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Finding A Quarterback: The Other Guys

| April 7th, 2017

Over the last few weeks I have profiled the top four quarterbacks in the draft but the Bears are not likely going to get any of them.

The praising of Mike Glennon has been universal to the point where I don’t think the Bears are going to spend the third pick on a quarterback. I also think all four of the top guys will be gone before the Bears pick in the second round.

So, where does that leave them? With one of these guys…

Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech

Evans is my Jordan Howard of this year’s draft.

I really liked Howard last year and thought his value was going to be the best of any of the running backs, and that was when I thought he’d be a third-round pick.

Evans, like Howard, has only one year of major college experience and, like Howard, he was really good. His resume is pretty much the same as Mitch Trubisky and, physically, he’s pretty much the same as DeShone Kizer.

There isn’t much in terms of tape of Evans on Draft Breakdown but he has a strong arm and makes big throws down the field. Pro Football Focus ranked him sixth in terms of accuracy percentage on throws of more than 20 yards, he’s one of two players in the top 10 (the other being Watson) with more than 55 throws that far down the field.

He also threw just eight interceptions last year, at least two of which were in his receiver’s hands before being dropped.

 It’ll take a lot of work to get it out of him, but Evans has a lot of potential.

Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee

The most athletic and elusive of the quarterbacks in the draft, Dobbs’ biggest flaw is that he makes some really stupid decisions.

He reminds me a lot of Brett Hundley coming out. Now with the Packers, Hundley looks like he might develop into a capable player thanks to the coaching of Mike McCarthy. I think Dobbs needs a similar situation because he doesn’t seem comfortable in the pocket and really hurries some of his throws right into the defense’s hands.

Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh

Reminds me of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

He’s regularly praised for how intelligent he is, but regularly made really, really bad decisions. But there’s still enough good that I think he’ll stick in the NFL for awhile.

He’s not particularly big or athletic and his arm isn’t necessarily strong or accurate, but he’s adequate in all of those categories. That alone makes him a bit of a rarity. I think he gets drafted with the idea that he’ll be a career backup.

Davis Webb, Cal

Strong-armed quarterbacks with Webb’s size and mobility are rare, but he really struggles with ball placement.

I wrote about Kizer’s problems with accuracy. Webb’s are worse. At least with Kizer there are stretches where he’s very accurate. Webb doesn’t have that. He failed to complete even 63 percent of his passes, despite having an average depth of target of nine yards (38th best in the draft, per PFF).

I absolutely believe he was told by NFL teams that he’s a first-round talent, but that doesn’t mean he’ll go in the first round. One of the bright spots was that he, reportedly, really improved during the Senior Bowl practices, in his first exposure to NFL coaching. Teams might see someone they can develop.

Brad Kaaya, Miami

A weird prospect to me.

I really think his problems boil down to mechanical issues. He showed flashes of having a strong enough arm, but didn’t show it consistently. His accuracy was all over the radar. I wonder if he ever got adequate coaching in college.

Adding to the problem is the fact that he can’t move. I see him as a long shot to be able to play until he gets his mechanical issues fixed because he doesn’t have any attributes to help him overcome them.

Chad Kelly, Mississippi

If not for a knee injury during the season, Kelly would be getting more buzz, but that, combined with off-the-field issues, mean he’ll likely be available in the sixth round. If that’s the price, sign me up.

He’s one of the biggest wildcards. He has the arm to be successful. He’s wild at times, but he makes some great throws and big plays. If he’s able to replicate his performance at the collegiate level in the NFL, most teams would be very happy to have him.

But the other problems are very real. Just last year, he got into a fight on the sideline of a high school game. His pro day ended because of a wrist injury. Can he stay out of trouble or healthy? That’s why he’ll be drafted late, if at all, because nobody can count on him.

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  • Sahr Gborie

    Give me JEvans in the 5th and call it a day

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why would you draft Evans?

      So you draft Evans and cut Shaw. End of camp, you choose either Sanchez or Evans for the final roster. If you choose Evans to be your backup NFL QB, then man, I’m glad you’re not my GM.
      Glennon goes down and you’ve chosen Evans as the man. Wasted pick.

      • fishing florida

        we can carry more than 2 QBs on the roster. It is not unheard of.

      • Sahr Gborie

        I don’t like it but we have to draft a QB or it’s very likely Pace will not last very long. I appreciate the work he has done so far and neds more time to finish. He can buy time by drafting a QB.

        • Irish Sweetness

          You just said he should draft Evans though. That really is a lottery ticket. Watson or Trubisky are not lottery tickets.

          • Sahr Gborie

            I said to draft a QB because it give him time to find the QB he really likes instead of taking the best out of a bad sample. Since this class is not that good that’s why I suggested we taken Evans in the 5th. Its a relatively safe bet since the whole class is not very exciting. There are better players to be taken in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round than a mediocre QB

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        If you think about what you are recommending above from the perspective of would you really do this if it was your job and the job was on the line, you will quickly realize that this isn’t the rational decision.

        Think about it. John Fox, coming off of 6-10 and 3-13 seasons, will gamble his third season on some Jerod Evans if Glennon goes down in week 1. Is this even remotely realistic? We saw what happened with Barkley last year. And even if you substitute Jerod Evans with Mitch Trubisky, the answer will be the same. There will be 3 QBs on Bears roster this year- Glennon, Sanchez, Rookie.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I hope so. There should always be 3 QBs.

  • BearDown100393

    Chad Hutchinson

    Chad Kelly

    Chad

    No Chad

    • SC Dave

      Hanging Chad

  • leftcoast dave

    C. J. Beathard.

  • King of DBB
    • MB30SD

      That made me lalz

  • MB30SD

    Jesus Christ Andy, this could have been one fucking post. In the year of the dooooooonn’t caaaaaaare QB situation, your efforts would have been MUCH better spent on doing a ranked player breakdown.

    Start with Garrett and end with hooker and all the dudes in-between. Come on maaan!!!

    • King of DBB

      Andrew watches some Tubez vidz, comments on them.

      He’d have been better off taking my coaching post from last thread and plagiarizing that.

      • MB30SD

        Agree. It was a good post.

        I just don’t give 4 weeks of fucks about any of these cucks (that rhymed).

        Btw GP, check out a show on prime called Betas. Pretty funny. Kind of another angle on silicone valley, bit a bit less factual/real and more silly/funny

    • can we address this “the QBs suck this year, wait until next year” shit once and for all?

      People say this EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

      Yet the fact of the matter is that most drafts produce at least one quality starting QB out of the first round or two.

      It’s sexy to look at the young guys who will be available next year, who have a year to continue growing and getting better and haven’t yet had their flaws picked apart by NFL evaluators.

      Last year people pointed to guys like Watson and said this year would be awesome. 2 years ago people pointed to Goff and said last year would be awesome. This year people are pointing to the USC kid and saying next year will be awesome.

      Stop. If you need a QB, go identify your QB and get him early in the draft. It’s the spot where you have the best odds of finding a quality starter. And continually waiting for next year just ends up with you sucking for longer.

      • The odds are very good that at least 1 of the top 4 guys this year will be a quality NFL starter. The trick is identifying which one. That’s Pace’s job this offseason. It’s the only thing he’ll do this offseason that really matters.

        • MB30SD

          And the odds, if we’re going on history here, that the bears are the org in the league that will have the ability to identify and acquire that guy… Are nill. So there’s that.

          • King of DBB

            We have Charlie Brown now. Maybe he can.

          • we have no history to go on here. The current evaluators and decision makers for the Bears have never had to make this decision before at any point in their careers, either with the Bears or elsewhere.

          • MB30SD

            Bullshit. Pace had breeze already there, fox had fucking peyton Manning.

            This current regime is just as experienced at picking and coaching up great QBs as the last. Come on data

          • CanadaBear

            You’re really reaching with this one. The day Fox taught Manning anything about offense is the day Fox won the SB (hint; didn’t happen).

          • MB30SD

            that was exactly my point (I didn’t state it well). These guys came into generational HOF QBs already there… the guys we have don’t have ANY chops picking a great QB, and as an org we’re historically turrible… so why would that all of a sudden change now??

            NEVER bet against the house maings, the house ALWAYS wins.

          • That’s what I’m saying. The guys who will make this decision have never made that before in their careers. So we can’t say if they’re good at it or bad at it. We don’t know.

          • MB30SD

            So I was teaching my daughter about how to do a soccer behind the leg pass the other day. It was her first time.

            You think she looked like messi?

            Guess we can hope for first time dumb luck, but picking a diamond in the rough NFL QB isn’t really something you luck into doing well yo.

          • willbest

            I hope not, unless she likes women.

          • MB30SD

            not funny dick.

            For the fucking record since she was a baby I’ve gotten stopped on the street by ladies asking me if I’m getting her into modeling. I tell them hell no, she’s going to be a CEO not some vapid idiot.

          • willbest

            Good. No reason to have her strung up on coke banging smarmy photographers 20 years older than her. Though CEO can be just as bad.

          • MB30SD

            it’s all about how you raise them will. I can see it in some of the kids on the playground already. Little fucktard bullies. Parents are obviously assholes.

          • Andrew Dannehy

            Not true. Pace was in the pro scouting department when they signed Brees. Was named director of that department in 2007.

          • MB30SD

            So, he picked breeze, or he was just… There?

        • King of DBB

          It’s unlikely that Peterman turns into Ryan Fitzpatrick. The guy with Mariotta upside is Trubz. But we’re not going to select him with the 3rd pick. Or maybe we will.

          I maintain and continue to main this is Pace’s chance to set the tone and make a bold move. He’ll get one crack at it. He may take it and select Trub.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Why take a chance on Trubz? Pace is getting another at least another year, maybe two. Everyone knows next years class is better than this one. Why not keep building the defense and sell the farm if you have to for a good to great QB next year?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            No guarantee that the QB you sell the farm for next year will be good in NFL. Could just as easy be a bust. Draft one this year and still have picks next couple years to keep building.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Because selling the farm never works and is a dumb thing to do.

        • Sahr Gborie

          He gets it wrong and hes gone. He gets it right he stays. You are right, getting a QB this off season is the only thing that really matters

      • MB30SD

        I shall not stop sir! This is after all the America!

        And I merely said he could have done all of this in one or two posts then moved onto players we all really want to know more about (and draft).

        So you’d be ok with him taking Watson or trubz at #3? Neither of which rank in the top 20 football players in the draft this year?

        If that ain’t browns-style desperation reaching, I don’t know what is…

        You take guys like luck, Marriotta, and maybe even Goff @ #3, not Mitch ‘one year wonder at a shit school playing shit opponents and also shows very cutler-like traits’ trubinsky.

        2nd or 3rd round, AFTER you’ve gotten your franchise safety or DL, ok, stake your career on that if you want, but at least you got your insurance@ #3

        • Irish Sweetness

          Fucking rankings!! By whom? Who cares about rankings? THEY’RE WRONG EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

          Trubs had an amazing year for his only year. 67.5% and 30 TDs. 8 rushing TDs. He will be very good in the NFL. His mechanics are much better than Cutty’s.
          QBs get drafted high. We know this. We do not know where we’re drafting next season – but we have the position to do it this year.

          I like Adams, but he’s a SS … and we have the chance to draft a good QB for a change. No SS has ever been drafted at #3, and I don’t know that any FS has been drafted higher than 5.

          • King of DBB

            Ronnie Lott was drafted #8.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A HoFer. Okay.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Trubisky is just another hyped up qb.

            If he was so good, why could he not beat Marquise Williams in his junior year.

            He was so good that his coach, who watched him closely for all these years, let him ride the bench in his junior year. He was so good that he should go #3 but was not good enough to start for his college. Give me a break.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He is good. His stats – 30 TDS, 3,750 yards. 450 yards rushing, 8 TDs. 67.5% completions. That’s good for your only year in college. It’s a probable indicator that he’s a good QB. He IS a good QB. I have eyes.

          • CanadaBear

            No offense but we all have eyes and no NFL team is asking any of us for our opinions. Stats look OK. I watched him in a bowl game and he struck me as a really slow processor. He looked very Cutleresque to me. Again, what do we know?

          • MB30SD

            He was on a shit team that played mostly other shit teams dude.

            Stop the suspension of reality maings. If you’re going to bet on one of these cucks it HAS to be Watson. Dude’s got chops… Played the best erra year and beat the best on the biggest stage possible.

            That’s the guy you take… Trubz is a cuck… But I’d expect nothing less than you picking that guy. It’s your schtick on the blog.

            Well, you and Dave the underdog

          • Bender McLugh

            Watson or no QB.

          • MB30SD

            Yup

          • Bender McLugh

            meaning with the first 3 picks, maybe even 4. I’m fine as always with a flyer in the late rounds

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wait a minute, you were all over Hooker and then did a 180!!

          • MB30SD

            When I found out he had hip laburnum surgery and not the shoulder.

            He can be super fucked if that hip doesn’t heal up. Not at #3

          • SC Dave

            Pro football ref lists 73 defensive backs taken in the first ten picks of the draft since 1936. Here is the list
            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2016&draft_round_min=1&draft_round_max=1&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=10&pick_type=overall&pos=cb&pos=s&pos=db&college_id=all&conference_id=any&show=all&order_by=draft_pick&order_by_asc=Y

            The guys taken in the first 5 picks…

            1956 1 Gary Glick PIT
            1963 2 Jerry Stovall STL
            1991 2 Eric Turner CLE
            1988 3 Bennie Blades DET
            1969 3 Leroy Keyes PHI
            1991 3 Bruce Pickens ATL
            1960 3 Johnny Robinson DET
            1997 3 Shawn Springs SEA
            1959 3 Billy Stacy CRD
            1981 4 Kenny Easley HOF SEA
            1998 4 Charles Woodson OAK
            1963 5 Kermit Alexander DEN
            1959 5 Dave Baker SFO
            2010 5 Eric Berry KAN
            1992 5 Terrell Buckley GNB
            1956 5 Art Davis PIT
            1988 5 Rickey Dixon CIN
            1976 5 Mike Haynes HOF NWE
            2002 5 Quentin Jammer SDG
            1991 5 Todd Lyght RAM
            2003 5 Terence Newman DAL
            2011 5 Patrick Peterson ARI
            2016 5 Jalen Ramsey JAX
            1989 5 Deion Sanders HOF ATL
            2004 5 Sean Taylor WAS
            1997 5 Bryant Westbrook DET

        • I have seen several people whose opinion I respect state that there are 3-4 QBs who they rank ahead of both Goff and Wentz from last year. There are also people who rank multiple QBs within the top 10 players this year. It all depends on who’s rankings you listen to. But like I said above, nearly every draft produces a quality starter in round 1. Pretty much the only exception in the last several years was 2013.

