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Finding A Quarterback: Ranking the Veterans

| February 21st, 2017

While some have argued that this is a bad year to need a quarterback, I strongly disagree. Over the last few weeks, I have spent countless hours watching and breaking down all of the popular veteran options the Bears may turn to in hopes of fixing their quarterback position this off-season. Below you will find a ranking of those players, not just in terms of talent but with cost and long-term viability figured in.

9. Mike Glennon

Some are reporting that Glennon is going to get big money to start somewhere. I’m not sure I believe that. He’s not accurate, mobile or particularly smart with the ball. He was Josh McCown’s backup.

8. Matt Barkley

It’s long been forgotten but Barkley did a lot of good things with the Bears last year. He just can’t keep throwing interceptions at the rate that he has throughout his career. I can’t help but wonder what a full off-season with this offense and coaching staff could do for him. He shouldn’t be brought back as a starter, but there are a lot of teams with worse backups.

7. A.J. McCarron

Maybe the biggest problem with McCarron is the cost. The Bears would have to give up a draft pick and then sign him to a new contract. This is fine if he’s a good, starting-caliber quarterback. I just don’t think McCarron is.

6. Colin Kaepernick  

Kaepernick had a better 2016 season than most people realize but he’s still not a particularly gifted passer. Oh, and I really don’t want to have another quarterback who divides the fan base.

5. Brian Hoyer

A team could do a lot worse than Hoyer and the Bears realize that. Forgetting everything else for a second, there just aren’t many quarterbacks who could throw for 300 yards without an interception in four straight weeks. He won’t win games for you, but he won’t lose them.

4. Jay Cutler

There’s no way around it, Cutler had a bad 2016 season. But have we all really forgotten 2015 when Ryan Pace talked about building around Cutler? His age and injuries mean he’s not going to be the long-term option, but I’m convinced he’s going to rebound and have a great 2017 season. I’m also convinced that Pace wants to find his guy.

3. Tony Romo

He’s older than Cutler and has had more significant injuries recently but if Romo can still play — and that is a HUGE IF — he’s still the only player on this list who has been in consideration for an MVP award. The risk for Cutler and Romo is the same. The reward for Romo is an MVP-caliber quarterback.

2. Tyrod Taylor 

Taylor is probably the safest option. We have two years telling us he can make plays while taking care of the ball. He’ll turn 28 before next season starts, but should have plenty of football left in him. The question is if he’s capable of more and we won’t know the answer until he’s asked to do it.

1. Jimmy Garoppolo

Since profiling Garoppolo at the end of January, I’ve watched a lot more of him. College games. Preseason games. You name it and I’ve watched it. And there’s just something about him. Something that I can’t really explain. He just looks the part. He’ll cost probably two draft picks and a good chunk of change, although I think his contract will be cheaper than Taylor’s. But you can never pay too much for a franchise quarterback. He’s a gamble, but out of all the veteran options, I think he has the best chance of becoming a franchise-changing acquisition.

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  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    I think a healthy Cutler in 2017 puts the Bears in the playoffs (assuming average injury luck elsewhere). They’re setting up for massive upgrades on the roster elsewhere.

    I also think Cutler is not a Bear in 2017.

    Oh, and I would love Colin Kaepernick simply for the outrage from grumpy old guys like my dad, who went so far as to boycott the NFL last year for failing to punish Kaepernick.

    • BerwynBomber

      “I think a healthy Cutler in 2017 puts the Bears in the playoffs (assuming average injury luck elsewhere)”

      Heard that for eight or nine years. Eventually, we have to accept that Cutler isn’t a huge difference-maker at QB and his post-season appearance number is what it is.

      Moreover, at this point in his career, there is very little objective evidence that suggests he is much more than Brian Hoyer, even if they are completely different QBs.

      • Malice Halice

        Hoyer is the lesser of the 2. Sooo I rather have him then cutler played out ass. Da bulls got rid off D.Rose Da Bears need to follow suit

        • BerwynBomber

          Cutler is the better QB, but in terms of efficiency and productivity, it is not an enormous difference.

          But obviously one is much cheaper and easier to move on from than the other.

          • Malice Halice

            I meant Hoyer is the lesser of 2 evils.

        • Ed Brown

          Hoyer ain’t much but right now he is better than Cutler because he doesn’t turn the ball over if for no other reason.

          • MB30SD

            Another rabid voter on the ticket!

          • Irish Sweetness

            WOW.

            Can he win a game? Can he throw a fucking ten yard out?

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        A healthy Cutler would have had Bears in playoffs every year from 10-12. When they had a good roster around him.

        I believe they’ll have a good roster around the QB in 2017. I also believe Jay Cutler should not be a Bear in 2017, due to his age and injury history. I’m just saying that they should be good if they can get solid production from their QB.

        • Ed Brown

          could have been in the playoffs Lovie’s last year if he had not handed Minny 14pts. to go with the 7 points their offense actually earned.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, he didn’t play well that year. Don’t know where JWood is getting his revisionist history from.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He played his best ever football the season before last .. and then played injured last season. Why are you guys judging Cutler on his career, rather than who he is now?

        • BerwynBomber

          Well, we did make the playoffs in 2010 (Jay’s only post-season appearance in eleven years as a starter), and in 2012 he played in 15 games and was pretty lousy — 19 TDs/14 INTs/7 Fumbles.

          So basically you’re saying with some coulda, woulda, shoulda he might have missed out in 2011? Who knows? He was playing decently under Martz that year but he wasn’t all that productive.

          My sense is our D and STs would have eventually cracked under the strain.

