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Data Responds: Bears at Saints

| October 29th, 2017

The Bears played pretty evenly with the NFC South-leading New Orleans Saints on the road, but a series of missed opportunities (helped by one atrocious call by the officials) cost them the chance to enter the bye at 4-4.

Perhaps most important to Chicago going forward, the loss was a costly one for the Bears. Four starters left the game with injuries and did not return, including guard Kyle Long (hand), center Cody Whitehair (arm), cornerback Bryce Callahan (knee), and tight end Zach Miller (leg). We’ll wait to see how serious the injuries are, though I can say fairly confidently that Miller’s gruesome leg injury means his season (and likely his career) is finished.

Still, the best news to me from the game was that they kept fighting. When they went down 17-6 early in the 4th quarter, I expected them to roll over and quit, but from that point on the defense forced two turnovers, the offense scored a touchdown, and the special teams picked up a big return to keep Chicago in the game. The attitude on the team is changing, and the importance of that can’t be overstated.

Offense

  • The Bears were forced to ask for a bit more from rookie quarterback Mitchell Trubisky this week, and we saw some of both good and bad, as should be expected from a young quarterback. We saw the talent leading to some big plays, and we saw the rookie mistakes leading to missed opportunities and/or negative plays. The overall stat line (14/32, 164 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 46.9 rating) looks ugly, but his performance was not that bad. Notably, Trubisky threw 2 touchdowns, but one of them was taken away by a terrible officiating call and one of them was inexplicably dropped by a wide open Jordan Howard.

  • The aspect of Trubisky’s performance that concerns me the most was the sheer number of missed throws. He overthrew or underthrew too many passes after making the correct read. I fully expect Trubisky to struggle some mentally, but poor accuracy is not something that can be blamed on being a young quarterback. On two particularly egregious examples, Trubisky missed a wide-open Tarik Cohen down the field on a play that might have been a touchdown and underthrew an open Dion Sims deep, turning a big gainer into a near interception. Then he had a missed throw to an open target on the game-ending interception as well.
  • Once again, I have to take some umbrage with the offensive play calling, as they too often fell into predictable patterns. There were too many runs into loaded boxes on 1st and 2nd down, resulting in too many 3rd and longs, which the Bears predictably struggled in. Then late in the game, they had 3rd and 4th and 1 and didn’t even try any play action. What’s the point of pounding Jordan Howard into a 9-man box all game if they’re not going to use that threat to get easy yards down the line?
  • The play calling was especially atrocious in the red zone. Twice in the 1st half the Bears moved into scoring range by mixing up the run and the pass, only to stall the offense by getting predictably run-happy. The 1st time, 1st and goal at the 6 turned into 3rd and goal at the 8 thanks to two play calls everybody in the stadium knew were coming, and the run-run-pass on 3rd and long look just before halftime cost the Bears 3 crucial points when Connor Barth shanked yet another field goal (more on that later). Chicago’s coaches clearly don’t care that the offense is most effective when they mix things up; when they get into scoring range, the priority seemingly shifts from moving the ball to avoiding a turnover so they can make sure to at least attempt a long field goal with a notoriously unreliable kicker. That approach makes perfect sense to me.
  • It was another strong effort by Jordan Howard on the ground in difficult situations. He ran the ball 23 times for 102 yards, buoyed by a big 50 yard run from the shadow of his own end zone. Chicago keeps running him into 8-9 man boxes expecting the run, and he keeps fighting for every yard that’s there, then breaking off a huge run periodically. His efficiency stats can’t be very good right now, but Howard has run well. You can’t say the same about his efforts through the air, as Howard dropped a walk-in touchdown that hit him between the numbers without a defender near him for the 2nd time this year.
  • WR Tre McBride had something of a breakout game, catching 3 of the 4 balls thrown his way for 92 yards. If he can continue to at least be moderately productive, the passing game could improve when the newly acquired Dontrelle Inman replaces the useless Tanner Gentry (1 target, 0 catches) in the starting lineup.
  • The loss of tight end Zach Miller cannot be overlooked for this offense. He was their best and most-reliable pass catcher, a title that now transfers to 5’6″ rookie running back Tarik Cohen (until Inman hopefully takes the mantle). This also opens the door for rookie Adam Shaheen to increase his playing time, though it’s worth noting Daniel Brown played over him in passing situations late in the game. Shaheen got his 2nd target of the season in the red zone in the 1st half, but was unable to get to his spot against a safety who was significantly smaller than him.
  • Speaking of Cohen, Chicago’s usage of him continues to evolve. He carried the ball 4 times, received 3 pass targets, and returned both punts and kickoffs. It was a mixed bag overall, but he did score his 1st career rushing touchdown (when the Bears finally ran out of a shotgun look, something I’ve been asking for all season), had a big kickoff return, and was wide open for a large gain (and potential touchdown) in the passing game, but Trubisky misfired on the pass. It feels like the Bears are finally figuring out how Cohen should be used. He’s a complementary weapon who needs limited touches but can make a few explosive plays per game.
  • Credit to the offensive line for playing a pretty solid game in a tough road environment despite losing 2 of their 3 best starters. They provided pretty good pass protection for Trubisky, and only picked up one pre-snap penalty in the notoriously loud Superdome.

Defense

  • Chicago gave up a touchdown to the Saints on the opening drive of the game, which almost always results in a loss for the Bears under John Fox. Sure enough, that’s exactly what happened.
  • Credit to the defense for a quality effort on the road against one of the best offenses in the NFL. They didn’t dominate like they had the last few weeks, but they held New Orleans in check, kept battling, and even forced a few turnovers by a notoriously turnover-stingy offense. This is absolutely one of the top defenses in the NFL.
  • Credit ILB Christian Jones with another quality day. The 4th year player started the season as Chicago’s 4th ILB, but two injuries forced him into play and he has more than held his own. He provided quality coverage and run defense all day, forced a fumble, and came close to forcing another one.
  • Another young player who pieced together a 2nd quality game was 2nd year DE Johnathan Bullard. He had a key forced fumble late and made some other nice stops against the run. After a great training camp and start to the preseason, an injury slowed Bullard for a while, but he seems to be rounding into form and breaking out in the way many expected this year. That makes an already scary defensive line even better for the Bears.
  • Another week, another sack by Akiem Hicks. That makes 7 through 8 games, a wow number for any defender, much less a 3-4 defensive lineman. Hicks should find his name on many midseason all-pro teams in the next few weeks, and honestly should be in the conversation for defensive player of the year right now.
  • 2nd year OLB Leonard Floyd continued to bounce back from a slow start to the season, picking up his 5th sack and nearly forcing a Drew Brees fumble on another play. Between Hicks and Floyd, the Bears have two big-time playmakers in their front 7.
  • One area where Chicago’s defense struggled some today, especially early,  was open field tackling. There were a few too many big plays in the first half where a player in the back 7 missed a tackle. New Orleans’ offense does a great job stressing defenders by isolating them in space, and Chicago was not up to the task early on. To their credit, they adjusted nicely and held New Orleans to only 6 points (3 coming off of a turnover) after halftime.

Special Teams

  • Another week, a few more key special teams mistakes. On the game’s first drive, Kyle Fuller lined up offsides on a Saints field goal attempt, giving New Orleans a 1st and goal, which promptly turned into a touchdown.
  • Later in the game, Connor Barth missed a 47 yard field goal, making him 7 for 11 on the season. Barth is 3/7 beyond 40 yards, and only 2/5 from 40-49 yards this year. The mediocre journeyman never should have been brought back after a mediocre 2016 season, but something will be seriously wrong in Halas Hall if Barth is still a Bear coming out of the bye.
  • Credit the special teams for a big return late in the game that gave the offense one final chance to tie. Tarik Cohen was returning kickoffs for the first time this year, and he finally took one out of the end zone, with excellent results. Cohen’s speed and shiftiness gives the potential for a big play with good blocking.

