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Data Entry: Trubisky Will Determine Next Five Years for Bears

| May 5th, 2017

Photo: Jasen Vinlove, USA TODAY Sports

The Chicago Bears secured the man they believe is their quarterback of the future when they grabbed Mitch Trubisky with the 2nd overall pick in the draft. There has been plenty of discussion about the wisdom of that move, so I am not here to add to that.

Here is what I am curious about: as a Bears fan, what can I look forward to in the next few years if Trubisky does or does not pan out?

Quarterback is the most important position in football, so it makes sense that hitting or missing on one will have a significant impact on the immediate future of the franchise. This is especially true when you have committed such a high pick – a premium resource -to a quarterback and thus are determined to give him a few years to succeed.

General Setup

Thus I went back and looked at all of the quarterbacks drafted in the top 5 of the draft over the last 20 years to see how the franchise drafting them fared for the 5 years after the draft. Since I’m looking at 5 years, the most recent draft I could use was 2012, so the sample here looked at all 26 quarterbacks drafted in the top 5 between 1993 and 2012.

I roughly split the quarterbacks into hits (those who became quality long-term starters) and busts. There were two – Sam Bradford and Kerry Collins – who I didn’t think really fit either category, so I excluded them from the study. These guys stuck around for a while but didn’t always play well. It’s not fair to call them busts, but they certainly weren’t hits either, in my opinion. I found 13 quarterbacks who hit and 11 who busted (full data can be viewed here).

I tracked the team’s wins for the next 5 years after drafting a quarterback that high. Unsurprisingly, teams with quarterbacks who succeeded tended to do quite well, while teams with quarterbacks who busted tended to do quite poorly. There are all sorts of different patterns; some teams took years to do well with their new QB, while others found instant success. Some found early success and tailed off, some fluctuated, and others with QBs who ultimately ended up busting found early success and then tailed off.

There were, however, a few key markers that stood out. These are things I will be watching for from the Bears over the next 5 years.

Bad in Year One

The rookie season after drafting a QB hasn’t shown much difference for teams who’s QB will eventually bust vs. those who will ultimately find success. The average team with a QB who will ultimately hit won 6.7 games in his rookie season, while that number was 5.3 for teams with a QB who would eventually bust. With a standard deviation of >2.5 for both sets, that’s not really a difference worth noting.

Most teams are bad in their QB’s rookie year. 7/13 teams with QBs who would eventually hit won 6 or fewer games, while only 3 won 10+ (the typical threshold for a playoff team). For bust QBs, those numbers were 8 and 1 out of 11, respectively. There are certainly exceptions, but history tells us the Bears are likely going to be bad in 2017. Looking at their current roster, common sense probably tells us that too.

Big jump in year Two

Year 2 starts to be when we can see a difference between teams who drafted a good QB and teams who drafted a bust. Teams with QBs who hit jumped to an average of 9.2 wins in year 2, a level they would stay near for the remainder of the 5 seasons. 5/13 posted 10+ win seasons, while only 1 lost 10+ games.

For the teams whose QB would bust, things did not look as rosy. The average number of wins remained low at 6.0. Only 2/11 teams won 10+ games, and 8/11 lost 10 or more, just like in their rookie seasons.

10 wins by year Year

By the end of three years, the team drafting a successful QB should have seen significant success. 10/13 teams in this category had at least one season winning 10+ games in the first 3 years, with 5 of them winning 10+ games at least twice in that span. In contrast, only 3/11 teams who drafted a bust won 10+ games in the first 3 years, and only 1 of them accomplished that feat twice.

10 wins at least Twice in next Five years

That repeated team success is something to look forward to if a top 5 quarterback pans out. 8 out of 13 teams who drafted a good QB won 10+ games at least twice in his first 5 years, with 7 of them-more than half the entire sample-doing so 3 or more times. A This illustrates how much fun the near future should be if Mitchell Trubisky pans out.

Of course, on the flip side is the misery the next 5 years will bring should Trubisky bust. Only 3 out of 11 teams who drafted a bust won 10+ games even once in the next 5 years, and only 1 did so twice. Teams in this group won an average of 6.2 games per year over that 5 year span, with only 2 averaging 8 or more wins per season.

Not a single team from this group won 10+ games in years 4 or 5 after drafting a bust QB, largely because that is the time when they are finally admitting the QB is a bust and starting all over again. Every bust QB got at least 2 years with the team that drafted him, with all but 1 getting at least 3. If Trubisky is a bust, the Bears likely won’t admit it until after 2019 or 2020, and then they need to go about finding their next QB and letting him grow into the job.

Lessons learned

Based on this study, it seems reasonable to expect the Bears are going to be bad in 2017 regardless of whether Mitch Trubisky ultimately pans out or not. But 2018 should be when we can start to tell whether he will ultimately succeed or be a bust. By 2019, the Bears should have won 10+ games at least once, and they will likely do so multiple times between 2018 and 2021.

If that does not prove to be the case, it seems very likely Bears fans are in for a long next 5 years, with maybe one fluke good year but a whole lot of 6-10 (or worse) seasons coming our way.

I don’t know about any of you, but I for one have had enough of those the last 3 years (with one more likely coming in 2017). So here’s hoping Mitch Trubisky is the real deal, because I want to have fun watching the Bears again, starting in 2018.

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  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Greatest 1st round pick ever.

    • Sahr Gborie

      10 SB Wins

  • RedBulls83

    I for one am hoping that Trubisky sits this entire season, and they develop him to be ready for the start of 2018.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I hope he sits .. and then BEATS OUT Glennon. He should be handed nothing.

      • BearDown100393

        This.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Yeah, but for some time some of us’ll be thinking Watson IS the real deal until Mitch PROVES he is.

    • Watson’s not a Bear; Trubisky is. Thus I really don’t care what Watson does in Houston. I just want to see Trubisky pan out so the Bears are fun to watch again. Otherwise the next 5 years are going to suck.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Exactly Wood. The environment Watson inherited is very different from what Mitch is walking into in Chicago. We need to build an environment in Chicago that Mitch can make the most of. He needs WR’s, LT&RT, G and a coach that can bring the best out of him. Bear Down

        • Irish Sweetness

          Slow down Nelly. There are ZERO excuses for Trubisky. He has the line, he has the receivers. No excuses. He has things Cutty never had at the same time.

          • Sahr Gborie

            What receivers? What LT&RT? J.Sittion has 2 years left. What line?

          • CanadaBear

            WR’s? A possible WR2 and a bunch of guys.

      • Irish Sweetness

        So if Watson wins a Lombardi with Houston, and Mitch burns out …. it ain’t no thang?

        I’m watching. LeftCoast is watching. A lot of us are watching.

        • leftcoast dave

          Not fair. Funny, though. We wanted to see the Houston option – trade down, build a team, then get a QB if Glennon does not pan out. Not that Houston hasn’t taken shots at QB, just not as a first round draft pick until this year.

          I believe Pace made the decision that it’s more important to put up the points and thinks he has the kid to do it, being satisfied with letting the young players develop.

        • BearDown100393

          I blame Pace. Not Trubisky.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Its not just about the QB. Look at the talent around the QB. Can you seriously say that we are a more talented team than Houston?

        • It would suck as a Bears fan. But for right now my focus is on Trubisky panning out, not anybody else.

        • willbest

          What if Watson wins the Lombardi trophy the way Peyton Manning did in Denver?

      • Carlos Pendleton

        we can’t compare the two because Watson has the better supporting players and is blessed to be on a playoff team while Trubisky has the rebuilding Bears and I truly think that if you put Trubisky on Clemson or Alabama he could have won the championship game too!!!!