          Pesonally I would take Watson at #3 and bank my future on him. But I’m not Ryan Pace.

          Ultimately, Pace needs to find somebody to bank his career on. If he keeps waiting and relying on the Mike Glennons of the world as short-term solutions, he’s not gonna last very long.

          If he swings and misses at #3, he probably won’t last very long either. But you have much better odds of hitting on a QB in the 1st round of the draft than grabbing somebody else’s castoffs in FA.

          It’s the hardest question in sports to get right, and the most important. History tells us quite clearly the best odds come early in the 1st round of the draft. Bears are picking there for the 1st (and hopefully last) time in a while and happen to need a QB.

          It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the smart gamble here.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. He almost has to throw the dice on either Watson or Trubisky, and nobody should blame him if he does.

            Having said that,nobody will blame him for taking Adams either.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Nobody will blame him for taking Train or Watson if they flame out? Are you serious?

            I’m all for a QB. We need stability at the most important position but let’s not be desperate.

            #3 is not where you swing on a QB. Take the safer bet in a dline man or a safety or corner. Better yet take OJ Howard.

            If you are going to swing on a QB start in the 3rd

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nobody will blame him on draft day.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            By your logic, Cleveland Browns should take Watson at #1. It is the most important position after all!! And Browns do not even have a Mike Glennon on their roster.

            And yet there is not a peep about Browns taking anyone other than Myles Garrett at #1.

            The intrinsic value of the player matters no matter how important the position he plays and no matter how desperate a team is for a particular position.

            The decision is further complicated by the situation this Bears regime find itself in approaching the 2017 draft. They are in year 3 after two very bad years. They have to show success this year. That means they cannot roll the dice on a Watson or Trubisky at #3 as neither of them are in position to contribute in year 1 at least. The pressure to show success is real and that means they cannot give up on player who can help improve the team THIS year over a player who can may be help 2 years down the line.

            Hue Jackson can roll the dice as he is just entering year 2. And yet he is not going to pass on Myles Garrett at #1.

          • CanadaBear

            If Pace picks a QB at 3 he isn’t getting fired no matter what the Bears record is this year. Fox is a different story but Pace will be given some time to see if the QB develops. Not saying he’s taking a QB at 3 but it won’t cost him his job after this season no matter what the Bears record ends up this year.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Agreed. But Pace cannot make this decision in a vacuum. I know many fans would like him to but that is not now the real world works.

            Pace and Fox are working together. And if I am John Fox I know it does me no good in my year 3 to draft a Watson at #3 who is sure to ride the bench and not contribute much.

            The decision to roll the dice on a QB at #3 would have been in so much easy in year 1 or even year 2 of Fox and Pace. We know Pace tried to go up for Mariota but the cost was just too much.

            I am pretty sure they are not going draft a qb at #3.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think they will either but Pace is Fox’s boss and you know who wins an argument in those situations.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            I am not so sure about that. Ryan Pace is a kid who just got his first GM gig and Old Foxy has been around the block for decades.

            My impression from their joint appearances in press conferences is that Fox calls more shots in that relationships. My sense is they are more equals given the age and experience difference. The word was at the time of hire that he Fox was not even Pace’s decision. He was recommended by the consultant.

            If he gets the chance to hire his next coach, then Pace will be the real boss of his head coach.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s as rare as a unicorn for the coach to have more power than the GM unless that coach is a HOF’er. That leaves Fox out. Other than moving the needle from laughingstock to just a bad team, Fox has done almost nothing. Granted the biggest issue is a terrible roster that is slowly improving but Fox hasn’t distinguished himself in any way these last 2 years. Always goes conservative at the worst possible times, team has come out flat so many times I can’t even count and the team has checked out on him during some tough losses.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Agree with about John Fox’s performance. He has always been a very conservative coach.

            He does not have power because he is an outstanding head coach. It is more the result of unique circumstance.

            Pace went from a scout to GM of one of the storied franchises in one of the biggest markets. That is a huge step up in responsibility. Forget the player part, just managing the whole organization is huge challenge and especially so for a rookie. So I am sure Pace has had to lean on Fox more than a typical GM does.

            It is a different and unique dynamic. And my guess is that is the source of Fox having more power than he should.

          • CanadaBear

            Agree to disagree.

          • MB30SD

            agree

          • Ososfan

            I agree..

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ahh…. yes, we suck this year .. .then he says .. .wait til you see Watson/Trubisky !

          • MB30SD

            agree with this.

            Ps. Fuck hue jackson… cuck.

          • If you have a truly rare prospect elsewhere, by all means take them. CLE still has a pick at 12 to get a QB, and multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks they can use as ammo to trade up above that to get their guy. They will be taking a QB early.

      • Johnnywad

        Kizer fits that pattern as well.

      • Ososfan

        So, take a chance on a QB in the second round though, right?

  • leftcoast dave

    IF da Bears pick at 3 it MUST be BPA who will be DE.

    Pace is unlikely to settle for anything less than BPA.

    • Bender McLugh

      you spelled Safety wrong

      • leftcoast dave

        Figures don’t lie but liars figger?

        “No team that drafted a safety in the top
        15 since 1991 has won a Super Bowl with that player on its roster. And
        as you can see, teams that spent top-15 picks on safeties were 242-284
        (.460) with that prospect on the roster. ”

        http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftsafeties.php

        • Bender McLugh

          what does he know?!? I keed

          • leftcoast dave

            What is more valuable to the defense, a lineman who can blow up the play early or a fireman dousing the flames?

          • MB30SD

            Firemen save the house.

            Get it, save Jordy from going to the house

          • Bender McLugh

            this is just wrong dude, come ON now. We already have DL-men that can blow up the play and have SHIT at Safety. And you know this man

          • Irish Sweetness

            We have a DL? Do we fuck. Other than Hicks? I’m not a huge Goldman fan, I don’t get the love.

          • CanadaBear

            Yeah, I don’t either. Other than, when he’s healthy he’s fucking really good.

          • leftcoast dave

            Two out of three ain’t bad?

          • Bender McLugh

            agreed

          • willbest

            He misses 4 games a season.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m well aware of that Wil. Thus the disclaimer. If he was just so-so when healthy, I get it but he’s been very good when healthy. Let’s hope for better health.

          • Ososfan

            That’s a bad average to have…

          • Ososfan

            And is soooooo young!

          • Ososfan

            Goldman is Strong and deceivngly athletic for his size and can play on multiple positions on the D-line yet, has be tasked to play NT when he’d have waaaay better numbers as a LE/RE. But, we don’t have much talent there like you say, so he has to play the NT. With decent play (when healthy: which has a been a problem)

          • leftcoast dave

            Eye of the beholder? How many sacks last year? How many cigars smoked while picking out a target?

            Plenty of Safeties to get, the top three ranked players are D linemen.

          • Bender McLugh

            Last year??!?? Dude, seriously, what the fuck are you smoking? It’s spelled I-N-J-U-R-I-E-S

          • Bender McLugh

            and pass that when you done

          • Irish Sweetness

            Which D-linemen did we lose (that were worth a fuck)?

        • Irish Sweetness

          This is damning evidence that we can’t draft Adams. It has to be Watson/Trubs … or my own preference .. .the tradeback.

          • Sahr Gborie

            The QB class is not that great plus a QB would not be the BPA. Hop on the OJ Howard train

            R1-OJ Howard
            R2-BPA Cornerback
            R3-BPA Cornerback/Tackle/EDGE
            R4-BPA EDGE
            R5-BPA or developmental QB

        • willbest

          Moses Christ…. Earl Thomas drafted at 14 in 2010 won Super Bowl in 2013.

          • willbest

            Jeebus lcdave, here I thought the author was a fucking idiot. This article is from 2010. You dug up 7 year old analysis.

      • Johnnywad

        A timeless classic.

      • Ososfan

        Bahahaha!

    • Irish Sweetness

      How would Allen or Thomas be BPA over Fournette/Adams. If you go DL you’re automatically getting the 2nd/3rd best D-lineman.

  • King of DBB

    Has anybody ever been to Eakins Oval?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eakins_Oval

    I have been there. It’s a nice park, a large park but not a HUGE park.

    The NFL Draft is setting up the tents in the park and the draft is planned to be outdoors for the first time ever. It COULD rain.

    Seems like a lot of risk. Philly must have called in the political favors to get the roadshow there.

    • willbest

      It’s the bone they throw to cities that have no shot at hosting a SB

    • CanadaBear

      It’s like after the NFL got away with a SB in Giants/Jets stadium they think they can control the weather. If it’s a cold, rainy night everyone is gonna be thrilled to be outside!!!!!!!

  • leftcoast dave

    C. J. Beathard.

    Take him in the 5th round after BPAs in the line, LB and S.

    • Johnnywad

      THAT is an unfortunate last name. Must have been rough early going for the lad.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        could be worse… B. J. Limpdick

        • Johnnywad

          My buddy filled a prescription for a Dr. Vag Hampole.

          • MB30SD

            I worked with a guy named Skipper Pickle.

            Yes, I’m dead serious.

          • CanadaBear

            My dad’s buddy was Richard Soer. Yeah that Dick Sore. My dad always called him Sore Richard.

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha…

            Can you imagine what it must have been like going through high school with names like those? yeesh.

          • CanadaBear

            I was about 20 when I finally felt old enough to tease my dad’s friend and he was way ahead of me. He just looked at me and said don’t you do it. We started laughing and I never did tease him.

          • leftcoast dave

            And I’m sure all the Chicagoland Democrats love their Dick Dailey.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I used to hang with a girl called Lara Hoare. Pronounced, y’know…

      • leftcoast dave

        Dude’s got NFL pedigree. Check it out.

      • leftcoast dave

        Also started for two years in a pro set run first offense.

      • Ososfan

        Rough and hard…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow, kid has skillz, no doubt. I mean this is from 2015 …

  • CanadaBear
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      she gave him an ultimatum. hold up a sign like this outside Lambeau Field or we are through
      http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1244901-wife-makes-husband-hold-unfortunate-sign-catches-giving-blow-job

      • CanadaBear

        Considering that she caught him sucking dick, he’s probably happy to advertise.

        • MB30SD

          Ha!

        • Ososfan

          Gold! Haha!

        • The guy with the sign is actually a genius.

          It’s free advertisement for gay guys.

      • Ososfan

        Hahahahaha!

      • King of DBB

        Olivia Munn called. She wants to borrow that sign when the dude is finished with it

      • MB30SD

        Um, your husband is gay maam.

        As andrew dice clay used to say, “you either suck dick or you don’t”

        NTTAWWT

        • willbest

          the myth of the male bisexual? Or being so sexually desperate (say in prison).

          • MB30SD

            that one I agree with you on will. You’re either gay or not, there is no male bisexual.

            and I say that with the caveat that I personally don’t have one iota of an issue with it, as I often say, I’m very socially liberal (philosophically not necessarily politically), so I honestly don’t give a rat’s ass who or what you like to fuck as long as you’re a good person and you don’t try to grab my junk.

          • CanadaBear

            My only issue with guys that are bi is keep an eye on them. They will literally fuck anything human.

          • MB30SD

            “Yeah, he’ll try anything: men, women, goats, chickens, dogs, mud… anything!”

          • Nah, I think there are bi-guys.

            Lots of male rockstars (and actors) swing both ways, you just don’t hear too much about it on the mainstream news.

            My theory is that they can get so many hot women that they kinda get bored.

            The history of arts and letters is also filled with dudes who swung both ways.

            Shakespeare himself wrote sonnets for a dude while married with children.

            Plato, Socrates, etc buggard boys but were with women.

            Picasso, an infamous womanizer, first got with some gypsy boy in the caves.

            Goes on and on and on.

            It’s not as common as bi-women, but they’re out there (and that’s not even counting prison dudes who were straight yet fuck dudes in prison).

    • willbest

      He could find a hotter beard.

      • CanadaBear

        Probably not hotter and more famous. Lots of hot lesbos would probably sign up for that job but not a lot of famous, hot lesbos (that are still in the closet).

        • willbest

          He can always go back to Taylor swift. There was gossip about those two back before he settled on Munn.

          • CanadaBear

            Better be careful there or his entire sad story could end up in a song. She’s pretty well known for that behavior.

          • Doesn’t Vadger’s already have a song?

  • leftcoast dave

    Pace signed his QB and his backup. Does anybody really think he will take a flyer with a top pick on a QB rather than build the D which has much, much lest risk attendant with the picks? Could anyone criticize him for picking any one of the top three D linemen followed by BPA S or CB?

    • MB30SD

      god I hope not. It would be insanity.

    • willbest

      If Trubisky is there at 26, I say trade up and get him.

      • Sahr Gborie

        for what? keep building that bully defense. and get a qb in round 5

  • Ososfan

    Take whoever is available in the 4th and try to develop that QB into a more than capable BACK-UP. Pace should be know as the king of the fourth!

  • Captain Obvious

    I have three requirements for any QB you draft, at any point. If they can’t hit all of them, they aren’t worth the pick.

    #1 Accuracy. Almost never has a QB improved his accuracy from college to the pros. You want a guy to be an accurate pro QB, he has to be a VERY accurate college QB
    #2 Arm strength. This can improve, but you don’t want to count on a guy getting stronger so he can make the downfield and sideline throws he needs to make from day one.
    #3 Turnovers. Guys typically don’t make fewer bad decisions, fewer turnovers in the pros than they did in college. So you want a guy with a ridiculously low turnover rate. That doesn’t mean he’s going to keep the ball out of the other team’s hands in the NFL, but it’s a lot more likely a guy who throws a lot of INTs in college is going to throw a lot in the NFL.