Officiating

  • Wow, that was ugly. When Zach Miller incredibly held on to a one-handed catch while breaking his leg, the NFL somehow overturned the touchdown despite not having a single replay angle that even suggested the ball had touched the ground. You’re supposed to need indisputable evidence to overturn a call, and there was nothing to even say the original call might have been wrong. That was absurd.
  • There were also 4 near-fumbles by the Saints that were ruled down by contact or an incomplete pass. I’m sure plenty of Bears fans will point to at least one of those as additional officiating mistakes, but I think they were all correct, just bad luck for the Bears. In the fourth quarter, they finally did force and recover 2 fumbles.
  • Late in the game, the refs handed Chicago a gift when they called a phantom face mask on New Orlean’s defense, giving the Bears 1st and goal at the 1 yard line.

Overall

It was a frustrating loss for the Bears to end the first half of the season at 3-5. The record isn’t great, and they very likely aren’t going to the playoffs this year, but the 2nd half of the season should be very fun. There are a plethora of exciting young players to watch on both sides of the ball, including a talented rookie QB who should continue to get better. For the first time since 2013, there is real hope in Chicago.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    Opportunity lost.

    • Absolutely. Lots of things you can point to here that were self-inflicted. They had their chances to win this game.

      • Bear Instincts

        Rookie growing pains. Looking forward to seeing his growth as the season continues.

        • SC Dave

          Trubisky showed NOTHING to be encouraged about.

          Unless you like white RB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not today. But he has done, and he will do. NO are good.

          • Bear Instincts

            He will learn and get better. This is what I was warning about warning about: let the offense play and get to know each other. Let them work out the mistake early.

            These are the growing pains of a rookie qb and an offense that is coming together

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            NO HE SUCKS ASS. THERE IS NO POTENTIAL. *sarcasm

          • SC Dave

            I hope so.

        • AlbertInTucson

          No!

          He must be GREAT right NOW!*
          .
          .
          .
          .
          *Sarcasm.

      • SC Dave

        Offsides on a freaking FG attempt.
        Our shitty FG kicker,

        A questionable loss of 4 points on an overturned TD.

        Yes, indeed.

  • First to say, Bye-by season.

    Al doesn’t do “firsts” so this counts.

  • Here’s my thinking with Trubisky: the accuracy was great in college and this preseason. It’s a problem now. That tells me he’s overthinking and aiming his throws too much instead of just throwing.

    It happens often with a shooter in basketball. Miss one or two shots, then you start thinking about it. Instead of shooting, you’re aiming the ball. I think the same thing is happening to Trubisky right now.

    • SC Dave

      He better figure something out, because based on today he does not belong as an NFL starter.

      Not even close.

      • WP4Life

        Talk a walk Dave

        • SC Dave

          Did you watch the game? He’s scared, inaccurate, and ineffective.

          • WP4Life

            Scared… Really.

      • Bender McLugh

        Take a fucking drink Dave, good lordy man.

        • SC Dave

          Same reply. Did you watch the game? He’s scared, inaccurate, and ineffective.

          • Bender McLugh

            Yes I watched, and you are overreacting my man. Mitch wasn’t his best but those receivers didn’t have the best day either.

      • It’s his 2nd career road start, and he had two touchdowns get dropped. You are WAY overreacting.

    • That Guy

      He’s overthrowing. His long balls are sailing. He’s getting a bit of the yips, putting too much on throws because throwing long means INC, where throwing too short means INT.

      More reps will either fix the problem or show that he’ll never fix it.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Wow, Data. That was quick.

    In retrospect, Mitch had a rough game. 14 for 32. As was pointed out though, Tarik mis-timed his jump on that long pass – kid is 5’6 .. he has to play bigger. Miller caught a perfectly good TD.

    Canning Deonte for Gentry is just a mystery.

    Amos had a beautiful strip.

    Once MT gets his sea legs and has Dontrelle clued up, we’ll be better, and we’ll help out the defense.

    One more loss to Philly. Playoffs. Believe.

    • SC Dave

      5’6″ has to play bigger?

      Are you fucking kidding?

      Fir GODS FUCKING SAKE you chumps will do ANYTHING to slurp Trubisky’s cock.

      You dont throw jumpballs to a midget.

      Instead, you thriw the fucking ball too long and let the speedy little fucker run under it

      • Irish Sweetness

        Even the commentators said so. Pass was a little high, but catchable. And it’s called supporting your team, Dave. His career is 4 games old.

    • SC Dave

      14 of 32.

      He got the attempts you wanted. Happy with the result?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        yes.

      • Malice Halice

        Of the 18 misses how many were deflected n dropped?

        • SC Dave

          Deflected at the LOS is as often as not the QB’s fault.

          The more important question is how many were not throws of the caliber of a worthy NFL starter?

          Do you have gamepass? I’ll point them out for you on the film.

      • Bear Instincts

        Practice makes perfect. How many attempts has he had the last 3 weeks?

  • SC Dave

    Later. I might read all the excuses for Trubisky. But for now, I’ll just ssy he’s nothing special.

    McCown or Hoyer would have won for us today. Trubisky didn’t.

    Is his inexperience enough to excuse his obvious lack of execution?

    Gawd I hope so.

    He cant throw. He cant find receivers. He made one run.

    Color me unconvinced.

    Big. Time. Unconvinced.

    • Irish Sweetness

      ONE RUN? HE HAD 3 FOR 53 YARDS!

      • SC Dave

        FFS… whatever.

      • SC Dave

        You’re hilarious. Do I need to go back to the middle of the week where you were extolling how great the Bears WRs are? Do I? Really?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Was he knob-slobbering over our WRs?

          • SC Dave

            Yup.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Week 8 of the 2017 NFL season is here. Here are the injuries we are tracking on Sunday.

    1. Chicago Bears tight end Zach Miller was carted off the field after suffering an apparent leg injury while attempting a catch in the end zone during the third quarter. Miller quickly was ruled out for the rest of the game, and coach John Fox told reporters he suffered a dislocated knee and was taken to a local hospital.

    Bears guard Kyle Long suffered a hand injury against the New Orleans Saints. Offensive lineman Cody Whitehair sustained an elbow injury.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Miller’s season is done. Dislocated knee.

  • SC Dave

    Oh, and Data, fuck your opinion and everyone else’s for blaming Howard because a shit throw from a nothing QB made him have to again turn around and catch a ball going backwards that a fucking HS QB could throw better.

    Go watch both of them. Both SHIT throws by your savior QB. Who cant fucking throw except in a 4th preseason game against guys lucky to make a practice squad in the big leagues.

    • TBC

      u mad bro

      • SC Dave

        Shit, Cheesy. You’ve seen the knob-slobbing here. Over a kid that has shown nothing outside of a 4th preseason games against non-NFL players.

        Do I hope for better? Of course. But it is what it is.

        Oh, and I’m glad Erin is out. So we can see Hundley be better than Trubisky.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He had the ball in his grasp, Dave.

      • SC Dave

        Yes, falling backwards because he had to change his trajectory.

        A decent HS QB throw and its a walkin TD

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t think anyone is blaming Howard for the loss. We scored with Cohen anyway.

          • SC Dave

            Its not that. Its calling him on a drop when the primary fault was a TERRIBLE throw

          • Irish Sweetness

            And the long floater to McBride? The TD to Miller? Great throws. Bad QBs can’t make great throws.

          • SC Dave

            Of course they can. Unless you think Barkley isnt bad.

            Which is fair

      • SC Dave

        So are the coaches and the GM. Get behind them.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Did MT kick your dog?

      • RenoBear

        It’s weird, man…. the venom from this guy about a rookie making his 4th start with no receiving weapons. Yeah he’s struggling… anybody would. Weird shit. Dave, glad you are such an accurate judge of QB potential from your bar stool after four starts…

        • SC Dave

          It’s just my counter to all the knob slobbing over a gut that has shown nothing.

