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Making The Case: Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama

| April 12th, 2017

Editor’s Note: I hate writing about the draft. Andrew does not. Hence, Andrew will writing a shitload about the draft for the next few weeks.


You’d be hard-pressed to find a player in this draft who was more dominant in college than Jonathan Allen. And the ways he dominated translate to the next level.

Allen beat blocks over and over and over.

He had nearly perfect technique.

His ability to use his hands is already as good as anyone who is in the NFL.

Over the last two years he’s had 30.5 tackles for loss and 22.5 sacks, despite spending the 2015 season in Alabama’s deep defensive line rotation. In 2016, he showed he could handle a full-time load, finishing with 69 tackles, 16 for loss and 10.5 sacks. He’s considered by most to be a better prospect than either of the top defensive linemen the last two years, Leonard Williams and DeForest Buckner.

For the Bears, he’d give them a better option on base downs than Mitch Unrein and would be their best pass-rushing defensive lineman. With Leonard Floyd and Pernell McPhee coming off the edge, Allen and either Eddie Goldman or Akiem Hicks would pressure opposing quarterbacks up the middle to give the Bears possibly the best pass rush in the NFL.

But…is he ever going to be special?

Allen is just not a special athlete and, for the most part, all the best players in the NFL are also terrific athletes.

For the most part, the Bears play two down defensive linemen and Allen might not be able to hold up against the run to control two gaps in those formations. If he has a flaw, it’s that he can get swallowed up by bigger blockers – something that isn’t uncommon – but the Bears built their defensive line around two 325-pounders for a reason.

Would drafting Allen be giving up on Jonathan Bullard? Generally, the Bears only have enough snaps for one smaller defensive lineman on passing downs. Last season Bullard had a difficult time finding the field, but he has tremendous athletic upside.

Overview

Allen is one of my favorite players in this draft class. I won’t speculate about his shoulders because I’m not a doctor. I’m also not worried about his athleticism because he tested about the same as Williams and Buckner, both of whom have been terrific in their careers so far.

He may never be J.J. Watt or Von Miller, but I think he’ll be a top-level starter from day one and add some juice to the Bears pass rush.

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  • SC Dave

    I prefer our first pick in this draft to not be physically broken before he ever dons a Bears jersey.

    • Scharfinator

      Good slip in of ‘first’, though a bit easy given the content. 🙂

    • Sahr Gborie

      Amen Dave.

      1st round picks should be have no major injury concerns and should be able to play from day 1. This takes Allen out of the picture. I don’t care what they say about 10 years down the line. I don’t want to have to worry about someone hitting you too hard or you falling on it wrong. Give me OJ HOWARD or JAMAL ADAMS

      • Irish Sweetness

        So if we draft Adams . .what do your two starting safeties look like?

        • Sahr Gborie

          Draft – Budda Barker or Desmon King in the second

          Roster – Quintin Demps

          • King of DBB

            I loved Budda Barker on the Price is Right.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Good play Sir. Good play

          • Irish Sweetness

            Amos to the bench? I guess we could bring him on for run downs instead of a corner.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Competition Irish. Its all about making the roster better

          • Irish Sweetness

            Absolutely.

          • Amos is a high-end backup, which is more than most 5th rd prospects are.

  • CanadaBear

    The part that jumped out at me was he has a tendency to get swallowed up by bigger OL men. They are all bigger in the NFL. Have no idea. I’d prefer Adams but I’m OK with whoever they pick as long as they are worthy of the #3 pick. Just as long as they don’t suck and can start right away.

    • SC Dave

      Another thing that typically bothers me with Alabama players is that their teammates are generally considerably better than their opponents all across the field. In the NFL, that does not happen very much.

      Edit: By that, I mean that Alabama guys (at least on defense) have their flaws covered up more by their teammates than the typical college player.

  • CanadaBear

    Just read that Caitlin Jenner had sex reassignment surgery. How long before that wang is on E-Bay?

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      An Olympic wang would fetch a pretty penny, no doubt.

      • CanadaBear

        Barely used!

        • MB30SD

          I doubt that… Seems like he fathered a fucking bushels of vapid worthless offspring without any discernable talent whatsoever

          • willbest

            Pretty sure that a Jenner and a Pepsi is all you need to solve the Syrian crisis.

          • CanadaBear

            Let’s say it’s been in storage for a while. Totally agree about his worthless offspring. TBH, probably only the older guys on here really remember him as an Olympic athlete. He was always a complete douche looking for attention. Every one of my friends felt the same way.

          • Irish Sweetness

            BA-CHING!

          • 505Bears

            Vaulted poles pretty well in his day?

          • Irish Sweetness

            And was also swallowed up by bigger men … or is that Allen?

          • King of DBB
          • Irish Sweetness

            Wow. Hi dad. How’s it been?

  • The Yes Guy

    No

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I sense a disturbance in the force….

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Allen’s best position is 3T..he would be perfect in Lovie’s 4-3 scheme.

    But I do not want Pace to be taking a chance with those shoulders at #3. He did only 21 reps of 225 lb bench press. That is kinda low for DL. Will he be able to handle big OL of NFL? For reference Paea did 33, Aaron Donald 35.

    For a change, let’s get a guy who will play 3 downs on offense or defense right from day 1.

    • CanadaBear

      Paea still holds the record at 49 reps.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee2cWddxHdI

      • willbest

        Do you think he just got bored?

        • CanadaBear

          Big chest, short arms, strong as hell, that’s a recipe for benching! I’m terrible at benching so I have no idea. Although with me, when I run out of steam it hits fast.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This, all day long. (Damn, this is like Groundhog Day)

      He may have been great in college, but with his lack of length and size he could be a JAG in the 3-4. Let a 4-3 team take the arthritis. We should either trade Bullard or ban the pizza and rush him from the OLB position. We need man-sized manly men on the DL, not tweeners.

      One of the reasons I hope we get to trade back is that we can get Malik McDowell. Julius Peppers-sized is where it’s at. With Demps/Amos, the whole Adams deal is confusing. Draft Thomas or Allen and you risk your first rounder getting swallowed up and their lunch eaten. Bad juju for the first pick.

      This Bolles guy sounds like a thing. Can’t argue with an upgrade on the OL and that has to happen early. Has to. None of us are in love with either OT, and what happens when they get injured? It all falls down, that’s what. So we could trade down (if possible) and do the following :

      Rd 1: Malik McDowell.
      Rd 2: Budda Baker
      Rd 2: Bolles
      Rd 3: Does Evan Engram make it to the top of the 3rd?
      Rd 4-X : Find linebackers and a running back.

      No more receivers, just a fervent prayer that Kevin White is okay and lives up to 80% of his potential. Braverman probably deserves a spot so we can have a shifty little slot guy.

      • CanadaBear

        You used the same argument against drafting Aaron Donald.

      • Sahr Gborie

        no tweeners huh – then please tell people to stop asking for Solomon Thomas
        we need day 1 starters with no injury concerns. if sidney jones can drop to the second due to injury why cant allen drop as well. just because we have a position of need does not mean we should reach for a toy that has scratches on it. i want my toys in mint condition. allen is not in mint condition.

        if you want to trade down im all for it. staying in the top 10 is ideal

        RD1 – OJ Howard
        RD2 – Budda Barker or Kevin King
        RD2 – Garrett Bolles (we can use draft capital from 1st round trade and toss in Kyle Fuller or trade our 3rd plus Kyle Fuller to move back into the 2nd again to get Bolles and shore up the OL)

        • Irish Sweetness

          Allen may well drop .. to like 8 ??

          No matter how good OJ is, I just can’t see Pace pulling the trigger when we have Zack and Sims. He seems to have his eye on Engram too.

          If we can start two SS guys, then so be it, but we need a true FS for the deep field.

          What does that leave us with? QB or trade back.

          Bolles would be nice. We can’t ignore the offense.

    • Allen is really the perfect DE for Fangio’s D.

      He usually uses one “undersized” DE who is really more like a 3tech (see McDonald).

      Bullard occupies that spot now.

      So does the regime seek an upgrade or are they still buying Bullard will become more than a JAG?

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus
    • Irish Sweetness

      Damn, Obi Wan Kenobi is 6’4. Fuck me. Sign that shit now, I don’t care if he sucks ….
      Where is he getting drafted? I want. That gives us Demps/Amos at SS, and Obi/Hall at FS (I guess Hall could play nickel. We’d have 6’4 and 6’2 DBs back there. Dayum!!

      (He has McDowell as interior DL?? 6’7??)

      Wow, I hope we get to trade down. Can we have McDowell, Bolles and Obi Wan? I’m down with that. I’m happy at that point whatever comes afterwards. Pass rush, safety and OT addressed .. with extra picks.

