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Gronk Comp is Crazy, but Expect Shaheen To Be Productive

| June 28th, 2017

If you’re expecting Adam Shaheen to be Rob Gronkowski you’re going to be disappointed. But the 2017 second round pick should be able to produce for the Bears as a rookie.

No player has drawn more rave reviews than Shaheen simply because his combination of size and athleticism have been so incredibly difficult for the Bears defenders to match up with. That is an advantage he’s going to maintain throughout the early part of his NFL career.

The reports from beat writers and others is that Shaheen has been borderline dominant and hasn’t dropped a single pass. His teammates have also gone on record as being impressed by the second rounder from Ashland.

Shaheen enters the league with the nickname “Baby Gronk”. That’s not really an accurate comparison — Gronk is significantly faster —  but that label and early camp play have some fans going crazy with their expectations for him. I don’t expect him to be Gronk, but history suggests he has a good chance at being productive early with bigger things on the horizon.

Of the 15 tight ends who have been taken in the first two rounds since 2010, seven have managed at least 30 catches as rookies.  Just last year, Hunter Henry made a big impact on the Chargers with 36 catches and eight touchdowns. The ceiling for those players, of course, is Gronk himself, who caught 42 passes for 526 yards and 10 touchdowns.

That ceiling may not be considered particularly high, but the floor isn’t really low. Out of those 15 players only three caught fewer than 25 passes as a rookie. Troy Niklaus is considered strictly a blocking tight end, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins has had issues off the field and Gavin Escobar has struggled from the same ailment Martellus Bennett suffered early in his career.

Early in camp, Shaheen has been working with the ones and the twos behind Dion Sims. Sims will remain the team’s top tight end, but I expect Shaheen to get plenty of work in two-tight end sets. With Jordan Howard’s emergence and the Bears’ inexperience at quarterback and wide receiver, I expect the Bears to be more physical this year, including the usage of bigger packages.

Shaheen will make the Bears better in the red zone simply because they’ll be able to trot two capable tight ends onto the field, something that simply wasn’t the case last year as the team ranked 23rd in red zone percentage. Howard averaged 6.2 yards per carry in two tight end sets last year, but only had 76 attempts largely because one of the tight ends was Logan Paulsen, who brought absolutely nothing to the table. The Bears didn’t have a single tight end who was multidimensional last year, now they might have two.

Shaheen needs to improve his blocking. He simply wasn’t good enough in that area at Ashland, but he has the size, length and strength to be a very good blocker in the NFL. What should help him is the Bears highly-regarded tight ends coach Frank Smith has an offensive line background. He should be able to teach Shaheen good technique and the rest should take care of itself.

The second rounder will have to earn his spot on the roster, which should help him early in his career. Zach Miller is one of the team’s biggest mysteries. He’s probably their best tight end, but he ended last season on IR and there’s a good chance he’ll end this year there too. He’s a good player and a great locker room influence, but the guy’s body just won’t allow him to play NFL football. My guess is the Bears will try to trade Miller once he’s healthy enough to pass a physical. After that, the roster has some interesting young pieces, but Shaheen’s physical ability will likely be too much to keep him off the field.

Shaheen will never be Gronk, who many regard as the best tight end in the history of the league. But, that’s OK. He has the potential to be one of the better tight ends in the league and both recent history and early reports indicate he’s going to help the Bears right away.

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  • BearDown100393

    This is good stuff. Keep the bar reasonable. Too bad it is not applied for all rookies. There is no reason not to have a bit of faith that these picks can be productive. He doesn’t need to “Baby Gronk” (seriously that is f*cked up anyway). The starting point should be playing at the level that got you drafted in the first place. Work hard. Learn the NFL game. And improve step by step.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Did Gronk redefine the position like Ditka? Serious question. I’m not suggesting Mike is the GOAT, jus’ sayin’.

    If Gronk was in Cleveland, for example ….

    • King of DBB

      Ditka was the first blocking TE that could run and catch. Killer at the seams of any zones played at the time.

      Kellen Winslow refined the pass catching upper bounds of what a TE could do.

      Dave Casper showed that you could simply overpower the coverage linebacker in space if you were big enough.

      Tony Gonazlez leaned more pass catching than run blocking but is considered the best combination of both of all time.

      Gronk continued the Dave Casper finding: you could simply be so big and fast enough that it was effectively impossible for any safety to isolate you and OLBs were just not big or strong enough to outmuscle you and outjump you in the endzone. But Gronk is a physical freak and his boundary pushing body is not lasting over time due to the punishment inflicted. Opposing teams found the key to slowing Gronk down was to hit him – hard – all along the game. Have a DE slide out and bust him up pass blocking so he couldn’t release – and if he did release, hit him HARD when bringing him down.

    • I still believe Ditka was the best TE ever, and that’s not me being a homer.

      Gronk had 42 recs, 500 yds, 10TDs his rookie yr?
      Ditka had 56, 1076yds, 12 TDs his rook yr (and avg 19yds/rec which seems insane).

      Needless to say, Ditka won ROY. And those stats are even more impressive given that it was 60 yrs ago.

      Gronk is also too inj to really be considered GOAT.

      I’d prolly prefer Tony G in his prime over a season, career.

      If I had to go with playoff, it’d be Gronk.

      • CanadaBear

        That was in a 14 game season. The NFL switched from 12 games to 14 games that year.

      • SC Dave

        Gonzalez is #2 all-time in receptions, #5 in yards, and tied for #6 in TD catches.

        Gronkowski is NOTHING compared to him. The only impressive stat of Gronkowski’s is TD catches, and he *does* have Tom Brady.

        In fact, I would call Gronkowski one of the more overrated players in the league.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I think you need to go watch some Gronk highlights, not overrated. Too big for CBs, too fast for LBs. You can’t arm tackle him. He carries defenders for yards. Then add in great hands and great body control. IF Gronk can stay healthy he could easily come close to Gonzalez’s numbers. Gonzalez played for 17 healthy years. But that is the key I don’t think Gronk will stay healthy.

          • Gronk is also a superior blocker. One of the few TEs who can pancake defenders.

            But, like everyone knows, too damn inj prone.

            Over the long hall, Ditka, and Tony G.

            Winslow and a few others were before my era, so can’t really say about them.

            Gates deserves some love too.

        • CanadaBear

          Did you miss the last Bears/Pats game in 2014? Gronk had 9 rec for 149 yds and 3 TD’s. BB pulled him early. Gronk could have broken the TD’s in a game record if BB left him in.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Tom is a big factor. Gronk averages 15 yards per catch and 10 TDs per season, so he’s productive. He sure does get talked about a lot for that though, and maybe rightly so – compared to who else? TEs seem to go in and out of fashion, but Gronk is pretty consistent when he’s healthy.

  • Frank Schoenburg

    Love Shaheen and agree Gronk comps are crazy. However Witten is very realistic IMO.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Pacquiao throwing shade at Conor McGregor.

    I won’t be watching you this weekend, Manny. Don’t give a fuck. I won’t even watch that shit on YT, not when I’m at my most bored. But the whole world will be watching when Conor finally takes over the world.

    He loves hearing “can’t” – it’s what drives him, and the rest of the world hasn’t seen that yet. The news will all say the same thing the next day: “…. shocked the world ….” but only the haters and naysayers will be shocked. And if he loses? (shrugs)

    Two horse race. One is a larger man who specialises in knocking people the fuck out, the other, a skilled defensive boxer with little chance of landing KO power on a bigger man who’s expecting it, and who’s ring rusty and 40 years old to boot.

    7-1.

    • BearDown100393

      “Don’t give a fuck.”

      My sentiments exactly.

    • CanadaBear

      After Mayweather keeps CM at bay for 12 rds and wins the fight on a unanimous decision in one of the more boring fights of the year, this will end up as nothing more than a payday for both of them.

      • Let’s face, the ONLY reason anyone watches Mayweather fights is to finally see him get KOd, but he hasn’t yet.

        I told a co-worker. “If it’s the 12th round and that 1minute bell goes off, if I were Connor, I’d just round house kick his ass. What’s gonna happen? Connor gets banned from boxing? Who cares. Everyone would love it.”

        • CanadaBear

          Might be something in the contract about him going rogue. Who knows? Just because I’m convinced how the fight is going to go doesn’t mean I’m pulling for Mayweather. Like everyone else, I’d love to see him get his lights dimmed.

          • haha. Hey, was there a “don’t bite my ear off” clause when Tyson fought Holyfield? lol

            Damn lawyers. Ruin everything.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t think he’d kick him in the head to lose 100M.

          Nah, he’s built a boxing gym right beside the Straight Blast gym in Dublin. He’s bringing in known boxers as sparring partners, I don’t think this is all a ruse.

          If anyone pulls out of this it will be Floyd. The rumblings have already begun and he’s switched camps.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I guarantee you it won’t be more boring than this Pacquiao fight …

        • CanadaBear

          That’s very little comfort.

  • King of DBB

    I heard it will cost money to get into Bourbonnais this year

    • CanadaBear

      I think it’s still free but you have to apply for tix.

      • willbest

        Seems like a security thing to me. Want some leads in case something gets blowed up.

        • CanadaBear

          At least some accountability in case something goes sideways. Never been there so I have no idea if this will help or not.

          • willbest

            When I was on their campus for something back in high school, you could just walk all over their sports fields without any impediment. Perhaps they have added fencing or something else. And I presume they do something to keep the fans from running onto the field and disrupting practice.

          • Any idiot who runs unto the field to disrupt practice should get tackled by Hicks.

          • CanadaBear
    • BearDown100393
      • King of DBB

        He did nazi that coming.

  • Corporal Clott

    Well… you know the Bears are killing it when everyone seems to be ranting and raving about our 2nd round TE. It sounds like an exciting year of football is just around the corner. Uh huh….Can’t wait.

    • CanadaBear

      Somehow I get the impression you aren’t as excited as you say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Corporal Clott

        We’re gonna shock the nation with the Shaheen formation! Hee hee

        • SC Dave

          No, that’s *thrill* the nation.