          Nothing.

          Just watch all tje excuses this coming two weeks. It’s the Cutler excuse making all over again.

          At least Cutler had an arm

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Can I ask who is “knob slobbing”? seems to me most of us realize that he is a rookie and will have some growing pains, yet we do see potential. You seem to be the one going off the deep end on negativity towards him.

          • Bear Instincts

            Yes there are some excues because he is our qb. But he is also a rookie. He has not we weapons. What do you expect?

          • SC Dave

            I expect you to stop calling him “great”. That’s all. He’s proved NOTHING.

          • Malice Halice

            I didn’t see the game but u sound like a lone wolf makin a good point. We don’t have a overnight success story qb but we STILL have a great qb tho. I

          • SC Dave

            How can you say that? A “great QB” has to play better than a lower tier JAG, which is Mitch *to date*.

            Will he get better? I sure as fuck hope so. But right now, we have a average to poor QB.

            You are EXACTLY the knob-slobberer that I post against. There is ZERO OBJECTIVE evidence to suggest that MT is a “great” QB. If he SOMEHOW struggled to “doesn’t suck”, I’d take it as a good start.

          • RenoBear

            I gotcha. No knob slobbing here, I, too, see some mild concerns arising… mainly like Data said about aiming the football. His mechanics are all goofed up right now, he doesn’t step into his throws because he seems skittish in the pocket. Thankfully, hopefully, that can be remedied with more experience and coaching

          • Irish Sweetness

            For sure. I wanted Watson, but I’ll support the kid until he goes down in flames … in a few years. And I hope he doesn’t, obviously.

          • SC Dave

            I hope not too, Irish. Seriously. But I think he does.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mitch has an arm Dave. Jesus. He threw some bullets today.

            And now we want interceptions???

          • SC Dave

            Based on the 4th preseason game?

          • SC Dave

            There is a difference between having an arm and being able to throw. See Bobby Douglas. Or Vince Evans, Or…

          • Mike Stella

            How would the Bears look with Watson at QB?

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      It wasn’t a bad throw…Howard tried to run with it before he secured the ball because he really wanted a touchdown. Mitch had pressure and got it away to an open man.

      Even without yardage after the catch,, the 7 yard gain would have been a first down or close near the goal line.

      • SC Dave

        Okay, I will grant you that. He should have caught it anyway. But DAMN, when you’re that open… stop Dave. Watch the tape.

        My assertion is that a good ball would have been an easy TD, just like the last time. So I’ll watch it a bunch of times on gamepass because I can.

        Last week when I challenged the assertion that Cohen dropped a “perfect back shoulder pass”, ultimately there was nary a peep.

        Maybe because they watched the tape?
        Or ignored me.
        Perfect reason in either case.

    • That Guy

      Fuck you, Dave. Just fuck you.

      Stop acting like your shit doesn’t smell because you think Trubisky sucks. Stop telling those of us who see promise and potential in the kid that we’re blind and treating him like a “savior.”

      Fuck you and your high horse.

      Some of us are hopeful and see the kid as having a good future. We might be wrong. You might be right. But you can’t KNOW this. Just because someone pissed in your soup doesn’t mean you get to tell the rest of us we’re blind.

      Get bent, you fucking jagoff.

      • SC Dave

        Of course I don’t know, just as you don’t.

        I’m just playing the yin to the yang of Mitchell as the “great” QB. Hopefully the bye will help.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Watching HOU-SEA.

    Watson has Hopkins and Fuller (2 TDs already).

    Now swap out those two for Gentry and McBride or Wright …. whilst handing it off to Miller on 1st and 2nd Downs …..

    • SC Dave

      Handing off to fucking who??

      I habe a better idea. Get a QB who can throw.

      For gods fucking sake, WARCH HOW SHITTY MITCH THROWS THE FUCKING BALL.

      I never thought I’d like Cutler back, but….

      • Irish Sweetness

        He wasn’t great today, no. A few wobbly passes too. That was weird.

        • SC Dave

          Not weird at all. The M.O. except for a preseason game against guys lucky to be on a practice squad.

          Gawd, I hope he gets better. Pace certainly PAID for it.

    • Bear Instincts

      Coming this offseason

  • AlbertInTucson

    Is it just ME or has somebody gone completely “Troll” with his Trubisky diatribes?

    • Malice Halice

      Dave is DEFINITELY assuring me that I’m glad I didn’t see the game.

      • Malice Halice

        I had to ride shotgun to catch up on the frustrations

      • Irish Sweetness

        It was interesting. Wait til you see Zack Miller’s perfect TD, that wasn’t.

        • Malice Halice

          I got a few texts about it, heard its utter BS

          • Irish Sweetness

            PERFECT catch. Never touched the ground, and nobody could see why?

            They went to their ‘expert’ to see why … and there was a long pause. He thought it was good. Everybody thought it was good. And then Tony Soprano got on the phone.

          • Malice Halice

            Damn, so what’s da deal with the Mitchell -18?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Had some good throws, had some bad .. but was mostly only throwing on 3rd and 10.

          • Malice Halice

            Our OC love to keep that boy under pressure.

          • SC Dave

            I’m going to analyze it, and either be wrong, or dis the slobberers. But most likely, end up somewhere in between.

        • SC Dave

          That sucked for sure.

      • SC Dave

        Go watch it, and be objective.

    • Prolly drunk.
      I might be joining him.
      With the beer, not the trub diatribes.

      • SC Dave

        No, not really. Just sick to fucking death of the knobslobbing on a kid that probably won’t amount to much.

        It would be great if he does. but I don’t think so.

        A mediocre QB would have won for us today. We did not have one.

        • Malice Halice

          So did the rookie fuck up ALL 18 incompletions or what?

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Troy Aikman went 0-11 his first season. 55 rating. 9 TDs-11 INTs. Conclusion?

    3 Lombardis and the HOF.

    • Malice Halice

      But he had SAVAGES on his O.

      • Malice Halice

        But I’m wit u tho!

      • Irish Sweetness

        He had Michael Irvin on that team, another HoFer.

        • Malice Halice

          Yep, n that running back.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not in Aikman’s rookie season. Drafted him in ’90.

            Jerra had two nice picks there.

          • Malice Halice

            U right. That should help Dave douse his flame toward da rook.

          • SC Dave

            I am merely working on the knob slobbers. #PlayTheKid types.

          • SC Dave

            That would be Emmitt Smith, the NFL all-time leading RB. The guy that handled the rockalmost 5(fucking),000 times.

      • SC Dave

        Dallas had Minnesota give them a dynasty for Hershall Walker, to start.

        • Malice Halice

          Okay, n Chicago only got 2 maybe 3 good players on our team from the last 10yrs of FA n Drafts. We don’t have that pleasure of comparing Mitchell rookie year with the HOF Manager qb

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    WTF is w. Shaheen?

    Small ass school, but that kid was getting blown up by safeties. 5’11 guys who weighed 185 were putting a 6’6″, 270lb guy on his ass. The NFL may be a bridge too far for that guy.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Terrible second round pick. Should have drafted OL.

    • SC Dave

      Someone that a talentless QB decides not to throw to, for one.

      • You can bitch about Trubisky’s performance to date, but saying he has no talent is just plain false. Everybody drafted that high has absurd talent, it’s just a matter of whether or not it translates to the NFL (which is usually more mental than anything for a QB).

  • We can try an exercise in logic:

    If Fangio gets the credit for D
    And if the D is playing lights out>

    And if Fox has little to do with D
    And is typically blamed for anemic O

    Then why not fire Fox now during the bye and promote Fangio?

    • Corn Pop Janitor

      Because that’s not how the family rolls.

      • I’m trying to figure out what exactly Fox contributes to the team.

