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Finding a Quarterback: Colin Kaepernick and the cost of a social pariah

| February 8th, 2017

The best value in the quarterback market this offseason will be a guy who has been productive, led his team to a Super Bowl and possesses crazy physical skills. He will also likely have a difficult time finding a job.

Colin Kaepernick went against the grain and took a stand, or, rather, a knee and NFL teams don’t like guys who are different. In their mind, different is difficult and unless it’s a superstar it isn’t worth the trouble. NFL coaches and owners don’t want to admit this, but it has proven to be true time after time.

Kaeperick transcended football in the amount of much attention he received for what he did on the sidelines. But when he was on the field, he was actually pretty good. Why would any team serious about upgrading their quarterback position not kick the tires on the guy?

Kaepernick’s numbers are unquestionably superior to another possible free agent quarterback many want the Bears to sign.

You can probably guess that, in the above poll, the first quarterback, who received 91 percent of the votes was Kaepernick. The second quarterback was Tyrod Taylor. That doesn’t include the rushing statistics of each, but those such numbers don’t change much. This isn’t to argue Kaepernick is better than Taylor, but Kaepernick is probably going to cost around $10 million less per season. At the very least, Kaepernick is an interesting backup option for a team that wants Taylor.

The number of starts is even a bit misleading for Kaepernick. We all remember the blizzard game in which Chip Kelly mysteriously decided to pull Kaepernick (had to have been tanking for draft position, right?) for Blaine Gabbert. Kaepernick had just five passes that game. If you were to take the averages from Kaepernick’s other 10 starts and add them up over 16 games, here’s what you’d get: 3,580 yards, 26 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 717 rushing yards, 4 touchdowns.

Projections are difficult and things rarely work out the way the averages suggest. We also can’t discount the fact that he was in a super quarterback-friendly system (see Nick Foles). But over 4,000 total yards and 30 touchdowns is, at the very least, interesting. 80% percent of that production would be interesting.

I went through and tracked four of Kaepernick’s games the same way I did for the 47 quarterbacks who took snaps for the Bears this year. His inaccuracy rate of 24.2 would’ve been second best on the Bears, behind only Matt Barkley. Kaepernick was 8-for-20 on passes greater than 20 yards with two touchdowns and an interception.

The 49ers have been terrible, but we know Kapernick can get the job done. We have seen him look Aaron Rodgers in the face and beat him, in the playoffs, twice. He was less than 10 yards away from winning a Super Bowl ring. And if last year is any indication, Kaepernick is still the same player. The 49ers have just made it impossible for him to succeed.

We’re not talking about a franchise quarterback here. We’re talking about someone who can get the job done and I’m not sure if any of the other free agent options can say the same. But do you see the McCaskey family signing off on adding such a controversial player? I sure don’t. And there are going to be a lot of NFL teams that make the same decision.

Kaepernick will find a home. It will be a team with a strong, established head coach who is hoping they can bring the former 49er in to challenge their starter. I can’t see that being Chicago.

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  • MB30SD

    mmmmmkonichiwabitches, and no thanks.

    Pass on a QB this year. Fix errathing else, go big next year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What say ye, MB? Pass on drafting one this year + trade Cutty … or pass on drafting one this year, and keep Cutty?

      • MB30SD

        You knowz mez my maingz.

        1. Trade Cutty and get errathing you can… even if it’s just a coke and a smile. Just get him gone, it’s time.

        2. Pass on Anything QB this year, unless it’s a smashing deal, which if you’re dealing with bellicheat, it won’t be. It’s a desperation move if you overpay, and as someone else pointed out last thread… there’s zero need for Pace to be actin’ desperate like and shit. Dude’s got at very least one more year no matter what.

        3. Go big in FA… for a FS (or two… berry and hill please), a pass rusher, maybe TE if there is one and any OL you think are good. Just add tons of value to our weak spots with our huge cap. Go beeeg or go home… homie.

        4. Draft Hooker/Adams/Thomas @ 3… unless you get a tasty trade back 5-6 spots… then take that shit and run… and still get one of those 3 guys I just listed.

        5. Sell the farm to get your QB of the future next year. Even if you have to pull a Tennessee… of course he REALLY has to be your guy with almost no question marks. My guess is that won’t be an SC qb… danger will robinson!!!! But there will be pleeenty of available options. Maybe we even pick up two… like a rosen the chosen in 2 or 3 if he slips.

        6. Roll with the winner of the craptaculous backup sweepstakes… HOYER!!!!, barkley, and shaw. Of course I think Hoyer wins out by a country mile, but that’s just…. 300/2/0… me. Ooh! did I type that aloud. (sheepish face)

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Fuck Hoyer! 136/0/4/2

          • MB30SD

            ok, you’re allowed your piece as well. I didn’t say start hoyer though did I… I said, let em have a shootout and let the best maings win.

            I just think the one is a cutty jr and is half a fucktard, the other one’s played in 2 preseason games. Know what I’m sayin’

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Fuck Barkley and Fuck Shaw too then. They all suck. No way to get even the least bit excited about any of them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We have very little tape on Shaw .. but he made a few of us perk up before he got injured. I think we’ve seen enough of Barkley.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Shaw is perpetually injured going all the way back to his college days.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Right, sorry, I heard that – not saying keep him, just that he’s under contract.
            I like the idea of two vet QBs on the roster, be done with this develop-and-hope attitude. If you only carry two, the #2 better be able to roll.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Shaw is not under contract.

          • Irish Sweetness

            According to the internet generally, he is.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            link?

          • Irish Sweetness

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connor_Shaw

            … but Spotrac have him as a RFA.

            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/connor-shaw-14699/

            Either way, no he’s not going to be on the roster.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            spotrac does not list him on our 2017 roster but they have him listed as an RFA if you look him up. I am pretty sure that is a mistake. If i am correct he is considered a Exclusive Rights Free Agent(ERFA). Meaning he can’t negotiate with another team and the Bears can offer him a contract and if he does not sign it he sits out for the year.

        • Hating on SC and wanting a teddy bear, surprise surprise!

          I heard from a good source that Rosen loves Seinfeld, so take that!

          • MB30SD

            He was just an example. He’s one of the only names I know at this point.

            Him, the kid from u dub, and your guy. Bottom line, I would be OK taking 2 QBs next year if we do what’s right and focus on D and other gaps this year

    • Artoo

      Exactly. Nothing looks that good and even though those numbers look enticing, I just don’t know if I can handle the media that comes with him.

  • Captain Obvious

    I don’t give a crap about Kap’s protest, activism, or social justice agenda.

    I think he was a promising talent that was a good fit with Harbs. Since then, his play has been spotty at best, and craptacular at worst.

    That alone makes me say “He’s not the guy to turn around the Bears.”

    I’d say his best bet currently might be with Gase in Miami. But I don’t think Miami needs/wants him at this point.

    So he’ll end up a backup in Cleveland.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I just checked out his stats, they actually don’t suck.

      • Captain Obvious

        I don’t disagree. But stats don’t tell the whole story.

        He’s not the same QB he was 3 years ago. And that’s not just because the offense changed from being so heavy on the read-option.

        His stats might not suck, but his play is uninspired. Kap has the physical tools to be a top-tier QB. He’s dangerously close to being a head case due to bad front office and coaching.

        It pisses me off, really. Think of all the guys who have come into the league who could’ve been really good QBs, had they had the right coaching (Grossman is another who comes to mind). But, especially at QB, if you spend a couple seasons treading water (or worse), you sink into a hole you can never climb out of.

    • Waffle

      Kap was a promising talent when he had 3 pro bowl offensive linemen, a pro bowl running back and a defense stocked with so many assassins that it made OC’s urinate in their trousers.

  • Irish Sweetness

    So I just finished reading the last thread, busy with work and kids these days.

    It appears that the whole world – this blog at least – sees Cutty being gone shortly fromchicago as a done deal. I really didn’t think it was that certain. He’s already under contract, and his presence doesn’t preclude us from drafting a QB ….

    …. but if he IS gone, then that changes things considerably. I’ll wish him all the best.

    It would mean an extra pick though .. .tasty. Kirk Cousins though? Surely Cutty is better than Kirk. Now we’re down to Cutty’s value. To get the first you’d need to ride him into next season and wait for the season-ending injury elsewhere that will herald a desperate team clutching the 2018 first-rounder. If Pace is cutting bait, then he’ll trade him much earlier for a lot less. I’m thinking a second rounder, or we get screwed royally for a third.

    But what then? We have no Cutty. We have Shaw and his broken leg. Falesy on the PS. Even if Pace signs a vet, he almost certainly has to draft a QB at that point, right? At 6’2, and skill-set/nose for the ball, Hooker is almost too good to pass on for a team that has had a hole in the middle of the field since Mike Brown. But with no Cutty, they almost HAVE to pass on Hooker, unless they think they can get their QB in the 2nd (and still have another pick in the 2nd).

    With two second rounders we’re in a very sweet spot to trade down, there’s no way the first three picks are QBs. Somebody will be a few spots below that wants Trubs, Watson … or whoever.

    Stock the team up outside of QB in the draft in such a scenario, and then we have two first rounders next season for the QB derby. We might have a decent position to make a move.

