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Data Responds: Lions at Bears

| November 19th, 2017

Chicago’s offense had their best game of the year, but their defense played possibly their worst game of the year. All in all, that evened out, but the Bears ended up falling to 3-7 because their kicker is terrible.

Offense

  • Now that’s more like it. The offense was finally run like an NFL offense, mixing things up and keeping the defense off its feet, and unsurprisingly it led to good things happening. Chicago stayed run-heavy in the game, but mixed up how they were running instead of making it so predictable, and thus the run game really took off. As a result, the offense scored more than 17 points in regulation for the 1st time all year.
  • This also helped the passing game open up a bit as well, since the Bears didn’t routinely end up in 3rd and long. This was a nice change from how their offense has functioned most of the year.
  • Another nice wrinkle we saw on offense was a number of read-option looks for quarterback Mitchell Trubisky. He kept it several times (though there was at least one more where he should have) and made Detroit’s defense pay for crashing down on the running backs.
  • After ignoring Tarik Cohen on offense for several weeks, the Bears made a point of getting him involved early and often. He had 8 carries and 3 pass targets in the 1st half alone after getting 8 total touches in the previous 3 games.
  • Another nice wrinkle was lining Jordan Howard up as a fullback, with Tarik Cohen at tailback. This set Howard up with a few nice runs as he could spring through the line quickly and the linebackers had to worry about Cohen.

  • Together Cohen and Howard both had big days. They combined for 24 carries, 169 yards, and 2 touchdowns. Add in Trubisky rushes and the Bears picked up over 200 yards on the ground, with a stellar average of 7 yards per carry. There are no excuses for a team to lose when they run the ball like that.
  • We saw a mixture of different formations as it seems the Bears finally opened up the playbook. While that helped keep the defense off balance, it also created a few issues for Chicago’s offense. On one play, they had to call an early time out after Kendall Wright and Josh Bellamy couldn’t figure out where to line up, and on another Mitchell Trubisky went to his left to hand off to Benny Cunningham, who had run to Trubisky’s right.
  • There was a lot of consternation at the start of training camp last July when Trubisky had trouble receiving snaps under center. For the first time this season, we saw that issue rear it’s ugly head, as Trubisky dropped a good snap from Cody Whitehair and was unable to recover it. Detroit defender DJ Hayden picked up the ball and waltzed into the end zone.
  • While we’re on Trubisky, accuracy was an issue again today. On one particularly egregious series at the start of the 2nd half, he missed two throws in a row that both would have led to a first down nearly in scoring range. Instead the Bears went three and out and punted. He’s been running into trouble when he doesn’t set his feet.
  • Overall it was a day of progress for Trubisky though. The coaches trusted him more and opened up the offense, and he mostly responded. He continues to make good decisions, and used his legs as a weapon more today, now he needs to get more consistent in his footwork and accuracy.
  • Another rookie who had himself a solid day was tight end Adam Shaheen, who caught his 2nd career touchdown and had 4 receptions (on 4 targets) for 41 yards while also providing solid blocking in the run game. His progress is something to watch down the stretch of the season.
  • Kyle Long was back from a hand injury that kept him out last week, and he picked up two big penalties. In the first half, he had a dumb late hit that set Chicago back 15 yards, and in the 2nd half he got downfield too early on a screen pass in the 3rd quarter.
  • The offensive line overall had a good day though. They gave up 0 sacks (and not a ton of pressure) of Trubisky and opened up plenty of running lanes.
  • When Chicago needed to run a 2-minute drill late in the game, they didn’t have Tarik Cohen or Adam Shaheen on the field, and Dontrelle Inman only played some of the snaps. Those are probably Chicago’s 3 best pass targets, and the Bears took them off the field in must-pass situations. Why?
  • Despite the odd personnel decisions, Trubisky successfully operated a 2-minute drill for the first time in his career. He marched the Bears down inside the 30 in under 90 seconds for what should have been the game-tying field goal. That’s a nice sign of growth from the rookie (though he missed several throws on the drive).

Defense

  • Of course the defense starts to make baffling personnel decisions as soon as the offense finally gets their act together. For some reason, they decided to rotate cornerback Marcus Cooper in the game, replacing Prince Amukamara, who has been playing well. Cooper promptly gave up a 17 yard completion on 3rd and 15 when he wasn’t even within 5 yards of his man, followed by a deep touchdown where his man again appeared to be uncovered.
  • Linebacker Christian Jones called plays for the 2nd week in a row, and unsurprisingly he had a rough day for the 2nd week in a row. There were also several miscommunications and missed calls defense-wide, indicating confusion about the play call Jones relayed to them. It’s obvious that Jones isn’t capable of this responsibility, yet coaches continue giving it to him instead of the more capable Nick Kwiatkoski or John Timu.
  • Official snap counts aren’t out yet, but I saw a lot of Pernell McPhee on the field today, and he did absolutely nothing. He just looks shot. He’s slow and gets pushed around. I don’t think rookie Isaiah Irving has gotten more than a spot snap or two on defense this year, but they might need to try him there more, or get another guy in who they trust to play. The lack of competent OLB play opposite Leonard Floyd (who has been solid but nothing special) is killing Chicago’s pass rush.
  • One adjustment defensive coordinator Vic Fangio made in the 2nd half was going to more 3-man rushes while dropping 8 into coverage. I don’t like doing that, but it worked quite well for the defense, so I can’t really complain.
  • Detroit wide receiver Golden Tate had a quiet day, which is a credit to nickel CB Cre’von LeBlanc. He has played well filling in for Bryce Callahan the last two weeks.
  • It was a brutal injury day for the defense, as Leonard Floyd (knee), Eddie Goldman (wrist), and Kyle Fuller (hand) all suffered injuries. Fuller and Goldman were both able to return to the game, but Floyd’s knee injury looked gruesome and he’s probably out for the year.
  • For the 2nd week in a row, Chicago’s defense gave the game away in the 4th quarter after the offense put them in position to have a chance. This unit dominated for a month before the bye, but has lacked the edge since. You can make the argument that the offense has outplayed the defense over the last 2 weeks.
  • One of the biggest differences has been turnovers. After forcing a ton of them in the 3 weeks prior to the bye, they’ve forced one over the last two games. They did get a fumble recovery today, but dropped three interceptions (two by Fuller and one by LeBlanc).