        He’s no offensive mastermind.
        I doubt he’s giving any inspirational speeches.
        He’s not making genius half-time adjustments.
        He’s not luring in high end FAs.
        He’s not making gamechanging challenges or clock management.

        In other words, why his he even the HC?

        If the Bears want to demote him to LB coach, I would be ok with that.

        • Corn Pop Janitor

          The team hasn’t quit or rebelled on him, aka Cryptkeeper.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think he’s interfering with his coaches. He’s responsible for pressuring Loggains to run it. has to be ….

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why would anyone promote Fangio?

      The Saints put 400 yards up on us today. Did Fangio strip the ball beautifully from Ingram. He clearly doesn’t preach that like Lovie did. He barely pressure Brees allowing him to do all that.

      Fangio is fucking useless. As is Fox. I’m giving Dowell a pass, because I think Fox is forcing the run narrative on him.

      Who said Fox has little to do with D? That’s not what he said in a presser – he has the main input to all three phases he said. He’s micro-managing.

      • Even if Fangio sucks like Fox (highly debatable, to say the least. Most would say hell no)

        Maybe Fangio allows Birdcage to run a real NFL O.

        What if he does, and Trub begins clicking and they start winning with Fangio at HC?

        He can NOT be worse than Fox.

        That’s my argument.

        And if he is, so what? We’re hiring a new staff next season anyways.

        • Irish Sweetness

          “He can NOT be worse than Fox.”

          Well, there’s that …

          But why Fangio over Chucky?

          • Malice Halice

            Thankyou ! Give Chucky a blank check n full power. Fangio is so fuckin over rated it’s crazy but let that be the professional’s job to decide his tenure in Chicago.

          • Bull Shipp

            Should da hired Andy Reid, end of story.

        • SC Dave

          I would think that the defense would be for the worse, and the O may not be enough better to balance it.

        • Bull Shipp

          To win more than other franchises in the NFL, a Team needs superior coaching and superior talent. Gotta build a team around a smart HC so we’re pretty much facked until that happens.

      • SC Dave

        No one gives your opinions on defense a second thought, dude.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          And you are getting to the point that no one will be giving your opinions on a rookie QB a second thought, dude.

          • SC Dave

            Fair statement. But if ANYONE on this blog should, YOU should understand trolling.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            so you are say that you are just trolling everyone?

          • SC Dave

            I really meant to troll those calling Mitch a “great QB”. Because he has a ways to go to get to average.

    • SC Dave

      Because Fangio would lose focus on coaching the D?

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    Shaheen, Sims and Brown. Ugh.

    Leno-Sowell-Sitton-Compton-Massie?

    Well there goes the running game.

    Gotta make some roster moves during the bye.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jebus.

    • Our Oline program with OGs has a pretty good record.

      Slauson, Long, Sitton, Kush, Whitehair (b4 switched).

      Compton I’m not too worried about.

      But Sowell? Yeah. That seems like a huge downgrade.

      Sitton might be better at C than Whitehair.

      I didn’t notice any off-snaps today.

      • SC Dave

        Compton does look good enough.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Don’t worry. Brainy Ben Braunecker will be promoted off practice squad.

    • Grasu should be back after the bye. Not sure if that’s helpful or not, but he’d likely play over Sowell.

      Not sure if Long and/or Whitehair will be back by next game in 2 weeks or not.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    The history of the Steele dossier Trump referenced today in tweets is a complicated one. During the 2016 Republican primaries, the conservative Washington Free Beacon paid the Washington firm Fusion GPS to investigate Trump’s background and, eventually, his business ties to Russia, The publication receives financial support from billionaire GOP donor Paul Singer, according to two people familiar with Singer, whose firm did not respond to requests seeking comment. Several Washington pundits have stated on today’s morning show that Singer was a large donor of Jeb Bush and may have commissioned the dossier at the Bush family behest. While Trump has pushed to muddy the waters with allegations that the DNC bankrolled the report, this appears not to be the case. -WaPo

    Something to keep in mind when Manafort gets the perp walk manana.

    The pee pee taoe is real!

    • SC Dave

      No one of more than half a wit gives a fuck.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Tea baggers here fully on board Orange Chimpanzee train. They will eat Orange Chimpanzee’s shit and say it is caviar.

      Just look at the first reply to you.

      • SC Dave

        No one cares about your opinions in these matters either. In fact, most the blog would block you were you not a clown with a fake account.

    • SC Dave

      No one with more than half a wit cares.

  • SC Dave

    The end of this article…”including a talented rookie QB who should continue to get better”.

    I sure hope you’re right, because I don’t see it. Certainly the “data” doesn’ t support it.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Why can’t we make the playoffs, Data? The stretch before the bye was always going to be rough.

    But after?

    Hundley’s Packers? Win. The Lions? Two wins, quite possibly. Vikings? Possible sweep. Eagles? Loss.
    49ers? Win. Bengals? We can beat them. Browns have the league’s best Run D, but a win.

    So one definite loss. If two, we’re 9-7.

    It’s all there to do, but not impossible.

    • SC Dave

      Plausible, but we need better play from the most important position on offense. Or let our best player run the fucking ball on 3rd and 1, and on 4th and 2 if need be, late in the game.

    • CanadaBear

      If there is a sweep between the Bears and the queens it will be the queens doing the sweeping. Probably split with the loins. They will fuck up and lose a game that is there to win. Best case 4-4 in the second half.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • Malice Halice

      WTF n HOLYSHIT! Great catch but da leg tho! Zebras can go to hell

      • Irish Sweetness

        Said he lost control when his knee separated … but you tell me where that happened.

        • Malice Halice

          I was thinkin da same thing! How tf he held on to it whilest enduring a injury like that but he DID!

        • He lost control while falling, but regained it without the ball ever hitting the ground.

          That’s my thing. To overturn you need indisputable evidence the ball hit the ground. I haven’t seen anything to even suggest that might have happened.

          • BerwynBomber

            I thought the ball moved when his arm hit the ground. He maintained possession but I suspect the movement was what caused the overturn.

            My biggest problem with the overturn is the whole “indisputable evidence” of the rule. The league doesn’t adhere to that. The original on the field call never has as much precedence as you would think. Happens too frequently.

          • The ball moving is only a problem if it hits the ground or he goes out of bounds. Neither happened here.

            He lost control, but the ball was still on his body. Then he regained control and caught it.

          • BerwynBomber

            I thought it hit the ground and moved. That was my first reaction upon seeing the replay. An uh-oh …

          • SC Dave

            I did not think the overturned fumble was definitive either, but that’s what gamepass is for.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    what’s the over/under on the number times Dave says “knob-slobbering” today?

    • SC Dave

      Depends on how many more Trub excuses I hear. He was bad. We lost.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Is it just Trub excuses or can we knob-slobber over other players too?

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Who’s knob is getting slobbered and by whom? I like getting my knob slobbered.

      • BearDown100393

        He has not been good since his last pre-season appearance.

        The clock should start ticking on Pace.

    • willbest

      I honestly don’t know why he is upset. Its not like we have been conditioned to expect a whole lot out of the QB position over the years.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Good job Texans who kneeled and didn’t care how mad Tea Baggers get when anyone kneels.


    Most Texans players kneeled and linked arms during the national anthem today after their owner’s ‘inmates’ comment

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/29/texans-players-kneeling-national-anthem-nfl-protests-bob-mcnair?utm_campaign=sinow&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si

    • SC Dave

      No one cares, assclown.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Ok, Orange Chimpanzee supporting Tea Bagger.

    • willbest

      Considering how big a deal you considered colluding with Russia, I am shocked you haven’t swallowed a bullet knowing you were carrying water for them by trumping up a dossier they helped the clinton campaign manufacture.

      Oh wait, you are a narcissistic shit stain. nevermind. Carry on troll

      • BerwynBomber

        The Trump dossier was originally financed by a conservative group that was supportive of Jeb Bush. News just came out about it in the last couple of days. Hence, the whole Fox circle jerk that it was evil Hillary behind it has been trumped.