    Everything else — leadership, poise, mobility in the pocket, size, durability, etc., is all second-tier. You get those top 3 things, you’ve got someone you can work with as a starter. You have one of them missing? he’s a dud.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not sure about arm strength. It is obviously a desirable trait but an absolutely necessary one?

      Look at a guy like Pennington. Pop gun arm but successful pro career. (Though he had short/intermediate accuracy in spades.) Had he been a Bear he would have been hands down a better QB than Cutler and arguably our best since Luckman.

      Hence, I might put football IQ above arm strength.

      • Captain Obvious

        Without arm strength a guy can be serviceable–if he has #1, #3, and the second-tier traits. Then you have Alex Smith or Chad Pennington. Neither is/was going to win a Super Bowl.

        Football IQ is nice, but build a good system around a guy and he doesn’t have to be a deep thinker, he just has to work within the system. And if he has accuracy and arm strength and doesn’t turn the ball over, he doesn’t have to be Peyton Manning.

        The thing is, my top 3 criteria are rarely all found in the same guy. And when they are, that guy is typically gone by the first half of the first round. The only guys who have those criteria and drop have some glaring fault (inexperience, small school players, injuries, criminal records, etc.) that knocks them.

      • Irish Sweetness

        McMahon had a higher football IQ than 99% of the QBs you could ever name.

        Pennington was indeed the most accurate QB of all time at one point, but I don’t know where he was throwing the ball.

  • And here’s the other thing about the “wait until next year for the great QBs coming” approach:

    Even if it were true (usually it’s not), the Bears have the #3 pick THIS YEAR. What are the odds they pick that high again? They’re looking likely to have a solid defense. They have a good OL and power run game. I’d be very surprised if they finish with fewer than 5-6 wins next year.

    Then you’re looking at a pick outside of the top 5. Do you know how hard it is to trade up from there to grab the QB you like somewhere like 1 or 2? Philadelphia sent 2 1sts (including #8), a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 4th to get to #2 for Wentz. Washington gave up 3 1sts (including #6) and a 2nd to move up to #2 and get RG3. LA gave up 2 1sts (including #15), 2 2nds, and 2 3rds to move up to #1 for Goff.

    If they wait until next year and identify a guy who far outstrips this years’ options (again, not likely), they will basically have to mortgage 2 entire drafts to get him, assuming a team is even willing to trade down (many who need a QB aren’t, which is why Pace couldn’t get Mariota in 2015).

    Is that really a better bet than just spending one pick this year on a top QB prospect? I submit that it is not.

    • King of DBB

      No way dude.
      http://i.imgur.com/YUSMe35.jpg

      A. Get Mike Brown like safety that leads D from pussification
      B. D rallies and shows some balls
      C. Profit!

      Buddy needed Dave Duerson to win big (well, Todd Bell before that). Walsh needed Lott. The Bucs needed Lynch. The 70s Raiders needed Jack Tatum. The 80s Broncos needed Steve Atwater.

      My logic is infallible.

      • MB30SD

        I agree!!!

        Infallible I say!!!

      • There are a bunch of really good S in this draft. Odds are better to find a really good safety in rd 2 than a good QB. And good QB is far more important overall.

        • King of DBB

          We just signed a Brookfield Zoo animal to play that spot.

          And we have Shaw. Who can still be groomed into non-shit. Fucking Niners took Barkley, that was stupid of Pace.

          Dude, your penance is that you must wear a Monsters of the Midway t-shirt all weekend. Come back on Monday when your mind is right.

          • MB30SD

            agree

          • Irish Sweetness

            Barkley? They had Shaw as the #2 last year. Barkley was a desperate pickup.

    • Captain Obvious

      The 3rd best QB next year will likely be much better than the best QB this year. Bears could nab the 3rd best QB if they’re picking at, say, #12 next year.

      And what if SF or Cleveland pulls a surprise and picks the best QB in this draft? Then you want the sloppy seconds of a weak class?

      • MB30SD

        Bingo!

        You don’t do anyfuckingthing stoopid and just take one of the top 3 fucking BPAs that are sitting right fucking there.

        You do NOT, I repeat do NOT take some 24th or 31st ranked player who’s a massive reach at that pick… I don’t give a fuck what position he plays.

        MAYBE if these guys were still thought of in the top 10 picks, then that’s not at all a bad reach if it’s a massive position of need, but none of those things are true for us at this point. Maybe if we hadn’t taken glennon, MAYBE.

        But you pass on Allen/Adams/Howard/Foster/Hooker to take some one year wonder at a shitty school and you get what you fucking deserve and your job should be on the line.

        • So then next year, when there are “better prospects” than the QBs, do you continue waiting?

          There are many evaluators who have Watson as a top 5 or top 10 prospect. Others have Trubisky there. Just depends on who you ask.

          • King of DBB

            If you want to build a team via the draft – which is what Pace and his hires say they want to do – then you need to build a team.

            We don’t have a team. We have some talent at some spots and a lot of spots that are in desperate need of upgrades.

            Such as: the ENTIRE FUCKING SECONDARY

            Outside of Amos, there is not a single guy on the Bears secondary roster website right now that will make a Top 10 club. None.

            Look at the Cards when they got Warner to finish the puzzle – then Palmer.

            Build a good team, THEN put the cherry on top.

            I mean shit, look at what’s being done to Andrew Luck down in Hoosier land. That is like some crime against humanity. they are wrecking that kid.

          • That’s all well and good, except for the cost of getting to the top of round 1 to land that QB once you’ve built a team is astronomical.

            Then you end up with Houston, where you’ve got a SB contender with a shitty QB that may be able to eek out 9 wins and getting blown out in the playoffs.

          • King of DBB

            Houston is a badly badly run club. If you didn’t know that before, watch Obrien chew the scenery in Hard Knocks from that season with Hoyer. OMG.

            There were PLENTY of people who told them not to break the piggy bank on Osweiler. But they did anyway.

            Had they spent that money elsewhere and kept Hoyer, they could have made a run. But they flail. Like Glitchy flailed. Impatient when the mountaintop is in sight, then they slip back down.

            Same with dumping Kubiak and taking that slob Obrien. I’m not sure Houston makes your best argument.

          • MB30SD

            while I agree with errathing you said about houston, my immediate thought was, “and were any fucking better than those cucks?!? At least they have one great side of the ball… so we’re worse.”

          • The Bears could land a QB outside the 1st later on (or even in this draft).

            It’s not as rare as you make it out to be.

            I won’t go too far back (Romo, Brady, Wilson), but Carr, Dak, Cousins (and maybe Dalton) are guys after the 1st who many believe have a chance to to win it all.

            That’s 6 out of 32 starters right there, and that’s not including other possibilities like Glennon or Jimmy G (or the draft).

            That is to say, finding a QB outside the 1st (much less top 5) doesn’t seem as prohibitive as it once was.

          • I’ve looked at this recently. Most of the top guys drafted between 11 and 15 come from first 3 picks in round 1. Most of the solid guys come from round 2. After that your odds of hitting on a starter are less than 10%.

            There are always exceptions, I’m just playing the odds. Most of the best QBs are high round 1 draft picks.

          • MB30SD

            thank you sir.

          • MB30SD

            sure, because the QB position has become so so damn critical and so many teams have such a dire need to fill that spot and find ‘that guy’. 100% agree.

            But based on numbers and overall talent vs all the other dudes in THIS draft, take the above out of the equation and those guys aren’t even in the convo until 15-20.

            That said, you can’t take those out of the equation, and yes, erra year a couple teams reach like a mo fo and they get what they deserve for it.

            My point is, we don’t NEED to take a guy this year. Yeah, maybe we pick 10-15 next year if things go REALLY well and we get some lucky breaks.

            If I put myself in fox and pace’ shoes, there’s no way I risk my gig on RG IV or one-year-wonder cutler lite. No fucking way.

            Especially not when you:

            1. Already paid monay for a guy you obviously believe has some potential (all the stories about trying to get glennon last year too)

            2. Have SOOO much D talent at our pick, when we desperately need it at positions of historic need/deficiency/impact

            3. There’s without question guys next year (even the 3rd 4th guys by all accounts) that are less RISK that this year’s top 2.

            It’s all about risk mitigation for me if I’m fox… but even more so Pace. That dude is basically auditioning for the rest of his entire career right now. He fucks this up, picks a loser and he’s tainted. He takes adams/allen/thomas and those guys not only have a MUCH better chance of being good and making him look smart, but there’s much less risk they’ll bust… and even if they do, people will understand picking one of those guys much more than will a trubz or watson.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So what do you do if you’re picking 10th next year?

          • MB30SD

            Make it fucking happen

        • Sactowns#1

          We’re talking about pace here. He’s the smartest guy in the room. Way smarter than all the other scouts and GM’s. That’s how he found the gem that is White.

          • MB30SD

            meh, I actually like him and think he’s done a B+ job so far.

            Can’t put white on him maings… if he hadn’t hurt himself we would all be praising him.

          • willbest

            assuming he figured out how to catch more than 50% of the balls thrown at him for more than 10 yards per reception

          • MB30SD

            whatevs dude, he was too worried about and focused on his legs made of papier machette

          • Irish Sweetness

            White has been unlucky with two injuries. It’s not like his body broke down. I think he might show people something this season.

          • MB30SD

            Small possibility

        • Irish Sweetness

          You don’t think Trubs stats were impressive for his one stint at QB?

          • MB30SD

            Nope. If he was the QB of say Alabama or OU yes. For that shitbag school he played for… Meh.

      • based on what? Those guys haven’t even been evaluated by NFL guys yet.

        Everybody said that last year. And the year before. And the year before. And…

        It’s a logical fallacy. The allure of the unknown. Same principle as everybody loving the backup QB.

        • MB30SD

          that’s not totally true and you know it. when there are QBs ‘of talent’ they ALWAYS go in the top 3ish… goff, wentz, marriotta, luck, RG III, Cam, etc… come on maings.

          These guys were/obvious talent that went in obvious positions… these guys have been wiiidely panned as big projects that are not even close to that talent level.

          • King of DBB

            Hub (and I know we love some Hub) said that if Blake Bortles were in this draft he would be light years ahead of every other QB.

            And Bortles is a questionable Pro.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How does Hub remain employed?

          • Goff and Wentz both were/are huge projects. The only “sure thing” QB in the last 10 drafts was Luck.

            Yet most drafts produced at least one quality starter, usually drafted high in the 1st round. The trick is to identify the right one.

          • King of DBB

            And who is the one? Trubinsky or Watson?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Happy to take a shot on either.

          • willbest

            There was buzz on Cam, stafford and bradford.

          • “Yet most drafts produced at least one quality starter”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_Draft

            Do you recall the 2011 draft though, Data?

            There was Cam who got the Luck/WInston hype.

            Then there was every other QB.

            Many scouts, GMs and “experts” were torn on which one was best after Cam.

            Some backed Locker, others Gabbert, others (like Mayock), Ponder.

            It was a lot like the Trubisky/Watson/Kizer current debate.

            That’s what this draft reminds me of. 2011 but without a Cam prospect.

            “Yet most drafts produced at least one quality starter”

            And yes, USUALLY (not always) ONE QB kinda pans out, but in the 2011 it turned out to be the 2nd rders (Dalton/Kap), but even then a lot of fans don’t consider them “successes” (esp the latter).

            So while I get the logic behind making a move while within striking distance , that logic lead to Locker, Gabbert and Ponder being drafted in the 1st and handicapping their respective teams for years.

          • MB30SD

            exactly! It’s all about having the chops to find the diamond in the rough (a la wilson/dak/carr) in the later rounds IF there isn’t a luck/mariotta level guy that’s the obviouls front-runner.

            And we ain’t got that pedigree… at all.

          • Irish Sweetness

            People need to avoid the hype and actually look at Kap’s stats. He’s no bum. He just has silly hair.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Anyone here like Goff or Wentz? I don’t know, maings. Watson and Trubs look like they could be a lot better than that. One day.

          • MB30SD

            We’re not a spend your #3 on a maybe some day team bud.

            We’re a plug the gushing holes in our dikes now before Chicago floods team

    • Governerd

      I’m with you, Data, take a shot at one at #3 because you don’t know when you’ll be drafting that high again. I don’t understand the argument to take a “sure fire D prospect” there, because there is no sure fire anything in the draft! It is all guesswork on down the line, even Garrett could be a bust. Take a shot.

      That being said, I can’t get too worked up about whoever they take. Take a qb, pass rusher, or the best scouted at his position for a position of need and hope for the best.

    • Irish Sweetness

      My brutha from anutha mutha.

      I want Adams (really Fournette!) … but we might not have the chance to draft a QB this high again.

      Folk want Darnold? Fuck selling out three drafts to do that.

  • King of DBB

    I would appreciate it if Ivanka could stave off a global nuclear catastrophe until after Draft Day and my summer vacation.

    OTOH, Go long on Gold!

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/russian-warship-steams-toward-us-destroyers-that-launched-syria-strikes.html

    • MB30SD

      jesus, here we go. Erraone ready for the apocalypse?

      Fucken A, I gotta gun, gold, and pussy up!

      • willbest

        Wait, why would Putin want global nuclear war. This makes no sense.

        • Read, Kubrick quote.

          Why would anyone want global extinction ? And yet McNamare informed us we were a breath away from nuclear annihilation (on more than one occasion), and it was actually the Russians and not JFK who had to be the sane ones.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

          • willbest

            Well that was more a dig at Trump being Putin’s pawn. I could definitely see our “betters” deciding there needs to be substantially fewer of us though. As I said yesterday. What is in our best interest and their best interest isn’t the same.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think it was the Russians who pulled back from war in that message to Kennedy. Something about ‘we are tying the knot of war’, implying that once it was tied, we were all fucked.

            Again, everyone should watch the Fog of War – an extended interview with McNamara.

          • leftcoast dave

            St. John the Kennedy was an idiot.

            Sent the Koobans to the bay of pigs to die, promised massive air cover and reneged. Ike had a completely different plan, scaled back by Kennedy.

            Castro says, “ha, you idiot” and brings in nooks.

            St. John the Kennedy responds with a naval embargo, the Ruskies send three nook armed subs onto our waters each with free to launch orders.

            It was only by the grace of God one of the three captains of the subs did not launch when he lost contact with chain of command.

