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Chicago Bears Big Board

| March 15th, 2017

I just don’t think the Bears are going to take a quarterback with the third pick.

Through the first two waves of free agency, I saw Pace as someone who was just trying to plug as many holes as he could so that they could pick up some wins and he’d get a chance to keep building the team next offseason. George McCaskey made it clear that he isn’t patient and I think Pace heard that message. Mike Glennon is a reliable player who Pace hopes can be just good enough to get him to next offseason.

It’s possible that Pace sees upside in Glennon; sees him as somebody who could potentially be the answer. Realistically, I think Pace is just hoping Glennon can buy him more time.

My hunch is that Pace has ID’d his answer and it’s Jimmy Garoppolo. Drafting a quarterback in the first round this year would mean he couldn’t realistically go after Garoppolo next year. Sticking with Glennon and a QB drafted later leaves all options on the table.

Even if it’s not Garoppolo, I haven’t gotten any indication that he believes the answer is among the guys available early in this draft. Pace had made comments about valuing decision making (Watson), experience (Trubisky) and elevating their teams and programs (Kizer and Mahomes). Perhaps those were all part of a smoke screen. But I’m not betting on it. I do think the Bears will draft a quarterback at some point but my guess is Pace will view that player in the same light he sees Glennon – someone who could be the answer, but probably isn’t.

If it were up to me, Deshaun Watson would be the pick, but it isn’t up to me and here’s how I think the Bears have their big board stacked at this point:

5. Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.

The Bears grabbed two lottery tickets in Marcus Cooper and Prince Amukamara, but Lattimore is considered to be a star. The rumor is they were after Jalen Ramsey last year so Lattimore would make sense. The only concern is that he has a history of hamstring injuries.

4. Jamal Adams, S, LSU.

There’s a lot to like about Adams, but the positional value doesn’t add up unless he’s an elite safety from Day One. I’m not going to say he won’t be, but his speed was brought into question after the combine and he didn’t show a lot of ball skills in college.

3. Solomon Thomas, Edge, Stanford.

Thomas is a slightly bigger, more athletic version of Shaq Lawson, who was a first round pick last year. He’s a terrific athlete, but raw as a pass-rusher. Was inconsistent last year. Could be somebody whose ability is too tantalizing for the Bears to pass up.

2. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama.

Allen is a Day 1 starter as some sort of freak combination of Mitch Unrein and Jonathan Bullard. He’d rotate with Eddie Goldman and Akiem Hicks, playing most passing downs and improving the team’s pass rush. There were some concerns about his shoulders, but the fact that Vic Fangio attended Alabama’s Pro Day and that they’re bringing him in for a visit tells me the Bears probably aren’t too concerned.

1. Myles Garrett, Edge, Texas A&M.

Freak pass rusher compared by many to Julius Peppers. Probably won’t be there for the Bears, but the Browns and 49ers just might take quarterbacks or trade to teams who will. Crazier things have happened. Hell, that scenario happened just last year.

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  • Captain Obvious

    Oh, we can pray for Garrett.

    And while we’re at it, let’s pray Cleveland does us a solid and trades their #12 for our 2nd-round pick. Just for fun.

    • Sahr Gborie

      in what world does God grant that wish….not even the browns are that bad

      • Captain Obvious

        That’s the point. Garrett dropping to #3 is a pipe dream. I wouldn’t even have him on the board, because if he drops to us, you throw your board away and grab him.

        No, the serious discussion is between Hooker, Adams, Thomas at #3. Lattimore’s hamstrings scare me.

        Of course a lot of people would prefer we trade down 6 spots, pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick, and still land Hooker or Adams.

        But only in someone’s drug-fueled fantasy do we land Garrett at #3. And if we’re gonna dream like that, maybe we dream up more stupid fantasy crap, too.

        • Sahr Gborie

          the 2 teams ahead of us are in need of a qb. it is a possibility no matter how slim. who thought manzel would be drafted. its a slimmer possibility than your skinny jeans but im not giving up until he is off the board.

          most likely we land adams/hooker/thomas/lattimore….im cool with all of them

          a trade down is not that bad if we can still get lattimore depending how far down we go

        • Irish Sweetness

          Why, specifically, is Fournette not in the convo? Why are the second and third DEs in the convo?

  • Bender McLugh

    no Hooker. Injury concern Jeff? He’s elite in every aspect. I don’t buy the recent chatter on here about him not being able to tackle, he’s shown plenty of ability in that area.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      experience, injury, and poor tackling concerns just make picking him a little too much to tackle with #3.

      • Bender McLugh

        injury is nothing, you’ve agreed with this point. Experience? His talent don’t need no stinkin’ experience! Obviously you know where I stand on the tackling

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          just saying too many concerns to be taken at #3. and he is a pretty poor tackler.

          • Bender McLugh

            grrrrrrrr

          • Bender McLugh

            I’d be good with any of these picks honestly. If they do go with Allen it’s absolutely not based on his last game. In Pace we trust.

          • Sahr Gborie

            hell no i dont trust pace if he drafts allen(injury)…K.WHITE all over again. but this time you know he is damaged. take the safe bet and go for THOMAS if you want to solidify the line

          • Bender McLugh

            is Allen injured too? I missed that

          • Sahr Gborie
          • Bender McLugh

            ahhh I thought that was a different player with that. thanks man.

          • MB30SD

            He’s just not worth a 3 from what I’ve seen

          • Irish Sweetness

            If they go with a tweener at #3 when there’s a possible HoF RB on the board….

      • Johnnywad

        I see it. What you did there……

    • MB30SD

      I’ve said the injuries are a zero for me. Totally a non issue.

      The experience is what happens when you’re 20 and a sophomore. Meh, 7 INTs 3 run back for TDs… I’m MORE excited by his lack of experience and his performance than the opposite… Imagine what he can be with NFL coaching. Stars in eyes on that one.

      Now… The tackling. You know how high I was on him maings. Don’t look at his highlight tape… Go find his game tape, it’s easy to find, search for hooker game tape. One company or guy does it… It’s like his highlight tape but a whole game where they point him out with an arrow before each play.

      Once I watch 10-15 minutes of two games of his against​ big name opponents, my heart sunk a little. He’s a Fucking horrid tackler. And I don’t mean he flies in or takes bad angles, I mean he looks totally scared almost every time he needs to take a guy out, especially 1:1. He dives at feet, he’s timid at the point of contact… Contrast him with Adams’ tape. Diametric opposite maings.

      Pretty concerning. That said, he is young and he is a FS… So I’ll probably be just as happy with him or Adams, as long as we take one of them.