      • Sahr Gborie

        you are not asking for much are you irish….lol

        • Irish Sweetness

          We could do it, no?

          We get McDowell somewhere in the bottom half of the first. We get Bolles and Obi in the 2nd (we’d have two picks), and if we needed to trade a lower pick to move up in the second then so be it. Imagine it. It’s doable, and our team is semi-awesome.

          • Sahr Gborie

            We could but I’m looking at addressing at BPA+Need when I suggest a player

            RD1 – OJ Howard. we lose a lot of value if we trade back out of the top 10. A lot of executives and d-coordinators saw out defense as top10 last year and will only get better this year. so i propose we help giraffe neck and J.Howard
            RD2 – Budda Barker or Kevin King
            RD2 – Garrett Bolles or Obi Wan Kenobi (we can use
            draft capital from 1st round trade and toss in Kyle Fuller or trade our
            3rd plus Kyle Fuller to move back into the 2nd again to get Bolles and
            shore up the OL)

          • 505Bears

            Fuller and a 3rd would get us a 4th, he’s that bad

          • CanadaBear

            I was trying to think of something witty and you beat me by a mile!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Stick Budda at Nickel, stick Madonna at Nickel, I don’t care. Give me six foot four all day long. I like the using-Kyle-Fuller for something other than football a lot. In fact, if we could get Baker, Obi AND Bolles .. you can have Howard in the 1st.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Where are you from man? You were posting early doors yesterday …

          • Sahr Gborie

            Jersey. Im up early for work

          • Irish Sweetness

            On the blog before work, I like it.

      • leftcoast dave

        Hall is 6’6″ long and 6’2″ fast.

  • I think Allen would just about be the safest pick the Bears could make. High floor, but lower ceiling than most of the guys they’re likely considering there.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Are you serious Wood?

      What about Jamal Adams and OJ Howard?

      Why are people willing to take a player with potential injury concerns in the 1st round? – arthritic shoulder

      I have always believed that your 1st round pick should be flawless in the sense that they have no injury if you can avoid it and can contribute immediately

      • I should have qualified that by saying it is depending on the medicals. I’m not a doctor and don’t have access, but the Bears do. If they’re ok with the shoulder, then he’s a very safe pick.

        • “I’m not a doctor and don’t have access, but the Bears do. If they’re ok with the shoulder, then he’s a very safe pick.”

          Please, someone, list all the Bears 1st rd picks who have busted due to medicals.

          I think you’re a better MD than the Bears’ staff.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I have a new boner.

    Obi’s weaknesses sound like coaching could help with time:

    Strengths Elite size with premium athletic traits that
    should show up at combine testing. Four-year starter.Sharp focus when
    ball is in the air. Takes path to the ball with undercut of the route at
    the last second. Plus hand-eye coordination to flip the field with
    interceptions. Former cornerback who has the athleticism to cover
    matchup tight ends and some big slots. Posted six interceptions over
    last two seasons. Uses big frame to body-up seam-runners and constrict
    their windows. Downhill tackling machine. Plus range with a wide net to
    bring runners down once he gets his arms into them. Body-up hitter.
    Drastically reduced penalties totals over junior and senior season.

    Weaknesses Leggy and gets feet bundled up when asked to
    turn and sprint. Lacks desired instincts and will play with slow eyes
    at times. Has to see ball in the air before charging over to help on
    deep throws. Inconsistent with coverage responsibilities from high
    safety. Takes time to diagnose play-action. Rub routes found him near
    goal line. Can take inefficient paths to the ball that get him there a
    step too late. Would benefit from high-pointing rather than waiting on
    throws.

    • MB30SD

      I’m down… In the 3rd+

    • 505Bears

      I read that as he didn’t have the athleticism/skill needed to play corner, so moved to safety. And in the NFL, they don’t throw those Barbie moonballs they threw in the AAC. He won’t be able to watch it sail then make a play on it, accept in practice haha. No way in the 1st.

    • Ososfan

      Sadly, a team will take him too early, he’d be extremely great value in the 3rd round.

    • Butch prediction. He’ll drop to the 3rd and beyond.

      What’s the opposite of “oily hips”?

      “Rusty pelvis”?

      Yeah, that’s what he gots, rusty pelvis.

  • MB30SD

    Arthritic. shoulders.

    Pass.

    • King of DBB

      We miss Tank “Shotgun” Johnson and Tommie Harris.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Solomon Thomas is the 2017 NFL draft’s most frustrating prospect – Stephen White, ex NFL DL

    http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/11/15162716/solomon-thomas-scouting-report-breakdown-2017-nfl-draft

    • Bender McLugh

      small hands. smell like cabbage.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Am I the only one that finds Glennon’s tiny face … well .. tiny? Check his face out, it’s about thalf the size it should be. I hope his paws are big.

        • 505Bears

          He looks like he should be in that crazy ass market in Hellboy 2 selling space oranges.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is that worth watching?

          • 505Bears

            Heck yeah. Hellboy 2 rocks

          • Sahr Gborie

            they are working on a 3rd movie that will show him as a dad of 2

          • 505Bears

            Count me in

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s like Sin City 2. Loved the first one, didn’t see the second one. Is that worth watching?

          • 505Bears

            Never saw Sin City 2, but Hellboy 2 is worth watching. Just don’t watch it on TBS or TNT. Rent it or catch it on HBO or one of those

          • Sin City 2 has that one chick naked from 300: rise of an empire

            Then again, you can just watch 300: rise of an empire and see her get pumped.

          • Bender McLugh

            hahah

        • King of DBB

          Glennon is actually Jesus Christ. He can also talk to animals.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s Dr. Dolittle dude, different book. More believable though.

            {God}: I heard that.

            Sorry.

          • King of DBB

            Eddie Murphy vs. Morgan Freeman. I get the blacks mixed up. Thanks!

          • Irish Sweetness

            God wants a word with Eddie Murphy.

          • 505Bears

            Watch out there, Bannon….haha

        • It just looks small because of his neck.

    • Sahr Gborie

      I don’t care about intrigue or someone I have to start tinkering with. We need Day 1 plug and play starter: OJ Howard or Jamal Adams

    • Ososfan

      Hmmmmmm…..

  • Irish Sweetness

    So I’m trying to find God (mostly due to unemployment currently) …. but if he created us in his image .. why did he fuck around with dinosaurs for like 150 million years? Seriously.

    • Sahr Gborie

      they were misbehaving

      • Irish Sweetness

        Aha. Yes, very human-centric of me. He was creating paradise for the dinos .. and then he slammed a massive fucking asteroid … into paradise. I’m having trouble with this.

    • CanadaBear

      Good luck on the job search. Hope something turns up. Looking for god? Save that energy for your kids.

      • King of DBB

        Maybe he’s dyslexic and is actually looking for his Dog.

        • CanadaBear

          Over there, I’m guessing if your dog is missing he’s probably someone’s dinner.

          • Bender McLugh

            no longer in Taiwan, first Asian country to ban cat & dog meals….as meals.

          • willbest

            cultural appropriation?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I have not tried dog. Maybe in a few weeks.

            Have you tried deep-fried tarantula? I don’t know what would be worse, the hairy legs .. or the juicy belly.

          • Bender McLugh

            I haven’t, but I wouldn’t rule it out, sans furriness. Some stadiums I just read are going to start carrying deep fried or dried or something crickets as a snack. You game?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m not adventurous in that way. Don’t even like spicy.

          • Gotta go native, Irish!

            That’s how Jeff became a lush. He visited Ireland too many times.

          • King of DBB
          • Irish Sweetness

            You should see the insect stalls, dude. SMFH.

          • King of DBB

            Insect Stalls.

            What a brilliant term.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Maggots. Crickets. Beetles. “You want some sir?” …. “No thanks, I’m not close to death.”

          • King of DBB
          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s my father-in-law.

          • King of DBB

            His name is Shamus. Shamus McMillian.

          • MB30SD

            This is racist, but made me lalz

        • Irish Sweetness

          The dyslexic insomniac philosopher? Sat up all night wondering if there was a dog.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Thanks C-Bear. I’ll find out next week if he’s been listening.

        • CanadaBear

          You know how I feel about religion but whatever it takes to get you through the night. If you get a good job I’m pretty sure it had a lot more to do with your talent than the big guy. I give you a hard time all the time but I am just yanking your chain. Best wishes!

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s funny, isn’t it … he finds all his customers when they’re at their lowest.
            (shrugs)

          • willbest

            I don’t know. I wasn’t particularly low. After the birth of my first child, I had come to the realization that life violates the second law of thermodynamics. So either the universe isn’t a closed system, the 2nd law is bullshit, and/or there is a creator.