          • Corporal Clott

            Lol. Whateverz…

    • BearDown100393

      19-0

      • Corporal Clott

        20-0. If 22 Bears start in the probowl and win, that’s gotta technically be counted as a Bears post season win. Yes?

        • BearDown100393

          Absolutely

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Biggsy thinks Zach Miller is a goner…Makes sense to give Daniel Brown as many snaps as possible if he is in the Bears long-term plans.

    Brad Biggs‏Verified account @BradBiggs Jun 26

    Camp battle: In overhaul of tight end position, Daniel Brown could push Zach Miller for a spot on #Bears roster.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bears-daniel-brown-biggs-spt-0626-20170625-column.html

    • BerwynBomber

      Brown played very admirably last year. He caught virtually everything thrown his way.

      • He seems to find the open zones and has soft hands.

        A nice safety blanket. Nothing spectacular, but reliable.

    • I agree. Even though it seems odd to trade away our best TE (as of now, not based on conjecture), if we’re thinking of the future, Brown or even Braukner should be in the mix.

      This is where a GM and HC may differ though. I’m certain Fox wants to win NOW, while Pace must keep an eye to the future.

      If we could get at least a 5th for Miller, he’s likely traded.

      • CanadaBear

        The only way I see the Bears getting anything for Miller is right before the trade deadline if he’s healthy and balling out.

  • King of DBB

    Top 10 Bears Tight Ends of all time

    1. Ditka
    2. Moorehead
    3. Desmond Clark
    4. Greg Olsen
    5. Martellus Bennett
    6. Ryan Wetnight
    7. Greg Latta
    8. James Robocop Thornton
    9. Keith Jennings
    10. Zach Miller

    • willbest

      That Zach Miller’s half season of greatness gets him on this list is rather sad commentary.

    • evantonio

      what about Cap Boso? he had a face full of grass!

      • King of DBB

        I went by years played and overall receiving yards and TDs scored. With guys like Desmond Clark, even though he spent most of his career as a Bronco in the short time he was a Bear he was already #4 on the all time receiving yards for a Bear. Not a huge hurdle to cross, but even so he was pretty productive as just a Bear, and then he gains a spot over Olsen because overall he was a more productive TE than Olsen has been.

        • Corporal Clott

          I always thought Desmond Clark was a good player.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Dez is underrated.

          • Johnnywad

            Super reliable. And he always seemed to be making first downs. Lunch pail guy.

    • BerwynBomber

      Uni at #2 hands down. He was a PBer who was also an above average blocker. Productive as hell and a complete load.

    • Top 10 Bears QBs of all time.

      1. Ditka
      2. Mini Ditka
      3. Hurricane named Ditka
      4. Everyone else.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Where is Fendi Onobun and Brandon Manumaleuna?

  • King of DBB

    Elway looks a little portly in this pic

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDWY9ldUwAAl3V0.jpg

    • CanadaBear

      I think it’s the tie.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Shaheen is going to be a stud. I just hope the coaching staff doesn’t keep him on the bench like they have been doing with BRAVERMAN.

    • leftcoastdave

      Agree 100%. He was not drafted for his ability to block immediately at this level, he was drafted because of his basketball hands and feet which make him a great target to be reckoned with and the QB’s best friend. He’s built up his body and has the tools for the blocking and just needs to be coached up with the technique.

      The schedule may be a killer, but the entire division faces the same schedule.

      Da Bears win the division.

      • Frank Schoenburg

        Love it!

    • Heard Braverman is teaching Shaheen how to block but I can’t report it.

      • Johnnywad

        “First, you gotta get a step stool and two friends………”

  • King of DBB

    Is this hate speech?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDX83DbXkAERw2J.jpg

    I don’t think it’s hate speech. It exists to piss off the LGBT community, but there is no way it should be banned.

    • willbest

      There is no such thing as hate speech.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I HATE YOU!.

        seems pretty hateful to me.

        • willbest

          sure, assuming a hyper-literal definition of the phrase.

        • Corporal Clott

          If my wife ever tells me she hates me, can I get her arrested for that?

        • BearDown100393

          Tag line to every Mariotti column

      • Corporal Clott

        What about a hateful mind? Aaah…now there’s a thought.

        • willbest

          If you can get people to speak a lie, they will get invested in it, and then convince themselves.

    • SC Dave

      Why would that be banned? And by whom?

      • willbest

        Because it upsets people, and for some reason there seems to be a push to create some sort of right to not be offended for 40% of the country.

    • Corporal Clott

      The whole point of stories like this is to get people to think about what they say before they say it. It’s a sneaky but fair tactic.

      • willbest

        Or maybe GP is telling us what he really feels, and is cloaking it as a commentary on free speech.

        • Corporal Clott

          That would be the kind of judging that the good word warns us to be careful with.

    • That illustration is wrong from the start.

      There’s actually FIVE sexes (physiologically speaking).

      Male, Female, Hermaphrodites, Mermaphrodites, Fermaphrodites

      http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/12/opinion/how-many-sexes-are-there.html?pagewanted=all

      So it seems that “Gender” should have at least 5 categories as well since it’s merely a social construct supposedly based on biology.

      I do have an odd herm story though (It’s me, of course I do!)

      Me and my friend were chilling in a small jaccuzi in a hollywood apt complex.

      When suddenly, this chick in a swim suit pops in. We’re like, alright.

      She was cute. Not smoking hot, but cute. So my friend instantly starts talking to her.

      Then whilst chatting, she casually lets us know she’s a hermaphodite.

      My bud, being more barbaric than me, reacts, “Naaah. No way you’re a hermaphrodite. You mean you got balls? Show us”

      “She” didn’t really react either way. I was half expecting her to laugh or slap him. But she just insisted it was true.

      Keep in mind this was a rather small Jacuzzi, and we were about a 6 pack in.

      So, he turns to me and says, “Ok. I’m going back to the room” and I’m just there, feeling awkward as fuck.

      I gotta say, I’m no bigot or anything, but her telling us that did kinda weird me out. It just caught both of us by surprise, and the setting was more intimate than say a bus stop or whatever.

      To this day, I don’t know if she was just fucking with us or not. Maybe she wanted to reject my bud’s advances, but still chill in the Jacuzzi, which would be a genius way of rejecting his moves.

      Or maybe she was a Herm.

      I stayed a lil bit so as not to be a total jerk, but left like 5 mins later.

      • willbest

        Gender Identity according to wiki is a self-identity not an immutable characteristic the way sex or skin pigmentation are. At the absolute best then it would be on par with nationality or religious affiliation in terms of something that people are and can change but for which we do not expect them to because they are such deeply held core beliefs.

        So if you believe in mocking religions, then you believe in mocking gender identity.

        • Any sort of identity is rather relative. Even “race” is not exactly immutable since we’re all mutts. I mean, is Tiger “black”, “Korean”?

          Then you add in religon, gender, nationality, etc and it can get quite confusing.

          Even in the gay community there’s “tops” “bottoms” (MB!), Bitch/Butch, so it can get rather labyrinthine.

          I don’t really care what anyone identifies with but I guess we have to make some distinctions because of laws.

      • King of DBB

        I heard Julia Stiles was a herm. She got married though. To a man.

        Every time there is a scene where Jason Bourne is carrying her on the back of a cycle, all I can think of is “she got balls or what?”

  • willbest

    “I think Men in Tights is better than Spaceballs. I think Spaceballs is horrible.” – Jeff

    Spaceballs horrible? I watched it recently, and it didn’t age particularly well but horrible seems a bit over the top. Actually, a lot of Mel Brook’s stuff didn’t age particularly well for me. By contrast, I still find the John Hughes comedies enjoyable. Saw Trains, Planes, and Automobiles within the last couple years and it was still great.

    • Corporal Clott

      History of the World Part 1?

      • AlbertInTucson

        “I bring you the 15… (crash, shatter)..10, TEN Commandments.’

        “It’s good to be King…..PULL!”

        • Bender McLugh

          “The sheek is up!”

          “…and gone!”

        • leftcoastdave

          Less is more.

    • The question is, did Jeff ALWAYS think Spaceballs was horrible, or only now?

      I admit, I found that movie funny AF when I was younger, but not as funny now. But yeah, it’s not Deuce Bigalo awful.

      “I knew it. I’m surrounded by assholes!”

      • willbest

        No he admitted it was fun as a kid but sucks as an adult in a later tweet when somebody challenged him on it.

      • evantonio

        Deuce 2 was awful.

        Deuce 1 is worth the cable watch when the batteries in your remote are dead.

    • BearDown100393

      Both are turrible.

  • Bender McLugh

    “I think Spaceballs is horrible.”

    “And you look like a bucket of shit!”

  • willbest

    Cook county’s beverage tax goes into effect Saturday. I actually support taxing sugar the same way alcohol and tobacco are taxed from a pragmatic standpoint. Basically, if I am going to pay for other people’s healthcare, then making unhealthy things more expensive is a good way to go. Ideally with funneling that extra money you collect from them into treating them later.

    Having said that, this tax only makes sense as a poor person tax since it doesn’t tax sugar specifically. It taxes premade, non-milk, non-fruit juice, non-coffee drinks that aren’t 100% water. Basically, if a human puts the sugar in your drink in front of you, there is no tax. We will call that the Starbucks exception. And thus brings us to today’s comparison.

    A Venti (20oz) Caramel Macchiatto has 42 grams of sugar in it (according to Starbucks), which is right around how many grams of sugar your medium coke from McD’s (21oz) is going to have once you calculated in the ice, yet the latter is going to cost you an extra 20 cents.

    Now to throw in some healthy stereotyping. Who buys flavored sugar milk and who buys big gulps?

    • BearDown100393

      The Fridge resents your last sentence.

  • King of DBB

    Wilson will dive for a overthrown ball by McCown and promptly break his neck

    http://nfltraderumors.co/jets-sign-wr-marquess-wilson/

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    1. Young Frankenstein
    2. Blazing Saddles
    3. High Anxiety
    4. The Producers
    5. History of the World

    I move THE PRODUCERS to #1 on that list.