      • Bender McLugh

        I just watched the vs. Penn State game tape for Hooker, and yeah he doesn’t go big contact, but he wraps. Also, his speed alters how guys were running at him, or so it seemed. You are right about him going for the legs alot, but I can’t say that makes him a shit tackler or is scared. To me it seemed like he didn’t want to get juked out of his shoes, but that could be a rose-colored view.

        For a FS I think he’s the best out there. Who would he compare to in the game today that is on a current NFL team? (and don’t you fucking say Conte)

        • MB30SD

          Agree… And he can learn technique

        • Yeah, Hooker’s tackles aren’t going to make any highlight reels, and he seems to put his head down and dive a bit too readily, but add some pounds, technique and experience, and maybe he cleans that up.

      • Bender McLugh

        tackles the legs example:
        https://youtu.be/P1WBK7tUfFc?t=7m18s

        in coverage, flattens the guy – this is what he’ll really excel at:
        https://youtu.be/tOtzHYWJTqg?t=3m27s

        I dunno, I get your guys point though, this could be smoke & mirrors that leads to a tentative tackler that’s more of a liability than he should be. If Adams can fill the FS role then he’s the guy. If he can’t, then I’d rather have Hooker-Amos back there.

        • MB30SD

          Agree

        • Adams is not a FS though.

          He’ll be a SS.

          • Bender McLugh

            Eggzacts

        • Irish Sweetness

          We just signed a FS.

      • Bender McLugh

        and of course, fast as shit on the blitz:
        https://youtu.be/tOtzHYWJTqg?t=10m44s

        • MB30SD

          Totally, that’s not my gripe

      • Hey, Prime Time is in the HOF without tackling!

        As long as we have a stout 7 and enforcer SS, that can help complement Hooker.

        Also, gotta look at our division. Which RB instills fear? Do the Puke, Meows, Queens even have RBs?

        Meanwhile, Stafford-Vadgers and even Bradford can dissect our coverage.

        Plus, like you said, he’s still young, and he was playing through injuries.

        It’s kinda a catch 22 though.

        A ballhawking FS whose tackling is lacking, or a hammer SS who can’t ballhawk.

        I still say the former is more preferable.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Don’t know if I want Prime on my team. He’s a self-confessed pussy.

          No stats fro all the tackles he didn’t want to make. No ‘me’ in ‘team’.

      • Irish Sweetness

        First time his name was mentioned on here as a thing, that’s what I saw on his tape. Nice fielder, but he’ll get bust up in the pros.

        • MB30SD

          Nah, he’ll be ok.

          He’s 6’2″ 215… He’ll be fine

  • BearDown100393

    Premature aging arthritic shoulders isn’t a big deal.

    • Sahr Gborie

      until he becomes a bust in 2-3 yrs….think K.WHITE

  • BerwynBomber

    MIN signs Latavius Murray (RB).

    • willbest

      If thier tackles stay healthy they should be a contender

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        didn’t they sign 2 new tackles. do they have injury histories?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Opportunities for /interest in AP seem to be shrinking.

      • BerwynBomber

        AP has always been a one-dimensional back. Granted, it is one fuck of a HoF dimension, but once it ages there is a little to fall back on. Same thing happened with Jared Allen (not that I’m suggesting they’re comparable talents), but once he could no longer be a top-line pass rusher there wasn’t much left to his game.

        That said, AP has surprised people before, so if he rushed for 1,200 yards this year it might not be shocking.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He probably has an unrealistic compensation expectation, as well.

        • Sahr Gborie

          welcome to chi-town AP

          • willbest

            I hope not, Langford is a better back than AP now.

          • Sahr Gborie

            rotation my friend. rotation

          • willbest

            And Carey is better too. And Jizz, and the guy you draft in the 6th round. AP is done.

          • Sahr Gborie

            he could help mentor howard and it would be nice if we caught fire this year and he came along for the ride. after all the years of damage he did to us it would be nice if we caught fire and took him to the promised land

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            mentor? SMH. How much is there to mentor with RBs? either they have vision and patience or they don’t. See hole, hit hole. It is that simple.

          • Scharfinator

            Also, don’t fumble.

          • MB30SD

            that’s what sh…. never mind. too easy

          • Sahr Gborie

            how to take care of your body…the nuances of the game…never mind

          • Irish Sweetness

            Didn’t look like Jordan needed any help …..

          • BerwynBomber

            Don’t be silly. Langford and Carey will be better than AP the day AP retires.

            I wouldn’t want AP now either but you were also the one who kept telling us last year how MIN would be better off w/out AP. MIN then finished dead last in total rushing, total rushing yards and yards per carry.

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing

          • willbest

            And AP was their worst back in YPC. But they lost both their starting tackles and a guard. What can you do when your oline has 3 JAGs on it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Tell this to the Cutty haters.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fuck that noise.

            We have the 3 pick to draft a guy that’s BETTER than AP was.

  • Sahr Gborie

    THOMAS over ALLEN(injuries)

    • Ososfan

      Definitely

    • Those shoulders are concerning.
      Plus, he seems more like a 4-3 DT.

      • Sahr Gborie

        if any player is injured you should just avoid them in round 1. round 1 players for the most part should be able to play from day one. they are the true building blocks of the franchise. you cant/wouldn’t build a house with cracked 2×4’s so why do it with your franchise

  • MB30SD

    We have no shot at Garrett

    • Johnnywad

      Normally no. But look at the two clusterfucks in front of us. Anything could happen.

      • Sahr Gborie

        now here is a man with a plan…let the chicken clusters fight it out at qb

        • AlbertInTucson

          Said it before. Two teams passed on Michael Jordan back in the day…

          • Sahr Gborie

            cross your fingers on drat night and pray the 2 clowns ahead of us pass on GARRETT

          • MB30SD

            you guys are cray… I’m just fucking praying pace does the right thing and doesn’t pull a fucking Emery.

          • Sahr Gborie

            no way he pulls an Emery…how can he go wrong with so much talent on the board? please tell me

          • MB30SD

            exactly. I have bears draft PTSD (no offence Capt. O)

          • willbest

            The 1 player Emery didn’t get cute with has done zip for us. Shea gave us a shot to win the division in 2013 and was a starter on the SB winning Patriots. Long is a beast. Fuller? Had a couple picks against San Fran and has been on break since.

          • MB30SD

            “Shea gave us a shot to win the division in 2013 and was a starter on the SB winning Patriots.”

            I can no longer take you seriously. smfh

          • Sahr Gborie

            look at what he did for new England. bilecheck is going “so yeah, I signed your player, you was using him wrong”…..hahahahah

          • MB30SD

            Year Team COMB AST Sack INT YDS TD

            2016
            Patriots
            41 25 1.0 0 0 0

            lighting it. on. fire. (rolls fucking eyes)

          • Sahr Gborie

            dont be mad at me. be mad at bill

          • MB30SD

            40 tackles, 1 sack. For a guy drafted in the top 10 (I think?)

