policies failures reek of pseudo patriotism and nationalism. There are always threats. There are always multiple ways to analyze and deal with such complex issues. There are rarely “right” answers. Obama used every tool at his disposable, relying on genuine experts, State Department, Department of Defense, the Intelligence community and so on. 45 relies on twitter and fox news.

    • madscout12

      The problem with impeachment is that the VP is WORSE. Trump is a moron and accidentally evil. Pence is purposefully ignorant and evil.

      • A7Xthebest

        Pence is awesome and true to himself.

        • leftcoastdave

          A good Hoosier with mid-western values.

      • willbest

        I am curious where that talking point came from? Like I assume somebody created an itemized list of each of their faults. Or is being openly Christian just enough to qualify as evil?

        • madscout12

          You can be openly Christian believe in science. You don’t have to hate gay people.

          Christian =/= Conservative. Mike Pence is the type of hateful Conservative Christian that give people who’ve actually read what Jesus said a bad name.

          • BerwynBomber

            Moreover, hardcore pro-life dudes always raise my suspicion. Kinda like the homophobia crowd. What’s behind it? What male insecurities are being projected?

          • willbest

            So if you believe life begins at conception something science can neither prove nor disprove, would it not be murder? So aren’t you really just saying you don’t trust guys that are really against murder?

            Are those people usually closet serial killers?

            And lets be clear. Except in rape, save the life of the mother and most cases of incest, abortions are really about freeing the mother from the consequences of her deliberate actions, and as society we don’t really want to decide the morality of it because unwanted babies are a massive financial burden on the system and reducing that number balances the budget

          • Irish Sweetness

            Are there actually people who believe that life does not begin at conception?

            “Life: the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.”

            If you don’t believe that life begins at conception, then it doesn’t begin until about 11 years of age either. You should then be perfectly entitled to kill a 10 year old because they are not “alive” because they don’t reproduce.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t. Life begins when you are born. Pretty much how we viewed “life” until right wing Christian hypocrites decided they wanted to obsess over a woman’s womb.

          • leftcoastdave

            Science suggests otherwise, as does logic. A baby can be born when someone chooses to deliver that baby. Choose to cut the baby out by C section and the person making the choice decides when the baby’s life begins?
            The earth used to be flat and the sun used to revolve around the earth.
            Science tells us it is otherwise.

          • BerwynBomber

            “Can be born” … did you notice that? Birth? Yes, when birth happens, life begins,

          • leftcoastdave

            Life one minute, not life the minute before.

            I guess that makes it easy.

          • BerwynBomber

            It does. Pretty much how we view it when the debate isn’t high-jacked by Christian Right wackos. No one goes around celebrating their “conception date” nor do we etch it on tombstones.

          • leftcoastdave

            Well that certainly is simple. I’ll have to hand you that.

          • CanadaBear

            Kinda like the conception BS.

          • leftcoastdave

            I don’t understand what you mean, CB. You mean the scientific fact that life begins at conception? Or the fact that the law recognizes the taking of that life by a third party (ie., an attack on a pregnant woman causing the death of an unborn baby) to be murder?
            To what “conception BS” do you allude?

          • CanadaBear

            Life begins at conception.

          • leftcoastdave

            Yep. Pretty hard to dispute that scientific fact.

          • CanadaBear

            Whatever dude.

          • SC Dave

            Smh

          • willbest

            So if the woman goes into labor, and the baby’s head hasn’t crowned, its okay to kill it?

          • willbest

            excuse me. Destroy it. Its not alive so it can’t be killed.

          • BerwynBomber

            Where did I say that? I only said I don’t consider abortion murder. I’m fine with most of the four or five month restrictions on it — except when the mother’s life is in danger or the fetus will be severely disabled.

          • willbest

            You just said it wasn’t alive. That would make it an object, owned/controlled by the woman who’s body its in. So why would you tell another person what to do with their property?

            Also, why are severely disabled limbo entities entitled to less protection than healthy limbo entities or only the moderately disabled? How do you square that from an equality standpoint?

            I understand the cost to society is significant, but so is the cost of taking in refugees.

          • BerwynBomber

            If you believe it is murder – and I highly doubt you do — then convict ALL women who have ever had an abortion as murderers.

            Wanna go that route?

          • leftcoastdave

            Most have already convicted themselves if you listen to what they say about their experiences.