Special Teams

  • Remind me why kicker Connor Barth is still a Bear. He shanked another kick today, this one a 46 yarder that would have sent the game to overtime. He continues to be bad at his job, yet somehow continues to keep his job. Maybe this will finally cost him the spot that he should have lost over a year ago.
  • It was good to see special teams ace Sherrick McManis back today, and he had a nice tackle on a kickoff return (though he did pick up a penalty later too).
  • Isaiah Irving had a good game on special teams too. He picked up a few tackles, including one big hit to drop Detroit’s return man behind the 20 yard line.
  • Tarik Cohen needs to learn to kneel the ball on kickoff returns. He brought it out five times today, and I don’t think he got past the 25 yard line once.

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  • Papa Pawn

    Go Saints

    • Papa Pawn

      Foreskin blasted

  • I would argue Chicago’s offense has been better than the defense coming out of the bye.

    If the defense was still playing like they did for the month before the bye, the Bears are .500 right now.

    • BearDown100393

      Injuries take a toll and this defense will not be better because of it.

      Your work is good here but it it wasted upon quite a few booyah diehard types drunk on ’85.

    • Sactowns#1

      I would argue another high quality LB should be the #1 priority this off season. The D needs just a little help.

      • Freeman, arguably our best player overall, is gonna need replacing.

        I think sometimes we forget that Kwiat and Jones are the 3rd and 4rth options.

        Lions wisely picked on them.

        Pass rush wasn’t dominant either today.

      • Bender McLugh

        DL, then LB

      • They need 2 more edge rushers. Draft one high, get whatever you can in FA.

        They also need to rotate their DL more, IMO.

        • Bender McLugh

          Too ten pick next year is guaranteed, yes? I read that somewheres

  • Sactowns#1

    As I said in the previous thread, every time someone defends Paceni will point to losses like these. He’s either overly confident or completely inept.

    • BearDown100393

      Pace is not the answer for what needs to be done.

      He has not changed the culture of losing. Hobo coaches not to lose blow out games.

      Some don’t like that opinion. I really don’t care. Because it is the truth.

      Elite teams never tolerate losing. They react to it. They adjust. They look to improve.

      The Bears don’t. And that is why they are bottom feeder.

      Shame on those who defend the status quo of losing and set a ceiling potential for mediocrity.

      • Big Mike

        Join a Patriots blog. You don’t fix a 30,000 foot issue by staring at grass. Pace know he needs a kicker. Everything you think you know. Pace knows

        • failing to replace Barth over the last 26 games is a huge failure, and that’s on Pace.

          The rebuild is a perfect opportunity to try and find your long-term answer. Barth might make sense if you’re a win-now team. He makes zero sense (and never did) for the Bears.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            they have brought in kickers a couple times this year for tryouts. They must not have impressed.

          • then keep looking. Give extended tryouts that include games.

            Think big picture. The goal is to find your kicker for 2018, when it actually matters.

            You know that’s not Barth. Give somebody else a 6 game audition. If they fail, draft one and bring in another FA next offseason.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I totally agree with that. Just saying it’s not like they have not been looking.

          • a tryout is meaningless. Doesn’t guarantee change.

            Cut Barth, then bring in several kickers for a tryout. That way you have to sign one. Put the pressure on them that best performer is guaranteed a contract. Should have been done last year, and then already earlier this year.

          • Bender McLugh

            Put O’Donnell in instead

          • Agree.

            Been saying to draft the best K in the 6th for a while now.

            Those guys tend to be SP fodder anyways, so why not give a chance to a young boot from college?

            Hopefully this FINALLY makes Pace switch kickers.

            Fuck, I wouldn’t even mind giving Aguoyo or Koo a shot.

            If they suck, sign Barth till the off-season.

            No one’s gonna be picking his ass up.

            Kicker is TOTALLY on Pace.

          • Big Mike

            Yeah, I wonder what’s up there? They could bring in a kicker per week. Robbie Gould sure would look good now. Here is his stat line.
            90.5% on FGs (19/21), 15/16 XP (93.8). He’s 2 for 2 over 50 yds. 11/12 40-50. He missed a 47 yarder. His other miss was from 20-29 yards http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/10/the-49ers-most-consistent-player-maybe-its-their-kicker/

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          my guess is he would find issues with the Patriots too.

          • Big Mike

            Thx for jumping in

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        • BearDown100393

          And yet does nothing.

          • Big Mike

            Gee, let’s see. Maybe the general manager should over react and get a new RB because he dropped a ball. Or a new RG because he had a ridiculous personal foul. GMs can’t get emotional. Bears have a shitty kicker. They should get a better one. What you aren’t getting is that the overwhelming majority of what you rant on is either incorrect or not new information. The McCaskey’s aren’t cheap. They aren’t selling the team. Ted Phillips has zero football background. Fox is a conservative coach. Fangio should blitz more – (false). Kevin White is a bust. Cody Whitehair had snapping issues. Grasu’s not strong enough. Shaheen should get the ball more. On and on on. We know. Most of are looking for the positives. Speaking for most of people who comment on this site, we know the Bears have been bad for a while. We still love them. We have a connection with the team. It’s our team. It’s easy to criticize a team that has a 25-48 record since Lovie Smith was fired after going 10-6. What’s hard is looking for the positives.

          • BearDown100393

            You are the major problem.

          • Big Mike

            I’m realistic enough to know I have no impact on the Bears. Just trying to enjoy my team.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        It’s astonishing how you continue to say things like your last sentence. You don’t have to qualify your remarks. Everybody knows where you stand. And damn near everybody thinks you’re wrong.

        Ownership will not change. Pace will be here, at minimum, until Trubisky gets a season or two with another coach. Fox will likely be fired in January. And that’s that. Your bullshit doesn’t change anything.

        I can’t believe you aren’t objective enough to see the task that Pace was given, then smart enough to realize how long that task will take.

        And Trubisky? Kid’s FULL of potential. He’s got Cutler’s arm, better legs, better demeanor, and doesn’t throw interceptions. Too bad you’re too big of an ass to enjoy it.

        • BearDown100393

          Keep defending losing for the drunks here.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Who’s drunk?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Well said.
          He doesn’t accept failure…. but he embraces his own stupidity.

          • SC Dave

            Nailed it.

        • willbest

          He doesn’t have Cutler’s arm (very few do actually), but its a solid above average NFL arm.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I disagree. The fastball to Inman on the last drive was a laser.

          • A7Xthebest

            You’d be wrong. It JUMPS off the screen how his passes aren’t near as strong as Cutler’s.

            That being said I have high hopes for him.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            He’s made a handful of throws already that have every bit the velocity Cutler has. The arm strength is there.

          • It’s close, but Bronco Cutler strongest arm in the league, even if magically transported to now.

  • Big Mike

    Good game. Trubisky improved. OL was good. Helped to have the starting interior line back. WRs showed up. Defense held the lions to 20. 7 under their season average. Barth.. we know he’s bad.