    • CanadaBear

      Zero Mostel annoys the shit out of me so The Producers was my least fave on that list. Still a funny movie. For me it’s all about Blazing Saddles followed by Young Frankenstein. I’ll still watch them if they are uncut and no commercials. History of the World is insanely funny in parts and dreadful in too many parts. High Anxiety definitely has its moments.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I don’t care for the way BLAZING SADDLES ends.

        But it DID give us Alex Karras punching out a horse.

        • CanadaBear

          The ending was lame, for sure. The movie made me laugh so hard when it came out. I saw it 3 times in the first week it appeared in our area.

        • CanadaBear

          My dad and I were watching it on a pay channel back in the day. He was trying not to laugh at all the cheap jokes but he finally completely lost it during the campfire scene. After that, he laughed really hard in all the right places.

    • leftcoastdave

      Give me the Chinks and the Niggers, but you can keep them damn Irish.

    • Sactowns#1

      History of the world and high anxiety need to switch places.

  • willbest

    My bad. Hating on your Pitcher counts as hate Speech in MLB.

    “That’s the reason they were running left and right today because they were slow to the plate. Simple as that. It’s a shame it’s my fault because I didn’t throw anyone out.” – Miguel Montero

    Took him about 8 hours from then to be fired.

    • CanadaBear

      If he was any good he would still be a Cub. His catching skills had evaporated to the point of being non-existent. He has always been a so-so hitter. Cry to the media once and you can survive (thanks to Maddon’s good nature) but a second time, C-Ya.

      • willbest

        Yeah I read it wasn’t just the 7 or 8 stolen bases last night. He has only thrown 1 person out all year. Its still kind of funny as a last straw.

        • evantonio

          1 for 32 on throwing out base stealers. that’s not good.

          thankfully there’s the internet to help us figure out how many of those were his fault:

          https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/6/28/15888130/miguel-montero-cubs-dfa-stolen-bases

          • Does Data write for the Cubs too?

            Simple solution. Pair him up only with fast ball pitchers!

          • CanadaBear

            Arreita probably is the hardest thrower among the starters. It just takes him forever to get the ball out of his hand. Not to mention, Montero has a rag arm and is slow to get rid of it. Bad combo for sure.

          • Ah. Forgot about the windup. Cubbies have the Bortles wind up

          • CanadaBear

            He takes his time from the stretch and rarely throws over to shorten leads. When he was lights out it wasn’t much of an issue. Now that he’s mortal and walking people left and right, it has become a problem. Getting a catcher that can get rid of the ball quickly with something on it should help.

  • Said it b4, but TE is hard for rooks. Personally, I don’t expect much from Shaheen this yr, esp since he’s likely splitting the reps with Dion.

    Let’s look at some TEs who came into the league with high hopes

    Ebron. 25 recs, 248yds, 1 TD
    Eifert. 29 recs, 445 yds, 2 TDs
    Zach Ertz, 36, 469, 4 TDs
    Maxx Williams 32, 268 1 TD

    And if you throw in Henry, Escobar, Jenkins’ stats, the rookie “production” does not exactly overwhelm.

    As a matter of fact, If Shaheens’ situation is similar to anyone, it’s to Maxx Williams.

    Williams was the 55th pick overall (Shaheen 45th) and had to share the field with Pitta and Gilmore.

    So realistically, that’s what we should expect from Shaheen who comes into the league even more raw than all those aforementioned TEs and is likely going to be 2nd/3rd string behind a run-oriented O.

    The key for Shaheen will come in his TDs. If he gets 5 or more, I consider that a win.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      If I remember Ebron was #9 pick, correct? He hasn’t lived up to his draft status. I also remember he had huge case of dropsies his first year.

      We don’t know much about Shaheen’s hands and how sure handed he is.

      Jordan Reed had 45 catches on 59 targets for 499 yards and 3 TDs in his rookie year in 2013.

      • Bender McLugh

        according to everything reported we do know about his hands, and apparently he’s incredible

        • leftcoastdave

          “Basketball Jones, I got a basketball Jones . . .
          got a basketball Jones o’ baby oo ah oo!”

          Dude got HANDS!

      • TE is a tough go overall.

        I distinctively remember wanting Eifert over Long in that draft.

        Well, Eifert has def flashed, but he’s been inj plagued.

        Reed is awesome…when he’s not concussed. He’s one concussion away from retirement.

        In fact, he should probably retire, but since he’s the focal point of that O, he won’t.

        It’s rare to have Tony G longevity at TE.

        Usually those receiving TEs have an easier time (like Olsen) since they’re essentially glorified WRs.

        But the physical specimens tend to get beat up.

        Smart Ds line up a LB or big ass S like Kam to whack em at the line before releasing them.

        Then, when they tackle the TE, it takes like 2 guys blowing them up. That’s rough no mater how big and strong a TE is (maybe Olsen was smart. If a stiff breeze sweeps, just tip over)

        • willbest

          As long as you fall forward

    • willbest

      What is your over/under on TD’s for Glennon. Because I think 20+ would be exceptionally optimistic, and you are giving a rookie 25% of that when you would expect Sims to be in when they are inside the 10. Personally, I think 3 TD’s for Shaheen is optimistic.

      • AlbertInTucson

        20 is a LOT for a Bear QB.

        • Johnnywad

          But this is our first one with downward trajectory.

          • willbest

            No he is 6’6″ tall, but his shoulder is only 4.5 feet off the ground.

        • BearDown100393

          Not really.

          We’re talking about ‘pics right?

      • No, I said IF Shaheen hits 5TDs, that would be a win for him cause it would mean he’s going to be a lethal redzone weapon going forward.

        I’m more on the conservative side with him.

        I’ll give him 3 TDs.

        Glennon OTOH, I’m a bit more bullish on him.

        I’ll say 27 TDs. Booyah.

        I said he’ll have a better yr than a typical Eli season, and I’ll stick to my guns (barring his neck coming off)

        • Irish Sweetness

          I will strip and do a Buffalo Bill junk-tuck on Youtube if Glennon passes for 27 TDs.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Someone please remember Irish said this.

          • Bender McLugh

            you heard it here first folks!

          • I’ll get the boom-box prepped.

            “Good bye horses…”

          • willbest

            screen captured.

          • CanadaBear

            MUAH!

      • Irish Sweetness

        We won a SB with 15 TD passes from Mac that season.

        Score more points than your opponent. Can we do that? Where’s the defense?

        • that was 30 years ago. The game has evolved to the point where 25 TDs is a meh total.

          • Cutler’s high was 28.

            And that yr he had Bmarsh, Alshon, Forte, Bennett in a heavy pass O mostly always trailing.

            Though naturally , those 28TDs also came with 18 INTs and 12 fumbles (6 lost)

          • CanadaBear

            Sigh.

          • Cutler never had great volume stats because he always missed games.

          • Awesome. Not only turnover prone but fragile. ESPN…

      • BearDown100393

        When I think of Giraffe, I lean toward over.

    • leftcoastdave

      Pace clearly built this team to pound out ball control and have TEs who can catch, even if only for short yardage. This O is built for the grind in the box and safe passes likely into one on one coverage. That said, I expect much more from him based solely on his being a big easy target with great basketball hands and feet. Loved seeing that tape of him driving off the right wing left handed and slamming down a monster dunk. Is the kid left handed? Either way, at his size (lighter then), he was quick and could get up.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I like it.

        But what’s the defense built for ? Wait, it’s not built ….

        • But are you blaming Pace for that, or Fangio (or both the selection of the food, and its cooking?)

          If Pace had stayed put in this past draft, we’d have Solomon Thomas and Buddha Baker.

          Pace could’ve drafted Beasly instead of White.

          He could’ve signed Norman at CB last season if he threw the bank at him.

          So, suddenly our D has Thomas, Baker, Norman, Beasly if Pace had gone D in the draft and signed ONE pricey CB.

          In addition to Hicks, McPhee, Young, Goldman, Floyd, Demps, Tre/Freeman

          Wouldn’t that have been more of a D Fangio could shape up?

          Edit. BTW, this alternate reality is why many Bear fans are down and out on Pace and the direction the Bears are heading esp since many of our brethren believe in the Monsters of the Midway tradition, and not the Saints Deux modern version.

          • SC Dave

            Last year was primarily defense… Fangio has his turn. This season, it was Loggains’ turn

          • Could be.

            Could be Pacebot crunches out the algorithms and truly goes BPA, balance be damned.

            That’s what it seems like to me. If not, I think he would’ve gone Beasley over White in his first draft.

            BPA is probably the best long term strategy, but of course that assumes a GM has more than 3-4 yrs to apply it, and without a QB, at best you end up like the Texans.

          • leftcoastdave

            Pace weighed what many were saying about da Bears needing a franchise QB and I think he concluded that this would be his last, best shot. Yep, I wanted to see a monster D built. But I also believed that Pace would be able to sell out of the 3 pick which it appears could not have happened as in prior draft years. But that was never what Pace planned which was to grab his franchise QB and add pieces to make him better, ie, what he believes is the best TE in the draft as well as a Joker back plus a potentially solid lineman. In FA he added depth everywhere in the D, including a modest addition in the LB corp, but two good adds to the D line and a ton back in the Db’s especially getting his D QB at safety to teach up the rooks he drafted or signed during the year.

            That was the plan. It was implemented. I believe it will prove to have been brilliant.

            We shall see.

    • Irish Sweetness

      As a second round fkn pick I’m expecting a LOT. Cost us a top safety.

      • Johnnywad

        Or a bust

      • CanadaBear

        Was that top safety in the pro bowl last year? Who knows if your guy will pan out?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        can the 4th or 5th safety taken in the draft really be considered a “top” safety?

      • What do you expect from the Machine?

        Ditka stats?

    • BearDown100393

      Just don’t be an embarrassment is the bar I’ve set here.

  • willbest

    This blows my mind.

    Baby has rare genetic disorder. NHS wants to pull the plug and let the baby die. Parents raise 2 million dollars privately to bring him to the US in order to try some experimental shit. NHS still decides to pull the plug. Court rules, NHS can pull the plug. Parents sue to the European court of human rights, court rules, NHS can pull the plug.