      • Waffle

        lol, they would have been a playoff team in 2010, 2011, 2012 and even 2013 where it took no one falling on a fumble, and blowing a 4th quarter lead including the Conte debacle to miss the playoffs with 38 seconds left. Even with that SHIT D they would have been in the playoffs.
        People still bring up the playoff appearances, discount it when they actually do go to the playoffs and ignore the reasons why the Bears needed to rebuild in the first place.
        Then we get this list????? Everyone knows Cutler is the best QB on that list. Injury history is another matter. If you want to bring up injuries I’m ok with that but the other arguments are bullshit in my opinion.

        • BerwynBomber

          “Everyone knows Cutler is the best QB on that list. Injury history is another matter.”

          Short of a late run of success in Cutler’s career, he will never be as good as Romo. Not even close.

          • Waffle

            Definitely Romo, I agree, I was blinded by the other muppets on that list. Tyrod had a good year and I’d be ok with him coming in but would take Cutler over everyone else, even Romo at this point.
            Romo, in the cold, getting driven into the mud/rock/painted sand of Soldier Field would be abuse.

          • MB30SD

            elder abuse?

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. Romo would be an HoFer if careers were judged on regular seasons alone. But I wouldn’t want him UNLESS I was totally prepared to make a SB run as HOU or DEN conceivably could.

            And yeah, I worry that Taylor’s numbers are bit miseading. It’s the same concern I have about Cousins and Bradford.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But Romo is out of the question. He’s 37 this season. He’s done.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jay Cutler is still the best QB on that list. Love to see what would have happened to Romo in Cutty’s shoes on Cutty’s teams. I’ll spot you one … Romo dies during the Giants game.

        • Ed Brown

          giving him 4th on that list is very generous

      • Irish Sweetness

        “…at this point in his career, there is very little objective evidence
        that suggests he is much more than Brian Hoyer, even if they are
        completely different QBs.”

        I’m leaving that out there all on its little own-i-oh. Just … wow.

    • MB30SD

      Couldn’t give a smaller fuck about what he did before the game, ALL about what he did DURING games… and for that, I’ll pass.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        For Kaepernick, I agree on that front. He’d be a solid bridge guy if they can’t get Hoyer but isn’t anything special. Not the kind of guy I want to tie my wagon to long-term.

        • MB30SD

          yes, and he’s a run and gun… at least that’s where he’s actually better than normal. Just doesn’t feel like a fit for us.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Oh, and agreed in general about the quality of veteran QBs available this year. Typically a guy like Hoyer would be the best on the market. There are 5 guys (everybody above him + Kap) I think are better than him. Very unusual.

  • Malice Halice

    Sometimes I feel like I get the impression that ppl just want a new face at qb position. Regardless of the intangibles.

    • MB30SD

      totally man. What the fuck about Trajectory!!! awareness?!??!

      smdh.

  • BerwynBomber

    Mostly agree but we simply don’t know what Glennon or McCarron would do in a starting role. Granted, most likely their respective ceilings are Hoyer-level, but again, we don’t know.

    And the reason why they are attractive to some teams — and maybe to the Bears — is they should be relatively inexpensive (salary-wise), hence obvious bridge guys; i.e., you’re not investing your entire signal-caller future with them or crimping your spend budget.

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    McCarron has more upside than – it appears – anybody is going to give him.

    I would be speaking to the Bungles about him and look to roll with him, Hoyer and Barkles.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgotbAzeOMM

    • Sauron’s right eyeball
    • SC Dave

      I’m hardly an expert, but from that first reel, he seems to lock on to his primary in a very Cutler-like manner.

    • MB30SD

      Yeah, don’t know about zip, but he’s a quality guy. I’d def be down for the right price.

      …for stop-gap btw, not the answer. Not ‘the One’.

    • Irish Sweetness

      You know who doesn’t zip the ball …?

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    Aston’s old tech (Vantage, DBS, DB9) – all is old and feels old.

    DB11 is a new platform, way better handling, and is the only Aston to bother owning.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2017-aston-martin-db11-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-feature

    • willbest

      I really liked the Vantage. But I haven’t looked at their line in some time. I know if I win $400 million tomorrow, I am going straight to their dealership.

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        You always struck me as a Rolls Royce kinda guy.

        • willbest

          I mean sure, when I get a chauffeur. But for me to drive?

  • BearDown100393

    Jay is going to the Super Bowl. With or without the Chicago Bears.

    • MB30SD

      Nice! Do NFL players get special prices/seat location tickets, or you think he’ll just pay retail?

  • MB30SD

    HOYER for president 2020!!

    • MB30SD

      do we have your vote HBP?

      We’re running on the 300/2/0 platform.

      See, andrew is already a charter member, “there just aren’t many quarterbacks who could throw for 300 yards without an interception in four straight weeks”

      • MB30SD

        and I just upvoted my own post (bitches)

        (MB sits as quietly as possible around the corner holding the string… waiting)

      • Huge Bears Penis

        136/0/4/2 so anyone but Hoyer. I would take Josh McCown over him.

        https://vimeo.com/19019852

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      But we already have the destroya in the white house……oh wait wasn’t Obama the destroya as well? I’m so confused. : /

      • MB30SD

        don’t be.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Then we have one DB that other teams respect? Just 1?

          • MB30SD

            now I’m confused. : /

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Instead of another destroya for president, can we just get 1 good DB? Pretty please.

            Typo on earlier post.

          • MB30SD

            dooood, you know me… It’s my #1 focus.

            Hooker and/or Adams

  • willbest

    I get Kaep was good under Harbs with a run first paradigm and a monster D, but how in thee fuck is he even listed? He played worse than Barkley this year.

    And how does Jimmy G beat out a guy with 30 games as an NFL starting demonstrating how efficient he can play without the benefit of Coach of the Game Belichick?

    Donde es Cousins?

