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Get a Quarterback, or Why I Could Give a Shit About the 3rd Pick in the Draft

| January 25th, 2017

Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports

Matt Ryan put the Falcons up 24 on the Packers and nobody thought the game was over. Why? Because the Packers had the best quarterback in the sport not named Brady.

The AFC Championship game was played by two quarterbacks with 6 Super Bowl rings and 9 Super Bowl appearances – more appearances in the Terrific Title than every other quarterback in the league combined.

Let me make something clear, Bears fans. “With the third pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Johnathan Allen, defensive end, Alabama” is not going to put the 2017 edition of the Bears into the postseason. The Jets have two of the best defensive ends in the game. Aaron Donald is a game-changing defensive lineman. Geno Atkins. Gerald McCoy. Ndamukong Suh. You know what those teams are all doing on Thursday April 27th? Picking shortly after the Bears. Sturdy defensive linemen are nice and all but they don’t move the needle. Pass rushers do. Playmakers on offense do. And, most importantly, quarterbacks do.

Before free agency, quarterbacks didn’t have to be great to win titles. They could be Jim McMahon or Mark Rypien or Doug Williams or Jeff Hostetler because the money was there to build a great team AROUND the position. Those days are a distant memory.

But Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have distorted the “franchise quarterback” conversation in the other direction because over the course of their careers, their divisions NEVER FEATURED ANOTHER GREAT QUARTERBACK. (Detroit’s Matthew Stafford is better than anything Brady and Manning ever consistently faced in the AFC East and South.) That’s why they are in the playoffs every year, with two of the three having limited success in the tournament. The other franchise-type guys: Eli, Flacco, Brees, Ryan, Rivers…etc. guarantee their teams nothing due to one primary factor: competition.

Still, the the information doesn’t lie. Since the 2000 season, the Super Bowl champion quarterbacks:

Dilfer (with historic defense)

Brady

Brad Johnson (with historic defense)

Brady

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Eli

Big Ben

Brees

Rodgers

Eli

Flacco

Russell Wilson (with historic defense)

Brady

Peyton

Brady / Matt Ryan

You don’t need a great quarterback to win the Super Bowl. But it sure as hell helps if you don’t have a great, great defense.

Bears fans seem to want it all. They don’t mind trading for Jimmy Garoppolo but they don’t want to trade too much or pay Jimmy G the going rate for a starter in the league. (The going rate now being below what the much maligned Jay Cutler makes.) They’re intrigued by Deshaun Watson and Mitch Trubisky but, you know, not with the third pick. (As if quarterbacks are sliding in drafts these days and not being OVER-drafted every single year.)

There is no such thing as a price too high, a risk too great, when it comes to acquiring a potential franchise quarterback. Who gives a shit about the third pick in the draft? Who gives a shit about more picks down the line? Yes, those picks can help build the foundation of a successful organization but without the quarterback, you better have a hit rate of about 100% and nobody has a hit rate even approaching 80%. The reward for getting the quarterback decision correct is sustained, long-term competitiveness. And for an organization like the modern Chicago Bears, that is the holy grail.

John Elways are hard to come by. But just because they are hard to come by shouldn’t deter an organization like the Chicago Bears from doing everything in their power to find one. If Ryan Pace identifies the guy, he should go get him. And pay whatever the freight.

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  • Game of Breath (GP)

    If Trubinky is there at 3, I can see Pace going for it.

    • MB30SD

      fuck that. we take any QB @ 3 this year and I’m OUT!

      • do you come back in when they win 5 out of the next 7 superbowls?

        • MB30SD

          potentially.

          With whom are you proffering Ev?

          • Greg Ward. Can’t miss.

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha

          • 5’11”. Jumps to see over the O-Line. What could go wrong?

            It’s the perfect Emery surprise pick.

          • MB30SD

            Perfect!

      • willbest

        Mine is if Brian Hoyer is our starting QB next year.

        • MB30SD

          300/2/0 maings.

          Why would you turn that down!?!? Give the man a chance with a real D and specials… and maybe a real WR or two. If Pace rocks this offseason, hoyer will look like fucking joe montana

          • willbest

            Because it was accompanied by 0.25 rushing TDs and 0.5 FGs

          • MB30SD

            Exactly!!!

            high school JV WR dropped like 10 of his TD throws, we didn’y run the ball with guys like urine and howard, and we missed like 5 FGs for the guy.

            Get him real WR, pound the fucking ball, and make the kicks and all of a sudden he looks like a dalton! hahahq

          • Huge Bears Penis

            he has already had a chance with a real D and a real WR or two. they went to the playoffs where he shit the bed. 15-34 136 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs, 3 sacks, 2 fumbles 1 was lost. I am pretty sure both fumbles came from stripsacks.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            oh yeah and that team thought so much of him that they cut him and replaced him with Brick Osweiler.

          • I’m sure they don’t regret THAT decision.

          • MB30SD

            Dude, that’s bullshit. He’s on the bears now! totally different scenario. Not fair!

          • willbest

            He isn’t on any team right now. FA bro.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            just keep preaching your 300/2/0 and I will keep bringing up 136/0/4/1

          • MB30SD

            hahahahahaha… deal!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            He could supplant neckbeard as a fan favorite and actually take us to the promised land. It’s worth a shot but I an concerned about missing out on a QB if he’s out there and someone else snags him. Fack, of all the years to get the third pick, it had to the year the qbs seem to all be meh. Fack, fack, fack.

          • CanadaBear

            With ya 100% Although, after the underwear olympics and a few QB pro days, the electronic media will go into overdrive. 1 or 2 of the workout warriors will shoot up the board.

          • It wouldn’t matter, Trac.
            Let’s say Wentz and Goff came out this yr instead of last.

            You know what happens?

            The Browns and 9ers draft them back to back, and we’re left with a bag-o-dicks again.

            Bears are going to have to “win” the #1overall in a yr when a true franchise QB comes out of college ( a la Luck, Cam, Winston) OR get lucky.

            Pace will have to possess some Nostrdumus insight into this QB field or plain luck into a Dak/Wilson

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Hoyer eats dick MB, and i’m pretty sure you know he eats dick.

          • MB30SD

            jes.

          • So does Vadgers, and he’s the best QB in the NFL!

        • DaBearsBlog

          This is my living nightmare for 2017. Nothing will be harder to write about than a Hoyer-led Bears. How the fuck do I drum up excitement for that?

          • MB30SD

            when he wins (with a ridiculous D and decent specials) and he pulls a 300/3/0 every game.

            You’re being selfish Jeff… I’d much rather have a boring playoff run than a ‘exciting’ rollercoaster up and down great win inane loss year with stripsack.

          • JRoenick

            It was boring because he didn’t score. Advancing the ball down the field is exciting. Stalling every red zone is not.

          • willbest

            The upshot of his dink and dunk was it prevented getting slaughtered by 30 points because there wasn’t time for our opponents to score. Its what I call losing with honor.

          • Malice Halice

            Hoyer is solid. But I feel like with Hoyer we need to compliment him with bodies we just don’t need to really focus on. I’m not sold on our wr unit but he will need more than just AJ and Cam, a TE for sure. D.Watson I feel will compliment our O as it is. We need a guy that can run from Kendrick n co. (Min) long hair fuck in GB n peppers (GB). Detroit no pass d threat at all. Idk tho, qb’s r over drafter tho.

          • willbest

            I feel if you don’t have Jay Cutler’s cannon, or Brady’s field of vision, I want you to have the ability to take off and run a bit. I don’t need Cam, but at least Rodgers or Smith or Tannehill.

          • If a QB is smart, he doesn’t need to run much, just shuffle in the pocket.

            Hoyer only had ONE turnover (a fumble), but what is not as heralded (for some odd reason) is that he took less sacks which is why drives didn’t flame out with him in 3 and outs. That’s because he processes the plays faster, sees the field, maybe recognizes Ds and accounts for down-and-distance more.

            the drawback is, his arm’s not a rocket (which means he HAD to study hard, see above). It’s like that ugly chick with personality vs a smoking hot chick that demands new shoes every week.

