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Finding A Quarterback: The Roster

| January 10th, 2017

When Ryan Pace was asked what he was looking for in a quarterback he might as well have said “not Jay Cutler.”

We’ve come a long way since last season’s season-ending press conference when Pace talked about building around Cutler. The best quarterback in the history of the franchise missed 11 games and was their least productive quarterback last season. Pace made it pretty clear that his days with the team are numbered.

When asked what attributes he looks for in a quarterback, the young Bears GM specified availability and ball security, Cutler’s two biggest weaknesses. Cutler was intercepted on 3.6 percent of his passes last year and his career average of 3.3 percent is worse than everyone on earth but Ryan Fitzpatrick. Cutler has also missed 23 games due to injury over the last six years. The fact that he missed so much time this season, with separate injuries, at 33 years old, doesn’t work in his favor.

Had Cutler played well in his five games last year, it might be a different story. Here’s how the QBs stacked up overall:

  • Cutler starts: Bears scored 5.2 fewer points and averaged 23.6 fewer passing yards than their opponents allowed for the season.
  • Hoyer starts: 4.5 fewer points, 78 more passing yards per game.
  • Barkley starts: 3.1 fewer points, around the average number of passing yards their opponent gave up.

If the 2017 starter is on the roster, it’s Hoyer. Yes,he was the least accurate of the team’s quarterbacks. I charted him with 29 percent of his passes being inaccurate, compared to 27 percent for Cutler and 24 percent for Barkley. But it’s hard to completely discredit a guy who moved the ball so well. He topped 300 yards and had two touchdowns in three of his four starts and threw for 302 yards without a touchdown in his other.

The common thought is that Hoyer racked up yardage by throwing short of the sticks, but that isn’t true. Football Outsiders tracks such information and had Hoyer throwing an average of 1.2 yards beyond the sticks, behind Barkley (4.0) and ahead of Cutler (0.9).

Hoyer went against bad defenses and the Bears, of course, didn’t score enough, but he didn’t turn the ball over. This is quite possibly the top attribute on the Pace and Fox wish list.

Where Hoyer comes up short is the deep ball. On balls traveling over 20 yards, here’s how the QBs compared:

  • Hoyer: 5-21
  • Cutler: 10-19
  • Barkley: 7-26

During the press conference, Pace used the words “stop gap” when talking about the team’s future at quarterback. Hoyer is perfect for that job.

Barkley provided us with the most interesting conversation. If he were a 2016 fourth-round pick, we’d probably all be excited about his future. But he wasn’t. He’ s 26 and has been intercepted on a mind-boggling 6.8 percent of his passes in his career. Barkley has talent and made a lot of good throws, but his mistakes were killers. He has upside and is worth keeping around to see if he develops, but he shouldn’t be competing for more than a backup job.

Preseason heroes Connor Shaw and David Fales probably don’t have a future in the NFL. Shaw has a backyard-style that works pretty well when playing in chaos, especially with a bunch of guys who won’t make it in the NFL. Fales is more structured, but simply lacks the arm to play in the NFL. I’d expect the Bears to bring Shaw back to compete for a third-string or practice squad back, but little more.

None of these guys are the Bears future and I doubt any are among their top choices to start in 2017. Whether that guy is on another team’s roster or is available in the draft remains to be seen.

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  • willbest

    I was thinking this couldn’t be written by Jeff, and it turns out it isn’t.

    Hoyer is going to play worse next year than he did this year. Its like expecting Jay to all of a sudden get it together and stop throwing picks. For a short time here and there he does. Then he reverts back. Hoyer will too. If you go with Hoyer next year you will see interceptions, and you won’t see an accurate throw more than 12 yards down the field. And that is fine if you have Houston’s Defense and play in the AFCS. But we don’t and don’t.

    • DaBearsBlog

      In fairness to Andrew he’s not making an argument for Hoyer as starter. He’s making an excellent argument as to why Hoyer could fit the bill as a stopgap QB.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        And Jahns has also relayed on your show how POX LOVE da destroya.

        Hoyer’s only “bad” game came in the first half vs Puke. But then again, Vadgers was playing horribly in like a 3-0 3rd quarter game b4 Hoyer got hurt.

        Let’s face it. It’s going to be the Oline-Howard show going forward (see Cowboys). A time-consuming, grind it out, protect the ball O that gives Fangio’s D rest.

        • willbest

          I know he got his numbers against a prevent D, but he sucked against Dallas, and of course the second half of the Eagles game.

          • Wobbly Pop

            Lest we not forget his previous history in Houston and Cleveland etc ! Much the same paint drying work until he starts lobing up ints !

        • MB30SD

          I’m totally ok with that if we can pull it off well.

          • SC Dave

            To do so, we need more horses on the D. As many of us, especially you, have been advocating for a couple of weeks or more now.

            Biggest question mark in my mind is Trevathan. Given our luck as Bears fans, I’m assuming he’s done.

            So,
            FFS, PLEASE let
            Kwiatkoski become an average (at least) NFL starter. He may have a chance – got my fingers crossed.

            You’ve seen me write this before, MB, but if he can be as good an ILB as Hillermeyer and Buffone were as OLBs, it would be a yuuuge bonus.

          • MB30SD

            I like him Dave. I think he could be solid. A poor man’s Borland.

            Btw, not only was foster (bama #10) a total beast last night, but so was #10 (boulware) for Clemson. That kid is a stud too.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

            We’re all Bears fans, so I bet we all want a dominant D and power run game with the QB making plays when he must and NOT fucking turning it over like candy on Halloween.

            Hoyer is not Oz, or Fitz, Sanchize.

            He can take care of biz as long as the train is chugging and Fox get’s the fuck out of the way.

          • MB30SD

            HOYER THE DESTROYER!!!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I agree.

    • MB30SD

      here’s my thing. I mostly trolled with the 4 X 300/2/0 thing. you are of course right. He would have had a shitty game or two this year had he been given the opty.

      The bottom line for me is that we’re not getting our franchise this year (2017) and we shouldn’t try. If pace does we’ll all be sorely disappointing and he’ll be looking for a gig in a year or two.

      MY brilliant strategy, were I pace, would be to get a FA vet if one’s available (taylor, glennon, whatever) and then have a fucking camp/pre-season game battle for the top 3 spots. so:

      FA pick up vs. Hoyer vs. Barkley vs. shaw

      There it is this year… spend most of our cap getting the D and specials to bad ass status and patching the O with things like one more good tackle and a TE or two. and roll with what we got next year.

      In 2018, do whatever it takes to get the top QB you think is ‘our guy’ for the next 5-10. there you are. You’re welcome Pace.

      • willbest

        Here is my problem. Dak and Russell are lightening in a bottle. And I am not even talking about 3rd/4th round picks. I am talking about just getting it. Wentz and Mariota who both look like they will develop fine still gave you rookie performances.

        So if we don’t find our QB until 2018 (assuming it even works out you could get Goff). Then you are looking at 2019 for your SB. And that is assume you land on your QB, which isn’t a given.

        But the roster change in the NFL is so fluid that guys we have now aren’t going to be apart of that. Young, Sitton, McPhee are going to be gone. Even Freeman is going to be 33.

        You can’t build a team waiting for a QB. You have to constantly be addressing that position. Its why I hate the concept of bridge and don’t acknowledge it as a legitimate strategy.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

          There’s diff models that win SBs though. You must acknowledge THAT.

          What’s harder to do – build an elite Texan’s D or find the next Vadgers, Brady, Wilson?

          “Bridge” QBs have indeed won SB (I mean Peyton was perhaps the WORST QB in the modern era to win a SB, and that’s saying something considering PenisHead Dilfer).

          Would it really surprise anyone if the Texans or Chiefs win in spite of their “meh” QBs?

          Precedent says ‘no’

          I already illustrated how Jay’s ‘magical’ Gase year was nearly identical to Alex Smith.

          So there’s no reason Hoyer can be an Alex Smith type while he rides the Ds and specials.

          The problem is, we don’t have the D and specials yet, but that doesn’t mean Pace isn’t working towards that identity.

          • willbest

            You know how the question with Jay has always been even if he gets to the playoffs can he string 3-4 games together where he doesn’t just turn it over 2-3 times? That has always been the glaring weakness of the Bears since 2009.

            Same with Hoyer + Houston D. Or what the Vikings have tried to do all these years. That works as long as you never find yourself in a hole. And that is why the Donks won the Super Bowl. Nobody was ever able to get up on them and make their offense beat them.

            So yes you can win the SB with a glaring weakness. As long as you never find that weakness getting exploited.
            And here is my thoughts on Hoyer. If you know you aren’t going to compete in 2017, and you know Hoyer isn’t your QB in 2018. Then why have him. And that is true of Jay. You know Hoyer. Hoyer has had enough NFL exposure. That is why I like a guy like Glennon (over Foles). He could still do something.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

            QBs can resurrect their careers with diff OCs, on diff teams.

            This has been proven multiple times (Gannon, Alex Smith, Palmer, etc).

            Even Gase made Cutler palatable for one season.

            Birdcage-Hoyer seem like a good fit. Maybe with some more reps, consistency with O, offseason (remember, Cargo got most of the reps and still played like shit) Hoyer can turn it around like those aforementioned QBs.

            But, I’m with MB. Let him compete with Shaw and another REAL option (whether that’s draftee or fa) and make him win the job.

            If he loses to Shaw, so be it, ride with Shaw or unknown option.

            But ppl act like throwing near 70% with 2 TDs and MINIMAL sacks (much less strips) and INTs while moving the chains and resting the D for 4+games is a small feat.

            It ain’t.

            Not everyone can luck into a Brady, so gotta make due in the meanwhile.

          • willbest

            There was only 1 running touchdown with Hoyer under center. A 6 to 1 pass to run TD ratio isn’t exactly stellar.

            You say not everybody can luck into Brady, but that is happening a lot more lately it seems. Not exactly Brady, but:

            Wilson
            Cousins
            Taylor
            Prescott

            Which probably goes back to the NCAA divergence at the QB position. It becomes a lot harder to evaluate talent. So a lot more QB’s are going to need to be found out by luck until the statisticians, and psychologist figure out better evaluating methodology.

          • Wobbly Pop

            I like your thinking again ! No settling on Hoyer if you are not going to keep and make him your starter or he has zero shot at it . Bring in another guy for a shot at it like Glennon or AJ McCarron etc ! Use FA or trades and bring in a guy who just MAY show up and surprise like Steve Young did for example ! Guys sometimes have the lamp lit on a new team via a new coach or just age and life changes . But we already know Hoyer and it ain’t good !

        • Johnnywad

          This. Solid. QBs can play at a top level for a decade or more. Defenses ebb and flow. Offenses ebb and flow. But get that piece right every ten years or so and you’re in it. (See GB)

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I hope you’re wrong on the qb thing. I’m guessing Pace is going to pick a QB in one of the 1st 2 rounds. I’m cool with a trade down and QB in the 1st if that’s at all possible and I agree, it’s gonna hurt if we go QB at the #3 spot. Fingers crossed.

        • MB30SD

          I’m ok with him going QB in the 3rd if he sees a guy with big value/upside at that pick, but we better have gotten Hooker, and then a corner or a badass DL in 2.

          • willbest

            Its not like there isn’t FA, and if we get rid of Jay we are going to have like $75 million to spend.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I’m officially on board.

    • BerwynBomber

      It’s hard to know if Hoyer is a TO machine. He could be as you suggest. And certainly there is an aberration to his stat lines in his completed games for us. That said, he has really only had two years (’15 and ’14) where he played anything near a whole season. In ’14 with CLE, he played like shit; in ’15 w/ HOU, he played solidly.

      Which is the real Hoyer? Well, you could make the argument he is trending toward his ’15 performance given how he played for us. But as you suggest, maybe he becomes ’14 Hoyer this coming year. Wouldn’t surprise me.