    • MB30SD

      jes

    • BerwynBomber

      Personally, I don’t know how Barkley beats out Glennon either, but it didn’t seem worth arguing over.

      • willbest

        The order of the list during the off-season is of paramount importance.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        It’s amazing that Andrew has implied Garoppolo or any of these guys for that matter are franchise QB’s. It truly boggles the mind. Romo WAS, now he’s just the walking wounded.

        • Bender McLugh

          Jimmy G still could be tho

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            He’s a backup.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If we’re in a position where those two are it ….

    • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

      Please help me understand how Barkley outplayed Kaep this year:

      kaep (12 games, 11 starts): 59.2% completion / 2,241 yards / 16 TD / 4 INT / 90.7 rating / 468 yards rushing / 2 TD

      barkley (7 games): 59.7% completion / 1,611 yards / 8 TD / 14 INT / 68.3 rating / 2 yards rushing / 0 TD

      • MB30SD

        I think he just spelled Brian Hoyer wrong

      • willbest

        Barkley 1 win, Kaep 1 win
        Barkley 20.3 ppg, Kaep 18 ppg
        Barkley 3% sacked rate, Kaep 10%
        Barkley 7.5 yd per attempt, Kaep 6.8

        • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

          so we’re just ignoring the turnovers and ratings? the things that measure a QB?

          (i believe wins are a team effort, as are PPG. i give barkley the sack rate and ypa – but i don’t think an extra .7 YPA outweighs the 10 more INT in 4 less games)

          • willbest

            You are right to question PPG. But comparing TD’s between QBs can be random as well. How many of those TD’s were 2 yard passes that could be 2 yard runs. And yes in ppg you have to compare TD’s. How much of it was decision making and throw by the QB and how much talented receivers doing YAC?

            The 0.7 YPA seems small but it worked out to Barkley averaging about 40 yards per game more than Kaep. How much of that is play from way behind?

            The game where I saw them both on the field at the same time. Kaep looked like dogshit and got benched for being entirely ineffective against our crappy defense. Its probably unfair to Kaep in that his worst performance of the season gets to stand in contrast to Barkley where I watched both the good in the bad.

            Either way neither is an enticing prospect for next season.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Barkley turns it over too much. Kap shows little field awareness or touch.

            The only plus I see in Kap is that he tears the Puke up on the ground. The Pack D is set up for guys like Cutler, FatLesbo, Bradford – they can’t handle a guy like Kap on the ground.

            But, that being said, then we’d have to entirely change our O.

            Pass on both.

          • BerwynBomber

            Given the Cheese D since Woodson left I don’t even know if they’re equipped to handle Cutty, Stafford and Bradford. (Both Bradford and Stafford played well against the Cheese this year, and hell, even Barkley put up something like 400 yards against them.)

            But point taken about Kap. Still, that gets to main question about Kap. Can he still give you those 100 yard days of rushing? Because if he can’t, he’s rather useless as a starter.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            The read-option QB is an interesting phenom.

            Both Wilson and Kap sorta put the NFL on notice when they first came in.

            Ds were ill prepared.

            Since then, all NFL teams now have a read-option D, so it’s not as effective as when it first exploded (nothing new. WCO. RunAndShoot. Heck, the I-formation!)

            However, it seems like defending the read-option is now division specific.

            Divisions mainly draft to counter each other.

            We needed Floyd’s speed for Vadgers.
            When AP was in his prime, the Puke were beefing up that Dline.
            With Megatron, had to roster at least one big CB

            But no one in the NFCN is drafting to counter the read-option. I think that’s one of the reasons why the Puke got smoked by it the times they did play Kap.

            And, unlike Wilson, Kap doesn’t threaten with the deep ball as much, so Ds can put that 8th guy in the box.

            Kap-Howard combo in the read-option would be fun, but it won’t be a sustainable model for success moving forward.

          • Irish Sweetness

            FFS WIll, you just don’t like to ever seen as being wrong. You’re playing silly-buggers. Kaep has a +12 TD-INT ratio, to Barkley’s -6. There’s no “but”in there.

            Kaep – like him or not – is a professional footballer with decent stats. Barkley is a burger-flipper, or soon will be.

          • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

            On this we can agree.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Wow. Now that’s the very definition of cherry-picking. Failure to perceive.

          You can’t gloss over the TD-INTs …

          16 TD / 4 INT for Kaep vs 8 / 14

          90.7 rating vs 68.3

          468 yards rushing vs 2.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Check out his stats. Not bad. Ditto Cousins.

      • willbest

        Cousins stats are amazing. Kaeps are shit. That doesn’t mean Barkley’s aren’t shit.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    So in other words, according to Andy, we’re facked.

  • Ed Brown

    Cutler is a QB with pretty average stats over his career, the problem with him is for every 4 jaw dropping TD’s he throws he also throws 3 brain numbing INT’s He is not particularly good a reading defenses, he is not particularly good at progressing through his options and choosing the free receiver, He holds the ball too long making things even harder on our weak offensive line, he tends to lock on just one receiver and ignore the rest, then there is his lack of ball security ending in many strip-6’s. He is not a QB you can count on for consistent play. He has had 8 years to prove himself and his fans still have to dream up excuses for him. He is getting old, and injury prone, you might get by with him if you have an outstanding defense that generates a lot of turnovers to make up for all of his 3 and outs, and turn-overs. Time to turn the page get a young QB who might be the guy to get us to the SB along with a bridge QB who keep the offense on the field and the defense off the field.

    • MB30SD

      good summary Ed, where have you been over the last 3 months!?!?

      btw, weak offensive line is unfair. Not great, but not weak either.

