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Finding A Quarterback: Can DeShone Kizer Hit the Mark?

| March 30th, 2017

If  the Bears can fix whatever it is that causes DeShone Kizer to be so damn inconsistent with his ball placement, they just might have a franchise quarterback.

When I watched Kizer, I never knew what I was going to get from throw-to-throw, a scary thought for a guy the Bears may be considering with the third pick in the draft. But I can’t tell if it’s an issue that can easily be fixed or one that will dog him throughout what would then be a short NFL career.

A lot of people love Kizer. I respect the opinions of some of those who do. But his inaccuracy is undeniable and when you factor in occasionally-puzzling decision making, it makes him a scary prospect.

Some like to say Kizer’s struggles were only a problem this year and there’s something to that. In 2015 he had just 2 games in which he completed less than 55 percent of his passes, compared to 5 last year.

What happened?The talent around him dropped significantly and his coach was a jackass.

But the issues were still there. Maybe not as extreme, but they existed. Watch him against Ohio State in 2015 and you see a quarterback who was sporadic and made some really dumb decisions. That’s a game he should have learned from. A game that should have made him better and launched an outstanding red shirt sophomore campaign. It just didn’t happen.

The “why” part of the Kizer equation is what makes him such a fascinating prospect. It wasn’t as if he was always inaccurate. He’s fully capable of consistently making good throws. He just doesn’t.

I kept track of a few of Kizer’s games and in almost all of them his accuracy went from really good to really bad or vice versa. There was one game where he was accurate on nearly all of his passes in the first half, then missed on more than half of his passes in the second half. And they were bad misses. He went from threading a needle to not being able to hit the ocean from a boat.

It just doesn’t make sense. And then I thought about it. Are we sure he got any coaching at Notre Dame?

Brian Kelly has won a lot of games, but is there any evidence that he knows how to handle and develop a good quarterback? More than a few people insist that Kelly never wanted Kizer as his quarterback. He loved Malik Zaire and fully intended on him being starting him until Zaire was injured. Kizer took over, rallying the team to the win in his relief appearance. That started the hype machine and Kelly was never able to pull the plug.

What if Kizer’s problem was something really minor that his college coaches either weren’t aware of, didn’t know or to fix or didn’t care to fix? What if an NFL coach can fix his accuracy issues in training camp? If that’s the case, he’s absolutely worth the third pick of the draft because he has all the tools you look for.

I don’t think Kizer will ever be one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the league, but he can throw the ball down the field and make plays with his feet. As long as his accuracy is adequate, that should be enough for him to be a good NFL quarterback.

If there’s one thing we learned about Kizer last year, though, it’s that he isn’t going to put the team on his back. The talent around him wasn’t great last year, but a really great quarterback should get more than four wins at Notre Dame. They hadn’t been that bad since Jimmy Clausen was a freshman. If he couldn’t do it in college, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect him to be able to in the NFL.

While Kizer’s ceiling really has no limit, my reasonable NFL comparison for him is Joe Flacco. That isn’t sexy, I know, but the Ravens have won a lot of games with Flacco, including a Super Bowl. They just can’t rely on him to win by himself. When he’s had adequate coaching and a decent supporting cast, Flacco has been a good quarterback. When those things aren’t in place, he struggles. To me, that’s Kizer in a nutshell.

That may not sound like somebody worth the third overall pick, but good quarterbacks are hard to find. If the Bears think Kizer can start for them for the next decade, he’d be worth the third pick.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    So MANY Touted ND QBs have been NFL misses.

    The Hype for former Domer QBs has always been deafening.

    The line is long. From Huarte and Hanratty to Mirer, Quinn and Claussen.

    Ron Powlus was supposed to win multiple Heismans.

    Montana stands out as a an exception. Theismann & Buerlein too.

    Kizer was benched for time last season and looked over-matched against USC.

    Would you not take Darnold, right now, over Kizer?

    • King of DBB

      the Bears can get Kizer in the 2nd.

      Domer QBs – fuck them.

      • willbest

        I would rather take Mahomes at 36 than Kizer

        • T.dyon

          Mahomes will be gone before Bears pick in 2nd rd.

      • King of DBB

        Al wins the internet Blogger of Da Day award for name dropping Ron Powlus.

        Ron Powlus – the Ryan Leaf of his day.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Beano Cook annointed Powlus as a multiple Heisman winner before he even put on an ND uniform.

          Talk about a “kiss of death.”

          • MB30SD

            damn beano cook

      • antityco

        They can, but I hope that they don’t.

    • BerwynBomber

      Was Buerlein that good? Or did he merely start in the NFL for a year or two.

      I had forgotten about Powlus. Too funny. He, like Clausen, was hyped nationally even in his HS days.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Buerlein had a decent run, ESPECIALLY with the Cardinals.

        Then Buddy “You got a winner in town” Ryan took over and systematically took an excellent offense apart.

        Also threw 36 TDs for Carolina in 1999.

        Led the Cowboys to a playoff win in Soldier Field in 1991.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough. Hadn’t remembered all that.

          • AlbertInTucson

            As I recall, Buerlein didn’t have quite the usual amount of hype associated with as many other Domer QBs.

            Likewise, Montana lasted until the 3rd round and Theismann was a 4th round pick in 1971 and didn’t become a starter for years.

          • So draft Kizer in the 3rd = Montana.

            #logic!

          • AlbertInTucson

            BRILLIANT!

            Think he lasts that long?

          • No. Mostly because there’s a shit load of “compensatory” 3rd rd picks that some team like the Browns will easily use up for Kizer.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I remembered SOME of it and pro-Football Reference remembered the rest.

    • Tortured Bear fan

      don´t forget Rick Mirer and how much cost… meh!!

      • AlbertInTucson

        As far as I am concerned, the Mirer fiasco is right up there with the Cubs trading Lou Brock to the Cards for Ernie Broglio and the Hawks letting Bobby Hull walk to the WHA in the pantheon of Chicago sports debacles.

        • CanadaBear

          The only part of the Mirer trade that made it different was you knew the Bears would have totally screwed up the draft pick so it was almost a wash. Other than the embarrassment of your team’s incompetence. Pretty sure that was under Wanny and that was my personal low water mark as far as a hard core fan. I disliked Wanny so much it pretty much ruined it for me.

        • Tortured Bear fan

          yeah, it was awfull.

  • CanadaBear

    Gotta say I’ve never considered spending a high draft pick on a QB that needed fixing. I thought late rd picks were used for those “projects”.

    • willbest

      Agreed. Kizer seems like this years Connor Cook. All the chatter back in Nov of him being a #1 worthy pick only to crash the closer we get to draft day.

      • Connor fell due to “character” concerns. Ppl in the circles referred to him as “Hollywood” Cook.

        Unless you’re a fighter pilot, being nicknamed Hollywood prolly ain’t good.

  • King of DBB

    Hub likes to bash other mocks than his own, on the basis that “his mock is based on conversations with scouts and GMs and not his personal viewpoint” (like lesser mocks)

    I think Hub is getting played then, because here is his previous mock for PFW

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/draft/mock/hub-arkush/

    • King of DBB

      And Fishy Fish does this year’s mock, and has the Bears taking Adams

      http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/03/29/93a557a67e5e42168d442455d3a0e517/index.xml?page=1

      • MB30SD

        jes pleece

    • CanadaBear

      Hub kills me. He acts like he’s the last word on draft picks and the NFL and he’s no different than any of the other guys.

      • King of DBB

        I remember being on the Metra listening to the Score, and there is Hub just TRASHING Emery over picking Kyle Long when he did.

        Yet he liked the Kevin White pick. Alot.

        • CanadaBear

          Lots of people hated the Kyle Long pick. I had no idea other than the family pedigree. Fucking Emery! He goes the blind squirrel route on Kyle Long and hits.

          • Emery got lucky with Long (than again, he’s beginning to get the inj-prone tag).

            I wasn’t thrilled with the Long pick initially, I must admit, for a few reasons.

            1. An OG in the first? Positional value.
            2. Talk about a “1 yr wonder”. Long only played college football for like 2 yrs.
            3. He had some “character” issues in the past, in that, he drank.
            4. He came from that Duck O which isn’t exactly NFL style.
            5. He was an ‘old’ rookie (24 by season’s start).
            6. Other guys like Eifert, Trufant, Floyd, Ogletree were still available (not to mention Hopkins in retrospect).

            But, Long was definitely athletic, enough even that some projected him to LT, though that never really materialized.

            Bears have been drafting “athletes” in the 1st more often than not in the past few drafts (Shea, Long, White, Floyd).

          • Holy shite. What are the chances that TWO vikes suffer “career ending” knee injuries in back to back seasons? Floyd might be done.

            http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/30/report-sharrif-floyd-knee-injury-could-be-career-ending/

          • Irish Sweetness

            Honorary Irish citizenship awarded for perfect usage of Holy Shite.

      • BerwynBomber

        Draft experts like Kiper devote 12 months of year to culling info on a few hundred prospects. Guys like Hub devote a month or two to it and can talk semi-knowledgeably of 40 or so guys while bashing the Kipers of the world.