    • BearDown100393

      I don’t expect anything on the field from Mitch Trubisky this season. That pressure belongs to the Giraffe and it is his job to lose. It is completely upon the shoulders of Fox and Bird Cage to properly bring Trubisky up to speed on the expectations and demands of being a starting quarterback in the NFL. The Bears determined Mitch Trubisky is the future of their team. Not the other way around. And I see no reason to believe that whatever Mitch Trubisky offers on the table, he won’t deliver. If he cannot meet expectations, that falls on Ryan Pace.

    • Sahr Gborie

      That sound like a personal problem. What if we too Watson and he flamed out but Mitch won the SB? What then?

    • We have zero evidence that either of them is the real deal in the NFL yet. Get over your personal biases and see what happens.

    • U mean how like Kaep almost won a SB but is now unemployed?

  • SC Dave

    “Trubisky Will Determine Next Five Years for Bears”

    Unless, of course, Glennon does.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Homegrow talent over the rental unless the difference in talent is SAVAGE

    • That’s fair. Odds of a top 5 draft pick panning out are much better than a guy who spent first 4 years as a backup though, historically speaking.

      In my mind, Glennon is a nice insurance policy in case Trubisky busts.

      • SC Dave

        I agree with this, and I think that is the strategy. But as many have pointed out, if Glennon somehow becomes a star, “we should have such problems”.

        • BearDown100393

          All the more better if Glennon shines.

    • BearDown100393

      The Giraffe should be given every opportunity to succeed despite Mitch Trubisky’s arrival. This does not have to be adversarial. The two can push each other to excellence through competition. An improved Giraffe will get more dollars and years in a quarterback deficient NFL.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    2017 – Trub’s red shirt year
    2018 – Trub’s rookie season
    2019 – Trub’s year 2
    2020 – Trub’s judgement year (Bust, JAG, or Franchise QB)

    • BearDown100393

      Looks ideal. I’m rooting for the kid. I have nothing against Mitch Trubisky. But admittedly am highly skeptical of the manner he was acquired (which will mean nothing but a huge attaboy to Pace if it all works out) and a lame duck coaching staff (IMO) in charge of his 1st year for development. If you are expecting Michael Phelps, don’t put him in a pool of circling sharks to train.

      • Sahr Gborie

        We risked two 3rds for the reward of a potential franchise QB. That is a steal

        • SC Dave

          And possibly the opportunity cost of a multi-PB defender.

          • Sahr Gborie

            PB defenders don’t have as many opportunities to make a difference in the game because they don’t have the the ball in their hands as much as the QB. A QB has 4 downs to score while a PB defender has to intercept/strip sack fumble and make it past our O-Line to score. I like the odds the QB has.

          • SC Dave

            Irrelevant to my point – I simply pointed out a component of the cost that you ignored.

    • Jokey

      2020 is way too late, and doesn’t match the data in the post, which says we’ll know in 2018.

      • Sahr Gborie

        2020 is accurate because he will hopefully have a complete team or close to a complete team around him

  • Sahr Gborie

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/long-story-kyle-talks-bears-draft-mike-glennon-medical-scare/
    Kyle Long told giraffe Neck to “get your competitive shoes on and get ready to kick some butt” when we drafted Mitch

    • BearDown100393

      Kyle Long is 100% correct. And he is 100% the leader of the Bears.

      • leftcoast dave

        Kyle Long said his goal for return is week one. Now we have a better feel for picking Jordan Morgan, be it Long or Sitton now or in the future. Gotta love that pick and commitment to the interior line.

        • Have to think Morgan is gonna have a tough time beating out Kush or Grasu this year, so it would take a rash of injuries for him to see meaningful snaps, IMO.

          • leftcoast dave

            I wouldn’t be so sure of that but love seeing the competition. The real question is whether moving Whitehair to G or RT improves the line with Grassu snapping.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Tackle. Would rather leave Cody @C for continuity and line cohesion

          • leftcoast dave

            And why it was posed as a question to be answered on the field.

          • Sahr Gborie

            No need for competition. Cody has already proved himself. Grassu and Morgan are the one that needs to establish themselves.

          • leftcoast dave

            He’s not likely to do that. But he is likely to be more than competent there with Whitehair possibly being used at other positions when needed. That is why Morgan was such a great pick. Dude played LT. At 6’3″ with 34 3/4 inch arms, he is not long enough for an LT or possibly even RT, but we shall see. The point is that there are a number of very good linemen smart enough to be able to move around in the event of injury. It is a great core group and having Grassu able to play C only makes it greater.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Did you also think Cody would struggle at C last year? Lets see what Morgan can do.

            More and more it seems Pace is willing to replace a veteran (slauson) with a rook (c.whitehair) and let them learn through trial by fire except for his precious Mitchell

          • Cody was a 2nd round pick who was a 4 year starter in a major conference and was viewed as a plug and play interior lineman.

            This is a project from D2 who is viewed as high ceiling but a ways away.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Also if Morgan did not perform well at the Senior Bowl he probably would not have been drafted.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Its all about make sure Mitch has all the tools to succeed: solid OL, RB, TE and coming soon WR. Bear Down

          • Jokey

            If Whitehair can play RT better than Massie, he should do it and Grasu can play C. Continuity from last year isn’t an argument this year.

          • Sahr Gborie

            We should not accommodate Grasu just because we drafted him. If he cant make it then he cant. No need to weaken the line just to make a spot for him on the team. Our strength is the middle of the line. Let Grasu work at LT/RT. If he performs well at center then maybe we can consider him there.

          • Jokey

            Sahr, think long term. The dip is temporary, afterwards we’re net stronger. I’m not accommodating Grasu, I’m getting Massie the fuck out of there.

          • willbest

            What in the hell has Grasu shown people to make them believe this kid has the talent to be a long term answer at Center. A guy thrown into half way through camp because Grasu broke down did it better.

          • leftcoast dave

            Whitehair is special. He didn’t just do better, he’s awesome. He’s also plug and play with the knowledge of assignments which he calls out.

          • Sahr Gborie

            My point exactly. I’m not going to disrupt the mix we have in the middle unless Grasu can unseat Cody. If not hes a backup or he can try his luck at RT/LT.

          • leftcoast dave

            Morgan has longer arms than Whitehair and may do better at RT but the reality is we have two superstars at G who are tenuous due to injury or age. If Grassu can step in and get it done, that would be great.

          • CanadaBear

            I thought Massie played decent the last month and half of the season last year. He was dreadful before that.

          • Sahr Gborie

            “If we want to be great, you just can’t sit on your hands. There are times when you’ve got to be aggressive, you can’t sit on your hands. I just don’t want to
            be average around here; I want to be great.” – Ryan Pace

  • Irish Sweetness
  • Irish Sweetness

    Could we advertise a hostile takeover of the Bears on Kickstarter?

    I want an office with a view, and Black/Asian Honey-Bears.

    • BearDown100393

      When Virginia expires and the IRS arrives, you may get your wish.

      • King of DBB

        Trump’s america will take care of estate tax.

        • BearDown100393

          That is already on a 2 minute warning.

      • willbest

        I guarantee you that the McCaskey’s have already set it up so that the IRS won’t force a sale for at least another 50 years. Its far more likely that a grandkid pitches a fit rocking the the boat and forcing a liquidation. Basically hope for infighting between the grandkids that don’t care about football and those that do.

    • Ososfan

      I love your thinking Irish!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Halas Hall will be full of Lombardis and sexy parties!

    • CanadaBear

      I saw them a few times at games back in the day. Don’t remember seeing that exact combination.

  • BerwynBomber
    • BearDown100393

      Hoyer and Barkley have jobs in the NFL but not Jay Cutler. The league is stupid.

      • King of DBB

        Kapernick is also unemployed.

        It’s about more than stupidity.

        • BearDown100393

          Also dumb.

      • Sahr Gborie

        This league is biased. If you dont play by their rules you dont play at all

        • BearDown100393

          The NFL is a snakepit of hypocrisy.