    How in the fucking hell do they expect medical research to advance if they won’t allow for these hail mary’s? They don’t even have to fucking pay for it. Truth is NHS doesn’t want the hail mary to succeed because in the best case the kid is an expense for the rest of his life. Better to pull the plug now and save that money for somebody else.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4644268/Charlie-Gard-s-parents-lose-final-appeal.html

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Sad case. Medical professions needs to come up with clear guidelines for options in case of end of life care / terminal illness / incurable conditions..also known as death panels (thanks to Sarah Palin).

      Insurance companies do this hundreds of time everyday in the US. Not for hail mary treatments but well-established treatment. There is inherent conflict that cannot be resolved. The sick and their loved ones want to do whatever it takes to get healthy /live and the insurance companies want to collect premiums and pay out as little as possible. Insurance companies win almost every time.

      • willbest

        I absolutely understand an insurance company not wanting to pay out on experimental trials. My father-in-law ran into that particular problem and it was going to be $230k to at best buy him a couple months. So end of life it was. But this couple raised the money they needed from a gofundme. It’s evil to not let them try it. NHS basically argued that it would be torturing the baby, only problem is the doctors in the US wouldn’t have permission from the various regulatory/ethical committees if that were the case.

        • leftcoastdave

          Yea, that’s it. Let the guvamint decide who can live and who can die. It is one thing to deny funding. Yet another to dictate death.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What hail mary? The kid is brain-damaged and is dying. The parents aren’t putting the child first, they’re putting their own need to cling on first. You can’t reverse brain damage, or the disease. They’re selfish (understandably, from their own perspective), putting their own feelings before the child’s quality of life – which is zero.

      • willbest

        So your theory is that solving the underlying mitochondrial disease won’t cause the body to stabilize, and that even if the body stabilized the brain damage is to extensive for it to repair itself granting meaningful enough recovery to feel more joy and love than pain?

        • Irish Sweetness

          No, that’s what you just said, transferring it to me. What I said is what I typed out above. Brain cells don’t get “repaired” or replaced. Ever.

          • Johnnywad

            Yet

          • willbest

            So you believe in aliens, but not all the science associated with neurogenesis and
            neuroplasticity?

            Your logic doesn’t even pass the smell test since the baby in question is 10 months old and still has quite a bit of neuron growth in its future that scientists know about.

    • BearDown100393

      In order to save his life, we first must let him die.
      – 2017 American Affordable Healthcare Act

  • AlbertInTucson

    Apparently, Phil Jackson forgot how to be a a genius.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      hard to be a genius when you don’t have the greatest player in the league on your team.

      • leftcoastdave

        And he had Kobe, too.

        • AlbertInTucson

          And Shaq.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Ya think?

    • SC Dave

      Most great coaches are associated with great players. There is a symbiosis, I believe.

    • BearDown100393

      Phil Jackson does not even remember his home address.

  • CanadaBear
  • King of DBB

    Calling out press broads for “bloody face lifts” is fucking hilarious.

    Yeah, it *is* a circus but occasionally there are some laughs.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340018-trump-attacks-morning-joe-in-tweetstorm

    • CanadaBear

      Keeping it classy since the ’70’s.

      • King of DBB

        He makes this video in his late 30s – not sure where it is – somewhere on Youtube – and he talks about how he had so much pussy at Studio 54 it was crazy. He’s like “every night I was bedding some beautiful broad and I’m like, how lucky am I? Every night!” It’s a riot.

        But this is still my fav:

        https://youtu.be/yosAVMB47-Y?t=179

        • CanadaBear

          I remember that. I’m sure he did bed a bunch of them. If you can’t get laid being famous, super rich and cocaine everywhere, there’s no hope.

          • willbest

            I always found it a bit ironic that the guy that controls a large chunk of people’s social interactions is clearly inept when it comes to scoring women.

            http://www.celebritytonic.com/wp-content/gallery/mark-zuckerberg-wife/mark-zuckerberg-wife-on-the-road.jpg

          • CanadaBear

            Indeed! It’s that prize-winning personality!

          • You’re assuming Zukerberg is not pissing on high-end russian models on the side.

            I do not assume that.

          • willbest

            I would like to be wrong about the guy. I want to believe that the richest men in the world are really neck deep in California dimes 24/7 like the Emperors and Pharaohs of old. But in his case, I can’t.

            He has pledged to give HIS entire fortune to the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. Making your wife the lead partner on your fortune… Guy is a cuck.

          • BearDown100393

            Other way around.

    • Corporal Clott

      Great perpective to stay grounded GP. I take it a step further, it’s all fake.

      • King of DBB

        Nero fiddled while Rome burned?

        • According to some historians, Nero was the one who BURNED Rome so he could have a clean slate to build monuments to himself.

          Naturally, he blamed the Christians.

          Trac circa 64 AD, “Don’t believe the fake tablets, fellow Romans. It wasn’t the Christians, it was Nero. False flag! False Flag! Also, there’s a discount on slaves at the main market. Buy two visigoths, get a Brittain free! “

          • Corporal Clott

            I have no dog in the fight my man. It is what it is.

          • I just like fucking with you.

            And for the record, I totally believe Nero did burn down Rome to rebuild it in his own image.

            Amazingly enough, that might not even crack the top 5 of crazy shit he did, which included using humans as torches to light his dinner table as he ate.

          • BearDown100393

            Coincidentally, Nero also framed his faux Times cover page.

          • Corporal Clott

            So they say…

        • Corporal Clott

          Jess, Rome is a very accurate comparison.

          • willbest

            People don’t like to admit that America is an empire.

          • Corporal Clott

            You mean the United States don’t you?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Or that its standing armies and privatized currency scam are failing that empire.

          • BearDown100393

            Palpatine’s grand vision.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Maybe not Gronk, but what about Graham of Saints fame?

    Having high hopes for the Bears this season.

    • King of DBB
    • CanadaBear

      I’m not there but I like your optimism.

    • Bender McLugh

      I’m hoping he’s like Gates. That’d be a win

      • willbest

        Just a HoF TE, no bigs.

        A win, is Marty that doesn’t take plays off, and doesn’t come with all the color.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    This from Rupert Murdoch’s conservative rag..the same Rupert who runs Faux News – the only TV news source trusted by Teabaggers. Orange Chimpanzee is now going to bitch and moan about WSJ too.
    —-
    WSJ: Reports from Intel agencies describe Russian hackers discussing how to obtain emails from Clinton’s server, transmit them to Flynn.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-operative-sought-clinton-emails-from-hackers-implied-a-connection-to-flynn-1498770851?mod=e2tw

    • SC Dave

      Yawn. Get back to football.

    • BearDown100393

      Mitch Trubisky promises to never take a snap for Putin.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 31m31 minutes ago

    #NotesFromUnderOrangeChimpanzee, Day 160: Wherein evidence of something like collusion–or at least attempted collusion–becomes public.

    WSJ broke the story and they had this story for the last two month but decided to go with it only in last 5-6 days. That means Faux News got heads up. That explains Faux News bullshit machine changing their tune in the last few days from “Russia is hoax and fake news” to “Collusion with russia is not a crime.”

    Brit Hume ” “Can anybody identify the crime? Collusion, while it would be obviously alarming and highly inappropriate for the Trump campaign, is not a crime.”

    College dropout Hannity: “Is it a crime?”

    Drunk doofus Greg Jarrett”: “You can collude all you want with a foreign government in an election. There is no such statute. It is not a crime”

    Meanwhile Bobby Three Sticks (Mueller) is squeezing Michael Flynn’s balls hard. Orange Chimpanzee is worried Flynn might start singing the harder Mueller squeezes his balls. This whole thing is just getting started.

    • This is why Hannity is trying his hardest to sell his audience that Mueller is tainted and should not be allowed to investigate (like I said the Reps would eventually turn on Mueller for actually doing his job with integrity. Oh, the irony).

      But no one except a few nutjobs are buying it, thankfully.

      A rep controlled house and senate might not find any “crimes,” per se, and refuse to impeach him barring damning evidence.

      But that will cost them both the house and senate in the future, and either way, Trump comes out tainted.

      In other words, this whole fiasco hurts the Reps on all levels, and is crippling their agenda when this period should’ve been the honeymoon period when they could’ve got a lot of shit done. If I were a Rep, that alone would piss me off to no end, never mind letting “crooked” Hillary slide, or hiring as many Wall street cronies as Bush and their lackeys.

      • King of DBB

        800 people marched on the state capital and virulently protested Trumpcare and the gutting of Medicare.

        Was this Illinois? Or libtard Vermont or something?

        Mississippi. Red as red gets.

        And the GOP started to splinter as candidates looked out for their own re-election skins.

        • It’s gonna be interesting to see what happens with Trumpcare

          The fact that they’re doing it behind closed doors, even barring other Reps, ought to tell us something.

          And they’re trying to crank it out before the 4rth of July when they /everyone goes on holiday.

          Kinda like how they snuck through the federal reserve act.

          Funny that.

          • SC Dave

            Oh god Butch really? You so virtually always do better.

            “But we have to pass the bill so you can figure out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”
            – Nancy Pelosi

        • SC Dave

          Wow, a whole 800 people? Who gives a fuck?

    • leftcoastdave

      And Barry O did what to BB Netanyahu? Paid to interfere with Israeli elections!

      Shoe, foot, shinola . . .

      Btw, funny Dems are so unhappy to hear what Chill really thought and said. Might have cost an election, but saved a country.

      Oh, and speaking of obstruction of justice, that one is coming up big with the AG and BWS doing their little tango. Was that after the meeting on the tarmac or before?

  • willbest
    • SC Dave

      Fucking cyclists. Why can’t the best one just win?

      The worst sport on the planet. Sorry Canada, but it is.

      Edit: Well, except for drone racing maybe.

      • CanadaBear

        If the big 4 sports in the US had the same type of doping controls as cycling, this would be same as it ever was. All sports have athletes that cheat. If there’s money to be made or fame to be won, people will cheat for it. Do you think all these athletes in the big 4 sports are naturally built like Greek gods or pack on 50-75 lbs by eating ice cream cones? Uh, no. Not to mention this is one person in the sport that may or may not have done this “doping”.