        Mocks are crapshoots, no matter who does them, experts included. It is the information on prospects that counts. Guys like Hub don’t provide much of that.

    • The most accurate mock is the final draft of Kiper, and much if it is based on what he hears.

      Kiper used to do two mocks. One of what SHOULD happen, and one of what GMs will likely do, which was nice. But apparently that confused dipshits too much, so now he just writes up the latter.

      The best mocks eventually might not even be by scouts, but by “insiders” like Rapport and Schefter.

  • BearDown100393
    • willbest

      I don’t think Pace is some kind of genius, but he deserves to have his HC get a 2nd year to properly evaluate him.

      • leftcoast dave

        I think Pace has done a very good job in FA and the Draft with the mid-term coming up in ONE MONTH!

        Let the countdown begin!

  • Redflagdan

    What’s all this talk about “finding a QB”. We got pencil neck, the next Matt Ryan…. I read that on the Internet so it must be true.

    • BerwynBomber

      Strawmen never get old …

  • willbest

    In other news, I have downgraded Iron Fist to awful

    • BearDown100393

      Why?

      • willbest

        Because it lacks any level of coherence, which would be okay if there was 45 minutes of ass beating and 15 minutes of trying to move the plot/develop characters in each episode. But its like 3 minutes of fighting, 57 minutes of farting around giving the viewer a lot of time to ponder why no character in the entire show is doing the obviously sensible thing.

        I keep gravitating back to this while watching the show as the only explanation.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This is Us is a series I’m just getting into. A bunch of people born on the same day, going back and forth from their childhoods. A bit like The Wonder Years for adults. Good stuff.

    • Began watching Gotham.

      Not bad. James Gordon is a bad ass and may be the real hero of Gotham like Batman always said.

      However, I can’t wait till Jada Pinkett dies a horrible death.

      She’s so annoying. Her being a cold stone mob boss is about as believable as Glennon winning Mr. Universe.

  • Tortured Bear fan

    I´m still confidence in Hooker and Butt. the best combination to this draft

    • MB30SD

      why would you go butt?!?! Howard would still have been the #1 TE in the draft even if Butt’s knee hadn’t exploded into a million pieces on the field in a meaningless bowl game a couple months ago.

      That and the dude’s name is Butt. smh.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        he likes to watch Butt play. HAHAHA!

      • King of DBB

        I heard Aaron Rodgers would like to throw a pass to Butt. Just to see how it feels.

        NTTAWWT.

        • MB30SD

          NTTAWWT

      • Tortured Bear fan

        Howard is light years, in my opinion, of being picked third, and I would roll the dices for Butt in second day. Hooker and Butt sounds a nice combination.

  • MB30SD

    always make sure to stretch before you mock draft guys!

    http://cdn2-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2017/03/3-30.gif

    • CanadaBear

      Unless she’s super short, I’m going to need a step stool!

      • MB30SD

        I would destroy that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          FYI: The British vernacular would be ‘ruin’ or ‘smash’. The violent tones are interesting. Irish variations would include “I’d lash the arse off that” … “I’d leave her arse like the Japanese Flag / a busted couch” etc.

          • MB30SD

            the last one made me lalz. Nice.

            Punish the cervix?
            I almost used smash or crush, pretty common. tear that up. etc…

    • King of DBB
      • MB30SD

        yes, most of the time.

        Sadly

  • MB30SD
  • King of DBB
    • Can a former Prez order his own secret service to take out the current pres?

      Hmmmmm….

      • MB30SD

        Give it a shot?

        (Get it?)

        • leftcoast dave

          He already did.

          • MB30SD

            Not reeeaaally

          • leftcoast dave

            Leaks coming out of where which was collected how? Them leaks get one prison time.

  • King of DBB

    Rocky theme from A-hole productions presents… Jamal – hustlin’ to his last breath

    https://youtu.be/QidaCaJwrDo?t=15

    • MB30SD

      Dude, that kid is such a baller.

      If we leave him up on that fucking board @ 3 for some fucking cuck, I will be so fucking piiiiissed.

  • King of DBB

    Peppers. LOL.

    ESPN guy asks him a question, he breaks out into his very own on-the-spot Youtube video. I’m shocked he didn’t n-bomb a few of his verses.

    Represent! Bringin as much Hype as Neon did back in the day.

    https://youtu.be/PTojK-Vxchk?t=5

  • Sahr Gborie

    If the Bears think Kizer can start for them for the next decade – Start for the next decade??? How about we find someone who can win for the next decade. Cutty was a starter and look where that got us!!!

    • King of DBB

      If Kizer is there in the 2nd, I can see Westworld taking a run at him.

      And, in that scenario, there is much less pressure to produce a starter and he can sit and compete with the Sanchize on the 2nd squad and come up slowly and the press will not bash Pace for letting it play out that way on a 2nd rounder.

      As much as I despise Domers in general, if our 1st.2nd rounds were Adams and Kizer, I would have to admit we were having a decent draft to that point. Kizer in January and even Feb mocks was a guy always going Top 8.

      Walter Football shows us leaving Kizer on the board in favor of a wideout, Zay Jones.

      https://walterfootball.com/draft2017_2.php

      • MB30SD

        JJ watts bro goes next… After a wr from fucking ecar…. No thanks.

        The only Zay I like is ze frank: https://youtu.be/_y4DbZivHCY

      • I wouldn’t even take Kizer at the top of the 3rd. Maybe trade back up for him later in the 3rd, if that.

        How is he any different than Kap aside from him being younger, inexperienced and slower.

  • He went from threading a needle to not being able to hit the ocean from a boat. It just doesn’t make sense. And then I thought about it. Are we sure he got any coaching at Notre Dame? – Andy

    You know who else is an athletic freak with erratic accuracy but with SB experience and better coaching history?

    Kap.

    For free.

    • MB30SD

      Coke and a smile

      • Tired of “upside” QBs with rocket arms but never played under center, in the huddle, or in a grown ass man system.

        To me, just draft a big QB with ‘good enough’ arm, accuracy, intangibles and who didn’t just throw slants and bubble screens.

        Just keep drafting those types outside the 1st and eventually one will turn into Romo, Dak, Wilson, Carr, Cousins (or jackpot Brady)

        • willbest

          You and I would get along beautifully in a draft war room.

          • MB30SD

            …Or an ‘all genders’ bar and gastropub?

          • Gastro. Indeed.

          • MB30SD

            Hey man, I don’t care what you like to fuck, as long as you’re happy… You get yours son!

          • Just makes sense to me.

            A team still gets to draft playmakers in the 1st without totally being married to the QB

            in the 2014 draft, we picked Ego in the 2nd.

            We could’ve drafted Jimmy G or traded up at the top of the 2nd and drafted Carr.

            Who would make more of a difference.

            Ego, or Jimmy G / Carr?

            And I wouldn’t draft a QB only one yr. Get a QB in the next draft outside the 1st, then see which of the two turn out.

            Whoever loses the gig becomes a backup with upside (as opposed to the Sanchizes of the NFL).

            Chances are eventually one will hit and the team will still be building through the 1st.

  • BearDown100393

    “No, it’s because our best athletes will NEVER play soccer. Ever.”

    Thank you Jesus.

    • I was thinking maybe the CBs and WRs could become some awesome soccer players, but they would simply start playing baseball or basketball.

      As for the bigger ones, watch out rubgy and hockey

  • leftcoast dave

    Fox on the S position:

    “The league has shifted toward passing quite a bit,” the Bears coach
    said this week at the NFL owners meetings. “I think largely because a
    lot of the rules of the game, for a long time, there has been more yards
    per pass than more yards per rush. Because of that, you don’t need in
    many cases a big, banger, box safety.”

    Now, tight ends are more specialized pass-catchers. More offenses employ empty backfields.

    “So you have to be more corner-like to play safety,” Fox said. “As far
    as cover ability, range, defending passes way more than runs.”

    Quintin Demps, had six interceptions for the Texans last year, and previously played FS. Deondre Hall was chosen to become a FS because of his length and coverage skills. Call me crazy, but I do not see a Safety drafted in the first three picks.

    If no trade down, DL. If trade down happens, OT and LB are one and two, not necessarily in that order.

    • Fox is 100% correct and why I would gamble on Hooker over Adams 9/10 times. The days of the big shoulder padded SS enforcing the middle is over. This might as well be ole timey ppl churning butter.

      If a safety’s helmet so much as grazes the WR’s helmet, it’s a 15 yd penalty.

      So get yourself a a fundamentally sound SS who can selectively bang (Demps?) and isn’t a liability in coverage (like Amos).

      And get yourself a ball-hawking FS who won’t get toasted when Vadgers extends the play and hits Jordy over the top.

      It’s all about beating the Puke, and last time I checked, they have a WR at HB, so pass rush + coverage is a must.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But if TEs are more in vogue now, you need a big SS.

        • leftcoast dave

          You need an SS better able in cover, not a big hitter.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s what I mean, a long SS, not a ‘big’ one.

            A 5’10 safety just can’t cover a 6’5 TE.