  • underway

    A lot more to this loss than Barf, but if he did his job we would potentially still be playing for the W. He should be fired if for nothing more than wasting biscuits 2 minute drill bravado.

    • Big Mike

      It was a good game for a rebuilding team.

      • Bender McLugh

        Encouragement

        • Big Mike

          Looking for positives. There were a bunch.

          Get Outlook for iOS

      • underway

        Good games end with a W. Totally winnable game given away.

        • Big Mike

          For a REBUILDING team it was a good game. Losing sucks. But the good things that happened are this. Trubisky gained experience, the starting interior OL was back and they played well, Shaheen had a nice game and is getting better, Dowell Logains mixed up the play calling. WRs showed some skills. No special team mess ups (not counting Barth who is terrible).

  • Bender McLugh

    I liked the game today, encouraged by Trubs & Loggains & the run game. Sloppy ass game as it was. Cohen & Shaheen are proving to be solid picks, at least to me.

    • SC Dave

      It was nice to see Adam get the ball a little today.

  • underway

    Fox just said “ we have guys that don’t know that stuff” when asked why certain players were not on the field during the final drive. I assume it’s the coaches job to make sure they know the fuckin plays???

    • I’m guessing he was referring to Inman.

      Inman just doesn’t know the playbook, and I donn’t know if he knows the 2min package.

      That’s pretty up-tempo and the QB can’t be explaining it to him in the huddle.

      Dunno.

      Fox always seems to do that though.

      1 week Cohen blows up, next week he gets 2 plays
      1 week McBride goes for nearly 100, next he gets 1 target…

      Par course for Weekend at Bernies

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Peterman has 3 ints in first quarter so far for Buffalo.

    • Yeah – I think all 3 of those he was hit while throwing.

      Figured it would be rough for him in his first full game.

      Chargers have an under rated D (that’s why I started them in FF)

      • madscout12

        I picked them up today and plopped them into my lineup. I had the eagles against the ‘boys and that wasn’t one I was ever comfortable with, even with Zeke out.

        • I had the same choice.
          Those divisional late games could go either way.

          So I thought the Chargers were safer.

          Make that 4 INTs.

      • madscout12

        And there’s the 4th INT. Leave him in, Bills!

        • on 8 pass attempts!

          Yikes.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            completion percentage is almost perfect, if you count both teams.

        • Bender McLugh

          Serially??m

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          he fumbled a snap also, but recovered.

    • willbest

      What is important is Tyrod had a bad game last week and the coach wants him gone. Nevermind that he is around a 12-16th ranked QB over the last 3 years.

      I am going to go out on a limb and say he doesn’t have “it” which is why he was willing to take money off the table, when any rational person knew the Bills were going to blink and even on the off chance they didn’t Somebody else would have been right there with the same guarantees.

    • BerwynBomber

      Insane decision all about a contract.

      Were I a BUF fan I’d be furious.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    As a couple of you mentioned MT needs to work on his footwork, but one plus was MT appeared to work through his progressions faster this week.

    • willbest

      The accuracy thing is a bit troubling and baffling after he was laser accurate in the preseason. But on the whole he seemed to make solid strides this week.

      • madscout12

        He had the same issue in College, where his footwork was off under pressure and in the pocket. If he sets his feet well, he is laser accurate, as well as when he’s on the move. He’s got work to do to make it second nature when he has to drop back.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I will take solid strides from a rookie QB. Play and learn from mistakes, unless he throws 4 bad INTs in a half then might want to sit him down for the game.

        • BerwynBomber

          If Sanchize is backing up, sure. If it’s Glennon, fuck no.

      • ButtonShoes

        It’s easy to be laser accurate in the pre-season when you’re going up against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stringers struggling to make an NFL roster.

    • Trub does indeed get happy feet.

      That’s why teams blitz him and will continue to blitz him.

      Needs to figure that out because that’s why balls are sailing or behind.

      • Irish Sweetness

        So why don’t we blitz opposing QBs like it’s going out of fashion? See? It’s the obvious thing to do to a less-than stellar QB, but we won’t ….

  • madscout12

    My kingdom for a professional kicker.

  • willbest

    So the offense netted 17 points on the day. The D still gave up 20 points though, which was brutal. Good job for Barth there. Way to maintain draft position while giving fans hope all the way up until the end. Probably not good for building the confidence of the rookie that pulled a 20 yard run out of his ass on 4th and forever and then another 12 yard quick strike to give you a manageable 46 yard FG after the other guy kicked a 52-yarder, though.

    we have 6 games left, that is enough games to try out 2 new kickers, and if Pace doesn’t he is a moron.

  • TJ

    “Remind me why kicker Connor Barth is still a Bear.”

    Because there isn’t another available kicker who represents a meaningful upgrade. Few things are as frustrating as having to depend on a key skill player that is very publicly struggling. But the idea that there are half a dozen better players just standing around in street clothes and somehow your team just picked the worst one is pretty absurd. The Bears, at this point, are well-aware that Barth is a low-tier kicker. They knew that at the beginning of the season, which is why we saw them bring in Roberto Aguayo, who wound up being just as big as a bust as he was in Tampa. There’s no point in swapping out a .615 kicker for a .614 kicker. That said, the Bears also brought in

    • FresnoBear88

      But why let Gould go?

      • madscout12

        Moving on from Gould was the right move, IMHO. There are kickers to be had out there.

        I’d almost take Aguayo over him now because Barth is 31 and is who he is. Aguayo is a headcase and could figure it out at 23. At least go pick a kid up and put him on the PS to keep Barth thinking.

      • TJ

        That may well have been mistake, but hindsight’s 20/20. He did miss a few kicks leading up to his release and my assumption is that the Bears felt his leg strength was starting to diminish. (Gould’s game always relied more on accuracy than power and he turns 36 in 3 weeks.) Strength isn’t everything, but it becomes a bigger deal when you’re kicking in Soldier Field eight times a season and at least once in Green Bay. He didn’t stick around in New York, either, and their kicking situation, if you can believe it, has been an even bigger mess than Chicago’s. Obviously, the Bears may have been better with him today, but they wanted a longer-term solution and they clearly thought Barth had greater potential there.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Cold-weather kickers, eh?

      • willbest

        In 2014 Gould was 9 of 12 and missed 4 games.
        2015, he was 33 for 39 including 4 misses from inside the 50, and 2 inside the 4.

        That kind of production is okay, but he couldn’t kick an onside to save his life, nor could he reliably kick touchbacks either.

        Since leaving the Bears he has been improved going 29 of 31 over the last 2 years but he struggles with extra points missing 4 in that time. He did get his first onside kick of his career though.

        • madscout12

          And, IIRC, he was top 5 in $$$. Something like $9M, on a roster that the GM was trying to turnover.