      Still, he’s probably the best short-term option of the five QBs (including preseason) that we saw this past year. Would I still rate Cutty a better QB? Sure, but even though he and Hoyer are vastly different types of QBs, their performance analytics suggest they’re not that far apart. And when you factor in cost, age, health …

      • willbest

        Hoyer has never been a turnover machine. But his average is 2.8%, which isn’t amazing. There is also the weird stat where he is particularly prone to pick-6s. And I tend to think that is because they occur within 10 yards of the LOS. By the time people realize its been intercepted the DB has 1 man to beat.

        I almost don’t even care if a 40 yard bomb to Jeffery gets picked. It might as well have been a punt. Now you don’t want to punt on 2nd down, but at least you aren’t losing the field position battle.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, that’s a plausible theory about Hoyer’s pick sixes. Then again, Jay too seems prone to pick sixes so I wonder how his percentage of picks would break down with him. Of his five picks this year he threw one (Conte), though the PHI pick was all but a pick six too.

          And even in his low INT Gase year I can recall two off the top of my head (ARI and SF).

      • Johnnywad

        I don’t like him, but I don’t think we can hold Cleveland against him. Doesn’t seem right to treat another man that way.

        • SC Dave

          Hahaha … truth.

    • Wobbly Pop

      Agreed ! Hoyer has a history and that is a backsliding version of what we have seen this season ! Stop gap = stop winning and another excuse we should not except from these guys ! Who says you cannot build and win some games ? This will be the 3rd year under Fox and no excuse should be good enough for losing ! Hoyer if kept will signify they have given up on the season and are STILL doing evals and a rebuild ! ANYTHING less than 9-7 and they should pack their bags !

  • BerwynBomber

    Solid stuff and some interesting stats.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

    3rd pick goes…

    One drawback of Jonathan Allen is his somewhat (gasp) ‘tweener’ size .

    Allen is not exactly Calais Campbell (6’8 300) with brute strength nor is he Aaron Donald (6’1 285ish) with that insane Tommie Harris first step.

    However, Myles Garret is “only” 6’5 260ish, so while shorter, Allen seems at least naturally girthier.

    Also, I checked out Aldon Smith’s measurable, and he was not exactly the Hulk. 6’5 265 (though he did have long arms, which is important), so Fangio can def use Allen perhaps in the same way in diff subpackages.

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aldon-smith?id=2495487

    In some respects, Allen might be a healthy/younger Lammar Houston

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lamarr-houston?id=496794

    • MB30SD

      @ 3, um, no thanks… not after what I saw last night.

      If pace HAS to have a DL @ 3, I’d like to nominate Solomon for dave and I… instead of allen.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        Yeah, I heard Allen disappeared into double-teams on the biggest stage.

        Not exactly encouraging.

        TBH, the only two guys that excite me on D thus far is Myles Garrett and Hooker.

        I like that USC CB too mostly cuz he can also return and brings some swag, but likely he can be had later.

        Allen might indeed be Lammar Houston Jr but with more motor.

        • willbest

          I am rather okay of a lineman does nothing except soak up a second body. Its not sexy, but it creates mismatches elsewhere.

          • SC Dave

            Especially when you have two of them – Traylor and Washington come to mind.

        • Johnnywad

          Yeah I don’t know what to think about Allen. I’ve heard all the hype. So I took some time to focus on him last night. He didn’t beat any double teams, but he was drawing double teams. So clearly Clemson thinks he’s a problem. But he didn’t make any flash plays that I’d like to see for my #3 overall. BUT…….I am relatively clueless when it comes to evaluating DT play. Is constantly commanding double teams enough? Doesn’t seem like it to me.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

            This is the way I kinda see Allen – a young healthy Houston (with upside).

            Is that worth a #3 overall?

            Dunno.

            The NT traditionally takes on doubles, so the Oline won’t be able to double both Goldman and Allen.

            It’s tough, cuz like you, I hear the hype, but don’t see the flash, but maybe he’s a Justin Smith type. A grinder that does all the little things and allows everyone else to go crazy.

            It would be a “safe” choice in that regard, but Pace thus far loves his combine freaks in the 1st, and BPA rest of the way, so maybe there’s time yet for him to fall in love with Hooker or Thomas

        • SC Dave

          Go watch that Solomon Davis film man. He excites me.

      • SC Dave

        This! Solomon Davis.

    • willbest

      Houston? That isn’t inspiring.

    • BerwynBomber

      Wait, is Aldon Smith the guy that played at Mizzou? Because that guy was lightning quick as a DE. Allen seems more a power guy what little I’ve seen of him.

      • MB30SD

        not power through two guys sadly

        (that particular challenge has though… been ‘smashed’ by butch)

        • Johnnywad

          Hahahahaha……….Butch.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        Yeah, Aldon Smith was a very disruptive but “undersized” and vulnerable vs run/anchoring.

        Kinda like Floyd.

        Which might be why Fangio might want a Jonathan Allen type – a stout defender that gobbles up double-teams for Floyd or maybe even Mcphee.

        Maybe Bears looking for more of a Justin Smith type.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

    Repost

    So, been superbusy and honestly, I kinda just zoned out of football in general, for many reasons. Zest is waning, that’s for sure, and maybe I’ll take up surfing with MB or something in lieu.

    Anyhow, ran across this from Wallter Football. Interesting insights.

    Is Teddy Bridgewater (b4 knee) worth a late 1st early 2nd? I think my biggest issue with Watson might be the spread-only reads 1st-2nd angle (if that)

    Downlow:

    Deshaun Watson just beat Alabama in the national championship. in the weeks prior to the game, Walt and I surveyed teams around the league to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. A high-ranking personnel man on a playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. Another team thought that Watson still could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL.

    In this draft analyst’s opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson has been off with his accuracy this year, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He has missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson’s performance against Louisville confirmed the accuracy and ball-placement problems we’ve seen all season. He hasn’t dominated, and his play is not that of a top quarterback prospect. All of this illustrates that Watson still has room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. He did finish the regular season playing better, but that doesn’t make up for the struggles in the first two-thirds of the season.

    It’s worth noting that Watson is undersized compared to your average NFL starting quarterback. On top of that, he plays in a college spread offense that doesn’t correlate well to the NFL. Thus, he’s going to need to learn working under center and operating the huddle; he must improve footwork, and not being a running quarterback. There is no doubt that Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room.

    Prior to the championship, Watson completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,173 yards with 38 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He has eight rushing touchdowns as well.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, if he falls to the third round, I would certainly roll the dice on him.

    • SC Dave

      Look at that last paragraph, and tell me the rest of the article means anything.

      Watson is 3 out of 4 in “final four” games in the NCAA, the only loss coming to Alabama (last season), against which his Tigers scored 40 points; i.e. lost because the defense sucked. Add to that at least two ACC championship games, and I see I guy who wins OFTEN in the big games.

      Maybe I’m full of shit, but I think he goes first round, maybe early second. If we can get him with our second pick, I would take him.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

    The Destroya!

    No TOs = catnip for HCs

    Also, gotta remember, Hoyer did in fact move the ball. Our specials were shit most of the years, so it’s not as if he was starting at the 40.

    He even had like a 90 yd comeback drive vs the Colts, if memory serves. Not his fault no one our D could cover Hilton.

    His biggest strength will also be his biggest weakness, grasshopper.

    Hoyer will only be as good/bad as his OC.

    That last play where he didn’t hit Alshon is a perfect example.

    Birdcage assumed Alsho was going to be covered by their best CB + S.

    So, book is, hit the other guys less covered. Good OCs do this all the time. They don’t force feed their Divas in big games (ODB anyone?) all the time. Bradys and Brees are going the the HOF folllowing this Blueprint.

    HOWEVER, Birdcage guessed wrong. They did put their best CB vs Alshon but shaded the coverage to everyone else.

    And Hoyer did as programmed. 1st read/ 2nd read throw – no (strip)sacks-ints, but also in this case, no win.

    But I think POX could live with competitive games (as opposed the Buc games) esp since they obviously want to follow the Texan’s blue-print more than the Raiders or Steelers vision of a team.

    Obviously a great franchise QB is preferable, so hopefully Pace finds us one this off-season, but I just don’t think Fox (who knows he’s coaching for his life) is willing to risk his career on some rook.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Condor!!!

  • BuddhaJoe

    No to Hoyer, the guy had the best 4 game stretch of his career and he was “meh” at best. Couldn’t beat the fucking Jags. If they can’t land anyone better in FA, draft a new QB and throw Cutty into the fire again.

    • BerwynBomber

      Hoyer and Cutty are vastly different QBs, but in the end, they probably get you to about the same place in terms of results/standings.

      P.S. In terms of Hoyer and JAX, Cutty couldn’t beat Blaine Gabbert and SF the previous year. Happens.

      • BuddhaJoe

        I dunno, I think back to 13-14 when the D was dogshit and he was basically the only reason they won anything. There were a few times when the talking heads called him Mr. 4th quarter because he brought them back from deficits. He’s a good QB that makes too many mistakes to be elite, that’s what I’ve always thought about him. That’s why I wouldn’t be sad to see him go, but pissed if they dumped him for a scrub like Hoyer.

        • BerwynBomber

          Well, our O played out of its mind in ’13. Hell, even McCown was on fire with that team.

          ’14 was a disaster all the way around and Jay contributed to it in a big way.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Eh, but that was again the best stretch of his career and he went 3-3 against mostly mediocre teams. He showed what he was again in Tampa and Cleveland.

            Although the O, to your point, was playing better than the Bears have seen in a long time those years.

          • Johnnywad

            Seconded. Bomber get your self an Avi

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Cutler will always be a zero sum game.

        • SC Dave

          No, Mr. 4th Quarter because he piled up garbage-time stats against prevent defenses.

    • SC Dave

      They couldn’t beat JAX because the OLine got their asses kicked all game.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Net net, with a healthy D and some new blood in the defensive backfield, Hoyer will be a decent backup and possibly even a game manager until Pace finds his guy. Lotta room for improvement all around.

    • MB30SD

      jeeees!

      Welcome to the next year of your life will!!

      • willbest

        If Hoyer is the Bears QB next year it will prove there is a God, he is my God, and that he wants me in church on Sunday rather than watching the noon Bears game.

        • MB30SD

          all yours, I rather pray to strange and waves and let the rest of the universe unfold as it’s supposed to… with as much effort on my end to make it good unfolding as is humanly possible.

          • Johnnywad

            We have more in common than you know.

          • SC Dave

            This. Like the secret of life right there.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

      That’s why I think it’s important to (over)pay Alshon.

      This is gonna be the Howard show going forward. Need to at least keep those S honest for us to have a chance.

      I’m ok with 17-24 points in competitive games.

      We were dead last in TOs and prolly close to that on specials.

      Given how close games were with Hoya, gotta think a few breaks our way here and there could make a difference.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I’m with you on Alshon. It’s only money. Theirs. It would be unfortunate to lose him without a viable option. If by some miracle White gets it together, the offense could surprise.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

          There’s also the added bonus of rewarding homegrown talent.

          I don’t even remember the last time we paid someone we drafted a big second contract.

          Long, Forte before that?

          Fuck it. Might as well.

          • willbest

            Forte’s was during the Lovie/Emery era. Long’s was during the Pace/Fox era.

            You have to go back to Angelo/Lovie to get Urchaler, Briggs, Tillman, Kreutz, etc.

      • willbest

        I love me Howard, and I hope I can say Walter, Gale, Jordan someday or fuck even Walter, Jordan, Gale, but there have been plenty of Todd Gurley, Ryan Grant burn bright and short RBs.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

          Gurley was Fishered, IMO.

          But yes, the Rams should be a cautionary tale for us going forward.

          horrible QB – NO Wrs – uncreative OC = crushed HB

          I still would like another HB in the 4rth/5th, maybe one who can return like DeAndre Washington for OAK.

      • SC Dave

        We MUST sign Alshon. And we will.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Fuck Hoyer! I know some of you guys like cherry picking stats(MB) on Hoyer. So I decided to do the same. Check out this stat line: 15-34 136 yards O TD, 4 INT, 3 Sacks, 2 fumbles 1 lost. That is the last game he played before becoming a Bear, btw it was a playoff game.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      He has playoff experience? Well why didn’t anyone mention this before. Hoyer it is!