        • willbest

          To be clear this is the Free Beacon’s official stance

          “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele
          dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with,
          knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher
          Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion
          GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the
          Clinton campaign.”

          I suppose they could be lying, but that isn’t a politicians denial. They didn’t leave themselves any wiggle room to get out. Since they know that the FBI is going to turn over evidence to the House Committee and the House is also likely to get Fusion’s bank records that seems rather foolish if they did have anything to do with it.

          But we have more evidence.

          Steele was supposedly hired in June 2016 but Free Beacons contract with Fusion GPS ended in May 2016. By this time The Clinton campaign had funneled a ~$100k deposit to Fusion GPS through Perkins Coie (they didn’t disclose this transaction in their FEC filings and so this would be a violation of campaign finance laws).

          So while Fusion GPS might have done Oppo for a GOP outfit, the Russian deep dive was purely a Clinton-DNC deal.

          • BerwynBomber

            Keep trying. Yours and Trump’s echo chamber might one day supplant the Mueller investigation but I doubt it.

          • willbest

            “After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf
            of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins
            Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates
            — including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that
            Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather
            information.”

            From that right-wing echo chamber the New York Times

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html

            I like this point too but then again that is just the echo chamber talking

            “There has been no public corroboration of the salacious allegations
            against Mr. Trump, nor of the specific claims about coordination between
            his associates and the Russians. In fact, some of those claims have
            been challenged with supporting evidence.”

      • SC Dave

        I like that… time for an edit.

    • Cormonster

      Wait, I thought the kneeling was supposed to be a protest against unpunished police brutality against blacks. So outside of a few original protesters, all the other players have basically co-opted the issue and made it about themselves after the Trump tweet and owner comment? Why, I’m shocked!

      • BerwynBomber

        Well if it is about police brutality and the owner is calling the players inmates …

  • Irish Sweetness

    Nick Rose kicks 80 yard FGs in practice???

    YO RYAN!

  • SC Dave

    “The overall stat line (14/32, 164 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 46.9 rating) looks ugly, but his performance was not that bad.”

    Gee, for the guy that made his rep here on the numbers, I guess they don’t REALLY count. There is da narrative to maintain, after all.

    • Malice Halice

      I hear ya man! I’m swallowing the pill 8 mo times this year but I REFUSE to say shit like that next year. I’ve said it before, we need a ZERO-TOLERANCE attitude for mediocre n shitty play for those wearing GSH. But a bad game for a rookie is INEVITABLE

      • BearDown100393

        Mediocrity has become the standard of excellence for some here. And that is why this team bombs year in year out.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Numbers and data are fake news. I don’t know why an Orange Chimpanzee supporting Tea Bagger would believe in numbers.

    • Stats are part of the story, but not the entire story (especially in small sample sizes). Trubisky was not good today, but he was not sub-50 passer rating bad either.

      Like I said, there was good and bad. He made some big plays through the air and with his legs, but missed on way too many throws. He also got fooled on some stuff by exotic looks and missed seeing a few open guys because he’s a rookie.

      • SC Dave

        I’m fine with being fooled because he’s a rookie. I’m not fine with weeks of bad passes. Maybe you’re right that he’s trying to steer the ball. But damn, man, he has to start throwing the ball as if he knows how. Like, *consistently*

        • Agreed. The baffling part is everything I’ve seen until the last few weeks days he should be good at that. It was one of his strengths in college and showed up in a big way this preseason too. Accuracy is a trait that should translate. You don’t suddenly forget how to throw.

          I can say he’s a rookie for the mental mistakes. It shouldn’t make a difference with accuracy, which is why I said that’s the part of his performance today that had me most worried.

          • SC Dave

            Well, we agree on that. Maybe I’m too harsh, but I have seen accuracy problems since he’s started. Granted small sample sizes, but still uniformly bad.

          • BearDown100393

            His pocket throwing mechanics are Gawd awful.

      • BearDown100393

        He froze like a statue, played scared, was inaccurate and made bad decisions.

        Kind of like what you would expect from a guy with extremely limited college experience now expected to start in the NFL.

        This is all on Pace.

        • Big Mike

          Wrong

          • BearDown100393

            Yeah. Right.

        • CanadaBear

          Playing scared is BS.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Biggest and most frustrating issue I had with this game was our awful and predictable offensive play calling. Fox and the offensive coordinator need to be shown the door. Hole crap not until we were in desperation mode in the last quarter did the play calling got a tad better a tad mind you a very small tad as tads go. Unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.

    • SC Dave

      To me, the most frustrating play was being OFFSIDE on an FG attempt. Really? Didn’t ANY of those three guys LOOK?

      • BearDown100393

        No they did not.

        • SC Dave

          lol… one would assume. Unless they are *really* stupid.

          • BearDown100393

            Reflects coaching. And lack of attention.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think you can lay that one on Rodgers. Fuller wasn’t even close to being onside. That’s not a difficult concept to grasp for any player. Esp one that has been in the league 3+ years.

    • BearDown100393

      This is what Fox does. There should be no surprise. Birdcage and Trubisky are a complete mismatch. The coaching staff is outgoing. The quarterback is the #2 pick. It is not really that hard to understand why the dots refuse to connect.

      • SC Dave

        Excuses, excuses. Throw the ball straight and the problems disappear.

        • BearDown100393

          Trubisky has not demonstrated that capability.

  • BuddhaJoe

    Rough offense. Shitty play calls combined with shitty qb play by the rook equals loss. Shame because the D did more than you can hope for but that shit is gonna happen with a rookie qb. Just gotta hope he learns from it.

    • SC Dave

      On the play-calling side, I’m not going to bitch too much other than what I’ve posted (ad nauseum I’m sure) during games – 1st down is a really good time to call play action*.

      I keep thinking we run EVERY TIME on first down because we’re trying to set something up, but the “thing” never happens. I’m a little at a loss for it all.

      * Edit: I think they did it once. And the pass was no good. Practice, practice.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Not gonna try and sugercoat Trub’s work but he definitely not put in a situation to succeed either.

        • BearDown100393

          How much effort does the outgoing coaching staff really put into his development during the week?

  • Sheesh the overreactions on here. Last week you’re all saying Bears are going to the playoffs, now they lose a close game on the road to a likely playoff team and everybody needs to be fired.

    It’s a talented young team on the rise. Like I said before the season started, the window opens starting in 2018. For now, enjoy the ride.

    • BearDown100393

      The only talent is on the defensive side of the football and Jordan Howard carrying the rock.

      The offense is a dumpster on fire.

      Be honest.

      • Big Mike

        Disagree. Even given their challenges, if Kyle Fuller lines up correctly, and Jordan Howard could catch a ball the Bears would have won. Lots of small things. Clearly need more talent but not a dumpster fire

        • BearDown100393

          Today alone cost this team their TE and 2 starts on the O-line. Cohen is already playing out of position. It goes down hill from here.

          • Big Mike

            But they still are competing and close to winning. Never was about this year. Not as far away as everyone thinks.

          • BearDown100393

            None of this matters without Mitch Trubisky proving to be a starting quarterback.

          • SC Dave

            It all matters.

          • BearDown100393

            Because it was all going so well before the trigger was pulled acquiring Cutler.

        • SC Dave

          Bad throw to Howard. Competent throw is walkin TD.

          • CanadaBear

            It wasn’t a great throw but any back that can catch consistently should have caught it and walked in.

      • BuddhaJoe

        The WRs are the issue. They have talent on the line and they have RBs. TE is to be determined, especially now that Miller has gotten his annual injury.