        • willbest

          Without researching the issue my gut has always been that cycling is just more vigilient about catching cheaters. And partly that is because the big 4 really don’t want to. They know what they are asking of the players is unreasonable, but they want to ensure the integrity of the game because otherwise the fans will get upset. So they design their regulations with windows of opportunity that can be exploited.

          • CanadaBear

            Bingo. Cycling discovered EPO around 1990 and it exploded. They didn’t have a test for it so they set up an arbitrarily high hematocrit level (50). If you went over that, they assumed you were doping. Almost the entire peloton was running around 49.5. When I give blood my level is around 41-42. Just like with steroids in baseball, the competition was fabulous and the racing was insanely fast (or in MLB, homers constantly). The fans loved it. They finally developed a test for EPO so now people micro-dose and try to get around it that way. The part of the story that makes me laugh the most is the hypocrisy of it all. The Tour of California is sponsored by the drug maker Amgen. Amgen developed EPO. You can’t make this stuff up!

    • BearDown100393

      Invented by Bill Romanowski.

  • Well, as the lawyers predicted, the Foreskins keep their name

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/29/redskins-win-trademark-fight-over-name-as-justice-department-gives-up/

    So here’s the thing. I haven’t gone in depth, but this is what it seems like to me.

    There was an Asian-am group that called themselves the slants.

    They won the right to call themselves that, and thus it applied to the Forskins.

    But isn’t it totally different circumstances?

    It’s not as if it’s an af-am band calling themselves the Slants.

    Or a Jap-am band calling themselves “dirty chinks”

    Isn’t it kinda ok if a band made up of asian am call themselves that, culturally (not legallly) speaking?

    Isn’t it like af-am rappers using the N word, while white rappers can’t?

    Seems like it would be. And a band is more art than a multibillion dollar corporate team.

    I can see where the courts would be reluctant to monitor art/music, but a multibillion dollar industry?

    Can IBM rename themselves “the wetbacks”? Would that be legal?

    Maybe there simply was too much gray area and they sided on caution. But didn’t a justice infamously say ‘ I’ll know porn when I see it”?

    Hmmmm

    • King of DBB

      it is undermined by 8 out of 10 native americans saying they dont find the name offensive

      • See, that’s the weird part.

        Would you ever walk into an Indian reservation restaurant and tell the waiter, “Hey, Redskin, beer me”?

        I know I wouldn’t.

        • Corporal Clott

          I always thought it was much ado about nothing. I personally never met one Redskins fan that had anything other than football on their minds when it came to their logo. The whole thing was a money grab imo.

          • Would you enter a Native Am reservation and call someone a redskin?

          • Johnnywad

            Would you enter a bar in Chicago and call someone a Bear?

            Who gives a fuck. It’s a football team. Nobody cares. Not even the people with the closest thing to the right to be offended.

            It’s like this, one of my guys is part Mexican. His friends tease him about it all the time. He doesn’t care. But an asshole walks up and calls him a racial slur, there’s gonna be a fight. I’ve seen it. It’s all about intent and source.

            There is no intent to be nasty or do harm in the team mascot. Hence, nobody gives a fuck.

          • CanadaBear

            I always thought it was bad but after reading about a couple of surveys among Native Born people and it seemed like they didn’t care. Oh well. Not like it makes any difference in my day.

          • SC Dave

            Except the SJWs and the umbragists.

          • It could be simply that the current connotation replaced the original connotation.

            So while once Redskin was seen as an insult to Nat Am, now it’s more interpreted or associated with the football team, esp in a football context, which isn’t insulting.

            This would be akin to renaming the Chargers the L.A. Wetbacks, then in a few hundred yrs, latinos are cool with it because it’s associated more with football in 2217

          • leftcoastdave

            I live on a rez. Many Native Americans wear Redskins hats. To be viewed as warriors is a source of pride in many.

            PC is totalitarian thought control. Think like me or you are evil..

          • King of DBB

            You live on an Indian Reservation?

            Which one?

          • BearDown100393

            More like inside a casino.

          • leftcoastdave

            Agua Caliente.

          • BearDown100393

            I’ll keep that in mind as I’m being wanded, retina scanned and thumb printed prior to boarding the plane.

          • SC Dave

            If there is a point here, I don’t get it.

          • As opposed to the all-embracing christian right “believe like me or go to hell?

            Or the other right? “Think like me or you’re a dirty commy/facist”

            If the left is so totalitarian, why is it more inclusive?

            Why are the young, gay, black, brown, buddhist, atheist, etc overwhelming left while the right looks like an Aryan nation rally?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8urkDqSoc54

          • willbest

            If you don’t believe in hell there isn’t really a penalty to their way of thinking is there?

            What do you care if somebody else thinks you are going to a fictitious place after you die?

          • Corporal Clott

            Don’t you mean the “Roman Right”? Isn’t calling someone an asshole pretty much the same thing as telling someone they’re behaving badly? It’s probaby where the term “”hell hole” came from.

            Or when you tell someone to piss off, aren’t you trying to cast them into another dimension? What’s the diff?

            Hmm..hmm…hmm…

          • leftcoastdave

            Ask Milo, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell or Dr. Carson.

          • BerwynBomber

            What a dumb analogy. And to say that “nobody gives a fuck” is equally dim.

          • Johnnywad

            It was meant to be tongue in cheek Bomber.

            As far as “nobody gives a fuck”, I’d say the poll bears that out. Wouldn’t you? Guess it doesn’t matter. Since “Not enough people gave a fuck”, they dropped it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Whether or not the intent was there is irrelevant, no? They could have used the word ‘Braves’ … Washington Warriors, whatever.

            Would an expansion franchise called the New York Niggers be cool?

            You can’t call somebody a N- .. and you can’t call somebody a redskin. Inherited racism is not some cool tradition.

          • Johnnywad

            Intent and source absolutely matters. I don’t know how you can think otherwise.

            Ever been around a young group of African Americans? They call each other the N word constantly. Why, I don’t know. I never would use the word, but imagine if I strolled up to the group and used it.

            And clearly the large majority of the Native American population is not offended. Getting 80% of a population to agree that any given issue is not offensive is prettt striking.

          • BerwynBomber

            Exactly. Or the NY Hymies.

            Why a bunch of privileged white and/or insensitive group of people are intent on keeping the Redskins name is beyond me. Really? A fucking sports nickname means that much to you? What are you? 12?

            Moreover, some colleges have already erased names like this and as far as I know it did not cause the end of the world.

            Lastly, this singular study that supporters love to reference (while I’m guessing having never seen the study themselves). Even if true, do we not think that of any race or ethnicity living in America today that the Native American is the one probably most suffering from Stockholm syndrome? Also, if the majority “does not care”, why would we not want to listen to the minority that does when it costs us nothing to make the change?

          • BearDown100393

            Remember that particular fan base is grossly obese and elects to wear plastic snouts.

          • Johnnywad

            They could change it. Or not change it. At the end of the day, it won’t amount to anything. We will be collectively dragged to the next “offensive” thing/issue/logo that needs changing to make sure everybody is comfortable. It really doesn’t mean a damn thing. Either way, the world will keep spinning. And we’ll just pool our misplaced angst on the next “problem”.

            The whole thing is stupid. It’s been the name since forever. And nobody is being harmed by it. Personally, I don’t give a shit. The whole thing is just tiresome. It amounts to a bunch of time and money that makes no difference in the day to day.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I’d buy that jersey…. and never wear it.

          • BearDown100393

            Over or under Ochocinco?

          • BearDown100393

            Mikhail Prokhorov had to settle with Nets.

          • CanadaBear

            Uh, no.

          • Corporal Clott

            Stop with the ridiculousness butch! See…this is what you bots don’t get, nobody walks onto a reservation and does that, that’s the point.

            I would however walk onto a reservation and weep at the injustice that befell their Nations and mourn with them over paradise lost. They are my blood brothers and I know their pain.

          • You wouldn’t do that because you know “redskin” is a derogatory term.

            So if it’s not ok to use that on a rez, why is it ok everywhere else?

            Hey, one of my close friends is a huge Foreskin fan. He wears that hat everywhere, and doesn’t think twice about calling them the Redskin.

            Do I think he hates Nat Am? No. In fact, he has Indian in him.

            But that doesn’t mean that the term was originally meant as an insult to an entire peoples which helped create the hate to wipe them out from sea to shining sea.

            My thing is, if they switched the names to like the Braves or Warriors like Irish suggested, my bud would still wear the gear and cheer for them on Suns.

            So, why not?

            If you’re purely a business man, think of the new $$ you’d get from re-branding.

          • Corporal Clott

            Child….Puleez. Are you the kind of person that thinks the whole world needs to be policed but yourself?

            Let me say this though Butch, if you and I ever sat down and shot the shit together, I would never use words or phrases that I knew would offend you because that’s the kind of guy I am.

          • This has nothing to do with “policing” though. .Policing is going into Iraq because of imaginary WMDs, or having Aircraft Carriers patrolling every sea.

            To me, this is just a simple name change.

            Like Canada pointed out, there was a team in Illi named the Chinks! I mean, c’mon.

            Can we agree that a simple name change to a FOOTBALL team (a suckass one at that) will not lead to 1984?

          • Corporal Clott

            But it’s not about a name change imo, that’s where we part in our understanding of the matter.

          • leftcoastdave

            No, you don’t get it. It is not up to you or the guvamint. Read the Bill of Rights to the Constitution (those would be the first ten amendments).

            As to WMDs, what in the hell do you think are being used in Syria? Ever seen the photos of the convoy taking them there? Duh? Or for that matter, what was found in Iraq which remained?

            No, head back into the sand.

            Happily, we have finally regained control there after Barry O split and let ISIS form. (Little hissy over the SOFA agreement.)

          • willbest

            You don’t just change your name. A re-branding would easily be a $200 million endeavor.

          • But how much of that would be made up by fans who flock to novelty?

            My friend has owned that dirty ass skins cap for years.

            I can guarantee you if they do change their name and rebrand, he’d instantly buy a new one.

