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Cam Meredith Can Make Kevin White’s Development Irrelevant

| July 5th, 2017

Ryan Pace exited the 2015 NFL Draft process with a really good wide receiver. Does it really matter if that player is an undrafted free agent or the seventh overall pick?

I’m not giving up on Kevin White – it is impossible to reach any conclusion on the first rounder – but Cam Meredith’s play last year has me wondering how much White’s health and development will actually play into the Bears plans and how much flak we should give Pace if he missed on the pick.

Meredith was the Bears leading receiver with 66 catches, 888 yards and four touchdowns, but the numbers are more impressive when you add context.

The second-year, former quarterback didn’t play even half of the team’s snaps until their Oct. 9 game against Indianapolis. From that point on, he averaged five catches for about 70 yards a game. Calculated out over a 16 game season that’s 80 catches for 1,120 yards and 6 touchdowns. Those numbers are comparable to the 2016 production of Amari Cooper, the guy with whom White was competing with to be the first receiver taken in 2015.

Now consider the quarterback carousel.

After catching 11 passes from Brian Hoyer for 113 yards against Jacksonville, Meredith got just six targets the next three weeks combined. Hoyer got hurt against the Packers. Barkley wasn’t ready to play and Cutler mostly ignored Meredith the next three weeks for more familiar targets.

Cutler started to come around during their game against New York, throwing to Cam four times — he caught all four — but, of course, Cutler was hurt again. It took Barkley and Meredith a game to get in sync, but from then on they were a consistent duo with Meredith averaging more than six catches and 87 yards over the team’s last five games.

All things considered, Meredith’s second season was damn impressive.

The general thinking seems to be that Meredith’s ceiling is as a second receiver. Why?

  • He’s every bit the athlete White is, as their SPARQ scores were less than one point apart.
  • He’s more athletic than Alshon Jeffery.
  • Every veteran the Bears have brought in this offseason points out how impressive Meredith looks.
  • Pace compares him to Marques Colston.

For two years leading up to the Bears decision on Alshon Jeffery I wrote, tweeted and shouted from rooftops that their decision on Jeffery would depend on Kevin White’s development. I was wrong by making that exclusively about White. The Bears did see a potential number one receiver on the roster.

It just may be Cameron Meredith.

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  • 505Bears

    Happy 5th of July!!

    • willbest

      I presume that is when all the looting and pillaging of the enemy flying saucers went down

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    DON’T CAAAARE! we got Braverman, we don’t need any other WRs

    • BearDown100393

      Belichick is chomping at acquiring Braverman off the scrap heap.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Bellichick can have Braverman.

        We have Tanner Gentry now. UDFA hope is the best kinda hope..even better than 7th rounder Braverman hope.

  • CanadaBear

    It’s pretty much now or never with White. Hope it’s now. Glad Meredith has been such a find.

  • willbest

    I hope Cam Meredith’s development makes Kevin White irrelevant. But his ceiling looks more like Jeffery than Julio or ODB, and that is what it would take to “atone” for getting nothing out of your #7 overall.

  • willbest

    Interesting note about their SPARQ scores. Considering Meredith was a UDFA and White was #7, it seems they aren’t particularly valuable for WR selection. At least by the actions of the 32 GM’s.

    He might be more durable than Jeffery, but he isn’t more athletic.

    Would any vet that came in say something bad about their teammate? I guess they don’t have to say anything at all and if asked about the competition they could mention any ole player and choose him, so that is something I suppose. But that doesn’t seem like very good evidence.

    I didn’t really get a Colston vibe off him, but I can take Pace’s word for it since he spent a hell of a lot more time evaluating Colston than I ever did. Its hard to evaluate Bree’s WRs they all lose a bit of a step when they end up someplace else.

    • SC Dave

      The comment about Cam being more athletic than Alshon was rather curious

      • There’s diff types of athleticism. Maybe Meredith can run faster but no doubt Alshon can jump ball it, which SPARQ can’t really measure kinda like being physical and creating ur own YAC

      • BearDown100393

        It might be an awareness athletic kind of reference….

      • Johnnywad

        It’s subjective and likely incorrect, but I did always feel like Alshon ran funny and came out of his breaks awkwardly. But there’s no way Cam covers a catch radius like Alshon can.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          They test these things and Meredith tested better pretty much across the board.

          • Johnnywad

            They tested catch radius?

          • Andrew Dannehy

            Thought you were talking about athleticism. But, in terms of catch radius, Meredith is half an inch taller and has a vertical jump 2.5 inches better. Alshon has slightly longer arms.

          • Johnnywad

            I am. I guess what I’m saying is SPARQ is A way to measure athleticism, not THE way. It’s subjective. Alshon’s ability to high point a football while double covered 40 yards down field and come up with the ball is surely a sign of athleticism. I haven’t seen Cam do that. Not saying he can’t, but until he does I’d say Alshon is the better athlete.

          • Andrew Dannehy

            I don’t know Alshon’s SPARQ score. I do know that Meredith did pretty much everything better than him except the 40, which Alshon was .01 faster than him in. You’re looking at one particular skill set and determining that is all around athleticism, when, the reality of the situation is that Alshon largely had to rely on that skill set because he had trouble separating from defenders, which Meredith showed the ability to do.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            good thing all passes to receivers are thrown 40 yards down field and High

          • Johnnywad

            K. Cam is the better althlete.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I honestly don’t care who is the better athlete. Just give me a receiver that can get open, catch the damn ball, and don’t be a drama queen. Cam showed promise, and I did not get the feeling he was a little bitch drama queen, not saying AJ was but he showed signs of it.