          What doesn’t make sense is a cheap 31 y/o kicker who sucks sticking around. Young kickers seem to spring up each year, and Dallas and KC have lost a K and replaced them successfully. Fringe benni of Fox being fired will be maybe we get a solid ST coach again who can recognize good skill positions.

          • Good kickers who seemingly came out of nowhere

            Lutz
            Jake Elliot
            Butker
            Fairbarn

            Prob could add a few others like Tevecchio

  • BerwynBomber

    Barthed.

    Figured this team would bounce back after shitting the bed so rancidly against the Cheese.

    The rushing attack was awesome. Bisky was a mix of good and bad but definitely a-ok as a rook. The Dline generated pressure most of the day. And the Oline was excellent. (In fact, I’d give them the game ball.)

    Cooper and Barth, I presume, will not be Bears next year.

    DET just made a play or two more than we did.

    • Bender McLugh

      Cooper & Barth gone definitely

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        not really sure why Cooper was playing so much today.

        • Bender McLugh

          Was he replacing Houston-Carson’s snaps?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            no i am pretty sure he was playing instead of Prince A on that bad drive.

        • I think he covered for Fuller when he was getting his hand re-wrapped, but other than that, who knows.

          More questionable personnel choices.

  • BerwynBomber

    A 46 yarder in the cold at Soldier is no gimme despite what the guys on Bears post-game live are saying.

    But a) Barth missed it by a mile, and b) he stinks.

    • Bender McLugh

      Half mile, come on now

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        get your eyes checked it was a mile and a half.

  • BerwynBomber

    Oh btw …

    … Brett Hundley tossed three INTs and the Cheese were shutout at Lambeau by BAL.

    Hundley is now 1-3 as a starter (and 1-4 if you count their MIN game where he entered a 0-0 game midway thru the first Q).

    So thanks, Fox.

  • BerwynBomber

    Peterman w/ 4 INTs now.

    Can’t imagine BUF not losing their locker room after today.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      and he fumbled a snap, but they were able to recover.

  • 5Ints by Peterman.

    Wow. I think the CB was surprised it was in his hands again the last one.

    • BerwynBomber

      And he has only thrown the ball 14 times.

      Taylor must be laughing hysterically on the inside.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I think he is trying to break Manning’s Rookie season INT record, in one game.

  • wow. Gotskowski made a 62yder with like 10 yds to spare.

    Think he can make it from 70 in Mexico City.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      why are they playing in Mexico?

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        It’s complicated. It’s got to do with Trump’s bullshit trade deal, and the wall and what not.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Mexico, Canada and the USA will all be connected like the EC one day, apparently. That’s your western bloc, with a big old road and railway connecting it all.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Goodell got confused at what type of “football” the people of Mexico prefer.

        (he also think playing cricket involves bugs)

        • SC Dave

          Cucaracha, you mean.

    • underway

      Maybe Barth needs to kick in Mexico City. I would support that.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Barth: “I call all time kicker!!”

    • Bender McLugh

      It makes all the sense to move the Jaguars to Mexico City. I think.

  • I think Ravens make a 2nd half run.

    Finally getting their run game going + soft schedule.

    • BerwynBomber

      But no passing attack.

      • Their passing attack is their RBs.

        Their D will keep them in most games I think.

        Don’t think they’ll go far as a WC, but never know with Flacco in the playoffs.

  • madscout12

    The crazy thing is, the Bills are in the hunt for a playoff spot. Jebus, if Glennon played like Taylor and we benched him at 5-4 currently being the 6th seed, there would be blood in the streets.

    • Taylor 3INTs whole season

      Peterman, 5 in one half

      • willbest

        If Tyrod Taylor were a Bear, we would be 8-2 right now.

  • ButtonShoes

    2 things:

    1. Don’t give the credit to the Bears for finding religion when it came to Tarik Cohen today. They, especially John Fox and Dowell Loggains, have been getting raked over the coals (especially over the past week) for not using him. That’s why they went to the effort of using him today. Because they were berated into doing it.

    2. Never forget: Connor Barth is our kicker because John Fox and Ryan Pace didn’t want to pay Robbie Gould, and have constantly doubled down on that stupid decision ever since they first made it. Fuck the both of them.

    • madscout12

      100% on #1.

      But on #2, we turned over the roster. Letting Gould go was the right move. Every move at the K position after has been shit. And by move, I mean every week this year where Barth is our kicker.

      • BearDown100393

        Nobody believed in Barth at the end.

        And neither did he himself.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cohen’s TD was a nifty playcall.
      Other than that I don’t know if he was an upgrade over Cunningham.

      • Bender McLugh

        #FumbleatthePylon

        • BerwynBomber

          True …

      • SC Dave

        Cunningham certainly knows how to run a screen.

    • BearDown100393

      Keep posting common sense and historical truth and watch the hate fly here.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        You classify dissent as hate while stating that supporting Pace is a reflection of our own failed lives.

        You state your opinion as fact and common sense and leave no room for the possibility you’re wrong. You then wonder why you get charged responses.

        Or maybe you don’t wonder. Seems you revel in making yourself out to be some kind of martyr.

        • BearDown100393

          You are the major problem to this team.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Yes. Through my persistent application of common sense and maturity I’m single handedly harming the 2 Billion dollar Chicago Bears.

            What we really need is more folks bitching about things that will never change and other things that are already going to change. You’ve got that covered.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I’m confused at why some people think Gould played poorly his last year with the Bears.
      http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9354/robbie-gould

      In 2015 with Chicago he hit 33/39 including 7 of 9 from 50+

      In 2016 with the Giants he hit 10/10

      In 2017 with San Fran he’s made 19/21 including 2 of 2 from 50+ and 11 of 12 from 40-49

      HOW IS THAT A TIRED LEG?

      • BearDown100393

        Because stating otherwise would be criticizing Ryan Pace, the love interest of Jeff.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          …and even if he did have a tired leg, I’d prefer Robbie Gould kicking in a cast than Connor Barf.

          • BearDown100393

            Nobody here seems to really have any confidence in Barth but continue to defend Pace’s decision to let Gould go and bring aboard Connor.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        1. 5 missed extra points during that time.
        2. in 2015 he cost us 2 wins because of missed FGs, one of which was a sub 40 yarder
        3. in 2015 he was coming back from hip injury for the 2nd time in his career.
        4. he could not consistently get touchbacks even with the kick off moved up.
        5. rough 2016 PS before he was cut. 2 missed extra points, 1 missed FG and poor kickoffs
        6. he was due to make close to 4 million a year.

        It’s easy to look at half the stats and wonder why we got rid of him.