            And that’s MBs and mine argument – IF a franchise Qb there, move in. If not then, load up and complement the team around the QB.

            If it all bombs, at least we get rid of Zombie Fox and bring in a young aggressive coach who’s not a puss.

          • Malice Halice

            So what, snatch up another savage to go tandem with J.Howard? Or a TE to compliment Hoyer to check down? He can get us to RZ but we need a finisher to pass the goal line (Howard all day) tho.

          • What do you call the loss to the Bucs?

          • willbest

            That wasn’t hoyer

          • Oh, trust me, I know, but what do you call those types of losses?

          • willbest

            That wasn’t losing with honor. That was just sucking cock.

          • MB30SD

            yeah 250,000 dropped ballz in the endzone (and shitty playcalling) sucks huh?

          • CanadaBear

            Most of those drops were when Barkley was in there.

          • Yes for some reason they didn’t drop it as much for Hoyer.

            Hoya magic, baby!

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Did you watch the Hoyer games? reminded me of the Shane Mathews/Jim Miller bears. As in, bag of dicks

          • MB30SD

            yes, but he’s the best bag of dicks we have… and why throw money opty away when Fox is your already-retired coach, the draft class sux (according to all the ‘experts’), and we have tons of other holes.

            Why not go with the best we already have/is cheap and easy… patch everything up to make it solid as fuck, then go get your guy next year in a much improved draft class (again, according to all the ‘experts’).

            By then maybe fox will have thrown in the towel and we can start with Pace/HC of his choice/franchise QB of the future?!

          • 100% this .

            Are we living in bizarro world or what?

            It’s crazy ppl don’t see it this way.

            Not saying don’t draft a Qb, but I want bloggers to throw in their hats as to which QB will beat out Hoyer this year AND drag Fox to the SB.

            Plz, someone let me in on that Ocean’s 11 masterplan…

          • MB30SD

            yeah, seems straight up logic to me, but what the fuck do I know maings.

          • Bender McLugh

            ha, read this after replying to Jeffe….300/2/0 baby….OY.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            If Pace shits the bed and drafts a quarterback that disgusts me during the season that’s one thing but if he pisses me off with his first pick and proves me wrong, I’ll let him blow butch for free.

          • MB30SD

            mighty christian of you!

            (see how I did that?)

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            It’s better to give than receive?

          • MB30SD

            Always

          • Bender McLugh

            ask MB…. 300/2/0!!!

          • CanadaBear

            You’ve drummed up excitement for Cutler for 8 years and most people would say that’s impossible.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol, leave it to good ol Canada. Out of the mouth of babes…..hahaha

          • CanadaBear

            Aw, shucks.

          • Car crashes are inherently exciting, esp 8 year ones.

          • BearDown100393

            Roll out alternative statistics.

          • SC Dave

            Wins are exciting!

          • Yes, granted, not as exciting as strip sack safeties, chucking it into triple coverage, or back peddling pick 6s to Conte while the defensive captain shouts in the QBs face on the sideline, but exciting nevertheless!

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I don’t want Hoyer as our starting QB, but you keep making a damn good case for me wanting him.

          • willbest

            You will miss me when I am gone.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            how bout a test run…. go away for a month, then I will let you know when you come back.

          • willbest

            June. No such thing as a paid vacation. I spend the week before and after working like a dog, so nobody bothers me during family time.

  • willbest

    That should be (Peyton). He might have had the brandname, but everybody knew the 2015 model was a pile of shit carried there on the defense.

  • Alex

    If Pace identifies the next bears franchise QB almost no price is too high.

    • SC Dave

      Next? When did we have one? Luckman?

  • willbest

    I don’t know if Brady is GOAT without Belichick. And he basically is the entirety of your argument.

    Eli, Flacco, and Ryan are just guys with good arms that rose to the occasion. I don’t even think Eli gets into Canton unless he finds his way to a 3rd SB ring. And lets face it Peyton was garbage in all 3 SB’s he played in. Its when the Defense for the Falcons got its act together that they started to dominate. Same with the Ravens and those Giants teams. Harbaugh turned Kaep into somebody that played the roll of an NFL QB and had lots of success.

    Its great D plus competent O that has the most success. Somebody had a stat where the best O and the best D have met 6 times before in the superbowl and the best O is 1-5. You got to have the D. Aaron Rodgers just gets you an invitation to the playoffs every year. The only time he has won it though is when his Defense wasn’t dogshit.

    Now obviously the only way to have a competent O is with a competent QB, but you need the defense too. And if you aren’t solid on any of the QB’s out there then going after Defensive players is just as valid.

    • MB30SD

      doesn’t matter, they are together and he most certainly is.

    • BerwynBomber

      But I think your point about Rodgers is Blogfather’s implied point about Rodgers, Brady and Peyton. Only those three guys have pretty much guaranteed their teams playoff spots every year. Wilson is tracking that way too, but a) he’s too young to throw in that group just yet, and b) thus far it seems to have been as much about SEA D (and even Beast) as it is/was Wilson.

      Mind, I’d throw Brees in that “elite” group also, but he’s carrying a crap organization and thus has a severe handicap. (Rodgers has been handicapped too in that regard but not to the extent Brees has.)

      Now to the guys you mentioned: Eli, Ryan and Flacco. Yes, Eli’s regular season stats have been Cutty-esque, but he is durable as hell and seems to not only play well in the post-season but also in the Giants’ big divisional games. (He’s led NYG to the post-season six times.) Ryan’s arguably been a career top 10 QB (borderline if nothing else) over the course of his career, has led ATL to the post-season five times and might very well win the MVP this year (if not an SB). Flacco mirrors Eli in a lot of ways, Cutty-esque regular season stats too, but durable as rawhide, has played well in big games, and has been to the playoffs six times.

      In short, they’re not “elite” but they’re not abject garbage either. And if you use the “franchise QB” more liberally (which I believe Blogfather was arguing for) to include guys beyond Brady, Rodgers and Peyton, then Eli, Ryan and Flacco might qualify.

      • willbest

        But those guys aren’t appreciably better than the likes of Stafford, Smith, and Rivers. Its just this later group has never elevated their game in the post season, or they have never had that defense. And Ryan hadn’t until this year either.

        • BerwynBomber

          Valid point.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I actually agree with Jeff on this one. I also think the QB position is a lot more important to Victory than it used to be 30-20 years ago. Sure Defense is still number one in my book, but you can get away with a moderate defense if you have a beast at QB. Rogers is a perfect example.

    • BearDown100393

      Rogers has 1 Super Bowl. Just like Dilfer.

      • CanadaBear

        Good point but lots of chances with Rodgers (insert own joke here).

      • BerwynBomber

        Though in fairness, it is a stretch to label Rodgers’ average Cheese D’s as “moderate” given that they yield, on average, 36 points in his post-season losses.

      • As does Brees, and Favre
        Which is 1 more than Marino, Moon, McNair…

        Elway almost didn’t joined that club but luckily for him they got a stud HB and decent defense late in his career.

  • Bender McLugh

    “If Ryan Pace identifies the guy, he should go get him. And pay whatever the freight.”

    What if that’s not in this year’s draft? Some of us are perfectly fine with that.

    • MB30SD

      the smart ones

    • willbest

      That is what is hard to understand about Jeff’s two days of Jimmy G. He always has the qualifier “if Pace thinks he is a franchise QB…”

      I can respect that take, that is why Pace gets paid and we don’t. But then he goes on to defend G, which is dubious considering we know about the Patriots abilities and their own long term question marks at QB.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        where is he defending Jimmy G?

        • willbest

          He dug up his preseason stats to package his entire NFL experience as being more than it is. You don’t do that unless you are G’s agent or Irish. Is Jeff Irish? Is He? IS HE?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            i guess i did not see that. However in this case if Pace is really considering a trade for him, you look at all information and film you can get your hands on reg season, preseason, and the joint practices the Bears had with him. Got to look at everything.

          • I think Data did a good job of illustrating that access to prospects usually means coaches know who NOT to draft.