      • MB30SD

        hahahaha… beat me to it!

    • MB30SD

      4 X 300/2/0 fo EVAH homie!!!

    • BerwynBomber

      How a Bears QB performs in playoff games is the least of my worries with the position.

      • MB30SD

        hahaha… another good point.

        ZING!

      • willbest

        Go big or go home

        • MB30SD

          go home historically… sadly

        • BerwynBomber

          Let’s get in first, shall we? Then we can fantasize about Cutty’s cannon resulting in a parade.

          • SC Dave

            Like it did when we lost the NFC Championship, AT HOME, to FUCKING GREEN BAY.

  • BearDown100393

    Name a better “stopgap” qb than Jay Cutler.

    • willbest

      Cousins? I am leaning towards Glennon myself. Somebody that has NFL experience that hasn’t yet proven what their ceiling is.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Cousins wouldn’t be a stopgap, he would be the long term starter if they actually paid him, which I wouldn’t hate at all. Glennon I wouldn’t hate either but he would probably qualify as a stopgap.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler, I presume, is not considered a stopgap due to his salary. Same would be true of Tyrod Taylor.

      • Scharfinator

        Also if you can’t play the season, are you really filling a gap?

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

    So I checked out that Solomon Thomas dude MB and Irish linked

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl3EAGuIZLs

    Def looks the part. I had to research his size a bit, and seems more like a 3-4 OLB (6’3 270) than an 3-4 DE.

    As a matter of fact, some compare his physicality and mentality to….McPhee!

    So maybe he can do both, line up with his hand in the dirt from time to time.

    WalterFootball mocked him going from 20s-40s though, so if we’re lucky, might be able to score him in the 2nd.

    Which is why many are advocating trading down for an extra 2nd.

    If we trade down, steal Hooker, get a top 3CB and Solomon Thomas, we’re in biz!

    • willbest

      Alright Sonny, go for it.

    • MB30SD

      Oh hell yes!!

      I would be ALLL OVER that draft right there:

      1: Hooker
      2: Lattimore
      3: Thomas

      Who cares about the other picks. We pull that off (again, all things being as they are today or better re: each player come draft time) and we’re the bell of the ball. That would be an AMAZING draft in my mind.

      Achieve errathing else in FA with ginny’s YUUUUGE purse

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Picking 3rd is going to be huge.

        • MB30SD

          yuuuuge

      • SC Dave

        I dont think Thomas lasts anywhere near that long.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

          From what I’ve read, 20-40s.

          But he had himself a game, and if he blows up in the combine, easily could be top 10.

      • Alex

        Hooker in the first yes unless Pace loves a QB. I doubt the Bears can afford to trade down too far to get him either. He’ll go Top 10. Good (to potentially great) Free Safeties are hard to find. Personally I wouldn’t trade back past the Jets (if we want to be almost certain of getting him). The Jags likely won’t take him but they’re a threat. Titans probably not as I am sure they’d love to get their hands on Mike Williams. They’ll likely want a CB with their 2nd 1st rounder of which there are plenty.

        I doubt we draft a CB in the first 3 rounds unless true value presents itself. The reason being that Pace will undoubtedly try for one of the top 3 CBs in FA and should manage to acquire one. Then the Bears would have Porter, Fuller and Hall (and maybe Banks) fighting over the No.2 CB slot.

        Finally Solomon Thomas could easily go Top 10. He will not make it to the 2nd round. If he did I’d almost take him over a QB :)! I’d be quite happy with Mahomes II in the 2nd round.

        • MB30SD

          Honestly, as long as we get hooker and pace doesn’t go Emery on us in subsequent rounds, everything else will be gravy to me Alex.

          PS, didn’t we already talk about a better screen name… Damn pommys

          • Alex

            I’d love Hooker in the first round. Jefferson in free agency and the safety issue is resolved. Pace has proven himself to be a good drafter in my opinion. I think he’ll nail it. I’ll look into how to change the username.

          • MB30SD

            Agree about pace, he’s been even better in free agency. I have high hopes.

            I’m just not used to be happy about our first pick… Hasn’t happened in so long.

          • Alex

            If Kevin White hadn’t suffered with injuries I think we’d generally all likely be happy with him. Almost everyone should be happy with Leonard Floyd being taken by Pace (apart from the Giants – UNLUCKY!). Hooker is next up. As for the 2nd round Pace is an absolute genius! Goldman followed by Whitehair – STOP IT (and that doesn’t include the extra picks from trading down!)

          • MB30SD

            Fair points… ALEEEX the pommy cunt

          • BC

            Give me Hooker at 3 all day long, you can find a QB later if your team structure is sound (i.e. Carr, Prescott, Dalton recently) if football has taught me anything recently, you need to have an great foundation in place to set some of these QB’s up for success. Look at what is happening to Luck right now, elite talent but the rest of the team is dog doo, so he’s spending his prime years getting his head kicked in. How much you wanna bet that instead of getting a defender or O-Line help for Luck, IND drafts a RB in the 1st round.

            Side Note: I would really like TE OJ Howard in the 2nd round, i doubt he’s there when we pick, i have a feeling after the combine he cements himself in the 1st.

          • MB30SD

            Boom!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

    Since this is QB thread, has anyone watched Mahomes play? Opions vary from 4rth rounder to Carr-ish

    The low-down from Watler:

    Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer, North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky, and Clemson’s Deshaun Watson have been the big named quarterbacks with speculation about their plans to enter the 2017 NFL Draft. Kizer and Watson have declared, while Trubisky hasn’t made his announcement, though most across the league expect Trubisky will enter the draft. They won’t be the only early-entry signal callers. Sources have told WalterFootball.com that Texas Tech junior quarterback Pat Mahomes II plans on entering the draft.

    Sources say that Mahomes is likely to do his pre-draft training in Tampa, Fla. His representatives also plan on having him work with veteran NFL quarterback coaches prior to the draft. At Texas Tech, Mahomes was part of a college spread passing attack, so he will have to learn many things for the NFL like working under center, calling plays in the huddle, improving footwork, and operating a pro offense. Working with a veteran NFL coach could help to speed up Mahomes’ transition.

    As a junior, Mahomes completed 66 percent of his passes in 2016 for 5,052 yards with 41 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He also rushed for 12 touchdowns. His season was highlighted by throwing for 734 yards with five touchdowns passing, two touchdowns rushing, and one interception in a 66-59 loss to Oklahoma. Some team sources are intrigued by Mahomes, but others are skeptics. Even some of the evaluators who are skeptics acknowledge that the 6-foot-3, 230-pounder has a strong arm capable of making all the throws in the NFL. Scouts say that Mahomes has to improve his decision-making and will need development for the NFL.

    A general manger of a NFC team said they had a fourth-round grade on Mahomes, but felt he had some tools to work with. That same team has a 3rd/4th-round grade on Deshaun Watson, a fifth-round grade on Miami quarterback Brad Kaaya, and a second-round grade on Mitch Trubisky. Another NFC team said they had Mahomes low, into Day 3, and didn’t like him as a prospect.

    Sources from one AFC team, however, said they had a second-round grade on Mahomes and viewed him similarly to Derek Carr coming out of Fresno State. They were very high on Mahomes and think he could become a hot prospect in the lead up to his draft class. The scouting director of another AFC team said they liked Mahomes. They graded him in the third round, but don’t think he is as good of a prospect as Carr. Another AFC team said they also had a second-day grade on Mahomes.

    There is a big variety in the perception of Mahomes around the league, and we have seen some quarterbacks rise extremely high or fall much lower than expected. Thus, entering the draft process, Mahomes could have a high ceiling and a low floor.

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/NFLDraftRumorMill/12_1_2016#Soi488vwcRGY6ZJ7.99

    • willbest

      I have zero problems with Pace taking any QB he likes in round 2. Even if it is that southwest Utah state kid that supposedly has a 190 football IQ.

      But in the first round. I look at Watson and I see RG3. And I look at Trubisky and I just think that is too much of a risk. So help us if he is the next Luck, but 1 year of starting college… pass. Kizer… I think he is probably the safest choice. But then I think his ceiling is Mariota’s sophomore season, and not Russell Wilson.

      Too many defenders passing the eye test to want to look at the QBs with questions marks. And I know QB is difficult to judge now, and you probably learn a lot more coaching them in the bowl games and interviews than you do from their spread offense film which isn’t available to the fans. But its a hard leap for us fans.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        In spite of the “mediocre” draft class (no one can tell really this early), it seems like a lot of QBs declared, and they all seem to be in the same tier with diff rumors backing diff prospects.

        I’ve read a lot of reports saying Turbisky is the best, some arguing Kizer, while other’s Watson.

        Then there’s a litany of dark horses like Kaaya or Mahomes.

        We have a top 3-5 pick in first two rds, so theoretically, a decent crap shoot should be there.

        Also, this FA will be FLUSH with QBs. Romo, Glennon, Cousins, Tyrod, a bunch of other maybes like Garrapolo, Cutler, McCarron, Bortles, which should cut down on teams drafting a QB.

        In some ways, this is the best possible time to look for a QB in some seasons, or at least, one that is going to present various options, unlike last year when the Jets were essentially stuck with Fitz.

        • BerwynBomber

          Wouldn’t be shocked if Pace swung a trade for McCarron and then drafted a QB in ’18.

      • leftcoastdave

        Amen. Build the D, bid up Ricky Wagner and Eric Barry. Don’t gamble that #3 on a QB.

    • BerwynBomber

      I have only seen Mahomes highlights but, wow, he is a show. Looks a bit like a larger Wilson in terms of style play. But like most highlights — in fact most college qbs — hard to get a good read on his grasp and execution of progression passing. Also, I believe TT went 5-7 this year. Not a total red flag, but most of the top QBs are able to lift otherwise mediocre programs to above .500 records or beyond — Elway at Stanford, Brees at Purdue, Eli at Ole Miss, heck I think even Rodgers got Cal w/in a hair’s breath of the Rose Bowl his final year.

      Anyway, my bet is Mahomes is a development guy but he certainly looks exciting. Then again, so did Johnny Football.

      Guy I’m a little interested in next year will be Rudolph at Okie State. He’s got that prototype size — 6’5″, looks like he throws a nice ball and is a pure pocket passer who doesn’t look completely leadfooted (the way that PSU kid who played a year under O’Brien did).

      Bill and I exchanged posts earlier on the following topic, but as great as Rodgers, Wilson and Brees are, the safest bet for long-term pro QB success is still that 6’4″ or taller pure pocket passer, although we are seeing some recent hybrids who combine size, pocket-passing first abilities and some mobility. Luck, Prescott and Wentz all being examples.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        Yeah, there’s this other site which shows the good and bad of draftees. It’s not the Harris Highlight one, actually Data turned me on to it a couple yrs back.

        Might have to check my bookmarks, but they do a good job of showcasing a few important games vs quality competitin and showing both.

        Everyone keeps saying this is a meh QB class, but I man, there sure are lots available.

        I have a feeling one of them will be a stud. Hopefully, it’s the dude we draft.

        I could also see Pace waiting a year if he feels this roster is still to deplete of talent from the Angelo/Emery eras (and injuries) so maybe that’s when that Okie St guy comes into play.

        Of course, I’m an SC guy, and would love Darnold!

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, Darnold is another guy that fits that “classic” mold and will be eligible next year.

    • Big Mike

      Mahomes coming out is a function of the weakness of this years QB draft. General Manager sounds like he’s low balling the QB grades.

      Bears need to decide if any of the QBs on the board have a first round grade in their book. If they do, they have to take him. Even if he doesn’t show the value you want in a top 5 pick. Sucks, but you have to solve for QB when you can. Wish this year had a stud QB crop.

  • MB30SD

    NB, GP, other dads with older young kids: https://www.lego.com/en-us/boost

    Looks awesome.

    • SC Dave

      Legos have been the fucking bomb for 50+ years. Do it.

      • MB30SD

        Def, but spensive

        • willbest

          They charge 8-12 cents a Lego now.