        • Gmen also released Gould.

          The problem isn’t cutting him, the problem is settling for a below AVG kicker in Barth.

          I said at the time that we need to draft a K, but GMs ALWAYS hate doing that.

          Given how important they are, I could never understand why.

          I wouldn’t go crazy like the Bucs and draft one in the 2nd – but 6th, MAYBE 5th if dude was great in college?

          Makes total sense.

          Who’s more likely to affect games – a 5th rd LB/CB/WR, or a starting K?

          No brainer for me.

          But GMs almost always are content with retreads.

          • SC Dave

            Smart organizations make sure they have someone better as a replacement. Remember that also when considering coaching changes.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            no argument. I wanted Barth gone 2 years ago.

  • Boy, i know White is a bust most likely, but Cooper drops a LOT of balls.

  • madscout12

    Christ, I’m playing against Gostkowski. 2 50+ yarders hurts.

    • I wanted to give a bonus for 60 yd FG, but ESPN didn’t go that high!

      Tyrod strip-sack TD.

      Go Charger’s D!

      • madscout12

        Seriously. That was one hell of a pickup this morning…at 10 CST.

      • madscout12

        Only problem is, he’s go the Ravens. The Packers screw me even when we don’t play them.

        • Same here!

          At least get a FG!

          Going against Brady/Brees doesn’t help

          Hopefully that Leveon Bell “non TD” doesn’t kill me.

          I still got Ertz and Julio going though., May have to carry me over the finish line.

          • madscout12

            I have Julio to play and he has Wilson. Man, I should have gone with Rothlesburger on a pick up before Thursday. He’s ahead 103 to 98. Fucking kicker keeps pouring on the points…unreal.

  • ButtonShoes

    “Christopher Kamka‏ @ckamka

    #Bears: snap 32-game streak of fewer than 10 first quarter points.
    Only 2nd time (out of 42 games) under John Fox Bears have 10+ first quarter points.”

    Jesus.

    • BearDown100393

      This got ignored because it is factual.

  • madscout12

    Man, go back and watch those playcalls in the 1st half. Amazing how the run game opens up when there are multiple threats of where the ball could go. On Howard’s TD, the LBs are frozen on the read option making sure Trubs doesn’t keep it. Throwing a WR screen early sets up a draw that Howard almost takes to the house.

    • The O FINALLY looks professional, and naturally, the D and Specials blow it.

      Bears.

      • madscout12

        The D is about to be bad weekly. Floyd out for the season. DT better come back soon to be our general, cause Jones isn’t cutting it.

        As good as they looked early, they have crumbled as the season has gone. We need pass rushers, and badly. Some of that DL depth could develop to make things go our way. And it would be nice if the CBs didn’t shit the bed now that we need them.

        • Pace is partly responsible for the D falling apart.

          Like I said since FA, he can’t go cheap.

          He signed Jaye Howard instead of trying to get a number of Dlinemen who could’ve helped in the rotation.

          There were other examples which I won’t rehash cuz it’s a broken record, but it’s like Pace assumes nobody is going to get INJ, then gets surprised when the Bears have to play guys off the street later in the season.

          I’m also pretty sure the D is going to mail it in going forward, just like last yr.

          The first thing that will happen is opposing runners will go wild cuz none of our guys want to tackle.

          Then, it gets ugly from there.

          Ironically, the O looks on the upswing.

          • madscout12

            I tend to agree with Pace’s strategy of not signing high priced FA before we were in a position to contend. If we see him going cheap with WR next year, then I think it becomes more of a problem.

            The bears have to be in a place where they don’t have massive needs in FA and the draft, or if they do, it is at one position…not 7. Last year, it was secondary, QB, WR, OLB, and OT. This year, it is WR, OLB, and OT + depth on OL, DL, and ILB.

          • BearDown100393

            If you draft well, you don’t have to sign too many free agents.

            Wide receiver is a hole. Drafting Kevin White was a first round bust.

          • madscout12

            Kevin White should not be counted on this offseason. Doesn’t mean cut him. It means that you plan like he won’t make the team. If he makes the team fair and square, gravy. But he isn’t your 1st, 2nd or 3rd option, and if he is, then we know all we need to know about Pace.

          • BearDown100393

            First round picks are supposed to be top shelf players. He never has been. And probably never will be.

          • madscout12

            True. But they are where they are with him. Every GM has misses and mistakes. The good ones know when to stop throwing good money after bad.

          • BearDown100393

            Might all end in an injury settlement.

          • ButtonShoes

            Here’s the thing: he will go cheap. And when Pace does, a lot of people will pop up to tell you what a genius he is for doing so. Until that cheapness comes to bite us in the ass.

          • BearDown100393

            Pace signs free agents like Hobo coaches.

            He plays not to lose. But in the end, does anyway.

          • Their DL depth is just fine with Bullard and RRH as the backups.

            The depth on this roster is actually pretty good everywhere but WR and OT. And now OLB since they cut Houston and had Young and Floyd go down.

          • BearDown100393

            Team needs a kicker.

        • BearDown100393

          The news on Leonard’s injury will not be good.

        • BerwynBomber

          Getting DannyT back will help.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      yep absolutely amazing how competent the O looks once they started utilizing plays many of have been asking for all year.

    • ButtonShoes

      The run game was better than it has been in the past few weeks, but it was helped by the fact that Detroit can’t defend against the run. At all. Still, you’d rather see a good performance out of our RBs than a bad one, and we got a good one.

      • BearDown100393

        If Birdcage had any common sense, he would stand up for his quarterback with the play calling. The first half was a good improvement. The second half was another story. Hobo is a detriment to Trubisky’s development. As well, Hobo coaches not to win but rather not to lose. Go rogue. Nothing to lose. Shanahan did with Elway as OC on Reeves staff. Birdcage has to make a choice. It should be an easy one. Siding with Hobo is a guarantee to being fired anyway.

    • The OL had their best game of the Trubisky era today. Not a coincidence.

      Play calls kept Detroit off balance. That buys the OL an extra split second where they know what’s happening and the defense doesn’t. That time is invaluable for getting the right angle and leverage for what you need to do.

  • BearDown100393

    Green Bay shut out by the Ravens.

    Reflects how bad last week’s game truly was.

    • Bender McLugh

      Shit the bed, absolutely

    • willbest

      we are currently drafting 4th

      • madscout12

        We weren’t in the top 10 before the bye.

    • madscout12

      Hundley threw like 3 picks and they had 2 lost fumbles. And they beat us. At home.

      Fox should have been fired on the spot.

      Oh, and the other kick in the nuts is my fantasy opponent had the Ravens. And they couldn’t even score a FG!