            Maybe Pace did get a good look at Jimmy G and decided, “meh”

            (Kinda like Peter Caroll with Barkley)

          • Bender McLugh

            that was Andrew’s article I thought

          • willbest

            So it was, I stand corrected.

          • Brought to you by Jeff.

            Come for the Bears. Stay for the dead-season banter

      • Bender McLugh

        I don’t like that gamble, but if Pace does then I’ll roll with him

        • SC Dave

          Do we have a choice?

          • Bender McLugh

            noooope

      • Irish Sweetness

        I only want to know if Pace thinks Jay is a “franchise QB”. I don’t know what else you can be a QB of … but whatever ….

        • Pace never wanted Cutler.

          By all accounts he wanted to dump him and throw the trove for Mariota, but ultimately it was too costly in both draft picks and cap.

          Pace reportedly still tried to trade Cutler away for picks, but found no buyers.

          Then Cutler had an Alex Smithish yr under Gase, and he figured, screw it, we’ll give it a season but bring in insurance in Hoyer, see what happens.

          Gase left, and we saw what happened.

          Pace can finally cut Cutler now without much cap penalty, and he now has the draft picks and decent QB market to make the move he wanted to when he first joined but couldn’t.

          That’s what I like about Pace. He, um, paces himself. Seems pragmatic in his approach.

  • FQD1911

    If Pace trades for Jimmy fucking Garapolo….

    Watson to the Bears (hopefully). I don’t see Hue passing on him.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What round?

      • FQD1911

        If Watson is available, 3rd overall pick. If not, 3rd or 4th (maybe 5th) rounder

  • beninnorcal

    I don’t want a quarterback that tends to run first and run often. I’m hoping our future qb specializes in reading defenses, going through progressions, making smart decisions, and getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, if we’re stating preferences I’d like a Matt Ryan type. A big 6’4″ or 6’5″ guy who isn’t a complete stiff when it comes to mobility, has above average arm strength, and the durability of a Clydesdale.

      • CanadaBear

        I was never convinced Ryan was all that until this year. He looks phenomenal this year.

        • BerwynBomber

          Well, this year has been an anomaly for him, kinda like Carson Palmer’s was last year. But Ryan’s been a solid, durable guy and has made a handful of playoff appearances throughout his career.

          • SC Dave

            Ryan with the Lovie teams would have probably been three SBs, with two wins.

          • BerwynBomber

            Wouldn’t go that far. Rodgers or Brees? YES. But Ryan? He’s never shown he is a guy who can carry a team. Even this year he is throwing to the most physically gifted WR in the league, and has a two-headed RB crew whose output equals that of L’Veon Bell.

            I like the guy a ton but I’m not putting him immediately among the elites. Even if he wins in ten days.

            But 1 SB with Lovie? Sure. Why not…

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. Put any professional QB on that Falcons team and they’d likely be in the SB.

            They didn’t beat the p*ckers because of meg Ryan.

        • SC Dave

          He’s like Warner in his prime. Almost surreal.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I was never in love with Meg. Figure in his OL, RB room and receiving corps though. Cutty couldn’t fuck that up.

          • CanadaBear

            Yes he could.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That leaves the two 6’5 guys, Rudolph, and the other one who’s not as good. Rudolph could turn out to be better than Trubisky and you wouldn’t have to draft him in the first.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Is it Kizer that scoots first? Doesn’t he go happy feet if he hasn’t spotted heaven in one second? And Watson is the guy that only reads one side of the field, right? He’s fucked in the NFL, unless he’s smart and picks it up eventually.

      Trubs certainly has a quick release. Kizer can bring it down below his hip. Trubs goes thru his progressions but still has the wheels to scoot if he needs to.

      I won’t cry if we draft Trubisky. I just don’t think we need to.

      • Didn’t the Bears trade a #1 for a QB who could only throw to his right, or something?

        Maybe Watson only throws it to the other side and completes the Ying/Yang

    • 67.0%
      7.23 avg…Oints…1fmb

      ..64yd long
      98.0 QBrating

  • willbest

    They Stamped it, didn’t they? Those damn Gideons.

    • Bender McLugh

      awesome reference, +100

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    I agree with you Jeff. I want to wet my beak as well, shat me a dam quarterback!

    Edit: fack Jimmy G!

    • BearDown100393

      If the light bulb is out, better duck quickly.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Jess.

  • beninnorcal

    Sorry, MB, but Hoyer doesn’t do it for me unless he’s a backup, and I think Barkley actually has more upside as a backup.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Does MB let you suck his titty? That’s right, you don’t owe him a dam apology, this is a Bears blog. He he

      • MB30SD

        MY fucking bears blog!

        hahahaha… come on maings.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Hahaha

        • BearDown100393

          Your blog? My allegiance is to Chicago! Da Bears!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            You tell em bd!

          • MB30SD

            not really, just fucking with Trac.

    • MB30SD

      Ben, here’s my deal plain and simple.

      1. Fix the D and specials (and TE, OT) this offseason
      2. Let Hoyer, Barkley, and Shaw fight it out for 1,2,3 positions. Don’t really care who wins, they’re all interchangeable at some level
      3. Get our guy next year however possible

      • That Guy

        If you believe there is no franchise QB available this year (meaning no draft picks, not Jimmy G, not Tyrod Taylor), then you’re right. Its wasted capital.

        But, if you believe there is a franchise QB this year, and that you have identified him, why wait a year? There are opportunities to get great defenders every year. If I told you I had a crystal ball and that Deshaun Watson was as good as Tom Brady, that the 49rs or someone trading with them would take him at #2 if we didn’t trade up to #1 and that no other QB in the draft was any good, what would you offer Cleveland for the top pick? Is there any compensation too high?

        I’m telling you right now. Houston in our position would give up Watt. Denver would give up Miller. If it meant we got the next Tom Brady, I would send Howard, any defender they wanted and three years of first round picks. And I wouldn’t think twice.

        How much you pay in picks and cash for a QB has nothing to do with what other positions are in the draft. It is only about how sure you are that he’s going to be good.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Your words move me NB.

        • MB30SD

          100% NB, now all we need is that pesky little crystal ball and then we can bundle up all the booty whoever needs to get our guy and we’re golden.

          See, it’s the crystalball that’s the tough part, because Watson is MUCH more likely to be a Tyrod Taylor 2.0 than a Brady 2.0.

          Would you be willing to bet your career as a first-time GM on this draft class? Or finding that Wilson/Dak gem in the mud? I sure as hell would want it to be as easy a choice as possible. That’s just me though.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol. Life’s a crap shoot MB. What’s the worst that can happen? Hee hee

            I’m waiting? Ooh this is going to be good.

          • MB30SD

            A stripsack?

          • stripsack safety to be exact

          • Exactly. Which sane fan would hesitate to draft the next Brady in the 6th, at #3, or even selling the farm on him?

            The issue is trying to land that

            And who on this blog is that sold on a QB this year?

            I don’t hear many bloggers going all-in on any QB

            Most I hear is “IF’ – oh, “IF” Pace thinks Jimmy G is the guy…

            Yup, that takes real balls!

            Who here is willing to put their rep on a QB this draft?

            Crickets…

          • Huge Bears Penis

            no one. I would however go after McCarron. I liked him coming out of college.

          • But would you give up the #3 overall for him?

            Doubt it. But apparently Jeff is expecting that from Bears fans for some reason, or worse, from Pace!

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Patriots were certainly not sure he was going to be good if they drafted him in the sixth round, so the argument to give up picks for a QB … I don’t know, has it ever worked?

          With Cutty on board and a #3 pick I can’t even believe we’re talking about giving up picks here. Not again.

          Why isn’t the talk about defensive ends?

          • Waffle

            The fashionable thing to do on this blog is to revise history on what Cutler can do. Members have somehow reduced him to some reject. The Bears suck because we failed to draft and acquire talent like a pro organization for almost 8yrs.
            It’s changing it seems but we are at least 10 players away from 10-6. We don’t need a QB right now, we need virtually everything else.

      • Barkley proved he’s only a cheaper version of Cargo.