            Getting to Yahweh though takes a bit more of a leap however.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m just off to bed, but that could get interesting …

            Something Penn Gillette(!) said got me thinking. I used to call myself an agnostic, but you can’t really be agnostic. The basic question is “Is there a higher power?”. You can’t really sit on the fence with that. If nature is a higher power, then there you have it. Isn’t nature God?

            I hadn’t considered your view of the second law though, I’d like to hear about that.

            The first law certainly makes me feel better about death though.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Keep applying. Something will come up

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh it’s all about the one I’ve got lined up next week. That’s the money shot. That’s like the NFL QB job of teaching computers. No more paycheck to paycheck shit.

        • CanadaBear

          Hope you get it my friend!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll take it C-Bear, I’ll take it!

        • Ososfan

          Wish you all the best, young sir!

        • Bender McLugh

          Luck!

        • MB30SD

          Crush it maings. Best of luck mate. Hope you get it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wow, thanks guys ….

          • CanadaBear

            We might give ya a hard time but we all like you.

          • MB30SD

            Let us know brother

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Did you not play with toy dinosaurs when you were a kid? I don’t blame God for playing with dinosaurs, cuz they are awesome. I am really surprised we did not have an era of Transformers

      • Irish Sweetness

        Even my girls love dinosaurs. Everyone loves dinosaurs. Just don’t want to share the Earth with them simultaneously. I guess birds are technically dinosaurs. I like to eat them.

      • Bender McLugh

        patience, grasshopper

      • Ososfan

        Supposedly physics states they’re is a universe out there where transformers exist.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yup. Many Worlds theory. But only if the Copenhagen interpretation/wave-collapse thing isn’t true. I wonder if that’s provable either way. Anyway, back to dinosaurs.

          • Johnnywad

            Irish, how can you have such a depth of knowledge and still alternate between having a shitty job and unemployment? You got a cloudy eye or something like that holding you back?

          • King of DBB

            Irish is a Rider on the Storm.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fkn A brother. We’re the wild-eyed loners standing at the gates of oblivion, lookin’ for that ride …. or a job

          • Irish Sweetness

            Because of cadres of crazy old bitches that run schools. A pay-rise is always cool though.

          • Johnnywad

            Just given the breadth of things you post about, you’ve had your nose in a book a lot more than most. Hope you get PAID.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t honestly think I’ve bought a novel in 20 years. Physics is cool. Everything is made from atoms, right? So learn about atoms I guess …

    • willbest

      to make oil?

    • leftcoast dave

      What, dude, you never played with dinosaurs?

    • Ososfan

      Ancient Astronaut Theory….

    • leftcoast dave

      A musical answer to your dinosaurs and meteorite question.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhDcb9YaliM

    • Cuz dinosaurs are fun!

      VelecoFuckingRaptors. Pterodactyls. Those big ass Lochness monster ones.

      It’s like a 150 M year break before annoying retarded relatives move in.

  • King of DBB

    The draft is a wildcard. Go to Wiki and pull up the last 5 drafts. Barkevious Mingo anyone? 6th pick overall in 2013, the new Von Miller for the Browns? No. He got the Factory of Sadness treatment.

    He just signed a flyer with the Colts and prolly won’t make the team and is out of the NFL this year.

    Eric Reid for the Niners? Best safety since Lott? In and out of IR, barely holding his roster spot with the Niners.

    Now add to the crapshoot that is the NFL Draft the fact that even within Mock Drafts, which are roller coaster rides to begin with – I don’t think Kiper’s 6.0 draft has one-third of the players his 1.0 draft had for the first round – even within the love-em hate-em wild ride of the NFL Draft – Allen has been projected #1 overall, and at the bottom of the round being picked up by the Pats. He has had his ass kissed in articles and guys on NFL.com like Willie McGinnest calling him a sure-bust.

    Nobody knows what to make of the guy.

    Is he Sheldon Richardson or Demonte Moore? Who knows.

    • Bender McLugh

      what we do know is that he is not, by any means, Jamal Adams. Next.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Is there a history of 6’4 safeties? What’s their deal?

      • CanadaBear

        The scouting report talked about him having trouble getting his legs tangled and turning. Pretty sure some of that is due to his height.

        • Johnnywad

          Hahahaha. If I read that in a scouting report, I’d cross his name off the list without a second thought.

          • CanadaBear

            I did.

          • SC Dave

            Scouting reports are dubious this time of year.

          • Meh. Most scouting reports list the good and bad.

            The trick is, which to believe – the good or the bad.

          • SC Dave

            Or neither. Or both.

          • exactly

        • Said b4, but 6’4 S often turn out more like Laron Landry than Chancellor.

          and even then, need a disruptive pass rush and bad ass FS like Earl Thomas to patrol the back and clean up the mess, neither of which we have.

    • Sahr Gborie

      He is not worth the #3 pick with arthritic shoulders.

    • Ososfan

      A lot of fans don’t realize the importance of the position coaches as well, in promoting players growth and trying to max out the player’s potential, Mingo needed better coaching, his coach was a little more worried about not being fired and trying to win games than actually teaching, that’s why the patriots have do so well is because they take they’re time teaching their players…

      • leftcoast dave

        That is why I like the signing of Sanchez.

        • Sahr Gborie

          what? please explain?

          coaching is very important that’s why Clint leaving for the Jests Hurtt so much. He made L.Floyd a beast. Just imagine what a 2nd year of teaching would have done for Floyd

          • leftcoast dave

            Um, Sanchez has been around? Backing up is not just holding somebody’s clipboard. “Last year in Dallas, rookie quarterback Dak Prescott credited Sanchez for helping him learn how to be a professional.”
            Consider him a very, very important assistant coach.

          • Sahr Gborie

            good play sir. good play. why not go for josh mccown then?

          • Ososfan

            I know I was mocked for this but I agree with you, Sanchez helped Prescott out a lot supposedly, and he’s shown to be more than willing to help out the young guys develop, at probably, his own expense..

          • SC Dave

            Expense as in getting “only” a few million a year to not get his brains bashed in?

          • Ososfan

            Haha, I guess so, I was thinking more in the lines of getting another shot at being a starter but yea…

          • SC Dave

            I know… as you knew I was teasing.

          • As long as Sanchize NEVER sets foot on the field, I’m ok with him being the Goose to Glennon’s Maverick.

            If Glennon goes down, promote Shaw from PS (fuck, I’d even rather see Fales or Barkley back b4 Sanchize).

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Shaw will be on IR by the 3rd preseason game.

          • Irish Sweetness

            86 TDs – 86 INTs. 73 rating. Yup.

          • Ososfan

            Agreed, I hate the fact that a lot of the coaches jumped ship this year, kinda weird…

    • He’s the player I’m most conflicted about. For every pro there’s a con. Has 21 sacks in two seasons. Meh combine. Great hands. Too reactive. Holds up well vs run – first step isn’t elite.

      Some swear he’s the next Richard Seymour, others that he’s a very poor man’s Aaron Donald.

      And that’s not even taking into account the possible bum shoulder, but then again, he still played and was effective.

      Goes back and forth.

  • Ososfan

    I’m just here so I don’t get fined AND to promote Solomon Thomas for pick #3!

    • Sahr Gborie

      Why S.Thomas(tweener) when you can address BPA+NEED with Jamal Adams or OJ Howard?

      • willbest

        Other than the beat of da blog drum, how do you know Adams is BPA?

        • Sahr Gborie

          If we stay at # J.Adams is the best combination of BPA plus position of NEED. If not him then based on pure talent and day one plug and play ability i think we should go with OJ Howard. He is the most complete player in the draft next to Myles Garrett.

          If Myles Garrett is gone #1 who is the BPA+Need+Day 1 plug and play?

          • willbest

            Personally, I still like Thomas. I won’t be upset with Adams. But the reason I wouldn’t be upset with Adams is because of smoke and mirrors. He was an out of the box pick back in Jan. Now he is the front runner.

            What we see right now is teams creating questions around people they
            want to fall, and agents creating buzz around players to earn their 3%. None of us are privy to the interviews and the advanced stat metrics the teams use, and all that other stuff. So its basically, which player does awesome at the combine plus puts together the best highlight reel.

            I would rather hate Howard. We have Sims/Miller so it would be exactly like drafting Kevin White when you have Jeffery/Royal. It basically requires Howard to be a top 5 TE or its a wasted pick.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Wasted pick? How? Whats wrong with redrafting a position. You end up with depth and the
            excess player can be traded for draft capital. The Patriots do it all
            the time.