          • willbest

            Is Jordan reed sitting at the bar?

    • Corporal Clott

      The Redskins can win more than a few libel suits for lost revenue maybe?

    • SC Dave

      “Isn’t it like af-am rappers using the N word, while white rappers can’t?”

      Exactly like that, except you can *only be a racist if you’re White*.

      • I don’t see it as that, unless you’re extremely PC, which I’m sure you’re not.

        Another example. I know girls who call each bitches or even cunts, fucking around.

        But let’s see what happens if you call a woman a cunt, even just fucking around.

        Of course I’m sure NOW would object to it, but normal humans do it all the time IF they’re part of the group.

        The problem with Redskins is that it’s not a native am punk band trying to be avante garde, but part of a billion dollar corporate entity with merchandise shipped around the world.

        They seem like separate cases to me, but perhaps the courts didn’t want to go down that slippery slope, but that doesn’t mean that this specific case shouldn’t have been ruled the other way.

        • willbest

          What if other Asians found “the slants” to be offensive. Doesn’t seem right for them to get a pass because they are Asians too.

          • And I’m sure they wouldn’t get a pass from Asian organizations, much the same way other af americans call out rappers for using the N word, or NOW would call out women who refer to each other as pussies.

          • CanadaBear

            In Pekin Illinois a couple of decades ago, they had to change their name to the Dragons. Up until then they were the Pekin Chinks. People were really upset and did not want to change. You can’t make this stuff up!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            In the last decade i am pretty sure they made a lot of High School teams change their names, most of them had to change it from Indians.

          • I’m really not against a lot of the names.

            For instance, we were “Gladiators”. Which I guess is technically a slave dueling to the death for the entertainment of his captors.

            But that was like 2,000yrs ago, and most simply see them as bad asses.

            Same with Aztecs, Vikings, Conquistadors. Braves. They were mainly conquerors (albeit violent remorseless warriors).

            But “Redskin”?

            For me that doesn’t conjure up images of warriors going around raping and pillaging but of a ppl dehumanized and raped and pillaged.

            But, like I said, that’s just me. I understand that for others like my friend it merely conjures up images of beer pitchers and jalepeno poppers.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            woah Gladiators….intimidating. I should not talk my school was the Wooden Shoes.

          • leftcoastdave

            Not here on the rez.

          • willbest

            Were they really trying to be derogatory towards Chinese or was the rival high school the Knights, and they were making a chink in the armor reference?

          • CanadaBear

            Sure, that sounds likely.

          • willbest

            I have since googled it to see what was about. It seems the wife of the founder thought the town was on the opposite side of the world from Peking and wanted to roll with that.

          • CanadaBear

            I thought the Pekin/Peking connection didn’t need to be explained.

      • BearDown100393

        Bill Mahr got schooled.

    • willbest

      I don’t know if this is a surprise to you but, the Slants were selected precisely to avoid all your hypotheticals.

      • I figured as much. Seems like they were chosen specifically to lose to clear The forskins.

        • willbest

          All cases that advance to the SC are done to advance an objective.

          Its rather expensive to put together a case the SC is likely to select (they hear about 60-90 out of 6-9000). So public interest firms are constantly looking for ideal plaintiffs to push up the appellate process.

          As much grief as I give the 9th circuit, and its an awful circuit, they do serve a rather useful function of producing opinions so awful the SC is compelled to take them up to swat them down (9th circuit is overturned 80-85% of the time).

          The next area they are selected is when the justices get together and reduce those 8000 applications to 70 cases. They will have several cases addressing very similar issues, but the justices might feel that certain elements in the case lend themselves to better rulings. The Slants ruling was 8-0. So a unanimous decision (in fact the plurality of cases are unanimous). One of the cases you described might have been some 3-2-2-1 mess where 7 agree with the outcome, but can’t agree on the reason and 1 dissents completely.

          As such there will be some horse trading or jockeying for which case to bring before the court in the first place. Once you understand the process it sort of feels like gerrymandering where the politicians choose their voters.

      • BearDown100393

        The band is scheduled to perform every Washington home game half-time show this season. This is purely coincidental.

    • willbest

      Just on the porn thing, the “for the children” angle tends to be highly motivating to a bunch of grandpas and grandmas. It also helps that there is mountain of evidence that porn is bad for children backing up that common sense “gut” feeling.

      Oh and interesting thought on offensive. Adventures in Babysitting is available on netflix. Watch the first 10 minutes. “Thor is a homo” “Thor isn’t a homo” “He’s a homo” “no he isn’t”

      The problem with policing trademarks based on offensiveness is you don’t know what is going to be offensive tomorrow. Look at Pepe the Frog. A harmless little icon for over a decade, now sends people heading for safe spaces in current year.

      • That’s pretty much why I suspect they didn’t rule the other way.

        Too much trouble for them down the line.

        It may create a precedent for future cases which would turn them into censors or even art critics trying to rule on “intent”.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “Thor is a homo” was funny then, and it’s funny now.

        It used to be okay to poke fun at the statistically deviant, now it’s not. ‘Normal’ is what everyone else is, but you are not. Now you can ‘identify’ as anything you want. The world was already mad, but it’s getting madder.

      • evantonio

        fa**ot was a pretty popular slur in 80s kid movies, too.

      • BearDown100393

        Maybe Thor is.

        • willbest

          I thought they turned him into a girl in the comics. Or was that Loki. or both?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Redskins clearly refers to the color of skin. A ‘slant’ can mean something which is not flat, and is not an obvious reference to a group of people.

      • evantonio

        it can also refer to a pass route run by slot receivers. it can also be run by tight ends, or wideouts.

        i suppose a running back could run a slant as well, though they’d most likely have to motion out of the backfield and establish themselves on the line of scrimmage.

        but you knew all that.

      • BearDown100393

        Playing for Dan Snyder is worse than any team name.

        • willbest

          Who doesn’t like the idea that on any given Thursday the GM could be barred from entering the building

      • Yeah, a “slant” or a “bear” is not inherently derogatory. Could be in specific context, but not nearly as charged as “redskin”

        And some might counter, “Well, redskin was just meant originally to describe an indian”

        Well, “negro” was originally meant to described a black person, but the connotations were well understood, and as such, no non-racist uses it anymore.

        • willbest

          Redskin isn’t all that charged if Native Americans can’t even agree on it though. In fact, I suspect you will find more Asians agreeing that slants is offensive, than native Americans agreeing that redskin is offensive.

          • As my old philo prof used to say, ‘as the connotation increases, the denotation decreases’.

            Still doesn’t wash away its original intent, at least in my book.

            For instance, I have black friends who I can prolly get away using the N word with fooling around, but personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable using it.

            That’s just me though.

          • willbest

            Ah but for the original intent you have to go back to 1933. Why should the Redskins change their name now when the push to get rid of their name is being down by a bunch of White journalists and busybodies to drum up controversy and collect a scalp?

            See words don’t have to be bad. In fact, the word redskin wasn’t always a pejorative, its spent some time as being neutral and became one, and then faded out of use. In effect, it was a dead word at the time the Redskins selected it.

            And this account of the history of the Boston Braves/Redskins seems about right to me.

            http://www.footballperspective.com/the-origin-of-the-name-redskins/

            The amusing quote from a 1933 Globe article for those that don’t want to click through

            “When the “baseball Braves” hiked the rent for 1933, George Preston Marshall moved his club to Fenway Park and was faced with a dilemma. He didn’t want to give his former landlord the satisfaction of retaining their nickname, but his team’s uniforms were imprinted with Indian insignia.

            Marshall solved the problem with a practicality and shrewdness that would become his trademark. He dubbed his team the “Redskins,” a name he kept when he moved his roadshow from Boston to Washington four years later.”

            And odds are great nobody thought that it was derogatory back then. Its all well and good to think of people in the 1930s as a bunch of racist bigots and probably didn’t know better, but they weren’t using Chinks and Spics (or whatever the 30’s equivalent would be) as mascots back then. That would seem to indicate an extra level of contempt for American Indians that didn’t exist for other ethnic minorities if you believed they knew it was derogatory at the time. Or would it?

            The American Indians fought the Brits and Americans for centuries despite being a thousand years behind technologically. They were taking decisive wins all the way up into the late 19th century. There are a fair few Americans that falsely claim that grandpa was 1/4 Cherokee. Half the states names are derived from Indian tribes or Indian words. Thousands of cities, rivers, counties, etc.

            There is an adversarial respect present in American culture towards American Indians that doesn’t extend to blacks or jews or chinese. This is why team mascots end up with Indian names, and not those of other ethnic groups. Its rather fascinating if you think about it. We have Spartans, Trojans, Knights, but not a lot of Samurai. We use our mascots as homage.

    • beninnorcal

      As I predicted too, about 3 years ago. And I was called a racist for it, by Barb the Impaler.

      • BearDown100393

        Well we all know the long historic track record of tolerance for Romania.

    • leftcoastdave

      Thus the reason for free speech. “I know it when I see it” is subjective, not objective.

      Say anything and I might be subjectively hurt.

      Speech codes are arbitrary and capricious and employed by totalitarians to silence dissent.

      Just look at the left on college campuses.

      Think like me or you are evil.

    • BearDown100393

      No matter the team name, Dan Snyder will always be a turd.

  • King of DBB

    Awww – Jay-Z done cheated on Beyonce. Can’t tap that enough I guess.

    http://people.com/music/jay-z-beyonce-444/

    • BearDown100393

      Don’t cccaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    • willbest

      I tend to like Bill Burr’s take on these sorts of things. Its not like the whole world doesn’t know they are married. She had the Mrs. Carter world tour. Why aren’t these skanks and hos leaving her man alone?

      • Irish Sweetness

        The epidemic of gold-digging whores. A classic of modern comedy. Pure gold.

    • haha this just in!

      a rich powerful talented male cheats on wife with smoking hot chick most cucks can only masterbate to in the sink while their fat wives nag at them from the kitchen.

      It’s funny cuz most chicks pointed to Will Smith or Jay Z or Pitt as “hunky loyal hubbies” . This should disenchant them.

      Most males are cheaters, ESP alpha ones.