        FUUUUUUCK no. And you know me, I’m an SC guy, but c’mon man.

        Shaw looked good. He tickles my fancy, but he looks very small.

        If he beats out Hoya, no problem there. Good problem to have. But in spite of Irish boners for PS, we know next to hack shit about Shaw or soon-to-be Bears QB

        • MB30SD

          jep

    • Irish Sweetness

      Once more, shouldn’t the “backup” be a guy that can start? Why does “backup” have to mean “slightly shitty”? Hoyer cannot make all the throws he needs to make to be a starter, so why should he ever be on the team?

      Bill Walsh with Joe Cool, and Steve Young on the bench. That’s the problem you want to have, not worrying about things if your #2 has to go in.

  • BearDown100393

    Pay the freight.
    That was exactly what Jerry Angelo did.

    • CanadaBear

      Sure, bring that up. FUCKER!

      • BearDown100393

        🙂

  • BearDown100393
    • MB30SD

      jesus.

      Butch! there’s your new avatar!

      • Cargo…cut…snip snip

        #CondorShadow

        • MB30SD

          I hate you

      • BerwynBomber

        Looks like it should be Irish’s, no?

        • MB30SD

          es possible

    • Is that Hoyer?

      • BerwynBomber

        I thought it was Shaw.

  • BerwynBomber

    EDIT: the second and last Peyton entry should have also been labelled (with historic defense). In fact, Wilson was a much better QB in his SB win than Peyton was in his.

    • CanadaBear

      I can’t think of a SB winning QB that played worse.

      • BerwynBomber

        Nor can I. And not even close. Unless someone during a low-scoring affair in the ’70s, and even then ….

        Actually Peyton didn’t play all that fab when the Colts beat us either — the writers probably should have given the SB MVP award to their two RBs — but short of him putting in a performance like he did against CAR, they were going to give him that award come hell or high water.

      • MB30SD

        rex? hee hee

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Ya know, I didn’t wanna be the one but Jess, my thought exactly.

  • willbest

    RIP Mary Tyler Moore

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Judging from your solitary like vote, it doesn’t look like anyone really gives a fack. Hee hee.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m observing the 100 days of mourning for the Princess …. no room at the inn.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        She’s the reason women of the world no longer bring their men a beer and light their cigars on gameday. It’s turrible.

  • BerwynBomber

    Have made this same argument for the last few years as well. Basically, if you find a franchise QB in the draft he is probably worth anywhere from 2 to 5 defensive starters.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Sadly BB, based on our roster the last few years, that ain’t saying much.

  • willbest

    Cousins is playing coy. Its $24 mil if the Skins tag him. I expect to see him get at least a 5-year $100 mil deal with $50 mil guaranteed.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000778975/article/kirk-cousins-return-to-redskins-is-not-in-my-hands

  • willbest

    The NFL has reviewed the matter and the Dolphins did not strictly follow the concussion protocol with respects to Matt Moore. No shit? I am sure they followed the alternative guidelines for playoff football though.

    • BearDown100393

      Just a ding to the head. – POTUS

  • BearDown100393

    Chapter 3

    “Who gives a shit about the third pick in the draft?”

    – The Art Of Losing, A Cleveland Browns Biography

  • willbest
    • Sactowns#1

      LOL

    • MB30SD

      funny

  • BuddhaJoe

    You’re not wrong about a franchise QB Jeff, but with the #3 pick you can’t be reaching. That’s what leads to teams wasting a pick on guys like Ponder, Manziel, Tebow, Bortles, etc. when they would have done way better going elsewhere.

    • BerwynBomber

      Bortles could still have a Cutler-like career, but he took a step backward this season. Doubtful that Cutler 2.0 makes anyone think “franchise”, but it shouldn’t also make anyone think “bust”.

      • Cutleresque is EXACTLY what Bears are trying to avoid.

        • BerwynBomber

          Oh, I wasn’t saying we go out and get Bortles. I was just defending the dude as being a bit better than the Manziels and Ponders of the world.

          • MB30SD

            we already have cutler-lite on the roster. Barkley looks to be cutler-lite to me.

            No thanks…

  • bearfaninde

    And why would the Patriots will let a superstar franchise qb of the future walk away??. Especially with a 39 year old Brady as their #1. A backup theyve spent years developing…if Garoppolo is half as good as claimed, the ideal scenario for Belichik is for him to take over in the next year or 2. Also, its obvious he could step in anytime Brady is injured. Is there a contract situation that would force the Pats tontrade Garoppolo?

    • BuddhaJoe

      Agreed. If they’re willing to let him go, he ain’t the guy. If Pace traded anything more than a 3rd for him he should be sent out of town via cannon.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      i see your point, however Pats have also most likely talked to Brady on how long he wants to play. Brady has already said in media that he wants to play for another 10 years. Considering Brady’s health history, the fact he has not shown any let down in play, and the fact that Brady does not get sacked a lot in their offense, the Pats are most likely more than willing to roll with him for a couple more years if Brady wants to play.

      Also Garoppolo is on his final year of his contract and Pats are well aware there is interest in him and probably won’t sign as a backup after next year. So in typical Pats fashion they are willing to trade him while they can get value. The Patriots seem to be constantly drafting QBs in the middle rounds, Brissett last year. They did not expect him to play his rookie year, maybe they really like his potential. Having a extra 1st/2nd round pick this year they may have their eyes on a QB in this draft that they expect to fall.

      • BearDown100393

        Brady’s next injury will be his last.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          that’s true of a lot of players. But do you sign a guy to a $15+ million deal to be the backup to your HOF QB? $15+ mill is on the conservative side. Also there is no guarantee that Garoppolo will even sign especially since you know QBs have egos and want to play.

      • Yeah, no one knows the inner workings at Pat’s Land.

        What if Brady wins SB and says, fuck it. I’m out!

        Never know.

        If Brady indeed told Bill I’m good till 50, I think they def trade Garrapolo.

        They’re shrewd like that.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          even if Brady says he is good for 2 more years you trade Garoppolo. Then use one of the picks you get for him on a QB. Bill played a year with Cassel and won 10 games, I am pretty sure he can go a couple years in that division with a crappy QB and still make the playoffs.

          One thing I liked hearing from Pace last offseason was that ideally you draft a QB every year some years it doesn’t work out to draft a QB. Thats what the Pats do.

      • bearfaninde

        Thanks!!! Lot of good points….

  • Game of Breath (GP)

    Saigon…. shit…. I’m still only in Saigon….

    http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/25/14390300/apocalypse-now-game-kickstarter-crowd-funded-francis-ford-coppola

    Francis should make it for the Playstation VR. Fat Brando would look insane in VR.

  • BerwynBomber

    Speaking of the Drake (via DBB’s new logo), its famous Cape Cod Room closed after 83 years at the end of the past year. Here is a decent piece on it.

    http://abc7chicago.com/food/cape-cod-room-in-drake-hotel-to-close-after-83-years/1677022/

  • Doc Nitty

    Just wanted to say…..I love you guys.

    I have not forsaken you. Nor the Beloved.

    Hope all are well in my favorite tavern.

    BEAR DOWN

    • CanadaBear

      Just on your way to the kitchen for more sustenance before going back into the sex cave?

      • Doc Nitty

        Exactly. Oh and, I moved in with my Lovely. I didn’t want to move that fast but if I hadn’t, she’d have been out in the street. So now I look back fondly on the mellow days of having 3 kids. That’s right, this brilliant guy just inherited 3 more. Thanks god the nights are so grand. Between the job, the kids (ages 3,4,5,8,8, 11), helping out around the house, constantly stoking the woodstove and hauling in wood, and epic sex, I don’t sit down until about 9 PM every day and that’s in bed where my daily sexercise regimen begins. Da blog has unfortunately become a luxury I don’t have time for. That and the NFL has seriously lost a lot of it’s magic to me. Sad but true.