            Kennedy lies, pulls our nooks out of Turkey to appease Nikki and then sends troops to VietNam after killing off their president to show he’s “tough on commies.”

            We know how well that went.

            So about to lose an election he goes to Texas to try to bolster support there for the next election.

            We also know how that went. Castro got his revenge.

            But St. John the Kennedy went down in history as a martyr.

            Go figure.

            He was a laughable fool and morally repugnant.

  • King of DBB

    Grade this talent –

    Amos, Adrian
    Amukamara, Prince
    Banks, Johnthan
    Bausby, De’Vante
    Bush, Deon
    Callahan, Bryce
    Cooper, Marcus
    Demps, Quintin
    Fuller, Kyle
    Glenn, Jacoby
    Hall, Deiondre’
    Houston-Carson, DeAndre
    Jones-Quartey, Harold
    LeBlanc, Cre’Von
    McManis, Sherrick
    Porter, Tracy
    Prosinski, Chris
    Reynolds, Rashaad
    Webb, B.W.

    • willbest

      On a 5 point scale

      3, 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4 (cooper), 4 (demps assuming he doesn’t break down), 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2

      • MB30SD

        I wish my teeth cleaning ‘scores’ this week sounded like that.

        Pretty much agree. So basically a fucking 2 average.

        Jesus H christ on a bike, if we don’t take adams pace is a moron.

    • C. Amos, Adrian. the epitome of a C student. Nothing glaring , nothing phenomenal.
      B. Amukamara, Prince. He’s above avg IF he can remain healthy.
      D+ Banks, Johnthan. Just a camp body with some potential
      D. Bausby, De’Vante. He’ll be gone
      C-. Bush, Deon. Didn’t see anything special.
      B- . Callahan, Bryce. Liked his game, but again, injuries. Think slot would be best for him ala Graham.
      ? Cooper, Marcus. He looked good in Ariz, but which CB/S doesn’t over there? His upside is higher than Prince though.
      B. Demps, Quintin. Solid vet with a nose for the ball.
      C. Fuller, Kyle. Aside from being a pussy, hasn’t shown anything special. Very inconsistent.
      ? Glenn, Jacoby Camp body.
      C. Hall, Deiondre’ – looks like he can be somebody, but isn’t. I’ll believe it when I see it.
      D. Houston-Carson, DeAndre. If he wasn’t drafted, he’d be cut already.
      D. Jones-Quartey, Harold. Couldn’t stay on the field with a shitty ass secondary.
      C. LeBlanc, Cre’Von. He’s there, I guess.
      F . McManis, Sherrick. I don’t really have to explain much here.
      B- Porter, Tracy. Does good work vs bigger #1WRs and steps up. INJ and wheels concern though.
      C -. Prosinski, Chris. Career Back up. Conte-lite
      ? Reynolds, Rashaad
      ? Webb, B.W.

      • MB30SD

        conte lite… can you fucking imagine?!? Jesus.

        • Yeah, but at least this regime recognizes that’s backup material.

          Prosinki, like McMannis is only around for specials, but hopefully the draft will make one or both expendable.

      • King of DBB

        Thank you. Agree with all of this save Porter, who is FAR more injured then the press is letting on. If you drained his knees, brown gravy comes out.

        https://media1.giphy.com/media/142dhzXGA8EsIE/giphy.gif

        I don’t think he will make the club due to his injuries, so I will omit his B from the average.

        That looks like a C- average secondary to me. If we got Adams and put him back there with Amos, and put Prince on one corner and Hall on the other with Demps in the nickel safety, that might stem the bleeding

        • MB30SD

          agree.

          and that’s disgusting.

          that said, same with butches mom.

        • Ja. It’s sorta hard weighing in injuries cuz I only play a doctor on tv.

          Like for instance, Prince is a B for me, but that’s only for as long as he’s on the field

          Other guys like Amos have been more durable, but haven’t flashed or done enough to even warrant a B.

          Basically, our secondary is JAGville with SOME upside in Dems, Prince or Cooper, but they’re just rosy dreams for now.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jagville, Bumfuck AZ.

        • Captain Obvious

          You saying that about his knees makes me want mashed potatoes.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ve got an F on Porter.

        Cooper looks good though. HQJ can’t tackle. LeBlanc looks mor elike a backup, but I’d keep him. Glenn has upside, he can man-cover like Hall. Demps is … old. The rest can get bent.

        • leftcoast dave

          What part of Hall being groomed for FS is not understood on this blog? Kid (stoopid kid, ok?) was hurt with a bad ankle injury last year, but when he got back was used as a short field corner mostly but when tested, got the job done. The rap on him is short speed which he makes up for with his length. That will not be a problem at FS and his length will make him potentially a great center fielder.

          Can’t wait to see how he is used this year. I’ll bet money on him making the cut, even with the crowd growing back there and his stoopid off field conduct.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hall has cover skillz. He and Glenn were like white-on-rice on their receivers in pre-season when they got more playing time.

            (somebody please point out that coverage skills don’t count in pre-season. Glenn closed down Josh Gordon)

          • leftcoast dave

            Hall’s weakness is he cannot stay tight on the short routes without possibly giving up the go. His wiry length is not quite good enough to stuff at the line without getting beat deep. But in the short field I remember him being tested two or three times straight in an end zone out route one game and he knocked the ball away each time. As a rover FS, his length and ball hawking could prove great. In college he had many a pick.

        • willbest

          As long as you also give F’s to Cutler, McPhee, Tevathan, and anybody else that missed time to injury, I am okay with your grading curve.

          • willbest

            Oh and an F to every D-lineman that was ever a part of a play where the QB held the ball for 7 seconds or more.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nah. He cannot cover receivers on go routes – he gets toasted every time.

            And if people are saying he was injured .. then get the fuck off Cutty’s back.

            In fact the injury thing is a misnomer because he was getting toasted in pre-season.

          • willbest

            He was playing on 1 leg.

    • BearDown100393

      Might be the Browns in overtime.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      ALL A’s! GREATEST EVER!!! FUTURE HOFers!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow. Shit in a bucket.

      Maybe we should be drafting Adams on principle.

      Did we sign McManis back?

      • I think all of that list is signed, including McManis.

        Still hard to believe McManis is the longest tenured Bear.

        That says a lot about where we’re at as a team.

  • MB30SD

    Fucking YIKES!!

    Nationalization of private lands?!?!? Dooood, fuck that booolsheet!

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/04/04/donald-trump-private-land-eminent-domain-border-wall-griffin-dnt-ac.cnn

    No fucking way that ever happens here.

    • Sactowns#1

      It’s hilarious to watch the right twist themselves into pretzels with their “logic”.
      Don’t tread on me…. unless it will keep me safe from the boogey man.

      • MB30SD

        and I want to steal your land doing it, a la late 1970’s rober fucking mugabe’s zimbabwe

        • willbest

          He did more than steal land. He then destroyed its productivity completely turning one of the most productive agricultural countries on the planet into a net importer of food unable to feed itself.

          • MB30SD

            one in the same. one foul swoop. he knew it would happen too, didn’t care.

            Turning over nasa to school kids.

            It’s not about that, it’s about the act itself and what it signals… makes bushys nsa shit look like fingerpainting.

      • Sactowns#1

        No more regime change!! I mean unless it’s a republitard doing it.

      • willbest

        We could just annex the northern most 100 feet of Mexico and build it there. Thus not infringing on any Americans rights and fulfilling the campaign promise of making Mexico pay for it.

        • Captain Obvious

          And it would be an act of war. It would violate international conventions to which we are signatories — including the United Nations charter, wherein we agree that other countries’ territories are inviolate.

          Taking one square inch of Mexican land is a nonstarter.

          Given that an Indian tribe owns a big chunk of land bumping up to the border, it would take an act of Congress to steal that land away. Good luck with that.

          Exercising eminent domain on private landholders would be easy compared to stealing Indian land. That shit might have gone over easily in the 1800s, but I would bet in the 21st century you wouldn’t get a single vote in Congress for it. Outside of Gohmert and Stevie King, that is.

          • willbest

            Obviously it was a bit tongue in cheek, but

            But here are some things the SC is okay with
            1) penalties are really just taxes
            2) the private use of your property may be regulated because it could affect commerce
            3) you can be forced to engage in commerce now, because eventually you would have to engage in commerce later anyway.

            Just with these three rulings I can force a property owner to allow the building of the wall through their property since the migration of people through it affects commerce which the SC has basically given the FedGov carte blanche authority over.

          • Captain Obvious

            I never said eminent domain wouldn’t pry the property away from the owner, or that the government lacked authority to do so.

            I’m saying Trump would face a revolt if he did it to all the many, many property owners who hold property that butts up against the border.

            And that would be NOTHING compared to trying to get Congress to authorize the taking of land ceded by treaty to Indians. The SC doesn’t get a say in that. It’s a treaty. For all intents and purposes, the tribe is a foreign entity.

            And taking Mexican land would have nothing to do with any of this. Mexican land isn’t ours, and neither the SC nor Congress nor the President has the authority to take it.

          • leftcoast dave

            Under FDR’s packed Supreme Court, the Commerce Clause was used to tell a farmer he could not grow wheat on his own land to mill and bake bread to eat for himself because it affected interstate commerce. That is how FDR got the federal guvamint to be able to control any aspect of your life.

            Dumbocrats.

            Just need to learn history.

          • willbest

            He isn’t disputing that. He is saying it would be politically impossible with respects to the land not on Indian Reservations, and would require a new treaty with respects to Indian land. Hell, you will get fuckwits out to protest a pipeline being built near an Indian reservation after it was given due and proper notice as to filing any comment or issues it might have.

          • leftcoast dave

            The Native Americans would be easier to negotiate with than the envirowackos. In SD, money was offered but the tribe was not even directly effected. They got greedy.
            In AZ, the tribes up in the NE part of the state love the new administration over changes in the enviro wacko regulations which allow them to develop their oil and natural gas resources. I believe that is also the case up in parts of Wyoming and Utah.

            The rez might actually be an easier segment to regulate with just one deal cut and the tribe happy to see its own border better secured.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The U.S. violated the U.N. Charter by invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Not a fuck was given.

          • willbest

            Doubtful on Afghanistan.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Just pointing out that the military doesn’t care about the U.N.

          • willbest

            Nor should it. But at least for that one they bothered to dot the i’s and cross the t’s

        • Maybe Canada should annex 100 ft of the Northern U.S. for when they eventually build their wall to keep us out.

          • CanadaBear

            We know the weather will weed out a lot of them.

          • willbest

            If you can hold it you can keep it.

    • willbest

      Trump’s a real estate developer, just thinking about eminent domain gives him a chubby. Or it would if he were younger.

      On the flip side his Department of Interior guy is currently reviewing the possible sale of federal lands out west. That gets all good thinking people all hot and bothered, but I don’t see them trying to unwind the Land Act of 1804 or any of the other Land Acts that privatized federal lands.

    • King of DBB
      • MB30SD

        jesus fuck. insanity

        • King of DBB

          Cops take millions of dollars of stuff from highway stops every year under this law. The law goes back to the 1700s.

          Rule: If you have valuables in your car while pulled over, do not admit to having them. If they find them, claim you forgot they were there.

          • willbest

            Never lie to the police. You are perfectly within your rights to refuse to answer. And consistently answer their questions with “Am I free to go?” or “Am I under arrest?”

          • haha. Have you ever been pulled over by police already suspecting you for something?

            Something tells me repeating “Am I free to go” won’t go over well, though if I ever do get pulled over again, I’ll try it out as a social experiment.

            I’ll report my findings from the hospital.

          • MB30SD

            and a million more like it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This.

          • Captain Obvious

            This 1,000 times.

            Stopped by a cop? Give them your ID, proof of insurance, title. Comply with their orders. The 5th Amendment guarantees your right not to incriminate yourself, so you don’t have to answer their questions. You are either under arrest, or you are free to go.

            Sadly, the same rules do not apply to Military Police.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ve seen that go down like a lead balloon in some of those videos. Normally with a shattered window.

          • willbest

            As Captain says, you have to comply with their directions, but you never have to answer their questions.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah, okay.

          • MB30SD

            yep, that’s scary

          • So can’t travel with more than $4,999 across state lines?

            Or I wonder if that changes from state to state.

            I would just say something stupid like “Does bitcoin count? How about $10,000 gold cack rings?”

          • MB30SD

            and then…. “Please put your hands behind your back mr. butch”

          • leftcoast dave

            No, if you are pulled over and are asked questions you answer, “am I in custody?” Then answer the next question with, “my lawyer told me not to answer any questions.” It really is that simple. If a cop is going rogue, he’s going rogue. But that answer is the ticket. You’ve invoked your rights because your lawyer told you to do it. Can’t be used against you.

            Now you might spend the night in jail after a blood draw like “somebody I know” who had a .04 blood alcohol level, but he never got charged because he did not agree to answer questions or do “field sobriety tests” because they were “subjective, not objective”, but he did not have to pay for the cost of going to trial with a cop on the stand lying about reciting the alphabet backwards, the heel toe walk or the touch the nose game. Without the “fst’s”, the DA’s aint got a case. With “fst’s” from a lying cop, you go to trial even with an 04 BA, that or take a wet reckless, same as a DUI.

            Same is true of anything a cop wants you to do. “Am I in custody? Am I free to go? My lawyer told me not to answer any questions.”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Can’t they draw blood or ask you to blow into a breathalyser? Isn’t that enough.

          • leftcoast dave

            Most states you have the option. If they want FST’s or the hand held PAS, you say, I’ll give you blood if you want a test. That is all you have to do. Blood is harder for them to f with and sometimes they flub it by losing it or, in one case I know of, let it sit out to cook. Either way, it is a dismissal or an acquittal if you know you have not had too much. Otherwise, they can lie you down the road. Used to be urine was the best option in CA but no longer a choice. Blood is the best option and hardest to mess with.

      • Tenny mucho mucho deniro in trucky-truck trailor, indeed.

    • American Government stealing land?

      Noooooo.

      http://www.alternet.org/files/story_images/native-american-land___0.gif

      #co-operation

    • Irish Sweetness

      The Fed (a private bank cartel) owns all of the Federal land and territories, parks etc., as collateral on a loan that can never be paid off. So the National lands are technically privatized.