            If K.White had been playing half decent the past 2 years we would not be upset about Jeffery leaving.

            Sims is a rental. Miller is broken. Nuff said about that

            With OJ Howard we can have someone in the mold of Rob Gronkowski or Jimmy Gram. He is that good. He has been the best TE in college football for the past 2 years. He can block. He can run. He can catch. He is a redzone threat. He makes out offense that much more powerful. J.Howard+K.Wright+K.White+OJ Howard…please sign me up

          • willbest

            The question isn’t that Howard is good. Its is he really Gronk, and how much better does Gronk make your team over Marty Bennett. If you look at NFL salaries, which you can use as a proxy for importance

            Top QBs are 21+ million
            Top QB hitters are 15+ million
            Top WRs and CBs are 13+ million
            Top tackles are 11+ million
            Top TEs are … 9-10 million

            The point is that Thomas has way more upside than Howard in terms of WAR. And that is also why Trubisky, Watson get talked about as top 10 picks even though they rank around 50 in terms of best players in the draft.

            So while Howards floor (assuming he stays healthy) is competent and his ceiling is elite, you already have a guy on your roster that is competent. And Sims incidentally is on a 3 year deal with team options in 2 and 3. He is also 26 years old so you aren’t exactly talking a rental deal a la Prince.

          • Sahr Gborie

            this all comes down to personal preference. i like OJ Howard and the potential offensive damage we can do with him and K.White and J.Howard.

            i see what you are saying. Adams or Howard = Bear Down Forever

          • SC Dave

            K. White is nothing. Nada.

          • Scharfinator

            Maybe he can become something though… hopefully.

          • SC Dave

            Maybe, but so far he is nothing. When he did make it on the field, he did NOT impress.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dropsies was worrying.

          • Scharfinator

            I thought he played okay… for those 10 minutes.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m expecting a showing this year, I mean he was on IR ……

          • Exactly. The rules have elevated certain positions, none more more so than QB, then pass rushers, etc

            That’s why positional value even exists (HBs, ILBs, and yes, SS have been devalued in a pass happy league).

            Agree on Howard too. That’s why I said it would be BOLD for Pace to draft Howard.

            If he drafts Hooker/Adams/Thomas etc, they must merely be ‘good’ – above avg, a solid “B” for fans to feel satisfied.

            If Pace drafts Howard, he must reach Gronk/Graham/Gates/Gonzalez level for fans to be content with the pick. an A+

            Cuz if Howard settles into that Ebron or even Olsen tier, the pitch forks will get sharpened.

            It’s a good question though. How high would you draft Jordan Reed? Kelce? Eifert?

      • Ososfan

        Cus I still think we need more OLB help and Thomas can play all over the front too… but you know I’m on that OJ Howard train bro!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Thomas at OLB, okay .. at DE .. .no. I guaran-fucking-tee you if we played him at DE he ends up at OLB on the Pats.

          • Ososfan

            Agreed, he can play some DE though in that Fangio hybrid scheme thing. Lol

  • Sahr Gborie

    If Myles Garrett is gone #1 who is the [[BPA + Need + Day 1 plug and play]] at #3 or a trade back inside the top 10 (say jets@6 or carolina@8)?

    • Ososfan

      Trade back, hopefully and get Howard, of not, Solomon Thomas, DB’s are deeeep this year, supposedly……

      • Sahr Gborie

        that’s what i was thinking. if we stayed at 3 or we traded back and were able to stay inside the top 10 OJ Howard fits BPA+ position of need+day 1 plug and play starter

        • Ososfan

          Yup, I think a lot of the guys here are fuming because we’ve had horrible S and DB play for a while and Adams fits the bill for what can potentially be a strength and potentially refreshingly dominant Safety play… But like it’s been stressed before Howard most definitely is a once in a decade talent supposedly…

          • Sahr Gborie

            I get that Adams is good. plus the intangibles like his drive and determination plus he inspires teammates, elevates their play and sets the standard. which is why i don’t have a problem with him @3.

            OJ Howard is freak athlete plus he is the best at his position 2 years in a row. He is a redzone thereat. He can block. He is an offensive weapon like we have never had. OJ Howard + K.White + J.Howard = NIGHTMARE for opposing defense.

            I will be happy if we take Adams at 3 because the TE class is deep us and if we take OJ at 3 i would be happy because the CB/S class is deep

          • King of DBB

            OJ Howard + WHEATON + Howard

            (Sorry, that needed fixing)

          • Irish Sweetness

            With Kendall and Cam .. .AND Miller? Damn.

            Gonna NEED that OT.

  • King of DBB

    Ha.

    In looking at old drafts I see that we picked up Jon Bostic just before the Bucs picked up Mike Glennon.

    #ThanksEmery

    • Ososfan

      Better players were taken waaaaay after Bostic. Damn Emerry!

      • King of DBB

        Eddie Lacy.
        Travis Kelce
        John Jenkins.
        Mike Glennon

        All picked between Bostic and Khaseem Greene. I think Greene works at the Car Wash that Walter White’s wife owns.

      • SC Dave

        Seems there is a short memory around here of all the guys who raved about Bostic based on *one* hit in his college career.

        • Ososfan

          True that, Dave but we quickly realized our mistake…

  • Irish Sweetness

    I like the vibe on this thread ….

    • Ososfan

      You the man, Irish!

    • King of DBB

      Pontius Pilate did less to fuck over Jeebus than Phil Emery did to the Bears org.

      Discuss.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Cant disagree with you. Pontius just handed Big Baby J over and and said do with him as you like. Emery was complicit in the destruction of the Bears: the bum from the vikings+bad drafting+cutty extension

        • King of DBB

          Exactly! Passive evil vs. active fuckery.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Emery’s on hold. Jerry Angelo still lives. Put me in a room with him … and Darth Vader’s little torture ball.

        “Your bank account details MR. Angelo. Now.”

  • Sahr Gborie

    Potential Trade:

    Bears #3(2200 points)+Kyle Fuller

    for

    They had 2 third round picks so i listed only the lower one.
    Jets 1st round pick #6 = 600 points + Sheldon Richardson and any 1 of the picks below.
    3rd round pick #107 = 80points or
    5th round pick #150 = 31.4 points or
    6th round pick #191 = 15 points

    Discuss!!!

    • King of DBB

      At 3 you get Adams. If you don’t get Adams then, the Jags take him at 4 and he’s gone at 6.

      At 6 you can get Allen or Howard. Maybe.

      So if you rate Allen = Howard, then you take that trade quickly. I assume the Jets are moving up to take Trub.

      • King of DBB

        Also, I understand that the Jets regard Calvin Pryor as a bust.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Pryor being a bust is why i gave them Fuller. Plus i figure they were more likely to give up Richardson than a 2018 1st round pick. They don’t want to deal with Richardson so we can take him off their hands and solidify our DLine.

          • SC Dave

            Why would the Jets take a buat in a trade to make up for a bust.

        • “Hybrid” SS who can’t cover.

          This is usually how it ends.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Pace’s first gamble on a bad character guy, Ray MacDonald, turned out so badly that he has been burnt forever. He is not going near any player with character red flags.

      So no Sheldon Richardson or any other player with red flags in the draft. Not happening.

      • leftcoast dave

        Floyd is the one dude he should consider with the character rap. From St. Paul, a domer and potentially great receiver. Sign him with the character clause out and you have a Glennon contract. Show us. He could be better than AJ ever was.

        • Sahr Gborie

          OJ Howard+K.Wright+Malcolm Floyd+J.Howard is a sick line up and lets not forget Braverman

      • The problem with Richardson is that he supposedly checked out, didn’t put in the work and showed up late (or missed) meetings.

        Some actually blame Mo Wilkerson for that bad influence, but who knows?

        Is that they type of player Pace would trade his precious draft picks for after dumping Bmarsh and Bennett?

        Doubt it.

        McDonald had no on field issues, but his off-field issues, holy shite.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The 6 pick and Sheldon, I like. There you can draft Howard .. .or y’know ….Fournette.