      • willbest

        Money. Barkley is being paid in pokemon cards, and Hoyer is going to get paid $5 million to start. I doubt either Jay or Colin would accept less than $12-15 million even if their weren’t health or attitude question marks.

        Oh and its clear the 9ers plan is to suck this year and pick up their QB next year.

        • BerwynBomber

          I’d also say youth and health too, and in Hoyer’s case, an argument for ball security.

          • Sahr Gborie

            He securing the ball so well that no one on his team can score

          • BerwynBomber

            That is why I said “argument for” as the counter to Hoyer’s ball security is that he is so risk adverse that the O stalls in the RZ.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Say Glennon goes down in pre-season. Sanchez goes down in week one.

        Is Pace calling Jay or Kap with a ten million dollar contract?

        • Sahr Gborie

          Hell yeah

          • Ososfan

            Ha! Nah, Shaw will reign

        • CanadaBear

          Not in a million years.

    • 505Bears

      He will have a job by mid preseason that is not in the booth. If not, I think he could be good as a commentator. Can’t be worse than a lot of those yahoos Fox has.

      • BerwynBomber

        I think he could be a good analyst. I’m interested to hear him.

  • TBC

    Uhhhhh Teams that draft any position in the top 5 usually suck the next year…because they already suck…that’s why they are picking top 5.

    • Ososfan

      The Cowboys would like a word.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        That is because they lucked out on a QB in round 4.

        Teams that hit a jackpot on QB in round 3 or 4 have a huge edge over a team that picks a QB with #1 or #2 pick or even a first round QB. Because it means they have used first round pick at some other position of need and that round 3 or 4 qb contract is very cheap allowing them to spend more money elsewhere.

        That is how Seattle quickly became a perennial contender. Nothing like finding a franchise qb in round 3 or 4.

        • BearDown100393

          Dak Prescott worked his rear end off since arriving to Dallas. He had a great camp, was impressive in those “meaningless” (as the blog guys put it) pre-season games and kept it going after Romo was injured.

        • BerwynBomber

          Less to do with Dak than the fact that Romo was out almost all of ’15, hence their 4-12 record.

          Remember in ’14, they won the WC game and then almost beat GB in the divisional round at Lambeau … the Dez Bryant no-catch.

      • The Cowboys were only drafting that high because their QB had gotten hurt and missed pretty much the entire previous season. Their last season with Romo healthy they were 12-4.

        And yeah, they also happened upon a stud QB in round 4, which helps. But the rest of the team was already playoff quality, which they had shown in 2014.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Did they? Or did they have the environment in place for a QB to thrive? Or maybe its 60% them and 40% Dak. I don’t see him being that successful in Cleveland or Chicago

        • BearDown100393

          Any data on former NFL quarterback turned to NFL head coach success with rookie quarterbacks versus non-quarterback turned to head coaches?

        • Ososfan

          Hmmmm. You think so? That defense was good?

        • BerwynBomber

          You beat me to the punch, but yes, totally agree.

          Dak played superbly but he also walked into an ideal situation. Also worth remembering that Romo was second in the MVP voting in ’14. Then he got injured in the third or fourth game in ’15 and the DAL back-ups shit the bed the rest of the way.

          Hello top five pick.

    • Agreed. I was just noting the data supported that logical hypothesis.

    • leftcoast dave

      So far, the unspoken but obvious truth.

      Rather skews the data, don’t it.

      Dallas being the exception with an overall great team that sucked because they lacked the QB, rather like Houston who has done well even without one.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Trubisky will play.

    Not start. But play.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Injuries. Anything can happen to the guys in front of him, as we found out last year. David Fales saw action- bless his shaggy golden locks.

      Cutty could be back for Christmas.

  • CanadaBear

    I’ve been meaning to needle a few guys around here about trading Cutler and getting a 1st rd pick (or other such nonsense). Do any of you guys know what Fox traded to the Bears to sign Cutler?

    • BearDown100393

      A pack of smokes.

    • Ososfan

      Fox wasn’t the coach back then it was that bum who is the O-coordinator for the Patriots now.

      • CanadaBear

        Fox Broadcasting. Jay’s gonna be a talking head.

        • Ososfan

          Whoops!

    • Irish Sweetness

      The initial call to trade him would have yielded a first rounder. A few years ago. So, we were right all along.

      • CanadaBear

        BULL SHIT!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Easily.

          30 year old gunslinger?

          • CanadaBear

            They would have had to trade him in 2012 when he still had a year on his contract. That year he had 19 TD’s and 18 TO’s with a QB rating of 81.3. Tell me who’s giving up a first rd pick for that? That stat line is the definition of mediocre. Not to mention Jay’s sterling reputation around the NFL.

          • For so e strange reason Cutlerites can not admit the NFL never esteemed Cutler as highly as them…they’re addicted the to if only (insert ridicules roster , coaches, health…) narrative when in REALITY him becoming a broadcaster has definitely shown
            1. NFL did NOT want Cargo possibly not even for cheap or as a backup
            2. Cargo truly did not care. His Rollins influenced statement certainly sounded like he had no passion for the game anymore

          • CanadaBear

            He may have gotten an offer or two that we don’t know about but needless to say, if they had any offers they weren’t great. On the Rollins thing, I agree, it sounds like the lamp is down low. Hope he does well as a broadcaster. I don’t dislike him, it was time to move on.

          • I think in retrospect that last yr w ,Trestman, Kromer and ended Bmarsh bromance smoldered what ever fire he had left for the game.
            In fact, might even see it live when we played the Saints that yr.

          • CanadaBear

            That shit had to suck the life out of him, esp that Kromer weak-ass shit. That’s just unheard of that a coach would go around trying to save their jobs by submarining Cutler. From that point on, only the real meat heads in Chicago hated Cutler. All the rest of us, at least felt some empathy for him.

          • A7Xthebest

            Butch you were, and always have been, a bitter little bitch about Cutler.

        • Ososfan

          Yes, even when he broke his thumb he’d have been gone for a first and some lesser picks….

  • beninnorcal

    Nice peice, Data. I agree that it’s more fun to watch a competitive Bear team play, these last several years have been rough.

  • Ososfan

    Nice, Wood. I have faith in Glennon to get us a winning record our WR’s are better than last year and our Line should be better(hopefully) and defense if everyone is healthy too. I’m not worried about Trubisky for this or next year so the only focus on him should be if he seems to be learning quickly and understanding the pro level…

  • Ososfan

    Irish, you’ll like this conspiracy theory: As soon as the sweet ole Honey Bears were disbanded by the hateful hand of Virginia, the bears started to have ultimate suckitude…..What say you all?

    • CanadaBear

      They had a lot of suckitude when the Honey Bears were wiggling around on the field, too.

      • Sahr Gborie

        But they gave you a reason to tolerate the suckitude

        • CanadaBear

          Kinda, sorta but I always had shitty seats and without the binoculars they could have been anyone.

      • Ososfan

        Damn, really? Crap!

        • CanadaBear

          Unfortunately. I saw them in the 70’s when they were awful (The Beloved, not the Honey Bears).

    • I say more it’s that they’ve drafted like shit in that time period, but nah. Superstitions are more fun.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Zegzactly.

      Bring back Da Hunnies!

  • Sactowns#1

    Jaye Howard? Always stoked on signing people I’ve never heard of.

    • willbest

      I feel that way about colleges we draft players from.

    • Ososfan

      Pretty decent DE. WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Unrein.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        comparing apples and oranges. Unrein is a fullback.

        • Ososfan

          Hahahaha!

  • CanadaBear

    Nice one, JW. Not a lot of surprises from the analysis but It’s good to have it documented instead of just making it up!