          • BerwynBomber

            Guilt and regret are akin to legal conviction of murder? Yeah, ok …

          • leftcoastdave

            I guess it depends upon the person convicted which is worse. Have you read your Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky? Much great work written about a conflicted conscience.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course in regard to the conflicted conscience. And I would never discount the gut-wrenching decision that women make or hell that men may be part of. I’m sure many live with it, uncomfortably, the rest of their lives.

            But I don’t view it as murder nor do I think the government should be heavily involved in it.

          • CanadaBear

            Depends on who you talk to.

          • willbest

            I do consider it murder. However, what you are proposing would violate the ex post facto clauses of the constitution. Which roughly means you can’t punish somebody for past actions if they weren’t crimes when they were performed. And incidentally, such a clause is foundational to the rule of law. So you can’t just throw it out the window if you want western civilization to continue.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ok, so if we outlawed abortion and a woman aborted her fetus, at say, 60 days, you would prosecute her as a murderer, right?

          • willbest

            As long as she engaged in consensual sex and her life wasn’t in danger.

          • Big Mike

            Love the fetus, hate the child. SMH

          • willbest

            interesting assertion.

          • willbest

            Got it. You have no idea why you hate Pence, just vomiting the party line. The neverTrumpers seem to be hoping he resigns and they get Pence. I laughed at them and tell them that the progs have poisoned that well too.

          • Big Mike

            First of all he sold his soul by aligning himself with Trump. There is no Christianity in anything Trump had done or said. Pence’s stock rose, when Republicans began to realize what a buffoon they were about to nominate. Starting with Indiana’s Religious Freedom Act, which besides being a constitutional nightmare, allows businesses to discriminate against consumers based on religious beliefs. Note: My own belief is that rules like this are not about freedom, but are about freedom to express one type of religious behavior. You also have his bans on Syrian refugees as Governor of Indiana, (later overturned by two federal judges), He trolled his own party by repealing Common Core educational standards and later implementing educational standards completely consistent with Common Core. His position on marriage equality, tobacco (he doesn’t “think” smoking kills), has stated that he would like to redirect HIV/AIDS funding to “conversion therapy” research and tried to re-define the term rape, to include only the most extreme cases where the victim was physically beaten. (statutory rape, drugged victim, verbally threatened etc .. not = rape).

            It’s not a party line, when these are his words and actions.

          • willbest

            You can’t convert a non-believer unless you are in a position for them to listen to you. I could tear apart a good chunk of the rest of your list, but there is substance beyond “he hates, so I hate him”. Thank you for that.

          • Big Mike

            Tear apart all you like. These are Mike Pence’s words and actions. Would he be better than the buffoon that is office, clearly. The level to which Republicans have shown they are willing to threaten progress and damage the USA in the name of their party (perks, power etc) has been enlightening. 8 years of having their publicly stated goal of impeding all initiatives of the President, 3 months of overturning Executive Orders blindly simply because they made Trump feel important, passing a Health Care Reform Bill in the house that wasn’t read, isn’t practical etc, simply to have a victory and the list goes on, has shown me a side of our political leadership that is nauseating. Would Democrats have done the same thing? I don’t know. But it seems at least their motives are to help more of the country than republicans.

          • willbest

            “passing a Health Care Reform Bill in the house that wasn’t read”

            This made me chuckle

          • Big Mike

            There are at least three congressman who have said as much. “congressman, did you read the whole bill”. “no”.

          • willbest

            how many democrat congressmen/women read the first one? All 2700 pages of it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            70% of physicists have faith, according to Jim Al Khalili and Brian Cox (Profs). That may be just in a higher power though. ‘God’ brings connotations.

            And for me, discovery of the big bang is as much proof of creation as you could ever have.

          • leftcoastdave

            Irish, you know that the Big Bang theory was first posited by a Catholic priest? He called it the “hypothesis of the primeval atom” or the “Cosmic Egg”.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

          • Big Mike

            No shit. I mean it started somewhere. Why?

  • madscout12

    This is what I was trying to say below. Need the guys around Trubs to make him succeed. That’s what this year is all about. Do we have the right coaches? Skill guys? O-Line? Fix it next year before he plays.

    https://youtu.be/4-44uvGt4jQ?t=1598

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      that guys voice almost put me to sleep.