      • Waffle

        I could have asked the millennial fashion editor at Esquire to write that.
        “all his 3 and outs” – holy fuck

    • Johnnywad

      I got through the first sentence and part of the second. Then, all the letters turned into “blah blah blah blah blah blah” and I couldn’t read it anymore.

      Outside of that. Welcome aboard Ed.

      I would bet very real money Cutler is already gone. None of this matters.

      He’ll start somewhere else next year and that fan base will be happy to have him. It will mean they just got rid of Fitz or Kap, etc, and now have an actual starting QB, albeit not an “elite franchise” one.

      • MB30SD

        and then 2 or 3 years later…

        • Johnnywad

          what?

          • MB30SD

            dude, it’s cutler

      • BerwynBomber

        So in another words: your opinion is so meaningless, Ed, I can’t even be bothered to read it, but hey, welcome aboard.

        Btw, if Cutty is indeed moving on there is no guarantee he gets a starter’s job much less next year’s Comeback Player of the Year trophy.

        • Johnnywad

          Yes. I can’t stand to read it one more time. Terminal Cutty fatigue. I’m sure Ed is a swell guy beyond telling me the sky is blue again.

          Not sure where the Comeback Player remark comes from. Pretty snarky for you. You’ve said yourself numerous times he’s an average QB. The league is populated with less than average ones. So it’s reasonable to assume he’ll start. If he doesn’t. Ok. I’m wrong.

          • BerwynBomber

            My bad. Snark came from (mis) perceived dismissiveness.

            But I’m still not sure another fan base will embrace him as warmly as you think. Though then again, I suppose if it is a place like CLE, NYJ or SF you could prove right.

            Though remember, Kap did have his glory years with the latter.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And he’s still the best QB anyone has mentioned that we could possibly sign, or draft.

      So who’s your QB roster going into this season?

      Mine would be Cutler/ EJ Manuel / Young dude .. build the Defense.

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    Hey WillyBestamor

    You will like this. I am watching Colbert (cause it’s mandatory for us libtards)

    I am watching him mock the Sweden thing:
    https://youtu.be/QbN4QGhrkxg?t=216

    Never Fjorget. Get it?

    And I say, out loud to the tv since I live alone now (but not yet in my bathrobe), I say “what a fucking idiot”.

    the left is stupid to mock Trump on the attacks and the rising furor in Germany and other countries. The Syrians ARE there, and they are fucking problems. Europe is sitting on a powder keg with these undesirables who proved they cannot manage their own country and now have left to stir up shit in other countries.

    And the FUCKING DAY AFTER Colbert does his stupid, ill-advised skit, this happens:

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/21/riot-breaks-out-in-predominantly-immigrant-suburb-in-sweden

    Fucking The Purge.

    And the MSM here? The NYT? The Post?

    They won’t TOUCH this story.

    • Waffle

      and in other news Trump is boldly trying to bring back the best 90’s lingo ever.

      Later he tweeted, “The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!”

      Yes folks, the president of the USA just sprang a NOT joke on us.

      • MB30SD

        hahahahahahaha… brilliant minds yonny, brilliant minds.

        • Waffle

          NOT!

          • MB30SD

            hahaha… eees gooood.

          • Waffle

            NOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • leftcoastdave

            Really???

          • Waffle

            not?

          • MB30SD

            NOT!

          • leftcoastdave

            (rolls eyes)

          • MB30SD

            NOT!

          • leftcoastdave

            That’s SO lame.

        • Waffle

          I’m waiting for Trump to use, “pffft”

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            Or maybe “As if!”

          • willbest

            I had a Clueless flashback. It was pretty traumatic. I didn’t even get boob action out of that two hours waste of my life. It was then I instituted my never go to a RomCom with a girl you aren’t currently banging rule.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Loved Clueless.

            Stacy Dash @$$%^!%%^%$%$!

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s cray cray . The difference between Sweden and the USA is like “how to do countries” and “how not to…”.

    • MB30SD

      not to bypass anything you said, but holy fuck, this is the POTUS??

      “Later he tweeted, “The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!””

      I mean, not went out in the early 2000s with borat. smh.

      http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/05/05c1840fd01a775598a03ad553fdd18570f7f3cf3ee4a24919c199709417e5d9.jpg

      • willbest

        You only get 140 characters. Sometimes you gotta make due.

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        He’s an assclown for continuing to Tweet at all while holding the bully pulpit.

        He’s a creature of habit. Whatever.

        He set a bear trap for the MSM and the left leaning late night hosts. They willingly jammed their legs into the trap and got them snapped off.

        • willbest

          You honestly think that the people that watch Colbert on the regular are going to know Trump was right about the state of things in Sweden.

          These people are going to be shocked when Marine LePen becomes the next President of France.

          Trump saw national populism brewing among western civilization and road the wave.

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            Yes. I do.

            Liberals care more about objective reality than wingnuts like Dave and you. To them, the term “alternate facts” is repugnant.

            On these secret mailing lists where we liberal elites discuss things, the consensus is that Colbert played himself the fool.

          • willbest

            Colbert isn’t going to tell them. Is Facebook? I don’t go there often, but I have never seen a “holy shit, Trump was right” post on my feed.

            Is CNN and MSNBC going to cover it tonight in whatever hour the old people watch news?

            As I have pointed out, anybody that is informed on Europe knows Trump was right before now.

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            Colbert is a smart guy.

            Yet, at no time did he perform the calculus of “hey if I mock Trump being paranoid about Sweden and then there is an attack there, I look really really stupid.”

            Instead, the agenda to mock Trump at every turn – on every belief – took precedence.

            Colbert is lucky it was just some molotov cocktails and vandalism, and not a full on Paris incident. Because that is coming to Sweden.

            He won’t mea culpa on it. If anybody would, he might – but he would break ranks too hard from the Sam Bees.