          • willbest

            If Shea didn’t break Rodger’s collar bone we wouldn’t have even been sitting there in week 17 with a shot at the division.

          • MB30SD

            I can no longer take your seriously.

            So your pitch for us wasting a high rd 1 pick on that shitweasle is the dude got fucking lucky when rodgers fell on his shoulder wrong while asshat was riding him to the ground.

            Got it, your credibility has been completely restored.

            You’re better than this will.

          • Sahr Gborie

            we were using him wrong….blame EMERY/LOVIE

          • willbest

            You can be pissed all you want about the sheer luck of the opportunity. However, you cannot deny that both of Emery’s WTF picks (Shea and Long) had more positive impact on the Bears chances to make the playoffs than the safe choice of Fuller.

            And I know he isn’t lighting the world on fire in NE. But the fact remains Hoodie found him useful enough to make one of his 4 ILBs. He also said fuck it I will start Shea we can ship Collins to the Browns.

          • MB30SD

            OLB… and situational at best. dude had one sack and 40 tackles.

            Early. First. Round. Pick.

          • willbest

            You are absolutely right. He shouldn’t have been drafted there. But apparently he is one of those 4th round glue guys that hangs around for a decade in the NFL.

          • Captain Obvious

            This, 1000x this.

            OPS could not cover. Period. He was undersized as a rusher, and didn’t have enough strength to bull-rush. What do you do with an undersized, under-muscled guy who can’t cover but who is fast and has a “high motor?” Make him a situational rusher off the edge.

            A guy like that, if he’s getting to the QB every damned play, might be worth a 1st round pick. As it is, if he’s playing 1/3rd of the time, shouldn’t have been picked on the first day. And he definitely should not have been on the field as much as he was, getting shuttled from position to position.

            That was a train-wreck of a pick from beginning to end. There is no redeeming him. In fact, if he wouldn’t have broken Rodgers’ collarbone, he would have done nothing — NO THING — worth remembering.

            He’s a bigger first-round bust than Michael Haynes or Cedric Benson or Cade McNown — because at least all those guys were rated as being 1st rounders, and busts or not, that’s what they would’ve cost. Shea could have had the exact same career and impact and been a Bear for the cost of a 3rd round pick.

            MB, where’s the video you post of OPS running around in circles? That is THE perfect summation to his career with the Bears.

          • I still remember the now extinct Hub mag PFW rating Shea a 4rth rounder. FOURTH.

            Lots of ppl were giving Nawrocki (their lead scout) shit cuz Shea was drafted in the first, and rumors swirled that both the Pack and Pats were eying him in the late 1st.

            Both the Pack and Pats suckered us that’s for sure.

            And PFW was dead on with their Shea grade.

            I still remember the dopie ass Lovie rational when a reporter doubted Shea at DE

            “Didn’t he play LB in college?”

            Lovie indignant stare, ‘He also played 50% with his hand in the dirt’

            Man, I don’t know if I could be a reporter cuz my follow up question would’ve been

            “Did you know Shea is white, weighs about 220, and looks like a Smart and Final manager?”

            http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/wWjwLkuxDAPlyoGbKpJ4tg–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ–/http://media.zenfs.com/en-us/homerun/video.stack.com/3c91255a9dfae7a7d05635d1041d4ecd

          • Ososfan

            Stop being such a Damn Savage, MB! LOL!

          • Ososfan

            How so, sir? Shea was getting beat by FOURTH STRING TE’s in practice all year, and played an infinitesimal role for the Pats…

          • willbest

            If Rodgers hadn’t taken 6 games off in 2013, The fudgies would have been a 10 win team heading into week 17 against our 8-7 butts instead of 7-7-1. We wouldn’t have even had a shot at the division.

          • Ososfan

            Mercilus and Chandler Jones ( who I was beating the drum.on for weeks prior to the draft) were still on the board and Em-dawg took Mcwhateverhisname

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            does CD have a brother in the draft?

          • MB30SD

            god I hope not

          • Ososfan

            Ugghhh

          • Ososfan

            Pray with me, my brotha, to Papa Bear Halas..

      • willbest

        San Fran is looking like its putting a team together to draft first next year. I don’t see them passing on Garrett this year if the Browns take a QB

      • MB30SD

        nah, that would be fucking insanity, not just browns.

        They just pulled a kevin kostner/draft day and looked like the belle of the FA ball. I’d be shocked if they did something THAT dumb.

        • Sahr Gborie

          if they do maybe they know something that we dont

          • MB30SD

            yeah, it would be a shock.

      • Ososfan

        Seems like it ain’t the same ole’ browns anymore..

      • Yup, I could eaaaasily see Browns drafting Turbisky, then the 9ers panicking and taking Watson thinking the QB run is on.

        A bum convinced the Browns to draft Manziel.

        Literally A bum!

    • BearDown100393

      There’s always a chance for a congenital deformity to disclose!

      • MB30SD

        i guess

  • BearDown100393

    Let Mike Glennon announce the Bears first pick.

  • Sahr Gborie

    the base will be split no matter what we do at #3(ADAMS/HOOKER/WATSON/ALLEN). the only thing that might satisfy then is a trade back that still brings us ADAMS/HOOKER/WATSON/ALLEN

    • MB30SD

      yo, you should get a tech to check out your machine, your caps lock gets stuck every time you type the name of a draftee. weird right?!

      • Sahr Gborie

        weird…maybe….but no….just the ones im practicing witchcraft for….hahahaha

      • Scharfinator

        I THOUGHT YOU LIKED OUR CAPS CONVOS MB

        • MB30SD

          oh, please god

          • Johnnywad

            WHAT?

          • MB30SD

            make it stop

          • Scharfinator

            AWWW I’M SO SAD. CAN’T YOU TELL BY HOW IM TYPING?

          • Johnnywad

            YOU SHOULD STOP YELLING AT HIM THEN. RIGHT?

          • MB30SD

            you’re both assholes

          • Ososfan

            They should have some high-end ear plugs on uncrate MB haha!

          • MB’S VIRGIN ASSHOLE

            DOES SIRI YELL AT YOU WHEN YOU ASK HER TO SET YOUR ALARM FOR 5 MINUTES BEFORE YOUR DATE WILL WAKE UP?

          • Scharfinator

            WHO’S YELLING? I’M NOT YELLING

          • Johnnywad

            WHAT?