          • MB30SD

            $50 for a small Lego item (car, boat, helicopter and some peripherals).

            The big ones like the millennium falcon are like $200

          • SC Dave

            Yikes. I remember one time calling too late after hearing someone ask if $200 was too much for (iirc) 57 pounds of Legos. Granted that was a few years back, but even then…

            Damnit I wanted to spend that.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      you don’t need kids. I put together lego models all the time. stress relief.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah, but you’re a nerd programmer

      • Sactowns#1

        You probably shouldn’t tell anyone that.

  • MB30SD

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    My guess? Allen is a day one, long-term, steady starter. Solomon ruins games.”

    Yep

    • SC Dave

      I guess Jeff got with the program.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

    So, some may ponder, in which scenario can the Bears reasonably trade down?

    First easy answer. Bills.

    No news that Tyrod is out the door.

    If the Browns go Garrett like everyone expects, and the 9ers go McD-Garrapolo and therefore draft Allen, then the 3rd pick will be the QB pick most likely.

    Turbisky and Kizer will be the likely candidates, and the Browns (who have the ammo) and Bills may want THEIR guy.

    If it’s with the Bills, we’ll get their 10th pick and, dunno, maybe like a 2nd and next year’s something.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/

    This will mean we miss out on guys like Hooker, Allen and Tarbor, but plenty of talent should still be on the board like the 2nd best CB or a DT like Dowell (or Peppers and Thomas if that’s ur fancy).

    We can also get either Kizer or Turbisky at #10 before the Browns if that’s who Pace targeted all long while getting an extra high 2nd and 5th or something.

    • BC

      I don’t want to screw around, give me Malik Hooker and lets solve this Safety problem for the next 10 years.

      • http://chicagosportssection.com/ kylejo

        Agreed 100%

      • MB30SD

        I’m sorry for everything bad I’ve ever said about you Dave.

        • BC

          It’s not Dave, it’s the Bean Counter.

          • MB30SD

            Oh we’ll look at you! Where the fuck have you been?!?

            Dave’s new avatar looks similar.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        I get that, but what if we’re still able to draft S Jamal Adams or DE/OLB Solomon Thomas at #10 AND get their #44 pick (there’ll be TONS of talent still on the board, maybe we get S Marcus Maye and solve BOTH S problems for the next 10 years, or CB Adoree Jackson) to go along with our #36,

        So the real question, is Hooker worth more than say S Jamal Adams + Adoree Jackson/WRJon Ross/TEHoward ???

    • willbest

      Why would McD take Jimmy?

    • SC Dave

      I doubt Allen is the first DL chosen.

  • EnderWiggin

    The Rueben Randle signing scares me…

    • BerwynBomber

      Just WR depth. I don’t think it says anything about whether they keep Alshon. If anything, Randle would be a “tell” in regard to a guy like Wilson or even Royal.

      • CanadaBear

        I could see Q coming back at vet min only. Even at that, they couldn’t possibly count on him being healthy. I don’t see any way that Royal comes back. There’s no way the Beloved are paying him $5 mil and somebody else will roll the dice that he stays healthy.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

      Thought the same, then remembered, it’s Rueben Randle.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      It’s a reserve/futures contract. No guaranteed money.

      It’s the equivalent of signing a guy to your practice squad in the offseason. He’ll be in your team workout, can familiarize himself with your playbook, and will be there competing for a spot in training camp.

      Most likely outcome: he’s cut in camp but is a guy they can sign off the street mid-season if injuries press who won’t need a ton of time to get acclimated because he already knows the playbook and has some reps with your QBs.

      • CanadaBear

        The article I read wasn’t any too flattering about his route running and on field discipline. Either way, it’s about as low risk as it gets.

      • Bender McLugh

        it’s the thought of him actually playing snaps in next season that scares me.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          I’m 100% with you there. But I also think it’s the most likely scenario at this point.

          • Bender McLugh

            can’t disagree, and Hoyer ain’t got no time for my stupid fears!

  • BearDown100393

    [Insert Famous Athlete’s Name] Girlfriend is Actually Gorgeous

    No shit.

  • BearDown100393

    Oakland fired its OC. Apparently it was his fault that both quarterbacks went down with injuries.

    • SC Dave

      Wow

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

      I was surprised by that too, but most Raider fans were ok with it.

      They thought their OC called overly aggressive boneheaded plays all year long that Carr bailed him from.

      Guess we’ll see.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Both starters kia? Yup, that’s bad ju ju.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    I knew a guy who knew a guy, and anyhow… took myself and my two kids to McCormick last night and watched Obama’s farewell from the floor. The back of the floor.

    Walked past Eddie Vedder. Eddie is fucking everywhere, he’s like the new Studs Terkel of Chicago.

    • willbest

      Saw Vince Vaughn walking around near state and Randolph once.

      They also filmed The Dark Knight around my old office building so I saw Christian Bale and a couple b listers on set that day.

      • CanadaBear

        I saw Billy Bob in Calgary and he seemed as miserable as you would expect. Said hi to Tommy Chong and Jamie Farr (at different times). There was no one around either time and both said hi and were very nice. I wanted to bend Tommy’s ear but got flustered and left it at hi(gh).

      • MB30SD

        We have sightings all the time in Cali. Couldn’t give a smaller fuck if I was a midget. See a ton of nflers too, San Diego is a nice place to live if your rich and only work a few months of the year

        • CanadaBear

          And don’t mind paying outrageous prices for housing. Gotta love the weather!

          • MB30SD

            Nope, worth erra penny maings.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Do they even still make pennies? More like worth every hundred grand. Lol

            I still remember the 300k cinder block shack in Ventura in the 80’s that I looked at, cracked foundation included. Smh.

          • MB30SD

            It’s prolly a cool mill now… Still with a cracked foundation

          • CanadaBear

            Not in Canada. They took them out of circulation a few years ago. Bless their hearts. I actually really like how Canada structures their money. The $1 and $2 dollar coins beat the shit out of dollar bills. Way more user friendly in machines. The different colors for different denominations is also a plus. Now if it was on par with US currency …

    • Bender McLugh

      Have you heard the recently released recordings of Studs Terkel interviewing random people about what they do for a living? I’ve only heard a bit and it’s awesome, can’t wait to hear more.

    • BerwynBomber

      Or the new Jim Belushi …

      • CanadaBear

        Ewwwww. Has anyone ever gotten more mileage out of a dead brother?

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Here’s the FBI report on Trump:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.esAZl5oooY#.oe3wDoEEER

    Reading the highlighted areas, some good, fun stuff in there:

    * Trump likes to line up hookers and watch them pee on each other. (Butch, your girlfiend could get a job in this new administration!)

    * Trump likes to insert his fingers into buttholes and sniff them. Yuck.

    • willbest

      Is that their avoiding the defamation suit apology for publishing 4chan trolls fabricated documents. I do hope Dan Rather addresses this on FB as part of his truth in journalism series.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Aren’t you a 4chan regular, Will?

        • willbest

          Good lord no. I love that it exists but I have no desire to see how the sausage is made

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      This is all a bullshit mind game on the American people dude. It’s called the bafflement.

      • willbest

        Its almost too perfect. Makes one think it actually came from Trump.

        • Rack ’em (GP)

          Buzzfeed walks right into the “Fake news” trap.

          Trump gets an inoculation against future breaking stories.

          • Bender McLugh

            this. *sigh*

          • SC Dave

            Trap? Buzzfeed is entirely fake news, isn’t it?

  • Johnnie Drama

    This is some of the worst garbage this site has posted. Andrew got punked by a guy on twitter who is a Cutler supporter and imploded to the point he is writing this disgraceful think piece.

    Hoyer is TRASH and has NO ARM.

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      You must be new.

      The worst garbage is a lot worse than this piece.

      • willbest

        No doubt, that title is reserved for what shows up in Jeff’s tweet widget

    • BearDown100393

      Wrong guy.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      what exactly is disgraceful about this article?

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        it’s based on what Pace stated he looks for in a QB.

        According to those metrics, Hoyer is the stopgap option for the Bears if they want an in-house veteran with the rookie they’re presumably about the draft.

        • Big Mike

          duh 🙂

    • MB30SD

      The name says it all… You forgot the “Queen” part

    • BerwynBomber

      AD loves Cutty too. He is just keeping things objective and real. Seemed the strongest piece yet that he has contributed to the site.

    • Big Mike

      Geez, lighten up. Nobody said any of those guys was great. Hoyer, best stop gap QB.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

        Some Cutlerites are still in the first stage of grief – Denial.
        Or in this case, anger.

        Later it’ll be bargaining “Oh, ok, playing on the Jets isn’t so bad…”

        • Big Mike

          I’ve been a big Cutler fan, for the last year or two, it’s because of the uncertainty of the unknown and how hard it is to find a starting QB. It would be so much better, if he would stay healthy and be slightly above average.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    This looks brilliant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocz_cmXtako

    I don’t care if it’s an urban myth – the idea of Liz Taylor, Brando and MJ driving across country together on 9/12/2001 is too awesome to pass up

    • CanadaBear

      I like the comments from MJ fans. All crying about being disrespectful to his legacy. FFS, as long as they don’t portray him as a pedo they should be thrilled.

      • MB30SD

        He was a fucking pedo.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Just imagine how he must have been abused by those creepy producers back in the day when he was part of the Jackson 5. Music industry is jacked up man, so’s the Hollywood scene.

          • MB30SD

            Dude, it was his DAD who fucked him up. That “man” was a cunt of an excuse for a human. There’s def the piece that’s poor Michael. That kid was 100% messed up

          • CanadaBear

            Look how odd all those siblings are. Nothing against any of them but they go from half a bubble off to out in the ozone. Joe was a horrible excuse for a human.

          • MB30SD

            100%

        • CanadaBear

          Of course he was. That was the point.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    What does family taste like?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_3WzxpdUc0

    Try the curly fries!

    • AlbertInTucson

      “The Chicken Brothers.”?

      • CanadaBear

        An ad for a business in the show Breaking Bad. The Biz was a front for a drug kingpin.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Thanks and pardon my ignorance.

          I never got into BREAKING BAD.

          Serial TV just isn’t my thing anymore.

          Pretty much sports and old movies.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I heard they’re bringing back All in the Family Al.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Didn’t watch that too much.

            Pretty sure that started out on Saturday nights in my youth.

            Didn’t stay home and watch much TV on Saturdays back then.

          • CanadaBear

            Breaking Bad and the spinoff Better Call Saul are two of my faves in the last decade or so. Chicagoan Bob Odenkirk (Saul/Jimmy) is a shady lawyer in both shows and is hilarious. BCS is a prequel to BB.

  • BerwynBomber
    • willbest

      Look at that. 1 year as a HC and Gase already has a coaching tree.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

      It’s supposed to be a deep CB pool.

      Wouldn’t be surprised if we wait till the 2nd or even 3rd esp since we choose at the top of the rds.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • willbest

      Rex Ryan… dooit

    • BerwynBomber

      So is Gase. Wonder if he reaches out to Fangio. Wouldn’t be shocking …

      • willbest

        Don’t they have a 4-3 down in Miami.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

          They go back and forth I think.

          And they’re dumping Mario Williams.

          I don’t think switching is that big of a deal as before unless it’s a complete overhaul like going from a pure cover-2 to a 3-4 Steeler D

          (Heck, even then, we’re still trying to jam Fuller into a 3-4 CB)

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd NeverForgetMe!(Butch)

        Wouldn’t doubt it esp if a rift really does exist with Fox.

        But I feel like Fangio wants to set up his own gig as HC and might conclude staying in chicago will give him best chance at that, maybe at interim at least.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, that’s the rub. Then again, if he just wants to DC the rest of his days, MIA could certainly look more attractive than CHI. Especially if you have an HC who is more focused on the O side and gives you free reign of the D.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    I’m not making up Kizer evaluation. I actually watch ND every week.”

    That’s the knock.

    When the competition stepped up, Kizer didn’t.

    He looked out of his depth against USC.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Has any ND QB ever amounted to anything other than Montana?