    Walter football say this about the draft in 2018 for Chicago (picking 6th!!) ;

    Chicago Bears: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming

    2017 NFL Mock Draft Pick (as of 1/26): Jonathan Allen, DE/DT

    The Bears are bringing back their coaching staff and front office, so I
    don’t think it’s likely that they’ll spend their first-round pick on a
    quarterback. Things could be different following the 2017 campaign,
    however. Josh Allen projects as a potential first-round signal-caller. He has a
    big arm and can scramble pretty well, but he needs to work on his
    accuracy next year.

    But if we don’t have the top pick in 2018, you don’t get Darnold. It’s a tough one. Trubiskey, Kizer, Allen or Hooker. What to do?

    • MB30SD

      he’s not at all better than kirk, or any other 1st tier QB. He’s proven that strip sack and/or INT after stripsack/int

      • Irish Sweetness

        Kirk Cousins is a first tier QB?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Damn, I’m in reverse gear today. With his rating and comp% the last two years, he’s up there. But is that from being captain checkdown? Do you pay Captain Checkdown top dollar?

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            He throws deep more than anyone

        • MB30SD

          naaaahhhh, I mean starter-caliber , not star. come on now.

    • They’ll draft a QB in the first 2 rounds or trade for Jimmy G.

      That guy will compete with a journeyman veteran-likely Hoyer-for the starting spot.

      • MB30SD

        if they take QB @ #3 I’m fucking done with this dogshit org. They’re half fucking braindead and I’m over it. I loves you guys and all, but I ain’t a masochist.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          says the guy who wants to roll with Hoyer/Barkley/Shaw. SMFH!

          • MB30SD

            yes.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            That is as bad or worst than irish and his PSH!

          • MB30SD

            no it’s not. We have a QB from all accounts none of this year’s QBs are going to come in and be your guy for 10 years. Suuuuure, you could hit a fucking grand slam and pick a surprise dak or wilson, but why risk that?!?

            Why not fix the rest of the roster, roll with a guy (3 actually) you already gots and can keep for cheap and then try to hit the home run in an already acknowledged super strong QB class next year?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            basically you are asking us to repeat the Hutchinson/Krenzel/Quinn year. NO THANKS!!!!

          • Bender McLugh

            not wasting a #3 on those guys though HBP

          • Huge Bears Penis

            don’t need to use #3 on a QB. grab one in the 2nd.

          • Bender McLugh

            fair enough, I’m game for that as long as it’s not at the detriment of passing up another BPA at a position of need like TE or even WR. The QBs coming out don’t light up anyone’s board

        • Irish Sweetness

          I could live with seeing how Kizer or Trubiskey develop – they have their moments (I’d lean towards Trubiskey) … but If they go with Hoyer on the roster, even as a backup …. no, I just can’t see Pace being that blind. He’s not a professional quarterback.

          • MB30SD

            you want to spend your #3 on guys that every expert says this draft is weak and these guys are B QBs… there is no money guy.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cousins is trending toward a better career than Cutler and is arguably better than him already. Not only are his individual #s as a starter higher but he has been to a post-season in his first two years as a starter.

      The Bears could bring Cutty back for ’17, but if we are to believe Biggsy, neither of Pox have ever been fans (nor necessarily was Gase). Of course Gase did squeeze that Alex Smith-like campaign out of him in ’15 but who knows how sustainable that would have been given Jay’s career-long inconsistency. To a degree his job security was based on the guaranteed money he was owed the first three years of his contact. But now that money has been paid.

      Plus, there is the labrum surgery to consider, though the one detailed report I heard suggested it was more a scope-like clean-up than a major repair.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Wow, I just saw that the last 2 seasons where he started 16 games, he has an AVG rating of 99. Not bad. Also a comp% avg of 68% … okay .. take that back … that’s pretty outstanding.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Cousins is 2.5 times better than Cuntler

    • CanadaBear

      Get a first for Cutler? You’re really blind about this. His body is breaking down, nobody has any idea how the labrum surgery on his throwing shoulder is going to affect him. Has a chronic thumb injury on his throwing hand. Has the rep around the league as a coach killer. Is just as likely to lose to a shitty team as beat a good one. Fumbles the ball likes it’s on fire. Makes terrible decisions at the worst possible time. Has never been good enough to raise the play of others around him. Hangs onto the ball too long and keeps it around his waist to make strip sacks easier. His throwing mechanics come and go like a wayward summer breeze. Yeah, they will be lining up around the corner to offer first rounders for Jay.

      • But other than that..

        You and your revisionist facts, Canada!

        • CanadaBear

          I really don’t dislike the guy I’m just done. I was on the other side of the argument for a long time so I get it but thinking Cutler might get a 1st? Jesus, Mary and Joseph what are you thinking?

          • Yeah, pipe dream.
            I’m right with you. I believed, became ambivalent, then skeptical, then when Gase came, returned to “agnostic.”
            Now, full skeptic again.
            When ever his name comes up, my step-dad (donkey fan) just gets this shit-eating grin like “I told you so” cuz he hated him over there and was thrilled when he got run out of town.

            Wish Cargo well, just on another team, preferably in the NFCN.

          • CanadaBear

            Don’t ya hate it when their right!!?!! I’m with ya all the way except I can’t see any scenario where he would end up in the NFCN. The first game of 2014 was when I finally gave up. It’s like people with addiction issues and they finally stop for good. That 1 throw to the fat guy was the epiphany for me.

          • Haha, the shit-eating grin is the worst cuz they don’t even have to say it!

            Nah, agree. no way he ends up in the NFCN, though that would REALLY spice up the division, and it has a history of being VERY incestuous.

            Most likely bets, Jets, Browns, maybe 9ers.

  • I’d be fine with Kaepernick competing with a young guy. Would much prefer that to Hoyer, actually.

    Kaepernick has gotten blasted the last 2 years for QBing a shitty team. It’s not his fault that the rest of the roster sucks. Seriously, look at the guys he was playing with.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      If it is between Kaep and Hoyer, I definitely go Kaep.

    • BerwynBomber

      True, but he was also gifted MAJOR surrounding talent when he played under Harbs. Not just on the O side, but that D was badass.

      My fear is he is no more than a running QB with a big arm — limited accuracy, limited football IQ, limited progression speed.

      All that said, I’d be intrigued if we gave him a shot. He’s not without upside.

      • The thing with Kap is we’d have to radically change the playbook for him.

        I barely trust Birdcage with the system he’s familiar with, expecting him to suddenly master and run an alien o-scheme is lunacy in my book.

        Only like 2 OCs are capable of radically altering gameplans like that, and those two might have been in the SB.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Over Cousins? I’ve just been dazzled by looking up his stats.

      • BerwynBomber

        But Cousins will cost the farm. Kap will be relatively cheap.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Roll with Kap / EJ Manuel … draft one next season?

          All I see is Trubiskey being league average someday, Kizer maybe having more upside … but to pass up on Hooker etc.

          Nah, fuck it, I’m not jumping on the bandwagon.

          1. Draft Hooker, or whoever the Pacebot thinks is BPA.
          2. Roll with Cutty. Sign EJ Manuel or Fitzy to back up.

          • BerwynBomber

            I think if they bring back Cutty, then they will definitely draft a kid this year. The Bears, like a number of sport franchises, are not without their public perception concerns.

            Bringing back Cutty with no young QB hope on the roster will result in a collective groan.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cutty and Kizer … Cutty and Trubiskey … both sound like NFL rosters to me. Shame to pass up Hooker, but we can’t have it all. Kizer could get busted up being run-happy in the face of pressure. Trubs looks more like a passer. What say ye boys?

            Can we buy the safety? We can’t buy the QB, so let’s buy the safety.

          • Bender McLugh

            nope! get Hooker or another non-QB with the #3 & go with Kaep/Hoyer or someone-else/Hoyer. I can’t see Hoyer not at least being the backup.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He can’t make professional throws more than ten yards on outs and can’t hit anything downfield from what I saw. He can’t win you games. Your backup MUST provide you with a chance of winning.

          • Bender McLugh

            meh…..backup that knows the system tho.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That would be Falesy …

            (ducks)

          • Bender McLugh

            hahah

          • need you see more, bender?
            He also wants EJ Maunel.

            EJ FUCKING Manuel! smh

          • SC Dave

            No and no…. no and no.

          • Captain Obvious

            Remember that guy who came out of… was it Cal? the same year Grossman came out? The guy with the huge arm… he knelt on the 50 and threw the ball into the end zone. Crap. I think Jax ended up with him. What the fuck was his name?

            Wait, no. Baltimore. Boller.

            I think Trubisky might be Boller 2.0

      • Cousins isn’t a realistic option. And if you get Cousins, then why draft a young guy highly? If you get Cousins, he’s getting paid to be your guy.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I wouldn’t. If I signed Cousins, the guy behind him would be one of the Bills’ QBs or Fitzy. No young guys. Two-QB rosters can’t survive a young guy. Two-QB rosters don’t protect your franchise. To say there is not an extra place on the squad for the most important position on the roster .. when you can carry one less lineman or DB … it’s just silly.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            you are not going to be able to stash any QB that is worth anything on the Practice squad. Any team is allowed to sign them from your practice squad.

          • More about wisely investing resources. If you get Cousins (which is a pipe dream because he is very unlikely to hit FA), you’ll be paying a 28 years old more than $20M a year to be your QB, with guarantees making it such that he’s your guy for at least the next 4 years, maybe more depending on contract structure.