      (ducks)

      • Sahr Gborie

        what is it with you and Fournette…lol

        i figure we can still get a talented defensive player @6
        plus they have to at least throw in their lower 3rd round pick
        and add their 6th round pick which we can packaged with our 7th to move up into the 4th or 5th round

  • King of DBB

    Biggsy sayz:

    Is secondary still the greatest position of need for the draft? — @rayllis18 from Twitter

    After quarterback? Mike Glennon’s contract makes it clear the Bears are not real committed to him beyond 2017. Let me be very clear that I am not doubting Glennon right now and suggesting he won’t pan out for the Bears. But it’s a projection by the organization and I don’t see how the Bears can put all of their eggs in one basket with Glennon. If he doesn’t perform well and the Bears do not have a young quarterback on the roster that shows real promise, I think there is a good chance a lot of offices at Halas Hall could be cleaned out. That’s just my take. The Bears need some cover when it comes to Glennon and I’m not talking about Mark Sanchez. I maintain quarterback remains their greatest need until you know and George McCaskey knows and everyone else knows the franchise’s long troubling question has been solved. The Bears waited too long to move on from Jay Cutler, a fact backed up by the reality that he remains a free agent, and they can’t do anything but make this position their No. 1 priority. After that, they need playmakers and with a couple quality candidates as No. 2 cornerbacks, they need a No. 1. Definitely a position of need. Do you know what I need? Pancakes. With extra syrup and a heap of goddamn butter. Not margarine either, real butter made from whole milk with salt added. That is the shit right there.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-mike-glennon-nfl-draft-bears-mailbag-20170412-story.html

    Sooooo… Biggsy thinks pick #3 is Trub then.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Btw, what is Biggsy’s ceiling? 400 pounds?? He must be already at 350 now..

      • BearDown100393

        About a Miller and change.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Well his floor is bust …

    • Sahr Gborie

      Biggsy needs to shut his mouth and know his role. No point in addressing a need with mediocre talent. Just because you need a car(QB) because your Camry(Glennon) is a rental does not mean to you get a hooptie(Watson/Trib/kaizer) especially if you can get a Benz(S.Darnold) in 2018?

      • King of DBB

        Why do you say such mean things about our Biggsy?

      • Irish Sweetness

        He can’t get the grease and carbs into his mouth when it’s shut ….

    • Ososfan

      Biggs always looking to take shots at Pace and Fox. Smh. Give Pace more than 3 Damn years to build this roster…..!!!

      • Sahr Gborie

        he deals in hate only. he is a sad and lonely turd

        • willbest

          creating emotion drives clicks, clicks drive employment checks.

          • Sahr Gborie

            i hear you. i just dont read his articles

      • CanadaBear

        It’s a shame because he used to be as good as anyone in town.

        • Ososfan

          True that CB, don’t know why he’s changed so much… Smh..

      • Does he? I don’t really see him as really taking shots at anyone for the most part.
        He started taking some shots at Cargo towards the end, but who didn’t?

        His 10 things after Bear games is typically full of insights.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I don’t know if anyone gets more than 3 years, or should. Ditka walked in and said it. 3 years. Walk with me. Tears in the rain.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Ditka’s situation when he took over in Chicago was a bit different. He joined a team that was not completely devoid of talent to start with.

          • leftcoast dave

            And he was “Dikka”.

        • Ososfan

          Yea but Ditka didn’t have to go through a FULL rebuild because of no talent, legit, no talent, I. The squad except for Long and that’s about it….

    • CanadaBear

      I’m not sure if they would take Trubisky or Watson? Trubisky looks more like a franchise QB but Watson seems to rise to the occasion and have that “it” factor. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them take a QB @ 3. Hopefully they won’t be in the top 5 in the draft next year.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Watson reminds me of Russell Wilson but needs more time and Trubisky has the potential to be like Rodgers but they both need more time to absorb the game

        • CanadaBear

          I saw MT in a bowl game this year. He reminded me of Cutler. He seemed like a real slow processor. Who knows?

    • Johnnywad

      Mmmmmmm. Butter.

    • leftcoast dave

      No, da Bears ARE committed to Glenny. Dem millions = commitment.

      So, Biggsy, you think its smart to hire somebody implicitly saying you believe in him, and then use your first round draft pick to find his replacement? That’s like pulling out the prenup agreement just after popping the question.

      No, you show him you are committed to building the team, perhaps getting him a monster OT, even if it after filling some holes on the D to keep the score in range.

      • all dem millions are gone after this year though.

        Just like Cutler’s contract was really 3 years, not 7, this is a 1 year deal with 2 team options.

        • leftcoast dave

          To be sure, but will drafting someone in the first round motivate him? Motivate him to throw the pass he shouldn’t maybe? Taking an OT in the first would protect him?

          Just sayin’.

          How do you want him playin’?

          • I want him sitting his ass on the bench and watching a rookie play. Because the odds of a highly drafted rookie being a long-term solution are better than for Glennon.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Still, you just don’t give away millions.. not for even just 1 year. Pace didn’t offer those millions to Brian Hoyer or Fitzpatrick or McCown.

          Pace and Fox talked to pretty much everybody that has worked with Glennon including his coaches at NC State who believe is Matt Ryan type ceiling.

          More upside than Cutler. Pace and Fox clearly bought into this theory.

          • It’s easy to give away millions when it’s not your $

            The issues aren’t mutually exclusive.

            Pace may indeed believe in Glennon (at least more than in Hoyer)

            AND

            This is still essentially a 1yr contract.

            Pace covered his bases.

            This is the going rate for a flyer on a franchise QB.

            A much better deal for the Bears than the Texans with Oz last season.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s a perfect setup for Watson or Trubisky. We have : a starter, we have a backup vet for when the starter goes down, we have two mentors for a young draftee. There is no longterm commitment to Glennon.

          • leftcoast dave

            Yea, tell Glenny to watch over his shoulder every play his replacement you picked in the first round. “Glenny, now don’t force any throws, but then, don’t be tooooo careful!!!”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Of the 3 QBs you mentioned, two are done, and one isn’t really a quarterback.
            Glennon for 15M a year and you can get out of it after one? That’s fairly cheap.

          • leftcoast dave

            Yea, right. So tell him on the first date you think he’s a cheap whore.

        • Sahr Gborie

          so lets draft the back up for the next 10 years this year and sell the farm for S.Darnold nxt year

    • Irish Sweetness

      A QB draft is totally on the cards. Mark Sanchez will always be Mark Sanchez. He’s a guy. Glennon is only being talked about now because the Bears gave him 18M or whatever. That’s all they gave him – he can be cut next season, no biggie. He’s 5-13 as a starter, which is abysmal. He’s clearly a bridge buy and that’s built into his contract .. .thing is … a bridge to whom?

      Bet your ass Pace is looking at these QBs really hard, and if he pulls the trigger it’s no surprise.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Paul Kuharsky‏Verified account @PaulKuharskyNFL 1h1 hour ago
    .@Gregcosell on @Midday180: Trubisky is locked front-leg thrower. Mechanical issues. Can you fix way he’s been throwing his whole life?

    • King of DBB

      this is the silly season where all kinds of mud is thrown in the water by shills on the take for this team or that team or playing both sides

      caveat emptor

    • BearDown100393

      Yes it can be fixed. Just wear a garter belt under the uniform and breath through the eyelids when throwing the football.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I call kaka. We’ve seen him throw on the run. He’s okay.

  • Sahr Gborie

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/4/5/15192054/2017-nfl-mock-draft-jamal-adams-tennessee-titans-safety-brian-dawkins-profile-scouting-report-pick

    Looks like we are staying put at #3 unless the Jets open up the flood gates

    Hooker is more of a playmaker than Adams will ever be, as he has shown
    incredible range and ability to go take the ball from a WR, but he is a
    liability in the run game, often taking poor angles, going low or for an
    arm tackle resulting in missed tackles.

    Jamal Adams played in every single game in his three years at LSU save
    for one, his very first game, which was against a top 15 Wisconsin team.

    Adams was the first player in the history of Les Miles coaching tenure (12 years) to be named a captain as a true freshman.

    Jamal Adams is not an athletic freak, he checks all the boxes for size
    and speed, but he isn’t going to wow you with speed like some of the
    other prospects. He does however play fast, he has tremendous football
    intelligence and reaction speed during the game, he is very good at
    diagnosing the play as it is developing and getting to the point of
    attack. He doesn’t wait for the play to develop, he puts himself in
    position to stop it from developing in the first place.

    • My whole pitch for Hooker – who do you want back there when the pass rush breaks down and Vadgers is scrambling to his left about to launch a pin-point tomohawk?

      Hooker. That’s who.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus
      • SC Dave

        If it’s pinpoint it does not matter. At that point, I only want Peanut. To punch it loose after the reception.

      • MB30SD

        Hip Labrum surgery a month and a half ago. No combine. No pro day. One year (as espectacular as is was). Ed Reed had it done (member that late surgery?) as did harvin.

        There is no way in hell pace hitches his horse to a huge injury risk again (after the white fiasco). That goes for Lattimore too.

        I simply cannot see him going near those two.

        If Adams is there and he passes to take hooker or lattimore, he’s MUCH more of a risk taker than I would be willing to be man. Without white, sure… with him, hells no!