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  • willbest

    Eagles can basically clinch the division tonight

  • BearDown100393
    • madscout12

      Why? Why would he ever go there?

      • BearDown100393

        More suitors = more $

  • willbest

    marshawn lynch decided that he needed to do something noteworthy this season i guess.

    • BearDown100393

      And so he did. Good for him.

    • wreckinball

      Very dumb move but that’s expected

      • willbest

        not from lynch’s perspective. Assuming his goal is to side with Jerra over Goodell

        • wreckinball

          Well he looked like a moron
          But that consistently has been his look

  • wreckinball

    This team had a kicker Robbie Gould
    I mean once you have a good kicker keep them
    They can play 20 years or more see Vinatiero

    • willbest

      didn’t the pats get rid of him?

      • wreckinball

        They did
        But I think it was a bad move
        They got Gostowski spelling not sure but he is good

        But why risk it
        Once you have a good one keep him
        See Bears for how it doesn’t work out

      • wreckinball

        And the Colts thank them

      • AlbertInTucson

        And replaced him with a younger, better kicker.

        • wreckinball

          And the Bears?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Vinateri was still excellent and let go because the Pats didn’t want to pay.

            Robbie sucked in his last season as a Bear.

            He’s on his 2nd team since, already,

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            and still missing FGs, extra points, and short kickoffs.

          • wreckinball

            Wrong
            Robbie 90% excellent as usual
            Connor 70%
            Sucks

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am not comparing the 2. Robbie has missed 2 FGs this year and an extra point. 1 of those FG was under 30 yards.

            BTW I am glad Gould is gone.

          • wreckinball

            So you’re happy with what you got?
            Thank god you have no say so

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            WOW. you are getting into BearDown territory. No I am not happy with Barth he should have been cut last year. Gould cost us 2 wins his last season. He is gone. Get over it. He is not the same K he was 5 years ago.

          • wreckinball

            Well disagree
            He’s doing pretty good this year
            Just a not necessary move on a team that needs everything going it’s way to win

          • wreckinball

            But better than what we just witnessed

          • AlbertInTucson

            Last week he was 3 for 3 with an important, late 49 yarder.

            But he is not reliable.

            Neither is Gould.

          • wreckinball

            Ok stats don’t lie
            Robbie 90%
            Connor 70%

  • willbest

    eagles wr are sucking it up

    • madscout12

      The algorithm is…
      1. Get route
      2. Run Route
      3. See ball
      4. Catch Ball
      5. Turn up field

      So many guys try to do 5 before 4.

  • willbest

    nbc turned plinko into an entire gameshow?

  • willbest

    eagles going to need to figure something out. they should have at least 6 more points

    • AlbertInTucson

      All their bye seems to have done for them is robbed them of momentum.

    • BerwynBomber

      Their O is playing poorly. Then again, they were almost due for that.

      On the flip side, DAL was embarrassed last week so figured their D would be flying around tonight, which they are. So credit them too.

      Btw, still like Prescott, but in less than two games w/out Zeke, he has three or four INTs.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I did not see any of the game today.

    On the road I listened to the first part of the game.

    They get 400 yards of offense including over 220 rushing at 7+ per attempt and
    still manage to lose.

    That. Is. SO. Bears.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yup. And our D line provided good pressure most of the game.

      Our secondary and Grossman-like fumble by Bisky kinda did us in. Well, and then Barth pounded in the final nail.

    • SC Dave

      Defensive TDs by the other team have a tendency to cause that.

  • BuddhaJoe

    They showed up today, a few miscues on both sides of the ball did them in. If this had been a one-off I’d think nothing of it but it’s enough to indict Fox. He’s not the guy to take them to the next level. They have the talent, they need a guy to take them to the next level.

    It was a great game to see in person though, we had a great time. My wife liked it more since she’s a Lions fan but still. It was great even though I had to drive 3 hours after.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, they played reasonably well. Cooper and Barth obviously had games to forget, but DET just made an extra play or two that we didn’t.

      Definitely was not a fire Fox on the spot game like last week. But he’s out come Black Monday.

      • BuddhaJoe

        So we went to Off Broadway in Brookfield for a few than the Home Run Inn on Mannheim yesterday. Thought about trying to get you out but had to meet my grandma.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, you were nearby.

          Weirdly enough, in all my years here I’ve never had Home Run Inn except from the frozen aisle in the supermarket. Cool that you had a good time.

          • BuddhaJoe

            She wanted Giordano’s but they actually have one in Holland MI now so I had to promise we’d go there. Hadn’t been to a HRI since I was a kid 20 years ago.

  • willbest

    eagles not having a kicker seems to be just what they needed

  • willbest

    ajayi was sandbagging or gase sucks

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Both?

    • It’s all part of the plan

      Dolphins o line is garbage.

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky

    So what are the odds Barth is still our kicker next week? That felt like walking papers.

    • Barth and Fox should’ve been gone last yr, so maybe nov 2018.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        I’d bet my mortgage Fox is done. This was always the unspoken plan it seems. And let’s be honest here. Coaches weren’t kicking the door down to take the job. Roster was a mess and Cutler was the only real option for year 1. But given the roster churn and flashes of what might be from Trubisky, I’d bet the job is easier to fill now. Throw in what the young blood around him is beginning to show more consistently and it’s time.

  • SC Dave

    Well, I just watched the game on gamepass.

    I miss Robbie.

    • willbest

      he would have missed it too

      • SC Dave

        History would indicate you’re wrong.

        • willbest

          you mean like 2013 in ot against the Vikings?

          • BerwynBomber

            You do realize how many clutch kicks Gould kicked for us, right?

          • willbest

            but how many since then. people lose thier edge

          • BerwynBomber

            He’s having a fine year thus far in ’17.

            Btw, I didn’t shit a brick losing him, but as others have pointed out, sometimes if you find a really good kicker — and Robbie was that — you ride him until he’s 40.

            The Cheese still have Crosby and I never felt he was as good as Robbie career-wise.

          • wreckinball

            Because he’s good and Connor sucks

        • wreckinball

          He would have made it
          Folks just have to admit letting him go was a bad move
          A team with a bunch of holes doesn’t need to create new ones

          • willbest

            no we don’t. he missed a 30 yarder this season and an extra point .

          • wreckinball

            Ok Connor 70%
            Robbie 90%
            Seriously

          • willbest

            you are confusing moving on from gould and retaing barth

          • wreckinball

            Nope the team has a lot holes
            No need to create a new one by dumping Robbie
            Just dumb

          • AlbertInTucson

            He’s so good, the Giants dumped him after the Bears did.

          • wreckinball

            90 % vs 70 %
            Everything is relative
            How are the Giants doing by the way ?