          • leftcoastdave

            Within their echo chamber, the left is never wrong.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Yeah, but I mean, SWEDEN!?

            Maybe Trump speaks for the po rust belt terrorist too

            Or, if I put on my Trac tin foil hat, Trump sent CIA spooks with small hands to sweden.

            Anyone check if those molotov were pint size?

          • BerwynBomber

            I sense MSNBC draws a younger audience than CNN, let alone Fox.

          • willbest

            I don’t recall anybody in college watching any news. I guess occasionally I see people my age link to madcow now. For whatever reason, my age group is sharing Dan Rather’s musings quite often lately. Which I find is odd because he is the poster child for fake news. And its not like they had no idea what it what happened. They were 24+ when it happened. Then again I suppose it could have just been another Swiftboat conspiracy.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            Did you get the last newsletter?!

            I used my Trix decoder ring to read it

            (oh, shit, black helicopters!)

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Who “really” displaced these people?

      Not defending the bullshit but a lot of these people’s towns got bombed into oblivion by proxy warlords funded by whom? It certainly wasnt the Russians.

      • willbest

        I am surprised Trac, I thought for sure you would have said these were CIA induced riots and Trump just screwed up the date when he was supposed to talk about them.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          You might say that but eye couldn’t possibly……….

      • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

        They fucking put Bashar Al-Assad in there. Those are Syrian nationals supporting and guarding him. And when the Rebels showed up and tried to depose him, yes – he called the Russians in to use them as Sukhoi practice drills.

        • willbest

          Pretty sure Assad’s father put his son in there. Or do you mean the Ba’athist control of Syria. Admittedly I am not an expert on the region.

          • leftcoastdave

            The rooskies are undoubtedly his number one patron. Barry-O said he must go. Then he drew the line in the sand. I think Clint Jong Hill was also babbling about how he must go. Check the donations to the Clinton Foundation to be sure. But whatever the case, sure are a lot of Muslims on the move and its turning the EU upside down.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ah yes, that evil Clinton Foundation, lurking behind all the world’s ills.

          • willbest

            Not any more. The donations have dried up since her defeat.

          • BerwynBomber

            As has the Benghazi investigation. And the email server “scandal”.

            Amazing how quickly those stories were dropped by the GOP once they no longer were of political value. Would make one think all the outrage was pure political posturing on behalf of the GOP.

          • willbest

            Considering the FBI handed out amnesty deals to everybody, I don’t know who there is left to prosecute.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh, please. As if Congress was ever going to prosecute someone. But hey, Comey did Trump and Priebus a solid.

          • willbest

            Even if I concede all your points, how does that negate the Clinton Agency as an extra-governmental authority tied directly to the political power of its owners?

            How is it even the same thing? On the one hand you have Congress using whatever government rules and regulations to maximize their political power within the framework, and on the other you have somebody running a multibillion dollar pay to play operation.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

            What, Mrs. Clinton ain’t going to jail like Trump’s voters wanted?

            Shocked face.

            I’d actually respect Trump more if he did go after Hillary.

          • willbest

            Me too.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Jess, they’re all wonderful actors aren’t they?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Suckers of Satan’s cock, Trac.

          • BerwynBomber

            It was always much ado … especially when compared to what Patreus did, who received a wrist slap.

            The Clinton imbroglio was a huge waste of tax dollars. As was the Starr investigation. SOP for the GOP. But it worked electorally. Thanks, in large part, to Comey who did a solid for his party.

          • leftcoastdave

            The “ado” was all about keeping the pay to play communications out of the sight of FOIA. That wasn’t “nuttin” or it would not have happened in the first place, and not needed “bleaching” or covering up. Pay to play was the best scam since LBJ routed the interstate after buying up the best cheap farmland through Southland Corporation to own the commercial intersections.

          • BerwynBomber

            Look at you with your cute little Fox talking points and dittohead nicknames.

            But I will say it again: if Benghazi and the email server “scandals” were such unfathomable crimes why have the GOP dropped them completely out of sight since the election?

          • willbest

            Congress only has the power to investigate and impeach. Its the executive that has to bring the criminal charges. The GOP was politically posturing no doubt, but they also hoped to find something to give Obama no choice but to prosecute.

            Sure they could put the fire to Trump and Sessions, but they are raiding the cookie jar right now.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course. I know they can’t prosecute. It was meant rhetorically. But I can’t see how anyone sees either as those “scandals” as anything more than political posturing at the end of the day.
            And btw, I am not one to think the Clintons aren’t total political animals and without political sin. But the reaction was always way over-the-top compared to the alleged crime.

          • willbest

            Jeff Sessions has been on the job what? 5 days? And he has to sort out this travel ban mess. You seem to be demanding results awfully quickly.

          • leftcoastdave

            Sorry, I’m not up to speed on what the talking points should be. Perhaps you can help? As a fact, Hill knowingly lied when she and Barry-O claimed that Benghazi involved the YouTube video, yes or no? As a fact, Ambassador Stevens was all but screaming for more security to the State Department, yes or no? As a fact, they were both hiding under Uma Abadein’s bed when it went down and didn’t come up for air until the next morning, yes or no?

          • willbest

            Um. no it wasn’t much ado about nothing. It was exceptionally serious and at least on par with Patreus. And it is safe to assume that everything went through that server is compromised. Keep in mind the fucking rule doesn’t care if you knew you were doing it or didn’t mean to. Its an “if you did, go to jail” rule. And yes Patreus should be in the cell next door.

          • BerwynBomber

            Paetrus knowingly shared classified information with someone w/out clearance. There is no evidence Clinton ever did that. Heck, there is not even a unanimous opinion that she knew what little was deemed classified wasn’t classified after the fact.
            There is no comparison between what the two did. Paetrus knowingly committed a crime. Clinton used poor judgement.