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      are we sure he is not making things up too?
      #dataintegrity

      • All of the data was obtained from Pro Football Reference and is shown in a spreadsheet that I link to in the article. There are no alternative facts here.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          just f-ing with ya. I trust ya.

          • I know, but I work very hard to be transparent about these things. Always try to make the data available so anybody is free to analyze it as they see fit.

          • CanadaBear

            You know we’re all too lazy to do that but appreciate your transparency.

        • BearDown100393

          “Hot damn, why not son?” – Jerry Jones

      • CanadaBear

        Not sure but JW seems like a straight shooter. Unlike a couple of posters who shall remain nameless!

  • Too Soon?

    I’m looking forward to 10 wins in Year Year

    • CanadaBear

      Fox only needs 1 more win to get to 10 with the Bears.

      • Too Soon?

        Yes, but I’m still looking forward, as the piece says, to 10 wins by Year Year

        • CanadaBear

          I’ve written music columns for decades and put out a monthly newsletter now. I’ve proofread stuff 10-20 times and once it’s posted (or back in the day, went to print) and THEN found the mistake. It’s a lot harder than you think when you self edit.

          • Too Soon?

            Oh, I’m not saying it’s easy. In fact, there’s research that shows that on a screen you miss something like 1/3 of the mistakes you catch when reading a hard copy.

            But I’ll go out on a limb and make a prediction that the Bears Bears will get their 10th win in month month.

          • BearDown100393

            Month Month in the Year Year

      • BearDown100393

        That will happen in the Year, Year Year.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      you would think someone would proofread these articles before they get posted.

    • BearDown100393

      Year Year is the Year of the Year. It rarely happens that a Year is a Year Year but it often means that during Year Year many Year events occur.

      10 wins.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Kind of quiet around here especially since Data did the blog post. I really expected his groupies to show up.

    • BearDown100393

      Shhhh

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        oops sorry. OMG What I have i done! I am hoping it’s like Beetlejuice no one reference them again.

    • CanadaBear

      Forgot about those guys. Thank goodness for small favors.

    • Ososfan

      Lmao. Which groupies?

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    So his public perception of being a jerk is indeed true..

    Dan Wiederer‏ @danwiederer 3h3 hours ago
    Had a teammate who genuinely liked Jay tell me this once, “He thinks everybody else is an idiot. That’s the baseline he works off.”

    I bet this player was Kyle Long. He always sucked up to Cutler ever since he was drafted.

    Being a jerk AND sucking at your job is not a good combination and will not win you many friends on your team. Aaron Rodgers can pull that shit off because he is so damn good at his job.

    • BearDown100393

      1 anonymous guy allegedly said this.

    • King of DBB

      Coaches in the know have always said Cutler has a very high IQ. He learned offensive system after offensive system w/o issue. New signals, plays, checkdowns, color codes, everything.

      His issue with Mike Tice was that Tice was a knuckle dragger and his issue with Martz was one where Jay would see things on the field and check into things Martz didn’t want him to. It wasn’t that he didn’t get Martz system, it was that he DID understand it, probably as well as Martz did, and clashed about how it was supposed to work.

      I remember a story about Jay’s first year – Jay would run drill and SCREAM at wideouts and backs. SCREAM at them. The press was taken aback by how fucking vocal and RAGE driven he would be.

      Coaches didn’t like that, so they made him dial it back.

      Had I been the HC, I would have encouraged him to keep it up. It was who he really was. But when he ran over and slapped Webb Nation upside his cro-magon head on a Monday night game, the press tore him up so he said “fine. fuck it.”

      THey buried his competitive fire and then hated him for resenting it.

      • BearDown100393

        Hester still does not understand.

        • King of DBB

          Hester was such a double digit IQ guy that he admitted, straight out to a reporter not only that he had lost his fire (which can just be a negotiating tactic) but that he had ACTIVELY mailed it in and avoided the hard hits for two years.

          I can probably dig that interview up somewhere. He SAID he was dogging it and that he mad mentally quit two years prior.

          That was more BS than fans should ever know.

          • BearDown100393

            Run Devin, Run!

          • willbest

            You don’t even say that if you are floating a mid 80’s IQ.

          • Ososfan

            Yup I remember that, lost all respector him after that. Smh

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        That is completely different. One can be as demanding as they want in practice, during game etc. Peyton Manning, Brady all are anal about tiniest things.

        What that quote tells me is that the guy really thought less of everyone else. Forget the football stuff.

        Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman spotted that from a mile away when he came to Chicago. And that is why they hated him. They correctly thought he was snobby little SOB.

        • BearDown100393

          They loved Jay.

        • King of DBB

          I think the reason Cutler does not work in the NFL now is because of the now infamous Elway Shanny story.

          • willbest

            Or he can’t throw a football yet.

          • BearDown100393

            If Elway simply picked another day, Jay would have been more than happy to teach his boss the finer points of being a NFL quarterback.

          • King of DBB

            This too:

            Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn’t looking at Lynch. He was texting.

            “Man, I’m trying to talk to you!” Lynch protested.

            Didn’t help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler’s hands, smashing it to the floor.

            He listened after that.

            http://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Complete failure of due diligence scouting by Angelo and Lovie. This type of person should never be a QB no matter how much arm talent he has.

            A QB is never going to be successful with this type of attitude. No wonder he never achieved much despite all the natural talent.

          • Revisionist facts!

          • BearDown100393

            lol “slapped the phone”.

            Another turn over.

      • CanadaBear

        Not gonna argue that Jay got a good deal from the Bears/media but he brought a lot of that on himself for being such a jackass that first year or two.

        • King of DBB

          These transcripts are REAL:

          Reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, Jay?
          Cutler: I threw the ball.
          Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.
          Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.

          Reporter: When you were a kid, which quarterback did you look up to?
          Cutler: Nobody.
          Reporter: Nobody? You didn’t look up to anybody?
          Cutler: No.

          • CanadaBear

            I remember those first couple of years and just cringed. It was like #54 when he went through his pouty, bitch phase that lasted about half a season.

      • Ososfan

        I was so souped when he slapped J-Webb. But all the media destroyed him over that, smh. It’s fucking football! That shot happens all the Damn time!

      • A7Xthebest

        I remember watching him mic’d up in Denver and he was screaming at the officials a lot, always wondered what happened to him since then to make that stop.

  • Sahr Gborie
    • BearDown100393

      “Who’s gonna win this?”

      “Don’t ccccaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.” – Jay Cutler

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        “Wow what a hit on the QB!”
        “Awe that brings back memories, just look at that ball bounce away. ” – Jay Cutler.

        • BearDown100393

          “What did you think about when going to the sideline after turning over the football?”

          “Nothing” – Jay Cutler

    • willbest

      If he ends up in Canton as a contributor, I am going to laugh.

      • BearDown100393

        “Nobody brought so much apathy to a football stadium on game day than #6. Jay Cutler was a true NFL pioneer with a vision. On and off the field.” – inscribed in a special wing dedicated to Don’t Care.

        • willbest

          Headed for obscurity as a sports commentator having been relegated to the F team doing the Jags vs. Browns closer in a bid for which team would be drafting first, the infamous catch-catch non-catch occurred. When asked to opine in the instant Jay famously said “DOOON’T CAAARE”. Frustrated fans rallied around this phrase after years of not being able to understand what is and isn’t a catch. Sponsors were spooked by this sudden interest of not caring, which lead to Goodell’s firing and the hiring of Greg Otis. Otis immediately instituted a number of changes simplifying the rules and making the game easier to follow, which was attractive to new comers to the sport resulting in a sharp turnaround in viewership. When contacted by the HoF Association about his induction, Jay Cutler true to character said “Don’t Care”

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      They should have Jay host a halftime segment called “Smokin’ Jay” which he dissects all QB hits, explaining the intricacies of the strip sack, and the signs of concussions.