        #GluttonForPunishment
        #SoTired
        #NeverBeenHappier
        #Down30LBS

    • Doc Nitty

      Exactly. Oh and, I moved in with my Lovely. I didn’t want to move that fast but if I hadn’t, she’d have been out in the street. So now I look back fondly on the mellow days of having 3 kids. That’s right, this brilliant guy just inherited 3 more. Thanks god the nights are so grand. Between the job, the kids (ages 3,4,5,8,8, 11), helping out around the house, constantly stoking the woodstove and hauling in wood, and epic sex, I don’t sit down until about 9 PM every day and that’s in bed where my daily sexercise regimen begins. Da blog has unfortunately become a luxury I don’t have time for. That and the NFL has seriously lost a lot of it’s magic to me. Sad but true.

      #GluttonForPunishment
      #SoTired
      #NeverBeenHappier

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        Holy Fucking Shit Doc! I’m somewhat shitting myself thinking about the pending arrival of #1 for me. (Wife’s due March 3). 6 has to be something completely different. Holy cow. Sounds like you are happy though and that is the most important thing.

        • Doc Nitty

          Congrats, mang. Yeah….I shit myself daily. If each kid leaves 2-3 things on the floor, the house goes from clean to chaos in no time flat. And the noise. Oh god the noise!!! Kids don’t wait until the next one is finished talking, they just get louder and louder until the house is filled with dropped shoes, toys, trash and layers of loudness.

          This morning, our ONE bathroom was occupied, so some genius kid went outside and pissed right on the front porch. Couldn’t even walk the extra 5 steps to the grass. It’s like they try to one-up eachother daily in how pissed and flabergasted they can get me. I shake my head so often I must look like a walking grand-mal seizure.

          #ThankGodForWeed

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  • Jeff seems to think that we’re an avg team.

    We’re a BAD team. A very bad team. We won THREE games. Oh, the injuries. Bleh. We were in many games but couldn’t finish. Found new ways to lose. 20 yd catch for 1st, doh, he fumbled it! Missed FG! Holding penalty! Missed WR! Horrible play calling at the goal line and clock management. And that’s not even counting Cargo.

    We need to at least reach league avg – 8ish wins – before even dreaming about SBs.

    That takes rosters not made of scrubs – of Bausby, Unrein, Christian Jones, Braverman and whatever TE we pick up from the basketball courts at the Y.

    That takes building a roster with high picks.

    Sure if you got a phenomenal coach like Bill or Pete, then you can work with less.

    Fox is not them, and one hard dump away from retiring.

    No one on this blog hesitates to go all-in on a REAL franchise QB, but which QB in this off-season is Rothlisburgh? Luck? Even Winston or Marriota?

    Which is the “Pulp Fiction” QB?

    All we’re left with is a bunch of B-sides like “Dusk till Dawn”, “Grindhouse” or “Four Rooms”

    They MIGHT be good, but they could also suck hard balls.

    That is why most of us are hard pressed to give away that #3 for a QB this year.

    There’s some that might believe in Jimmy G. Maybe even a few who wouldn’t mind rolling on Kizer or Turbisky, but not many are all-in on a particular prospect.

    And even having a great QB is not the end-all be-all of the NFL (see Marino), though I cede that the current NFL is def built to favor them.

    This season, and possibly the next 3-5 years will come down to Pace’s QB judgment. Pace is going to have to believe in a guy we all sorta doubt (whether that’s Turbisky or Hoyer) but hopefully those millions and endless resources at his disposal allow him to see something we don’t.

    • BerwynBomber

      Rodgers and Brees are also examples of the “having a great QB is not the be-all-end-all” argument. But they have also shown, especially Rodgers, that even if your team is mediocre or bordering on sucking, a great QB gives you a puncher’s chance in probably 80-90% of the games you will play during the course of a season. And in some cases, might even give you a shot to take down the #1 seed in the playoffs as the Cheese did to DAL a couple of weeks ago.

      But setting aside the greats, look at a guy like Stafford. He looked like Cutty Jr at times, but the last couple of years, he is efficiency #s are trending upward and he hasn’t missed a game in seven years. Also, in his eight years in the league, he had led DET to the post-season three times.

      Would you sign up for that if it cost you the #3? I sure would. Again, he’s not great. But he’s a solid top 16 guy at this point. And you would feel pretty comfortable that he will probably win you more games than cost you.

      So I think that’s the more reasonable hope. Expecting us to find the next Brady, Rodgers, Brees might not happen for the next fifty years. If not a hundred.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “a great QB gives you a puncher’s chance in probably 80-90% of the games you will play”

        Was Jim McMahon’s 25 game winning streak ever beaten?

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think it’s fair to say that we are a bad team that is probably three players short on the offensive side of the ball, and four short on the other side …. from being potentially great. Can we add them in the off-season? It would be busy, but possible. Maybe three from the draft … four signings.

      Replace one or both tackles, add a TE, RB and a WR. On defense that pass rusher should probably come witht he #3 pick. Another ILB and at least two DBs.

      No radical QB moves necessary, Cutty and Shaw are under contract.

      • SC Dave

        I assume you mean to replace Langford?

        • CanadaBear

          You never know.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I think that given all the injuries, only the coaches really know if we’re a bad team or not and they’re not telling. No way this season offers a true insight on how big this teams balls really are.

    • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

      We are a bad team. We used to be a PATHETIC team. Under Cryptkeeper, we quit on games, quit on the locker room and came unglued at the seams.

      • Yeah, but those last 2-3 games, didn’t it seem like the team threw in the towel?

        The D esp with uncharacteristic “missed tackles” –

        That usually means players didn’t want to bang into walls cuz they were thinking of Maui.

  • Jeff abstract:

    Find a HOFer QB or flush the draft picks down the toilet.

    If this is the theory, and Pace doesn’t deem any ’17 QBs worthy, then just trade away our #3 for two 1sts (this and next years) and stock up until there is a QB worthy of the HOF.

    • BerwynBomber

      I don’t think he is arguing that. Nor is he confining “franchise” to the automatic HoFers like Brady, Petyon and Rodgers.

      What he is saying is that if the Bears think that JimmyG (or some QB in the draft) is in the draft is the next Prescott, Rivers, Flacco, etc., he is worth two or three Jonathan Allens, Malik Hookers, etc., etc.

      So if he is there, you get him. Or in the case of JimmyG, if Pace thinks he’s the future, you don’t hesitate to send that 3rd overall pick to the Pats.

      • Depends on individual teams.

        If we were to drop Brady on our team, are we in the SB?

        • BerwynBomber

          Of course not. But if you have the choice of dropping Brady or Landon Collins on the Bears whom do you think would directly lead to more wins?

          • Naturally QBs are worth a lot more. Teams don’t give the farm like Skins for RG3 for a safety. That’s not exactly news.

            But as history has proven, Bradys are extremely rare, so should Pace just delude himself into thinking Jimmy G or Kizer is one simply because of need and opportunity?

            Or should he just be patient, draft a stud defender, and wait till he does believe in a QB?

            If Jeff thinks Pace should go all-in on a QB this year cuz we need one, then he can’t complain if that QB ends up being Turbisky or Mahomes.

          • BerwynBomber

            But again, I don’t know if he is arguing we should draft one no matter what. I think what he was pushing back on is that the #3 cost of JimmyG was too much (that is, if you’re a believer in JimmyG — I’m largely indifferent).

            And I also think that he was getting beyond the Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Petyon mentality or bust, which I think is smart/realistic.

          • But the reason why fans don’t want to fork over the #3 for Jimmy G (or more) is directly based on history (namely, Matt Cassell). So it’s REASONABLE to be skeptical when the precedent bombed so badly.

            It’s more radical and maybe even foolish to WANT to spend the #3 on Jimmy G or say Kizer.

            I think most fans would agree.

            The only way I can see is if Saint’s Pace had a #3 overall draft grade on Jimmy G coming out of college, which again, would even now be viewed as crazy.

            I get the argument “IF”.

            But most sane fans don’t buy the premise “If [insert QB] is franchise…then…”

            Majority of fans don’t see a franchise QB in FA or the draft in ’17, and THAT’s why they don’t want to spend the #3 overall, I’m guessing.