      Escared?

  • MB30SD

    GP, ohhh fuuuuucking MYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

    How fucking 70’s le mans sexy are these bitches: http://uncrate.com/article/kreisel-evex-910e/

    Holy shit… pretty beautiful. oh and 0-62 in 2.5.

    • Bender McLugh

      yummm

      • MB30SD

        tasty right? Must be terrifying to drive fast. that acceleration is balls in throat.

        • Jokey

          Tires would just spin out anyway

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha… launch control my man. this isn’t the 80’s

    • King of DBB

      It’s gorgeous. Awesome chassis.

      But this thing:
      http://www.kreiselelectric.com/en/technology/battery-system/

      “Hi. We want to strap this thing behind you. It’s not a bomb, but it DOES discharge 300Kw in about a millisecond. If it DID decide for some reason to convert energy into heat, forget every picture of the Galaxy 7 victims, you would look like a fried egg that was trebuched into a spiked wall. “

      • MB30SD

        Meh, bomb shomb… if you’re going to strap into that fucking missile, you’re taking your life in your hands at some point anyway… even if it’s just the fucking vegan asshole in the prius turning into the fast lane without a signal going 45 juuuuust as you hit 190

  • King of DBB

    Man… meth is ugly.

    I met D’Arcy Wretsky at a few Chicago parties in the early 1990s before the Pumpkins broke it big. Weird chick. Really weird, but not in a good way weird, but in a damaged way weird. I admit wholeheartedly I tried to hook up but she had a fiance’ (who was also an ugly weird dude) and so, you know, I was shot down and given stone cold.

    Back then, she looked like this:
    http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/portrait_300x450/2011/02/DArcy-Wretzky-headshot-a-p.jpg

    And this:
    https://lastfm-img2.akamaized.net/i/u/770×0/3f88f5d8647246ef9a1c6c53faf326fd.jpg

    Mostly like this, though:
    https://spfreaks.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/darcy-02.jpg

    Now?

    Yeah. Now she looks like this:
    http://media.mlive.com/kzgazette_impact/photo/9269378-large.jpg

    Boo!

    Meth kills.

  • King of DBB

    Welcome to our new Chicago Bears QB:

    • MB30SD

      that’s what I’m talking about!

      That’s the kind of player we need in chi baby!

  • CanadaBear

    Hey MB, any pic or fave for Paris-Roubaix this Sunday? Lots of people with a chance. Hope Boonen wins it. If not him, Sagan. After that, don’t care. Love that race.

    • MB30SD

      I like sagan, he’s a stud.

      No favorite… haven’t had the time to watch at all lately. WIll def try to get back into it at least for le tour. I’m sad.

  • MB30SD

    (salivating)

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/06/jamal-adams-draft-season-lsu-first-round

    “smartest man on the LSU defense”

    “Authentic do-anything safety”

    Jut listen to this re: going that high as a safety (sac). Liiiiiisten to eeeet!!!!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
      • MB30SD

        misogynist pig!

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          yes…yes I am!

    • MB30SD

      ryan clark compares him to brian dawkins.

      And his Momma wants us!!!

      “Top 5, pick 3!”

      • Ososfan

        Wait, really?! His moms?

        • MB30SD

          HIIIIS MAAAAAMS!!!!

    • Bender McLugh

      Thiiiiiis

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    So two RBs in top 10? Including a white RB??? If these guys get picked before QBs, that will say a lot about those QBs.

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    • MB30SD

      turrible copy/past. come on maings.

      • SC Dave

        Must be on a phone… so *not* a substitute for a real computer

  • beninnorcal

    I watched David Webb play in person last year, I thought he was pretty good. Did struggle towards the end of the game, but really the whole team took a nosedive in that game. It was against ASU, of all teams, in Tempe.

    • BearDown100393

  • King of DBB
    • BearDown100393

      She realized that it wasn’t just a commercial with Matthews.
      NTTIAWWT

      • Ososfan

        Hahahahaha!

    • SC Dave

      Didn’t someone post this earlier, when no one cared any more than now?

  • Irish Sweetness

    So leftcoast’s boy Beathard looks like he’s got the skillz to pay the billz. I could be on board with a 5th rounder in his case. But if he’s that good will he last that long? Very interesting – man he can sling that thing on the run all right. Gives us a real shot at actually developing a QB, and gives us a good safety.

    1. Adams
    2. Malik McDowell (Julius)
    3. LB/OT
    4. LB/OT
    5. CJ Beathard

    • leftcoast dave

      And he has adequate legs which got him injured on more than one occasion. Dude’s got the pedigree, the training, the experience and the heart. Harbaugh redux. Could prove a great second fiddle or even make it to the big time with little risk.

    • Ososfan

      McDowell and Rivers are my favorite D players after Garrett and Adams…. McDowell is definitely not making it past the first.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Who’s Rivers?

        Yeah, Malik looks to go at the bottom of the first, maybe higher.

  • Ososfan

    If Kaaya is still there in the 3rd round we should grab him. Come on Pace!

    • Irish Sweetness

      There aren’t too many good OTs in this draft they reckon, so we have to be making a move on one in the third – or certainly a linebacker. I don’t know who Kaaya is as a person, but his tape doesn’t scream ‘draft me’, and I haven’t read anything good about him.

      Should we be drafting a QB that hasn’t got a decent chance of being our starter?

      I haven’t watched this guy week in week out. Maybe you have and you can share with us what it is we’re missing.

      • Ososfan

        Well, the only reason I mention Kaaya is because Pace and co have shown ALOT of interest in him, Pace went to a numbers on his games personally and during his Kaaya’s pro day and combine….

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          do you blame them for going to see him??? Let’s see its fall/winter in Chicago, anyone want to go to Miami?

  • So, it’s easy to be down on the Bears, but when was the last time we drafted 2 lock-down 8yr starters with PB potential?

    That’s what Whitehair and Howard are.

    If Floyd continues to progress, that’s THREE PB staples going forward, with perhaps a starter or two on the side like Kwiat and Hall.

    That’s Seahawk’s status and amps me up for this draft.

    Let’s hope Pace found his groove and continues with the hits.

    • beninnorcal

      I think Pace has had a pretty good start. I don’t think Fox is the guy going forward, so whoever Pace replaces him with will be his legacy as the Bears GM. It will make or break him.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Can a good coach make lemonade from turds? There’s a lot of Fox hatred on here I don’t understand. If we win the super bowl this year, it will be all Pace and nothing to do with Fox? Bellifat maybe wins two more games last year if he’s our coach? Four?

        • CanadaBear

          If the Bears win the SB this year don’t go outside during an electrical storm.

        • MB30SD

          I don’t get what you see dude. Just always the opposite.

          He’s not the same guy after the heart attack. There’s a reason horseteeth shitcanned him. He might be ugly, but he’s a football badass .

          That and#s don’t lie. Record last two years was?

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t even get worked up over the record. Between the crappy roster and all the injuries it would take a miracle to have a decent record. My issue is all the flat starts, no half time adjustments, the team quit a few times down the stretch last year and his habit of going even more conservative when he needs to do just the opposite.

          • MB30SD

            A coach is only worth his record. I get the injuries thing… But we were close in quite a few games ND a great coach gets us at least one or two of those wins.

            I always called out butch for calling fox the white lovie, but he’s 100% right. Dude’s a flatliner.

            Weekend at Bernie’s man

          • #Albino-Lovie

            http://cdn.highdefdigest.com/uploads/2014/05/17/Weekend_At_Bernies_2.jpg

            edit. Holy shite. Just noticed he looks just like Wanny!

          • MB30SD

            Yep

          • Irish Sweetness

            Just checked, he’s .533.

          • MB30SD

            For us?!?!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Career.

          • MB30SD

            Doooonnnn’t caaaaaaaare.

            What have you done for me lately.

          • Ososfan

            Canada, I don’t believe they quit, I believe FOX is super-conservative and it might have rubbed some players the wrong way, not trying to go for the win, but instead, just try to contain and somehow, hopefully, get a field go for the lead and win, which…. As a former player, would be incredibly boring and deflating…

          • CanadaBear

            Who knows? Down the stretch last year when they lost the last 5 or whatever it was, a couple of those games people looked like they were sleep walking.

          • Yeah, but regardless of WHY they quit, those last 2-3 weeks sure looked like that D just went limp. All yr long they were decent against the run, and towards the end it looked like defenders didn’t want to tackle and were thinking about their butt-tans.

            And the worst part was the repeated refrain by the broadcasters, “These guys are still playing hard”. I’m like, do they have eyes or are they just reading from que cards?

            Maybe it was just a brutal season plagued by injuries, but that team def didn’t give it 100% by seasons end, and no matter what, that falls on Fox.

            Say what you will about Lovie, but at least that never happened on his watch.

          • SC Dave

            I agree, but had Atlanta channeled Fox at halftime, they’d be Super Bowl champs.

          • I think that’s what seperates good from bad coaches.

            It’s not about a coach being “conservative” or “aggressive” – it’s about knowing WHEN to be one or the other.

            Sean Payton onside in SB. Aggressive. Paid off.
            Petey throwing it on the 2yd line. Aggressive. Shouldn’t have been.
            Falcons not running it with lead. Aggressive. Shouldn’t have been.

            Fox has been aggressive at times, but it always seems off, and vice versa (conservative when he should be aggressive).

            Fox’s in-game chops seem severely lacking. Team habitually comes out flat. He seems to be ignorant of game-flow. No apparent half-time adjustment or counters.

            Pretty sure that’s why Elway dumped him.

          • SC Dave

            Yes… excellent. Agree all the way.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Half-time adjustments .. I’ll give you that. At least Lovie did that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How many injuries did we have last year? That’s on him?

            Do you judge people on their worst? How about the two SB appearances? Only 23 coaches have done that.

          • MB30SD

            What have you done for me lately.

            By all accounts he’s a changed man post heart attack.

            There’s a reason horseteeth shitcanned him dude

    • Ososfan

      I’m not down, I’m being patient. Your enthusiasm is contagious!

      • leftcoast dave

        I may be wearing rose colored glasses, but I think we can contend for the north title this year. The biggest team development last year was the gelling of the O line. Unless Kyle has taken a bigger hit than we know, that is HUGE. Now give the Kid and Loggains a little time this off season to put together a passing attack to open up the box for Howard and you’ve got a respectable offense.
        If there is no trade out of three, I expect to see the D line pimped out with an impact player the first pick. Plenty of safeties to get next and the D takes its next step to more than just respectability.

        Rose colored glasses?

        • Ososfan

          I’m with you brotha. And our backup guards played respectable in place of injure Kyle and Sittion so, I agree. I’m wearing them too!

    • willbest

      The being down stems from Pace’s lack of signing Gilmore or Bouye and settling for Prince who might be a shade better than Porter except that Porter is willing to play on one leg and he isn’t.

      You could argue well what did Danny or Nanny get us, but those contracts were considered great value at the time. Prince is an overpay, and its an overpay with no upside for the Bears since he goes to FA after the season.

      Then you have the headscratching paying Glennon more than Cutler over the next 2 years

      • BerwynBomber

        He is NOT paying Glennon more than Cutler over the next two years. Two years of Cutler would have cost us ~30M. Two years of Glennon cost us ~20M.

        Plus, there is NO potential upside of Cutler on the Bears. We know what he is and isn’t. And he is seven years older than Glennon and has a history of injuries.

        • willbest

          Glennon
          2017: cap hit 14 million (paid 16 million)
          2018: cap hit 16 million (paid 15 million)
          2019: cap hit 15 million (paid 14 million)

          Cutler:
          2017: cap hit 16 million (paid 12.5 million + 2.5 active million roster bonus)
          2018: cap hit 17 million (paid 13.5 million + 2.5 active million roster bonus)

          So in terms of W-2 reported income over the next 2 years, they would put the same number down if Cutler had played all 32 games. If Cutler missed 1 game, Glennon would get more money.

          You are correct that you know what Cutler is and what he isn’t. However, expecting Glennon to be significantly better than Josh McCown seems foolish. Even if you account for Lovie being a poor judge of QB.

          I am not saying roll with Cutler. Moving to Glennon makes sense. Paying Glennon better than Cutler however doesn’t.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            You can’t just look at 2017 and 2018 years of Cutler contract. You have to view that contract in its entirety.

            2014 – Cutler base salary $22.5 million (highest paid qb in the league!!!)
            2015 – Cutler base salary $15.5 million
            2016 – Cutler base salary $16 million

            Cutler signed the contract and agreed to those $ numbers for 2017 and 2018 ONLY because he got a overpaid a ton upfront. And now you want to conveniently forget that.

            Cutler fleeced the mccaskeys for over $100 million during his 8 years of shitshow.

            Glennon, no matter much he may suck, is much, much cheaper.

          • willbest

            You don’t know what Cutler would have agreed to. Neither does Pace. And that is all sunk cost now anyway. What you have is the decision that Pace was able to make. And he opted to pay Glennon this year more than he would have paid Cutler. And that holds true for next year too (provided Cutler misses at least 1 game). It does not however hold true for the entire length of the contract because Cutler would be do something like 19 million in 2019.

          • leftcoast dave

            Pace decided to change the culture. Cutty could have agreed to pay for free and he still would have been sent packing, just like AJ.

            Change was needed. It is happening. The message is sent. Is Fuller listening?

          • SC Dave

            You think forte a culture casualty to then?

          • Nah. That was just an age thing.

            Kinda like with Peanut, Lach, Kruetz.

            Those guys were awesome for the locker room, but at one time or another a GM must anticipate a point of diminishing returns.

            Bmarsh, Bennett, for sure, and MAYBE even Alshon, Fuller and Cargo would fall more into that “culture purge” methinks.

          • SC Dave

            Fair enough. I’m just delighted we lucked out with Howard instead of replacing Matt with the likes of Langford.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Matt who?

          • willbest

            Peanut ripped his tricep 2 years in a row (maybe it was 3 since he went on IR for Carolina too). Lach had the will, his body didn’t have the ability.

          • leftcoast dave

            Cull – sure. Cull the herd. Get rid of the riff raff. Cutty was not riff raff, but more of a sign of change. AJ was cull. Fuller might be cull. Tudes need not apply.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Forte who?