  • #Foxtler
    #doooontCareee

  • Said it b4 and say it again but big part of Trubs development will depend on how close Fox can hover at .500
    Teams often say, “QB’s gonna sit” but when the bye comes around and the team is Keenumed, the natives get restless and vocal.
    If that could happen in l.a during the honeymoon period it can def happen in CHI which will result in essentially throwing a fresh recruit into D-day.
    It’s def going to be a strange year. Rooting for Glennon so we could trade him and gamble on some unkown?
    Root for Fox who many believe can’t get us to the SB in any yr?
    Feels like an odd dynamic all around

    • willbest

      You want Glennon to do just good enough to get a pair 2nd rounder Alex Smith style. Basically he puts up a good 10-12 games or whatever, and then gets concussed or a high ankle sprain. Then Trubisky comes in looking like Wentz’s first 4 starts.

      • But isn’t that the odd part? ” oh don’t throw 4tds Glennon, don’t be TOO good lest another QB storm erupts”
        What if Glennon indeed hits Flacco #s?
        Do u still trade him next yr when his replacement could be Ponder?
        And I’m sure many if us want to upgrade Fox

        • willbest

          I tend to think that if Glennon was Flacco we would have seen it by now though. Glennon looks like he could be Alex Smith though. We don’t need Alex Smith+. Smith has a great D in KC and they kicked like 5 FG’s in the playoff game. That is why the Chiefs traded up for Mahomes.

          I mean obviously I want a Lombardi Trophy. I think the best shot of that is for Glennon to be Alex Smith though while Trub becomes Matt Ryan. But if Glennon is Flacco I wouldn’t mind that. Of course if he is, you spent a lot of capital on his backup.

          • Sahr Gborie

            You can always trade the back up too or the starter

          • The thing is we will never get a 3rd overall (plus mid rders) for Trub.
            Be lucky to get a 1st for him down the line
            Naturally this would only happen if Glennon surpasses expectation so i get the “good problem” angle, but we’re not recouping those Trub draft picks or Thomas or Adams

          • willbest

            The same logic goes, well if Trubisky was worth a first then you would be playing him over Glennon.

          • Sahr Gborie

            do we really car about two 3rds if Mitchell gets us to the SB let alone win it for us? even if he never becomes anything great its two 3rds. this is a qb driven league. they have the ball in their hands for most of the game. they have more opportunities to make a difference

        • Ososfan

          No, trade him after year 2 no matter what….

          • Trade Glennon no matter what? Even if he contends for MVP or makes the PB?

          • Ososfan

            Well, that’s a different story, that’s a good problem to have. If only we would be so lucky…

    • The last top 5 pick QB to sit his entire rookie year was Philip Rivers, in 2004. It very rarely happens.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        It very rarely happens that #2 overall pick does not know what a hard count is and how it used and has barely started 13 games and sat on bench for 3 seasons in college.

        I know it is not his fault that he was benched so much in college but the bottomline is he is one of the most inexperienced college QBs to be picked #2 overall. Wentz, who operated a pro style offense at NDSU, was far ahead of him even though the stats get thrown around that they have similar number of pass attempts.

        You cannot ignore how green he is.

        • BearDown100393

          He had no snap count other than “set” in NC. That is like handing the ball of to Forrest and telling him to “run”.

          • Johnnywad

            Fuck. I hope he can figure out a hard count. That sounds tough. Yeah. We’re probably screwed here.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            He seems smart enough to figure it out. But first he will have to sit his ass on the bench for a year and learn. For him, it is like learning mandarin – a completely foreign language.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        it’s a little interesting Rivers sat a year behind Pace’s ideal QB Brees.

        • Didn’t even think of that. Good point

        • BearDown100393

          Wasn’t Pace around 12 years old when Brees was a rookie?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            true, but Pace really likes Brees, so i pictured them sitting around a campfire with Pace eagerly asking Brees for stories

          • willbest

            Brees and Pace are roughly the same age. Also Brees played 5 years in San Diego. By the time New Orleans was making a move on Brees, Pace as past the getting coffee and taking messages phase and had been a pro scout for about 2 years

  • King of DBB
    • willbest

      Woman probably got 6 figures for instigating a fight with a man in peak physical condition. Unreal. Its there on the tape plain as day. The correct message would be for her to be serving her community service right there next to him. He for excessive use of force and her for assault and battery.

      • Sahr Gborie

        No such thing as excessive use of force. In this day and age when women scream for equality this is the result.

        She instigated the situation and was not prepared for the consequences. She thought he was going to back down. I guarantee she will not be punting her hands on another man again for so long as he lives.

        He is a dumb ass for not learning from ray rice and not backing away from her knowing that he has/had a bright future in front of him in the NFL.

        I don’t agree with putting hands on a woman for not good reason just out the blue but if you put hands on me first I will put hands on you.

        • willbest

          Its my understanding that this happened 2 years ago, so I don’t know how Ray Rice was supposed to teach him anything. Also, I don’t think the future Mrs. Rice struck first

          Anyway, the claim of self-defense must be reasonable. For example, you aren’t allowed to pull out your gun and shoot a toddler that is kicking your shin and claim self-defense. And there is a lot of gray area.

          My issue is whatever his crime was, it did not absolve her of her crime. And its bullshit she wasn’t charged when its literally on camera.

          Lastly, she absolutely learned that she can start shit and hit men and they aren’t allowed to hit her back. There will be consequences for any man that does so. The only thing she learned is that perhaps some men are going to be too caught up in the moment to realize the consequences after the fact.

          • CanadaBear

            I saw the same shit play out in bars numerous times except it was some loudmouth guy challenging a much bigger, stronger opponent. Have no idea what’s going on in their boozy brains but somehow it doesn’t occur to them that the other person might just kick the living shit out of them. In a normal environment I understand that flawed thinking. In a bar late at night? Uh, no.

          • willbest

            Just because you are drunk, doesn’t mean that you should get a pass for your actions. Perhaps we shouldn’t have done away with dueling.

          • CanadaBear

            Drunk is not a valid excuse ever. It was beyond stupid what I saw on the tape. They could have easily charged her with something just to fuck with her but who wants to deal with a drunk girl that just got KO’d. They let her walk. Can’t say that was a terrible decision.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No one ever gets a pass for being drunk. Trust me on that.

          • Sahr Gborie

            We don’t know what happened with Rice and his wife. All we saw was what happened in the elevator and not before.

            That’s a toddler that cant reason at all. This is a grown woman. She reasoned that because she was a woman there would be no retaliation for what she did.

            Dont want to make it a race thing but this is how the sytem works when you are black. He should have known better but hes a kid. Hes caught up in the moment but its still not an excuse.

            She needs to be charged with assault. But we know that will never happen

          • Sahr Gborie

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqn90iDgIgA

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTIAuj3pHgk

            Notice how they start off with blaming him for hitting her and they saying that allegedly she taunted him. Basically they don’t believe him at all.

            He spends 4 days in jail while she went home

          • King of DBB

            Waffle was talking about Mixon, not some New York Subway.

            She retreated into the sandwich shop because she tried to get away from him. He followed her in and started berating her.

            And then he knocked her out.

            Bengals love them prison bitches. Bad mamma jammas.

        • Johnnywad

          So if a woman slaps you because you’re an asshole, you plan to knock her out or break her jaw? Sweet.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Define asshole. Your talking as if life is just black and white with no gray area at all

  • King of DBB

    Jaye Howard used to play backup NT when Dontari Poe came out for the Chiefs in their NASCAR package.

    He is a big body and will probably send Bullard or Unrein packing. Probably Bullard.

    • Ososfan

      Lmao. Please. Bullard is a 3round pick with a lot of potential but was extremely overcome with how difficult the NFL was compared to college. If he hits the weight room and listens and hustles, he should be fine.