            Also, there is the very REAL option for Jimmy G specially that a team might be able to get him off FA for nothing after this year when he becomes a UFDA.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Tannehill has turned out to be serviceable and he was a 2nd rounder. If Pace can find us a qb on par with Tannehill in the 2nd or 3rd, I’d be OK with that.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          #3 pick, Cutty, for Brady? 2 year window at best. Nope, we have to get lucky in the draft in the 2nd round with a QB Pace has his eye on. It’s the smart play this year if Pace decides not to overpay for one with our 1st pick.

          • MB30SD

            yeah, I’m kinda here… pace needs to talk to whomever he needs to who actually has that skillset to find us the next Dak in the 4th or 5th…

            …and another Lam Chancellor in the 5th while he’s at it please.

        • SC Dave

          With Lovie’s teams? Very likely.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Absolutely. If you can turn one hamburger into three hamburgers with fries and a coke ….

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        So who do you give the #3 to? Would the Browns go for that?

      • MB30SD

        take it easy whimpy

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Hahaha

          • MB30SD

            speaking of, do you remember the ketchup in SA, the standard one you get a Whimpy’s or Nando’s? Stuff is so good… just not sure wtf is in it.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Sugar cain? Or is that caine? Wait…cane?

          • MB30SD

            maybe

  • Huge Bears Penis

    a little slow this morning.

    • MB30SD

      mole-asses

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Speaking of moles……I have a very reliable source that used to work at Beverly Hills Medical Center ER. Don Knotts and Richard Gere both on different occasions showed up to the ER with an embarrassing gerbal problem. This is a true story.

        • MB30SD

          when you gots so much money and you’ve tried errathing else.

          No fucking way I ever try to do some shit like that tho damn.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Don Knotts showed up on a stretcher looking like a shrivelled naked prune on a stretcher while Richard Gere was a little more discrete and used the back door……Budda bing, budda bang.

          • MB30SD

            : /

            …or more appropriately….

            : |

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol…..it hurts…it hurts…

          • Johnnywad

            The body of a woman and it’s various parts therein, is so wondrous and fantastic, I fail to see how the introduction of small vermin makes anything better.

            In short: How can you possibly do better than titties, vajayjay, and tight asses? I’m at a complete loss.

          • willbest

            And what if you are banging 9’s and 10’s for years straight? All of a sudden you find yourself at an Eyes Wide Shut party.

          • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

            I remember when Jennifer Love Hewitt was teling some reporter she dazzled her vajayjay. Shaved it clean and put sparkles on it, some shit like that.

            All i could think of was what a trip it would be to bang that silly.

          • Johnnywad

            As fun as it sounds, seems the sparkles might cause some unwanted discomfort along the way. But I’d be willing to find out.

          • MB30SD

            This is what she meant.

            I for one am sad that the VAJAZZLE never really caught on: http://catherinecoaches.typepad.com/.a/6a0115721d7bea970b0134865231d8970c-pi

            I personally think it’s faaaabulous! you guys obviously don’t remember me pimping it a few years ago.

          • MB30SD

            I am 100% with you my brother.

            And I tested this exact theory last night. I can unequivocally say that a spectacular female body in unrivaled in interest/appeal/desire.

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        I used to have relations with this super hot looking chick in college. Super perky tits, not huge, but a nice full handful. Insanely pretty face and a nice, if a bit muscular ass. Problem was, she had a mole on the inner portion of her left ass cheek not far from her balloon knot. Totally turned me off. Mole Ass.

        • MB30SD

          hahahaha… stewfish

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewtNc688pU

          Holy fuck maings… if it was like, on a nipple, I’d get it, but right near the bunholio?!? Who cares. (although, that is a strange place for a mole)

  • MB30SD

    Hey Canada…

    oooohhhhh myyyyyyyy: https://www.behance.net/gallery/35108595/black-white-fixie

    Liiiiitle aggressive on the angle. hahaha

    Looks like a super comfy ride for a century huh?

    • CanadaBear

      Brutal! I love black and white as a color scheme but they even screwed that up. About 20 miles on that baby and you’d be hating life.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Free mason eh?

      • MB30SD

        20? sheeeit, my shoulders would be toast after about 8. yikes!

        I don’t mind the colors so much.

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah, no kidding! I like black and white, I just don’t like the way it was done. Fixies would be a gas if you lived somewhere flat. I’m thinking my hands and wrists would be asleep in the first couple of miles. After that, I’d probably screw something up and hit the deck.

          • MB30SD

            hahaha

  • willbest

    Jeff is rolling with Cutler in 2017. Maybe he really is Irish

    • Huge Bears Penis

      why not? if they draft a QB don’t throw him to the wolves until Cutty goes down with an injury.

      • Sactowns#1

        No, Jeff said no drafting a QB, no getting a FA or trading for one. So that pretty much leaves it as someone on the team now.

        • SC Dave

          Shaw! HoF, baby!

          • willbest

            Barkley, Shaw, and Hoyer are all FA. The only QB on the roster right now is Cutler.

      • willbest

        I can look at the market. None of the top QB’s look like Luck and only Cousins is going to be better at QB than Cutler (though we can find cheaper options). So I won’t fault the decision to stay with Cutler if Pace ultimately decides that. But if that is the case I expect a Mahomes type pick in the 2nd who will be given a shot to do what Wilson and Wentz did.

      • Hoyer outperformed Cutler for much cheaper.

        Bears didn’t get blown out with Hoyer under center. In fact, I think every game he was in they were in it till the last minute or two. To me, THAT’s exciting.

        Didn’t have any of these Cowboy, Eagels, Bucs blow-outs when Cargo decided to give it away.

        why pay a QB $15M + for that?

        If we want a turnover machine who can chuck it down field into triple coverage or make wincing decisions, go with Barkley.

        At least he’s younger, cheaper, and perhaps more durable.

    • MB30SD

      I’m not.

      Cutler

    • Sactowns#1

      I would rather we hold open tryouts and get some scrub off the street ala Vince Papal.

  • MB30SD

    you guys like Michael Jackson? How about John Wick?

    Both?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUIObCgsfWA

    hee hee

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Nah…mj started something he couldn’t finish.

      • MB30SD

        too soon. yikes

  • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/26/trump-calls-chicago-violence-very-easily-fixable-and-blames-it-on-political-correctness/?utm_term=.4e771241855a

    Trump sends in the troops
    brothers shootin kids instead of hoops
    Rahm can’t fix nothin trouble getting loose
    ever on the attack now slip the noose

    • MB30SD
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Its almost as if the situation has been allowed to deteriorate on purpose in order to justify sending in Russian paratroopers…….nah…I digres…..it could never happen right?

      • One Dump from Retirement (GP)
        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Pretty sure the Russians would not send ground troops into Chicago. That would not end well for them.

          • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

            Happy Birthday zipperhead

            https://youtu.be/iH5R4tgGdDk?t=215

          • Johnnywad

            They’d be hopelessly outgunned the second their boots hit the pavement. Trump wouldn’t even have to tend to it.

      • willbest

        I thought the purpose of letting it deteriorate was to accelerate the process of kicking blacks out of Northern cities, relocating them to North Carolina, Georgia and elsewhere in the south in order to flip those states to democrat control. Oh and of course to hand out money to friends gentrifying the area.

        • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

          Excellent idea. We could start a REIT Will. Start buying up land between Rossevelt and 35th. Flip it into Condos and tennis courts. Make boo koo dollah.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Wow will, must be really slow at the office today. You have had better material.

    • Sactowns#1

      I’m pretty sure he just wants a civil war. An excuse to send a bunch of southern gun nut militia members into an urban environment where they can wreak havoc.

      • SC Dave

        I’m pretty sure you’re dead wrong. It’s Soros that wants the war, and his pawns have been in lock-step compliance since the election.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Say what? Step away from the keyboard sac, there ain’t a southern white boy alive that would go into a Yankee town to clean up their mess. Chicago’s chickens coming home to roost? Where’s brother Jeremiah when you need him?