        • Which TEs in our division are tearing it up?
          We no longer run the cover-2 where any TE can run up the seam for an easy catch.

          TEs not named Gronk or Jordan Reed are rather easy to scheme against.

          Just get a LB to jam the fuck out of them at the line, then let him release to the secondary where Hooker can cover him like white on rice if a QB dares to test him.

          Shit, Floyd looks like he can cover and he’s 6’6. Maybe let him with his condor span box out TEs.

          • leftcoast dave

            Quintin Demps. Solid SS who was also a solid FS with cover skills. Perfect FA selection while the youngsters drafted last year learn the position(s). Sure, add another two (one S, one CB) in the fourth or fifth. They are deep this year.

          • I agree. Demps can cover (and the AFCS has better TEs than the NFCN). Demps was a really underrated signing.

            Think he’ll earn the Hicks FA gold-star

        • SC Dave

          In that case, get the 6’4″ guy.

    • MB30SD

      Man, you’re pimpin that LB first stuff like projects corner crack.

      Shit ain’t gonna happen to.

      If it ain’t Adams or hooker, it’ll be the best available DL… Hopefully thomas

      • leftcoast dave

        Yes, LB because that is da Bears heart and soul and D Tre is now questionable. That position was addressed last year in FA and with Kwit. Ignored in FA this year why?

        OT more so. After Floyd, number one target was Whitehair. What does that tell you? New QB? Not much in FA? OT is the number one target in the draft imho.

        Safety has been addressed. Will not (I will be shocked if I am wrong) be in the top three draft picks.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Neither Freeman nor Trevathan is Brian/Samurai/Butkus etc. We need a talisman in there at Mike.

          I agree with you on safety. He’s said they’re moving HAll to S. They signed Demps.

          OT is definitely on his radar. Most likely in 2 or 3.

          • Purely on talent, Foster is a blue-chipper. I remember you had a hard-on for Ragland who I nicknamed RoboRag cuz he was so stiff, but Foster is a true 3 down backer.

            The thing is Freeman is the leader of that group next 2 seasons, and gotta find out if Tre or Kwiak are done or not.

          • leftcoast dave

            Yep. And why to draft at the top two.

          • SC Dave

            I remain hopeful Kwiat will become solid. Nothing spectacular, but competent.

        • MB30SD

          I’ll be shocked if it isn’t

          • leftcoast dave

            zzzzzzzttttt.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I don’t think they’ll draft a safety either. And certainly not at #3.

      • willbest

        If it goes Garrett, Thomas, I can see them drafting a safety

        • leftcoast dave

          Why? BPA? No. Better than Allen, Fournette, Foster, Robinson, Bolles or Ramczyk?

          I don’t think so.

          • willbest

            You just listed a bunch of people I don’t consider difference makers.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Allen next to Floyd is not a difference maker?
            Fournette and Howard in the same backfield is not a difference maker?
            Foster and Freeman/Trevathan is not a difference maker?

          • willbest

            The same Allen that disappeared in the title game?

            Fournette? Have you watched football the last 15 odd years? When has a top 5 back been the key to victory let alone rostering 2? And why would you make any player who has never taken an NFL snap the 3rd highest paid at his position, with the most guarantees given any RB? If you draft Fournette at 3, and he isn’t Adrian Peterson, its a busted pick.

            Foster? meh. Could be great, but you generally don’t have a rotation at ILB. Freeman is a lock, so you are bringing him in to compete against Trevathan and that Nick guy? plus he is still going to be there at 10 or 12. You don’t take him at 3.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fournette looks to be better than AP. more momentum.

          • willbest

            I am saying if he is not AP, not only did you piss away the pick, you put your team in a competitive disadvantage financially. The risk in drafting Fournette is MASSIVE. You draft Thomas and he doesn’t pan out you paid him low end starter money. You draft Trubisky and he doesn’t pan out, you pay him high end backup money. An RB?

            Look at it this way. Howard is going to make like $550k this year. Is Fournette, $5.5 million dollars a year better than Howard?

          • leftcoast dave

            And after torching all the straw men, what Safety is a “difference maker” who should be drafted at number 3 ahead of all of the other options, especially in my mind OTs?

          • willbest

            Are you convinced your Tackle will even start over Leno/Massie?

          • leftcoast dave

            Why did Pace fix the ILB’s last year in FA? So he could pick Floyd and Whitehair one and two and spend one of three 4ths on another ILB, what number 4, 5 or 6? Why did he spend in FA on CBs, WRs and a S in FA? So he didn’t need to rely upon a top draft pick at any of those three positions and could draft one later while drafting an OT and ILB at the top of the draft.

            Yes, he will get who he believes will be a potential starter day one at OT but if not, will be there next year and for another ten years, just like Whitehair, the number two focus he had in the draft.

            Pace knows how to build a team and Dallas is a perfect example of giving Dak and Zeke an O line to play behind so that they could do what they did. Put those two behind a crap line and what would they have done? Crap out. The middle three are now solid. Pace will not stop there. You need to build the foundation first.

          • MB30SD

            Adams from ALL accounts AND every tape I’ve watched. Like a right now, day 1 HUGE difference maker for our dbackfield who hasn’t had a difference maker in 10+ years maings. Like, I’m fucking super convinced he is… tape don’t lie man. JUMPS off the tape.

            I think hooker can too if he makes the leap. One year, SEVEN (7!!!!!!) INTs, 3 ran back for TDs. his first full year starting… playing against the best teams in the nation.

            IF he makes the leap and his injuries don’t play… he’s a fucking 10 year franchise difference maker talent.

          • The thing with Hooker is that he will put the fear of god into QBs.

            They’re gonna be thinking the same thing “Int machine, who, oh yeah, can run it back for 6″.

            That”ll make those douche nozzle Vadgers and Lesbo think twice about just chucking it deep without reservation.

            RBs may fear a hammer SS, but QBs fear a ball-hawkings FS

          • MB30SD

            I’m in on adams or him and will be equally happy with either.

            Watch that adams highlight tape yo, he had 3 INTs int he deep 3rd maings. He’s got wheels and can make the jump dude.

          • CanadaBear

            The weird thing is every time he intercepts a pass he falls down on the run back.

          • MB30SD

            Small concession

          • BerwynBomber

            Landon Collins and Earl Thomas don’t put the fear of God into Rodgers. I would be surprised if Hooker could do it.

            Actually, Stafford’s pretty fearless too, but he’s fearless like Cutty — too often in a bad decision sort of way.

          • leftcoast dave

            If the dog didn’t stop to pee on the tree, he would have caught the rabbit.

            Lots of Safeties available. Not so many OTs or LBs, either of whom will make a greater impact for many more years to come.

          • MB30SD

            uuuummmm… I ain’t got no dog in this hunt??

          • leftcoast dave

            No, just a safety “IF he makes the leap and if his injuries don’t play. . . ”

            Pace done great in FA there and now we already have plenty of “woulda, coulda’s” to cut. He spent the money on dbacks and wrs for a reason. Think Kevin White. No top picks being wasted this year at either position.

          • MB30SD

            well see. I think you’re cray. I think we take a safety in 1 AND 4 if one’s there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is Fournette, $5.5 million dollars a year better than Howard?

            That is a good way of looking at it. But I don’t think about money in football, because the money to do it is there. I think end-product. Great backfield. The fairness of it? Not so much.

            But how would Fournette “not pan out”? Injury is in the hands of the Gods. Size and speed is already there. Maybe he doesn’t have AP moves, but he doesn’t really need them.

            Anyway, he’s just my fancy. But yes, we do need a pass-rusher/D-lineman more.

          • MB30SD

            dude, stop this… right now. You just hemorrhaged credibility.

          • Irish Sweetness

            F=MA

          • CanadaBear

            He said Fournette will be better than Walter a couple of threads ago.

          • MB30SD

            I know, I know… I just cain’t no mo

          • MB30SD

            have to agree.

          • leftcoast dave

            Tre is HURT. Patellar tendon is worse than an acl. Will be on IR at the start of the season. Then who is there?

            Time to build the competition. Don’t hurt the special teams either.

          • SC Dave

            Trevathan is done

          • willbest

            Maybe, I still don’t want to spend #3 on Foster though. If we want Foster, we should trade back even if it means just getting a 4th to move back 4-5 spots.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wow. Fournette’s not a difference maker? A guy that big and that fast? He’s been compared to Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson.

          • MB30SD

            so was richardson

          • willbest

            And Gurley. Gurley even looked the part. Then be broke down.

          • Scharfinator

            Dunno if he’s broken so much as his team is trash so everyone stacks the box.

          • Irish Sweetness

            At 5’9?

          • MB30SD

            he was a beast

          • leftcoast dave

            And you have a S in mind who will be more valuable to the team than any of the above?

          • willbest

            either safety will have a greater WAR

  • BuddhaJoe

    Umm, that sounds like a guy we just cut. Why?

  • Irish Sweetness

    So Watson is the winner of the bunch. He’s already been doing it.

    Mitch is the guy with the accuracy and great release, who will be a good QB in a few years, like Watson.

    Kizer is the guy they reckon has the highest upside, but you’re beguiled by the word ‘potential’. Everyone born has potential.