      • King of DBB

        This reminds me of Waffle’s joke about white linebackers from Rutgers.

        “If he was only bigger and faster and stronger, he’d be dominant.” – Linebackers Dad, when interviewed.

    • Bullard’s not going anywhere. He’s one year removed from being a 3rd round pick. Not guaranteed many snaps this year, but would be highly surprising if they cut him.

      I still think Bullard has a lot of potential. He plays a different style than the other guys on the DL, would be great for them if he took a big leap this year.

      • Ososfan

        Agreed, his get-off is ridiculous. If only he had more strength and better technique… :/

        • leftcoast dave

          I would hope that kid’s been doing some strength conditioning. It takes an extraordinary young body to be able to perform there right out of college.

      • King of DBB

        So if Bullard gets released I can come back here and say I told you so?

        • Jes. I don’t think Fangio was high on Bullard either but Dlinemen not named Suh take time tp develop
          This is prolly insurance for both Goldman and Bullard.
          Hard to see Unrein making 53 now barring INJ

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Unrein will make the team as a fullback.

        • absolutely.

      • SC Dave

        Better, and more likely IMO, would be for Kwiat to take the big leap.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      totally disagree I mean come on… wait oh yeah, nevermind I forgot you live in Chicago hence you are a BIGGER fan than us lowly out of towners and therefore must know more. My bad, go ahead with what you are saying.

      • King of DBB

        I’m glad you understand that now.

        Put it on a t-shirt. Wear it on game Sunday.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          that’s a lot to put on a t-shirt. maybe I can shorten it to ‘GP is a Douchebag’.

          • King of DBB

            I can live with that.

    • BearDown100393

      Mitch Unrein is a Bear for life. Pace dare not send Mitch packing.

      As a sidebar, the Bears must be the only team in NFL history to employ 2 “MItches”.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I bet Mitch is so big because when he was a kid his nickname was ‘urine’. Cue steroids and weights.

    • I really like that signing (even tho i loathe the dreaded 1 yr deal).
      Pace signed the type pf FAs i wanted, he just bought the addidas and not the Jordan’s.
      Wanted Alshon-pryor. Got like 4 wrs.
      Wanted Bouye-billsCB, got Prince and co.
      Wanted Hankins, got this dude
      Gotta figure if u sling enough shit something will stick

      • Sahr Gborie

        I love the 1 yr. We are renting talent until we can get a replacement in the draft for cheap

        • The whole point of FA is to fill long term holes so you don’t have to reach in the draft and truly lean BPA.
          1 yr deals are bandaids at best.
          Then what usu ends up happening if they have a good yr is the GM must now be in the undesirable position of having to judge if it was a fluke (and over paying) or not.
          I prefer the deals we gave Young ir McPhee.
          2-3 yr modest deals frontloaded

          • Sahr Gborie

            the man has a busted hip – i will take him on a 1 year. the ones pace really likes get more than 1 year. Hicks, McPhee. the 1 year prove it is not just for the bears but for the player to put together tape for the rest of the league as well.

        • Captain Obvious

          Hicks was a great pickup. Any of these guys pans out as well as Hicks has, I’m happy.

      • SC Dave

        That last sentence looks like the plan. Maybe it’s a good one. Shit, I dunno.

  • Malice Halice

    It’s sad how ppl STILL talkin shit on dat network about football yet for some many analysts n smarties on that channel I have yet to hear them mention “for just 45 mil and a 3rd n 2 4ths the bears acquired 2 sought after QB’s” a lot of mouths finna taste feet….
    I guarantee it

    • King of DBB

      You know what’s great about this debate?

      How soon it will be resolved.

      Let’s see what the mood is on October 1st on this blog. Should be interesting.

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, when Glennon *somehow* has us at 4-1…

    • 505Bears

      2 sought after QBs?

    • BearDown100393

      Change the channel.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Gotta ignore the talking heads on the networks, they’re almost all fucking idiots. Skip Bayless? Stephen A Smith? I’d rather listen to fucking Michael Bolton.

      • SC Dave

        Gawd, and that’s saying something!

  • willbest

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-family-kicked-delta-flight-threatened-jail-refusing-give-toddler-n755141

    This airline abuse thing is like the Cosby rapes, every day there is a new victim.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I think we’ll do a lot better than last year as long as Glennon doesn’t completely shit the bed. We were in most of those losses last year until the end despite starting 3 QBs during the season and over half the starters losing time to injury. I’d never seen an injury situation like that before.

  • BerwynBomber
    • EnderWiggin

      He’s gonna be awesome in the booth.

      • Captain Obvious

        I hope he doesn’t take it seriously. I want him to put on his Smokin’ Jay Cutler character and be just a total frat bro dick. Interview a guy, or be analyzing a play when the QB does something stupid and turns over the ball, and just stop what’s he’s talking about to say, “Yeah, whatever, man. I don’t care.”

        There are two ways to be a good/entertaining TV guy. Be really competent and insightful and not annoying. Or to be colorful and fun. Cutler can’t do #1; he might as well go for #2, and go balls-out in doing it.

        • BerwynBomber

          Cutler is not going to play some caricature that you bought into about him. He can do “#1”. And my guess is he will.

    • Ososfan

      I agree

      • leftcoast dave

        I love it. Now Cutty gets to be the dude who can talk about the coaches and management instead of wearing a muffler on his mouth.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Mark Sanchez : A Cautionary Tale for Trub

    When the Bears signed Mark Sanchez, I have to say it was really a head scratcher for me. There were other veteran back up names out there. So why him? Well, we now know Pace had his mind set on Trub long time back (may be end of 2016). And it looks like Pace studied what happened with Mark Sanchez.

    Go back and scouting reports on Sanchez. You replace Sanchez with Trub. It is now clear to me why Pace signed Sanchez out of nowhere.


    “It almost seems funny now to read the scouting reports about Mark Sanchez, draft analysts the country over were drooling over his accuracy, his ability to move his feet and throw on the run, his poise and confidence in the pocket. I think this perfectly illustrates how one year is simply not enough time to get an accurate read on a player, and how college football is compltely different to the pros, it’s hard enough to judge with 3-4 years worth of film, let alone a single season and a handful of games.”

    He was thrown into the fire right away. And this how it ended.

    “He went from highly touted high school player, to college back-up, to college starter, to rose bowl MVP, to mistake prone NFL rookie, to history making post-season quarterback, to a quarterback with potential to a quarterback who is lost, scared and out of his depth in a media market that will eat you for breakfast.”

    http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/12/10/3746316/mark-sanchez-how-hope-turned-to-despair

    • Captain Obvious

      This is the problem, isn’t it?

      Would Favre have been great if he hadn’t had the right coaching & environment? What about Rodgers? Sex Cannon was reportedly Green Bay’s target in the draft, but we got him instead and he never became anything more than what we drafted — maybe in Cheeseland, he would’ve developed into Favre 2.0

      Trubisky has the stats and the tools to be really good, if not great. A lot of his utlimate success (or failure) is on the coaching staff.

      • BerwynBomber

        I tend to think great will be great regardless of the situation. It is team success where their coaching and front office smarts is reflected.

        Or to put it another way, you could have dropped Brady, Rodgers or Brees on any of the 32 organizations in the league the last ten years and they still would have been great. But no way Brady comes near five rings w/out Belichick.

        Sanchez, with better coaching, could have been competent/good, but not great. Otherwise, we would have seen more of that by now.

        Same for Harbaugh way back when.

  • Captain Obvious

    Here’s what it comes down to, guys. For all of us — whether we agreed with the pick/draft, or whether we are pissed that Pace didn’t re-stock the secondary, draft Howard, trade down, etc.

    We all (mostly) want Trubisky to turn out to be The Guy. We want that franchise-defining QB that other storied franchises seem to get. We don’t want to have to define our QB as “the best since Luckman.” We just want a guy to be “the best.”