        • Go big or go home!

          White was medically cleared. Only has played in like 2 games.
          Floyd is a concussion away from going into the Rocky V protocol.

          I understand hedging your bets, but I just assume a S is going to get hurt in the NFL anyways.

          Also, Hooker played through it and still was a badass.

          #VadgerKiller

          • MB30SD

            sure, and some GM will take a flyer and hopefully be rewarded (for hooker’s sake)… but not our GM, not this year, not after striking out with white.

            He can’t afford two of those maings. He simply… cain’t. Move along now, nothing to see here.

          • leftcoast dave

            Soloman Thomas or trade down.

            Safety play for Pace ain’t no safety!

          • MB30SD

            come on maing!

            btw, had lunch at the azul place in town… with the swing chairs. my kids loved that shit. cool spot. In all the years, I’ve always driven by and looked, never gone in. Food was meh.

          • leftcoast dave

            Azul? Blue Coyote? Food is good, the wild coyote is killer! They use the definitive recipe for making a maggie. It’s one-third Cuervo Gold, one-third Orange Curacao, one-third fresh squeezed lime juice, cartoned for five days. Take it topless, rocks, add lime wedges and they kick butt. Want to waste money, use a more expensive takillya and grand mariner. Same thing.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t drink in front of my kids, but thanks.

            Kobe was fun as always.

          • leftcoast dave

            Hey, that’s all good. But that’s what makes the Coyote the Coyote. Food is good, price not bad, good atmosphere. Kobe is being in a cave, but can be fun. Hope you all enjoyed the clime and didn’t let the sun fry your butts.
            As an aside, my brother of the same mother came down with his kids and we did Sea World this time of year. It was overcast and I told him, lather up with the sunscreen, dude. He and his wife ignored that, saying, hey, it’s no problem. Later that night, they were all lobstered out, fried like Sunday chicken.
            Don’t be messin’ with the sun at a lower latitude.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahahahaha… Yup.

            You should see Africa. There’s a reason they call it Africa hot

          • Irish Sweetness

            Let’s put his fly in the ointment.

            Who do you want blitzing Vadgers? A skinny hooker … or Obi Wan Kenobi?

            Hint: The Last Jedi trailer drops today.

          • And then, what? Vadgers hits Jordy Nelson in one-on-one coverage for a TD cuz we have JAGs in the secondary.

            Has Fangio ever blitz a S in chicago – evah?

          • Irish Sweetness

            HQJ, sure. CB blitzes, sure. But less than anyone in the league, which is why I don’t like him.

          • leftcoast dave

            Wait a minute. When your DBs are being put in the toaster already, you want to blitz one? Only if you have one or more LB’s able to drop back into coverage. The best in that department was who last year? Kwiz? Yep. Floyd? Perhaps. Experience to do it? Maybe this year.

          • And that’s not gonna change, Irish.

            Fangio is who he is.

            He’ll blitz SOME ILB, SOME CB, here and there, but it’s not his thang.

            Drafting a “blitzing” SS in this D is like Lovie drafting Revis. Skills will go to waste.

          • Sahr Gborie

            because he was medically cleared – that’s why the white fiascos should be a warning to Pace. you did not know about his injury and it made you look foolish. now you know about the Adams injury ahead of time and you want to draft him any way because of his potential. hell no.

            this is why i have been pushing for OJ Howard. no injury. best at his position 2 yrs in a row. red zone threat. great blocker (our tackles suck).

            i get the appeal of Adams. its very tempting. if white had never happened i would be 100% for him instead of 85%. but if he comes to the bears i will root for him 100%

      • Irish Sweetness

        SIX-FOUR!! SIX-FOUR!!

        • leftcoast dave

          6’6″, 6’6″ wingspan!!!!! More speed! Already on the roster. Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall, Hall!!!!!!!!!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Will they plug Hall in on Day One? IF so, Adams is a no-brainer. But … you’ve just paid Quintin Demps …

          • leftcoast dave

            Yup. Paid him to be on the field and train up the kids. Began as a FS, now a SS. Dude knows the game. We got yutes he can help. Not to say there won’t be competition, but I don’t see the first (or even second?) round pick being spent there. Just my humble opinion.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Demps becomes a well paid backup

    • Irish Sweetness

      Did we sort out the Barb mystery while I was getting my beauty sleep?

      Are you a small argumentative Romanian … or a grown-ass black man from Jersey who has no idea what we’re talking about?

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    interesting. St Louis is suing the NFL and Owners over the loss of the Rams.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/12/st-louis-sues-nfl-over-rams-relocation/

    Any of you law types want to weigh in on the merits of the lawsuit?

    • willbest

      Reads like there will be enough to survive the motion to dismiss. detrimental reliance. Tortuous interference. Something should stick.

      Problem is even the Federal Government doesn’t have the resources of the NFL. There will probably be a few million that changes hands with lawyers being the real winners.

      • beninnorcal

        Sounds like a good system at work, Will. lol

        • MB30SD

          THE system

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Quite a verdict on qb class. The team that has Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley as qb is not willing to bet on any of these guys at #2.

    Hope Pace does not hitch his horse to Watson or Trubisky at #3. And it looks like trade down is unlikely if every team wants to move down. That means there are no can’t miss players worthy of #2, #3.

    What a year to have picks #2 or #3.

    —-

    49ers “Open For Business” At No. 2 Overall

    http://nfltraderumors.co/49ers-open-business-no-2-overall/

    • BerwynBomber

      Potentially a small gut kick for the annual collection of original DBB thinkers known as the Trade Down crowd.

      • leftcoast dave

        Clearly, most in the top five will listen to offers. If someone pays up for the 2 pick, it will not likely be for Soloman Thomas who would be great for da Bears. That means what? They are horney for Fournette? Trub? Foster?

        Then who else wants to step up, or not? Bottom line, da Bears are looking at BPA for them and whoever moves into the 2 spot is looking for somebody else than da Bears want. Gives us a “one up” and “who’s next” ability. Thomas instead of Allen? Sure.

        • BerwynBomber

          Don’t disagree. Just couldn’t resist some snark.

          Short of an Andrew Luck no-brainer staring a team in the face, virtually every fan base in the league wants their team to trade down. The professed desire gets redundant quick this time of year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jebus – Kap is a free agent!! How the hell did we not sign him?

      DeShaun Watson, that’s why.

  • Sactowns#1

    YES!!! LINEMEN!!! ALL I WANT IS LINEMEN!!

    • Ososfan

      Yes!!!!

    • SC Dave

      I would be okay with that. Sort of.

      • leftcoast dave

        BMF linemen!

  • MB30SD

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/12/nfl-mock-draft-round-1-picks-projections

    Burke, you’re a tool. No fucking way Pace goes with the chronic hammy guy. He’s been burned by white, now he won’t go near an injury risk (this includes hooker – see below)

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Continue to think the smartest play is OJ Howard. Immediate help to your tackles, QB, RB. He will have a key role next only to QB on all 3 downs of offense.

      This is the best value for Bears in draft where #2 pick is bailing out 2 weeks before the draft.

      • King of DBB

        Adams has no major injuries, played in all his games and was a captain as a Freshman.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          True. But Howard can have more impact than even Adams. You paid Glennon 15 mil for this year. Maximize that investment by giving him a big target.

          If only Adams was a clear centerfielder type safety. He is more of a box guy.

          • MB30SD

            no he’s not. That’s propaganda squeezed out onto this board by butch.

            Watch this highlight tape and tell me where the first 4 INTs are made on the field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktuijMDwsh8

          • I don’t think Adam’s is an in-box S. That’s that Obiewhatever dude.

            Adams is just not a ballhawk.

            T.J. Ward

          • MB30SD

            stop. this. now.

            smhay.

            Dude, I would still be all over hooker if he still *had* hips to swivel. Yikes!

          • I was the one who kept saying that Adams is good when you were riding the Hooker and Peppers high early in the process (and I’m the one who kept gently reminding that hybrid S with no ball skills don’t go top 10)

            I still believe Adams and Hooker are about equal in talent (just diff strengths), but the NFL is now a passing league, and our division has the BEST passer in the entire NFL.

            Now we have a chance to draft the best cover S since Ed Reed?

            It’s a no-brainer for me. I’ll take the inj risk. Fuck it.

            I’ve concluded that INJs are luck of the draw

            (unless it’s chronic injuries like hammies or concussions).

            In some ways what matters more are players being able to play through the injuries, and Hooker proved he can still ball at a high level even whilst inj.

            Others like Fuller just fold their tent and call it a day.

          • MB30SD

            you might… but there’s no way in hell pace’s career can dude.