          • Scharfinator

            I DON’T KNOW ANYMORE WHATEVER

  • AlbertInTucson

    Is it true that Gruden asked Trubisky about his ‘Hard Count” and Trubisky didn’t know what that meant?

    • willbest

      Does that even sound plausible?

      • AlbertInTucson

        No. Wish I could remember who i heard say it about the guy.

    • Sahr Gborie

      that joke is not even funny…are you serious…where is the link?

      • Ososfan

        That’d be scary.

    • BearDown100393

      Trubisky: 10, 9, 8, 7…..

    • BearDown100393
    • Ososfan

      Well, he’s changed a lot after wanting to be known as Michelle now..

    • “I don’t need viagra, Mr. Gruden” – Trubisky on QB Camp.

  • Ososfan

    I actually like Adams (Adams a little more)or Hooker… Solomon Thomas is how my NYC peeps say “Da troof” The Allen Shoulders concern me I read an article saying he could be way better than Garrett. All I’m really, really, REALLY hoping for is for McPhee to be 100% having him being more than just a body out there would help our D significantly this year because he looked like an old man last year….

    • SC Dave

      All I know is when Irish posted that Thomas thing months ago, I was an immediate convert.

  • “Even if it’s not Garoppolo, I haven’t gotten any indication that he believes the answer is among the guys available early in this draft. Pace had made comments about valuing decision making (Watson),
    experience (Trubisky) and elevating their teams and programs (Kizer and Mahomes)” – AD

    Isn’t the knock on Watson his decision making (17ints), Trubisky inexperience (1 yr starter) and Kizer his loser ways (got benched twice)?

    • BerwynBomber

      LOL. And Mahomes “elevated his team” to a sub-500 mark.

      Sometimes AD makes me wonder …

  • Sahr Gborie

    new mock draft: http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/16/complete-7-round-bears-2017-nfl-mock-draft/

    3. Chicago Bears | Jamal Adams | S | LSU

    36. Chicago Bears | Garett Bolles | OT | Utah

    67. Chicago Bears | Teez Tabor | CB | Florida

    cant be mad at these 3…BPA + position of need

    • willbest

      Other than coverage won’t matter when the opposing QB will have 7 seconds to throw the ball.

  • Captain Obvious

    Here’s the thing: any guy we take in the 1st round could be crap. Garrett could turn out to be Clowney. Hooker could be great, but could be as injury-plagued as Mike Brown.

    So let’s temper our excitement. Whoever we get at #3 is going to look good on paper (even if it’s Watson). Law of averages says we should be due a few more Kyle Longs, for all the McNowns, Bensons, Haynses, Fullers, Carimis, McClellins, Williamses, and Terrells we’ve gotten.

    Ugh, that was depressing. Sorting the 1st-rounders we’ve gotten in the last 20 years, we have:

    Great:
    Urlacher
    Long
    Olsen (sorta… he turned out great for someone else, so that was sheer coaching/GM stupidity for not using him right and trading him for a sammich)
    Harris (time-limited due to injury, but he was still really, really good)

    Decent:
    Grossman (I know, I know, but he was an actual QB when he wasn’t injured)

    Crap:
    Enis
    McNown
    Terrell (had some decent production, but never lived up to 1st round promise)
    Colombo (this is all a freak injury, but still, the end result was crap)
    Haynes
    Benson
    Williams
    Carimi (mostly injury, some crappy coaching, but end result was crap)
    McClellin
    Fuller (might be early to call this one, but all indicators point to him ending up crap)

    Too early to tell on White. And Floyd, though if Floyd’s arrow keeps pointing up, he’ll be great.

    That works out to about 1/3 end up being decent or great, and 2/3 end up crap. If a 1st-round pick is supposed to be a 50/50 proposition, we’re due for 5 years of outstanding 1st round picks before we get another lemon.

    • willbest

      Clowney started to look the part this year, and you can hope for that for White. But Clowney isn’t a speedster with metal in his knee.

      • SC Dave

        And Clowney was more a monster than White ever was.

      • Scharfinator

        I mean, he did have knee surgery and he’s fast… but no I guess there isn’t any *metal* in it.

    • You could say we’re due, but anyone who has ever played roulette well knows, red could hit 19 times in a row.

      So you put it all on black, Wesley Snipes style, on the 20th spin.

      Red again….

      It’s some mathematical conundrum stats dude or Doc could explain.

      Supposed to be 50/50, but on an INFINITE timeline…ok, I’ve gone cross-eyed.

      • Scharfinator

        It has to do with humans naturally keyed to find patterns in certain things. We look for patterns, we look to expand probability to match our expectation of patterns even when that is flawed.

        We’re not due for a swing back. There’s no cosmic rebalance that will pay us back if we’re ‘due’. People talk about karma, but statistics don’t back it up. If the probability is that 50% of 1st rounders turn out good, we have a 50% to get a good one this year.

        • I think that at the END OF TIME it balances it out.

          So if you’re somehow an hour away from the end of time at the roulette table and it’s been hitting red for 1 millennia straight, then put it on black cuz stats say it will even out.

          Maybe? metaphysical math always makes me go cross-eyed.

      • SC Dave

        Each trial is independent, so (assuming you painted one green slot red and the other black) a 50/50 chance for red every spin. Completely independent of what happened in all previous spins.

        Where the odds get crazy is when you look for consecutive results. Two reds in a row is one chance in 4 (1/2 * 1/2); six in a row is one in 64 (2*2*2*2*2*2). Etc.

      • Captain Obvious

        Yeah, but every roll in roulette is independent, which is why you can have red 19 times in a row and it’s still 50/50 on the 20th roll. Draft picks are not independent. So we’re due.

        DON’T RUIN MY FANTASY.

      • Irish Sweetness

        19 reds in a row is like Graham’s number. Not going to happen. And it can never be 50/50 because there are three possible colors.

    • Bender McLugh

      your lips to Ginny’s ears

    • Irish Sweetness

      This is why Fournette is an easy pick. You get Herschel Walker for 8 years.

  • AD thinks Lattimore over Hooker?

    Maybe, but as he mentioned. Signed Cooper, Prince. Drafted Hall (who flashed at times). Porter entrenched as starter barring injury, and still holding out hope for Fuller and Callahan.

    Cooper, Prince, hall, Porter, Fuller, Callahan seems like a crowded CB room.

    Porter, Prince, Callahan (nickle) likely start, with Cooper, Fuller, Hall (4rth rounder) fighting for leftovers.

    We also drafted S Bush (4rth) and FS Carson (6th), but neither of them really impressed.

    Though I do keep getting this nagging feeling that they’re going to give Amos another shot paired up with Demps.

    • willbest

      Which is why I think Thomas or Barnett. I guess Allen too.