  • Joecashflow

    I just can’t get into it yet. I ignored pre-draft hoopla. Pretty much ignored the draft except for a few “WTF !” moments. I checked the schedule and found 2 wins, so there is that hope. Then post draft, I ignored all pontiff rantings and prognosticators. I even shut off a good friend, whose rantings (he’s a GD Packer fan) pissed me off. So here I am, mid-May. My NFL package still intact. So I grab cup of Java at first light today, sit alone in quiet repose, turn on NFL network for tge first time in ages and what pops up? It’s a humor film. “The most fun teams ever”. Features the 2012 Jets and a Bears team. Could have been alot of Bears teams, But this one comes with the tag line, “To this day, the Bears still don’t believe the Packers beat them.” Several games come to mind. Not just one magic year. Maybe the 89 Bears. Maybe the NFC Championship game, ride the bicycle game. But the 2012 Jets……The Train Wreck Season. When Ryan refused to bench Sanchez. Stand by your man. The year of the butt fumble, one of the most replayed plays of all time.

    I couldn’t watch after that. Resigned to go back into pre-season hibernation with Mr. Butt Fumble. Long Neck, and Mr. Biscuit to watch this season. Should be fun. Bear down Bears. But just can’t get into it yet. We got Butt Fumble. 16 games in the season again. 16 beers in the fridge. Coincidence? I think not.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      i think you are going to need more beers in the fridge.

      • Joecashflow

        I think this season will demand more than beer. The Dark and Stormy. Popular in New Orleans. Ginger beer and Sailor Jerry’s rum. It’s gunna be another Dark and Stormy season. Bear down Bears !

      • AlbertInTucson

        …and a bigger fridge…?

    • leftcoastdave

      You definitely need more celebratory beers for that fridge.

      I must absolutely be seeing though rose colored glasses but I see a
      team which has been rebuilt with a great mix of steady veterans and
      youngsters. The line gelled first there with Whitehair being able to
      step in next to Kyle Long. At LB, plenty of vets brought in to train up
      Floyd and Quick. That was lacking in the secondary, especially needing
      a QB back there to run the show. Demps ought to be that guy. Nothing
      better for bringing in a new QB than to have massive TE’s for your sets
      who can catch. This offense should be able to grind down defenses with
      the ability to make them pay for overloading the box. The D line is now
      deep with ability to rotate and stack.

      This will be a fun season to watch.

    • BearDown100393

      1 beer per win.

  • Big Mike

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/16/nfl-draft-2014-grades-analysis-best-picks

    It’s official. Bears 2014 draft was the worst in the league.

    • BearDown100393

      Ego and Leno were probably deemed demi-gods when drafted by the blog.

      • CanadaBear

        From what I remember nobody was too impressed.

        • Bender McLugh

          Ego seemed to be a beast, abcya

          • BearDown100393

            Was Ego a combine standout?

    • CanadaBear

      Not sure it’s official (it is SI after all) but I would be shocked if anyone on here disagrees with it. I guess Ferguson is the worst pick that year but Fuller is by far the most disappointing. He started out great and by the end of his first year he had tailed off a lot but just figured it was the rookie wall. Two years ago he sucked and last year he couldn’t play due to a clean up procedure on his knee. Something that usually keeps guys off the field for 3-4 weeks. FUCK!

      • Big Mike

        I posted something like this a couple days ago. Ferguson was supposed to be the steal of the draft. Physically he was all there. Must have been a heart/head problem. Fuller just pisses me off. I want him to do well this year because he’s a Bear and it helps the team. But if the reports are true and he’s just gaming things to try and get to a second contract and coast, that’s the worst type of ball player. Wouldn’t even try. Now he’s competing for a job. In my book tie goes to the other guy. The end.

        • CanadaBear

          100%. Unless he gets his head out of his ass, his next contract will be a touch over league min.

        • willbest

          Let somebody else pay Fuller.

    • Joecashflow

      Yes a complete bust. We are cursed if some redemption does not pop out of the 2017 class. I have no hopes for 1st Rd. WR White at this point, either (2015).

      • CanadaBear

        100%. I was pleasantly shocked when George cleaned house. PE was worse than Glitchy if that’s possible. And Nessman, say no more.

    • King of DBB

      June of 2014, Da Blog

      “I think the Chicago Bears may have had the best draft of all the teams.” – Jeff. On Twitter.