          • willbest

            how are the 9ers?

          • wreckinball

            Not because of Robbie

          • willbest

            you mean they didn’t lose 24-26 to the skins, a game featuring a 47 yard missed fg by gould in the 3rd quarter? while not controlling seems rather contributing

          • wreckinball

            Yea that’s it
            Let’s stick with Connor
            Good point

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            It does not mean we approve of Barth just because we aren’t knob slobbering and pining for Gould.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Guy needed a change, he was missing fucking extra points. Now he’s good again but he was done in Chicago. Sucks though.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        still missing extra points.

  • willbest

    i hope trub lookslike this next year

    • BerwynBomber

      Hah!
      Be realistic. I hope he looks like Goff.

    • He won’t because he’s going to be learning an entirely new O for the 2nd yr in a row.

    • SC Dave

      It would be better if he throws the ball more accurately by then.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He has the tools. The accuracy issue concerns me.

      • It’s correctable because it seems like a footwork issue (which is what he was working on hardcore in the PS)

        It’s also a matter of memorizing the playbook so that he’s not thinking, just doing.

        Unfortunately, he’s going to be learning a new playbook, but at least he’s learning different types of coverages, blitzes and disguises.

        Next step needs to learn audibles and hot-routes.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I was yelling to run one more play at the end as were most of the people in our section. What saddened me was all the people pining for Gould, they seemed to have forgotten him losing it.

    • BerwynBomber

      A few of us said on the blog at the time that kickers go in slumps and it might be worthwhile to give Gould the benefit of the doubt.

      One of the big crits of Robbie was that he couldn’t kick the ball to the EZ on kickoffs. But with the new rules that would arguably be positive.

      • wreckinball

        Bad move giving up on Robbie

        • BerwynBomber

          Over and done with now.

          Just have to find a new Robbie. Wouldn’t be surprised if Pace drafts a kicker in the late rounds.

          • wreckinball

            True

      • BuddhaJoe

        Can’t blame them for dropping him, seemed like he had the yips. But if Garth was the best they could do, then fuck me. Dunno

        • AlbertInTucson

          More than a year and they can’t do better.

          So Bears, again.

  • BerwynBomber

    That TD and especially the two-pointer were very Rodgers-like by Wentz. Impressive shit.

  • willbest

    linebacker kicking touchback

  • I think we need to hire that Philly LB to replace Barth.

    And sadly, I’m only half kidding.

  • willbest

    the NFC playoff games this season are going to awesome. the afc ones not so much

    • Yeah.

      Saints and Eagles are sizzling.

      Vikes, Rams and always dangerous Hawks

      The AFC is like the old guard.

      Pats and Steelers

      And some hot team down the stretch.

      Chiefs are reeling.
      Jags still have Bortles but that D is legit.
      I think the Ravens will sneak in, but they’re not exactly exciting.

      • BerwynBomber

        CAR is in the mix too.

        • Very true.

          Just hard to gage Panthers cuz don’t know if you’re gonna get pouty Cam who gets owned by the Bears, or smiling Cam who just teabagged a few teams since.

          But Chico has that D revved up.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed: Cam’s emotional state would worry me were I CAR fan. Lots of ups and downs with him. Just like his play.

          • AlbertInTucson

            THEY DID lose to the Bears.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I don’t know about Seattle.

        No Chancellor and no Sherman is a problem.

        • True, and their run game is non existent.

          But they’re basically like the Puke with Wilson.

          And obviously, Petey is superior to McCarthy.

          Don’t think that’s a team anyone would want to face.

          I also think the Falcons make a run.

          We’ll see tmrw.

      • BerwynBomber

        Said it a week ago that the Chiefs were this year’s version of the ’16 Vikings. And they lived down to that comparison this Sunday as well.

        • It’s hard to trust Reid.

          For some odd reason, he’s gone away from Hunt.

          Well, actually, it’s not that odd.

          He likes getting overly cute when sometimes he just needs to pound the rock.

          That’s the drawback of the WCO. That’s why Ditka called it a pussy O.

          Smith also isn’t as aggressive as he was at the start of the season.

          Maybe he no longer feels Mahomes breathing down his back.

          They need to get back to that more aggressive style of O.

          • BerwynBomber

            KC should still make the post-season because the AFCW sucks ass.

            But the Chiefs atop those early season power rankings seems like a year ago.

  • BearDown100393

    Jerry Jones poisoned his own football team.

    Perfect.

  • BerwynBomber

    Dak definitely missing Zeke and Tyrone Smith these last couple of weeks. Drastic dropoff in level of play.

    • I posted his stats last week.

      They were comparable to Trub’s.

      Edit. Worse, actually with 2 fumbles.

      • BerwynBomber

        And they’re worse this week.

        Dak is still a good young QB but he also stepped into arguably the best situation a rookie QB ever has.

        He’ll be fine … BUT … adjustment time.

        • willbest

          eagles d is really good though

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed

  • AlbertInTucson

    Woodshed time, Cowboys.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    sooooo….. who is going to start the “I miss Forte” conversation? Dave you around???

    • willbest

      is he still in the league?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        doesn’t matter… Irish still misses McMahon.

    • I miss Columbo?

    • BerwynBomber

      Jordan Howard > Connor Barth

  • willbest

    cowboys should have gone for it on 4th and 2 on their 40 back when they were only down 14

    • AlbertInTucson

      OR just stayed in the locker room.

  • willbest

    Dak to Petermen hold my beer

  • Plz Eagles. If you get in range, give the LB a chance to make a FG.

    Would be awesome.

  • willbest

    i think Fox showed up to coach the second half for dallas

  • willbest

    you know, it would not shock me if the bears beat the eagles thereby continuing thier trend of beating teams they have no business beating

  • AlbertInTucson

    Aren’t we due for a closeup of Jerra?

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Thank you wreckinball. I was starting to worry I would not be able to use the term knob slobbering this week.

  • willbest

    the late game on thanksgiving is going to be garbage

    • BerwynBomber

      I don’t know. Not much at stake but if the GMen play decently could be a semi-entertaining game. Big if, though …

      Best news about the NFL during T-day week? Byes are over. Full slate.

    • AlbertInTucson

      A recipe for indigestion.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Is drop kicking FGs still legal? If so we should go sign Flutie or McMahon, pretty sure they both were proud of their drop kicking abilities

    • AlbertInTucson

      Still legal, I believe.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Self-serving BS to congratulate an opponent in the midst of his post game interview.

  • BerwynBomber

    If he weren’t playing for a rival, the Case Keenum story would be a good one. He’s playing solid ball.

    • Maybe the Vikes have a QB friendly system.