    Trubs is probably the safest bet for a starter down the line.

    And Mr. Pace appears not be drafting any of them. I’m sticking with him drafting Webb in the second.

    • leftcoast dave

      I don’t see da Bears drafting a QB until after an OT, LB, DE, WR or CB. Maybe their sixth pick, wherever that falls, given the trade down options.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        if the Bears are determined to draft a QB it will happen by the 3rd round, otherwise it is just a wasted pick.

        • Sahr Gborie

          depends on who is left. iv seen a few people talk about some small school guy i have never heard of or bothered to pay attention to. maybe he finds a diamond in the ruff

          • willbest

            Small school guys are training camp feel good stories.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yah, if he’s drafting a QB in the 6th .. .fuck that.

          • leftcoast dave

            C. J. Beathard. Best option available. Back to the days of Hairball, I mean Harbaugh. Big Ten, pro set run first offense with experience and the ability to protect the ball. Ok, someone wants to quote stats? Yea, he was hamstrung in the last bowl game and kept going out and threw three picks. Don’t count them against an otherwise stellar record.

            Why waste a pick sooner than the 5th?

        • Ososfan

          This.

    • Bender McLugh

      If any qb please be Watson. Or its a crap shoot

  • Irish Sweetness

    OJ Howard is coming to meet the Bears. Trade-down, and Pace nabs Howard ?

    • MB30SD

      only if thomas, adams AND hooker are all off the board. If so, I’d be ok with it I guess.

      • Bender McLugh

        Guess

        • MB30SD

          if it gets us another late 1 or early 2 and a late 3 or early 4… might be worth it.

          We could still get budda or the 6’4″ kid

      • Irish Sweetness

        Pace trades down no matter who’s on the board. I think that’s his hope.

        • MB30SD

          sure, all you need is someone willing to give you what you want.

          seems so simple, right?

          • Irish Sweetness

            If it’s ever going to happen to us, it’ll happen at 3. I’m not buying that there’s no interest in QBs.

          • MB30SD

            let’s hope so

          • Sahr Gborie

            teams are playing their cards close to the vest. every team wants a qb even if they dont need one. trade value is a good reason. look at the patriots.

          • Ososfan

            Haha

    • leftcoast dave

      I think TE is fixed for now and so deep you can get a good youngster late.

      But yea, after the trade down, ANYTHING BUT A SAFETY!!!!!

  • Bender McLugh

    Gary Clark, Jr. on Fallon 3-21-2017, excellent. He’s a rare talent

    https://youtu.be/l800D_vSnB4

    • MB30SD

      good shit… he kinda looks like a skinny briggsy

      dude, listening to more of him, he’s pretty unreal maings, thanks for the intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYXMDCNjl8M

    • CanadaBear

      He’s really talented. He doesn’t perform regularly and his asking price is steep. The guy who picks the bands for our Festival told me a funny story about a month ago. He was at a gathering of musicians, promoters, etc and a couple of the promoters of bigger festivals were discussing Gary Clark Jr. because he played at both of their festivals. One asked the other what he paid him, the promoter says $30k. He then asked the other promoter the same question, long pause, sigh, $100k. That’s the music game! OUCH!

      • Bender McLugh

        that’s awesome

  • willbest

    For you Fournette lovers. How to envision that offense? Lets say we go run heavy and the RBs carry the rock 30 times, and get 7 more targets.

    You spending #3 on a guy for 18 carries and 5 targets?

    • MB30SD

      100%… that said, dude is a man playing football with boys. yeeesh.

      • Bender McLugh

        The new swole

    • Irish Sweetness

      To secure our backfield for 7 or 8 years? Why not?

      I’m handing the ball to Leonard a lot in that scenario. No need to share 50/50. Leonard is the man. Jordan has no top end speed. Fournette’s the breakaway guy. Jordan is the change of pace breather for Leonard. Jordan is the injury insurance and changeup back.

      He’s one of the few guaranteed-good draft picks. Chance-in-a-decade for us.

      Where it gets interesting is when they share the actual backfield, like Marcus blocking for Bo.

      • MB30SD

        unless he pulls a richardson, gurley, monte ball.

        BBUUUUSTS!

        NEVER take a RB in the top 5

        • Johnnywad

          And then plan to have two of them secure the position for 8 years.

      • leftcoast dave

        I love Fournette up there too. But I love him more if the Panthers pay enough to trade up for him! Maybe even after the Jets trade up from the 6 to get Trubisky.

      • Irish, are the 80s finally hitting Thailand?

        • MB30SD

          hahaha

        • Irish Sweetness

          Got us a super bowl :o)

      • CanadaBear

        Great idea. The Bears get a RB that averages over 5 yds/carry and you want to make him a backup.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Share the load. Extend their careers, keep them healthy. But yeah, when you think of it, a 5.2 avg leads the league, and Zeke is second with 5.0 … it would be nice. You get a nice pick for Howard if you trade him too.

          First two rookies to lead the league in rushing.

      • Ososfan

        Will he be ALL-pro and maybe HOF? I wouldn’t take him that early, no, not on this squad, at least…

  • Bender McLugh

    And fuck some Kizer. Seriously people come on now. Isn’t buttfumble enough?

  • MB30SD

    OMG guys!!!!

    I just saw the commercial for the The Promise!!!

    OMGG!!!! I can’t WAIT….

    ….to fucking miss that!!

  • Bender McLugh
  • leftcoast dave

    Fun thoughts on the trade down.

    http://cover32.com/2017/03/30/andrew-links-bears-mock-draft/

    “For this particular mock draft, I utilized
    the Fanspeak Premium edition so that I could introduce trades into the
    equation. While the program itself offers a bevy of trade proposals, I
    stuck with just the single trade for this mock. I had Ryan Pace trading
    the No. 3 overall pick to the Jets, for the No. 6 overall and No. 39
    overall (second-round pick).

    The word is that the Jets really love Mitch Trubisky and he is
    sitting there at No. 3 in this scenario. I realistically believe that
    the Bears could have also gotten the No. 107 pick (third-round
    compensatory pick) in the deal. Perhaps the Bears would need to toss in
    their seventh-rounder or a 2018 sixth-round pick as well, to even out
    the value. Fanspeak declined this proposal, so I went with picking up a
    high second-rounder to move back three spots in the first round.”

    Ok, blah, blah, blah.

    But the “hope” is take that trade for a second and a fourth (don’t get greedy), do it again for a lower second or third plus fourth and again for another third or some fourths. End up with a first out of the top 20, five or six two/threes and three to five fourths to trade your twos or threes up (or get more going down). Even if that is over optimistic, you get at least seven plus picks in the high fourth or better, likely as many as five in the first three rounds. That will get you at least three top picks including an OT and ILB.

    Pace did it last year in the second after paying whatever to get Floyd. There are no similar top needs going out that high this year unless it is Garret who will not drop to the 3 pick. Thus, the game is on and Pace knows how to play it.

    Did anyone draft better last year?

    • MB30SD

      If we pick that cuck allen first I’ll be pissed. That said, I don’t mind the rest of that draft… except Butt. Why the fuck would we take a dude with only 1 knee?

      • leftcoast dave

        I agree. But I think all the picks are all lame. Its the trade down strategy I agree with. Two or three good trades down and the first three will fetch three great players at OT, LB and D line. Thereafter, lots of options still in the second, third and fourth.

        • Big Mike

          Take the best player at 3. Bears have enough guys. We need studs.

          • MB30SD

            Jes Mike, jeeees

          • Big Mike

            I’m just saying words. I think Pace is going to kill it. I’m happy with the best guy at 3 or trading back to 6 and picking up an early round pick. 2nd or 3rd? Maybe throw in a late pick to get the 2nd rounder. I don’t know. Should be fun.

          • leftcoast dave

            Did anybody do better than Pace last draft? Matched biggest need with talent available on both sides of the ball to take Floyd first, Whitehair second. Even Kipper says he knocked it out of the park.

          • Big Mike

            Preach! I know. That’s why I’m not all worried about dropping back, who we take, getting more picks whatever. Trusting young blood to come through again.

          • leftcoast dave

            Been different articles on the scenario, the first down three to the Jets to get Trubinski for a 2 and a 4, then down a few more for the Panthers to get Fournette which brings another 2. Only problem, and it’s a big problem, is that there are others ready to offer up them top picks as well.

          • Big Mike

            Good summary. Need to be prepared for all the combinations and strike quick. Best case a bidding war for 3. But maybe there’s a guy in there that Pace loves. Or maybe there are 4 guys there that he loves and dropping back to 6 is a zero risk game. It’s always fun to watch.

          • willbest

            The Dallas cowboys won the 2016 draft, and its not even close.

            Dak was an autowin even if the rest was shit. But they got Zeke, and Malik Collins put in 5 sacks as a rookie 3rd rounder. It doesn’t even matter than their 2nd and 4th rounders were fliers that haven’t hit the field yet. They also got a decent CB prospect in the 6th in Anthony Brown

          • leftcoast dave

            Would Dak have made it on the Browns?