      I’m almost certain most men here have cheated but aren’t about to raise their hands.

      In my experience three types of males are most likely to not stray

      1. Fat, ugly, poor, old undesirable ones. Pretty self explanatory. They’re just eternally grateful they’re getting ANY poon and aren’t about to fuck it up.

      2. Beta males. We all have that friend who is a kind gentle soul but not exactly a looker or terribly charismatic . He tends to fall into the “friend zone” all through HS and college. And once girls are done getting their brains fucked by alphas, and maybe after a few kids, they settle on the Betas

      Addendum. If he is a looker and half-way interesting, these types tend to get married quite young

      3. Religious/”conservatives”. They were raised to think masturbating makes you blind, and fantasizing about Ginger sends you to hell, so programmed fear comes into play. Or maybe they were raised in a very structured nuclear family, and that’s what they’re used to, so they don’t wanna rock the boat.

      And EVEN then, have there been fat fucks, beta cucks, or religious kooks tapping shoes in bathroom stalls?

      Yes.

      Males. We really are assholes!

      • King of DBB

        Is Zuckerberg a cuck? A ZuckCuck?

        He seems to be letting that Asian fugly thang walk all over him.

        Type 3 think Kelly Anne Conway is hot. Most of the rest of us acknowledge she looks like a woman who was hit with a shovel in the face.

        Edit: Talk about a bad week. Jay-Z needs to grovel and then mama comes out as a dyke. Shit just rolls downhill.

        http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/jay-zs-mom-gloria-carter-comes-out-as-lesbian-in-new-duet-on-rappers-latest-album/ar-BBDuPSd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

        • Irish Sweetness

          BIll Gates, Fuckerberg, NFL QBs, every one of these robots couldn’t wait to get married. Inexplicable.

      • willbest

        It boils down to opportunity and cost.

        Jay Z is frequently away from home, with highly attractive women throwing themselves at him. If Bey kicks him out what does he lose? Certainly not access to easy sex. In fact, his life improves there because its now guilt free. Probably not even money since she makes bank herself. A little access to his kids? Probably, but he is busy anyway. Every other weekend and two weeks a year might be more his speed. His kids are going to be messed up anyway just due to the life they lead now, divorce for that family is probably like throwing a gallon of gas on a forest fire.

        The calculus is quite a bit more expensive for mere mortals.

        • Irish Sweetness

          What does he lose? They just bought a mansion in Bel-Air for what, 150 million?

        • Scharfinator

          Was he guilt free beforehand? Ehhh probably?

      • BerwynBomber

        Bringing it back somewhat to football, the funniest debunking of the “hunky loyal hubby” nonsense was when Frank Gifford was exposed as having extra-marital affair with that flight attendant. I say funny because Kathie Lee, up until then, could not stop talking about the old coot as being the perfect, faithful, virile mate. (She was having a very public back and forth with Howard Stern at the time.) Anyway, not that I root for someone’s personal paradise to come crashing down, but if anyone invited a few laughs at her expense, she did.

        Yeah, a good many of us have probably cheated (and I don’t know if the impulse to stray ever completely dies), but for those of us who got busted it tends to give you pause moving forward.

        I also think there might be alphas who are highly principled and self-disciplined to refrain from knocking boots with a side piece. Obama, thus far, seems wired like that. But huge asterisk bookending *thus far*. As you suggest, it is rarely if ever surprising when rich and powerful men have proven to be sexually disloyal.

        • willbest

          I presume you are granting Obama alpha status entirely due to him having been President.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m not up for your or LCD’s conservative-informed belittling right now. But if you think he is a cuck. Whatever. I honestly don’t care.

          • willbest

            Yes because if you aren’t an alpha you are a cuck. There are people that by their title they get the initial look, and then 5 minutes with them and women are going to pass. That is all I am implying about Obama. He isn’t the only one. I don’t think either Bush would survive those 5 minutes either.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Thought he was talking about Michelle….?

        • Yeah, I remember that. I bet Howard Stern was laughing his ass off (also, Stern another example of a guy who was loyal for a long time, but when hot chicks are constantly on your show…)

          I remember once when I was 18 I asked an old priest if the impulse ever dies. “Nope”.
          I thought, “And here is a man dedicated to an ideal 24/7. Wow. This loyalty thing is gonna be rough going forward.”

          Fast forward now to me 20 years later, and I can say the same “Nope”

          What I can say though is that at least an older man is not CONSUMED by sex like in his 20s . We can just rub one out, and go about our day. That doesn’t mean that we’re not as tempted as a 20 yr old when the right chick in the right place happens.

          A girl in a shirt skirt is laughing with you, she crosses her legs, casually puts her hand on your knee, eyes lock – a little glimmer shines…tough.

          And you’re right. There are some alphas (depending on how you define it) who are much more disciplined, but they are RARE and I tend to discover that they came from somewhat strict backgrounds (not necessarily religious, but rather strict). Was Lincoln an Alpha? (never mind the theory that he was a closet gay).

          It’s also possible that an Alpha does indeed fall head over heels for a chick, but this is also rare (Joe DiMaggio + Marylin Monroe?)

          Most Alphas just feel entitled, and that extends to grabbing them pussies.

          • BerwynBomber

            I would say the second funniest was probably Tiger Woods. His little blonde wife beating the shit out of him with a nine iron, the string of iHOP girls in bikinis in the tabloids, that “forgive me world” presser with his mom in the front row, etc. Tough for a wife and family/kids to go through that … but as an idiot watching far from afar? … pretty damn funny.

            Actually one of the most humorous Tiger stories was from Barkley who claimed that he and Jordan were the ones who first turned Tiger on to Vegas trim. But as Barkley said both he and MJ knew shortly thereafter that Tiger was in over his head, uncool and not in control. It was like he was Erkel and had suddenly discovered girls who liked him. Basically no discretion.

            And yup, so true regarding the priest’s words. But hey, that’s life as Frankie sang.

        • Johnnywad

          One can argue with Obama politics all day, I can’t imagine finding a soul to say he’s unfaithful. Seems like a genuinely good and protective husband and father. I’d be shocked.

        • SC Dave

          I didn’t

      • CanadaBear

        The only thing I can say is trouble doesn’t usually seek you out. If you are being a loyal husband, don’t go out in bars and act like you’re single or trying to send out the fuck me vibe. Pussy rarely falls from the sky!

        • willbest

          It still finds you occasionally. With some regularity I will go out to lunch or a drink with an attorney after a matter is settled. Sort of a victory, we got a deal done, share war stories, network, etc. I don’t do this when its a woman anymore, because there have been a couple that have tried to parlay it into more.

          • CanadaBear

            Apparently I’m more resistible.

          • willbest

            I think its a function of them being lawyers, than me being particularly suave.

          • If you’re a man and not entirely secluded, it’ll happen.

            Even with a ring on your finger. For some chicks, that ring is like a 10 inch dildo and they want nothing more than to seduce a ‘good man’.

          • CanadaBear

            I maintain if you’re not flirting with them or sending out the fuck me vibe, the vast majority of women will leave you alone. They will be nice to you but nothing beyond that.

          • SC Dave

            It’s the association with money. Like fucking duh.

          • willbest

            Sort of, but not necessarily in a golddigger sort of way. Most women are very uncomfortable dating down the social/economic ladder. It dramatically shrinks their dating pool when they won’t consider men that don’t have college degrees and aren’t pulling down high 5-figures or low 6-figures like they are.

            Couple that with lawyers typically being type A, and they will get rather assertive with any possible prospect that is educated, employed, reasonably looking, and talking to them.

            And that isn’t to say all women have that problem. A female lawyer I know is married to a fireman, another to a guy that owns his own landscaping company. But most of the ones that are married to other lawyers, investment bankers, doctors, etc. And there are a lot of single female lawyers pushing 40 complaining about not finding a “good man”. Meanwhile their male coworkers are married to nurses, teachers, social workers, stay at home moms, in addition to lawyers, doctors, etc because men don’t really care about that.

          • I concur. If you don’t live on a Wisc farm or something, there’s ALWAYS gonna be a chick somewhere along the line that just falls on your lap.

            I mean, I think I told the story about how I was just killing and hour at a bar at like 1pm while the car was getting an oil check, and a cute girl is just there and begins chatting with me and gives me her #.

            I told the other story that I was searching for Docs (from England, not those chinese shit ones), and the girl writes her # on the back of her card.

            If you’re not a hermit, just happens.

            Oh, and Will, I actually do have a quick question on that since you are a lawyer.

            I was talking to this lawyer (chick, and HOT. I was surprised. Defender). and I asked her for her card, but she said, “Oh, I put my # on the back of that paper” (she handed me). Is that common, or is that a lil more? Don’t really cruz the courtrooms picking up on lawyers.

          • willbest

            I would venture to say she either didn’t have a business card on her (rare but can happen) or she didn’t feel you needed her work information in addition to her cell phone.

          • Yeah, I wasn’t sure how to play it. She was REALLY friendly, but hey, they sorta have to be, right?

            So I just texted her thanking her etc (and I don’t even know if THAT is a faux pas or not). Kinda a gray area.

            But honestly, the thought of dating a lawyer doesn’t really entice me.

            If I fuck up somehow (and I will), I’m sure she could make my life a living hell lol

          • willbest

            Wait were you talking to her in the context of needing legal advice? Because there is actually a code of conduct rule about not being allowed to date/sleep with clients.

            There are a lot more ballbusters among the female lawyer population,than women in general. And the whole processes of becoming a lawyer tends to force you to be opinionated. But nice female attorneys aren’t unicorns. A DA might be able to make your life miserable if she were pyscho, but a defense attorney not so much.

          • Well, that’s the thing. I don’t even know if she IS my lawyer lol

            I was pretty much in court, she saw my case briefly, and decided to give me some free advice since it was nothing even remotely serious.

            Then she gave me whatever paperwork I needed. That’s when I asked for her card in case I do have any questions going forward (and also, cuz she was hot), and that’s when she told me she wrote her # on the back of the paper.

            I guess I’ll find out. “Discovery, your honor…”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bar at 1 p.m.? I’ll venture ‘whore’. And #2, not a lawyer?