      Bradford was borderline bust before going there. Until he went down, he was on fire this season.
      Teddy looked good last year.
      Keenum looks more than serviceable, a hell of a lot better than the Ozs of the league, even than some “starters” like Flacco, Cutler, and Eli.

      But I still think he’s going to get benched.

      I feel like Keenum’s too much of a gunslinger for Zimmer’s taste.

      • BerwynBomber

        And Zimmer has unhealthy amount of love for Teddy. Kinda like Jerra had for Romo.

  • CanadaBear

    I was not exactly shocked Barth missed the FG but it never had a chance. What a shitty attempt! Oh well. If Floyd is lost for the season (likely) things only get more difficult. No doubt they get waxed next week. After that they will most likely lose both NFCN games just to go 0-6 in the division. I really wouldn’t be shocked if Cincy waxes them. Hopefully they can handle the Forty Whiners and the Factory of Sadness but nothing will surprise me the rest of the way. The 5-11 preseason prediction is looking good (unlike the Beloved).

    • I’m back to rooting against the Bears for draft position, and that 9er and Brown’s game will def have a lot to say about it.

      If we end up with say the #3 overall, that will likely be sufficient for the best prospect out of the draft.

      I expect #1 and #2 to be QBs.

      And if a 3rd QB is worth it, we could demand the house.

      So, I’m down to rooting for Trub to keep progressing, hoping our core stays healthy, and close losses.

      Thxs, Bears!

      • CanadaBear

        I always hated that shit when people would tell me that. That was until the Cubs tanked a few seasons and finally won it all. It looks like the injuries are going to pile up on the D and make it pretty toothless (same thing happened last year). NTM the Bears have shitty ST’s so that’s always an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

        Had to laugh being on the blog during the game. People always say they are going to be patient and take their lumps with a rookie QB and then lose their shit when he does rookie stuff. It’s amazing how nutty the blog can be during the game. Now that BD has made it his life’s work to point out we’re shitty Bears fans because we haven’t set our hair on fire, every day has become game day!

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I can’t believe you are accepting failure, CBear.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s some wacky shit right there brother.

  • I mentioned Saint’s DC Dennis Allen as a possible HC.

    How about if he brings Gase as OC?

    Gase is known to develop QBs. It’s basically the same system as Birdcage, except more creative, so Trub won’t have to start from scratch.

    Gase wouldn’t be the first good co-ordinator to flame out as HC (see, Wade Phillips, McDaniels, Tod Haley…)

    I wouldn’t hold any OC accountable for Cutler. He was “concussed” after 3 INTs. Moore came in and threw for 280 yds, 1 TD and ZERO INTs behind the same exact personnel.

    If Moore continues like that under Gase, maybe he’s worth tapping as OC.

    Just a thought.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, Cutler was horrendous. Forgot to remark on that. 3 INTs in only 12 attempts.

      Best you can say is that he avoided another Conte pick six.

      • CanadaBear

        Was it one of those games where he looks like he’s in insulin shock?

        • BerwynBomber

          He was due for a big correction after playing well against OAK, though the latter’s pass D is bottom of the league bad.

          Much as I looked forward to hearing Jay on Fox broadcasts this year, it would be kinda funny if the latter decides to take a pass on him now. Can’t say they wouldn’t have reason.

          • CanadaBear

            I would think Fox would be pretty understanding as long as Cutler was good at color (I’m guessing he will be very good). I can remember a few games with the Bears where Cutler would have those sunken eyes with the dark circles and he played at a slower speed than normal. Always felt bad for him those games (and the Bears always lost those games).

          • BerwynBomber

            But it’s one thing to bail on a gig like that when you have a track record with the network. But before you have even worked a day?

            Fox might not trust him.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough. If there is a next time they could put a clause in about payment if he bails again. Who knows? Like anything, if he’s really good (Romo-like) the networks would forgive him in a heartbeat.

          • BerwynBomber

            You’re probably right. I was largely playing devil’s advocate there — though I could see his signing with MIA causing some frustration/inconvenience.

          • CanadaBear

            If he finishes up the year playing better it will be interesting to see what happens with him. If he keeps playing like shit, the press box awaits!

          • He will keep playing like he always has.

            1 good game, 1 bad game.

            2 good games. 2 bad games.

            Rinse wash repeat.

            Made himself some $ though. Could by a lot of butt tan lotion for $14M.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Cutler is such a slacker. Peterson had 4 INTs on 8 passes(i think).

        • BerwynBomber

          Peterson was tracking toward an NFL record.

          Jay was tracking toward a career high, which I believe would have required six.

    • BerwynBomber

      Two thoughts (beyond Cutty):

      1. Allen’s track record. Was it that good before this year or is he caching lightning in a bottle? Heckva year for the Saints but how successful has Allen been previously?

      2. Why would Gase want to step down from his HC job? MIA would be nuts to fire him after his first year. I would assume they’d give him a third year to see what he does with Tannenhill again.

      • 1. Allen’s record isn’t exactly sterling. Coached the Raiders when they were bad. Essentially had to try to win games with Pryor (now a WR) and McGloin

        Needless to say, didn’t end well.

        According to WIKI, he has a nice coaching tree though. Reeves, Wade Phillips, Mora, Sean Payton, and yes, John Fox.

        Maybe he needs a 2nd chance at HC. (worked for Bill)

        Though that 1 yr wonder tag is a danger.

        2. I think Fins are gonna go different direction.

        Unless Gase makes another late season run with Moore while Cutler is “concussed”, I don’t know how he survives.

        Sure, the GM might say, “well, Tannenhill was inj” but maybe they clean house. After all, it was Gase’s idea to get Cargo for what, $14M?

        Owner might not like flushing that $ down the toilet.

        And they are the worst O in the NFL by most metrics. Worse than ours even.

        • CanadaBear

          I thought it was $10 mil but either way a big chunk of change.

        • BerwynBomber

          Again, I think Gase’s first year will buy him a third, regardless what happens this year.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I am not sold on Gase. At first I thought it might have been Fox keeping the strings too tight on him but now that he is in charge in MIA he has not really given any reason to be confident in him.

      • BerwynBomber

        He went 10-6 last year with Tannenhill and Moore. Seems pretty impressive.

        And despite today, he usually micro-manages Cutler well enough to mask his TO machine tendencies.

        I’d be interested to see him with a top half of the league guy. As I’m not sure even Tannenhill is that.

        • I’d take Trub 10/10 times over Tannenhill.

          Though I kinda agree with HBP.

          MIA is awful on O, but how much of that is Cutler?

          Like you said, they won 10 games last season.

          Also gotta remember he won games with the likes of Tebus, so he is def flexible.

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