            Can’t argue with success, but it happened because of the Big D’s O line. Why I believe that after Whitehair last year, Pace will go OT this year near the top of his list.

          • willbest

            Would Brady have made it on the Browns?

            A great o-line buys the QB time, which can take a lot of pressure off him, but he still has to read the D and make the throws. And it goes both ways. A great QB/RB can make a line look good too. Rising tide lifts all boats.

          • BearDown100393

            Brady was spawn hatched directly from Belichick. Without Belichick there is no Brady. Without Brady, there is no Belichick.

          • willbest

            He won a game with a healthy QB3. Belichick might not be GOAT without Brady, but he would have won one of those early SBs with any number of above average QBs.

          • I don’t know if Bill wins more than 1 SB without Brady.

            Lots of those SBs were close, (to say nothing of the playoff games leading to them like that infamous Raider ‘brady rule” game).

            Without Brady I suspect Bill is just a tad higher than Pete Carroll.

          • BearDown100393

            Belichick is always Belichick of course. However Brady with Belichick admittedly makes Belichick even more Belichick.

          • BearDown100393

            He’d be backing up Manziel in Saskatchewan.

          • Ososfan

            And if Jaylon Smith is healthy= SCARY GOOD DRAFT!

          • Floyd, Whitehair and Howard looking like good bets. Time will tell though.

          • Ososfan

            Hall and Bullard might surprise this year too.. and the GOAT, Braverman. Haha

          • SC Dave

            Exactly why we should have signed Alshon. But that’s water under the bridge now. Maybe, just maybe, White won’t suck. But I’m not holding my breath on that one!

          • Big Mike

            Exactly. He must have really wanted out/Pace Fox really didn’t want him. Because he took a 1 year deal. If white’s 90% as good as we thought he was going to be when we took him, + Meredith, + the winners from all the other guys we brought in, our WR group might be OK

          • willbest

            That is a lots of conditions.

          • Big Mike

            That’s all you have in the off season. Or White could be damaged, Meredith was a flash in the pan the guys they brought in are no better than what we had last year. Who knows.

          • Ososfan

            Ouch, Mike… Ouch..

          • Bender McLugh

            I’d like to see a good TE drafted too, have three options there with Miller & new guy.

          • Big Mike

            I’ve read there’s nice depth at TE this year. Maybe one of the top guys is still there in third round. My forecast is a DB in rd 1, a QB in round 2 and RD 3 a TE.

          • Bender McLugh

            Hopefully a stud OT is around in the 2nd, or stud CB. TE could be in the 4th

          • Ososfan

            We desperately need one, I think…

          • Bender McLugh

            No avoiding it

          • It was a curious WR market this off-season (which Pace judged correctly).

            The top two WRs in Alshon and Pryor both settled for 1yr prove it deals. It’s unprecedented.

            I believe the market has corrected. WRs going forward may find it harder to get paid because college is now producing more NFL ready WRs for cheaper.

            The top dogs will still get theirs (Julio, Brown, etc) but those lowere tiers may find a soft market going forward with GMs preferring cheap college WRs.

            However, could also be that it just so happened that both Alshon and Pryor came with some “character” concerns.

    • Johnnywad

      If you tell me the reward for going 3-13 is an extra second and possibly an additional fourth, I’m not interested.

      The pain of a season that bad can only be soothed by picking directly behind the Browns and Niners who will undoubtedly do something stupid.

      Trading back 3,6, or 10 spots back in the first, to take an additional swing with the 45th pick in the draft and again with a 4th rounder sucks.

      Unless some team is willing to go full Rams on us and give us the keys to the kingdom, we need to just take the best player in football that will likely be available after the two aforementioned teams shit down their legs.

      • Bender McLugh

        “The pain of a season that bad can only be soothed by picking directly behind the Browns and Niners who will undoubtedly do something stupid.”

        BOOM! absolutely

      • MB30SD

        So down with this. LCD is pimpin the trade down haaaaardt.

        Fuck dat, take Adams hooker or Thomas and move on.

      • It’s all about tiers, and a lot of 2nd rounders this yr are really 1st rd material, esp in the secondary and TE.

        Here’s the tiers as I see them.

        1. Garrett (in his own tier)
        2. Allen, Thomas, Hooker, Adams, Lattimore, Fournette, Foster, Howard.
        3. LOTS of players that hypothetically extend to the top of the 3rd rd.

        Let’s say this.

        1.Garrett
        2. Allen
        3 Jets trade up with Bears presumably for Trubisky
        4. Fournette
        5. Lattimore
        6. Bears still have pick of Hooker and Adams. But let’s say worst case scenario and both safeties are gone, Thomas still on the board.

        In other words, at #6, high probability of still drafting Hooker/Adams/Thomas who most want anyways, but now Bears have an additional 2nd (which is really a 1st).

        So let’s say Bears draft Thomas at #6, then they can draft both a starting S and CB in the 2nd.

        Not shabby.

        Anything beyond #6 will get dicey though. If Bears don’t mind “settling” for Foster, Howard or CB like Humphry or OT like Robinson, then can still trade down to around #10, but I’d prefer to stay with that 2nd tier that matches our needs (S, CB, rush).

      • Ososfan

        Let’s pray they do, these aren’t you’re usual browns anymore..and 49’rs hopefully go O first

  • MB30SD
  • King of DBB
    • Irish Sweetness

      All I saw was whiffed blocks. Iread the knock on him is working his way down the line.If we go lineman, then Malik McDowell is the only guy that looks like Julius Peppers, and he can be had lower in the first.

      • Johnnywad

        Blocks don’t whiff themselves

      • King of DBB

        The NFL Draft report admits he got a lot of single team because he was on Bama. That perhaps he will not be well suited or could hold up against routine double teams in the NFL.

        That said the comp that seems to be bandied about most often is Gerald McCoy.

        I do have an issue with the arthritic shoulders, but he appears to have big upside. I also like Taco Charlton, but he could perhaps be had in the 2nd round (if the big 3 QBs all get picked in 1)

      • Malik McDowell looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.

        Only way he’s like Pepper’s is his questionable desire and motor.

        • Ososfan

          Fangio would help him as well as Fox those guys can motivate most players…..

          • Fangio couldn’t motivate Fuller to even suit up.
            And Fox apparently couldn’t motivate Alshon enough for Pace.

            Bears need self-motivated dudes who will lead workouts and study film whenever possible.

            That’s the one thing I loved about Bmarsh. He ran his off-season regimen like a true leader. Didn’t see Alshon take the other WRs under his wings like that.

    • There’s a lot of scouts who really believe Allen was the best player in college last year and should’ve won the Heisman.

      The stats are undeniable. 21 sacks in past two seasons from the interior is nothing to pass over.

      But like you point out, how much of that is because of single blocking? or the rest of the talent?

      Allen’s combine was important because it would show GMs that he has measurables to pair with stats, but that didn’t happen. Allen’s combine was meh. 6’3 280ish. Not long (important for 3-4 DE). Nothing jumped off.

      His game though is foot quickness and hand usage, which really can’t be measured.

      Playing on the line is a lot like jiu-jitusu. If you can shoot in and disengage quickly, that goes a long way.

      But Allen is not a top tier athlete, has some “tweener” size, and oh yeah, those shoulders.

      But 21 sacks in two seasons?…be interesting to see where he goes. If he falls I suspect the medicals didn’t go as well, but wouldn’t be surprised if the 9ers swoop him up either.

      • MB30SD

        I hope they do.

        Fuck could you imagine if the browns went all browns and took watson, then the 9ers go all 9ers and take allen…

        oh well heeeeroooo mr. garrett!

        That ain’t gonna happen, but would be fun.

        btw, here are some draft ‘experts’ picking all over the fucking board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/mock-drafts

        • Allen just doesn’t jump off tape like Aaron Donald.
          I went back and their draft profiles and checked out their combine stats.

          Anytime a player has blue stars at the top, that’s good news.

          Donald

          http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aaron-donald?id=2543485

          Allen.

          http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jonathan-allen?id=2557844

          Nawrocki (who used to scout for Hub and PFW) nailed it with Donald.

          Allen is not as “twitchy” but he is a bit bigger which is why some project him as a 3-4 end, but I just don’t see him dominating. Sometimes it looks like Allen is just throwing out the garbage as opposed to causing mayhem.

          • MB30SD

            yep, totally agree with that assessment. I think Thomas is the Aaron donald of this draft

        • Ososfan

          Heeerrrroooo indeed

    • Ososfan

      Lots of guys saying that… Hmmm

  • Irish Sweetness

    Sorry.

    • MB30SD

      I would 100% watch that.

  • Irish Sweetness

    No really, I am.

    • MB30SD

      Meh

  • MB30SD

    Just looked at 4 player rankings… Walter, cbs, ESPN, can’t remember the last. Jamal Adams in top 5 in all of them. He was #3 on cbs’s I think.

    So LCD, bpa would see us getting Thomas, Adams, hooker or Allen in pretty much all of them if there is no blockbuster trade down scenario offered.

    You take the money and run with Thomas or Adams (or hooker) if you’re not offered a ransom my man. Period.

    • leftcoast dave

      27 days?