      • Yeah. Plus it’s a deep CB/S class, and we pick high in the 2nd.

        It’s almost guaranteed a first rd CB or S will fall to us in the 2nd, and Pace knows this.

    • Bender McLugh

      crap, just realized this is an AD piece.

      • willbest

        Were you cussing Jeff out on twitter?

        Speaking of Jeff, what are the odds he is waiting until 12:00:01 for his drink instead of say after work tomorrow.

        • Bender McLugh

          hahah that’s some good bettin’ odds there

      • Anything that’s thorough without cus words = AD
        Anything that has equations and decimals = Data

        • Bender McLugh

          yeah just missed it, was too excited seeing the possible draftees.

    • Bender McLugh

      is Porter really still in the picture? yeeash

      • willbest

        1) He is a warrior out there on 1 leg when Hall was doing lord knows what.
        2) He really is quite good as long as he isn’t having to solo cover a #1 WR or a speedster.

        Now he isn’t part of the long term plans for the franchise, but if you want to maximize your wins in 2017 he should definitely be on the roster.

        • Ditto.

          • Bender McLugh

            ugh. I can still be unhappy about it lol

          • What I’m gonna be more unhappy about is if they do roll with Amos, Bush, Carson and yet another mid-rd S.

            This is such a rich S class, and Amos was getting burnt by season’s end.

          • Bender McLugh

            Better players around Amos though…. I seem to remember him playing much better when Fuller was ballin

          • MB30SD

            yes

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not Porter, but Amos ?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Isn’t (2) kind of what a corner’s job is all about?

          • willbest

            Its the jobs of a #1 CB. He performs as a CB2, and we are paying him about half that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think we should be paying him anything. He can’t do the job.

          • willbest

            Porter was a better CB last year than all our QB’s were at QB.

      • Porter actually graded out well last season, even on 1 leg.

        But, he’s not getting any younger. Still for THIS year, he’s def starting (for however long he lasts).

        Pace prolly sees Prince as his replacement.

        Fuller and Callahan are the wildcards.

        • DaCoaches Mustache

          Porter failed the eye test last year. Looked old and lost

          • BerwynBomber

            Not until midway thru, which is when he was injured.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nah. He was getting toasted in Pre-season.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If by graded out you mean “Can’t fucking run” .. .then yes.

    • MB30SD

      They should. Give him a shot with 3 real other dudes out there.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It amazes me how a once-in-a-blue-moon freak RB just gets blanked ….

  • MB30SD

    Poe to the falcons

    • willbest

      For $8 million + 2 more with incentives. Good value for Atlanta.

      • It’s a slow market for NTs as well.

        The hangup with Hankins is he wants $10M +, while Poe and Logans only got $8M for 1 yr.

        Maybe some NT FA busts have slowed GMs roll.

        • willbest

          Interior D-linemen don’t last seems to be the order of the day.

          • Yup. That’s why I think we need two. Goldman and…

            But maybe Pace just gets a young NT for cheap off the UFDA pile.

            Didn’t we have a fast bastard? I remember him being good for 1 or 2 plays before needing oxygen and mcRibs

          • MB30SD

            mmmmmmmm, McRiiiiiiiibs!

          • Haven’t had a coke in a week!

            (except with my Jack at the wedding)

            #CokeStrong

          • MB30SD

            Good for you.

            Are you slowly turning not skinny-fat?

            Any discernible differences in physiology or biology

          • It’s hard to say cuz I got ebolia for this week, but even so I feel less sluggish, which is what I wanted

            Once I get over this shit, starting the outdoors cardio.

          • MB30SD

            oooooohhhh… look at you!!

            I’m crushing it right now. I need to cut out more sugar, but I’m slowly locking it all down again.

  • willbest

    Gonna try this lamb stew this year since I am not a fan of corn beef (or cabbage).

    • MB30SD

      one of my favorites.

  • MB30SD

    GP where aaaareee yooouuuuu: http://uncrate.com/article/techrules-ren-supercar/

    Sniff

    • Scharfinator

      He needs time…

  • MB30SD

    AD… speed issues?!? Fucking SPEED issues?!?!?!

    @ 6′ and 215, dude ran a 4.56 at the combine (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jamal-adams?id=2557979)

    let me fucking assure you that there are ZERO speed issues with a strong safety that big running that fast. Holy shit.

    …and ball skills? 2:12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktuijMDwsh8

    (aside: my god that kid is a tackling machine. Errathing Hooker isn’t, he 100% is)

    • MB30SD

      also, lattimore has CHRONIC hamstring issues. no thanks. that shit doesn’t just go away.

    • SC Dave

      That film is the fucking shit. When you have a fucking highlight reel that does not have six angles of the same four plays, it means something. I *want that shit*.

      So which parts of Ted Phillips eternal soul have to be sold to Satan to get Adams AND this guy…?


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYvXrK3Ewps

      The second one is, in many ways, more impressive than the first.

      Born in fucking CHICAGO! I want this guy more than anyone since Luke.

      • MB30SD

        wow

      • Captain Obvious

        Thanks for posting that second link. He looks like a really good kid. As much as the secondary needs help, he would be awesome as a Bear.

        What would it take to get two guys in the top half of the 1st round? Would we be able to trade all of our late-round picks to get Thomas and Adams and call it a draft?

      • Scharfinator

        I would say whatever parts are left of his soul.

        Wouldn’t be bad to get another solid character guy who is also a beast on the field. Dare I say I miss Lovie? We’ve been pretty bad since.

      • David Shaw is a helluva coach too, so you know Thomas has been trained in the ways of the jedi

        Wow, born in Chicago, moved to Texas, kinda like me when I was young.

        Funny what he said about Texas. Yeah, if you’re big, you’re playing football even if you don’t want to.

        My cousins over there are 6-5 240 and 6’6 280ish and both had to play football lest they disgraced the Cowboys.

  • Well, at least I now know why we didn’t get Jefferson Airplane:

    New Ravens S Tony Jefferson confirms he turned down more money from the Browns.

    “I don’t play football for money,” Jefferson said on NFL Network. It’s doubtful the difference was all that significant, but a reminder of the fact the Browns[and Bears] are going to get upcharged by free
    agents for as long as they’re tanking.” – Roto

    • MB30SD

      sigh. I can’t tell you how much this fucking sucks to get confirmed by an actual player.

      AND we were just put in the same fucking bucket… NAH… compared 1:1 with… the Browns.

      If fucking massive alarm bells aren’t ringing in Halas hall and George and ted’s office right now, we might as well be the fucking browns for reals.