        • BearDown100393

          The line is disintegrating. Lost 2 today.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Yeah that hurts. Comptons ok but losing Whitehair too is hard

          • BearDown100393

            Compton was serviceable. But the loss of both Long and Whitehair is quite serious. And it forces Trubisky to react to pressure that much quicker. Which he is not ready to do. It will also impact Howard finding those openings going up the middle. The bye week at this time is invaluable.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Didn’t you say Whitehair was JAG?

          • BearDown100393

            Worse than a JAG if he cannot snap properly. Wasn’t an issue today. But replacing him is a problem.

          • There’s a simple solution to that.
            Move WH to OG

          • BearDown100393

            Sure. But the Bears seem determined to draft players and then convert their positions to areas of deficiency. Because it is stupid and illogical.

          • No argument there.
            But going forward it’s not much of a concern for me since like you said, he NEVER played C in college.

            If Sitton does well at C, the next regime will likely correct Fox’s dumb assery and keep him there and kick out WH.

          • BearDown100393

            We can only hope. Converting position destroyed Long.

        • madscout12

          Pretty much this. The lack of easy throws is maddening. The 1st read is never there.

  • Scharfinator

    Damn, you’d think the Bears shat in everyone’s cereal bowls this morning.

    Must have been a brutal game. I am thankful I was celebrating my wedding anniversary instead 🙂

    • Happy anniversary

    • BearDown100393

      You missed nothing.

    • Bender McLugh

      Congrats!

    • Gratz.

      b4 u put on the game, I suggest pouring a lil gin in that koolaid

    • SC Dave

      More frustrating than brutal. Except for the zebras – that was brutal.

    • beninnorcal

      Congratulations

    • CanadaBear

      Happy Anniversary! It wasn’t that bad at all. If you have reasonable expectations of MT it was a so-so performance. Some good plays, some duds, a beat slow reading the D and beat and half slow delivering the ball. Frustrating for sure but the talent is there. Hope he speeds that part up in the second half. NO was a better team and they won. Don’t watch the replays of Miller’s catch. It will totally piss you off and make you feel queasy at the same time.

      • Scharfinator

        Thanks! And yeah, the screen cap of his leg was enough for me. Brutal.

  • BerwynBomber

    Say what you want about Watson but he is carrying HOU halfway thru his rookie season. Valiant effort in SEA.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      absolutely.But he has one of the best defenses in the league with also some of the best wide receivers.

      Giving his first paycheck to Houston flooding relief said wonders about the kid.

      He is a leader.

      • BearDown100393

        And plays for a terrible boss.

        • He prefers the nickname “the warden” because inmates give their 25K paycheck to victims all the time.

          • BearDown100393

            McNair is garbage. Unlike his players.

      • BerwynBomber

        Their D has taken a step back because of the losses of Watt and Mercellus.

        • SC Dave

          I would think most defenses would losing two guys like them.

    • Him and Wilson look more the same than not.

      I wondered if Watson’s “It” factor was enough to redeem his shortcomings.

      So far it looks like it is.

      He just seems to know when to do exactly what his team needs.

      Knows when to tuck and run. Knows when to throw 50/50 bombs. Knows when to dump off, throw it away, etc

      Naturally, he doesn’t get it right all the time, but his acumen is light years ahead of what many thought it would be at this level.

      The best WR tandem doesn’t hurt either.

      • BerwynBomber

        Seahawks have allowed 38+ points 3 times since 2010.

        2015 Cardinals (Palmer MVP runner up)
        2016 Packers (Rodgers finished 3rd in MVP)
        2017 Texans (Watson rookie)

        • Watson and Alex Smith my first half MVPs
          Rook of the yr Hunt
          DPOY gotta go with Hicks, obviously biased

          • BerwynBomber

            I’ll go with Wentz as first half MVP.

          • BearDown100393

            If Watson is your co-MVP how the hell is he not the ROY?

          • Well, he is, but decided to drop Hunt in there for variety since QBs get all the love.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hopkins had 224 yards, and Fuller 125!!

  • BearDown100393

    “We know tonight what Bears are. Great defense. No offense. Ready to make leap in 2018 if QB keeps progressing.”

    The defense is very good.
    The offense is non-existent.
    The QB is not improving.
    Hire a proper staff. Hope the results will be the same as Goff in Year 2.
    Otherwise fire Pace and start over.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We have some good players there, but the Saints did put up 400yards on us. Though we did keep Brees out of the endzone.

      However, The defense is – compared to the rest of the league … not ‘very good’:

      The Bears D is 19th in rushing yards allowed, though12th on average rush. That’s not very good.

      We are 19th in passing yards allowed, 14th in average YPP. That’s not very good.

      We are 25th in Interceptions.

      18th in Passes defensed.

      13th in Forced Fumbles.

      Positives? We are 6th in Sacks. Not bad.

      • They have one of the top 5 defenses in the NFL right now. You are fucking insane for bashing them continually after how they have played in the last month.

        In the month of October they gave up 4 TDs and scored three of their own (plus a safety). All this despite a shitty offense that keeps them on the field too much and frequently puts them in bad field position.

        Bitch about minor stats all you want. This defense is loaded with talent at all three levels and absolutely balling.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’m not bashing anyone, I’m doing what you do, quoting numbers. I love my D.

          Minor stats??? I listed all the basic stats a a defense can put up.

          Bitching? Someone said we have a very good defense – statistically, we don’t.
          I’ll call bullshit where I see fit.

          PPG – that’s one area we do well. 5th. Okay, so we’re 5th in Points allowed (very good).6th in sacks (very good), but in all other areas not so much.

          They’re just facts.

          So support your ” top 5 defense” statement, Mr. Data.

          • But isn’t PPG the NUMBER ONE stat?

            PPG.
            Sacks/pressures. TOs

            Which D would you prefer this year over the Bears?

            Can you name 3 off the top of your head?

          • WP4Life

            Not to.long ago we were just hoping to not get embarrassed by 30 to 50.

          • Bull Shipp

            This is spot on.

          • Bull Shipp

            Lots of teams with great D’s end up 1 and done in the playoffs if therequired O can’t score. Same holds true with the reverse. If the Bears remain decent on D and can build an offense that can put points on the board, they’ll have a fighters chance to compete. Bears fans better hope Trubinsky is the answer because if he aint, Katy better bar the door.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I guess it is the number one stat, come to think of it. How many points do you score, how many get scored against you. Okay, fair enough.

            But the numbers do tell a tale. I was just seeing where we stood across the board.

            And I’m not knocking the D, I do like our D. The DL has two nice players, CJ has been a great stand-in. The safeties have done well, and so has Fuller.

            Sorry if it came off like I was having a go.

          • WP4Life

            What is the most important stat? I would say PPG.

            Belicheat… would say stats are for losers.

          • What wins games? And I said right now, they weren’t at this level the first month. But they have stepped it up a notch and are now great, not just good.

            I don’t give a damn about yards on defense. It’s so situational, teams that re playing from ahead routinely give up more yardage, nit it’s meaningless.

            They just had a month of football where they scored almost as many TD as they gave up. That’s all the defense I need.

            You can see that they’re making the leap in how they play. Finally looking to make plays,not just avoid giving them up. Every time a defender knows help is nearby, they’re going for the strip. That’s why they forced 2 fumbles today, and came damn close on four more.

          • BerwynBomber

            Our overall DVOA was 13th heading into today. In Aikman’s efficiency rankings we were 12th.

      • BerwynBomber

        Causing two Ingram fumbles was a much bigger accomplishment than not allowing a Brees TD. Brees still had a very efficient game — 23/28 for 299 and a 111 PR.

        The Ingram fumbles not only kept us in the game but almost allowed us to steal it.

  • BearDown100393
    • Scharfinator

      Shit man, fuck football. I hope that guy can walk and run normally again some day.

    • SC Dave

      And they took away the catch.

  • Well, on a SLIGHTLY positive note, Birdcage opened up the O from the 1940s to the mid 70s.

    Some things he did that non Pop Warner teams do.