            With that in mind, you’re not investing big money or a high draft pick in a backup. Cousins is your guy.

    • willbest

      Of course he was 1 and 12 in cold weather in Chicago last year. So basically we can’t use him after the first week in November. And his accuracy is now crap. Being a Vegan didn’t help him.

      • leftcoastdave

        . . . but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

    • Have you WATCHED some of Kaps games this season though?
      There were long stretches were he looked like Tebus.

      And a lot of other times when the other team was so ahead, they played a lot of soft D.

      It was obvious to everyone that Kap was better than Gabbert, I’ll give him that, but I just don’t see him beating anyone out in a real QB competition (in fact, he couldn’t even beat Gabbert out to start the season).

      I would be kinda ok with him as a backup, but even then, we don’t run a chip-kelly zone read O, so he’d be a bad fit from that perspective.

      I don’t care about Kaps kneeling or whatever, but just football wise, don’t think he makes sense

      • He’s definitely an unorthodox QB. I don’t know if the current coaching staff would be willing to tailor their offense to him, which is a good argument against.

  • antityco

    Nice sober look at it, but I say no. I know that the meatballs will condemn him for it, but his political stand took courage. But I was at that S.F. game this year, and I didn’t see a quarterback that I want wearing a Bear’s uniform. He just wasn’t any good.

  • BearDown100393

    Jay’s better than Kaepernick.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Here’s the thing .. if we could only get a third rounder for him .. he’s not worth trading IMO. It would just be dumb to throw away the talent for a third rounder.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Watching the Kizer – Trubiskey tapes again. Both these guys are very young and green … but .. .such is life. We may not be in a position next season to go for a top QB .. sometimes you just have to roll the dice.

    Neither looks terrible, both have serious upside.

    • Big Mike

      They look green against college competition no less. They are babies that need 2 years of seasoning.

  • Joecashflow

    In replay, last play of regulation, Pats RB jams his knee and lots of commotion on the Pat’s sideline there and who should appear but Mcquellon, full pads, helmet in hand,…..winning dynasty superbowl ring, forthcoming. And of course Martellus Bennett. That says it all about the 2016 Bears. Hello 2017! Bear down Bears!

  • Bender McLugh

    I wanted to say no way to Kaep, but his passing numbers were good on a mediocre team:
    pass: 2,241yds, 16td, 4int
    rush: 468yds, 2td, 2fum

    I hadn’t entertained the idea of Kaep but now I will. and yeah, who cares about his protests, etc. as long as it’s not detrimental to the team in ANY way.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ve had my eyes opened on Kap/Cousins too .. I was not expecting those numbers (Cousins has 9 rushing TDS in the last two years!). I’ll support whoever they sign/draft … unless his name is Brian.

      And as for politics .. .if you’re a Christian .. .forgive Colin if he pissed you off … if you’re an American .. .support his right to freedom of speech.

      He can wank himself off during the anthem for all I care (they’re just silly songs about blood and murder anyway).

      Just win baby

      • Bender McLugh

        lol

      • leftcoastdave

        Kids do stoopid stuff. The question is, was it “money for nothing and chicks for free?” Would he rather become a celeb or will he (Kap) work for a living (ie., play football)?

        All that said, what are the chances of him making it in Soldier’s Field? I can just picture an animation of the stadium puckering up and spitting him right off to the moon.

      • willbest

        The thing about Christian forgiveness is that the person has to ask for it.

        • dylan roof didn’t ask for it. he got it anyway.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        If the Bears sign Cousins, I’ll proudly draft him in FF.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        “And as for politics .. .if you’re a Christian .. .forgive Colin if he pissed you off … if you’re an American .. .support his right to freedom of speech.”

        You’re assuming a hell of a lot Irish.

    • Kaep had some decent games but also some very bad games where he did look worse then gabbert.
      Also, the Chip O was perfectly suited for him. I doubt Birdcage tailors his playbook that much.

      The other thing is from the eye test, Tyrod has more touch than Kaep.

      Don’t know if that’s worth $8m more or whatever, but worth considering.

      It’s also worth noting that while the blowback from the general population may have been real, many of hus teamates admired his stance, inspiring many others across the league, so i don’t think he’ll be seen as a pariah (unless of course teddy ballgame worries more about the bottom line than winning smh)

      • Bender McLugh

        For me Taylor would be the better get, I just had written off kaep as a possibility. Definitely not the long term answer

        • I think Taylor would be too, for the Bears at least. He digested the Ravens-Flacco playbook, then excelled in a totally new scheme in Buff, so to me that proves he’s more scheme diverse thus better fit with Birdcage.

          Taylor shows waaaaayy more touch than Kap on top of that (and we must remember that it’s not as if Taylor played on an offensive juggernaut in BUF either. His only real weapon at WR was inj for two years, and teams just loaded up the box to stuff Shady or hit him).

          And since Kap isn’t a master of our playbook, don’t think he’d even make a viable 2nd QB who typically get little reps, so must already be familiar with the O (reason we brought Hoyer over to begin with), and as a bonus help the starting QB with film and on gameday on the sidelines.

  • Waffle

    ok, at this point i’ll be a taking a break from the quasi break i’ve already been taking. Stork? Hoyer? Kap? Barkley? Holy. Fuck.
    I will not let the revisionist history of a mouth pee’er like Butch Pissy Face become the real history and reasons behind the epic suckage in overall talent level.

    In fact, I pee all over anyone’s assertions that we lost more than we won for any other reason than the quality of the D over the past few seasons. AND THAT is why we’ll be taking defensive top picks and focusing on D free agents this offseason. …….that is unless Butch broke into the Halas Hall laboratory of the PaceBot, pissed in his circuitry and changed his programming to “full retard”.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Just win Baby. 52-52. Jay carried on Lovies legacy with perfection, so jess, ju are correct.

    • Revisionist? Ur the ultimate revisionist. If Jay had Bill Walsh as HC, Dallas oline, 85 bears D …then Jay would be great.
      Newsflash. Cargo would still lock on to WRs, still unable to process the field fast enough, still hold the ball in the pocket like a loaf of bread, still get stripped sack, still rip his vag , still SUCK except once every 3 games.

      He stinks more than a hookr in a schizer vid after the german gobbles down a pound of braust and kimche

  • Captain Obvious

    Gonna try to bullet-point my thoughts:

    I am of one mind with MB: this is not the year to solve the QB problem. I don’t think Jimmy G is the savior. He might even be a good QB, but I don’t think he’s The One. And that’s what Jeff might be dancing around so much that he’s missing: there is no indication any QB in the draft (or Jimmy G) is the savior, and the #3 pick is one you typically associate with picking a guy who solves a position’s problem for years (whether or not that’s the reality is a different story — that’s the assumption/perception).

    So, if this is not the year to solve the QB problem, you get a guy who’s good enough to get you through the year. Hoyer is on the roster. Is he terrible? No. He’ll do while Pace fixes the back end of the defense and adds some beef to the DLine rotation.

    Is a veteran/bridge guy a better option than Hoyer? Yes and no. I don’t doubt Kap or Cousins or even Jimmy G might be better than Hoyer. But are they long-term solutions? Are they the game-changing QBs that would make the Bears perennial playoff contenders, like Jeff argues constantly about? I think for just about every QB available or potentially available, the answer is “probably not.” With Jimmy G the answer is “don’t know enough.”

    Look, the draft is a crap shoot. But that said, you can’t point to a guy like Kizer and say with any amount of certainty that he’s gonna be great. In fact, everything points to him probably not being great. Watson is similar, though there’s more argument for him not sucking. The times people agree that a QB prospect will be great are rare. But the draft class of 2018 has more QBs that look like those rarities. If the Bears end up 8-8 in 2017, they might get the 2nd or 3rd best QB in a strong class… instead of the best or 2nd best QB in a weak class this year.

    Bottom line: fix the defense this year. Fuck thinking about a QB until 2018. Do the simple thing and let it ride on Hoyer the Destroyer. Trade Cutty for a six pack and some gum, but get something for him — his time in Chicago is done. And if you can pick up an ace in the discard pile, go ahead — but don’t expect greatness from someone’s sloppy seconds.

    • leftcoastdave

      Obviously. The monsters of the midway need to build it, and they will come.
      DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD- FENSE!!!!!!!!!!

    • Huge Bears Penis

      There is a veteran that is better than Hoyer, and he is currently on the roster. If you are not going to address the QB position this draft or offseason then ride Cutler another year. Why trade him for a six pack and some gum? Unless some team puts up a trade offer that blows you away keep him. An average Cutler year would still be better than Hoyer.

      • leftcoastdave

        I am more than a bit surprised that this board seems to have buried Matt Barkley. Did I miss the services? Sure, when pushed to a “pass only” game and nothing but on the job training with the receiver corp suffering from dropsey, he looked bad. But there were also times when he looked good, very good.
        For what it’s worth, (fifteen seconds of reading time) I don’t gamble in the QB market this year.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I’d be fine with him as a backup.

        • MB30SD

          he’s the only one that can bury himself (see: the last 2 games this year)

          Let ’em fight it out and may the best shitty QB win!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Gotta take into account that if the Bears are looking for a bridge guy, you need more than 1 year. You’re just delaying the inevitable by keeping Cutler on the team.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Cutler is under contract till 2020 plenty of bridge. Draft a damn QB, trade for a QB, do what needs to be done. Just not Hoyer. I would rather keep Cutler on the team than rely on Hoyer.