      SMMFHVETGMAH

      • “SMMFHVETGMAH” – MB Hebrew

        • MB30SD

          shaking my mother fucking head vigorously enough to give myself a headache

          • SC Dave

            SMMFHVETGMAHASMBLOMFE

            …. And Shake My Brain Loose Out My Fucking Ear

          • MB30SD

            hahaha, I just reread the post and I thought it said the bears. my bad. phew!

  • Cormonster
    • MB30SD

      hahahaha, I remember watching that “live” as a kid.

      I’m fucking old.

      • Cormonster

        Every now and then I go down a youtube wormhole and spend an evening watching old wrestling matches. Still cracks me up every time.

        • MB30SD

          hahahahaha, you need a girlfriend corm

        • Who was your fav? Hulkster? Rick Flare? Bam Bam Bigalo?

          • SC Dave

            Abdula the Butcher?

          • MB30SD

            snookah

          • SC Dave

            Supa Fly

          • Cormonster

            That’s a tough call. I always liked the bad guys the most. When I was younger Baron Von Rasche and Iron Sheik were probably my favorite. Bobby the Brain and anyone he was managing were always favorites. In the late 80’s it was Macho Man.

          • If you have Netflix, you’d probably enjoy the wrestling episode of It’s Always Sunny in Philly.

            The American Eagles

            vs the Terrorist (who blew sand in your face)

          • Cormonster

            Sunny is one of my favorite comedies ever! I’ve seen most episodes multiple times. Funny, I even got my parents into it and they are in their late 60’s. They both love it.

            One of the things that fascinates me is watching interviews with wrestlers 10-20 years after retirement. It’s such a strange dichotomy of what’s reality and what’s fiction because it’s so intertwined. The ongoing fake soap operas get mixed in with real friendships or rivalries and real competitiveness mixed in with a match that already has a predetermined outcome for something like a championship belt. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if they are still playing along and acting during the interviews. Very interesting stuff.

          • I thought the Iron Sheik was a cool bad guy.

            I also thought Razor Ramon was awesome.

            The chicas, maing, the chicas!

          • Sahr Gborie

            Ultimate Warrior. Ravishing Rick Rude. Mr. Perfect

          • Ultimate Warrior followed VERY closely by Undertaker.

            The Hart Foundation and Road Warriors fav tag team.

            Fav bad guy. Andre the Giant. Razor Ramon. Ric Flair. Whooo!

        • willbest

          How are they still in business? What is their demographic these days?

          • Sahr Gborie

            Same as it’s ways been…Kids and kids who never grow up (me)

        • Sahr Gborie

          You are not the only one…Brings back memories man

      • Same here

        RIP Ultimate Warrior

        • Sahr Gborie

          Word. RIP to the Ultimate Warrior. We miss you

      • SC Dave

        Um, no. If you were *old*, it would be about Dick the Bruiser and his cousin The Crusher, Black Jack Lanza, Gorgeous George, Verne Gagne, etc.

        The real old school.

        • MB30SD

          I remember gorgeous george… that’s about it of that group you listed.

          and was there a yellow jack lanza?

          • SC Dave

            Probably because the shit was all regional then. That was midwest stuff… them and Moose Cholak (sp?) and some others that may (regrettably) come back to me over the next few minutes/hours.

          • SC Dave

            Shit, back them, Bobby Heenan was a fucking wrestler.

            Edit: And Ernie the Cat Ladd.
            The Iron Sheik
            Baron Von Rasche

            Fuck. It’s humiliating I know all this

            Edit: “Rowdy” Roddy Peiper
            The British Bulldog
            The Undertaker …

            … oh God save me!!

          • MB30SD

            I remember heenan

          • Scharfinator

            Those last 3 are still kicking, AFAIK. Definitely Rowdy and the Undertaker.

          • Rowdy is dead, bro.

            Pour a 40 for Rowdy.

            I like the cameo he did in It’s Always Sunny

          • Scharfinator

            WHAAAAAT

          • MB30SD

            you fucking kidding me!

          • Well of course, they live.

            To Irish and Trac it’s a documentary !

          • MB30SD

            hahaha

    • CanadaBear

      Macho Man barely made sense at the best of times (loved that character!) and it infected the Hulkster. Good stuff!

    • Bhwhaha to the ionosphere! Ohhhyeaaah

    • SC Dave

      From where the fuck did you exhume that shit?

      • Cormonster

        Someone posted it on Facebook yesterday.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Exactly

  • BearDown100393

    In this league, you gotta get the top pick first. Then when you get the top pick, you get the quarterback. Then when you get the quarterback, then you get the Super Bowl. – Ryan Pace to Ernie Accorsi {Job Interview, 2015}

    • Scharfinator

      If this was true, my faith would be renewed.

      • BearDown100393

        Chico, it is true.

  • So Waffle’s post made me remember how my cousin and I (the one who just got married) always planned hypothetical bank heists when we were younger.

    One time his dad (the one that worked for Star Wars) walks into the kitchen and catches us plotting

    “You guys better not let me know about it.”

    Cuz “Dad, if we robbed a bank, you would turn us in?”

    Uncle, “Phew. You kidding me? In a second. I would then use the reward $ to remodel your room.”

    So, my question is, if you robbed a bank (no murders), would your dad turn you into the cops?

    • MB30SD

      fuck no.

      Blood is like the fucking word of god in my family.

      See butch, that’s what a good old-country jewish family is about… my schiksa ex’s family would turn on each other like starving rats in a cage baby. hahahaha ; )

      Good friends help you move; family helps you move… bodies.

      • SC Dave

        lol… yeah

      • willbest

        moving the body is a rookie mistake.

    • SC Dave

      Let me change the question. As a dad, would I turn my son or daughter in for a successful, non-violent bank robbery?

      Um… unlikely. *Very* unlikely.

      • MB30SD

        hold back that emotion dave, you sound craaazy. hahaha

    • willbest

      My dad died when I was still a sophomore in high school, so I don’t really know if he would have or not. He wasn’t the most pro-authority person but he certainly had a morality to him. I doubt I would turn my son in. Country has changed. Our leaders don’t even bother to hide that they are fleecing us anymore. Just the citizens or the tax payers or run it up on the children’s credit cards. If you can’t put a face to the group of people you are screwing over, its like nobody got hurt.

      Incidentally, my son asked me about bank robbers once, and I told him don’t do that. White collar crime is where the real money is at.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        first sorry about your dad dying when you were so young, that would suck.

        2nd how do you take a simple hypothetical question and turn it into a rant about leadership and screwing people over? SMH. Sometimes the simple answer is best.