      • MB30SD

        Rick mirer

        Look on the bright side, at least he’s not from SC

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        remember how awesome Jimmy Clausen was! Oh man, that game he started against Seattle was great.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Rusty Lisch.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Joe Theismann.

        Paul Hornung was a QB at ND.

        Steve Buerlein had a decent run.

        Daryl Lamonica was a “Domer.”

        Johnny Lujack was off to a promisng start until injuries made his NFL career a brief one.

        John Huarte and Terry Hannratty are notable flops along with Rick Mirer and Ron Powlus.

  • Rack ’em (GP)
    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

      Who is that chick? If she were 20 yrs younger and hotter, I’d do her!

      • willbest

        Isn’t that true of any woman over the age of 38?

        • MB30SD

          Yes

  • MB30SD

    So fucking ugly it’s bad ass: http://uncrate.com/stuff/2020-ford-bronco/

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

      Looks like a tonka truck

      • MB30SD

        A bad ass chrome Tonka truck.

        Jes please!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

    I finally changed my avi, per demand!

    • SC Dave

      lol

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    New thread.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Please. Hee hee.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Pro Bowl is dumb.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

    • BerwynBomber

      The naming of the team and individual recognition I like. The game itself is worthless.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Agree, also.

      • SC Dave

        It’s a popularity contest to be named to the Pro Bowl.

        The All-Pro team, on the other hand, in the vast majority of cases actually requires superior performance.

  • Wobbly Pop

    Instead of using a stop gap I.E. excuse to lose player ( Hoyer ) in the position … make an actual attempt to win ! We have money and ammo for trades . Same goes for making draft day moves fpr players or picks ! The weight is placed on the team to draft a future starting QB this year BUT next years class is actually shaping up to look better ! So are we stop gaping for 1 year ? 2 ? More ? This years QB class has issues with none worthy of the top 1/2 of 1st Rd and most not even in that Rds picture ! It is also more important to finish the O line and invest in a LT as Leno has backslid in rankings to the point even Massie is rated higher then him and is headed up while Leno dropped to 53rd best week 9 and heading further down as season went on ! If then line is completely upgraded to one of the best instead of just the interior 3 the new QB then has protection to run the tem for years to come and the run game can flourish as well ! Leno on a good day is avg but he is having fewer of those and we need top tier guys who are consistent ! So ya sure look and work on the next QB but don’t get pushed into making a decision because the press or fans say it’s time ! Do it because the right guy is there ! Until then draft a guy each year mid rounds and build the O line to protect him and the defense to get the ball back !

    • Johnnywad

      A veritable avalanche of exclamation points.

      • Wobbly Pop

        Sorry but i skipped English and grammar classes . Truth is i skipped virtually all classes thus getting the boot from U of I and my scholarship went to shit for football ! LOL .

        • Johnnywad

          I just assumed you were very excitable.

          • Wobbly Pop

            Nope just a dumb jock who was even dumber to lose a shot at a college degree via scholarship because i thought i was just to play football and not attend regular classes ! Ended up in military instead for education .

          • MB30SD

            He is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • MB30SD

        Veritable

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

        !!!

      • SC Dave

        I was going to be snarky about that too.

        Return of #16?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      The Bears have to draft a QB because they’ve failed to grow the position and for obvious reasons. Pace doesn’t have the luxury to wait until next year imo.

      • BerwynBomber

        Curious: what are the obvious reasons?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          What the hell, lets just sign a juggling midget. Who the hell needs a qb?

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

        This is what happens when teams “must” draft a questionable QB

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_Draft

        See, Ponder/Gabbert

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Meh, those guys were reaches at the time and everyone pretty much knew that. You can’t tell me there isn’t a potential long term QB for the Bears in the draft. Eye just don’t believe that.

        • MB30SD

          Bingo. I like our other scenario where pace patches the D and o this year, rolls with the destroyah… Then next year dumps weekend at Bernie’s and does whatever it takes to get his franchise in a much stronger QB class.

          Fuck, it’s been 10 years of shit… Might as well wait one more year and do it Fucking right.

      • Wobbly Pop

        Understood but all i want is for him not to take a Rd 1 or 2 guy just to say we drafted so and so a high pick and now all the world can see we are serious etc ! If he is not crazy happy with whoever then do not reach and invest in a 2-4th Rd guy instead if that makes more sense . Next years class is expected to be better but in the interim the 2nd -4th guy may be better than expected or atleast a backup and we draft another QB next year and so on ! that is the GB Packers old Ron Wolf way and was the same for the 49ers under Walsh . At some point you have your guy but always keep stocking the pipeline with guys mostly in mid Rds .

      • Tortured Bear fan

        If so Tyrod T. makes more sense than waiting for a rookie to develop, doesn´t he?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Can we have both? See for me, it’s not either or. It’s all of the above. The franchise philosophy has to change.

          • Tortured Bear fan

            Definitely has to.

    • BerwynBomber

      Leno is way down the list of this team’s worries.

      • Wobbly Pop

        Only the middle 3 were ranked atop the league . Leno was below mid pack and falling . Actually worse than Massie who was improving . To say the OL is not on the list of this is not how virtually all draft boards rate Bears needs as OT is always listed . If you want the best results you need the best players at the position and Leno is far from it and leads to lesser results for the QB and Howard ! IMHO

        • BerwynBomber

          Again, the OL was better than any positional group not involving Jordan Howard. The DAL model would be nice. But you know what wins championships more often than dominant O-Lines? A top D and/or a top QB.

          We’re not losing games because of our O-line. We are losing games because of our secondary and lack of a top ten QB.

          • Wobbly Pop

            Again , we are losing games because of all those reasons ! The O line is INCLUDED as a reason not THE reason we are losing ! But is it not better to help Howard with a 100% better line than 60-80% value based on current players ? And is it not better for the new QB to be upright passing and not on his back or running for his life ? Is it not better for the new QB and team if that guy is on the field and not injured like what happened this year ? So again the OT’s and line are part of the problem for losing and a big part that needs addressing or the next QB with the team may either be on IR or end up another Hoyer style dink and dunk guy who never gets to the endzone and does that just to be fast enough to avoid sacks !

  • Joshua Cowen

    Gun to my head I would say Cutler starts next year.

    • MB30SD

      Deal!

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I actually wouldn’t mind that providing his replacement is on the roster. Frankly, it would be an ideal situation if Pace drafts a QB.

    • BerwynBomber

      Want that ninth year of Cutty, huh?

      • J Cow

        Not particularly. I hate our QB situation to be completely honest.There are no QB’s worth the #3 pick. There are none we really want to bring in from outside though I believe that they will at least end up talking to Romo and Cousins at some point. Hopefully they draft one in the 2-4 range they believe they can truly groom. This team is an efficient QB and a slight secondary upgrade away from being a elite team competing in the playoffs.

        • MB30SD

          I agree with errathing except the last bit of hyperbole cow.

          “…Away from potentially making it into the firat round of the playoffs.”

          Would be a lot more accurate.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

          This is probably the scenario I see unfolding.

          The only thing that would prevent Pace from drafting a QB in the first 2 rds is Fox.

          No secret that Pace inherited Fox.

          If Pace doesn’t really trust Fox will right the ship, Pace may just wait till he gets his own HC in, then throw everything at a new QB in the next off-season (while still building the roster)

      • Big Mike

        Didn’t say he wanted it

  • Sauron’s right eyeball
  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

    If he’s a good QB what’s the difference between 3 and 13? – Jeff

    The difference in our case is we can get an extra starting CB, S, DE, TE.

    • J Cow

      Secondary positions are really deep in this draft which gives me good comfort. They need a safety and a corner.

    • J Cow

      I want them to seriously look at Malik Hooker and Jamal Adams.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

        This is what I’m sorta illustrating.

        I see some mocks where Adams is actually ahead of Hooker.

        Not saying they’re right, but maybe this is a Berry/Thomas scenario where both Safeties are 10 yr starters.

        If they’re in the same tier, reaping an extra CB/DE or whatever might be worth it.

        In the end, it’s about getting the right guys, but our entire secondary needs to be overhauled. We’re not one player away.

        • MB30SD

          I haven’t even taken a peek at Adams and I def need to… That said, while most safeties are listed as “S”… In the 3 or 4 drafts I’ve seen Adams has been clearly listed as a “SS”.

          Thus, if you trade back to get him ostensibly (before I watch tape of him and do my research), you’re getting a replacement for Amos, NOT. A berry OR Thomas.

          I thought I gave definitions the other day and errathing. We do NOT need a 10 yr SS, we desperately, after a 10 yr absence need a 10 yr FREE safety… Like berry/Thomas.

          …Which by all reports Adams isn’t, but hooker is.

          I’ll do my research and report back, maybe I’m wrong about him

          • BerwynBomber

            Bears will have a new SS too. Amos is a depth guy. Nothing more.

          • Big Mike

            With a top notch Free Safety, Amos will have a comeback year. Secondarys to mean seem a lot like o-lines. They have to work well together.

          • Bender McLugh

            I sooo hope

          • MB30SD

            Not completely done with him. He was playing with a bunch of massive JAGs this year… Before all the injuries he was looking like he was making some strides.

            I wanna see what he looks like with a hof guy like berry and a couple proven real cbs around him before I toss him on the heap

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

            I thought Amos would be better. Lions and other teams were picking on him. He became a liability.

            And when Porter popped the ball out near our goaline and Amos just watched it at his feet while another Lion jumped on it, that was it for me. Amos is a backup which is why i would sign BOTH Berry and Will Hill

    • willbest

      So the talking heads had Kyle Long with a low grade and based on them we could have picked him up in the 2nd easy. But Kyle Long was a first round talent. Perhaps the Bears weren’t the only ones that knew that. So while all the public information we have says we could have gotten say Xavier Rhodes and Kyle Long instead of Long/Bostic. We don’t know that for sure.

      You don’t know if you trade from 3 to 13 that Watson will still be there.

      But lets be honest. If we were drafting 13th rather than 3rd we are still going to find 15 defensive players we like better than the top 3 QBs.

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    • Big Mike

      That’s not really true. If you have a grade on a QB in the first half of the first round, you have to take him at 3.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

        It’s up to a good GM to know the market.

        Let’s say Mahomes is Pace’s guy while the Jets want Kizer.

        Ok. So Pace trades down with the Jets knowing Mahomes will still be there while picking up an extra high 2nd (essentially a starter).

        It’s about risk-reward and maximizing value.

        Here’s my scenario.

        Pace hypothetical 1.

        Stay at #3 draft S Hooker

        Hypothetical 2

        Pace trades down with Jets. Picks up #10 and #39 (and likely later pick).

        He drafts S Jamal Adams at #10 and at #39 CB Adoree Jackson

        So is Hooker by himself worth more than Adams and Jackson (or TE Howard) combined?

        I know we’re sorta talking QB, but same logic.

        Edit. And obviously we’d still have our original #36 for him to draft whatever QB

        • Big Mike

          My belief is that the Bears are at a point where 2 good players are not as valuable as 1 exceptional player. If 10 and 39 are a great and a good player this is a dunk.
          But you’re right.  It comes down to the GM nailing it.   With that said my scenario could also be the right one.  Or a multitude of other scenarios.   For example turning our 2nd round pick into a 2nd and a 3rd ( more likely a 4th). _____________________________

          • Scharfinator

            I’m with you on that belief. Exceptional players cannot be picked up in free agency (hardly ever). Good players can. The draft is the best (only?) way to get serious studs who can start for ~10 years.

          • Big Mike

            This roster has some talent and depth on it. We found/created depth this year when ½ our starters went down and had 19 players on IR, 2 suspended etc. The talent is starting to bubble up. Howard, Meredith, Whitehair, Floyd, Goldman, Trevathan, Sitton, Long these are good to great football players. Jeffery can be in that group. Willie Young is good, Hicks is good. We have some question marks, but they have solid potential (White, Grasu, Fuller :(, Bullard) any, all or unfortunately none, of these guys could be playing at a “good” level next year. I don’t think all three crap out. If two of these guys make the ”good player” list that’s fantastic. Add 3 more good to great players like Pace did last year, we are on to something.