          • willbest

            The argument for Hoyer is that it will give Pace about $6-7 million to spend on somebody else. The argument against Hoyer, is then you have Hoyer as your QB for a season. Which I might remind people Cleveland did for a year. So we would just be confirming we are Cleveland.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I don’t see why anyone should be worried about money or the cap. right now we have 50+ mill, even with Cuttler’s contract. We are most likely cutting Houston and Royal, which will give us another 10-11 mill. plenty of money to upgrade positions of need like CB, S, WR, TE

          • willbest

            I personally am not. Just saying that is the argument. Incidentally, its not just that we have cap room, its that we don’t have any Von Millers in the pipeline.

            2018 FA of note

            Leno. He is a mid to low end starting LT. That is worth a lot but you are looking at $7-8 million tops

            Meredith. Maybe he goes nuts, but he is looking to be in the Sanu to Garcon range of $7-8.5 million

            Hicks. Solid play, but he is already taking up $5 million, maybe he makes a bit more $6.5 million range, but you find that difference in the couch cushions

            Fuller. ??? Not only does he need to get out of the hot tub, he needs to bring it. And I would rather somebody else turn him into Haynesworth Jr.

            2019 FA of note

            Freeman and Sitton, but they are both going to be 32. They are going to cost less than they do now. Young will probably be retired by then. Massie will be 29 he won’t be commanding more than he does now. Goldman is the question mark here. If he gets past his injury issues he will command a good 5-6 million but unless he transforms in to Poe or Dareus we won’t have to figure out how to pay him.

          • CanadaBear

            Agree on most of this. If Goldman stays healthy he will get a helluva payday. Tough to stay healthy at that position. If Hicks follows up this year with a better 2017 (conceivable if Goldman stays healthy) he will be getting a bit more than that. Who knows? Money is not the problem for the Bears. Lets hope Pace is up to the challenge.

          • Cutler in next two years will cost the cap $33M

            Hoyer in next two years will cost the cap, what, $10M? (if that).

            Cutler is NOT $23M+ better than Hoyer. Of that, I’m certain.

            I’d rather throw that $23M at Berry and Alshon.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            So it’s not your money. And we have plenty of cap space to pay them all.

          • CanadaBear

            My issue besides the fact that if Cutler comes back and shits the bed (a real possibility) POX could both go down the drain. Why would they do that? Jay isn’t their guy. For me, I’ve seen this movie 8 times and I’m enjoying the way it ends less each time.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Are you willing to have Hoyer as the starting QB?

          • CanadaBear

            Yep. I would like to think they can come up with a better option but if not, at least it’s not Cutler. Nothing personal against the guy but you know the Bears would end up under .500 with a couple of good games, a couple of terrible games and about 3-4 if/only games that always seem to go against him. Why go through that again? Not to mention, it will be a tough sell. When Bears/Fudgies tix are selling for $25 on the after market, whoa!

          • Huge Bears Penis

            With Hoyer we win 5 maybe 6 games.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt. Sucking moose wang is painful. I’m OK with Hoyer if they have a feasible QB developing this year. No more of the late round poke and hopes. Find someone and develop them. I know it’s easier said than done but the Bears have been marching in place thinking they were going somewhere with Cutler. If they trade for JG so be it. Same with a high draft pick at QB. I think Pace goes out the door with Fox if this is allowed to go forward without a QB of the future on the roster.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I get a little frustrated with a lot of people on here when it comes to the QB. Either they don’t want to use the 1st round pick to trade for a QB, or they don’t want to use it to draft a QB, Then today there were several that said don’t even worry about a QB this year and go with Hoyer. It doesn’t make sense. If Pace/Fox likes any QB whether JG or McCarron, or draft go get him who cares if it cost us our 1st round pick. Take the fricken chance. Not going to get anything if we don’t try. Hell draft another QB next year to in the high rounds. The position is that important. But going with Hoyer is not going to help out one bit.

          • CanadaBear

            I totally agree about committing to a new QB. I’m still OK if the pick is in the second rd, third round maybe but unlikely. Just as long as it’s a viable candidate. 2017 would take a miracle to see the Bears hit .500. I’m non plussed by Hoyer but I’m just not up for another year of Cutler.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            One of the main problems I see with Hoyer is he has no downfield game, teams will start stacking the box. And the only thing that is going to accomplish is getting our stud RB injured. Just like the last couple years in KC with Charles, and Foster in Houston when Hoyer was QB.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s a good point. Let’s hope they acquire a day 1 starter that’s not currently on the roster (or Hoyer).

      • Pox have already benched Cutler for Hoyer, so no, according to both HC and GM, Cargo is NOT better than the destroyer.

        (and plz, let’s not be blind. Jay was benched unless u believe he magically healed RIGHT whem Hoyer broke)

        • willbest

          I don’t think he was right all season. I think he got fucked up in the Houston game, and Hoyer was better than broken Cutler.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure about that. He played a helluva game against the BiQueens (his only good game last year). I’m sure he was dinged up but that’s Cutler’s MO. There’s a price to be paid for being a slow processor.

          • I can concede the possibility that MAYBE, just MAYBE, he was inj and that’s what made him look like kimche dumps.

            HOWEVER, factoring history, it seems more like the norm. The true anomaly seems to be that Gase season, which as someone else already pointed out, Cutler was basically turned into a strong-armed dump-off machine for mortal fear of turnovers (see, Alex Smith).

            And like Canada points out – Cutler didn’t struggle vs Vikes later in the season, and he is indeed a slow processer and inj prone (which tend to go hand and hand, see Vick).

          • willbest

            No he still made his typical shit decisions when he was playing. But he probably underthrew the football more this year than the entire rest of his career combined.

            If we roll with him in 2017, I wouldn’t bet on him making through the season, but given that he was perfectly healthy in 2012 after 2011, and then again in 2014 and 2015 after 2013, I also wouldn’t be shocked if he made it through the season either.

          • Again, much like with Travolta. Wouldn’t be shocked at another hit, or miss.

            Hard to be competitive with that much turmoil at THE most important position in perhaps all of sports.

            It’s all moot anyways. He’ll be gone. Hoyer will likely bridge, only missing piece of the puzzle is who Pace gets for the long term, through the draft or FA.

        • EnderWiggin

          “Pox have already benched Cutler for Hoyer” ~ alternative facts

          • They did Ender. Cutler could’ve played sooner, but when Hoyer was taking care of the ball, competing nearly 70%, throwing for about 300 and 2 TDs per game and keeping them close till the end, Fox is like, “Whoa. Let’s see what happens.”

            Once Hoyer got hurt, hallelujah, Cutler’s healed!

            If you believe that was a coincidence, there’s a bridge in brooklyn I’d like to sell you.

            Also, I don’t disagree with how they did it. It would’ve been stupid to just say, “Of course Cutler’s benched”. That would not only cause unnecessary controversy but also devalue him in possible trades, which they were already planning on.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta agree. He wasn’t benched in the typical sense but if Hoyer hadn’t got hurt Jay’s injury would have been a slow healer.

          • I also believe if Hoyer had crapped the bed like Barkley did the last two games, he would’ve gotten pulled for Cutler, and I would have had lil issue with it cuz at that point we all regarded Barkley as another Clausen.

            The thing is, Hoyer did NOT crap the bed like Barkley the last two games, and as such I think he’s a viable “bridge” till the ’18 QB butch plan.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Would you mind repeating that please?

    • #Darnold18

  • willbest

    Hell No.

  • BearDown100393

    Tomorrow’s Post: Finding a Quarterback: Jeff George and letting the beast out of the basement

    • Huge Bears Penis

      George will tell you he can still play and even learn the playbook in under 3 hours.

      • BearDown100393

        30 minutes if Trestman returns.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          30 seconds if Tice returns.

          • BearDown100393

            No playbook required for Terry Shea.

          • CanadaBear

            Where’s Gary Crowton when you need him?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Now you’re just showing off. He’s coached for 16 different teams since 1982, mostly low tier college teams.

          • CanadaBear

            Now who’s showing off!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Haha. I had to look him up. Never heard of the guy.

          • CanadaBear

            I can’t remember what I did yesterday but out of the blue I’ll remember some totally useless information.

          • Virginiapdehart

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  • willbest

    Why is Tom Brady’s stolen jersey still clogging up my news feed?

    • BearDown100393

      Mysteriously reappears urine soaked in the Oval Office.

  • willbest

    Falcon’s fired their DC? Why the fuck is he being scapegoated for Kyle’s shit play calling. They locked down the Pats D for 3 quarters and scored 7 points themselves.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      does it matter really who the DC is? Quinn is the real DC.

      • leftcoastdave

        Looking to find someone smart enough to say “run out the clock, coach, and take the field goal”????

    • BearDown100393

      It’s the smart move.
      – Lovie Smith

    • leftcoastdave

      Wow. That said, the D clearly ran out of juice. Burned bright and then fizzled, albeit against the best. That one hour half time “break” sure did if you’re talking mo. Rotations in the trenches?
      Whatever. Somebody will love to grab him.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Uh…because the D had more holes in it than all of Jeffs defense of Cutler arguments put together.

      Does the term hanging by a thread ring a bell? Hee hee.