      • Johnnywad

        Yeah. Cuz it’s totally under control. They don’t need any help. Especially from the bunch of “gun nut militia members” that make up our National Guard, etc.

        This might be the most wrong post ever posted Sac.

      • willbest

        Going to be a long 4 years for you too.

      • I’m curious what Trump means by the Chicago police being too “politically correct”.

        Naturally, he didn’t elaborate on it, and his team is already trying to spin it, I’m sure.

    • SC Dave

      Maybe he should use the guys that Obama sent to Poland?

      • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

        Can’t you handle it solo?

    • “Anger? How can we have more?”

      Yes, no degrees of anger. You get just as angry when an ass cuts you off as seeing the 9/11 towers fall.

      It all levels out…

  • Johnnywad

    I’m already tired of drafting a quarterback and we haven’t even played the Super Bowl yet. Sigh.

  • One Dump from Retirement (GP)
  • DaCoaches Mustache

    My only hesitation on Jimmy G is that he got hurt. This was his time to shine. He finally had a chance to show the Patriots and the entire league what he could do the first 4 games of the year. And he gets fucking hurt after 2 games. That leads me to the following conclusion: He’s a little bitch.

    • CanadaBear

      Don’t think he’s a bitch as much as he has Chicago Bears written all over him. Good chance he plays about half the games each year due to injuries. So Bears.

      • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

        So so Bears.

        • MB30SD

          So so soooooo bears.

          That said, he got fucking stomped… not like it was a random soft tissue or ligament deal that happened spontaneously (I’m looking at you Houston you idiot).

          Just bad luck… but that’s how we roll.

          • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

            If Bellicheat wants to sell the slave, the slave ain’t worth owning.

          • MB30SD

            I normally would say yes, just can’t tell on this one. Too many mitigating factors.

            But you’re probably right. Pyrite.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I tried to distance myself from unlucky people. Just sayin.

          • MB30SD

            yeeeeaaah, me too. oh well right.

  • willbest

    Portillo’s founder selling his home.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Dick-Portillos-Suburban-Chicago-Home-For-Sale-411531395.html

    $550k doesn’t seem bad with an indoor pool. Then again the driveway needs repaving so its probably not the only issue with the house. Oh and its in Addison.

    • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

      paid for with BEEF

  • willbest
    • MB30SD

      he should vagazzle

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Lightening in a bottle?

      • MB30SD
        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          He also has a gold penis.

          • MB30SD

            I did not know that (ed McMahon voice)

            You can almost see the winstorl coursing through his veins and eyes in that pic.

            Leave for Maun next friday. Pumped up… can’t wait to be back in the africa bush (not that type… well, kinda)

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol. Don’t forget your flashlight and magnifying glass.

          • MB30SD

            her or me?

            I know where mine is… no matter how small and misshapen :_ (

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Of all the animals you might walk up on, which is the one that spooks you the most?

          • MB30SD

            good question.

            I’ve been feet away from a wild, bull elephant 3 times. Once, one of the Presidential herd in Hwange in Zim put his trunk through the landy and onto my shoulder for a second.

            But I’ll tell you man… lions scare the fuck out of me. I’ve been charged by a big male because we interrupted him mating. Fuck man, that animal is HUGE and vicious. you can see it in their eyes. When you’re in an open top landy without any doors, and they walk by you and look you in the fucking eyes, man that shit goes right into your soul.

            You VERY quickly viscerally realize you are NOT at the top of the foodchain anymore.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Back in the day, it was very unwise to tour the bush without your rover being in full lock down mode. Fack that shit man, I’m going full cavlar if I go back.

          • MB30SD

            stop it. My dad tells stories of him and his friends going into the bush with just sleeping bags. Putting up camp, the guy that was supposed to be on watch falling asleep and the next morning they all woke up and there were lion track all around and through and between their sleeping bags. That’s the real deal right there.

            Moral of the story… you have south african blood… Stop being a pussy.

            Those experience I just mentioned were highlights of my life. Those amazing close encounters with massive, wild, and potenitally deadly animals in my homeland always stick out in my mind. I hope for them every time I go into the bush… I’ve done all the normal shit many times over, so those close encounters are what I look for now.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Well, I was only 10.

          • MB30SD

            you ain’t 10 no mo… pull your big boy pants up and go soak up your munterlandt!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol. I don’t run as fast as I used to. I’m installing claymores at base camp.

          • MB30SD

            smh

          • Huge Bears Penis

            shit man, you would be pissed and charge if a group of people interrupted you ‘mating’. unless you are into the whole voyeurism thing.

          • MB30SD

            Fair point

  • MB30SD

    you guys will find this interesting… data, I’all assume you’ve already read it (or contributed): http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18544124/ranking-greatest-qb-seasons-nfl-history

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      What? Horsemouth didn’t make the cut? I’m speechless!

      #1

    • willbest

      WTF… Ditka is 24th? Grimus beat him out? F that noise.

      • MB30SD

        lame

    • BerwynBomber

      The only HC McCarthy should be ranked ahead of is Switzer.

      • MB30SD

        Switzer was a badass

  • willbest

    Biggsy off today. Perhaps he didn’t have his second breakfast

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/blog/ct-bears-mailbag-jay-cutler-alshon-jeffery-20170126-story.html

    1) Jay Cutler’s contract contains a clause that allows the Bears to bonus out money to him whenever they want. The Bears absolutely can use this to give “cash” consideration with Cutler

    2) There is a good chance Brandon Marshall isn’t a Jet.

    3) I get how critical the QB situation is, and yes the Browns could have had Wentz. They also could have been holding the #2 and watched the Rams draft Wentz leaving them Goff. Nobody wants to talk about how stupid the Rams look for their Goff move or the Skins for their RG3.

    4) As I have explained elsewhere. Tyrod Taylor’s deal is very team friendly, if you look at it beyond this year. I don’t know why Biggsy and others are unwilling to examine contracts pursuant to NFL norms where QB’s get 2 years guaranteed. If the Bills option out of Taylor’s contract, he will make more money with some other team than he will under that contract. Oh and if they release him from his contract, they can’t turn around and tag him. So they are in a bidding war.

    • MB30SD

      1) Doooooonnnn’tttt caaaaaaaarrrrrreeeee!

      2) Doooooonnnn’tttt caaaaaaaarrrrrreeeee! He isn’t for a reason. Guy’s a fucking cancer. (makes me sad to say, because I loved him in a bears uni)

      3) Browns WILL draft RG IV, they can’t help themselves… and they have 2 firsts… both of which they’ll botch

      4) I’d be cool giving tyrod a flyer is the price was right (i.e., cheap and incentive laden)

      • willbest

        If Tyrod Taylor hits FA he will making 18+ million a year and $40 million guaranteed. He like Cousins, has a very good QBR the last 2 years. And unlike Cousins he is throwing it to random people off the street.

        • MB30SD

          yeah, better than anything we gots.

          • willbest

            My point is there is no cheap and incentive laden. The guy has 30 games on his resume and proved he has the goods to not just start in the NFL but to play a highly efficient game in the NFL. Those types of QB’s get paid.

          • MB30SD

            well, I’m in if we can fit the bill.

          • Malice Halice

            Tyrod is an IDEAL option for us. I been saying that for a Lil while. THEN we can take R. Incognito. Then draft a savage Safety with the 3rd.

          • willbest

            He would be, but the Bills are going to pick up his option. Incidentally, if I am trading my #3 for a QB, I am calling up the Bills and offering it to them for Tyrod. Not calling the Pats.

          • Malice Halice

            Due to the Brock effect?

          • willbest

            I don’t trust NE to start with, and then yes. Jimmy has a 1.75 game resume, and Tyrod has a 29 game resume. Brock at least play 5-6 games. Jimmy is Matt Flynn territory.

          • Yes, and Tyrod didn’t exactly play for offensive geniuses at Buff.

            He also learned behind Flacco in the Ravens system before that, so gotta think he has a decent IQ to learn and excel in our system.

          • I’d prefer Tyrod over Jimmy G too.

            I just can’t shake the Cassell precedent.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Cassell did go 10-5 with the Chiefs and was a probowler one year. Then injuries killed him in KC.