      • CanadaBear

        Data trails are funny things.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “League should just go to a 4 game, 8 game, IR setup. Then there’d be no reason to put anybody on IR until it was absolutely necessary.”

    A concept I can endorse.

    • willbest

      Its an interesting concept. Though I think our record breaking injury list the last couple years leads us to believe it will accomplish more than it would in practice.

      The game day roster is 46 so technically teams have a 7 person disabled list. Under “normal” injury conditions you are only adding depth, and not even game day depth. They would just end up being practice bodies.

  • BerwynBomber
    • Johnnywad

      Doesn’t seem like it will really change much with regard to player safety. I see there were six overtime games last year that went beyond ten minutes of clock. I’d bet that’s pretty rare. It seems most of them end fairly quickly.

      • BerwynBomber

        Mostly agree though Harbaugh’s argument makes half-sense. The problem with it is the counter: if OT has such a hangover effect the next week then be sure to win the game in regulation.

  • Johnnywad

    Well this is fun.

    • BerwynBomber

      Deadest part of the off-season? Between draft and camp?

      I’d be game talking NBA but a) I presume I’d be on an island there, and b) I’d mostly be griping/hating on Golden State.

      • Johnnywad

        Same. My son is turning into an NBA nut. Loves the Bulls but his favorite player is Curry. Personally, I can’t stand the Curry/Jordan comparison so I tend to hate on them as well. Add that to their efforts to buy a championship and it gets worse. So, I guess I’ll pull for the Cavs again. LeBron once again appears to be nearly unstoppable.

        • willbest

          Jordan destroyed any 90’s Bulls fan ability to talk rationally on the subject. I flat out tell people that its an unofficial commandment at this point “Jordan is the greatest basketball player who has and will ever play”

          • BerwynBomber

            If LeBron wins a couple of more he is in the conversation. And that’s fine by me. Dude will have earned it.

            But yeah, Curry as comparable to Jordan is ridiculous because it only considers one side of the court — the offensive side. Curry is, at best, an average defender.

            The great “what if?” of those 90’s Bulls teams is: could they have won eight in a row had Jordan not got in gambling trouble and hid out in minor league baseball for a couple of years? It’s plausible given their two three-peats.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Bron will be in the conversation as one of the greatest but not the G.O.A.T. that belongs to MJ. 6 straight finals. 6 straight championships. nothing more needs to be said

        • BerwynBomber

          Totally. And Draymond is dirty as hell and Durant pulled the ultimate bandwagon move for a superstar in his prime. Lost all respect for him.

          • Sahr Gborie

            its a totally different league than when jordan played or even kobe played. this is how it is now: lets team up and win a ring. carrying a team on you back till you get over the finish line is in the past. basketball will never be the same again.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’d rate LeBron way above Kobe, and though I get your point, I had little problem with the KG/Pierce/Allen or Lebron/Wade/Bosh “colluding” to form a super team if only because both those franchises/teams had been god awful the year before. In short, no guarantee it was going to work.

            But Durant merely jumped on the bandwagon of a two time finalist (and one time champion) that had won 73 games the year previous. There was nothing difficult or challenging about that. Easiest road to a ring ever.

            All right, I’ve been babbling too much about the NBA here when I suggested I wouldn’t do it.

          • Johnnywad

            James is the closest thing the NBA has to a player that can put a team on his back and win a title. He was damn close to that last year.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        the one thing I don’t mind about Golden State, except for this years addition of Durrant, is that they mainly built through the draft, Curry, Thompson, and Green.

        • Johnnywad

          They definitely drafted well. And I’d probably admire that team, if I could stop hearing the Curry/Jordan comparison because the guy won a single unanimous MVP, from sixteen year old kids in flat brimmed GSW hats that don’t even play the game. That makes me immediately dig in my heels and snap to.

    • Scharfinator

      The political bullshit is maddening. Best stay away. We even got onto hot button shit like abortion today…

      • Johnnywad

        It’s brutal. And it’s completely pointless. No minds will be changed here by posting ongoing updates of the bullshit going on in DC. Ever. All it does is piss people off on the fringes and irritate the ones in the middle.

        Now boobies on the other hand…….. everybody likes boobies.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Vikings signed Sutton

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    and new thread

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