  • 505Bears

    Kaep throws ducks from the pocket. Any time he started last year, his passing yards came from play action roll outs. Plus the social/media crap he has gotten himself into, say pass. Plus no to Garrapaho.

    • willbest

      I doubt that 3rd tier DJ that keeps his balls in a jar would allow him to take a job in Chicago anyway.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    Fuck Colin Kaepernick

    • MB30SD

      in his face!

  • Thompson Way

    I say that they should stick with Matt Barkley, and spend this year building the D.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Your an idiot.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        *You’re

  • CanadaBear

    I read an interesting piece on CSN about dealing with McDouche. He unloaded Cutler on the Bears and he might have a hand in unloading Jimmy G. on the Bears. The thought of that smarmy little douche ass fucking the Bears twice makes me cringe.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      he just wants us to have a good QB when we hire him after Fox is fired.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        You’re a regular chameleon.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          why do you say that?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Comedian. Hahaha

          • Huge Bears Penis

            lol that makes more sense, although being called a chameleon did intrigue me.

          • SC Dave

            Indeed.

          • MB30SD

            I have the coolest pic/vid of a baby flap-necked chameleon

          • CanadaBear

            Any in wallet size? You could pass them out to everyone! Sounds like you’re having a good time. Stay safe.

          • MB30SD

            digital… we’re hooking the whole valley up to a generator and wire up the whole place.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Don’t forget the claymores.

  • BearDown100393
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Kinda makes me ill when I think long enough about what this sport has become. You know dam well they’d double the prices if they felt they’d get away with it.

      • willbest

        They just raised the price of season tickets less than 1% per year.

        I recall back when IL extracted a 10 year pay freeze out of ComEd and the first thing they did when the freeze ended was jack rates 30%. People were furious, but it worked out to be about whatever inflation was over that period of time.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          It’s not the amount Will, it’s the fact that they charge “fair market” prices for a garbage product.

          • willbest

            Some teams have to lose. This isn’t fucking high school where everybody that shows up gets a diploma.

            The only way to up the quality of the product would be if the NFL cut 4 teams, and increased the roster size to 60. But good luck finding 4 billionaires to bite that bullet.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            not the only way to increase quality. I am sure having a developmental league would help out a lot.

          • Johnnywad

            Man I just don’t get the developmental league. The problem isn’t experience at all. There are plenty of avenues to develop a player’s game prior to reaching the NFL. It’s that the people teams are looking for, are so rare, physically, mentally, etc., there aren’t enough to go around. Everybody wants the next Aaron Rodgers. There aren’t any more of them. Some day there will be. But right now, there isn’t.

            Take a middle of the road QB like Cutler, and put him in a so called “developmental league” for two to three years. Is he going to be better than he is now after a decade in the NFL? No. Once you clear a certain threshold, you don’t get better playing against less than the best. The bulk of NFL rosters fit the bill. There are certainly guys that don’t belong in the NFL out there, but playing a couple years against weaker competition isn’t gonna fix that.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Almost every European soccer league has developmental leagues. Barclay’s Premiere has 3. The NFL doesn’t have one because they have a free slave league called the NCAA. It’s a little harder to do developmental leagues since the average player doesn’t have long enough careers. I could also see some serious legal costs being incurred to run a developmental league. They tried it with NFL Europe and it didn’t work. It’s a shame.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            NFL Europe did not work because it was Europe. Not a lot of fan support. However you put a team in some of the small markets in US, probably be able to generate enough support locally to be profitable or close to breaking even. You make a good point on legal costs.

          • Johnnywad

            Arena league, CFL and XFL blow. Already been tried.

          • He Hate Me.

            Come on. Don’t overlook greatness.

          • Johnnywad

            I really thought he had the goods.

          • Johnnywad

            I also thought the Lingerie League had legs.

          • i see what you did there.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Arena league is a joke. CFL has limitations on how many non Canadians can be on a team. And the XFL was run by Vince McMahon so how could you take it seriously.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m pretty sure the US has hit peak saturation with football. If the ratings drop again next year, there will be some stern looks at the commissioners office. Mostly by the owners.

          • Mark Cuban, 21st century prophet.

          • CanadaBear

            You name-changing mofo.

          • Johnnywad

            Soccer doesn’t really translate. Cuz it’s gay.

          • CanadaBear

            I could see a few players developing and it working out for them but like Trac was saying about the costs and liabilities, these guys are getting dinged up just like everyone else. Lots of tread off the tire before they get to the NFL.

          • Johnnywad

            Right. And call it whatever you like, NCAA or otherwise, a few extra seasons against other developmental players isn’t going to make for a better NFL product in my opinion. If you aren’t good enough at 22, you may get there by being part of an NFL practice and training regimen. But I doubt you get better playing more seasons against second rate players while accruing more football seasons on the body.

            I think the rules have ruined the game. Not the decline of the player. It’s damn near impossible to even cover a receiver anymore. Example: The guys playing DB today would have truly shut down the receivers of 20 years ago prior to rules changes.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m OK with the changes to hitting a defenseless player. It’s unfortunate they had to legislate it out of the game but deep down all of us understand. That being said, let the players play. If a big strong receiver can box him, let him. Or vice versa. Only call the obvious ones and make them reviewable on a challenge. The bad ones are a spot foul and the less egregious 5 yds (either way O or D). I know this isn’t perfect but FFS it just sucks now.

          • Johnnywad

            Yep

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I think it would definitely help QBs, especially since so few QBs coming out of college run a pro-style offence anymore. I do not know how much it helps the guys in the trenches much but I could see it as beneficial to WRs and DBs. The one knock on a lot of WR coming out is that they are raw and don’t have good route running skills. And a lot of DBs don’t have the necessary Man to man cover skills.

          • Johnnywad

            But why not just learn those skills against other NFL caliber players in practice? Why try to start a whole new league? I just don’t think the problem with DBs is they haven’t played enough.

          • willbest

            In the name of keeping players healthy for game day the NFLPA and NFL have watered down the practice schedule. A lot of my problem with this season has just been sloppy play. Not just bad play.

          • CanadaBear

            And let them dress the full 53 on game day. That’s always pissed me off because it’s just about the owners being just a little too greedy. Fuckers!

          • willbest

            Do they pay those 7 less? Quite frankly I like the only dress 46. Otherwise you are giving a competitive advantage to the team that is the least dinged up. If you let them dress all 53 then you would probably have to create a 2 week & 4 week DL.

          • CanadaBear

            Mostly they don’t travel and the costs associated with it. Pretty sure if you’re on the 53 you get league min. Never looked it up. I just don’t get holding back 7 somewhat healthy players. I’ve seen a lot of Bears games over the years where they get hit with a rash of injuries at the same position and there were better options left at home than ended up on the field. You work with all of these guys all week, dress everybody.

          • willbest

            Fair enough, but more than 1 game this year I recall 5 of the 7 not being able to play. I just feel that if all 53 showed up you would have a coach like belichick who would figure out ways to use those extra spots to his advantage. Like each week there will be 3-4 guys on the 53-man roster he has brought in specifically for the team he is playing that week in some arcane sub packages he has invented.

            Right now you get 46, but just to cover your basics and have injury subs thats 40-42. Doesn’t leave a lot of space to get super creative.

          • CanadaBear

            One more reason to hate the rule. Hoodie already has enough advantages, let him miss out on one.

          • Johnnywad

            I would add that it doesn’t seem to have worked. I’m sure there’s plenty of hard evidence out there in to lazy to go find, but it seems like there are more injuries than ever.

          • willbest

            You don’t think some of it might not just be not enough people getting the opportunity?

            How many Dak Prescotts don’t get discovered because the Tony Romos of the world don’t get injured.

          • Johnnywad

            Not many is my guess. I really doubt such talent goes unnoticed in and environment such as an NFL practice. Particularly so given the “shortage” of quality QBs.

            I would also point to the fact that the majority of the time a starting QB goes down, his replacement blows.

            And to be fair about Dak, his talent was pretty well known. He’s a late draft choice because he got busted drinking and driving.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Jon Kitna, Kurt Warner,Dante Hall, Jake Delhomme, James Harrison, Brad Johnson, Vinatieri, David Akers. All played in Europe.

          • Johnnywad

            And with a murderers row like that, (Warner excepted), who could fault the idea? Hahahaha

            Brad Johnson, Jon Kitna?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Brad Johnson has a SB ring.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah but I think he and Trent Dilfer just have to share one. I don’t think the league would let them each have their own.

          • CanadaBear

            Good one! Peyton should just get a cigar band.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            they got them 2 different years on 2 different teams…. Besides Brad Johnson was not as bad as you remember. He has a record of 72-53

          • Johnnywad

            Which is what makes the joke so funny.

            Brad Johnson won games in a similar fashion to Trent Dilfer and Kyle Orton.

          • A developmental league wouldn’t hurt, though.

            It would probably mirror the “hit” rate of NFL Europe, meaning, many probably won’t crack the NFL from there, HOWEVER, every once in a while, it’s possible

            Both Warner and Fox’s Del Homme played over there, and both said it did help them, so while I agree with you that TYPICALLY a player reaches a threshold, there’s been instances where players have indeed turned it around later (Gannon another).

            I do wonder tho: how many QBs has baseball siphoned from the NFL?

            Seems like pitchers share the same traits as QBs. Typically bigger, used to the spotlight, obviously arm and such, and we know guys like Elway and Cutler could’ve probably been pitchers if they chose (and Wilson played shortstop).