          • willbest

            I am going to try again. Its like speeding. It doesn’t fucking matter if you know you were speeding or not.

            The law doesn’t care if you did it on purpose or not. The law doesn’t even care if the data was compromised by a 3rd party. You go to jail just for failing to handle it properly. Well little fucking people go to jail. Generals and politicians don’t.

            You are trying to argue degrees. Degrees are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that Hillary used a single shot to the back of the head, and the General grabbed a tire iron and gave a 20 minute beat down before drowning. The law treats them the same.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “There is no evidence Clinton ever did that.”

            Share classified inforamtion?? Dude. Did you watch the FBI guy take her actions apart?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Ber, It’s called the Kansas City Shuffle.

          • leftcoastdave

            Nice deflection. The question was who sent so many refugees scrambling to Europe. Answer, Barry-O and Clint Jong Hill.

          • BerwynBomber

            Right, there would have been no Syrian Civil War and Assad would be as peaceful as Switzerland if it weren’t for Obama and Clinton.

          • leftcoastdave

            They did support “rebel” troops, did they not?

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course they did. So what is your point? There would be no refugees if Obama and Clinton hadn’t said what they said?

          • willbest

            If we let the brutal dictators in Syria and Lybia put down their resistance the way we let the Iranians put down theirs, there wouldn’t have been a 10 million man rush for Europe.

            The middle east is cannot be fixed by us, and its going to have to get a lot worse before it can get better.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You mean the Joint-Chiefs said he must go …

            McNamara et al thought that the NVA needed to be beaten back, or the Chinese would move in. Wrong. Was never going to happen – the Viets fucking hate China, been fighting them back for a thousand years …. and a lot of people died because of America being wrong about something. It happens a lot.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          One never knows. There was reporting quite a while back that almost all Syrians agreed to a person that while they might not be in favor or the Assad govt., almost to a person, they all agreed that any rebel action was not the way to go so it’s a not apparent the rebels ever had or have the backing of the Syrian people.

    • willbest

      Its pretty much known to everybody that pays attention to these things that Sweden is having serious problems with their refugees. The riots occur regularly, rapes and violent crime are up over 50% in the last 5 years, their prison population is swelling with immigrants and there are no go zones like there are in France, Belgium, Germany,etc.

      What I found was funny is Sweden is now investigating a police officer for a hate crime because he backed Trump’s claim up .

      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/08/police-migrant-crime-investigated-hate/

      And the Swedes are nothing if not accommodating. Here they are allowing incestuous child marriages.

      http://www.independentsentinel.com/judge-approves-marriage-child-bride-appears-mature/

      The Sweden Democrats (a “right wing” nationalist party) spent toiling away in obscurity for the better part of 20’s broke into their version of Parliment in 2010 and in 2014 became the 3rd largest party in their governing body. They will almost certainly gain ground in 2018 (it is currently polling around 18% up from the 13% it won in 2014).

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      “Preliminary statistics do not show a major increase in crime from 2015, when the country processed a record 163,000 asylum applications, to 2016”

      And in the very same breath

      “Right-wing news outlets in the United States and elsewhere have insisted that Sweden is covering up evidence of migrant-related crime — a claim officials in this prosperous Scandinavian nation, which has a long humanitarian tradition, have rejected.”

      And that right there is the problem. Americans can’t even agree upon facts anymore, even mathematical ones.

      We as Americans gotta decide if we’re willing to take on the risk of refugees, or if we’re just gonna bunker up and let them rot in leper colonies.

      I can see the argument for both sides – perceived increased safety (I use “perceived” cuz https://daily.jstor.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MassMurders_1050x700.jpg)

      vs our Judeo-Christian foundation of charity, right?

      Gotta remember too that historically, there really is no reason to take in any refugee.

      There were lots of “americans” that didn’t want the Irish (See “gangs of new york”) didn’t want the Italians (see “GodFather”) didn’t want the jews (see every history book), don’t want mexicans, and now, refugee from any muslim country.

      I get that there’s an increased risk if we do take in refugees from muslim nations.

      But we’re in an ideological war vs radical islam much like we were vs the U.S.S.R.

      In the end, it’s CULTURE which always wins out.

      Alexander got that correct right away. Can’t just conquer ppl, gotta “convert” them to your way of life.
      “Authority makes ppl do things they don’t want at gunpoint. Power makes them do the same things voluntarily”

      The “American Dream” is what must eventually win out here, and that might mean taking on a certain amount of risk so that in the LONG run the idea, and not guns, destroys radicalism.

      What I mean by that is if in 20yrs those refugees, eternally grateful to the U.S. for saving them from their shit country, might become very important assets in the war on Terrorism.

      If we get agents who can go native and know the culture, we can infiltrate much easier.

      Also, aside from the intelligence aspect, if those same refugees go back home to visit family or whatver, and their relatives see their cousins with laptops and portable p24s, while they’re playing with rocks, they might just think, “fuck. Maybe America isn’t so fucking bad”

      If one of those refugees becomes some Syrian action star, suddenly, they have an icon over there.

      Who wants to blow up a Syrian Tom Cruise?

      And naturally, there’s the “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…” argument

      I think we have to think long term here.

      That being said, we MUST make certain we vet the FUCK out them, AND have a limit (in order to properly vet).

      Rome didn’t crumble because it got ransacked by the Barbarians.

      It crumbled because their citizens all became skeptical opportunists who no longer believed in the Roman idea.

      Something to ponder.

      Rant over.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        So are you saying that the barbarians only showed up after Rome crumbled?

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          Rome rusted from within from centuries of corruption.
          The Barbarians simply gave them the finishing blow.