            My list isn’t complete, we have other nice players. Especially if they aren’t asked to be at the top of the ticket. This looks a helluva lot better than at the end of year 2 with Trestman.

          • SC Dave

            Kwiatkoski is one of the “other nice players” that may grade out as at least a reliable backup.

          • Big Mike

            Yeah, he packs a wallop, but was out of a position a lot. Good depth. “nice” player fits the bill. He’ll get a shot at getting better. The YR 2 bump.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

            I agree that we roster talent but literally everyone in our secondary can be replaced including Amos (jag) and Porter (older). And i wouldn’t even blame us if we traded down and drafted the top ILB after what happened to Trevathan or if they want Kwiat as merely depth.

            I wouldn’t mind either scenario really , staying put or trading down.

            Staying put we target a stud. Trading down we’re collecting an extra starter and depth.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

            I can def see that argument. Just in that case Hooker must become the next Reed.

            Hooker seems like a slam dunk then again Vacarro looked like a sure bet too.

          • Tortured Bear fan

            And don´t forget FA, Team has enough money to play E. Berry and other stud (besides its) before Draft.

        • willbest

          Pace isn’t playing a computer. All these teams are tossing off disinformation, and they all have their own stat guys, psychologist, physicians, etc.

          If he trades down to 13 maybe the Texans trade up to 12.

          Sure its his job to know the market, he is playing against other professionals

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  • willbest

    Chargers to LA? Really? Hasn’t that city already been punished enough by the NFL?

    • MB30SD

      Exactly

    • Captain Obvious

      All part of the plan. San Diego without a team means NFL franchises who want to get new stadiums built will be able to threaten to relocate there. Or St. Louis.

      That’s the idea: don’t saturate the market. Keep some cities teamless. That way, you can keep cities paying by having them compete against each other.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Bingo.

      • MB30SD

        Interesting to think about how having a super bowl in America’s finest city would play?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Don’t you mean in Mexico’s finest city?

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            The wall! Build it!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Fuck the wall. One day it’ll keep people from being able to leave. He he.

          • CanadaBear

            There’s a senator in ND that wants to build a wall between the US and Canada. Now THAT would be expensive. Not to mention idiotic.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Shouldn’t he check with the queen first?

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think Liz has much to say about it.

          • MB30SD

            racist!

            (but yes)

        • BerwynBomber

          The NFL will never do it (because it is not enough of a money grab), but I would love if they permanently rotated the SB among warm weather cities only with open stadiums and real grass.

          That would deter the construction of these hideous domes/enclosed stadiums across the league. My fear is this sport will eventually be played entirely indoors and to me that would be a shame. When that happens the sport will lost a bit of its soul.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            The shiny corporation on a hill?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      You can’t grease city officials as easily without the perks that an NFL team can offer. The people of SD won’t play their game if you know what I mean.

    • That Guy

      I grew up with the Raiders and Rams in LA. Its too much. The city has two baseball teams, two basketball teams, one of the more popular soccer teams and the beach. The beach (and the mountains, the national parks, Disneyland, etc etc) takes away a lot of entertainment money that might otherwise go to football. The Rams was a good idea and Kroenke seems to be doing it right, but I can’t see two teams working.

      The Chargers should go to Portland if they want a new market on the West Coast. Or San Antonio if they’re willing to relocate. Or even Mexico City if the NFL wants to expand. There is no good argument for LA.

      Raiders to Vegas though? That’s a perfect match.

      • willbest

        Don’t forget the Kings who have won the Cup a couple times lately.

        Portland is a bunch of communists and anarchists. I don’t see a lot of love for football up there. I don’t know if Texas, as large as it is, and as much as they love football, is capable of supporting a 3rd team. And I suspect Jerry would put his foot down.

        Quite frankly I think an AFC team in Chicago would be very well received. Plus the town needs a new football stadium (not that the tax payers should pay for it. F that noise, but two teams splitting the bill makes perfect sense). Bears are in the lease until 2033 but they only pay $5.7 million a year until 2033. The cash strapped city would let them break their lease for less than $50 million.

        • Rack ’em (GP)

          The city that makes the most sense is either Santa Fe, NM which has a huge pop growth, or St. Louis.

          I’d like to see them go to Lincoln. NE and the lightning motif makes sense there.

          • That Guy

            Santa Fe came to mind, but I wonder how big the market is even with the population surge. Could still be 10 years away.

            Lincoln is a big football town. They could probably do something on the scale of a Carolina or Tennessee. But are they too focused on college ball? I’ve heard that reason given why Alabama doesn’t have a team.

            St. Louis is an interesting possibility, and an AFC team would be a better given that there are probably still a lot of Rams fans there.

            But San Antonio and Vegas are the names I usually read about when new cities are discussed. Texas can absolutely support three teams (more football money in Texas than Cali or Florida and both of those states have supported four teams).

            One thing I’d like to see the league do would be to shuffle the divisions a bit if they go east. It makes a lot of more sense from a ticketing perspective if division games are driveable for visiting team fans. And its just easier to keep track of.

          • willbest

            There is a whole lot of low population desnity area between the Mississippi and the Pacific Ocean. I always felt the Miami should be in the south, Indy in the North and Baltimore in the East (and the panthers and cowboys switch) but that isn’t a particularly big deal.

            Raiders moving to LV shortens the travel from KC to 19 hours from 27. Better, but still not drivevable. Moving to Lincoln NE I suppose makes it tolerable for KC-Nebraska Chargers-Donks to travel (under 8 hours). But raiders are still going to be odd man out.

            Lincoln Nebraska is interesting. Its only a 400k metro area, but its only 60 miles to Omaha which adds another 800k. But the problem is memorial stadium isn’t up to NFL standards in terms of luxury accommodations even if it could never hope to fill its 86k capacity. And when in the last 20 years (outside the Bears SF nonsense) has an NFL team ever agreed to be second fiddle to anything?

            Santa Fe/Alburquerque isn’t the greatest idea. Sure it has the population but its not a particularly football loving demographic.

          • BerwynBomber

            In terms of Lincoln, Oklahoma City makes more sense as it three times as large as the former. But your point about Omaha is well-taken.

  • Malice Halice

    We need to draft D. Wat n find a way to pick up E Berry. I PRAY we don’t trade our draft position. Unless it’s for Tyrod n some conditionals. Avoid Garapollo

    • Captain Obvious

      Why would you trade for Tyrod, given that he’s an unrestricted FA?

      • Huge Bears Penis

        he is not a UFA. There has been rumors he will be cut, or available for trade.

        • Captain Obvious

          Buffalo is not going to give him $27.5 million for failing his physical, and they’re not going to give him the $15.5 option in his contract. He’s getting cut. I don’t know how that factors into the injury guarantee in his contract, but they’re not keeping him. Bank it. He’ll be a FA. No one will trade for him before that physical, either.

          So, he either passes the physical and Buffalo owes him $15.5 million, or he fails the physical and they owe him $27.5 million. They’re cutting him. He’ll be an unrestricted free agent.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            As of right now he is under contract. When it comes to the Bills releasing him nothing is set in stone. Stranger things have happened in the NFL.

        • CanadaBear

          If he stays with Buffalo they owe him a shit pot of money next year.

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  • Scharfinator

    Perhaps just this once, all NFL fans can come together for a greater good.

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    • CanadaBear

      Think of the children!

      • MB30SD

        tha chilluns!

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a nice take on Howard from his old RB coach Drayton.

    http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/bears-jordan-howard-nowhere-near-what-hes-going-be

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      El Howard. You mean we have a star? Shine brightly Mr. Howard.

  • AlbertInTucson

    dbb…”Jordan Howard, skip the damn Pro Bowl.”

    Yes, PLEASE!

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    If Chargers want to change their name I recommend “L.A. Women Who Won’t Talk To You Unless You’re In The Business”.

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  • BearDown100393

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  • EJStevens

    Hoyer is no stop-gap. He’s a backup. Considering the failure rate of first round QBs and the Bears century-long inability to develop young QB talent – not to mention their recent first round draft record, I would offer the Pats the 3rd overall pick for Garrapollo and figure out a way to wrestle Chris Hogan away as well. It’s a no-brainier to me. If the Bears had good QB coaching… And they don’t… I would definitely look at the draft. In this case, no way. At least Garrapolo has a small sample size of success and development under the best staff and starting QB in the league.

    • CanadaBear

      See Cassel, Matt.

      • EJ Stevens

        There is a risk in taking Garrapolo, I just don’t trust the Bears to pick and develop another QB at 3. I don’t think they can. Case language Garrops aren’t the same guy so I can’t follow that argument.

        • EJ Stevens

          Damned auto-complete. It should read Cassel and Garrapolo.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m saying once they get away from the evil genius/McDouche and start working with Nathan Lane and Ragone, what could go wrong?

          • EJ Stevens

            It’s a fair concern, but if Little Nathan can’t work with Jimmy, how’s he gonna develop a rookie who’s been playing in a read-option spread for 2 years?

          • CanadaBear

            Why trade the pick?

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      It’s a bad call.

      You know shit about Garrapollo. He’s been decent in the Pats system. So what?

      Brock Osweiler looked decent for the Broncos. Is he worth the 3rd overall pick?

      Plus the Pats want that and a 3rd rounder for him.

      • That Guy

        I don’t care if you put the Seahawks entire secondary on our team, you must have a decent QB in this league or its a waste. Give me a true 8/10 QB (Flacco, Eli, Rivers) over a HOF safety any day.

        • Rack ’em (GP)

          Well then it’s a bet that Garrapollo is that guy.

          Cause Osweiler is a mystery. One I think the Pats will solve this weekend, he played 8/10 last week. But 2/10 prior to that.

          • That Guy

            I’m not deaf to your Garrapollo concerns, or the Patriots’ history with system QBs. Which is why I don’t generally favor trading #3 overall for him. Not because of the ceiling, because of the floor.

            But the argument against trading #3 plus more for Garrapollo has nothing to do with what other positions we can draft. If you can get a franchise quarterback in this league you take him and you don’t look back.

          • willbest

            This is absolutely true.

        • Bender McLugh

          there’s no denying the QB is a must. What’s very debatable is whether or not the 3rd pick will yield that QB. Gimme da Hooker.

        • BerwynBomber

          Mostly agree BUT let’s not forget that DEN won the SB with the worst QB in the league last year — though Peyton played passably well the first two rounds of the post-season.

          The Trent Dilfer-type SB champs seem more and more a thing of the past, but last year told us it can still happen.

          • That Guy

            Okay so once a decade it happens. I’ll take the 9/10 chance.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I wasn’t disagreeing. The window is much wider (and less complicated to maintain) with top 10 QB vs. a top ten D.

            That said, even if an elite QB doesn’t solve everything if other elements of your team and organization are shit. Look at Brees at NO.

          • SC Dave

            Or Rodgers at GB.

          • BerwynBomber

            True but I think the Cheese are, at least, a competently run organization — it is just that their GM has an inflexible philosophy that is good for continually maintaining rather than capitalizing, and their HC has crap game instincts. (And both GM and HC are overrated.)

            NO just seems like a disaster. A bottom of the league type franchise that Brees gives cover.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

            Yeah, but how often does a Brady, Roth, Wilson come along too?

            I think the Bears have to go one of two approaches here.

            Either, they just keep drafting QBs in the 2nd and beyond every two yrs or so till one pans out a la Car, Dak. Wilson.

            Or, they must accumulate enough draft capital so that when that sure-fire #1QB enters the draft (Luck, Cam, etc) then Pace pounces.

      • EJ Stevens

        You say I know “shit” and then you start comparing Garrapolo with existing Bears QBs on a ridiculous 10 point scale with no evidence of your own. Do you really think the Bears can draft and develop a cant-miss starter at QB with the third pick? Yeah, dude, Barkley is a 7/10. Right. And Hoyer and Cutler are irrelevant because neither can stay healthy. Watching the games last year, and all three starters, I’d say the Bears current QB situation is zero point fucking zero. Bellichick wants a 1 and a 4 for JG BTW.