          • Do we need another OG?
            Sitton/Long/Kush/Larsen don’t seem too shabby.

            We need a better swing OT. We all saw what happened when Massie missed a few games, and god forbid Leno goes down.

        • But isn’t Tyrod more inj prone too?

          • willbest

            He miss 2 games in 2014, I don’t know why. He missed 1 game this year (the last one). He had been playing through his injuries, but I think because Buffalo was eliminated they decided there was no point and risking him being F’d up even more.

      • Johnnywad

        There’s no better spot to pick than RIGHT after the Browns. It’s the catbird seat.

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha, yep

    • BearDown100393

      Brandon Marshall isn’t [fill-in-the-blank].

      • MB30SD

        sane

        • BearDown100393

          He is a giant douche. And terrible on television.

          • MB30SD

            I’ve never seen him on TV. He can’t be worse than #21

          • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

            He is. On Inside the NFL he is unhinged.

          • MB30SD

            huh. Man, woodson is rough.

            Maybe it’s just the really deep voice, but I can’t listen to him for more than 5ish minutes.

          • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

            BM has this stupid fro and all he talks about with Boomer and Phil Simms is how he is battling his inner demons.

            Every damn week he talks about his bipolar disorder.

            Dude is whacked in the head.

          • BearDown100393

            You summed up it up perfectly. The entire cast looks uncomfortable with his antics. Carrying Reed over his shoulder was weird also.

          • BerwynBomber

            He has to keep selling his bipolar disorder. Otherwise, he’s just another wife-beater in the NFL.

          • Dunno. Maybe he inspires other Bi-Polars out there to NOT pick up an M16 and go postal.

            Considering the other jack asses on TV, that’s not too bad of a trade off.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t mind Woodson in the studio, but he’s not that good. Nor is the new Hasselback. To me they’re dismissibly non-offensive.

            Both Dilfer and Moss are good, though Dilfer can wear after awhile.

          • MB30SD

            Love moss for some reason. Love his accent for some reason

          • Woodson reminds me of Kermit the frog for some reason. Maybe it’s the tie or whatever it’s called plust voice

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Gonna miss football?

    • BerwynBomber

      Paywall … sigh …

    • What would prevent Ryan Pace from drafting a safety No. 3? — @fatsrogers

      Nothing would necessarily stop him from doing that but history tells us it would be extremely rare. You have to go back to 1991 to find the last time a safety was selected that high in the draft. That is when the Browns used the No. 2 pick on Eric Turner, the highest-drafted defensive back of all-time. There have been two safeties selected No. 5 in recent years. That is where the Chiefs got Eric Berry in 2010 and that’s also the position the Redskins were at in 2004 when they chose Sean Taylor. I think it’s fair to say that Mark Barron (No. 7 overall in 20102) and LaRon Landry (No. 6 overall in 2007) were busts. Pace was in the Saints’ front office in 2013 when they used the No. 15 pick on safety Kenny Vaccaro. That turned out to be mostly a dud for New Orleans. It’s possible the Bears could go with a defensive back at No. 3 but that is not a position I would focus on right now. Maybe the thinking is a little different after the combine. – Biggsy

      I do wonder if Pace’s experience with Vaccaro sours him on drafting a S so high.
      Everyone at that time thought Vaccaro was a slam-dunk PBer, and he was benched in his career and nearly cut (though I think he’s become better as of late).

      But really, is there much diff with the #5 or #3 pick? Not much.

      If Garrett and Allen are off the board, then I think it’s a no brainer. Hooker at #3.

      However, it would be ideal to trade down and still draft Hooker, or worst case scenario, Thomas or Adams.

  • MB30SD
    • MB30SD

      man, he used to be a bad ass, wtf happened to that guy. smh.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Booze…?

        • MB30SD

          Yeah, and crazy

          • AlbertInTucson

            But he just got himself another Oscar Nomination for “Hacksaw Ridge”.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Of course, they’ve cheapened that by handing out 10 these days.

          • Johnnywad

            That movie any good?

  • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

    Jay Cutler plus $2 million for Mo Wilkerson and Christian Hackenberg.

    • MB30SD

      in!

    • Bender McLugh

      realistically possible? I’m down

      • willbest

        No it was a hypothetical in the Biggs article.

    • Tortured Bear fan

      If change Hack for Bryce I´m in.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      When does free agency begin? Bring it onnnn.

    • No to Hackenberg, but yes to Mo in that scenario. We’re dumping Cutler anyways like he were a fiber filled Fox turd, so might as well get something out of it.

      Only issue is, Mo seemed to check out. Gotta find out if he still wants to bring it or just wants to collect $$$

  • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/tweet-this-trump-white-house-has-potential-info-security-woes-abound/

    There’s Spice rack’s password, in case you wanted to hack his email.

    And we thought Hillary should be locked up.

    • willbest

      I doubt the press secretary is allowed anywhere near top secret information. His job (as it is for every administration) is to distract the press.

      Trump using his iphone or android (stories vary) for tweeting, is more concerning unless he is carrying 2 devices. Obama was carrying around a couple in the beginning. Wish we had a press more concerned with getting facts, than acting all butt hurt because the AP didn’t get asked the first question.

      • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

        Mental exercise:

        What would you have to see from Trump’s tweets to immediately think “the account was hacked”?

        Off hand, there is nothing so outrageous that I wouldn’t initially believe it wasn’t real. Ok, maybe if he tweeted “I secretly want Rosie O’Donnell to do me in the ass with a strap-on.”

        then I might think he got hacked.

        • BearDown100393

          “I hate my job”

        • willbest

          If he admitted he was wrong about something?

          • Johnnywad

            LOL. Dead giveaway for sure. Or maybe “I’m sorry.”

    • BerwynBomber

      Hillary being locked up was laughable. Unless you thought a guy like Paetrus should be executed.

      • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

        Paetreus was pussy whipped. He was telling his squeeze all about strategy and troop movements.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yup. He knowingly shared top-secret information unlawfully, and he basically received a slap on the wrist for it from the courts.

          The whole Hillary email server “scandal” was a huge distraction meant to give Trey Gowdy nightly hard-ons and get the GOP nominee (Trump) elected. With the help of the FBI Director it worked but it was mostly a lot of mouth-breathing over nothing.

        • “Honey traps”

          Like that french bitch from Braveheart

          • AlbertInTucson

            Sophie Marceau.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Also played a bad girl in a Bond film. “The World Is Not Enough”, I believe.

            Pierce Brosnan as 007.

          • Actually, I was thinking of her handmaiden, the one that said “Englishmen don’t know what tongues are for”

            Always bang the handmaiden!

            Don’t know if I seen that one in other flicks. Hmmm

          • AlbertInTucson

            French actress, Jeanne Marine.

            Current wife of Bob Geldof.

            SHE was DEFINITELY “hot-to-trot” and gave special meaning to the title, “HANDmaiden.”

          • oh, digging deep Al!

            Gonna google her….now.

      • willbest

        They could be cell mates for all I cared. Incidentally, the law doesn’t give a flop if you knew what you were doing or not. That is why it was so laughable that Comey “cleared” her. And there are plenty of people in prison that did far less than her. Both Peatrus and Hillary are examples of elites getting away with it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DUCK & COVER!

    Scientists just moved the “Doomsday Clock” forward by 30 seconds!

    • BearDown100393

      Was it painted orange?

  • Has there been a draft where NO franchise QBs turned out?

    I’m trying to think of the worst QB draft class ever, but can’t think of a specific year when all the QBs drafted were busts or mediocre.

    Seems like every draft class produced at least ONE franchise QB.

    Even the sucky one in 2011 where Locker, Ponder and Gabbert where drafted in the top 12 still produced Cam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_Draft

    What I’m getting at – History says at least ONE franchise QB is somewhere in this draft – just a matter of choosing the right one.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      2007 – JaMarcus Russell was the highlight.
      2002 – David Carr and Joey Harrington.
      1996 – No QBs in 1st round. the other rounds sucked.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    new thread

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