          In fact, many Romans wanted Rome to fall (of course not the rich ones who benefited from said corruption).

          • Irish Sweetness

            I sat beside a guy on a bus going to Cambodia doing a visa run. He did his PhD on the Roman Empire.

            Standing armies.

            This – combined with the money-as-debt problem – is what is killing the American Empire. Installations in 135+ countries? Providing Japanese national security … amongst others … totally free.

      • willbest

        Sweden is largely claiming that the reason there has been an explosion in rapes is because women are more willing to come forward, expanded definitions, and different counting methods. Of course, I believe the last time they formally looked at the issue of immigrant rape was over a decade ago. I don’t think it is them, but I know one of the Scandinavian countries outlaws data collection of race.

        But it would seem odd that the party dedicated to removing the brown people from Sweden went from some fringe 1% party in the early 2000’s to over 13% today if people weren’t taking issue with the brown people. And Sweden has been accepting Muslim refugees since the 1970’s so its not a new development that racist Swedes are latching on to. Although it probably has achieved a critical mass. Which bridges to my next point.

        The only way to assimilate without blatant discrimination is to distribute the immigrants so that they cannot be with their own kind. That is to say to prevent them from forming little Somali in the tundra like they have in Minnesota,one of the friendliest states in the Union. Because once they form their own community there is no longer any pressure on them to assimilate, and what you have Somalians in the US not Americans of Somalian decent. Complete with men leaving to join ISIS.

        I know quite a few immigrants from Japan, Korea, and China. And a good few of them try to become American. But there are quite a number of them that have no interest in being American. They want to be Korean in America. That is less of a problem because the US basically colonized Korea, but it can still create some friction. You get Islam which is a political doctrine inconsistent with the US Constitution in addition to being a religious doctrine, and you are going to have even more problems.

        As for helping the refugees. We could help so many more of them if we just sectioned of chunks of Syria to do it (and Trump has proposed that).

  • leftcoastdave

    Keep what we’ve got, let Hoyer move on and draft another on Saturday after finding quality building blocks. DO NOT waste that #3 pick on a QB when you can sell it off for picks.

    • Governerd

      Who exactly is buying? What guy is so special at #3 that somebody is willing to trade multiple picks for him? I wish your scenario would happen, but I just don’t see it.

      • willbest

        The only purchasers I can think of is IF no QB’s have been drafted in #1 or #2. Then the Jets might want to trade up (from 6 to 3) to grab one. There are probably others, but that seems like the most likely.

        • leftcoastdave

          I’ve got to believe that there will be competition either for a QB, Edge or running back, possibly a WR. It’s a matter of seeing whose stock is rising and which team(s) fall in love. With the injury curse I hope they make that pick available early and often. Cleveland and SF are both loaded with picks and might want it, not to mention the playoff teams who fall in love with a top ten prospect.

          • BerwynBomber

            What non-QBs have been moved up for in the top five in recent years? Only one I can think of is Watkins. Was Clowney?

            Plus, JAX is sitting right behind us. Chances are they’re not after a QB until next year. Hence, that could also hurt any trade down scenarios.

          • willbest

            A month ago I listed them out under the new CBA and rookie wage scale. I believe there were 10-11, 3 of which were for WRs. Atlanta gave up a lot for Julio.

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s right. Forgot about Julio.

            P.S. Surprised there were that many.

          • Governerd

            I don’t see anybody trading up for a running back, Edge is supposedly deep in this draft class, so unless Garrett falls, I don’t see anybody trading up for that position. Maybe WR, if Mike Williams or somebody puts on a show at the combine and their pro day, I could maybe see that. There’s a lot of time between now and the draft, team needs across the NFL are going to be different by then, so who knows.

      • Irish Sweetness

        A #3 pick is special to someone, especially those looking for a QB.

        • Governerd

          But we’re looking for a QB, so why would we trade out? A lot of things will shake out post-combine and maybe somebody wows somebody with their measurables and demeanor but right now, I just don’t see a team willing to part with multiple picks trading into #3. I would love it if it happens, especially if we can recoup a top 10 pick in return, but the magic 8-ball is responding “outlook not so good” at the moment.

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      #MandatoryTradeDownPost

  • Johnnywad

    If it’s Tyrod Taylor, I’ll be optimistic. If it’s Jimmy G, I’ll be curious. If it’s Matt Barkley, my fall will be wide open.

    • MB30SD

      and what about my candidate for the 2020 election?

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        Hoyer?

        • MB30SD

          YES!

          • willbest

            You aren’t on the Zuckerberg train? Him and his wife are visiting all 50 states to get a sense of them and what life is like in them. Apparently there are some things even the world largest data collection agency can’t figure out by sifting through petabytes of personal data.

          • MB30SD

            nah, fucking booj. I’d do glorious shit like that if I was a billionaire too.

            I mean, after this for about 10 years: https://www.instagram.com/p/BO2CFb_D4hV/?taken-by=danbilzerian&hl=en

      • Johnnywad

        I hate it when my quarterbacks are pussies. I’d rather roll the dice with one of the top three rooks than roll with Limp Dick again. He’s Kyle Orton without balls and the kick ass neck beard. And bourbon problem.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I’ll be happy with a bridge guy that won’t cost the Bears games or the #3 pick.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

    If Cargo is so good, then SURELY a team will throw us a draft pick for him, right?

    (insert Airplane joke)

    • BerwynBomber

      And pay him $22M a year.
      We’ll see on both counts.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        According to his defenders, it’s a cheap starting QB contract.

        a 5th rounder and $15M/yr for a “stud” QB is a deal in any book.

      • willbest

        A said 22 guaranteed. Not 22 annual. Basically 1.5 years of guarantee so a team has to pay a penalty on a 1 year rental.