        That being said, I do like Malik Hooker.

        I’m more concerned about the Bears drafting the next Ryan Leaf or Cade McNown or Rex Grossman or Tim Tebow or Tim Couch or … or … The fat kid from Oakland … J’marcus Russel… or Johnny Manziel or RG3 or Trent Dilfer or EJ Manuel or Christian Ponder or Brandon Weeden or Jake Locker … or … yeah, I’d take Osweiller over those guys.

    • willbest

      In your fever dream, did the Bills turn your 3rd overall pick down in exchange for Tyrod Taylor?

      Tom Brady is 39 years old. If Jimmy G were a top 15 QB, Darth Hoodie would not trade him. Plus he is on the last year of his rookie deal which means you have to lock him in so you aren’t even saving any money doing this.

      And sure building a roster requires risk. But you have only seen him play 2 games, where defenses has no tape on him, and he got injured in the 2nd one. And those two teams? The Cardinals who the wheels fell off on, and the Dolphins who took 5 games to find their stride.

  • BearDown100393
    • CanadaBear

      There’s no doubt in my mind the kid is better off with #54. The kid’s mother is a piece of work to say the least.

  • willbest

    Tyrod was set to make peanuts in 2016, but the Bills weren’t sold on him and he wanted money. So he set up a deal where they paid him $9 million last year, and granted them the option to evaluate him as a proper NFL starter while providing them with favorable terms. That evaluation year is over.

    You can talk about $30ish million to Tyrod this year being too much, but that is the same trap this blog fell under with Cutler. This is currently what the Bills are looking at accepting or declining:

    5-years $82.5 million, $33.25 million fully guaranteed, $40 million guaranteed against injury. Yes Taylor gets a lot of money in 2017, but then he makes 13.6 million a year from 2018 to 2021.

    Now what pray tell has Tyrod Taylor done in the last 2 years that leads you to believe that this is not a fair deal for him? This is Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer type contract. Considering he has a top 10 QBR each year and averages a 95 pass rating, this is a damn steal in today’s NFL. And lets face it, they haven’t had the greatest OC’s in Buffalo the last couple years.

    His injuries were a groin injury which he played through half of the season and sports hernia on his core. I don’t think we are talking about serious long term health issues affecting his play. And he is only 27 years old.

    I would be a bit surprised if the Bills cut him quite frankly.

    Oh and there is off-setting language in his contracts. So even if the Bills wave him injured, which would cost them $27.5 mil, they would get that back when he signs with his new team for $17+ million a year and $40 million guaranteed. Because if you think he is going to get less than Oz, you are mistaken.

    • BerwynBomber

      There was no “trap” in regard to Cutler’s contract. He was paid as an elite QB. That was the problem. His guaranteed money put him in the class of one of the top five QBs in the league, and nothing in his past performance suggested he was elite (though yes the financial pain was felt mostly upfront, and the backend was therefore not as punitive).

      Taylor’s contract is sizably less. Even if he gets the money you suggest it will fall considerably short of the Cutty deal. (Over 25% less in guaranteed money.)

      Otherwise, point(s) taken.

      • willbest

        The only thing elite about Cutler’s contract was the 3rd year guarantee. But then he gave up a lot of money in years 4,5, 6, & 7 to get it.

        Oz signed a 4-year 72 million deal. $18 mil a year and $37 mil guaranteed (only 2 years).

        The first 4 years of the Cutler contract pays him $69 million. Yes, he signed it 2 years early than Oz, but there is no question on who the better QB was at the time of signing.

        • BerwynBomber

          Cutler signed for 54M guaranteed (basically Rodgers’ deal). Oz’s was 34 or 37 (can’t remember which).

          Anyway, they were both bad contracts, though yes, Oz’s is arguably worse.

          P.S. My take on Oz is his absolute ceiling as a player is Cutty level and I honestly don’t see that happening.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Just hard guarantees are meaningless. Look at the structure of those.

            Cutler’s deal meant you could cut him after 3 years. First year was wildly overpaid, but very reasonable after that. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler-2493/

            Flacco’s deal, for instance, was similar in length, total money, and guaranteed money. But the STRUCTURE of the guarantee basically guaranteed him the entire contract (and likely extensions down the line). In fact, he’s already gotten another extension. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Flacco’s contract paid him $45M cash the first 3 years. But in that 4th year, his cap hit jumped to $28M, with $26M in dead money if cut. That all but guaranteed he would get a lucrative extension after 3 years.

            Sure enough, after 3 years he signed another deal that gave him a $40M signing bonus. So through 4 years he got $89M cash (including his $4M salary that 4th year), and there’s another bonus in there of about $15M that might add into that (I’m not 100% sure). Plus his cap hits guarantee he’ll be around for at least years 5 and 6, with another $18M in cash.

            So Flacco’s initial 6 year, $120M deal “only” had $29M guaranteed, with another $22M guaranteed against injury, but in reality it guaranteed pretty much the entire thing, with likely lucrative deals in the future, at the time of signing. Baltimore married itself to having Flacco and paying him quite well for a long time with that deal.

            Whereas Chicago structured Cutler’s such that it was a 3 year deal. Thus he got more fully “guaranteed” money at signing in exchange for the shorter actual guaranteed years. He’s going to end up basically getting 3 years and $54M from them, and he’ll leave with almost no dead money on their cap.

            If the Ravens had tried to move on from Flacco after 3 years it would have cost them about the same money as Cutler for those three years, maybe a little bit less, but they would have also had to be willing to absorb a $25M cap hit for somebody who’s no longer on the team.

            And FYI, Cutler has outplayed Flacco over the span of Flacco’s new contract (though Flacco has stayed a little bit healthier).

            Don’t try to compare those deals. Though the total numbers look similar, they are nothing alike.

          • BerwynBomber

            Guaranteed money is guaranteed money. You and Will can try to spin Cutty’s contract as positive until you’re blue in the face, but Cutty’s deal made him virtually the highest paid QB in the league and was a huge reason why Pace wasn’t been able to unload him the last two years.

            It almost certainly will be remembered as a bad contract for the Bears.

          • willbest

            It made him the highest paid player 1 year, and this year he is like the 16th highest paid QB. And in fact, I don’t think over the last 3 years he even breaks the top 12 in terms of QB compensation over that time.

          • BerwynBomber

            The 54M guaranteed was the exact same as Rodgers. I believe, at the time, only Romo at 55M was guaranteed more money than Cutler’s. Cutler’s contract was basically the second or third richest in league history.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I’m not saying if it’s positive or negative. I’m saying it’s significantly different than most other big QB deals. Ignoring that to make your argument is just plain wrong.

            Cutler’s deal massively overpaid him for one year, and then paid him in line with his standing as an average QB for 2 years. It will almost certainly end or be shipped to another team this offseason, making that the entirety of it for the Bears. It was awful for that one year, but that was the price of not having it tie them down long term.

  • Rack ’em (GP)
    • SC Dave

      Huff post is irrelevant.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        You tell em Dave! Fake News!

        Nevertheless, the video is funny.

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Dave,

    Is NPR fake news as well?

    It appears the spy who wrote the Trump Dossier was a real guy, a real SIGINT dude who is now very much a spy out in the cold.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/12/509493584/ex-spy-who-reportedly-assembled-trump-dossier-appears-to-be-in-hiding

    So, it appears the counter mud – that this was just a 4chan prank – blah blah blah – is wrong. It was written by a proper intelligence person.

    This gives far more credibility to the idea that the FSB has material on Trump they can use against him. Be that him pissing on the law, or watching hookers piss, or taking money via shell companies from Russian banks – the latter of which I suspect is the real truth.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      NPR stands for No Proof Required. Fake!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        National public relations.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Exactly! fucking Ivory Tower types, all uppity about shit like facts and stuff! Fuck em!

        • SC Dave

          NPR has been known as a left wing news organization for 30+ years now.

          That said, they at least used to be moderately more careful that the National Enquirers and CNNs of the world.

          But once Obama got rid of the anti propaganda laws, all rules were off.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It’s all Vulcan mindmeld my man.

    • BearDown100393

      Truth has been terminated. Facts are meaningless. Science is dead. All that matters is how things feel and what some say.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Did you know that Stephen Stills, Jackson Browne, David Crosby and Jim Morrison were all CIA operatives inserted into Laurel Canyon to create the counterculture movement and then discredit it?

        http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=49150

        Oh Trac, this shit is so much fun, I can see why weaker minds would get lost in it…

        • Cormonster

          You might be on to something here. A friend of mine is the guitarist in a band that got flown out to DC about a year ago to play at a Xmas party for spooks. I can’t remember if it was for the CIA or NSA, though.

          Anyways, not long after that show Jackson Browne flies them out to play an exclusive, private after-concert party for him at the “Laurel Canyon Lounge” in Costa Mesa, CA. Coincidence? I think not. Connect the dots. Now I’m going to have to ask my buddy if there were any persons of intrigue at the show.

          Side note: I guess Jackson takes his concert sound very seriously. The sound set-up for his concert was over the top, with three huge soundboards. My buddy was also really pumped that Jackson let him use his guitars for the after-show party. I guess they were pretty sweet.

      • Bender McLugh

        lol so wait, is this true then?

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      These reports are unverified. One of them has been proven false (a different Michael Cohen than the one reported was in Prague at the time). The rest are unverified, and it is unknown whether they are true or not, though the CIA has deemed that British spy somewhat credible past on past intel he gave them.

      That’s my best understanding on the matter as of now, unless I missed something.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Weapons of mass destuction credible?

  • BerwynBomber

    ESPN reporting that Sean McVay (former OC WAS) is the Rams new HC. He is all of 30 years old. He is the youngest NFL HC ever.

    • Rack ’em (GP)
      • MB30SD

        hahaha

    • BearDown100393

      That’ll whip LA into a NFL frenzy. Go Rams.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

      A 30 yr old in L.A.

      What could go wrong!?

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s ridiculous. A 30 year old cannot manage an organization. We’ll see

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

    So, regarding Adams-v-Hooker

    Some Adams highights

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktuijMDwsh8

    Butch’s take. Def violent. Attacks the ball in the air and on the ground. Seems sound and solidly built (6’1 211).

    Drawbacks, like most thumpers, a lil stiff. Less fluid than Hooker IMO, but also lays more wood. Adams can play both SS/FS but I think he’d project better at SS.

    As of now, Walter mocks him going #10 to Bills (right behind Hooker at #9 to Bengals).
    Charlie from same site mocks Adams at #5 to Titans while Hooker at #7 to Chargers

    Waltfootball’s profile:

    “In 2016, Adams totaled 76 tackles with four passes broken and one interception. The junior is a future starting
    safety, who sources said during the preseason that they think is a top-20 talent. He is able to contribute in pass coverage in the underneath part of the field and is strong enough to play in the box.

    Adams has versatility, but his play was subdued in 2016, and perhaps he had the NFL on his mind. Adams turned it on and did play very well against Alabama and Ole Miss’ receiving tight end Evan Engram.

    The 6-foot-1, 211-pound Adams has versatile size to play strong or free safety in the NFL. He is an instinctive defender who always seems to be around the ball. In 2015, Adams had 67 tackles with six passes broken up
    and four interceptions. As a freshman, he recorded 66 tackles with five pass breakups. ”

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2017charlie.php#Ht036iJ41o7CVSYr.99

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

      Here’s Hooker highlights to even it out.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oyU2913awI

      Butch’s take.

      Absolutely more athletic with rare ball-hawk skills. Simply able to make plays other S only dream about. Instinctive and aggressive. Maybe even a lil too aggressive jumping routes trying for that INT. Goes for the TD once ball is in his hands.

      Drawback? He’s 6’2 205 but looks slight, more like a CB (inj concerns cuz of it?). Aggressive but won’t crack any ribs.

      Hooker is absolutely what Bears need – a playmaking ballhawk to roam the back end. Esp in our division where Vadgers isn’t afraid of picking on safeties.