      • MB30SD

        Something like that

    • Irish Sweetness

      It appears as though the only way he could fuck it up is by drafting Allen.

      • MB30SD

        Appears so

  • MB30SD

    daaaaammmmnnnn!!!

    Wendy’s just fucking McyDs UP!

    http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1241005-wendys-just-started-brutal-war-mcdonalds-fresh-beef

    that said, wendy’s is turrible.

    • willbest

      This is what happens when you turn your corporate account over to a 22 year old.

      And I agree. I used to love the spicy chicken there, but it doesn’t taste like it used to. At least McD’s has that crack masquerading as a potato.

      • MB30SD

        hilarious actually and it was all over the radio and news today… like erra station I turned to.

        so MASSIVE amounts of totally free advertising that would otherwise have cost millions and would have sounded like… well… advertising. So a huge win for them. I’d give that 22yr old a big ass bonus today, but that’s just me.

        I don’t eat any of that shit, although their fries are indeed crack.

        If I’m doing a terrible cheat meal, it’s going to be a CAB seco and 5 rolled tacos with just guac, cheese, and shredded lettuce on top.

        • Irish Sweetness

          What’s a CAB Seco ??

          • MB30SD

            Carne asada burrito no juice, add only guac

            Seco means dry in Spanish

    • King of DBB
  • MB30SD

    Irish playing rugby: http://cdn2-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2017/03/funny3-7.jpg

    (he’s the bottom one)

    • Tortured Bear fan

      hahaha

    • Sweaty pasty mid-management balls to the face

      (NTTAWWT)

      • MB30SD

        your fav!

    • Irish Sweetness

      COMPETIN”!

  • King of DBB

    Floyd, for all his issues – showed flashes of who he could be with more NFL training and strength.

    The next picks down, like Shaq Lawson and Vernon Butler – were not nearly the impact players that Floyd could be.

    • beninnorcal

      I thought he had a nice rookie season too.

    • beninnorcal

      My favorite sack of his was that safety late against the niners. Style points on the play for tossing Gabbert into the endzone while keeping his own balance and looking like a badass.

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    • I’m cautiously optimistic.

      I still don’t know of any 6’6 230 edge guys who don’t get trucked (see Mingo, Dion Jordon)n but he got his sea-legs after a few games.

      I think the play that impressed me most wasn’t even a sack. It was when he was rushing in like a madman, then quickly realized it was a screen, peeled out, and pursued from behind.

      That showed that he wasn’t just athletic, but “aware”.

    • MB30SD

      the concussions are VERY worrisome

      • I remember seeing Kuechly crying after a concussion.
        Everyone at the time including announcers thought he tore something, but it turned out that it was a concussion, and the scarier part was that Kueckly didn’t even remember crying.

        That’s nuts.

        • MB30SD

          really scary shit. Read the GQ article I linked to last thread about the HS football player? Google it. Scary scary stuff maings.

          • After reading a neuroscience book about cognition and emotions, my one big take away was that LOTS of ppl are walking around brain damaged.

            But the alarming part was that we don’t walk around with signs “brain damaged”. Many brain damaged ppl can actually function and become “successful” but nevertheless they have extreme mood swings, lack empathy, find decision making and memory difficult more and more.

            Brain dmg can be severe but also sublte. Duerson is a perfect example of how he changed from an amiable bad ass leader to a depressive loser asshole.

            The book actually begins with the first case of how brain damage can change personality.

            The first case studied was a railroad worker who had a rod shoot through the bottom jaw and up his brain and through the skull.

            Miraculously, it didn’t kill or paralyze the railroad worker, and he actually walked into town with a rod through his skull.

            The doctor took it out. He healed.

            But suddenly, the guy wasn’t the same. Before the accident he was viewed as an ambitious up-and-comer who everyone liked. But after the accident, He began cussing when he never cussed before. He was easy to anger. He began drinking and wasting his $ on hookers and such. He lost most of his friends.

            Sound familiar?

            The rod went through the frontal lobe which is the same very area that football players bang on a daily basis for years.

            Makes one wonder what “really” makes a person a person, and how many ppl are probably brain damaged without any diagnosis (Was Haley really just an asshole, or did he pee into teamates cars cuz he was literally brain damaged?)

          • MB30SD

            Good old Phineas Gage.

            I took a ton of psych (and sociology and anthropology) classes for undergrad because they fascinated me. Human psychology/physiology is so fragile.

            oh and since you were so rude as to not link to the story/case for everyone else’ edification, I will: https://www.damninteresting.com/phineas-gages-brain-injury/

            Philistine!

          • SC Dave

            I love that website.

          • Was gonna link it, but I read it off a book. Actually, one of the commenters on there referred to it “Descartes’ Error”

            I thought I read that he still had the rod stuck in his skull, but maybe that was just a story.

            I do remember the cursing though. Seemed like an odd detail, like something seemingly as trivial as cursing hardwired?

            Makes one wonder what else is.

            The specific argument in that book is that reason isn’t some abstract function devoid from emotions, and that in fact, “reason” would not exist without emotions.

            According to him (and modern neuroscience), the west has inherited an awful topology – that reason must somehow control wild random emotions – like a Vulcan or a warrior taming a wild stallion.

            But really it’s the stallion that leads the warrior, and not the other way around according to his study.

            He changes , “I think, and therefore, I exist” to “I feel, and therefore I can think, and thus, exist”

            It’s a bit more indepth than that, but it’s rather revolutionary in how we understand reason, emotions, and ourselves in the world.

            The implications could be that free-will truly is an illusion, that we’re simply puppets of neurons firing, just as ole Phineas had no say in essentially transforming into an asshole.

          • MB30SD

            We are still animals my maings… Underneath all of these splendid rags… Used to cover up all of the fangs and claws.

          • willbest

            An iphone is simple compared to your brain, and it doesn’t last 5 years. Its unsurprising that most people aren’t firing on all cylinders.

          • DaMurph

            He was just an asshole

          • Ososfan

            In a sense, yea. Kinda..

          • Ososfan

            I wonder too man, because I could relate with some of things he was going through man, kinda scary.

          • BearDown100393

            A bunch of them in Washington.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Word.

            I never got concussed playing football, but I’ve banged that skull hard and many times. I have short term memory problems, and my decision-making is fucked. Learning about CTE opened my eyes, and it’s some scary shit, because there’s nothing you can do.

          • Ososfan

            Really is sad man, I hope I don’t have any problems in the future either…

          • Irish Sweetness

            He may just be out there. He’s too young for CTE. He hasn’t had a career of it. Sounded like a dumb, troubled kid.

          • MB30SD

            Naaaahhhhh

        • Ososfan

          Scary indeed, I thought he was crying because they were going to shut him down for a while this coming season because of the many concussions….. :/

  • King of DBB

    It’s hard to imagine Aaron Rodgers posting a picture like this

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BSMAbIpjmDV/?taken-by=kristincavallari&hl=en

    • SC Dave

      ‘pose it’s a restrained “kiss my ass” picture?

    • Irish Sweetness

      She had that uploaded before he knew she was doing it. I hope.

  • King of DBB

    The hot dog vendor and south sider parody, Mike North, hates on Jay

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170331/sports/170339804/

    • BearDown100393

      Because when you become an expert at boiling hotdogs, you also know everything about quarterbacks.

      • DaMurph

        You dont boil them, you steam them! Damnnnnn!

        • MB30SD

          and heap on the glorious ketchup.

          mmmmmm, delicious!

          • DaMurph

            You and that fucking ketchup!

          • MB30SD

            mmmmmmmm… ketchuuuuup!

        • Ososfan

          Sometimes, they don’t appreciate your genius around here Murph.

    • “Interpret [Cutler’s ass vacationing in Mexico] any way you want, but my reaction pretty much followed my initial feelings about him when he first came to play in Chicago: I got
      mine and that’s all I really care about.”

      So see, he does care!

      “Cutler was the reason, I believe, that several Bears stars such as
      Martellus Bennett and Brandon Marshall wanted out, and if you don’t
      think so, then you haven’t been paying attention.”

      Both Bennett and Marshall always wear out their welcomes, so take their trashing of Jay with a grain of salt; however, when Cutler first came over there were rumblings about Lach not liking Jay, and in that vid Irish posted with Briggs, he seemed to do everything he could to not talk about Cutler. Also, I wonder if some resented him cuz supposedly part of the reason they let Kreutz go was so that the team could be Cutler’s which never really happened.

      And let’s not forget about McPhee.

      • BearDown100393

        In all fairness, has not most of Chicago already forgotten about McPhee?

        • Ososfan

          Never forget!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Add Urlacher to that list. He admitted it to Rich Eisen.

  • BearDown100393

    If it were the other way around, Jay would’ve been fired. #succubus

  • King of DBB

    Here’s my Waffle video of teh week:

    A 19 year old kid, Sandro Ziegler, with BALLS OF STEEL, uses his vintage 993 Carrera 2S on roughed up street tires to reel in and overtake a 997 GT3 RS on slicks at the Ring. Using nothing more than pure moxie.