            I get your logic and if hooker can come back and be ok, I’m with you… but pace can’t do that again, he’ll be fucking run out of town on a rail.

          • MB30SD

            think of pace as peter griffin, and hooker as the chicken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WGQmWcrbs

          • It’ll be interesting to see which way Pace goes, but after digging through some material, Adams actually fits the Fangio mold more than Hooker.

            Fangio likes big, strong, aggressive safeties with decent wheels who ideally can switch FS/SS.

            Demps and Adams would give Fangio that.

            But Fangio aint drafting, Pace is, and he was in NO when they got Vacarro who was more of a pure FS

            Who knows which way he goes?

            From what I’ve gathered, Pace seems to follow the SF Fangio bluprint on D, and the Saints blueprint on O (for instance, building the Oline from the inside out. Preferring heady rhythm QBs over gun slingers. Explosive WRs, etc).

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            And what if Fangio leaves next year? He wanted to go back to San Fran this year but was denied.

          • That would depend on the next DC.

            Pace for his part tries to draft players that are flexible, can play multiple positions if necessary. That’s part of the Fangio philo who likes disguising pre-snap. So we wouldn’t be as fucked (unless we transfer back to a 4-3 cover 2), but there would def be some dead weight in a new system.

            I would say we’d prolly go through what the 9ers are going through now. They’re converting from a 3-4 to 4-3 and dudes like Armstead are gonna play diff positions, but it wouldn’t be a total makeover.

            Where it hurts is in secondary. Zone CBs are totally different than man CBs, but of course, maybe the next DC keeps most of the structure in tact (which in itself is not a good idea, see Bubba Gump).

            Just one more drawback to constant overhaul (browns north)

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Bubba Gump failed because that D was stacked with long time Lovie players that were getting old and did not have Urlacher anymore. If Marinelli had stuck around or if they would have given Lach a contract, it would have probably been a different story. We lost our leadership. That shouldn’t be the case if Fangio leaves next year. As long as we don’t change scheme to a 4-3 we will be fine.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Fangio cant leave. Make him Assisant Head Coach

          • Irish Sweetness

            Then hopefully we get a DC who believes in aggressive smashmouth defense. A Bear. Maybe Samurai or Frazier.

          • MB30SD

            samurai is cray cray and fraizer was useless, but I get where you’re coming from.

          • SC Dave

            Horrible choices. No thanks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            As DCs they’d be fine. HC is a hard job, but as DCs they were part of the best defense ever – they’re Bears, and they know what it takes. Pressure.

            Fangio is a stubborn idiot. We have the lowest blitz percentage in the entire NFL. That’s an extreme, and it’s the wrong extreme. Think about it. Fangio CHOOSES not to pressure the opposing team. That’s total and utter bollocks, in what us ultimately a violent game. He CHOOSES to let the opposing team do as they please. Philosophically, I think he’s completely wrong.

          • Sahr Gborie

            how can we pressure the other team when it would leave out backfield exposed

            plus we lack the players to blitz. if he had taken Vic Beasley in 15 and now floyd in 16 that would have been a whole different ball game

          • CanadaBear

            More often than not when he did blitz, they never got there. If your personnel isn’t good at something why would you keep putting them in that position?

          • Sahr Gborie

            jim schwartz

          • Sahr Gborie

            heady rhythm QBs – no in this draft or on our roster
            gun slingers – pat mahomes
            Explosive WRs – not on our roster. maybe in this draft

          • Irish Sweetness

            Regardless of Adam’s potential, it would be kind of weird to draft a SS with Demps and Amos on the roster already. I mean, who’s our FS? We don’t have one.

            If Pace reckons Adams can play that role, then okay. But Hooker is more the kind of guy we actually need.

          • Sahr Gborie

            would you really be ok with picking Hooker if he is out of the league in 3 years due to injury?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll leave the medical stuff to Pace. I dunno.

            I’m feeling Watson now. We need to roll the dice. Might as well do it on the QB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The best way to deal with Vadgers isn’t having top DBs though. He can work around them. He needs to be flat on his back, or running for his life.

          • leftcoast dave

            Yup. D line first, baby! That is, unless you trade down and get more picks. Then all options are on the table with the ability to likely get five in the first three rounds instead of three like we have now, seven to eight in the first four rounds instead of five. That is what a trade down will produce, even at a discount.

          • Agree. But is Allen or Thomas a better pass rusher than Hooker is a FS?

            Hooker’s closing speed is fucking nuts. Dude is just baiting QBs so HE can catch the ball and take it for 6.

            Trust me. A ballhawk like that makes QBs think twice before unleashing.

            Prime-Time closed down half the field. Young, Aikman, didn’t matter. No one was throwing to his side.

            I see that potential in Hooker.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Shea McClellin

          • leftcoast dave

            We’ve got the center fielder. Just watch him emerge.

          • BerwynBomber

            Who?

          • leftcoast dave

            The kid with the 6’6″ wingspan drafted as a CB who got injured badly early in the season. Hall. He’ll surprise.

          • BerwynBomber

            Are they moving him to S?

          • Irish Sweetness

            yup.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I have high hopes for that kid. A move to safety is very interesting, and if he works out, means we can draft Adams.

          • SC Dave

            We let a big target walk, so it would appear Pace is not interested.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            That big target was hurt all the time for the last 2 years. Plus his heart was not in Chicago once his mentor Marshall got traded away.

            The league was not crazy about him either. He had to settle for low, prove it deal.

          • leftcoast dave

            Floyd might just replace AJ once his price comes down and he is ready for a prove it contract. He’d be awesome if he got his shit together.

          • Sahr Gborie

            pace is more likely to negotiate with Floyd. he drafted him

          • Sahr Gborie

            that ass chose a prove it deal over 35 mil guaranteed and incentive’s to make much more. don’t want him. don’t need him. softer than the bear on bounty toil tissue

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cam is 6’3. AJ was 6’3. No biggie. Sims is 6’4 and 270.

          • Sahr Gborie

            what they produced on the field was not the same

        • MB30SD

          bingo.

        • Sahr Gborie

          cant find any reports of injury but he did miss 1 game as a freshman.

      • MB30SD

        agree to disagree. Agree he’s an absolute day 1 stud… just not enough of the position of need thing there in his equation.

        Adams is ranked hiegher as a football player by erra single outlet I’ve seen (by 5-6 spots) has zero injury/character/athletic/smarts concerns… AND is a 10+ year position of need.

        I just can’t see how pace can turn that down if he’s still there at our pick.

        I would understand and be excited about a howard pick… I would then immediately wonder… fuck, what about 2 safety posts we have to fill.

        And NO irish, the 6’4″ kid is nothing like adams.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Four year starter though, that’s rare.

          • leftcoast dave

            Yea, but we’ got a 6’2″ kid (might have acted stoopid) with the wingspan of 6’6″ and 6’2″ speed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m interested to see how a press corner adapts to FS in the NFL. Will his move to FS influence the first pick?

            The closer we get, the more I’m feeling Pace might be ready to pull the trigger on Trubisky/Watson. He knows they’re not ready, but the structure is in place to mentor them.

          • MB30SD

            and supposedly a total and utter stud leader. smart, athletic freak, big hitter, faster than a lot of corners, can cover and ballhawk INTs in the back 1/3rd.

            Damn man… not sure there’s another pick for us.

            AND HIS MAAAMS SAYS SHE’S SURE HE’S GOING @ # 3 BABY… HIS MAAAMS!!

          • SC Dave

            Wasn’t he elected a team captain as a freshman, or was that someone else I read about?

            Edit: Ooops… should have read ahead first.

          • MB30SD

            Jeeeees

          • Irish Sweetness

            I meant Obi was a 4 year starter .. was Adams too?

          • MB30SD

            At Connecticut dooood.

            Adams was team fucking Captain as a freshman yo. Legit!!

            And he played for fucking DBU… LSU is big-time g$

          • leftcoast dave

            Still a D back in a mans world.

            Second round stuff.

          • MB30SD

            Yes

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah okay, I don’t understand all the conference stuff. Still, if you start anywhere for four years you probably learned from the experience.

          • MB30SD

            Sure, but like anything, environmental factors are huge.

            The did betweens UConn and LSU is large.

            They call LSU dbu… As in defensive back University. Google all the NFL dbs to come outta that place

      • leftcoast dave

        Already got that dude in Simms. Needs just ain’t there. OT, perhaps, but BPA remains DL. Needs remains DB, LB, DL, OT, likely in that order.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And he has the Panthers taking Howard with Olsen already on board.

      • MB30SD

        the queen needs to be replaced at some point… and howard doesn’t fall down when a 185lb CB breaths on him.