      WalterFootball notes:

      In late September weeks, before other draft media where aware of Hooker, WalterFootball.com reported that Hooker was receiving high first-round grades from teams. He was one of
      the breakout stars of the 2016 season. Multiple team sources have said they see Hooker as a top-10 pick. Ohio State lost both Vonn Bell and Tyvis Powell to the NFL, but the redshirt sophomore Hooker was an upgrade for the Buckeyes.

      In 2016, Hooker totaled 74 tackles with 5.5 for a loss, .5 sacks, four passes broken up and seven interceptions. Three of those picks were returned for touchdowns. The 6-foot-2, 205-pounder has excellent size to go along with great speed and instincts. Hooker is tremendous as the
      deep center fielder with rare skills as a pass-coverage free safety who has drawn comparisons to Ed Reed.
      Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2017charlie.php#0rPF6Tgiihie6ASv.99

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I watched these highlights the other night as the DBB has been going apeshit over Hooker (I remember the same DBB frenzy over Ragland last year), and he struck me as Janoris Jenkins-like size; i.e., I would be surprised if he is 6’2″. Then again, maybe his size is deceptive. Regardless, the Combine will determine those measurables.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

          Yup. Looking at Hooker’s tape he appears much smaller than what they list him as. Peanut was 6’1 200 (same as Fuller) and looked every bit of it. Hooker is only 1 inch and 5 pounds more and does not look like it.

          Hooker really does look like a CB flying out there.

          However, the knock on Earl Thomas was also that he was undersized and maybe couldn’t withstand the NFL rigors, but he has held up rather well.

          Good point about OSU DBs. That’s a solid list.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s what I thought (just based off highlight reels). Looks like a corner.

      • MB30SD

        nice, thanks. Been cray busy and haven’t had the time to lay it out. Well done.

        So basically, Hooker @ 3 motherfuckers!!!!!

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

          Hooker is what the Bears need, that’s fo sho. the other drawback to Hooker is the “one yr wonder’ tag, but tape don’t lie. Those skills aren’t gonna just go away and will likely get honed more.

          But Adams is no slouch either. I was reading up on him more now that’s it’s practically draft season, and Rang over at CBS loves him some Adams. One of the most impressive traits to Adams is his leadership. He was named a captain as a true freshmen. Extremely rare. Great locker room guy to say the least.

          “COMPARES TO: Tyrann Mathieu, FS, Cardinals – Adams is an instinctive and
          hard-hitting safety already drawing comparisons by some close to the
          program to another former LSU star. And while earning comparisons to the
          great Honey Badger is quite the compliment, frankly, it isn’t enough.
          At 6-feet, 211 pounds, Adams is considerably bigger than the 5-9,
          186-pound Arizona Cardinals standout and is a much cleaner prospect off
          the field than Mathieu was at LSU.”

          http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2131682/jamal-adams

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      He dives those legs, don’t he?

      That shoestring signature will have to be coached out of him.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

        I noticed that too. He does seem to get in position though, shoots for thigh-pads, then kinda slips down, but Adams has tallied 60+ tackles 3 yrs in the rough and tumble SEC, so physicality isn’t a major concern, and like you said, the slipping down part is prolly just some sloppy tech.

        He’s no Sean Taylor though, as some have comped him to.

        I hate when every year they compare safeties to Sean Taylor or Polomulu.

        Like, no dude. Those guys were MANIACS.

        http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000308486/Sean-Taylor-hits-Brian-Moorman

        • BerwynBomber

          Did you watch the Cheese/NYG WC game, and specifically Landon Collins? Holy crap is he a monster. Decent balls skills and he literally hits like an LB.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

            Yes, I liked Collins coming out of college and wondered why he fell to the 2nd.

            The Gmen moved up aggressively to nab him, which Pace should take note of at the top of the 2nd.

            Still, I didn’t see Collins becoming THAT good that fast. The knock on him was that he lacked coverage skills, but he seems omnipresent regardless.

            I think slipping out of the 1st will give him that Brady edge too rest of his career.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If we traded down, and back in to round 1, and back up … we could get Adams AND Hooker?

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Winter Storm warning announced for KC with freezing rain and black ice conditions

    http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/11/winter-storm-headed-to-arrowhead-as-steelers-prepare-to-take-on-the-chiefs/

    StubHub saw a 43% drop in median price for tickets today alone, with median dropping to $148/ticket

    Pretty cheap for a NFL playoff game. Sounds like Trac needs to break the Raptor out and head north. Ice storms only scare liberal pussies. Fucking cucks ain’t never seen a 4×4 like that. Steeler nation will not be dissuaded. The Terrible Towel is great for wiping ice off your seat.

    • BearDown100393

      IMO if the forecast holds on freezing rain at game time, it will be rescheduled for Monday.

      • willbest

        Have they ever rescheduled an NFL game? I mean outside of 9/11 I don’t recall them doing it. Katrina?

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

          I don’t even think Katrina.

          Saints just played in Texas for that I think.

          • Rack ’em (GP)

            How great would a real ice bowl be though? That PERFECTLY formed sleet that makes the field a hockey rink and you’re fucked even in two inch cleats.

            Steelers Chiefs going I formation against each other because any pass beyond 10 yards is a dream. Hank Stram v Chuck Noll

            Damn that would be great

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

            que the NFL films voice over…”Many said it would be a cold day in hell when the Chiefs win a SB, well, KC sure froze over on a black and icey January night…”

          • Rack ’em (GP)
          • CanadaBear

            Katrina was in August.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If there’s a nuclear strike on the East coast but Soldier Field is good to go …. you play ball. No doubt it will happen during Packer week, with Cutty, Howard, line and receivers all humming in harmony, with the defense terrorizing opposing QBs and owning the middle of the field (dreaming here) with predatory linebackers, a ball hawk free safety and a hammer at safety cruising the waters behind (both drafted in the first round (after a Cutty trade?). But we’re getting that W in the series.

          We play ball.

      • willbest
    • SC Dave

      Yeah, sounds pretty cheap.

  • willbest

    And now Fiat-Chrysler gets caught cheating emissions. Odd all those green european companies that don’t give a shit about being green.

    • MB30SD

      money will… they care about money. Like erra other business.

      “green” is just a marketing term to bring in more…… money.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Some of those old German companies have scary money. They make the rockafellas look like yuppy trash.

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      Imagine those Volkswagen execs who are headed to Leavenworth

      What are you in for?

      Conspiring to lie about smog.

      Here is your bar of soap

  • SC Dave

    Okay GP, I know you hate Trump, and think all Breitbart readers are idiots. This article is enough in itself as an indictment of a particular college (although the decision maker made the right call in the end, amazingly enough), go read the comments section.

    In fact, I imagine your perspective will add value. Unless you’re a dick about it.

    http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/01/11/uc-berkeley-professors-demand-milo-ban-ahead-show/

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      “The American people don’t believe anything until they see it on TV”.

      Richard Millhouse Nixon

    • willbest

      You don’t understand the new world order. The Left is engaged in open hostilities against the Right. Allowing Milo and the like free speech protection would be like the FCC granting Russia TV a broadcasting license.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        They did that

        It’s called RT

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Follow da monay.

          • SC Dave

            As always

        • willbest

          It doesn’t broadcast over the airwaves.

        • SC Dave

          No… it’s called CNN

      • SC Dave

        Will, I understand it completely

    • Rack ’em (GP)

      Oh Dave you know I can’t resist you when you come with that sweet talk

      I was an undergrad at UM from 87 to 91. In that time I saw the tyranny of the lefty idiot class. Ban anyone who invades their safe spaces, become the sole arbiter of what is offensive to others and the decision makers as to what tolerance means.

      I HATE the lefty tower crowd. Smith tenured types with shit for brains. You forget I come from a family made from CPD.

      I took a law class and argued in the papers hypothetical that the situation was not rape. Because it wasn’t even close. Consensual conscious and only regretted afterwards. I got a D. I hit up my classmates and found out everyone who took that side got a D. I even remember the profs name she was a screaming harpy.

      So no, the PHD class can suck it

      • SC Dave

        I’m sorry. You’ve lived it more than I.

        I offer abjects apologies.

      • willbest

        Reminds me of a sociology class I had. I took it for lulz my senior year because I was told it was choice. And it was 6 guys to 35 girls, forced group work. Slept with 1 of them, made out with another.

        Anyway, we were talking about something in small group and somebody asked another guy in the group his opinion and he said “It doesn’t matter what I think I have a penis”. Which I couldn’t stop laughing at. The lectures/papers were brutal to the guys. I ended up with a C in the class thanks to blind grading on the final/midterm

  • Rack ’em (GP)

    Hey Dave

    Hanoi Jane critized Canadas Trudeau today cause he backed the pipeline

    She said people should “not get fooled by good looking liberals”

    This is from the woman who married Tom Hayden,that UMich jackass who pushed her into going and talking to the NVA

    If she had just stayed Barbarella. Her tits looked fantastic in that flick

    • SC Dave

      LOL

      Some people should just live on body parts.

    • MB30SD

      I hate that idiot. brutal… and stfu, no one cares what you think old lady.

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        you know who loves Hanoi Jane?

        Al in Tuscon. LOVES her.

        • MB30SD

          I bet.

        • SC Dave

          Up erra orifice

    • willbest

      You can’t mention her at holiday’s in my family unless you want the vets complaining all night.

      I don’t know what she expects from a country that makes its living on selling energy to the United States though. This is why I hate liberals.

  • Sactowns#1

    So some random started talking smack to Peanut on twitter. I mean seriously? But hey Peanut liked my responses to the knucklehead so that was nice. I’m sure we’ll become close friends and he’ll invite me out on his boat soon. haha

    • MB30SD

      paste here please. you know better than this….

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-Me-Naught!(Butch)

      Tell him to play some S for da Bears!

  • MB30SD
    • SC Dave

      You don’tunderstand me, and i thought you might.

      It has nothing to do with liking Trump, and EVERYTHING to do with laughing at the ludicrous dismay of the Totalitarian Left in response.

      • MB30SD

        naw, just trolling for fun my main maings

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        We are all brothers Dave. It’s all good.

  • Rack ’em (GP)
    • MB30SD

      lemme call the waaaaahhhmbulance.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Thank god none of us are that pathetic. ; ‘ )

  • MB30SD

    Just saw the proactive commercial with Olivia Munn… She’s a weird looking chick man.

    • Waffle

      Ur crazy brah. Half Vietnamese half oklahoma. Great body, aging well. It’s the whole slap on a fake mustache and carhartt jacket to blow Rodgers that throws me off.

      “Aaron, why do you keep growling the name Tristan? It’s me, Olivia.”

      Now, Olivia Wilde on the other hand…..now that is a consensus all bone team recruit.

      • MB30SD

        She looks interesting, I’d def graze her… Just not my fave.

        Wilde is hot.

        Have you seen the show flip or flop. Wife is smokin

      • Rack ’em (GP)

        Cuck Rodgers, space adventurer

  • Joecashflow

    Good stuff, Andrew. Here’s the thing. Hoyer won’t lose the game for you. He gives us a chance to see how all the other elements of our game are improving…or not. He can throw for 300 yds, consistently without INTs , which means the D won’t be gassed. That is foundational. We need to see how that D can perform is a normal setting. The Barkley experiment should be over. Bring Shaw back.

    • Irish Sweetness

      But he can’t throw a ten yard out, a dart down the middle or a long ball, basically all the first down throws. We lost 3 of the 5 games he played in. He is a man with a very light bag of tools and an unwillingness to throw any ball he is absolutely sure he can hit. He is not your 2 minute man (that’s jay). He is not going to go out and get you the win, he’ll take what the opposing defense gives him, and never blind you with a throw.

      I’d rather watch paint do that thing.

      • Joecashflow

        Yeah, agree with most of that, but he didn’t have an arsenal of starting WRs, yet still managed 300 yds. When you do that and don’t turn the ball over, don’t hang the loss on the QB. We moved the ball up and down the field. If they didn’t get 6, part of the blame goes to red zone play calling. Hand the biscuit to Howard!

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