    – Screens. Remember those? I think HBP counted 2.
    – Jet sweep. Like I’ve been saying for a month now. Cohen flying across the LOS will draw the attention of the defenders. They happened to run it w Howard for 5 yds or so.
    – Zone-read. Trub gave it to Cohen who flew over for a TD, but if Trub had kept it, he could’ve moonwalked in
    – QB draw. Not sure if it was entirely designed that way, but looked like it. The announcer wondered the same since it did look like one esp since Trub won’t chew his food unless ordered to.
    – Deep to intermediate throws. Didn’t always connect (like with Cohen) but some did like with McBride.
    At they tried.

    I’m still unclear why they don’t do other things (like PA) but at least this is a small step bellbottomed step forward.

    I also think the rollout right should be scaled back. Ds are prepared for it, and we don’t have any real receivers (esp now with Miller down) to get separation. Seems like Trub is always forced to throw across his body to a smothered WR when he rolls right – a recipe for disaster.

    • BearDown100393

      He has 3 go to moves – Hand off, Roll right and shot gun. Very limited.

    • I want to see some run pass option. It’s such a staple of most NFL offense now, and failing to do that just makes it too easy to defend.

      A shotgun run today is hopefully a step in that direction.

      • And it’s what Trub is used to, which makes its absence all the more baffling.

        I can only guess either Fox or Pace is commanding Birdcage not to infuse some of it into the O in some archaic mentality of trying to make him a traditional dropback QB.

        • BearDown100393

          A NFL QB needs to at least appear to be a threat in the pocket.

          • He’s definitely struggling in the pocket right now. Looks best when they speed it up, give him some quick slants on three step drops. The slower stuff is almost always a disaster.

            Of course, good coaches coach to their players’ strengths instead of trying to force their players’ to adapt to the coaches’ preference.

          • BearDown100393

            An outgoing coaching staff with a rookie QB is a developmental disaster.

          • SC Dave

            I was hoping the staff would do that, but…

  • BerwynBomber

    Missed opportunity today, but then again, If not for Mark Ingram the Aints could have salted that thing away a couple of times in the fourth.

    • How many times have we said that under Fox though?

      Missed opportunities is his MO.

      • BerwynBomber

        He’ll be gone by end of the year. My thought at least.
        Unless we make a second half run.

        • BearDown100393

          Your first sentence is correct.

        • SC Dave

          Well, if the idea was to make a culture change, that seems to have happened.

  • And for the disheartened, take heart.

    Look at how Goff looked like garbage last season.

    Now he has real coaches not named Fox, I mean, Fisher.

    And Wentz started fading hard late last season, but looks like some mutant Newton-Petyon hybrid this season.

    Edit. needless to say, take heart when Fox is fired.

    • BearDown100393

      It really is the last rung to cling upon.

    • BerwynBomber

      Wentz struggled but he was light years ahead of Bisky in terms of command of their respective Os. Said this a week or so ago, but Wentz is the most advanced 24 year old the league has seen since Petyon. He is a VERY fast learner.

      The Goff comparison is probably more apt. Goff looked entirely lost his rookie year. Even bust-like.

      I still think Bisky will be fine, but he is raw, and though SCD and BD are being overly harsh and impatient, the coaches are holding him back narrative is equally silly.
      We probably won’t know what we have until next year.

      • Yeah, I agree. Wentz actually came from an advanced O in college, just happened to be from smaller school.

        Still, starting around now, Wentz finished 3-8 last yr, not exactly inspiring.

        Goff, well, he just looked horrible all around.

        I think we have to take it all in context.

        NO ONE is banging on Birdcage’s door for an HC job.
        Gase didn’t even want him, and his MIA team looks like garbage on O, so that should make us think.
        And Fox was never billed as a QB guru and in fact, like Fisher, might be the opposite – a QB crusher.

        That being said, that’s the SECOND cutleresuque INT on a game winning drive he threw, and this one wasn’t even close.

        I think many Bears fans suffer from PCSD (Post Cutler Stress Disorder) and those TOs are triggers, so the anger and frustration are understandable.

        Just gotta take a deep breath and remember.

        1. Fox
        2. Birdcage
        3. No receivers
        4. Rook.

        • BearDown100393

          Gase might be available to return to Chicago after this season. Or even earlier.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed.

          And I actually think your RPO (or lack thereof) complaint is valid. I just don’t think Bisky is anywhere near ready to handle a full playbook. But they should run more of that stuff.

          I sense PHI threw everything at Wentz from the word go. So yeah he struggled. But he also had moments where he looked like a ten year veteran. (Their game against us last year was a good example.)

          The Goff turnaround should give anyone hope. And I don’t think Bisky has looked as overwhelmed as Goff did.

          • And if we’re gonna go historical, Joe Montana couldn’t even get on the field, and Peyton still holds the rookie record for INTs
            (though if Kizer keeps playing, he may break that)

            Coaching counts.

            Just hope these numbnuts don’t imprint losing and bad habits on our new chise.

          • BearDown100393

            Name the last quarterback drafted, groomed and developed into elite status by a Chicago coaching staff.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Kyle Ortmen

          • BearDown100393

            Good Lord that is your idea of elite?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            No. But it’s a moot point. This particular manager and staff has never worked with a Bears rookie QB. So we don’t know if they can pull it off or not.

            It’s not like there are roving bands of QB Developers out there that just show up in QB hungry cities and develop rooks into elite veterans before rising off into the sunset to save another franchise. And somehow, sadly, we just don’t have them.

          • Bull Shipp

            Trying to reason with a fan on the obvious is like trying to use history and facts when debating a religious convert. Knowing and believing don’t get along too well. Just sayin…

          • Are the Bears haunted? Or is there another goat curse on our QBs we’re not aware of?

            If not, Ralph Jones’ 1931 QB philosophy I don’t think will hamper the franchise going forward.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but I sense Peyton was thrown the entire playbook like Wentz because they had impressed their coaches they could handle it. Hence, they might struggle their rookie seasons but by Y2 they seem like they’re in their fifth years.

            But they are extreme exceptions — hence my advance 24 year old comparison. Most rookies need spoon fed like Bisky. It’s the norm.

  • One thing I liked to see today was that there were several times Trubisky escaped the pocket, bought time, and kept his eyes downfield. When you have quality pass targets, those turn into big plays. For the Bears, they turned into throwaways when nobody could work open after 5-6 seconds.

    I know GB practices those types of plays to get WRs used to working open. I’d love to see the Bears do the same. On an offense that struggles to move the ball consistently, 1-2 big plays of that type in a game can be huge.

    • That Guy

      On that 4th and short, didn’t he have room to run for the 1st? I like that he keeps his eyes downfield, but at the same time, I think he’s holding the ball a beat too long on a lot of plays, instead of running. He’s taken several sacks from holding the ball too long.

      • Yeah, needs to get better at deciding when to tuck and run. Still, most young QBs do that too often, and it’s hard to teach out of that.

        • BearDown100393

          He needs to get back to giving himself up when he does run. He took a few hits today standing up. That will end badly for him in the NFL.

      • Yup. Like that he’s keeping his eyes down field but sometimes 3-4 yds are better than zero.

  • George Hotchkiss

    I am so glad the Bears passed up on Deshaun Watson, all those touchdowns would be slowing his development.

    • How else can we draft high?

      Though here’s a mental excercise.

      Would Watson have the same type of year on the Browns?

      Now, I want you to close your eyes and picture the Browns north…

      https://youtu.be/xLeIYl5vm90?t=44s

      • BearDown100393

        Never mind pondering Cleveland hypotheticals. Call a spade a proper spade. Would Watson thrive in Chicago? Would Trubisky thrive in Houston?

        • WP4Life

          I can see watskn also struggling in chicago but showimg more poise.

          I see the kid doing very well in houston with those recievers nit as well as watson but very well.