        • SC Dave

          You never have watched the guy play, have you?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s prolly thinking of the Chicago years, Dave. 0.7 YAC. the numbers don’t lie. 0.7.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahahahaha, I knew I’d get you Dave.

            He’s a very good WR

          • Bmarsh had more YAC.

            MOFO fought for every inch like he was starving.

            Shame he was a basket case. (Then again, maybe that’s why he plays like he’s on fire)

            I remember the first catch I made in a game. It took 3 guys to tackle me down I was hopped up on so much adrenaline.

            I was grappling with two guys (a S and LB I think)

            Then, I heard a crack and felt a bat go across my back.

            Down goes Frazier.

            Had a purple bruise all across my back for like 2 weeks.

            To do that on a weekly basis is fucking Samurai.

  • MB30SD
  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I just read something very interesting. The Raiders are the only NFL team not to have a player arrested in the last 3 years. Not sure if it is true but I would not have guessed that.

    • MB30SD

      little shocking

    • Sad.
      Every nitch of society including sports should have an outlaw element.

      Al Davis Raiders. Everyone is fast. Everyone has a record.

  • MB30SD

    just home from a vaca with the kids. Crushed. On my couch, relishing the peace,but missing them….

    need a good movie for the next couple hrs. hit me boys!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Last movie I watched was ’13 hours’

      • leftcoast dave

        Moon Walkers. (new) Mars Attacks! Being There. My Cousin Vinney.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Is Moon Walkers good? Looks far out.

          • leftcoast dave

            Great. My kid pulled it up and it is great and good humor.

          • leftcoast dave

            My kid has access to all the newest stuff from another computer geek who has it on a drive he can access. Great stuff. I’ve seen more movies here in the living room with him with me fixing dinner than I’ve ever seen in my life. Again, he picks, I watch, fun stuff.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah, was ok

      • MB30SD

        You’re useless to me

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          you are welcome.

    • The Raid.

      Little Singaporean fists of fury.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I actually searched for the second one.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Aftermath (arnie) wasn’t bad – his acting has really come on, he was great in Maggie. Kind of bleak. Involves losing a child, so …. no.

      The Discovery, Robert Redford’s character discovers that there is ‘life after death’, and everyone starts topping themselves .. .so ….. I guess not.

      Logan was okay.

      Going back a ways, have you seen “I, origin”. Good flick.

      I’d pull up This Is Us. Great TV show. Great structure. Great writing. Just great. Life-affirming stuff.

      The Americans is back on. Great show.

      OH! Peaky Blinders! Did you see that? Great show. And Tom Hardy was great in it.

      • MB30SD

        Thanks yo

    • Irish Sweetness

      Must be hard being away from the kids even for a day. I know it is.

      • MB30SD

        Yes. Weird though, the break helps me be a better dad

        • Irish Sweetness

          Breaks I don’t get, and don’t really need. They’ll be grown up soon enough and I’ll probably miss that.

          Then it’s boy trouble.

          • MB30SD

            Divorce maings. If I was still with her I wouldn’t be ‘allowed’ to be the dad I am. I’ve accepted it and learned to harness it

          • leftcoast dave

            Parental alienation ought to be a hangin’ offense. Women have made it into an art form. F’s up the kids, but that’s how they fight. In divorces or divorces waiting to happen, dudes often dive to the dumpster while women f up the kids.

            Really sad.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Does the woman get alimony no matter what the situation is?

          • Scharfinator

            Until she remarries. Alimony strikes me as one of the truly fucked up things in our legal system.

            Alimony should only be paid as long as the marriage lasted, not until the recipient remarries.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There are very few reasons to get married in America. It sounds brutal.

            Tax breaks are nothing compared to handing a woman The Big Ticket by putting a ring on her finger.

            Which reminds me. I need to get married in the next few weeks. For the tax breaks.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Alimony should not be paid at all. Get a job support yourself. Child Support should be the only thing required.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And if she was earning more than the guy? And what if she was cheating?

          • Scharfinator

            It goes both ways, don’t it?

          • MB30SD

            Yep. Women are viscous man… Just viscous.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s cool. Do you guys talk, or you just pick the kids up?

          • MB30SD

            She was horrible for the first 3 years, now we’re good. She’s still a lost cause (for me), and I’m really glad I ended it, I was utterly miserable with her looking back. So much happier now… As are the kids.

          • CanadaBear

            Glad she figured it out and stopped being such a ball buster. I’m sure she is happier now. That has to bode well for the kids.

          • MB30SD

            Totally canada. Taxed my ass for 70k just to let me be a great dad to our kids for 30% of the time. Fucking brutal. Crushed my soul.

            She got over it, she didn’t like that I wouldn’t be her fucking punching bag and bailed. It’s all good now and the kids are doing awesome now that they see us being friends. Kinda sad, on the way home from our trip yesterday my little man said he wished mommy and me would live together again.

            I was like HEEEELLLLLLS NOOOOO! (in my head). hahaha

  • Irish Sweetness

    [On Allen] “He’s considered by most to be a better prospect than either of the top defensive linemen the last two years, Leonard Williams and DeForest Buckner.”

    Is he considered to be 6’5 (like Williams) or 6’7 (like Bruckner)? How does the analysis not stretch to the fact that he’s a tweener at 6’3, and that great defensive ends are all 6’5 or over?

    Your prototypical DE is 6’7. Every inch you go down from that, the further away from greatness you get … until it disappears completely at 6’3. No amount of skill is going to fool a grizzled NFL tackle. He’s just too small to play end in a 3-4. You want to play him standing up as an OLB … that’s different.

    Now post the Solomon Thomas piece so we can say exactly the same thing about him. SF aren’t even interested in talking to Thomas.

    There’s a real possibility that Cleveland take a QB at 1 – they can’t possibly wait til #12 and hope their guy is there. The rumor is Trubisky. The Niners take Garrett in that case … leaving us with …. an obvious draft pick, methinks. All of this nonsense about QBs dropping this year is just that. It’s the most highly crucial and highly sought-after position in all of sports.

    Deshaun Watson is a winner by all accounts. What’s his W-L record? 35-3? Something like that?
    His passer ratings in college were 188, 156 and 151. He averaged 67% completions in each season. 90 TDs-32 INTs. That’s incredible. And that’s against teams like ‘Bama, right?

    What’s crucial to our team moving forward? Another SS to add to the two we already have? Or a Quarterback that doesn’t suck?

    Jamal Adams is not the answer to this organization’s woes. We have been beguiled and bedazzled by ‘experts’ who cannot find employment in the NFL, and so are destined to generate click-bait content in a click-click industry as they color their hair and wear stupid wigs.

    Glennon is 5-13 as a starter. People can airbrush that all they want. Nobody ever gave a shit about Mike Glennon before we paid him his retirement fund and set him up in a car dealership in Florida in about two years. Now we’re almost fooling ourselves into thinking “Well, y’know .. this Glennon guy .. .maybe those numbers are just .. y’know .. maybe he could …” . Stop it. Get off your fucking knees and squeegee your third eye.

    Mark Sanchez has thrown as many interceptions as TDs and to date has posted a 73 career rating or whatever. They were put in place as big brothers for the future of the Chicago Bears.

    With the third pick of the 2017 NFL draft …. the Chicago Bears select …… DeShaun Watson … Clemson.

    BOOM.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      not worried about height of DE. You claim that all great DE are over 6’5, but there have been great 3-4 DEs shorter. The question is can they play? Are they quick enough to get the job done? Yes it would be great to find that ‘Prototypical’ lineman but it is not everything. Heck Dwight Freeney played 3-4 DE and he was only 6’1.

      Disclaimer: I have not watched any tape on any of the D-linemen. So I don’t know if Allen is any good or not. All i know is he is ranked high.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ll give you Freeney, fair enough. He’s an anomaly, no doubt, but length is definitely a pointer to success when discussing DEs. And a lot of those shorter pass-rushers are really OLBs anyway.

        I’m sure Allen and Thomas will find their niche in a 4-3 or as a 3-4 OLB.

        Point being, we don’t pick at #3 very often, and I’m not sure why Watson is scaring people off with his numbers. He’s clearly the most winning accomplished QB in this draft, and although it would be nice to have Adams on our team … we have the chance to pull the trigger on the best player at the most important position. Pace knows that. Likely he put 3 QBs in place because he has no way of knowing what happens in the two picks before him. I think he’ll jump at Watson (if the rumors about the BRowns being interested in Trubisky are true). After all, it is the Factory of Sadness. It would make perfect sense for them to draft the wrong one. It’s what they do.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dude, you’re on the blog at six in the morning?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          it is 7AM here.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Get some breakfast.

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