          • leftcoast dave

            End of a great run with the Bears. Time to get younger.

          • willbest

            AJ wanted too much. Rumor has it Pace was offering multiyears at 12ish. You just prove yourself a fool when you say AJ was gotten rid of over culture.

          • leftcoast dave

            Rumor.

            And if true, who was writing the terms.

            Culture.

          • willbest

            What wasn’t a rumor was Pace confirmed that they were talking with AJ’s agent. He wouldn’t be talking to AJ’s agent if it was about culture, he would just say “you aren’t part of our future”

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            The last thing Cutler apologists should talk about is someone getting overpaid.

            Cutler has been the definition of Overpaid Underachiever his whole nfl career.

            It is amazing the lengths people will go to argue how Cutler was fairly paid because his so good and how Glennon is so overpaid.

            Cutler is so good that Houston, a team that is completely set up minus a qb and ready for a deep playoff run, will not even consider Cutler “who is so much better than Glennon”.

            I wish Pace had the balls in his first year to do what Houston did with Osweiler this year. Cutler was also a mistake and Pace should have bit the bullet in year 1. They would have been further along today. Pace and Fox wasted two years trying to make things work with Cutler and failed miserably.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. Horrible contract by Emery. We had already seen four or five years of Cutler to determine what he was and we paid him “elite QB” money. Never understood it.

          • CanadaBear

            All because of that comeback against the Factory of Sadness. Apparently that was the game that convinced Emery that Cutler was elite.

          • MB30SD

            Stripsack Shitshow

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good for Jay.

          • leftcoast dave

            Agree with that. I still remember that game when he had already been concussed, scrambled to just before the line of scrimmage and stayed upright to hit a target for the first down, only to take a punishing hit taking him out with the second ass whoop hit of the game.

            I give him all the credit in the world for being a stand up guy and wish him the best of life in retirement spending the money he earned and he earned every penny.

          • Would you rather Pace have paid the Destroya $6m/yr instead of gambling on Glennon?

          • willbest

            This comes from somebody that hates Destroya because he doesn’t have an NFL arm even if he has an NFL head. Yes, I would rather spend $6 million on hoyer than $18 million on Glennon. I don’t think Glennon provides enough of a promise to pay that much more money.

            I also hope to hell I have to eat crow, btw. I am always happy to be wrong about bears negativity.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yup, my mistake. Was thinking guaranteed money only with Glennon but not with Cutler. Still, the difference is basically 1M over two years.

            Yes, Glennon might suck but there is a chance he is as good or better than Cutty or Hoyer. So you bet on his ceiling given his age.

      • leftcoast dave

        Paying for CB’s was clearly stopgap, what FA should be. While I was in favor of paying up at S or DL, in retrospect it looks like Pace wisely took the short term route with the exception of Dion Sims who looks to me like just what the doctor ordered at TE, a big body blocker who can catch the dump downs and become Glenny’s best friend.
        Pace may be resigned to the fact that he will be stuck with BPA at three instead of having the preferred option to trade down for more picks. If so, that means da Bears will be back to having a great DL three with a lot less cigar smoke rising before a pass is thrown. That will make even average DB’s look a whole lot better.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        LOL.. The last thing Cutler apologists should talk about is someone getting overpaid.

        That Gilmore contract is nuts. He is no Revis during his prime or Talib. Glad Pace backed off once the numbers got insane.

      • Sahr Gborie

        A good amount of Bears fans are afraid of moving on from Cutty because of the stability he brought to the position. In his time with the Bears we did not have to worry about drafting a QB until the last 3 yrs. Previous to that his presence on the team allowed us to focus on building a team he could compete with.

        Pace has watched Cutty for 2 years and knows what he is and is not. He has placed a cap on his ceiling and must think that Glennons floor is higher than Cuttys ceiling. If that is the case Pace must believe that Glennon can take the Bears further with the addition of free agents and the draft. Glennon is a chance to move in a new direction. I’m not comfortable with it but I’m willing to give it a shot.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Cutty is injured, most likely. That’s why he isn’t signed to another team.
          Pace would likely not have signed Glennon if it wasn’t so.

          • willbest

            No its fair to move on from Cutler, but it is unsurprising he isn’t employed elsewhere if he is still rehabbing. Plus Cutler has fuck you money. He doesn’t need to rack up another couple concussions cashing checks for an uncompetitive team or holding Andrew Luck’s clipboard

          • SC Dave

            I dunno… the clipboard gig might be appealing.

      • There is NO reason Cutler shouldn’t get $20M/yr like Cousins aside from him being Cargo.

        You gonna tell me Cousins had more tools coming into the NFL than Cutler? There’s a reason Cutler was a 1st and Cousins a 4rth.

        Glennon getting more than Cutler says more about Cargo underachieving to the point where teams don’t even want him as a backup than it does about Glennon getting more than he deserves.

        And here’s another thought. How BAD does Cutler have to be for Pace to “overpay” for an unknown like Glennon?

        How awful does Cutler have to be for the Jets to prefer McCown, or the 9ers Hoyer, or the Browns essentially saying, “thanks, but no thanks” – or the Texans waiting trying to move heaven and earth for anyone but Cutler?

        So, yes, I personally don’t mind putting a lil more sauce on the black-jack table than just sticking to the nickle slots like pussies.

        • willbest

          “Glennon getting more than Cutler says more about Cargo underachieving to the point where teams don’t even want him as a backup”

          You are operating under the assumption that Cargo either wants to be a backup or cash a paycheck in Cleveland/NY/San Fran. He has a min of $40 million in the bank after fed taxes, wife taxes, etc.

          Yeah he will play for Houston, but its possible that Houston might think that anybody that can achiever Hoyer+ in skill will get them past New England in the AFCC. But after paying $18 million to a QB to shit the bed, they are no doubt gun shy about a guy that is still rehabbing his throwing arm.

        • leftcoast dave

          Cutty did not underachieve. He put out and got wasted. Let the man enjoy his life and name his price for going back out there to get his head beat in again. If nobody wants to pay the price he names, so be it. Say la vie, in butchered frog talk.

          • haha, Cutler dooooon’t care what some random dudes on a blog write.
            He’s not about to give Waffle his kidney for sticking up for him, nor is he gonna send his unvaxed rugrats over to bite me.

            I didn’t even bring him up in my original post cuz it was a positive outlook on the Bears.

            But claiming that Glennon should not get paid more than Cutler is nuts.

            The market has obviously spoken (and no, doesn’t matter if Cutler is inj or not cuz last time I checked that counts too).

            These are the same guys who didn’t want Hoyer. Don’t wanna “overpay” Glennon. Yet are somehow OK with an inj prone turnover machine who NO team wants.

            Cray-cray.

          • MB30SD

            in the membrane. I dont get it.

      • SC Dave

        Freeman and Hicks were both excellent acquisitions

        • willbest

          Also value gets. Cooper has the chance to be that value get. Demps could be too if his body lets him.

          • leftcoast dave

            Sims more so. Add to OL. Add to targets. TE = QB’s best friend.

    • Johnnywad

      8 year starting RB? Good luck.

      • willbest

        Forte did it.

        • Johnnywad

          Yes. Yes he did.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Forte was an 8yr starter was he not?

        • And Howard looks just as sturdy. He’s built for the workhorse role.

          • Johnnywad

            Completely different running style. 8 years as a starter seems pretty unlikely.

          • Maybe, but it’s not unheard of. Gore, Lynch physical running styles and put up about 8 good yrs.

            Just depends on the Oline, if Howard is spelled (or driven to the ground) and the offense being able to get that S out of the box.

            Could a fat linemen roll up on Howard from behind and break his ankle? Naturally.

            But Howard, barring inj, will only get better in the next two yrs, and hit his prime after that.

            That’s as much as any team can ask from a modern day HB rook.

          • SC Dave

            Howard has a tough road to be the best Bear RB since Walter. But I have to say his start was crazy strong.

            I know we love to tease Irish, but I was not on the Howard bandwagon until he convinced me right about preseason game 4

          • You called it early.

            Though many of us were scratching our heads why Howard wasn’t starting sooner esp after the dismal by whats his name.

            They would put Howard in. He’d ripp off chunk yds, then take him out. Like, wtf?

            Took a damn inj to convince Lovie to bench Cedrunk, oh, I mean, for Fox to start Howard.

            I like the Cunningham signing too. Think he’s the perfect complement to Howard and should save him some mileage.

            What we did to Forte in that losing season where he caught like 100 balls was almost criminal. Prolly took some years off his life smh

          • SC Dave

            Agreed. You guys all know I loved Matt.

            He was a fucking stud, regardless of what the detractors might write.

          • I think some give Forte shit cuz he was never a bull-dozer.
            But those are prolly the same meatheads who didn’t like Hoyer cuz he couldn’t sling it 50yds into triple coverage while peddling backwards.

            There’s something to be said for a reliable player.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Hoyer couldn’t throw it 13 yards into any type of coverage.

          • MB30SD

            Erra once in a while… His illogically crazy ramblings hit on something

          • SC Dave

            Yup… see my comment in response to that crazy shit he posted about years as a starter.

        • Johnnywad

          Yes. And it was rare.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Walter Payton -13 years. Neal – 8. TJ – 12.

          • SC Dave

            Neal Anderson never had 300 carries in his career, and only started every game in a season twice. His first season he had 35 carries. Sorry, that does not remotely count as an eight year “starter”.

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeNe00.htm

            Thomas Jones started 18 games total over his first four seasons. I have no idea what you fucking criteria is for “starter”, but I am sure it differs from what most of us would consider it.

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneTh00.htm

            In short, your claims are bullshit other than WP, of course. Although the actual facts show he started 7 games his rookie season, so “technically” one could say 12 and 1/2. But 13 is good.

          • leftcoast dave

            Howard was picked because he was just that workhorse at Indiana, often even in uptempo. Can he do this for eight years? Odds are agin it, but the dude has heart and it comes from his back story. Will he lose that edge? Not likely.
            This year Loggains has a QB to develop a passing game with plenty of options playing behind the best O line da Bears have had in many, many years. That should take some of the work load off of Howard along with Benny the Jett to hopefully make for a better balanced attack and help keep Howard young.

          • Irish Sweetness

            When Neal or TJ were healthy, they started. Ergo they were starters.

          • Johnnywad

            I know that it has been done. I also know that it’s uncommon. It’s also even more uncommon when said back is your only proven weapon.

    • EnderWiggin

      I thought we shitcanned Hall after he hit a cop..

      I’d like to add LeBlanc to that list. He’ll never be a PB corner, but he could be our nickle for a long time while helping specials to the next level. Of course I realize, for our special teams to step up, we are going to need about 5 or 6 more dudes that can consistently block/tackle.

      • Nah, Hall will still be on the team. The NFL formula for cutting goes

        UFDA- Late for a meeting. Cut
        7th rder- J-walking. Cut
        6th rder. Public urniation. Cut
        5th rder. Disorderly conduct. Cut?
        4rth rder. Domestic abuse. How good are you again?
        3rd rder. Bank robbery. Suspended 2 games.
        2nd rder. Drug smuggling and human trafficking. Traded.
        1st rder. Serial baby sacrificing to satan. Probation.

        • SC Dave

          That was funny. Especially the traded one.

          Thanks Butch.

  • SC Dave

    Ok…. this afternoon in Aiken SC after 8+ miles of barefoot hiking in Sumter National Forest…

    Bell’s Two Hearted Ale
    Victory Golden Monkey Tripel
    Stone Pataskala Red IPA
    Ballast Point Victory at Sea

    Goddamm that is some *fucking* good beer. Consumed outside, of course. 70 degrees wirh full sun. IMPOSSIBLE to be better weather.

    While paying by the oz. costs a little more, I can control how much I pour.

    Some days….

    Life. Is. Good.

    • SC Dave

      But I need to be sure to gtf out of here before the Masters crowd comes back.

      Edit: All good as of about three hours ago.

    • Johnnywad

      Two Hearted is easily my favorite IPA. Every time I try another, I’m disappointed.

      • Bender McLugh

        My two favorite IPAs:
        Lot 3 IPA, Evolution
        90 minute IPA, DogfishHead

        • SC Dave

          I’ll have to try that Evolution

          • Bender McLugh

            There’s a Lot 6 too, haven’t had that yet

      • Bender McLugh

        Also, Corsendonk Abbey Pale Ale is damn enjoyable & refreshing

      • willbest

        I am a fan of two-hearted

      • SC Dave

        Seems you like yours lower IBU.

        S’all good…

        We are living in an era of great beer now. E.N.J.O.Y!

        • Johnnywad

          I’m not really sure. Two Hearted carries an IBU of 55. My second favorite is Arcadia Ales Hopmouth. Give it a try if you see it. It won’t disappoint. But it carries an IBU of 76. I’m not really sophisticated enough to know why. I just know I like them both. I stick to a pretty narrow window of craft beers.

  • BearDown100393

    The Masters seems to bring out maximum optimism for the Bears season.

    19-0

  • leftcoast dave

    Gentlemen, and I use that term loosely, there must be at least one or two dead equine left unpummeled with three weeks to go before the draft?

    • SC Dave

      Unpummeled, did you mean?

      • leftcoast dave

        Thank you for the needed edit.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think the only horse not flogged has been guys that we want in later rounds. I didn’t go that far this year. I’ve got no Howard to shout for this time.

      I’m pulling for the trade-back. Value. More high picks, that’s how we get better. Adams would be nice, but we have a ton of shit on the roster.

  • MB30SD
    • King of DBB

      Cause if there’s anything a repressed ultra-competitive gay needs to be made into a guy driven even harder to win – it’s being mocked.

      • MB30SD

        dude, you using that site I shot you?!

        Fucking ridiculous. I’ve gotten off all the others. fucking the best thing in the world.

        • King of DBB

          its like your favorite casino where you find a blackjack dealer on the take

          you just win and win some more

          • MB30SD

            right!?

            Was hanging with some peeps and one asked me if I still also normally date chicks in their 30s. I thought for a second and said… why the fuck would I?!

            It’s like the anti-eHarmony… with only hot chicks in their 20s who don’t want any commitment. Amazing.

            And I really don’t mean to sound like a fucking dickbag, but dude… I’ve shown you it’s true. like holy fuck.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Conversation? Connection? I wouldn’t know what to say to somebody that young after about ten minutes.