            That might futher dilute the QB pool.

          • Johnnywad

            No doubt. And more power to them. I’d pitch if I could over playing QB.

            And your point is well taken about Warner and Co. I think you dilute the player pool enough building a developmental league that you do more harm than good in what ultimately nets very few players.

          • I think it all depends on how the developmental league is set up and who’ll be in it.

            If it combines the best from CFL, Arena, FAs who couldn’t make teams, intriguing European, Rubgy prospects, etc, then like NFL Europe, might bear some fruit, but how much, who knows?

            I don’t think it’ll cure the QB drought. Even if every NFL team thinks Kizer is 2 yrs away from being viable, and rationalizing that the developmental league would do him wonders, a team will still draft him in the 1st, so that the developmental league will be stuck with 4rth string leftovers (if that) or has-been QBs trying to restore their rep (much like Warner/DelHomme).

            But at other positions, could be more productive, esp at HB.

            If a HB is just TEARING it up in the developmental league (not all impossible. late rders frequently pop up out of nowhere even in the NFL), then I could easily envision a team scooping him up, and same with other non-qb positions.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            No man, I’ve been a fan for a long time. This team needs new blood upstairs. The wrong people are driving the car.

          • willbest

            The only way that happens is if when Ginny dies we find out 3-4 of the children are at war with the other 3-4 and the sell the team out to that Aon CEO guy.

          • I could see like 4 GMs willing to get bought out.

            Won’t be the Maras, McCaskeys, or Rooneys, but maybe like Jag owner, etc who only bought the teams for $ not cuz they really cared.

            Ironically, I think the Browns’ GM would probably fall into that.

            How fucked up would that be if he closed down the Browns for $ lol

        • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

          Trump likes the NFL teams that win, not the teams that don’t.

        • Yeah, maybe the real issue is inflation rates vs pay raises…

          • willbest

            Perhaps. Neither Bush nor Obama did dick squat for anybody in the bottom 90%. But it could also be the case that people don’t plan 10 years ahead.

      • CanadaBear

        I got so pissed at them over how they handled refunds for the 1982 strike, I haven’t spent any money on merch or tix since. Nothing like holding a grudge for 35 years (and counting).

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Lol. yeah man, I totally get it.

        • how did they handle refunds for the 1982 strike?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I am guessing they didn’t, and kept the money.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty close, apply it to next year’s tix. I was so pissed about the strike and the team fucking around the buying public, it soured me forever on spending money on the Beloved.

          • CanadaBear

            They kept giving me the run around trying to apply the money to next year’s tix. My sister is a lawyer in Chicago who happens to hate football. She was only too happy to hound them. She bugged them so much after 2-3 months of BS they finally relented and she went to the offices to pick up the check. She announced her name loudly and heads popped up from numerous cubicles to see what that bulldog looked like. Gave us both a lot of satisfaction.

          • We should make her Commish!

          • CanadaBear

            The problem is she hates football. She has always called the NFL cheerleaders football strippers. Other than me, she doesn’t suffer fools gladly.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            The Bears could use some football strippers.

          • CanadaBear

            Big Time! I’m guessing that will be the only change in the Bears org when Ginny passes.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I married one just like her. I didn’t stay a fool long. I had to undergo a brutal learning curve.

        • Scharfinator

          Hey, if you don’t stick to your convictions, well then you don’t have any.

          😉

          • CanadaBear

            Irish Alzheimer’s (can only remember my grudges). My dad’s side of the family is Irish.

  • One Dump from Retirement (GP)

    Butch Pissy face? LOL.

    Some blog feuds are funnier than others.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      I am thinking Butch should change his name to that.

      • We all know, the handle and avi stays until Cargo wears his cap backwards in CLE or throws INTs in NJ.

        Though I was tempted to change it to Strat-o-matic-by-email in honor of Al

  • A text-based adventure game where you have to figure out the 49ers QB mess. Would be cool if someone made a Bears one:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLadventureclub/comments/5s8l30/sf_adventure_home_page/?st=iysxs1xr&sh=4ba21187

  • Redflagdan

    Did anyone run this by Virginia Halas McCaskey?

    • BearDown100393

      She’s napping.

  • Malice Halice

    Kap and Taylor over Jimmy-who ANYDAY! If not either of em. Then D.Watson and get a TE who’d b a great checkdown.

  • Speaking of Barkley, I wonder what his downfall was?

    Was it that teams figured him, or Birdcage out (or both), or more that he pressed too much when behind?

    It seemed like all his bozo mistakes came when trailing from behind.

    I wonder if he simply needs to learn how to pace himself, or if the NFL just owns him.

    • You see a decent number of guys have success in their first 2-3 games. Then teams get enough film to notice tendencies and take those away.

      Then they have to be able to adapt. That’s often the key test to me; can a guy continue to play well after 2-3 games.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        The HC or OC is supposed to be able to catch on fast to what the oposing D is doing and then counter punch. That’s what makes Belicheat so dangerous. The guys a football guru.

        • MB30SD

          And why we are the diametric opposite

      • Yeah, I was curious if he’d still look good around game 4.

        But the wheels fell off big time.

        Then the season ended.

        I wouldn’t have minded to see him in like 1-2 more games to see if he would counter, but maybe the season ending was good for him.

        Could step back and analyze what went wrong for a few months without confidence completely deflating.

        • I would be very happy with him back on a prove-it deal (1 year vet minimum) competing for a roster spot. If he earns it, great.

          • willbest

            I feel bad for the kid. If the season were 3 games shorter he would have gotten a 3-year $18 mil, $12 mil guaranteed somewhere.

  • willbest
    • Malice Halice

      Man, basically if u can stay on the pats team for atleast 3 years ur bound to get a ring! That jus cra-cra

  • willbest
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Will, it’s called upping the ante.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      MLB thinks it needs to cater to the short attention span of millennials.

    • BerwynBomber

      If they are serious about speeding up the game put a clock on the pitcher and limit the # of times a batter can step out of the batter’s box in a given at-bat. I have heard some discussion on the former but rarely much on the latter.

      Funny, for all the ratings bonanza that was the Cubs WS win, baseball (like hockey) is a local/regional sport these days. If the Cubs make it to a couple/few more WS in the coming years, it will be interesting to see how ratings fare. My guess is they will decline and track a bit more to the norm.

      One of the huge problems with MLB and the NHL is that they do horrible job of marketing their sports nationally. Unlike the NFL and the NBA, which run circles around them.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        the did put additional rules about the batter’s box. Batter may only leave the box if he swings or brushed back by a pitch, else he has to keep at least one foot in the box between pitches. Umps have enforced this rule a few times last year. And I believe they have a timing rule on pitchers but don’t know what it is. They have a pitch clock in the minors.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, but the one foot in kinda makes it a rule w/out teeth. One foot out basically means you’re still not in the batter’s box, correct?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            sort of. There was one game that i know of that the ump told the batter to get set because he was taking to long, and he didn’t. He let the pitcher make a pitch for a strike. So really it is up to the ump to enforce the rules and keep the pace of the game moving.

      • willbest

        Football’s selling point in that regard is there are only 256 games in the entire regular season. In a given week I have time to not only watch my team, but 2-3 other games. You don’t get that type of commitment when there is 80-160 games in a season. You only have time for your team.

        • BerwynBomber

          Not really. The NBA has an 82 game schedule and it still followed nationally throughout the course of the regular season. One of the reasons? Big picture national TV contracts.

          MLB and NHL is often hidden God knows where come post-season. Or in the case of MLB’s league championship and WS, they put it on Fox which basically doesn’t promote baseball except for three weeks out of the year.

      • leftcoastdave

        I think it is totally BS. This takes away so many coaching decisions from arms to pinch hitters and runners it is absurd. If it ain’t broke, DON’T FIX IT!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Get on the mound and throw the damn ball.

        Stay in the damn batter’s box and stop playing with your damn batting gloves after every pitch.

        This should have been address way back when a player, Mike Hargrove, acquired the nickname, “The Human Rain Delay.”

        • But isn’t that supposed to be the “charm” of baseball, the trait which distinguishes it from say basketball or foootball, that it’s laid back and patient?

          The anti-twitter sport, so to speak.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Once upon a time, I was an avid baseball fan. It was the first pro sporting even I ever attended.

            But the length of games has gotten ridiculous.

            When Wilbur Wood faced off against Mickey Lolich, that game was gonna be around 2 hours, tops, because they didn’t take 2 minutes between every pitch.

            Now, every time the Yankees play the Red Sox its 4 hours plus, even if the final is 4-3.

            That’s not “Charm”. That’s a waste of time.

            And if a pitcher can’t get more than 1 guy out before he needs to relieved, he’s in the wrong game.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Agree the specialist pitcher is the worst. If he can only get left handers out then he should not be in the league. I think a relief pitch should be forced to face at least 3 batters unless the inning ends.

          • You get 1 mid-inning pitching switch per game.

            If injury necessitates another one, every player currently batting or on base advances 1 free base as a penalty.

            Could probably put some exception in there too for if a guy is totally getting lit up. Like, give up 3 runs in an inning and you can be pulled.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Oh, and doing your warming up in the bullpen.

            When you get on the mound you get 3 warmups and then let’s play ball.

          • I have only caught a few games and don’t remember if they were THAT much
            longer than the ones in the 80s/90s when I used to watch religiously.