    Now, whether that means Trubisky plays this year or sits all year is another story. And probably the big drama for the coming season.

    Does wanting this kid to be The Answer at QB mean we give up our Man Cards? Does it mean we’re being toothless, buying into the McCaskey incompetence, supporting a shitty team, etc.? No. It means we want something to turn out right. There is cause for optimism, and we want to be rewarded for it.

    And before a single day of training camp, a single preseason snap, no one can say Trubisky is good, bad, or indifferent. No one can say the Bears are on the path to greatness, shittiness, or mediocrity. So this is when we get to be optimists. This is when we get to hope. If our dreams come crashing down on the Soldier Field “turf” in September, so be it.

    But for now, we get to think about what-ifs and what-could-bes, with the first genuine potential rookie franchise QB in a long time. Let us have our hope.

    • leftcoast dave

      Woulda, coulda, shoulda ain’t reality. What is, is. Look at the D line now. I likes it. LBs? Gonna’ be good, could be great. We have 19 DBs back there with three new experienced FAs and a potentially great draft pick. The rest of the DBs are mostly young guns with promise and needing experience as well as the help they will get from the additions.

      This can be a very good D.

      The O? Only getting better at every position with Sanchez there to learn up the rook.

      9-7 is my floor and playoffs likely.

      Bear Down!

      • Ososfan

        Hell yea Dave! Couldn’t have said it any better!

      • CanadaBear

        What do you see in the LB’s to make that statement? Freeman and if Floyd can remain healthy, are good. McPhee and DT have major injury concerns and there’s just JAG’s after that.

        • leftcoast dave

          Quick was surprisingly good. McPhee is an injury concern, but looks like he dropped weight and is ready to rumble. Floyd? What is the upside after his first great year when on the field? The backups are more than just JAGs. It was one area I wanted to see addressed in the draft, but Pace feels good there and the quality of the upgrades front and back should help tremendously.

          • CanadaBear

            Show me which backups are more than JAG’s. Anderson, Timu, DT (may never play again) Kwiat, Acho, Young (possibly), Jones, Houston? Other than if Willie recovers, not much there to like.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Wow.

        What precisely do you like about our DL Dave?

        I hope to hear good things about the NT.

        Eddie WAS the NT .. I just don’t see how he can play DE.

  • Captain Obvious

    Hey, is Clady a good option for us? He’s still available as a FA.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I wonder why.

  • leftcoast dave

    I’d like to see Pace give Michael Floyd a shot with a character clause which gets us out of it as needed. Dude has skills and size but needs a full time driver or an Uber account.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Ryan Pace lost all his capital with George McCaskey on signing guys with character issues after the Ray MacDonald fiasco. Remember, they had McCaskey call and talk to McDonald before signing. So it was a personal embarrassment for Pace when McDonald again committed domestic violence.

      You can forget guys with even slightest of character issues being ever signed by Pace again. Floyd was DUI with 4-5 times over the limit. That is seriously irresponsible and threat to others on the road.

      • leftcoast dave

        No doubt about it. But Floyd is from St. Paul and a Domer. Maybe bringing him back to the Midwest closer to his roots and good peeps around him can help. If he plays out, he would be a steal with his big body. If he f’s up, not much risked.

      • CanadaBear

        Lots of people quit drinking. No reason Floyd can’t. If he doesn’t, C-ya.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          That is not the issue.

          The issue is ‘Is Pace willing to stick his neck out again in front of McCaskey?’ …or
          Does Pace have McCaskey’s permission to stick his neck out again on players with character issues?

          My guess is no.

          • BearDown100393

            Since when are the McCaskeys the NFL guardians of morality?

            Ted Phillips is on the payroll.

            Enough said.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Dude, it is not about morality. It his about PR. Wake up. Companies are amoral. They just want to avoid bad PR.

          • BearDown100393

            The NFL is amoral already. It pays its employees to receive brain damage. And we are the customers paying for the product. The PR is a smokescreen designed to make all of us feel better.

          • CanadaBear

            And is he willing to risk his rep on another character concern.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And he doesn’t need to. We have WRs out the kazoo.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t honestly see a roster spot for him on the Bears. For once, we are jam-packed at the position. White is fourth, but then we have Bellamy, Braverman, Wilson(?)….Thompson … and is Eddie Royal a Bear?

          No room at the inn for a drunk.

          Says a drunk.

          • CanadaBear

            Anyone can quit and straighten out their life if they want it bad enough. The Bears WR room is short on talent so I’m pretty sure Floyd would make the team if he was cleaned up. Meredith, Randle Wright and Wheaton will battle it out for playing time. White might be good or he might not (I’m guessing not due to injuries). The rest of the WR’s on the roster are unlikely to make a difference.

      • BearDown100393

        Ray MacDonald never even dressed.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          That was the worst part. The only thing Fangio, Pace, and McCaskey got out of the episode was a black face.

          • BearDown100393

            I remember. I also recall blowing a gasket that he got even got an invite. However, the team did ultimately get rid of him. Looking back, I personally am not that worked up about it anymore nor really hold it against Pace, Fangio, McCaskey, Fox etc. I just don’t anymore.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      the NFL partnered with Uber a couple years ago and even give the players a couple hundred buck to use it. And before the Uber partnership the NFL provide a car service.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2013/09/04/to-avoid-duis-nfl-players-partner-with-uber-for-car-service/#71a61f4e1def

      The problem is players don’t use it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Then put them in jail like the rest of us.

  • willbest

    “DBB announces its retirement from ever debating Jay Cutler’s Bears career again.” – Jeff

    Lets see. Its early may now… the season officially starts early September. I figure the over/under line is some around 5 months.

    • leftcoast dave

      Jay who?

    • BerwynBomber

      Months? More like days or hours.

      Looks like a ton of it happened below since last night.

      • willbest

        I assume it only applied to Jeff not the rest of us.

  • BerwynBomber

    The Score reported yesterday that Cutler absolutely nailed his audition. Cutty studied/analyzed every play of every game the Burkhardt/Lynch crew announced last year and knew every player on the field, including the back-ups to the back-ups, and anticipated the give and take rhythym with Burkhardt. He blew them away at Fox with his preparation and intelligence. He totally earned it in the audition process.

    Moreover, even though they are starting Cutler in a three-man booth, many at Fox thought he immediately should be in a two man booth. He was that good.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/

    • BearDown100393

      Aikman’s time is up.

      • BerwynBomber

        Nah. Aikman’s still good. He’ll be #1 at Fox until either he or Buck retires.

        But Jay landed the #2 spot/crew. It’s probably where CBS should have put Romo instead of kicking Simms to the curb and immediately giving him the #1 gig.

        • CanadaBear

          Totally agree about easing Romo into it. Maybe he’s a natural. Seems pretty likable.

          • BearDown100393

            Yeah the future Ryan Seacrest of the NFL media room has arrived.

        • BearDown100393

          Buck has an eye out for fresher meat in the booth.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He looks like a LOTR extra.

            I don’t know, I want to see either large men, or knowledgeable men in the booth.

            Not Lord Tyrion.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Aikman. Yeegads. He has a face you want to punch. He’s a cock-knocker.

          I’d like to see Collisnworth and Chucky in there, maybe with Jay as the threesome?

    • CanadaBear

      If he ends up being really good (and it wouldn’t surprise me if he is) it will be funny to watch all the people that hate Cutler try to find new ways to bitch about him.

      • BerwynBomber

        But then again, fans bitch about announcers all the time. The most common beefs are, so-and-so hates our team or QB, and so-and-so loves the opposition and their QB.
        Personally, I’ve always found the perceived bias thing silly.

        What I don’t find silly is when an announcer is just plain awful. David Diehl, anyone? That guy would be bad analyzing D2 college games. No way he should have ever come w/in 50 yards of NFL booth. And they shitcanned Billick for him? Mind-blowing dumb.