        Cutler should be movable for a 4th without much trouble

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    “I don’t do big girls. Don’t have to … not with this dick.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/21/cop-caught-on-tape-sexually-harassing-store-clerk.html

    That should be Butch’s motto.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      Officer Geisenhoffer

      Can’t make this shit up.

      I imagine he looks like this

      https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/toughshit.jpg?w=300&quality=80

    • willbest

      I am having trouble understanding his logic even as I understand his meaning

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

        I would’ve gone with

        “With a dick this big, EVERY girl is small”

        #FattyLove

        • MB30SD

          I bet you do (without the big dick)

    • BerwynBomber

      The old two weeks w/out pay and year probation. Such stern discipline.

      They love to protect their own.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Butch, you’re gonna have a lotta splainin to do when you stand before the borg collective one day. It’s not too late to follow Tebow all over the world doing good works. Hee hee.

  • MB30SD
  • BerwynBomber

    Interesting story about an otherwise uninteresting league (to put it mildly) …

    http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/18736405/candice-wiggins-calls-wnba-culture-harmful-says-was-bullied

  • BerwynBomber
    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

      Who’s going to want him though?

      He’s a “bridge” at best, unless another team is duped into thinking they can reform him.

      Browns have a bunch of draft picks. If they pick up a “developmental” QB like Mahomes at #12, I could see them maybe throwing a 5th for Cutler to bridge for a season or two.

      I could maybe see the same thing with the Jets.

      Jags already have a younger healthier Cargo.

      Letting Tyrod walk for Cargo would be a PR disaster. It would be easier to sell the fanbase on ‘rebuild’.

      Texans and Donkeys are in win-now mode, so no Cargo for them.

      The dark horses would be Cards and Fins.

      Cards cuz Arians is aggressive and supposedly liked Cutler when interviewing (though, who knows?) while Palmer looked like dogshit down the stretch.

      Fins, well, real longshot if Gase thinks he can recreate Alex Smith 2.0 in MIA.

      Though neither would give anything more than a 4rth IMO (and since they’re both expected to win, it’d be a low 4rth at that).

      The market will speak, though I think some are going to be shocked what it says.

      • willbest

        The Cardinals gave Palmer the vote of confidence a week ago didn’t they? That might be a kiss of death. Tannehill is a younger better Cutler.

        San Fran might want a bridge QB, and his Mrs. would love to be in California.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          I could possibly see SF too. Forgot about them
          Their execs are pretty awful, so not out of the realm of possibility.

          I’m just curious though if anyone even thinks Cutler is worth a draft pick, ANY draft pick.

          The Bears would rather get ANYTHING for him than nothing.

          Sure, teams can swoop him off the market for free, but then they’d have to compete for his services theoretically.

          Seems like if you believe Cutler is viable going forward, a 4rth and his “modest” contract are no-brainers.

          If no one trades for Cutler, that means.

          1. The NFL has deemed him a “bridge” or backup and not a “franchise” QB. Fitz w/out the beard
          2. The NFL thinks they can sign him for cheaper than $15M/yr (cuz bridges and backups cost less).

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Shanny’s gonna swing a deal for Cutty because he’ll know how to use him. If I were Yonny, I’d bet my bippie on it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll tell you what he’s worth. In week 2 when Drew Brees breaks his leg, Cutty is worth a first round pick.

      • BerwynBomber

        Actually, Palmer played pretty well down the stretch. It was last post-season and first half or two-thirds of this year that he looked like dog crap. Plus, he is already said he is returning (and Arians wants him back) so it would be surprising if they would be interested in Cutty unless he wants to back-up for a song.

        Cutty’s best bets seem HOU (if they don’t get Romo), SF, NYJ or CLE.

        Can’t see Elway wanting him if we are to believe the pre-CHI stories about Cutty.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Forget-me-Naught!(Butch)

          Palmer hasn’t looked the same since that hand inj.
          Doesn’t seem like he can still throw deep accurately which is what Arians want.

          I wouldn’t doubt they give it another go with Palmer, but Arians doesn’t strike me as the sentimental type.

          If he sees a younger guy who can chuck it, that might be enough for him.

          • BerwynBomber

            Could be, but at least for another year, there would still be a money issue. I believe they pay Palmer ~20M. So would they be willing to throw another 16M at Cutty?

            I suppose it could happen but dumping such money into the QB position for one year would be unheard of.

          • willbest

            Is Fitz coming back? I would kick the tires on Cutler if they bring back Fitz. That guy can catch anything.

      • BerwynBomber

        Who knows? You might soon be setting the condor free.

    • willbest

      I hope this doesn’t mean we are using #3 to draft a QB or trade for one.

      • BerwynBomber

        My two-week old theory is that keeping Cutler would increase the odds of us drafting someone this year as I have to believe Pace needs to show some movement on the QB front.
        Trading and/or releasing Cutler is more open-ended in they could trade, sign an FA, draft or do a combination of those moves.

    • BearDown100393

      Fake news!

      • willbest

        I would be disappointed if it were. Cutler clearly isn’t part of the franchises long term plans. It would be silly to not figure out what your options were.

        • Johnnywad

          Maybe it’s part of figuring the options out. Being on the trade block is part of that. Gotta find out what he’s worth.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Really? Well eye never…

  • Huge Bears Penis

    new thread

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’d have Jay over Tyrod. Hoyer is not a professional footballing QB. He is a snap-taker that can hand off, or hit the back in the flats. Glennon … meh. Barkley ditto. Won’t Romo be 37 by the season start?

    Looks like Jimmy G, but no more giving up the farm, please.

    Losing Cutler is insane no matter what way you put lipstick on the pig.

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