          • MB30SD

            me neither

          • Johnnywad

            Prolly cuz she’s gargling balls.

          • MB30SD

            Seriously, who needs to talk to them!!??

          • King of DBB

            Ball gargling might be why Olivia left as well

          • willbest

            As opposed to all the 40 year old women you talk about religion, dark energy, whether or not any modern author has the makings of the next Hemingway?

          • CanadaBear

            You could help her with her homework! I’m way too old for any of this stuff but I’m with ya. Although from what it sounds like, talking isn’t high on their list.

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha… Ok, here’s the real lo down Canada. There are younger girls who are more mature or smarter or just more career focused and driven… and they’ve come to realize through reading or maybe one of their friends or experience, that older guys have their shit together, can teach them things (no not just sexually) they want to learn, can buy them nice dinners, teach them about wine, travel, business, love, etc, have a house of their own without 10 idiotic roommates, etc… Etc…

            These girls are usually not the vapid boring great body only types… They’re the great body with the desire drive and smarts…. And we both get what we’re looking for, it’s totally and utterly a win win. It’s perfect for me because both parties aren’t looking for anything serious or monogamous, which is basically stated up front… So there’s no “playing” or hurt feelings.

          • CanadaBear

            And to think how many times I got drunk chasing pussy. DAMN! I was born too soon!

          • MB30SD

            Canada… The innerness is a fucking Revelation my man. I can’t tell you just how easy it is these days as long as you’re not a total knob

          • CanadaBear

            Honestly, I never thought it was difficult picking up women in the old days (as long as you were relatively sober) but nothing like this. Glad you’re cutting a wide swath. Some of us are counting on ya!!!!!!!!!

          • Tard fucker!

          • MB30SD

            That’s you…

      • BearDown100393

        Cause it is so much more dignified for Terrible Ted to muff dive a 94 year old matriarch.

      • That’s how Alexander the Great started.

    • Funky cold munn-dina

      • MB30SD

        not bad

    • BerwynBomber

      The Bears org trolling Rodgers seems stupid and juvenile. Even beyond mocking a guy’s personal life, is it really smart to piss the guy off?

      Semi-reminiscent of last off-season when Lamar Houston publicly stated that he had no respect for Rodgers because the latter showboated. Yup, this coming from a clown who blew out his ACL while celebrating a sack in a blowout loss. SMFH.

      I don’t expect our organization to be Pats-like on-point and act like adults, but the sooner we aspire to it the better.

      • MB30SD

        I thought the exact same thing.

        Doing that to a guy who’s totally powned us for 10 years was idiotic, never mind that it was about something as personal and private as getting dumped by your beard

        • SC Dave

          Smfh sideways, upside down, and all the rest.

          Especially since we JUST GOT RID of the Cutler disadvantage.

    • CanadaBear

      I love how the Trib did it. Subtle but fucking cold!

      https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/850351552682446848/photo/1

  • King of DBB

    So Trump is moving a carrier strike fleet into the Sea of Japan.

    I’m sure that will go greeeeaaaat.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Or rather, the Joint Chiefs told him they were moving a fleet. Once more the USA goes to Japan’s defense .. .at the American Taxpayer’s expense.

      We miss you Bill.

      • willbest

        If we don’t save the Japanese who will make the sex robots?

    • leftcoast dave

      Hillary’s fashion model Kim Jong un sent a ballistic missile up just as XI of China came here to visit.

      Now April 15 is their favorite day to beat their chests. We already sent ABMs to SoKo earlier this year. This might involve some skeet shooting. Or would you rather Kim Jong be allowed to continue testing ballistic missiles, knowing he has a half a dozen nukes he wants to wed them to?

      • King of DBB

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/mike-mullen-and-sam-nunn-how-to-deal-with-north-korea/2016/09/15/3baa4ade-7ab1-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html?utm_term=.fcc5af29c880

        Only item 4 here mentions adding more ABM to the Navy. And even then, don’t pull them up to the shoreline.

        Imagine you have a gang of little slant-eyed Korean motherfuckers robbing old ladies in the subway. There are a bunch of them, and they threatened to bomb the subway if too many of them get arrested. They are little twerps and you could slap the shit out of them easily, really fuck them up – but they keep coming back.

        Is the best way to deal with them to walk up to them on the Subway and pull out your 44 Mag and say “make my day?”. Maybe. But maybe not.

        • leftcoast dave
          • King of DBB

            let’s put silo based nukes near Seoul.

            let’s put nukes in the ground in a nation where infiltration by foreign agents is trivial because they are all the same people. Despite having SBM right off the enemy coast that can decimate them in minutes, let’s put a nuke into a place where there is much higher probability that it can be reached or sabotaged by the enemy.

            excellent thinking.

            Let’s put nukes in eastern Turkey too.

          • leftcoast dave

            Actually, we had nukes in Turkey and that is what St. John the Kennedy almost took us to nookier war over.

            I do not think anybody wants to put any nukes in the SoKo, its more a matter of getting rid of the ones in NoKo.

          • MB30SD

            Going to be in your hood in a few hours. Woot!

          • leftcoast dave

            Expect sunny and a cool, dry 83 degrees.

            https://desertweather.com/

          • MB30SD

            Fucking perfect! Thanks!

            We rented a house with a big pool and jacuzzi, the kids only get out to eat the whole weekend pretty much.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            nukes for everyone!!!

          • MB30SD

            And you get a nuke… And you get a nuke… And you get a nuke…

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            exactly Oprah the hell out of them.

          • willbest

            Norks essentially demonstrated they could hit Bejing, Tokyo, Moscow, and even the Western half of the US.

            The Trac in me has me thinking that Syria was a stage show for Krazy Kim. Trump is basically, like “You think you are loco, I will piss off a nuclear power with another nuclear power standing right next to me.”

          • leftcoast dave

            Trump should not even show him where the line is. Let him find out the hard way. With Iran further along with their missiles, the target practice will do us good, practicing on taking out whatever that idiot decides to launch.

          • SC Dave

            Let the Israelis take care of Iran. They would have right on their side.

          • King of DBB

            even Oprah could not save Pontiac.

          • King of DBB
          • Where’s Superman when you need him?

          • SC Dave

            I want that little toker the Martians used in Mars Attacks!

          • leftcoast dave

            Dooooood! One of my favorite three movies of all time! I’ve watched it at least 20 times. Being There is number one, My Cousin Vinney rounds them out.

          • SC Dave

            Amazing!! I’ve known few that know what Being There is, and none that rank it remotely close to what it deserves.

            A truly great comedy.

            But my favorite mivie is still 2001.

          • leftcoast dave

            Dave, Dave, what are you doing, Dave?

          • The nukes in Turkey didn’t matter cuz our subs could’ve nuked the U.S.S.R anyways (and there’s this lil known state called Alaska which borders Russia. It’s close enough for republicans to look out the window and see Russians farming turnips).

            The same with Cuba. The Russians could’ve nuked us from their subs anyways.

            Taking nukes out of Cuba and Turkey were symbolic gestures, only that the U.S. won the war of symbolism cuz Cuba taking nukes out was public, while the U.S. taking them from Turkey was behind the scene.

            So, yes, in some alternate universe the earth is a nuclear wasteland where mole-ppl live underground over…symbolism.

            USA USA!

          • SC Dave

            Turkey is far closer to population centers than Alaska.

            In fact, the entire Cuba thing was the Soviets trying to give us a taste of our own medicine.

          • leftcoast dave

            It was Niki taking the measure of St. John the Kennedy and Kennedy blinked, but that only happened after Kennedy went wobbly and betrayed the Cuban ex-pats. Then, to grab his junk, Kennedy put us into Viet Nam after having his CIA wack their president, a fellow Catholic, by the way.
            History don’t tell it that way, but who writes history these days?

    • Johnnywad

      I’m generally pretty detached from these events. It never goes as planned and we never seem to get a clear picture of what happened or what will happen.

      But that said, is Russia really willing to duke it out with us over that little shit weasle, Assad? And further, is China serious about NK? How could they be? What do either of these “superpowers” want with these two regimes/countries? Why have any skin in the game at all with a generally worthless chunk of real estate on either front? Other than just to be contrarian. I gotta think right now, they’re both looking at Trump, and thinking “Fuck, he really is crazy.”

      Now what?

      • leftcoast dave

        The problem is that nutcase in NoKo was allowed to develop nukes and is now developing missiles to deliver them with many saying they might actually be able to hit us now, if not within a year.

        Gonna let that happen?

        Let Trump show him that he is crazy. Go ahead, launch another one, dude. Oops, we shot it down. Now get everything you have out of the air in the next hour or it goes down. Its not like the generals don’t already have plans for what they are going to do to de fang this fat boy.

        • Johnnywad

          And when China tags in?

          • Meatheads don’t think that far.

            Another thing to think about is if we do invade NK (nevermind their million man standing army), their nukes could already reach Japan and S. Korea, and they’re crazy enough to nuke them if they feel they’re about to be toppled.

            Then what does the U.S. do?

            Sometimes part of me thinks that we should allow the Japanese to militarize and let them worry about it, but maybe that just escalates shit.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah. Not sure another standing army full of a people historically given to fanaticism is a great idea.

          • They have a STANDING 1M army. It’s estimated they have 7M in reserves.

            During WW2 it was estimated the U.S. would lose at least 500,000 soldiers if they invaded Japan proper. So instead, we just nuked them.

            Now, there’s a real possibility that many of those N.Korean soldiers just fold like tents a la Iraq (doubt it), but that still doesn’t mean Kim-Jon Un doesn’t reach his stubby lil fingers to launch nukes at Japan and S. Korea.

            This is the only reason why N.K still exists.

            And this is why Iran and every other “rogue” country wants nukes, as a deterrent from outside invasion.

          • Johnnywad

            I was referring to your comment about militarizing Japan.

          • Yeah, I agree, and in fact, the Japanese don’t really trust themselves with becoming a military power again.

            Let them use their samurai energy to create better gaming consoles and sex robots.

            However, for as long as they’re not militarized, the U.S. will effectively have to act as their defacto protector.

          • SC Dave

            Oh fuck… six weeks of phoney war and the Koreans have to quit because too many soldiers are incapacitated by malnutrition.

      • China doesn’t give a shit about N.K. In fact, Chinese traditionally hate Koreans and deem them inferior, and no amount of communist reprogramming can whitewash 5,000 yrs of prejudice.

        However, what they do care about is having a “buffer” and a 1M standing army of fanatics to call on in case the shit finally goes down with the west. Per usual, it’s about self-preservation, not lofty ideology.

        It was the same with the USSR and East Berlin or Cuba.

        They never gave a fuck about the East Germans or Cubans, but they had to “protect” their satellites in order to save face and use them as political pawns.

        We were a hair away from Nuclear holocaust over lil ole Cuba, a country mainly known for only fucking cigars.

        So China defending NK somehow makes sense in the their eyes.

        • willbest

          Pretty sure that if something happens in NK it will be done in coordination with Bejing, or at least their consent. The son is a Nutter and more trouble than he is worth.

          • leftcoast dave

            Trump did Syria with XI there dining with him after his grand kids sang songs in Mandarine to the Chinese leader. (How classy was that?) Doubtless, they talked after Kim Jong lobbed a ballistic missile toward Japan just as XI was arriving to meet Trump. Smart? Then after the attack on Syria, there was certainly more discussion as it relates to Kim Jong.
            Clearly, the Chinese know this is in the cards and are they going to want to expend capital on Kim Jong when there is so much else on their agenda? Trump has already told him our goals there are merely to take out the nut and his nook program and likely also said he wanted to ramp down the militarization of the entire peninsula, something which would make China happy. As long as Kim Jong has missiles, we will have anti-missile defense systems in SoKo with radar and range well into China. That does not make them happy.

          • Well, yes, we can’t just invade NK without the Chinese permission.

            Would be like China invading Mexico.

            Only real way this gets solved is by China installing a puppet regime in NK. It would be better for everyone if that happens, the Chinese, the U.S., SK, Japan and our allies, but will the NK military allow that?

            Kim Jong could easily launch nukes at China too if he feels he’s about to get taken out. That’s the problem with having a delusional dictator with nukes.

            It would have to be a Godfather hit where the Chinese somehow disable NK nukes while assassinating Kim (and all his family) and promoting one of their more opportunistic and sensible generals.

            If I were Trump, that’s what I’d be talking about with China, reminding them of our economic marriage.

          • leftcoast dave

            Not sure if the train has already left the station. We stationed or best missile defense platform in SoKo earlier this year and it’s spittin’ distance from Pyongyang. The carrier task force will be flanking on the east where Jong’s second big target would be, Japan. Doubt he’d attack the Chinese, but he is crazy. I think China would be happy to let us do this. So far, no comment from China about the carrier group which might be telling.

            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39542990

          • willbest

            Quite frankly I think the only thing that prevents China from doing that, is their lack of trust in our willingness to use our anti-missle technology to protect them. And they are right to not trust us. Bill Kristol has been furiously masturbating on twitter the last two days at the prospect of nuclear war.

            It doesn’t matter who we fucking put in office, the neocons will get their hooks on him. I didn’t really expect much from Trump outside a strict constructionalist high priest, but I thought he would hold out longer than 80 days before the establishment breached the gate.

          • leftcoast dave

            When Barry O left office, he said NoKo was the biggest threat we faced.

            Clearly, Trump and Xi spoke about it. You imply that it is “the neocons” who are pushing for a military solution, suggesting that to be bad.

            Your preferred option to dealing with Kim Jong?

          • SC Dave

            Well, they would not care about a Barry O apology. Perhaps that affected his assessment.

          • willbest

            Krazy Kim is one thing. And quite frankly him demonstrating the ability to hit half the planet, is unacceptable. And as long as Xi, Abe, Trump, and whoever is running SK are on the same page, God bless. But fing around in Syria is quite another. How do you show Xi you are serious about letting him have his puppet in NK if you won’t let Putin have his in Syria? Especially when Assad isn’t a new Putin puppet. He is just an old one that got caught in some ISIS blowback that we not only gave a big yawn to when they were forming up, but even supplied weaponry to.