        • CanadaBear

          I thought Diehl was likable but not very informative. At least I didn’t hate him. I do believe some announcers are biased but usually biased towards a good team so they can be front runners.

      • Ososfan

        Exactly

      • Dale701

        no way

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m glad to have a Bear in a booth somewhere.

        Or is he “a Bear”? Will he talk about us like he’s an alum or a free agent?

    • willbest

      Its not really surprising that a guy who had to learn 7 offensive playbooks and scrimmage against 4 different defenses would be competent in understanding what is going on the field while watching the all-22.

      • BerwynBomber

        Your sarcasm aside, a lot of these guys can be geniuses on the field (or in Cutty’s case, geniuses in the film room), but in a booth or studio be a far, far cry from the X’s and O’s analysis that, say, a Gruden provide.

        Ever listen to Joe Montana way back when? He offered nothing.

        • willbest

          I wasn’t really trying to be sarcastic. I think all that study gives him an edge in terms of breaking down what he is seeing live. Even if he wasn’t the best at observing, processing, and executing on the field with 300lb men chasing after him.

          Now making it interesting is a different skill altogether. His early dealing with the medias are controlling a lot of the expectations around these part, but from a national perspective there are a lot of other more interesting things to talk about, so the bias won’t be as pronounced outside the Chicago market.

          • Dale701

            It was not that, it was the strip sacs!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            that is really a misnomer. Cutler was about average when it came to fumbles each year. However since he was on the team you root for it seems like it was an inordinate amount, but when you put it into context of all NFL QBs it was average.

          • BerwynBomber

            Sure about that? Looks like he had the highest average per year of any starter with significant time under his belt in his era. Although it was the INTs where he really made his rep.

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fumbles_career.htm

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I did the math a couple months ago, mainly to disprove MBs irrational belief Jay leads the NFL in fumbles every year. Cutler’s average is between 8 and 9 fumbles per year. I figured the average number of fumbles each team can expect from the QB position each year. That average came out between 8 and 9 fumbles per year. I did this from 2009-2016. So Jay is average.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well just a quick look at those totals and basic division suggest MB was right. At least from a yearly average perspective.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He did hold the ball down by his side a lot though, which is obviously bad form.

  • Ososfan

    Wish Cutler all the best.

    • BearDown100393

      Toughest diabetic to ever play in the NFL.

    • King of DBB

      I respect the guy. He NEVER threw team mates under the bus. EVER.

      He let them hate on him but never gave them the satisfaction of cracking him. And so they hated him more.

  • Bender McLugh

    Drunkenly excited for this team. Drunkenly I say!!

    • Dale701

      i have determined that the Chicago Bears will be the most exciting Nfl team to watch this season.
      I will explain my reasons in the next article.
      But if anyone can figure it out, it might be Irish.

      • Dale701

        I think I know Mr Pace’s plan

        • Dale701

          He may know to fit players together.

        • Ososfan

          3 TE sets??. But there is ALOT of SPEED on this O now…

        • Sahr Gborie

          short passing attack with speedy WR’s. dink and dunk all day long

          • Irish Sweetness

            No running?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Looking forward to the offense, Dale – on paper, anyway. No idea what that defense will look like though.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Holee sheet..didn’t realize Trub is so jacked up. 352 hang..

    https://mobile.twitter.com/loustrength/status/808480080913694720?lang=en

    • CanadaBear

      He’s a big boy. I watched that Gruden half hour show about MT yesterday. His arms definitely have some definition. Not sure if it means much. Jay out benched a lot of lineman at the combine back in the day.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • CanadaBear

      The Bears drafted the second most productive back in the draft in the fifth rd and won 3 games. Hmmmmm.

      • willbest

        That isn’t what this is saying. This is saying your average wins improvement over the previous season with a top 5 draft pick based on the position you drafted.

        • CanadaBear

          I get that Wil. My point is the premise is flawed.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If the staff had the sense to start our best back in week one, no telling what he would have achieved.

        • willbest

          Your theory is Howard prevents Jay from breaking his thumb/shoulder?

        • Johnnywad

          Rookies are rarely ready to be a #1 when the season starts.

          • leftcoast dave

            Need to see what is happen out of your system in real time and see what went right, but better what went wrong to get ready for it.

    • willbest

      Yeah for low sample sizes. 9 RBs? 2 Guards?

      And look at that list of RBs

      Why was Dallas drafting in the top 5? Oh right they lost their quality QB to season ending injury. They went 12-4 in 2014 and 13-3 in 2016. So Zeke should be written down for +1 win, except he gets to stack the analysis with +9 wins.

      How about the Bears drafting C-dunk. His 272 rushes on 67 carries is the reason the Bears went from 5-11 to 11-5? But he is good for +6 wins in that list of theirs.

      How about Reggie bush in 2006? He was the reason they went from 3-13 to 10-6? Good for +7 Or perhaps was it the fact they signed Drew Brees that year.

  • Malice Halice

    So cutler too scared to ball huh? Thanks for everything/nothin. I was hoping he would give it another go to either prove that my fondness of him being in Chicago was worth it by seeing him prosper in another city or insure my current thoughts on him that he’s a p.o.s and should’ve never played ball after Denver. Something we will never know. Regardless of either thoughts he robbed us whether we wanted it or not.

    • SC Dave

      he has $ tens of millions , a young family and several concussions.

      what part about it is idiotic for him to play football you dont get?

      • leftcoast dave

        It is akin to those people saying we should hire Harbaugh to replace Fox.

        Yea, he wants to leave Michigan, his infant child, his kid on his coaching staff, not to mention being the highest paid person in the state for what? Like he is not already living the dream and for some stoopid reason thinks coaching again in the NFL will somehow improve his life?

        I love it how Cutty has already come out telling da Bears not to throw Trub in to the wolves. Gee, what does that say about how he feels he was “protected” all these years? Granted, we now have a better than respectable O line. But that is only the half of it when you still don’t have the system or the reads down. Let Glenny pave the way while Sanchez learns the kid up on the sidelines. “See that? He should have read this, or read that.”

        • BerwynBomber

          “Gee, what does that say about how he feels he was “protected” all these years?”

          Don’t know if it was much about that if you read the entire quote. He was basically saying that rookie QBs who succeed have a very strong supporting cast around them, or in the case of a guy like Wilson, a helluva D. Or in his own case (and even Wentz’s last year) a very strong QB-minded HC. Plus, by the time Cutty landed in Chicago, he was a few years removed from being a rook.

          Seemed more along the lines of “don’t drop Trub in there and have him throw 40 times a game”.

          • leftcoast dave

            Yea, totally agree as in “your organization needs to figure it out when it comes to how you handle your QB.”

            Which is to say, he is restating the obvious.

      • Malice Halice

        I understand, but he came the THE FUCK UP off Chicago and for what? I need that fucker to prove either he was great or a scrub. What ever endeavors he has in life I can’t support unless he’s on a field

        • SC Dave

          No one really cares what you need Jay Cutler to do, particularly him.

    • BerwynBomber

      He was neither a savior nor a waste. He was a flawed, talented, competent, average starter … which automatically makes him better than 90% of others who have played that position for us.

      The Angelo move was a good/smart one. Completely justifiable given what we knew of him at the time. The Emery move (to give him an elite contract) was not. Damn near unjustifiable given what we knew of him by then.

      But it is over now. Looking forward to what he has to say an analyst/member of the media.

    • Bender McLugh

      jeezus. just shut the f up already

      • AlbertInTucson

        How DARE Jay Cutler not hang around to be a a tackling dummy / punching bag!

        SMH.

  • DaMurph

    Can’t we just get to training camp? Prove us wrong, show us this was a great draft!

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