    Watching this kid saw his wheel under braking as weight shifts up on him, or watching him saw for grip through sweepers is great shit. That kid is using every millimeter of the tread he’s got, never coming all the way off the throttle and eventually seizing his prey. Watching him stay in the throttle knowing he’s got a tail happy 993 is awesome.

    • MB30SD

      damn dude… some skidmark inducing moments. Fucking kid is straight up balls.

      You can see how much faster/more powerful the 997 is… the dude just got sick of the kid nipping at his heals and wasn’t nearly as committed to staying ahead as the kid was to catching him.

    • beninnorcal

      To drive on that course someday, it looks amazing.

  • Does anyone actually have ESPN Insider?

    Be interested to see how they tier this draft. Tiering is most likely how GMs operate.

    http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/tiers

  • 505Bears

    Ego got the boot. Does the mean the Bears are leaning towards a DL/DE guy? Not like Ego actually played any, but still.

    • BearDown100393

      It just means Emery drafted a bust in the eyes of POX.

      • Kevin Fishbain shared the Bears have 6 guys they drafted before the last 2 drafts still on the roster. Long, Leno, O’Donnell, Fuller, Carey, and Sutton.

        Only 2 of those guys are roster locks at this point.

        Decade of bad drafting.

        • BearDown100393

          No reflection on the draft pick whatsoever but Kyle Long is prematurely breaking down.

          • willbest

            He was 24 years old when we drafted. I could swear somebody posted an analysis of draft player age relative to NFL longevity and it did not bode well for people over 22.

          • I think I did on draft day when they picked Long.
            That was one of the reasons I was unhappy with the pick.
            Then again, I wanted Floyd and he may never play football again. Never know I guess.

          • Ososfan

            Leonard Floyd is 24, too.. oh man.

        • willbest

          I think Fox likes Sutton. A couple months back I listed the 11ish players on the roster prior to 2015, and determined 6 were going to be here in 2017. Though Jeffery was one of those 6.

          Though for whatever reason Pace still seems to be pretending he is going to pay Houston $7 million, though I have to believe he gets cut unless he wants to play for $2 million.

        • Ososfan

          And yet sooooooooo many meatball fans don’t want to understand that it takes time fixing all those horrible drafts when we had nothing in the depth department and just a bunch of vets playing in their last legs. Smh…

          • Irish Sweetness

            We said it for years under Angelo. It would take a long time. At least it’s happening now. That was a great draft last year.

        • SC Dave

          Well, there were Matt and Alshon. The only guy on the roster better at their positions is (well, maybe) Howard, and Pox lucked the fuck out on him. They thought Langford and White were the guys.

      • Ososfan

        He was a HUUUUGE project to begin with, was projected to be picked later in the draft even with his athleticism he only had ONE sack in college.. dang.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Didn’t like either the Sutton or Ego picks.

    • Drafted a few spots before Jimmy G!

      • King of DBB
      • Ososfan

        Please don’t remind us. There were couple of guys here wanting Jimmy G… Smh! Emery…. Wow

        • BearDown100393

          Jimmy G might be the name of a car wash by now if he was drafted by Chicago.

          • Ososfan

            Sigh…

    • CanadaBear

      I kept saying the Bears released him. Apparently I’m clairvoyant. Fucking Emery.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Trade down, trade back up … grab Malik Mcdowell (6’7 295) and Budda. Boom.

  • willbest

    “And last year there were a ton more needs. Many addressed. Pace is rebuilding a franchise from scratch.” – Jeff

    Last year heading into the draft we had question marks at
    RB, TE, Tackle, DE, OLB, and 3 DB positions

    This year heading into the draft we have question marks at
    QB, WR, TE, tackle, DE, OLB, ILB, and 4 DB positions.

    You can be supportive of Pace’s moves last year and realize that thanks to injury concerns and an unproductive FA period the team has taken a step backwards.

    • MB30SD

      not sure that’s an entirely fair assessment.

      WR was there last year too.
      TE is basically sewn up, although we don’t have a gronk
      I think we’re actually better off now at DB than last year
      IFF tre comes back we’ll be ok at ILB

      anyway, I think we’re basically even at this point. We just have to hope he blows up the draft and we aren’t ravaged by injuries again.

      • SC Dave

        Better hope Kwiat advances seriously, because methinks Tre is now a JAG.

        • MB30SD

          guess we’ll find out

          • SC Dave

            Yeah… hope I’m wrong, but…

        • CanadaBear

          I’m afraid you’re right about Tre. Hope not. I’m not as excited about Kwiat as you. Hope he bulks up and takes the next step.

          • leftcoast dave

            Kwit’s got a lot of potential. Not likely to see him cut any time soon. OLB in an obvious pass situation? Got the length. Got the cover ability? Or can he best learn to handle the TE? We’ll see.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      unproductive FA period?
      we added
      2 WR – not the greatest but still better than some of the guys we had on the field
      1 TE = Blocking TE – with decent hands.
      1 T – swing/backup tackle
      3dbs – that are extremely better than what was on the roster

    • WR has top 4 set. TE has top 2 set. OT has top 3 set. ILB has top 3 set. OLB has top 4 as of right now. Secondary is probably about 1/2 set right now.

      You’re way overstating this. You can upgrade any of those positions, but the only gaping hole on the roster right now is QB.

      I’m not saying those positions are all “great” by set, I’m saying they have the key guys in place for a not-shitty group this year. You can say that about pretty much every position on the roster outside of QB, CB, and S (and some would argue QB with Glennon). If Amos rebounds, you can even say that about S with him and Demps.

      So it’s now the position where you draft to add impact players without NEEDING to add players at any one specific position (though I will be upset if they haven’t added a S and QB by the end of round 2).

      • BerwynBomber

        Meh. I think you are overestimating Amos’s rookie year.

        • Bender McLugh

          Hope not

          • leftcoast dave

            Got a real mentor now. And competition with D. Hall if he keeps his butt out of jail.

        • My ideal would be Amos as 3rd S behind a rookie and Demps.

      • SC Dave

        What 4 WR are fucking talking about?

        • Meredith and White are their guys who they think turn into a quality starting duo. The depth behind them is Wheaton and Wright, who are both solid WR3 guys.

          Worse top-shelf talent than last year, but if one of Meredith or White emerges it’s a better group as a whole than they’ve had since 2013. Certainly better depth than they’ve had in a while.

      • Bender McLugh

        And QB? By the 2nd? I’m so damn curious which one

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m just hoping (if there’s no trade) that he pulls the trigger on Adams. Adams and Demps, Not bad.

      • willbest

        You are talking about who is going to start week 1, I am taking about who has promise to be here in 2018

        • A lot of those guys do, depending on how they perform this year. There’s a lot of young guys on the roster that they’re going to give every chance to pan out. That’s how a rebuild works.

    • Last yr QB was a questionmark too.
      Many like I wanted to wait and see if the Gase-Cutler yr was fool’s gold or something to build on going forward.
      Survey says…bare assed in mexico 1 yr later.

      We also had doubts at WR, namely IF Alshon could actually stay healthy and produce like a true #1 without Bmarsh (hence the tag).

      Survey says…1yr prove it deal in Philly cuz no other team trusted Alshon either.

      You can also say TWO OT positions were in question, not just Massie at RT, but Leno, who we really didn’t know much about. He turned out to be servicable, but could’ve easily gone Webbnation.

      • willbest

        The 3 best WRs on the market got 1 year deals. Jeffery, Pryor and Fitz.

        • leftcoast dave

          What does that tell you? Supply/demand? Pay to play, or else? All the more reason to get twofers which is what Pace did getting a deep threat as well as a good slot. AJ? “Hit the road, Jack.”

          • willbest

            It tells me that the market is realigning and only QBs, linemen and special talents are going to get top dollar on long term deals.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jus’ bidniz.

    • BerwynBomber

      Butch beat me to it — but last year we had a question mark at QB too. It was just Pace’s mistake that he was unable to draft one.

      In fact, we’ve had a QB question mark since ’14-15. See Pace’s attempts to shop Cutty and pursue Mariota.

      • willbest

        Cutler got cut because of availability.

        • leftcoast dave

          Cutty got cut mid season. And the reason is becoming more obvious every day. Out with the bad tude, in with people who want to win.

          • willbest

            Saying cutler didn’t have the tude is nonsense.

          • leftcoast dave

            His tude was “f this crap, I’ve been getting myself killed for this?”

            Sometimes enough is enough. Cutty’s got enough and he’s had enough. Not the same tude AJ had, but not the tude Pace wants.

          • willbest

            Not only is there no evidence to support that theory, Gase vouched for him with no reason to do so.

            Bears fans hate him because he never delivered, but that wasn’t a lack of work ethic or commitment to the team. That was his ability falling short. You want to try something else fine, but don’t shit on his character.

            And Jeffery? Da fuk. Pace wanted Jeffery. He tried to work out a deal with Jeffery. Jeffery didn’t want to play in Chicago for the money Pace was offering. Jeffery misjudged the market, and decided to go elsewhere rather than swallow his pride here. That happens to every FA that misjudges the market. Lach retired because of it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think he’s injured.