        • MB30SD

          my daughter took a candy from those bins at the market yesterday. I decided it was a good opty to teach her a lesson about stealing (she’s already heard it many times from me… MB’s don’t steal, that’s not what our family does… ever… etc… you work hard to earn what you need, you don’t take it like a theif)

          I took her hand and said she was going to tell the manager what she’d just done. She was in tears as we approached him. I got down on my knees at her level so I could look in her eyes, and I told her that I would let her off this once if she promised me she’d never steal anything ever again.

          I hope that vision sticks with her when her dipshit teen friends suggest they steal stuff from a 7-11.

          • My fam would’ve got out the belt in public.

            And of the two, I don’t know which was worse. The ass whooping or the public humiliation lol

            But the times…they are a-changing (unless you’re one of APs kids)

          • MB30SD

            yes. I never ever every hit my kids. Can’t and won’t do it. ever. (yes, I got hit… but if you’re smart, you don’t need it)

            Besides, if you do that today you’re going straight to jail. like straight.

            That said, pretty sure that got the message across.

          • Did your parents bring out the belt for you?

            Just curious if it’s a fam by fam “tradition”, or the times

            My sis and bro-in law have an odd way. They take my nephews to a private room when they get spanked. Guess they’re trying to spare them the “humiliation” part or if it’s some weird new-age or Evangelical method, or what.

            If I had a boy, I think I would spank.

            But daughter, nah, I don’t think I could do it. That’s mom time.

          • MB30SD

            yep. My dad used an elephant skin belt, my mom used a wooden spoon.

            yeah, that’s… strange. but whatever works.

            You know, I didn’t know what I’d do. An my ex sometimes spanks bootys with her hand over cloths, but nothing serious.

            Me, I just don’t need it. I’ve yelled at my kids in anger twice… their eyes got huge, they both started to cry, and all bad behavior stopped for the night.

            That and I just can’t picture hitting them in anger. I love them too much and for the most part they are amazing kids. very well behaved and polite.

            But I will never hit them.

          • I find that it’s harder for women to control kids than men. My nephews are big ass 8 and 5 yr olds who love superhero shit, which means, lots of physical mayhem.

            My sis has NEVER been patient, so she gets fed up pretty fast, but they don’t listen to her as much as dad. Dad shoots a stern look, and they get quiet really quick.

            Happened with us kids growing up too.

            And even as an adult when I worked with female teachers/professors, they straight up told me that they have to be more martial then they’d like, which I found to be true.

            I knew a married pair of professors and the woman had to be more regimented while the hubby would be way more laid back to the students.

            One of those things I suppose.

          • MB30SD

            yep. my kids do shit with my ex that they’d never even fucking think about with me.

            Once a few years ago we were all together at a drop off or something, and my son gets upset and threw himself on the floor and cried. I looked at her like he was an alien. He’d never done that once with me in the entire time he was a live.

            I was like, wtf is this??!?? funny how it works out

          • willbest

            When the quasi-scientists try to suss patterns between parents of high achieving children and regular children one of the common patterns they find is parents of high achievers is they have high expectations for their children.

          • evantonio

            MB’s don’t steal? Son, Mike Brown stole the ball from the opposing team a good number of times.

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha, well, I couldn’t use my real last name now.

          • evantonio

            why not? i had all of you thinking i had a mustache for the past 3 years. no one would know what’s real and what’s not.

        • willbest

          16 years better than some people got. Anyway the crux of the question is which is stronger Blood or the Rule of Law.

          I was explaining why the rule of law is no longer an option. We live in a low trust environment. Snitches get stitches. If you thought all your neighbors would turn in their own son, you would be far more likely to do it yourself. But when you live in an environment where there are so many rules that following them all is impossible, and that rules are enforced at the discretion of the prosecutor, and that the prosecutor chooses to favor certain people over others, all that trust goes away.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            sounds like you need to get out of the law business. If all you deal with is the dregs of society or immoral people of course you are going to think this way. You are way too jaded. There a lot more honest law abiding people out there than not.

          • evantonio

            he’s just upset that they’re taking money away from seniors, science, sesame street, and nyc terrorism units so they can build a wall that they’re no longer pretending mexico will pay for.

          • willbest

            Life is about compromises.

          • evantonio

            yes. but some don’t make sense.

          • willbest

            I guess that is a matter of perspective. To me it doesn’t make sense that there are 50 new pronouns

          • evantonio

            don’t disagree there. but that has nothing to do with taking food out of americans’ mouths to throw more money into the world’s most expensive military.

          • willbest

            Does it take food out of the mouths of Americans? WIC and the other food stamp programs are as much corporate welfare as they are about feeding people. I don’t really think there is a sane way to fix it at this point. It probably ought to be blown up and designed from scratch.

            You have a point about the military, but the problem is nobody seems to want to admit that having 180 military installations in 90 odd countries is really an Empire. And if we wanted to give up being an Empire we could cut our military spending by $300 billion and still be confident nobody would fuck with us in our hemisphere.

            But then in doing so there is a legitimate question how the world would respond to the US no longer operating as a defacto global police force. Are we going to see a return to the first half of the 20th century, or can people reasonably behave on their own now? What is our obligation there? Should Americans uniquely bear those costs as the “wealthiest” country? How bad could it get? Are we doing what we are doing because it worked in the past and that is what we know how to do or have the circumstances changed?

            I lean more isolationist these days myself, and don’t personally see the purpose of expanding our military because I don’t see it benefiting Americans (certainly not directly). But if the Middle East is on its way to a Caliphate, and China is looking to annex everything within 500 miles of its borders, and Europe gets all bloodlusty again that won’t be good for Americans either.

          • evantonio

            Meals on wheels puts food in people’s mouths. School lunch puts food in kids’ mouths. Are there people who take advantage? Are there people who make money off it? Yes. Absolutely. But not anywhere near the same level of pork or profiteering as military. Does that make it right? No. But I’d rather we were feeding our own than killing others.

            I’ll admit we’re an empire. Does that help any?

          • willbest

            You are right, most people are still decent. But it snowballs, and you are witnessing it accelerate over the last 20 years. Don’t you think somebody should be turning these antifa in?

            Its not just the law. I deal with plenty of that. You see it everywhere. Affluent parents claiming their kid has a disability to get free tutoring or special rules for standardized tests. Families that pretend they aren’t so the father’s income isn’t included in welfare calculations.

    • Scharfinator

      No, but I think he would tell me where I should invest it.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      yes, he would, but he would first do everything he could to convince me to turn myself in.

  • GO U FUCKING NORTHWESTERN!!!!

    Dancing into the 2nd round

    • AlbertInTucson

      Thanks to a Vandy brain cramp.

  • I had a lab this afternoon. Finished up just before halftime of the NU game. Rushed home to watch the 2nd half on my TV with my wife instead of alone in my office on my computer.