          It seems like the kid wants to suceed so bad, that he is trying almost too hard…appears he is overrhinking not trying to make any mistakes (fox), that his his throws insread if just throwing the pill, I dont see the kid falling in this slump in Houston.

          • BearDown100393

            The flat out truth. Mitch Trubisky’s only friend at Halas is Ryan Pace. The coaching staff is not motivated to helping him. The Fox crew is not stupid. They know John Fox is not returning next season. And neither is anyone associated with the offensive side of the football. Giraffe was perceived as their best chance to keeping the offense at least respectable and hoping/praying Fangio develops the defense into a top echelon unit. Giraffe flopped. He was terrible. Pace’s decision to let go of Jay Cutler and replace him with an even worst Giraffe sealed the fate on Fox and Birdcage. They are toast. They know they are toast. Hence the reluctance. Fox donned “Hobo On The Sideline”. Birdcage amuses himself with a trick play now and then and punches the clock on Run, Run, Pass, Punt. They have checked out. Meanwhile Trubisky is not really being developed by anyone from this dead man walking coaching staff. It is lost time. Mitch is on his own. He’s learning nothing other than taking snaps, praying to avoid injury and simply hoping to survive this season to be coached up after Fox/Birdcage are gone. This is a farce. This is what dysfunctional franchises do on loop mode. We mock Cleveland when we should demand results like LA Rams. The Bears as an organization are not much better than the Browns. It is time for a reality check. Pace hinged his career on Trubisky. Now he must gamble again on a proper Head Coach and OC. Is he capable? The returns on probability 50/50 at most generous.

          • WP4Life

            I agree fox is trying to win the way he trusts, how with having 0 passes a game. Instead of trying to win the game and developing his rook qb for the long term.

          • BearDown100393

            Fox is not coaching to win. He is coaching not to get blown out.

          • WP4Life

            Not sure about that. Why would fox to that. What does that help? Who does that help?

          • BearDown100393

            Why is he transforming himself into a Hobo?

          • WP4Life

            Maybe Anything to rally/win.

          • On my skeptical days, I feel like Fox has indeed gone full-Fisher.

            But I’m rather optimistic. I still think he’s trying, but a cuck and complete idiot.

            Glass half full.

          • BearDown100393

            So it is either full-Fisher or complete idiot/cuck?

            Just fire him now already.

          • I wanted him fired last season.

            Apparently, Pace doesn’t listen to bloggers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t know why Pace gambled at all. If he sat there at 3 he was getting his guy anyway. If SF did draft Mitch, then we hit the jackpot also.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. Put Mitch in Houston, and he’d have done well. AS well as Watson, perhaps not yet. But they have a couple of nice receivers there.

    • BerwynBomber

      I wouldn’t get too caught up in that. Even if Watson were to have an HoF career (and that’s obviously far from a given), we can be happy if Bisky turns into a B-level franchise guy (Ryan, Cam, Cousins, etc.)

      Let’s not associate ourselves with the Browns until we have to.

      • BearDown100393

        A big if.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Fuck that small thinking George. The Bears SHOULD have drafted Tom Brady in 2000 and THEN Aaron Rodgers in 2005 just as icing on the cake. Then we’d really be set.

      • BearDown100393

        Yeah they should have!

      • Bear Instincts

        This guy should be the next HC

      • George Hotchkiss

        How is what I wrote small thinking? Please try to be civil.

    • Irish Sweetness

      But how would Watson fare in Mitch’s shoes … and without Will Fuller and DeAndre Hopkins ….?

      Probably a bit better, but he had a longer CV. Biscuit was always going to take longer than Watson to develop – this we knew. That’s why we had …er … Mike Glennon to take the reins.

      • BearDown100393

        Trubisky had limited college experience. Only Pace believed he was worth trading up for the #2 pick. That act alone accelerates expectations and demands results.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He was banking on potential, which is weird. I think we all thought Watson once he traded up?

          • BearDown100393

            Banking on potential is what you do with a mid draft pick. Not the #2 overall spot.

  • Shawn Harrison

    As attention to detail that you usually are, I’m disappointed you failed on the face mask call, it was there. The commentators dwelled on it and finally found it.

    • Bender McLugh

      Coming out of his break, defender grabbed his facemask.

    • I missed that. My bad.

      • AlbertInTucson

        It happened well before the pass was thrown and it took the guys in the booth 2 or 3 looks to see it, too.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Per Florio, the Colts are shopping T.Y. Hilton “…for the right price.” and the Loins are about to call former 1st rounder, Eric Ebron, a bust.

    • willbest

      Basically their season is shot and they see a team 3 hours away that is desperate

  • Wonder what Colts want for Hilton.
    A vet WR would help Trub long term.

    Only thing is that I think his contract is rather pricey. $13, $15 and $14 going forward

    (though how much is the top WR gonna fetch in FA?)

    For a 3rd?

    • Or since the Colts want Oline, throw in Long.

      • Bender McLugh

        Ouch.

        • Is what Long says every other week when he actually plays.
          Then he gets mad at everyone for getting hurt.

      • BearDown100393

        Might need a body bag to transport Long to Indianapolis.

        • We could fedEx his hand, knee and whatever else later.

          • BearDown100393

            He must have Pierre-Paul’d his hand not to return.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Moncrief didn’t have a catch either- was he playing? He’d do.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We don’t have a third because of Pace’s tradeup/fuckup.

      • BearDown100393

        Funny how that tends to haunt.

        • willbest

          Only if you think you can trade it for a top 20 WR

      • Fuck it. 4rth and Long it is then.

  • BearDown100393

    I feel bad for anyone named Ju-Ju.

    • willbest

      That is what happens when your parents let your 2 year old sister name you

  • Irish Sweetness

    So Watson is 3-5, Mitch is 3-5, but Watson threw 3 picks today. One can safely assume that didn’t help their case.

    • Watson is 3-4 and Mitch is 2-2, but QB wins are a terrible way to evaluate.

      • WP4Life

        I agree.
        But then why is there so much emphasis on SB rings…the Grind, the leadership, and the wins?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Sorry, my bad. Of course neither QB started the season. I’ve been up since before the game ….

    • BerwynBomber

      The last pick was a desperation heave. And he also threw for four TDs, 400 yards and a had 106 PR. Oh, and he was also playing at SEA. Not the easiest place or team for any QB.

      Btw … first we have George belittling Bisky via the comparison. Then we have you even more inanely trying to belittle Watson by it.

      Here’s a hint: stop comparing them.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh Jesus, I’m not doing that. How could anyone belittle Watson? I didn’t even see his interceptions. Just pointing out that people throw picks. I like both QBs a lot.

        And you can ALWAYS compare two players that play the same position.

        FWIW – I wouldn’t call in the jury on either QB for a few years.

  • I think Bryant just lost his job.
    He should be available for cheap now.

    • willbest

      Not watching, what #2 is lighting it up opposite brown?

    • AlbertInTucson

      He has been nothing to write home about when he HAS played this season, he already has a 1 year suspension to his credit and he has already demonstrated he is a crappy teammate.

      I’ll pass.

    • RedBulls83

      I’m staying away from Bryant. I know beggars can’t be chooser, but his whole situation rubs me the wrong way. Stealers stuck with him through his suspension, and then he essentially turned his back on them. I think he’s a really bad character guy and I rather Pace not bring that to the team.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Swap him for Bellamy in a heartbeat at the right price, concerns or no.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Vikes are 6-2!!?

    Ixnay on Division champs then …..

    • RedBulls83

      Even if the Bears pulled off a win yesterday the division wasn’t realistic. Depending on what Inman brings to the table, I feel confident in this team being able to go .500 on the season now. This defense is legit, and they just need the offense to be below average to help get them wins after the BYE.

      Will be interesting to see how Mitch does too for the rest of the season. Hopefully we see him make progress.

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