            Neither disqualify pounding.

  • SC Dave

    Was reading an article (http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/06/30/ranking-the-11-most-important-players-on-defense-for-the-bears-in-2017/ ), and saw this. Certainly matches my perception of Freeman; it was obvious to me almost immediately that he was a real keeper.

    “What a pleasant surprise Jerrell Freeman was in 2016. It’s not that he joined the Bears with an average reputation. He was fully expected to start and be a very good starter. But the level of play Chicago received was greater than anything imaginable.

    Freeman finished 2016 as the highest graded linebacker by Pro Football Focus.

    He’s a thumper. He excels in coverage. He gets his teammates fired up. Freeman is exactly what an inside linebacker is supposed to be in Chicago. Without him, the defense would be in trouble. Big trouble.”

    • willbest

      I was just thankful to have a competent talent there after 4 years in the wilderness, that he is top 5, all the better.

      • SC Dave

        Well, if PFF is to be believed, he is well beyond mere competence.

        Bit perhaps you were referring to the overall. My opinion is the Kwiat detractors are wrong, and that kid is going to be solid. Maybe never spectacular, but Hillenmeyer/Buffone style solid.

        And I’d take that all the way.

        • CanadaBear

          Buffone was light years better than HH.

    • I was really surprised by Freeman’s coverage.
      If we remember, Freeman was rather bad in coverage during PS. He wasn’t Timu horrible, always there, but just a step late. Began to fear he’d get picked on in the pass game.

      But he really cleaned that up once the reg season began.

      Then again, maybe he began using HGH to make up for that step.

    • Scharfinator

      He was a stud. He was what I expected Trevathan to be… instead, Trevathan was consistently in his shadow.

      • SC Dave

        Exactly. Freeman is a considerably better football player than Trevathan.

  • And in honor of our new Russian puppet-masters, a funny ass fuck russian story!

    It’s friday, bitches. Enjoy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    it has been a while since we had Booby Friday
    (NSFW) https://boobsarethegreatest.tumblr.com/

    • Read my mind.

    • CanadaBear

      That’s a lot of boobage. Bless you, my son!

      • Corporal Clott

        Gasp…Canada! If 2 out of 10 women are offended by the word “boobage”, butch is gonna get you. Hee hee

        • CanadaBear

          I’m pretty sure they are already pissed that we’re looking at boobs!!!!!!!!!

          • willbest

            If that were true they should put on a burka.

          • Corporal Clott
          • Irish Sweetness

            I was eye-fucked in airport in Abu Dhabi once. I’ll never forget her. It was one of the most sensual things that ever happened to me.

            Burkas are sexy.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m gonna have to take your word on this one Irish. Pretty sure burka eye sex isn’t in my future!

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    So Trubs has not signed yet. not worried about it but it is odd since the Bears usually are one of the first teams to get draft classes signed.

    • willbest

      They “promoted” Stein after Pace’s first year. The result has been the lack of day 1 signings. Quite frankly with the rookie wage scale it seems nonsensical to me.

      If I were a betting man, I would venture it has something to do with the uncertainty of IL income tax law. That the income tax is going from 3.75 to 4.95% is basically a certainty at this point. But if the Dems want to make it retro active to Jan 1, 2017 and the GOP is currently proposing it only increases when the bill is signed.

      Under the GOP model then it is in his best interest to take a very large signing bonus before the bill is signed as it would save him roughly 200k on an 18 million signing bonus. Under the Dem model, there would be a minor incentive for a more normalized payout.

      • EnderWiggin

        I was wondering if it had something to do with potential playing time. Maybe DaBears want to pay him a tad less for clip-boarding the first year. Maybe TruBiscuit wants to be paid to compete.
        Then again, I’m not sure any of that would matter with the newish scale – you’d figure we’d just offer him what the last QB taken 2nd received.

        • willbest

          As the #2 pick Trubisky is guaranteed ~$28 million. So the only real thing to negotiate is when and how he gets paid.

    • BearDown100393

      Mitch plays for wins not $

  • Bender McLugh

    Sharpy is back, excellent

    Blackhawks’ Patrick Sharp: Heading back to Chi-Town
    https://www.thescore.com/nhl_daily_fantasy/news/1327488
    (via http://thesco.re/theScore_app )

    • Bender McLugh

      ignore the app link, my bad

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hope there’s something left in the tank.

      • Bender McLugh

        healthy & rested for the playoffs, please and thank you

  • Bender McLugh

    I didn’t know about this. Maybe Howard will have better hands this season

    Bears RB Jordan Howard Underwent Eye Surgery This Offseason

    http://flip.it/Feyp-P

    • CanadaBear

      Hope it helps with his game. Who knows? I saw a recent pic of him and he looked leaner but not smaller. He seems to get it! Gotta love that!

      • SC Dave

        He wants to be Walter Payton.

        Excellent.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
          • SC Dave

            I saw that, but did not cite. The imbecile that wrote the headline obviously does not understand that hill was converted to a golf course long ago. Before Walter died.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            read article. it says that the hill was part of a golf course.

          • SC Dave

            So, does that make it worse that the title is wrong?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            title is not wrong. Walters hill is now part of a golf course. They went to said golf course and ran hill.

    • willbest

      I would do eye surgery but I am terrified of losing my sight. I hope it helps him. I am mildly curious as to why contacts weren’t cutting it though.

    • Havnt read it but doubt it. It’s been my experience that either u got hand or dont

      • Bender McLugh

        Chu gotta have faith

      • CanadaBear

        Not sure about that. If there is something wrong with your eyesight the hand/eye coordination will automatically suffer. I was born with a lazy eye, had surgery when I was 5 and the view masters don’t line up 100%. I’m not like Clarence the Cross-eyed Lion but it definitely affects my depth perception at times. More than once playing baseball I took a pop fly to the face because of it.

  • Bender McLugh

    https://i.imgur.com/eY1xLYA.gifv

    Dad assisted augmented reality gaming

  • SC Dave

    Arena’s USMNT versions may not be “as good as” those of Klinsman, but they are more fun to watch

    • Bender McLugh

      I think it’s a better team. tons more speed, excellent possession game. I’m excited for this group

  • SC Dave

    So two hours per day for a month, at $88 is $13916? You’d think this Balkan cunt would at least try a calculator, if he has one there in his mother’s basement.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Well done Jeff Horn. Retired Manny. I hope.

    Great fight.

    • CanadaBear

      Didn’t see it, yet. Everything I’ve read it sounds like Manny got screwed. Wow. I just looked at the punch stats. Almost 2 x1 in favor of Manny. Holy crap, home cooking! Manny already said he wants a rematch and it was in the contract. I thought you said this fight was gonna be boring?

      • BerwynBomber

        Universally condemned. Sounds like Pac won twice as many rounds. Home-cooking, I presume. Atlas claimed it was the equivalent of giving someone a participation trophy.

        • CanadaBear

          Wow. From what I’ve read it sounded bad.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        fixed, Paq had to lose. free fight for everyone on ESPN, rematch on Pay Per View $$$$$. Needed to drum up excitement for the rematch.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Woke up to see that Stephen A. Smith and the internet have lost their minds, or watched the fight drunk and didn’t really watch the fight.

        My initial reaction, and that of the commentators, was that Horn CLEARLY won most rounds. He just boxed the face off Manny. There was one round (9th?) where Horn looked done. Ref said between rounds he’d stop the fight unless he showed something, which he then did.

        Stephen A. Smith is removed from any definition of reality. He will call black white and v.v.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Manny’s punches didn’t hurt, whereas Horn’s were much harder. I don’t know what counts as a ‘punch’ if that’s the case.

  • willbest

    “Rent a boat never buy a boat” – Kyle Long to Deiondre Hall on twitter.

    Look at that, All-pro guard, and sound financial planner.

    • CanadaBear

      My buddy back in the day bought a really old houseboat to screw around on the Mississippi River. He named it Money Sunk!

      • Cormonster

        My buddy bought a really old houseboat and sunk it on their maiden voyage in some backwaters. Lucky it was fairly shallow so not too expensive to get it out.

        Oh, and happy Canada Day, Canada! Also belated Happy Victoria Day. You coming to Iowa / Chicago this summer?

        • CanadaBear

          No, not this summer. My buddy and I are talking about a cross-country self-supported bike ride next year. Just bought a touring a bike to handle the load. Holy Crap is that bike heavy. I need to lose a bunch of weight and get a hell of a lot stronger. Lots of parties for Canada’s 150th. We just kinda laid low and went out for sushi with some pals. Other than the festival at the end of next month, nothing really planned. Wasn’t sure how the legs were gonna be so I didn’t want to get too crazy with plans.

          • Cormonster

            Maybe next year. Are you thinking of Arizona this winter? I’m gonna try and make a trip there this year to visit a cousin who relocated from Chicago area last year and hit up some concerts while there.

          • CanadaBear

            Probably not. It took me a year to recover money-wise from that winter. Apparently I have less money than I originally thought!!!!!!!!!! I’ve kinda, sorta promised my sisters I’d come back next year sometime. Once I figure that out I’ll keep you in the loop.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      make you sure you rent the boat with some old Viking players. I heard they know how to have a good time

      • CanadaBear

        The Love Boat! How funny was that? I laughed so hard when I read the details of that party. All the hookers/strippers were doing guys everywhere and the female staff on the boat were horrified. Guys would go behind the bars and start serving their pals while the staff ran for a safe place. Once they got off the boat they continued to have sex in public near the docks. How did they ever get busted???????

    • Irish Sweetness

      “Lease a boat, and write it off against tax.” – accountant to Kyle Long.

      • BearDown100393

        Let the rookie rent the boat and just tag along.

  • leftcoastdave

    “We’ve over complicated Trump. Stupidity + Narcissism = Trump. Nothing scarier than morons who think they’re brilliant.”

    Res ipsa loquitur.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Gil Brandt has 5 Bears in the top 50 LBs of all time. That doesn’t sound right. Wilbur Marshall – 23 interceptions???

    http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000816217/gil-brandts-greatest-nfl-linebackers-of-all-time

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