          • leftcoast dave

            And we need to show Xi whatever why? It really don’t matter how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. All that matters is what must be done about Kim Jong. I really do not know whether the attack on Assad would have happened, but for Jong firing off a BM just as Xi arrived and Trump & Co thinking Assad just presented them with the opportunity to demonstrate “resolve.” Kill a chicken to scare the monkeys? Sure did send a message. Returning the carrier task force? Yep.

            Ok Jong, your move. April 15 is your day to show your stuff.

          • SC Dave

            It would be best ESPECIALLY for the North Koreans.

  • willbest

    I just don’t comprehend the whole “how can you connect line” coming from dudes, especially when they know there isn’t any long term interest involved.

    • MB30SD

      Bingo! And to be honest, the girls who are looking for older guys to hang with get it… It’s clicked that hanging out with boys and their 4 roommates​ smoking bong rips and eating taco Bell on their couch for a date sucks.

  • King of DBB

    Are you one of those meatball eating greaseball Italians? Not even a proper white person?

  • CanadaBear

    When I was dating my Beloved Bride it used to make me laugh. She’s 13 years younger than me and looks 20 years younger. All these divorced women around my age would look at us and give me the “I just ate a grapefruit” stare. I’d always smile and try to convey with a look, “Damn right I’m with a younger woman. If you weren’t such a fucking bitter pill you might still be married.” That’s the part that gets me sometimes, take some responsibility for the situation you find yourself in.

    • MB30SD

      Bingo!!!!

      I have a big group of chick friends… One is even a pretty popular match maker here. You can imagine the angst I get when I hang with them. They’re all 40ish and it burns them up to see me going out with all these 20ish yr olds.

      I told one of them I was dating a 36 yr old once and her response… Oh thank god mr. Peter pan… Finally someone age appropriate.

      I just rolled my eyes

    • SC Dave

      I just so dont get the whole divorce world. Maybe I should only date widows.

      • CanadaBear

        The only thing I really noticed after my divorce was how bitter most divorcees were. Almost always the guy’s fault. It was like every woman was married to Ike Turner. Maybe, just maybe, they had a hand in the marriage crumbling but most of them would never admit it. Really odd.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    2011 NFL draft

    #1 – Cam Newton
    #8 – Jake Locker
    #10 – Blaine Gabbert
    #12 – Christian Ponder

    3 big time busts in the top 12. #35 Andy Dalton and #36 Colin Kaepernick turned out a bit better.

    This was clearly the case of “I need to take a qb before they are gone”. Hope Pace stays away from this lemming strategy.

    • Ososfan

      Chandler Jones’ draft ghost still haunts us…

    • leftcoast dave

      C. J. Beathard. Get him in the 5th or lower.
      Hariball redux.

    • Mentioned this already, how this draft reminds me of 2011 minus Cam.

      Much like in this draft, no consensus after Cam. Some liked Locker, other, Ponder, others Gabbert (as a matter of fact, Mayock had Gabbert graded OVER Cam. So think about that with his Kizer love).

      At the time many said, “they really should be 2nd rounders, but need will push them up” which reflects what they’re saying about Trub, et al.

      Obviously Gabbert, Ponder and Locker showed enough for GMs to sell themselves, and no doubt history will repeat.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    2012 NFL draft

    #1 Andrew Luck
    #2 RGIII
    #8 Ryan Tannehill
    #22 Brandon Weeden
    #57 Brock Osweiler
    #75 Russell Wilson
    #88 Nick Foles
    #102 Kirk Cousins

    After 5 years, we have 2 first round starters and 2 fourth round starters.

    • willbest

      Except for the part where #75 is between 65 and 96 so its in the 3rd round.

      • and the part where those are pretty much the only quality starters to come out of the 3rd/4th round from 2011-15. Less than 10% (4/56, though that excludes Siemian and Glennon, who both have a chance) of 3rd+ round picks in that 5 year span developed into average or better starters. Roughly half (8/17, and that’s excluding Garroppolo, who might still) of 1st/2nd round picks did.

        Play the odds. They’re much better if you invest in one of the top guys.

        • But how many 3rd rounders and beyond were actually given chances?
          Did you compare 1st and 2nd rounders to 3rd rounders and beyond who were actually given a real shot to start?

          I bet that % changes once that’s factored.

          Even a guy like Glennon never really got a shot cuz he was Lovied once they drafted Winston.

          Also, the NFL will always be littered by 1st rd QB trash that has not yet been dumped simply due to draft status. I.E. Bortles.

          • If you’re good, sooner or later you get a chance. We’ve seen that with Cousins, Siemian, and Tyrod Taylor. Jimmy G will get his shot somewhere eventually too.

            I didn’t count Bortles as a hit. He’s a miss. I only counted guys who turned into solid starters. Bridgewater was the “hit” cutoff, with Kaepernick the top “miss.”

          • “If you’re good, sooner or later you get a chance”

            That is HIGHLY debatable.

            Do Brady, Warner, Dak, etc get extended auditions if the original starters don’t go down?

            Heck, what if RG3 wasn’t hurt – Cousins get a chance?

            Lots of time what happens with those QBs outside the 1st-2nd is they get buried behind other QBs and never get a true chance.

            What happened to Glennon is exhibit A (and he was a 2nd).

            Given some starts, but the team is really planning for “upgrade” all along.

            It’s rare for a a lower rd QB to get a fair competition.

            In fact, I can only think of Petey doing that with Wilson.

            The other times the starter must go down, and even then, if the later rd QB struggles even a little he’s given the boot next season (see Barkley/Hoyer).

          • Johnnywad

            QB talent does not stay hidden. Jimmy G has played what, two games? He’s gonna eventually land starter money before he’s even a starter.

            Look at Matt Cassel. Dude was never even a starter in college. Matt Flynn?

            If anything, quarterbacks are given the red carpet treatment. Anybody that even so much as flashes a few plays in meaningless pre season games is pined over for years to come.

            The reality is, there’s about ten guys on the planet that can do it really well. Then fifteen or so more that are good enough to start for ten years in the league. Then varying degrees of “everybody else”.

            Every once in a while, the stars align, and a Kurt Warner emerges from the “everybody else” group and folks wander the QB desert, trying to replicate the miracle, for the next twenty years looking for a project to turn into an MVP.

          • leftcoast dave

            As opposed to wasting a pick on a flyer when you have more pressing needs and the odds are you could get a contributor with that pick?

          • Glennon was a 3rd, and he got a chance. He got the better part of 2 years to play. He wasn’t terrible, but wasn’t particularly good either, which was why his team decided to move on from him.

            Now he’s getting another chance.

          • leftcoast dave

            Kurt Warner. Just go to the arena league and maybe they will give you your shot. Hell, I think Barkley will get it in SF.
            But what does any of that have to do with wasting a draft pick on somebody else’s consensus when you know that in the first three rounds your picks have a much higher probability of contributing than a QB?

          • willbest

            I don’t know how true that is. Hasselbeck, Brady, Kaep, Wilson, all got out behind presumed starters. Dak wasn’t going to play if Romo were healthy this year but I have a hard time believing Garrett wouldn’t have seen his value in practice. How many lives do Josh McCown and Brian Hoyer have?

            There might be a few that get missed, but I don’t think we are talking about dozens of pro-bowl could have beens if only XYZ got injured.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          The flaw in your logic is that this isn’t a lottery. Every ticket in the lottery has same potential to win the jackpot.

          Not every qb has the same potential. They have to have something in them that is deserving of first round pick.

          Geno Smith would not have turned magically into a great quarterback if he was picked #3.

          EJ Manuel was a first round pick but he did not deserve to be a first round pick. Same with Gabbert, Ponder, Weeden etc. etc.

          Take your shot early is a dumb strategy. First and foremost the guy has to have intrinsic value to justify a first round selection. To pick a guy not because he could be picked on his own talent but because he may be picked by some other team before round 2 is stupid.

          There is another reason why reaching for QB in first round is bad, bad strategy for the player, the GM, the coach, the team and everyone. It puts undue pressure on everyone. The GM is under pressure to prove that he has made the right decision. The Coach is under the same pressure. The player has to learn a whole new language and show to the fanbase he is everything they hope for and more. And that alone leads to first round busts.

          I bet if EJ Manuel was a third round pick, he would be in a much better position in the league today.

          • I’m not advocating taking a 3rd round QB in round 1 because it magically increases the odds. I’m advocating taking one of the top 4 QBs widely viewed as 1st-2nd round talents in this years’ draft because the odds are better that you’ll hit on one of them than waiting for the mid-late round guys Andrew profiled above.

          • leftcoast dave

            “Well gosh no, ma, I won’t jump off a cliff just because everybody else does, ok?”

            Jordan Howard was not “widely viewed” as a even fourth round pick. So, “widely viewed” means exactly what?

          • the guys viewed as top QB prospects have recently had about a 50% chance of panning out. The guys not viewed as top QB prospects have had about a 10% chance.

            I’d rather go for the 50% shot myself.

          • That’s not to say that exactly 2 of the top 4 guys this year will pan out, or exactly one of the rest. Just that the odds are better a top guy will pan out than anybody else.

            Obviously there’s a lot of scouting work that has to go into identifying which guys you think will do it, but generally speaking, you have a better chance with the top guys than everybody else. Which will probably be true of every position, I just happen to have numbers on the QB because I’ve written about it several times in the last year.

            Why is this such a difficult concept for people to grasp? Higher picks have a better chance of panning out, and so if you don’t have a QB you should be investing a high pick in one. You might fail, but your odds of success are better than not investing a high pick, which makes it worth the risk. Identify your guy, draft him, and hope for the best.

          • willbest

            The scratch off lotto tickets with their different odds for different prizes disagrees with you.

    • leftcoast dave

      Howard was a fifth.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        I know. Was just talking about qbs.

        • leftcoast dave

          We, they, whoever? Nevermind.

          But what a hell of a fifth!

  • madscout12

    The only thing that matters at the QB position is guys who are bites at the apple. They have to have arm talent. They have to move well enough. They have to be accurate. They have to make good decisions. And they have to be personable, or at least someone guys will follow.

    Guys on the roster:
    Glennon is a bite at the apple.
    Sanchez isn’t
    Shaw maybe

    Pace has set himself up to take a bite at the apple this year in the draft, and 1 each in free agency/the draft next year. Guys in this year’s draft who are bites at the apple: Turbisky, Watson, Mahomes,Webb, and Kelly (at least). There may be more.

    The problem this year at taking Trubs, Watson, and possibly Mahomes is it will take a 1st rounder to get them. If we do that, the Chicago media will be all over the guy, and we’ll have play him. We have too many other needs. Take a guy who’s there in the 4th or later and see if he comes to play. Kelly fits that bill.

    This approach is all simple math. If a guy has any reasonable possibility of succeeding (read: not David Fales), he brings your chances of finding a guy up. For simplicity, if every QB has a 25% probability of being in the top half of QBs, then:
    Probability of Success
    1 QB: .25
    2 QB: = 1 – (.75^2) = .4375
    3 QB: = .578
    4 QB = .684
    etc.

    We need to take some bites, and every single QB in the room has to be a guy who could be a starter. I’m hoping Sanchez throws a ton in pre-season, and then gets traded to a contender so he isn’t taking up a roster spot for a guy who’s hungry.

    • Johnnywad

      I would guess at least a couple of those guys will be available with the Bears’ 2nd pick.

    • Bender McLugh

      Agree with the last, I think I understann…..nope

  • Yes, that’s been my experience too.

    Usually (not always) If a woman is still single at 35+, there is something irredeemably damaged about her.

    Sorry, that’s just the way it is.

    Every once in a while you have some coming off a 15yr marriage or something, but then that begs the question, why did her hubby dump her?

    And in the off chance that 35+ women is cool, more than likely she’s not looking for “casual” – she’s desperately searching for commitment, and more often than not, a surrogate father for her kids from previous assholes.

  • MB30SD

    Hey LCD… Just rolled into downtown and first thing I see is a 70ish year old shriveled Uber tan guy in nothing but a banana hammock g-string.

    Welcome to Palm springs!!

    • I thought dress codes were implemented at golf courses

      • MB30SD

        Golf’s for fags.

        I keed I keeeeed! Had do do it, so ripe for the taking

    • leftcoast dave

      Did he have a mohawk?

      • MB30SD

        Nooot that I remember. The rest of his getup was burning my eyes, so didn’t notice, but don’t think so

        • SC Dave

          Can you still see?

          • MB30SD

            Barely… I was too busy trying to shield and then shuttle my kids away without seeing that abomination.

            Not I don’t want them to get this world is full of all kinds, but dude was a freakshow.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Rams just shitcanned their scouts. Guess they didn’t even want to pay them for additional 3 weeks. Collected all their reports, set the board and kicked them out before draft. That’s cold.

    Neil Stratton‏ @InsideTheLeague 27m27 minutes ago
    ITL has learned that the #Rams have dismissed area scouts Danton Barto, Evan Ardoin & Sean Gustus plus Director of Pro Personnel Ran Carthon

    Neil Stratton‏ @InsideTheLeague 27m27 minutes ago
    The three area scouts (Barto, Ardoin and Gustus) had been with the team a collective 15 years.

    • willbest

      A lot of weird front office moves this off season. Must people something in the water at Davos.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Good film analysis of what Brad Kaaya and Davis Webb do well and where they struggle. Kaaya’s footwork is close to pro level.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmH8xWKlQHY

  • leftcoast dave

    Sergio threw the monkey.

    Good for him.

  • SC Dave

    Speaking of trades, are you FUCKING KIDDING!!!!

    DO IT AGAIN.

    http://m.chicagobears.com/s/31314/383?itemUri=1322446548/151533215141514101310104211384

    Ok… so a ridiculous fantasy.

    Al…. Murph… did you know this? I didnt.

    • SC Dave

      Although to think about it, #3 is crazy too.

      And I thought is was two cheeseburgers and eight beers…

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Thorough Trubisky film analysis. Key quote:
    “Before the Jaguars drafted Bortles, I described him as a half a glass of water. Not half-full. Not half-empty. Just a half a glass.

    Trubisky is at a similar spot with his development as Bortles pre-draft standing. ”


    https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/02/28/rsp-boiler-room-no-85-qb-mitch-trubisky-extended-look/

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