            But if the games have indeed gotten that much longer due to loligagging, then yeah, cut down on it.

          • Cormonster

            The games are definitely longer than they were back in the 80’s. A typical Cubs game would have the lead-off man show at 1, game start at 1:15, and it would usually be over by 3:30-3:45. Then there would be a 15 minute post-game show and the whole thing was almost always done by 4. Now the games are about 3 hours and playoff games seem to average 4 hours. It’s ridiculous.

    • I’ve always been sorta a baseball purist (though def ok with instant review and computer implemented foul balls and strikes), but I can see the 2nd base thing.

      I wouldn’t do it right away though.

      Maybe implement it in the 12th inning. And if they’re gonna go there, then if no one scores, in the 13th start a player off on 3rd base.

      That should pretty much guarantee a run and most games ending by like the 14th inning.

      Almost like college when they start them off already in FG range in OT.

      But I would do this in the minors first, see how it goes.

      HOWEVER, when it comes to the playoffs and WS, back to the normal format.

      Those extra innings only add tension and drama, which would naturally be great for ratings.

      In the regular season though, fans would just go to sleep.

  • BerwynBomber

    Cheese release Sam Shields. Definitely their best CB the last few years but missed almost the entirety of ’16 season due to concussions, and at this point has a history of them that rivals Wes Welker’s.

    • willbest

      I wouldn’t want to pay him $9.5 million. I don’t know why he is all “they should have let me retire” I suspect somebody will take a $3 million gamble on him. Hell we should.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, can’t blame the Cheese but always tough to say sayonara to team stalwarts. (Of course, we saw this writ large with Lach, Briggs and Peanut.)

        But if the Tao of Belichick has taught us anything it is the wisdom of knowing when to say adios to pricey veterans. Cheese have some organizational issues but they seem to be in the midst of trimming some vets. Yesterday, Starks. Today, Shields. Wouldn’t be surprised if they let Lacy walk and say goodbye to Pep soon.

        P.S. I imagine a lot of teams will take a look a Shields. The concern is putting stock, strategically or financially, in the guy’s availability.

  • BerwynBomber

    Iggles release CB Leodis McKelvin.

    • Interrrresting

      • MB30SD

        Is it?!?

        Wasn’t he in the movie 300?!

        • That was King Liodise? Some shit like that.

          McKelvin was drafted #11 overall I think once upon a time.

          But he’s like 32 now and more of a zone CB. The Iggles fan seem to have mixed reviews on him.

          Pass.

          Iggles are against the cap though. They may have to cut a few good players.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, sounds like a pass.

            No rebuttals on me lighting you up on a few posts? Lame.

          • You’re african bush time zone conflicts with my West Siiiide time zone now.

            What fucking time is it over there anyways? I imagine them using one of these to tell time

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcHNOOW4ywA

          • MB30SD

            I was up at 3 working unfortunately.

            Vacation my ass

          • I see Botswana is landlocked, but has a couple lakes and such?

            You going native yet?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUvghGuYbh0

          • MB30SD

            Yes, stunning country.

            Hell naw.

          • Are you by the lakes? South, north, east?

          • MB30SD

            very south, right on the boarder of South Africa.

  • willbest

    Since releases are starting to trickle in here is some info for people that haven’t bothered to look

    Feb 15 – The date the franchise tags can be applied
    Feb 28 – Slave measurement and weigh in starts
    March 7 – legalized tampering date
    March 9 – first day of FA, all clubs must be under the top 51 salary cap
    April 3 – New coaches teams get to start
    April 17 – everybody else gets to start
    April 27 – NFL draft

    • BerwynBomber

      Ah yes, the end of winter is nigh when Jeff gives us his annual “this is a modern-day slave auction” combine tweets.

      • MB30SD

        Face….. Palm

      • Irish Sweetness

        Enslave me oh Lord, bond me in thy shackles and wring thy pissmop in my mouth. Tieth me down in a front-loaded, 10 million guaranteed contract, oh Lord ….

  • leftcoastdave

    Did I miss news on Matt Barkley?

    • willbest

      There was a special ceremony an hour ago. They inducted him into Canton. Made a special exception for him.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        no no no, he was indicted in Canton, he was portraying a NFL QB on NFL HOF property.

      • leftcoastdave

        Wow. Prescient.

    • Waffle

      He just got promoted to manager of Chipotle in River North.

  • BerwynBomber
    • Da Destroya only behind Glennon and Cousins!

      I don’t exactly agree with some of their negatives, namely, that Hoyer doesn’t know his limitations.
      In fact, I think it’s the opposite. He’s all too aware of his limitations, and this can make him reluctant to throw deep or be aggressive even when the team needs it.

      Interesting about Cousins. They pretty much conclude he’s maxed out his potential, and that the scheme and talent have carried him more than the other way around. Paying him would be like buying a stock when it’s at an all time high, and they suggest to wait and buy the fucking dip.

      In some ways, I agree . I don’t think Cousins is a foregone conclusion in WASH. Gotta remember, he was a 4rth rounder, and the Shannys are known for being arrogant. They may just want to plug and mold another Cousin-ish QB who’ll be a lot cheaper assuming their system can produce another Cousins.

      • willbest

        DJax and Garcon are competent WR but nobody mistakes them for Brown or Julio, and Reed is a beast but he spends half the season injured. If that is all Cousins is, its better than Alex Smith, and more than enough to win you a Super Bowl even without a Denver 15 or Seattle 13 D.

        • BerwynBomber

          True, neither is elite BUT Desean is still a huge home run threat. One of the best in the league in that regard.

          Jordan Reid’s also a good TE in the Olsen-type mold.

        • Last two seasons Cousins has started off somewhat slow too.
          He’s an interesting case.

          Like what separates him from say Carr or Wilson yr 2?

          Many early Wilson critics said he could never carry the team, that it was all SEA D, and Lynch carrying him, all Wilson had to do was not fuck up, but he’s proven more than that.

          Cousins biggest drawback IMO is his decision making. Sometimes he gets some Cutler in him, but it’s not all the time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He can blow hot and cold like Cutty, for sure

      • Waffle

        “In fact, I think it’s the opposite. He’s all too aware of his limitations, and this can make him reluctant to throw deep or be aggressive even when the team needs it.”
        .
        .
        That’s a limitation in itself. I believe the scientific term is “being a huge pussy”.

        • And what do you call throwing into the guy of fat DTS, or getting strip-sacked saftied, or throwing pick 6s to Conte or 4 INTs to Hall?

          • BerwynBomber

            Need you ask? Don’t caaaaarrrreee …

          • Waffle

            Butch don’t need yo help, he’s a big boy.

          • BerwynBomber

            No worries. I have no dog in the Hoyer/Cutler debate. I thought Hoyer played better than a large portion of the blog cared to admit but that Cutty should have been the starter as soon as he was healthy. But frankly I’m enamored with neither.

          • Waffle

            Onwards and upwards.

          • MB30SD

            The one thing I will eternally be grateful to cutty for… The doooooont caaaaaaaare

          • Waffle

            haha, I’m going to make a clip of your “elite” quarterbacks getting strip sacked, fumbling multiple times a game, throwing pick sixes, throwing multiple pick games, throwing real temper tantrums, being bitches to the media, bitching out coaches, bitching out teammates, missing wide open receivers, under throwing guys, over throwing guys, throwing behind guys, throwing in front of guys, not stepping up in the pocket, stepping up too fast…..etc. It’s called football and no one is immune to it’s charms.
            Don’t get all bent out of shape Pissmop. Haha, pissmop is such a hateful phrase. You aren’t a pissmop little buddy. I take it back.

          • MB30SD

            Dooood, but some deal in them. Don’t go the other way on this, cutty is what he is, it’s not a mystery my main maings.

          • Name one “elite” QB who turns it over at the rate Cargo does. I’ll wait.

            Only guys who are 2nd stringer journeymen like Fitz do, or guys about to become one, like Bortles and Cargo.

            And no, I don’t consider Eli “elite”.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’ll forever think that if Cutler could have provided Rivers-like production we could have lived with a big chunk of the TOs. Problem was Jay’s yards and TDs were never all that.

          • MB30SD

            Yep, part of the equation of it all.

          • willbest

            Andrew Luck? He was racing Cutler neck and neck in 2014

          • I don’t consider Luck “elite” in spite of the media trying to convince me otherwise.

            But, I’d still take him over Cutler obviously since he’s younger, more durable, and adds a running threat.

            Also, speaking to Berwyn’s point about production, in 2014 (Luck’s 3rd year, Jay’s 9th) Luck scored 40 TDs compared to Cutler’s 28.

            And naturally, Cutler still had more TOs (even though Luck played 1 more game).

            edit.

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14874/andrew-luck

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9597/jay-cutler

          • BerwynBomber

            Even Bortles tossed something like 35 TDs in ’15. I don’t know if Jay has ever hit 30.

            28 might be his high.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Since you did not specify ‘current’ I will go with Favre.

        • MB30SD

          Ohhhhhhh, I didn’t know you are a scientist!?

          • Waffle

            haha, I’m in research. Like, how much black mountain muscle man meat does it take to not let Carson Wentz beat you. Wentz looks like he should be watching his mom sleep with a gas station attendant for meth.

          • MB30SD

            Yeeeeesssss.