        • BerwynBomber

          He got cut because POX were never a fan and they have been trying to get rid of him for three years. But they were a) unable to move him, and b) the McCaskeys were unwilling to eat the contract.

          So that is called a question mark at QB. Even if you think there wasn’t.

          • leftcoast dave

            Clearing the decks. No question about it and all for the best.

          • willbest

            And he did what in 2016 to move Cutler while teams were giving Oz 37 mil? Cutler proved he could be a good soldier for Fox in 2015. 2016 he showed his body wasn’t durable

    • Irish Sweetness

      1. Fewer question marks at DB this year. He signed Cooper, Prince and Demps. Hall is bring moved to safety/depth. That’s better than we were.

      2. Question marks at QB? We have two vets and Shaw. Don’t love any of them, but we’re rostered up, and the starter looks after the ball.

      3. WR? Cam is pretty good and he’s the #3. Wheaton is a deep threat and Wright is a decent slot receiver. White was unlucky with his injuries, but he could get his shit together to provide depth.

      The front 7 on D definitely has question marks in it, but that’s what the draft is for.

      • willbest

        Prince hasn’t played 16 games in like 3 years. Demos is 32. Cooper has promise

        Cam fine? And behind him?

        And Pace is so unconvinced the QBs are on 1 year options

        • leftcoast dave

          Prove it contracts, depth to compete. What is wrong with that?

          • willbest

            I don’t think they are prove it contracts. I think we are seeing the effects of the cap.

            Keep in mind hicks, massie were brought in on 1 year deals with team options. Those are worse deals are substantially worse than Prince. If hicks signed a 1 year deal like prince he would be making more money this year, and Massie might even as well since he finished stronger than he started

          • leftcoast dave

            I think we are seeing Pace do what he said he would do. Build the team through the best available in the draft while plugging needs with value in FA mostly over the short term and not overpaying. Several good replacements for Massie in the draft. Yes, he started out slow, gelled to an extent as the rest of the line did and Howard got better at helping, but still just a stop gap. Targeting Whitehair, and the results that showed should be a big clue about this upcoming draft priorities.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Last year we had shit at WR. Now we have bona fide receivers and White as a possible breakout.

          Not jazzed by the DBs, but it’s definitely an upgrade on HQJ, who can’t tackle.
          And there’s still the draft. We probably get three starters from this draft, maybe four. We could get an OT, a DL, a LB and a DB starting by mid-season.

          • willbest

            No sane person thinks our WR core this year is better than last

  • King of DBB

    What is the verdict on the new Ferrari 812?

    • MB30SD

      nice looking… refined, understated. Not vicious like the la ferarri

    • Bender McLugh

      Mmmmmm tasty

  • Ososfan

    Brad Kaaya might be the QB we get if he’s there in the 3rd…supposedly

    • BerwynBomber

      Yes, good memory as it was reported mid-season that the Bears (Pace) liked Kaaya.

      • Bender McLugh

        Buttfumble mentoring Kaaya. Or any rookie qb for that matter. It’s just unsettling

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          If you can’t do, teach. It has been reported that Buttfumble helped Prescott a lot last year. It is apparent he has accepted his role as a backup and doing everything he can to help everyone understand playbooks and defensive schemes.

          • Bender McLugh

            Yeah I think you are right. Awesome. It’s still unsettling

          • leftcoast dave

            Yep, you see the pattern. Quentin Demps is the epitome of what da Bears needed in the D backfield. FS younger, SS now. MENTOR for da yute.

            Sanchez, “backup”, but more importantly what he did in Dallas.

            No “coincidences” with those two signings. Now no desperation at either D back or WR positions. In fact, no desperation at any position. So, time to build for the future. That’s an OT and LB. Kwit might make it there full time, or can possibly also play on the outside. But the Monster SS of the past is not needed as much as the Monster LB da Bears have always had.

            And what was the number two priority last year? OL. What is it this year? OT.

            If no trade, BPA will likely be DL. Thereafter,(or if he hits with a trade down) see if Pace does not surprise with LB and OT.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            my guess is we won’t draft Oline or LB before the 5th round and they will be just projects.
            1st – Adams or Allen
            2nd – QB – who the hell knows which one.
            3rd – DB – if Adams is in the 1st this will probably be a CB
            4th – TE

            The TE and DB classes are deep this year. So why not grab them. It is not a deep class for either OT or LB and we have players that are serviceable at those 2 positions.

          • leftcoast dave

            Serviceable OTs? Compared to TE? We’re set at TE. We’re “amazingly adequate” at best at OT. ILB, serious problem if Tre’s injury is what it usually is. DBackfield is in better shape than the T position or the ILB position with lots of depth.

            To quote Tina, “what’s love got to do, got to do with it?”

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            set at TE? Miller 32 and injury prone and a bunch of blocking TEs.

            My point is that ILB and OT is not deep, in an average year the guys that are projected in the 2nd and 3rd rounds would be 4th or 5th rounders at best. You are not going to find those “monsters” as you call them at either OT or LB. Take the positions that give you the best productivity and chance to be 10+ year players, and address the other positions next year.

          • leftcoast dave

            We are a run first team without anyone at ILB to back up the starters but Tre on IR. Best available at three is DT, not S. The most important need is ILB and T is the building block for the future like Whitehair. It really is that simple. TE’s are deep in the draft, but Sims is perfect for Glennon, blocking both for the run, pass protect and release. He’s a QB’s best friend big target check down safety valve.

            See what Pace fixed in FA last year and where he then drafted away from those positions. Kwit was the only exception and still a big need position. Will Pace change his mo this year?

  • MB30SD
    • King of DBB

      omg. A Jag e-type I made BY Jaguar. Only 10 will be made.

      Oh. Dude. You will double your money if you get on that list.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah… Don’t have the capital outlay right now. : (

  • Big Mike

    From 24/7 sport
    Out of Emery’s 3 drafts, the bears have a CB who doesn’t want to play, a 3rd string RB, an average punter, an occasional starter on the DL, an almost average LT and 1 stud OG.

    When the Chicago Bears waived Ego Ferguson on Friday afternoon, they removed another draft pick from the Phil Emery era.

    Emery was Chicago’s general manager from 2012 through 2014 and made 20 selections in three drafts.

    The only Bears remaining on Chicago’s roster from those drafts are former first rounders Kyle Fuller (2014) and Kyle Long (2013), Will Sutton (2014), Ka’Deem Carey (2014), Patrick O’Donnell (2014) and Charles Leno (2014).

    It is staggering to think no member of Emery’s first draft class from 2012 is still with the Bears. First-round pick Shea McClellin is with the New England Patriots, wide receiver Alshon Jeffery recently signed with the Philadelphia Eagles, while his remaining selections—safety Brandon Hardin, FB/TE Evan Rodriguez and defensive backs Isaiah Frey and Greg McCoy—are no longer in the NFL.

    Of all the picks Emery made, only Jeffery and Long turned into
    Pro Bowlers. Jeffery could have remained in Chicago, but the team
    decided he was not worth the money he was asking for following a
    disappointing 2016 season. Long on the other hand has far exceeded
    expectations in Chicago. He has gone to three Pro Bowls in four seasons
    and is quickly becoming the face of the franchise.

    As the Bears prepare for the 2017 NFL Draft, Emery’s missteps
    should be a blueprint for what current general manager Ryan Pace cannot
    do in late April.

    • willbest

      pretty sure the punter ranks around 28th.

      • Big Mike

        Even worse.

        Mike

    • willbest

      Isn’t it the case with all bad teams? When Schiender took over as GM of the seahawks in 2010, only 4 players survived to win the SB four years later.

      If the Bears were to hypothetically win the SB in 2018, that is about where it would be. Lets look at some options
      Long for sure.
      Willie Young possibly (he is getting older could get cut),
      Leno (he is on his last year of a contract, and they might not want to pay him the $7-9 million he could command on the open market).
      Bellamy solid gunner and there are worse WR #5s out there.
      Zach Miller (who technically didn’t play in 2014 though he was acquired by Emery but Pace is looking at TEs so he might be gone due to health issues).
      Sherrick McMannis who is the unflushable of the Bears roster.

      Jones, Hurst, Sutton, Carey, POD are all JAGs and you know what they can do, I can’t imagine not finding some upside guys to replace them

      Fuller – attitude, gone.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • willbest

      Cooper is the only FA that I am even the least bit excited about having any real upside. Prince is brittle, Demps is old, the WRs are JAGs. And Sims is a nice glue piece but I don’t expect to see him take it to the next level.

  • Irish Sweetness
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  • antityco

    No, I don’t think so. I’m not sure that I want the Bears to draft a quarterback in the first round, but I’m definitely sure that I don’t want them to pick Kizer.

  • T.dyon

    Why is it that some QBs have obvious physical traits as well as answer all the questions concerning Xs and Os but then are mediocre or bust in the NFL. The answer is on game tape. Testing a QB and watching him workout only answers which attainable skills he has or needs work on through practice. It doesn’t answer the most important skills that are inherent, like how fast can process or think pre and post snap… there are many skills a QB needs that he can’t acquire through practice.

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