    Remember halfway through the 2nd half that I had 2 students from said lab who were in the middle of making up a test. They had finished and left it in my mailbox.

    I’m such a great professor.

    • Ososfan

      Glad to be back on the blog and reading these gems from ya, J Wood! Haha

  • T.dyon

    I agree with everything in this article except Watson. He won’t be available in the 2nd rd, my guess is Peterman in the 3rd rd. Bears will go defense in the first 2 rd. It would help if they can trade down a few picks from 1,3 and acquire more picks. Most likely won’t get a good QB until next year in FA or Draft. The QBs in this years Draft lack the inherent skills needed to be a #1 QB.

    • Irish Sweetness

      How can you say the top 3 don’t have the skills? Nobody knows until they’re under the lights in the pros.

      • T.dyon

        Well actually you can discern a players level of ability to perform. It’s why they pay scouts, for instance let’s take Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers, Both have all the physical tools. Why does one succeed and the other struggle. It’s simple, Rodgers has an inherent tool that allows him to play up to his abilities. That inherent tool is the ability to both process pre and post snap without hesitation. It’s a tool you either have or you don’t. Cutler might process in the class room just fine but obviously not on the field. Have you seen Javy Baez play defense or his swipe tag, that is an inherent ability you can’t get that through practice. It’s when a players mental ability matches or exceeds his physical ability and it’s seamless,fluid. The top 3 draft QBs have good physical tools and intangible qualities as well. In the red zone the coverage is tighter, the field is condensed and the level of difficulty increases. To score consistently a QB has to process everything really quick or he’ll be out of sync with the rest of the team. A QB has to get the ball out quick with the right read, he can’t think then throw. From my observation the QBs in this class lack the mental ability needed to be consistent in the red zone. It is difficult to judge because the level of competition in college has to be factored in. Would I select these guys with a 3rd round pick yes I would.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog If the Bears don’t take a QB with one of their first two picks, it’s going to feature quite a bit of losing without purpose.”

    The last three years featured a lot of losing w/out purpose.

    • Scharfinator

      I’m sad you’re so right.

    • It was all part of the masterplan to land Glennon.

      • Ososfan

        True master plan might be Garrap..

  • From the Rumor Mill

    “Updated March 4, 2017
    By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.

    Jonathan Allen is one of the top consensus draft prospects in this class, ranking No. 4 on our NFL Draft Big Board. In this writer’s opinion, the Alabama defensive lineman was the best player in college football last year, as he dominated his opponents on a weekly basis. While the Heisman Trophy almost never goes to a defensive player, Allen was deserving of the award as the best player in the nation. Everyone expects Allen to go high in the first round, and teams in the top five are showing interest. Sources tell WalterFootball.com that the San Francisco 49ers (No. 2 overall) and Chicago Bears (No. 3 overall) have shown serious interest in getting to know Allen, but the Cleveland Browns have not.

    Some have thought that Allen could be a dark horse to go first overall instead of Texas A&M edge rusher Myles Garret. The reason for that is this Browns regime drafted Emmanuel Ogbah and Carl Nassib last year while inheriting another young edge rusher in Nate Orchard. Cleveland also is switching to a 4-3 defense and could use an interior disruptive defensive tackle to pair with nose tackle Danny Shelton. Thus, some thought that Allen could end up going first overall.

    However, at this point, the Browns have been awfully quiet with Allen. Sources say that Allen is still in the running. Perhaps Cleveland will show more interest in the months to come to do their due diligence on Allen, but to this point, Cleveland has not been expressing interest to set up meetings.

    Conversely, the Bears and 49ers have been involved with checking on Allen while setting times to meet, according to sources. While the Browns may not be heavily interested in Allen atop the draft, it sounds unlikely that both the Bears and 49ers would pass on him”

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill#3RKx9l1b6SKhWELA.99

    • Prospects Bears have met.
      (Usually those mid-rd guys show positions that GMs are NOT targeting in the first 2 rds).

      SR – Senior Bowl meeting.
      EW – East-West Shrine meeting.
      COM – Combine meeting.
      INT – Interested.
      VINT – Very Interested.
      PRO – Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
      LOC – Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
      PRI – Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
      WOR – Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
      STM – Some Type of Meeting.
      % – indicates more than one meeting at an event.
      ^ – has met with team at more than one event.
      # – indicates meeting set up outside of the 2017 Senior Bowl or the 2017 East-West Shrine Game

      Jonathan Allen^, DT/3-4DE, Alabama (PRO, PRI)
      Austin Carr, WR, Northwestern (EW)
      Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami (COM)
      DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (COM)
      Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech (COM)
      I’Tavius Mathers, RB, Middle Tennessee (EW)
      Elijah McGuire, RB, La.-Lafayette (COM)
      Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh (COM)
      Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (COM)
      Jamaal Williams, RB, Brigham Young (SR)
      Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (COM)
      Chris Wormley, DE/DT/3-4DE, Michigan (SR)

      Read more at http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam#DI40mAWeG15blcA5.99

      • Interesting that Bears meeting so many HBs. This tells me they’re def targeting a complement HB for Howard in the 4rth and beyond.

        Wormley is a dude they may target in the 2nd if Jonathan Allen is gone by #3.

        Obviously, Peterman, Kizer, Mahomes, Trub piques curiosity.

        WR also seems like a 3rd and beyond priority.

        Only two defensive prospects brought in that we know of. No secondary. Hmmmmm

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’m surprised that people think we’re set with Howard. He’s one man. Men get injured.

          • Yeah, even b4 we let Forte go, I was all about finding mid-rd RBs. That’s why every draft season I bring a few guys I like to the blog that might be there for us beyond the 3rd.

            It’s the right approach I think. HB is a physical ass position. Be lucky to grind out 4-5 yrs from one, then you have to overpay the position.

            Better to just keep drafting them in the 4rth and such, see what sticks.

            Rinse wash repeat.

            If you look at most good teams, they often carry two-three HBs that split carries

            (Just look at how many RBs played in the SB)

          • Johnnywad

            Nobody thinks we’re set. You just don’t burn a 3rd overall on a HB in an attempt to have two ProBowlers at the position when your entire secondary blows and your pass rush is suspect. All they need is a complimentary back.

          • SC Dave

            And Langford is clearly not it.

          • Ososfan

            Exactly, would deff praise another RB pick-up. I read that had SERIOUS interest in Jamaal Williams….

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dominated his opponents ….. in college. I think he finds it harder at 6’3 in the pros.

  • Ososfan

    Ok, Solomon Thomas HAS to be our pick! His 3 cone drill time is better than our young boy Floyd and even khalil Mack’s and he’s heavier than both those guys coming out of the draft Thomas has crazy versatility what’s his position?: “football”

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