      • BerwynBomber

        I posted a long one on Cousins last night — won’t bore the blog with my redundant verbal diarrhea — but yeah, I concur with their take. His #s, IMO, are a tad misleading — as were Bradford’s this year and potentially Taylor’s the last couple. In short, Cousin’s #s say he’s a borderline top five guy, and I don’t see it.

        Mind, I’m sure there are a dozen teams (including us) that would love to have him but I’d be suspicious of paying him very top-end QB salary (though I’m sure he’ll get it).

        • willbest

          He doesn’t have “it” But neither does Philip Rivers or Tony Romo. And none of them are/were the reason why their team can’t take it to the next level.

          • BerwynBomber

            But that brings up an interesting point. Romo, in his younger years, did have a little Rodgers-like wow to him, at least in terms of his sandlot-like pocket navigation. (It seemed every other week the he had a 360 highlight where he had pulled a Houdini-like escape.) And Rivers for all his dickheadedness seems a Fouts/Brady-like get-in-your-face leader.

            I guess the thing about Cousins is that nothing stands out. But maybe that buries his success secret: he is just very competent at everything.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Your second paragraph is Hoyer to a tee. He knows he sucks at throwing the ball, so he won’t take a chance doing it unless it’s like an 80% likelihood the pass will be completed.

        • Even b4 Hoyer stepped unto the field, I predicted it.

          He’s overly cautious, which is great when ahead, but when behind, becomes a liability.

          As the zen saying goes, the sword that saves a man, slays a man.

          But I’d rather him be cautious and keep games close then, well, yeah know…

          POX assumes that D won’t get so inj once more, and will be further solidified through FA and the draft. Give Hoyer an extra possession or two to milk that clock behind Howard and that Oline, and some of those close losses will turn into close wins.

          I see the logic. Whether it materializes is another matter.

  • Huge Bears Penis
    • MB30SD

      He’s obviously headed for the pool jumper hof

  • BerwynBomber

    Anyone still intrigued by the AJ McCarron idea? Forgo the QB draft for a year. Bring in McCarron as your 1-A with Hoyer as 1-B and let Barkley/Shaw fight it out for the 53 or PS?

    McCarron has a pop gun of an arm but he seemed to be have a little Pennington-like gameness to him. Then again, CIN is not w/out their O weapons, so maybe that helped.

    • MB30SD

      I’ve always thought he’d be a great team guy… So sure, if we can get the right deal, I’d be all over adding one more to the crapspendous sweepstakes.

      Can his nickname be linguini?

    • I would prefer McCarron over say Glennon, that’s for sure.

      But the problem is McCarron will cost us a draft pick, likely a 2nd or 3rd.

      That’s too rich for my blood, esp since I wanna load up on picks, not lose them (unless it’s for a franchise QB)

      I still say go with my plan. Try as much as fucking possible to trade down and get an extra 1st for ’18 QB draft bonanza. Shit, I don’t even care if we fall to the teens this yr.

      Get as much as possible for Cargo for said draft for extra ammo.

      Sign Alshon, throw the bank at FAs cuz we’re gonna have to.

      • willbest

        If McCarron costs me a 3rd and G costs me a pair of 2nds, I am in Cincinnati in 6 hours.

        • If it’s either/or

          I’m on the flight with you.

          But it’s not. Lots of other options on the table, like perhaps signing Tyrod without giving up any draft pick, or who the fuck knows with Cousins?

          Jimmy G is a huge risk. Yuge.

          • willbest

            Tyrod isn’t getting cut. And he would make more on the open market than he will under the bills contract. I know he gets a massive bonus this year if the opt to keep him but if you look at the base salary the overall result is that he is getting 10-20th QB starter money with about 2-2.25 years guaranteed. Its rather team favorable in that sense.

            And then you have to look at it, who can the Bills get that they know will be better than Tyrod? And the answer is nobody.

          • Never know. Bills new regime could want “their” guy. Happens all the time.

            They’re drafting at #10. Not exactly a prime spot to draft a playmaker.

            I could easily see them drafting a QB at that spot. Which ever one falls, Turbisky, Watson or Kizer (Walterfootball has mocked Kizer to them at #10.)

            They may even want to trade up with us if say the 9ers go Garrapolo and all 3 QBs are still available at our slot.

            Or, they themselves might go after Garrapolo or Romo.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think only the Browns would be dumb enough to sign Romo.

    • Artoo

      If the Bears miss out on Jimmy and Tyrod, then yeah.

      But it would be like keeping Barkley or someone slightly better. He was average and I feel like that’s it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Ber, if I said that ….

      • BerwynBomber

        Yes … ?

        • Irish Sweetness

          McCarron I don’t know anything about … but haven’t we seen Hoyer and Barkley enough?

          Shaw and Fales will never be anything other than backups, but as a #3 – and we should have a #3 – they’re perfect. Barkley might be okay for a #3 actually …

          • BerwynBomber

            But Hoyer’s a safe #2. I know you don’t like him, but the majority of teams in the league would take him in that role provided they don’t have a young development guy occupying it.

            I don’t even know if we’ll see Fales in camp. He might be coaching HS ball next year.

  • MB30SD

    https://imgflip.com/i/1j9l5t

    Yes, that’s a picture I took last night, yes that fucking nightmare is about as big as a pack of playing cards.

    • Captain Obvious

      Reminds me of camel spiders in Iraq.

      Difference is I don’t go back to Iraq and take pictures of them.

      • MB30SD

        Yep, I’ve seen those and I thought the same thing. Fucking gnarly fuckers. Not a fan, but I obviously got pretty close… I was just hoping the thing didn’t jump onto my had.

    • Malice Halice

      That’s real?! What kinda damage it can do?

      • MB30SD

        Yes… Look at it’s fucking jaws. I wasn’t sticking around to find out

    • Waffle

      Fuck.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Ugly beady eyed bastard.

  • BerwynBomber
  • Artoo

    Everyone is looking for us to get a qb but damn, can we get Eric Berry?

    Injury wise he is a risk and it’s awful curious to why the Chiefs are letting him go… but damn, have you seen him play?

    • I love me some Berry. Fav S since he came out of college.

      I think we don’t talk about him as much cuz he’s a no-brainer. We ALL would want him.

      I also want to double-down and sign Will Hill.

      Just keep him away from the greenery.

      • Artoo

        Shit. Green Bay is actually looking to spend this year on defense. They have a good offense and playoff chances.

        Damn.

        • Wouldn’t be surprised since McFatty has been grumbling about FAs for a while.

          Now that they got blasted from the playoffs again, maybe they spend.

          The last big buy they got was none other than Peppers.

          And they might have the upper hand on us if it comes down to it since they have Vadgers.

        • BerwynBomber

          But a) their defense has less bright spots than ours, and b) Thompson is always playing the build for the future game.

          In other words, he would rather make sure Brett Hundley won’t have a disastrous team around him rather than get near win-now mode as Rodgers’ career winds down.

          • Artoo

            Berry could be all about getting paid but I guess we will see.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hey Artoo.

      Yes, it looks like we’ll have to purchase the FS. QBs could go 1 and 2, meaning we’d take Garrett. They might have a higher rating on Allen/Thomas. But if Cutty really is shipped out and Pace pulls the trigger on a new passer … Hooker go bye bye.

      • Artoo

        Cutler is gone. He’s not going to be here much longer.

        I think Pace is just hoping someone will bite for him.

        I’m still in shock about the Bradford trade. If the Bears make a move like that, I just might be done with them.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Let’s be the guys that get a first for Cutty … but we need to take him into next season to do that.

          • Artoo

            I don’t know. I’m trying to figure out it if was age that made the Vikings make that call.

            Still mind blowing

      • BerwynBomber

        Gotta believe Hooker may slide out of the top 10 due to his injuries. Regardless, can’t see Bears taking him at #3.

        • Irish Sweetness

          There’re injuries beside his name? Hmmm.

          Jeremiah’s mock is crack-induced, he has Trubs dropping to the 20s .. and apparently Kizer is a second-rounder. Marshon Lattimore at #2?

          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000784593/article/jeremiah-mock-draft-20-bills-giants-grab-qbs-in-round-1

          Pass it over, Dan.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, Lattimore climbing, I guess. Interesting in that McShay also has us taking Allen.

            Gotta say Jeremiah’s is fun. Didn’t think of the Giants looking for a QB but yeah that makes a modicum of sense. Oh, and he only has Hooker falling to #7 so what do I know.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If Trubiskey is there for the Giants …. I will lick Biggsy’s sweaty ball sack after he’s warmed up.

    • AlbertInTucson

      A ways to go.

      Despite the current rhetoric, I will still be surprised if Berry doesn’t wind up back with the Chiefs.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I still haven’t heard a name mentioned that might be better than Cutty – other than maybe Kaep – that we could actually sign.

    To the blog – suppose the most that could be had for him was a third rounder. Do you still trade him at that point? To Minnesota? For a fourth even? Subtraction can mean addition to a rival.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I am certainly not sending him to Minnesota so he can seek revenge twice a year.

      UNLESS they make the fabled “offer we can’t refuse” which is certainly NOT a #3.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    I don’t see a game changing player in Allen. I see a steady, consistent piece to a larger puzzle. In Thomas, I see a game wrecker.”

    I am for “game-wrecker.”

    The only “game-wreckers” we’ve had lately play QB for us and you know whose games they wreck.

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