    • I would have to look at YAC but even then all kinds of other factors in the mix, but i don’t see Meredith as Colston either.
      Colston was more a sure handed possesion WR kinda like Bennett was for the Bears.
      Meredith IMO has more upside, but obviously more down side too esp w/out Brees chucking it to him in a pass heavy O.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Cam looks quicker, shiftier than AJ was. Like an all-round receiver. Just a good receiver.

      • Andrew Dannehy

        Cam averaged 4.4 YAC last year, Alshon was at 4.1.

        • CanadaBear

          Cam also fumbled 3 times and lost 2 of them.

          • Andrew Dannehy

            Alshon fumbled 3 times his second year too.

          • CanadaBear

            With 20+ more receptions and 500+ more yds.

          • Andrew Dannehy

            With better QB play and caught a significantly lower % of his targets.

          • CanadaBear

            Always goes back to some other issue. Let me know when he gets 1000 yds in one season, not two.

    • BerwynBomber

      “Its hard to evaluate Bree’s WRs they all lose a bit of a step when they end up someplace else.”

      Thought the same. Call it the Great QB Syndrome when evaluating WRs who have played with the former. Even Jimmy Graham didn’t seem all that once he left NO, though, in fairness, he suffered a killer injury and SEA isn’t as pass heavy.

      Btw, kinda makes me re-think Jerry Rice, if only for a moment. Won’t argue his GOAT status but didn’t hurt that he played the majority of his career with Montana and Young.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Rice still put up numbers late in his career with the likes of Gannon, Garcia, and even Rick Mirer for a handful of games.

        • BerwynBomber

          I wouldn’t argue against his excellence but didn’t hurt to have those two slinging the ball to him (and Gannon and Garcia were, at the very least, Cutty-level).

          Also worth noting that Montana won his first SB w/out Rice. IIRC, that team had a pair of #2s — Clark and Solomon — but no #1..

      • Johnnywad

        Realistically, you’d need a Rice like path to be the GOAT. Unquestionable talent mixed with excellent QB play over a career, durability, and quality coaching.

        We have likely seen a small handful of receivers that are better players than Rice, but didn’t have the same luck with the other ingredients. Jones and Johnson come to mind.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed. Goes back (somewhat) to my personal theory that greatness will reveal itself regardless of circumstance but is helped tremendously if applied under a coach like Belichick, Walsh or Lombardi. Or surrounded by fellow Pro Bowl type talent.

          Which kinda makes what Walter did all the more impressive.

      • CanadaBear

        The YAC really depends if the QB hits the guy in stride. Cutler was terrible at that.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Alshon ran the 40 a hundreth of a second faster, but Meredith was equal or better in every other athletic test.

      • CanadaBear

        Except for the part where Alshon can high point the ball better than almost any WR in the league.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          then he should have joined the Browns so Oz does not have to throw on a downward trajectory so often.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          That isn’t really an athletic test. Sure, Alshon is good at coming down with jump balls, but Cam can get open in a short area and make guys miss in the open field. He also jumps better than Alshon, is taller and just as fast.

          • CanadaBear

            Potential vs production. How many guys win the underwear olympics and aren’t all that? Lots. Let’s wait to see if he can have a 1000 yd season before we all go nuts.

          • Andrew Dannehy

            He was more productive than Alshon last year sooo….

          • CanadaBear

            By all means he was more productive than a guy with a 4 game suspension. You’ve convinced me. I can’t wait. Or not.

      • willbest

        Okay, but we have plenty of live game footage on both of them, so why compare 40 times, vertical jump, cone drills or anything else.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          Game film shows us Cam is a quicker, more explosive athlete too.

          • willbest

            So you are telling me if you had a choice between Cam and Alshon to be your #1 right now (assuming money isn’t a consideration) you are choosing Cam?

          • CanadaBear

            Crickets.

    • SPARQ doesn’t measure the most important quality in a WR.

      CATCHING.

      That’s why a guy like Boldin n be a #1 while underwear Olympic stars like Stephen Hill was out.

      Equally as important is route running.

  • SC Dave

    We’ll see how Meredith looks now that the league knows who he is. No more under-the-radar for that young man.

    • Yeah, but it’s not like the NFL is going to double-team him or even roll coverage his way until he has Julio type games.
      At least for the first few games teams will put #8 in the box to stop Howard first and make Glennon w ragtag receivers beat them.
      Also, no real shutdown CB in our div.

      • SC Dave

        Hopefully Loggains has a few aces up his sleeves. Like some slot and TE work that is effective early (e.g. in the Falcons game opening week) and will give teams pause about going all in to stop Howard.

        • Yeah. I’m still lukewarm on Loggains but that’s a step up from how i had doubts about him last offseason.
          We talk about the NFL figuring out players, they really figure out coaches and schemes rather quickly. As we all know w Trestman.
          That being said i became more impressed w Birdcage towards the end of last season as he showed more flexibility and creativity even w Barkley time
          Let’s hope Birdcage keeps it going

          • willbest

            I wonder how much of that was the freedom of having 17 people on IR

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Loggains major influencers as far as coaching style goes are Sean Peyton (think Loggains worked with him when he was in Dallas), Mike Heimerdinger ( who had worked with Mike Shanahan in Denver) and then Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland and Gase here in 2015. So mostly WCO influence and some of the pass happy stuff comes from Sean Peyton.

            I think he still was finding his feet as OC last year. He had 21 games as OC with Titans before becoming Bears OC. With another 16 game experience last year, I think he will get much better this year. Hope he picked up from working closely with Kyle Shanahan and Adam Gase. Those two are as good young offensive minds in the game as any.

          • King of DBB

            Circus Clown does, at times, feel like Jeff posting anon to his own blog. Just a thought.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            not sure about that, Clown has said some really stupid things.

          • willbest

            So does Jeff, but that is usually confined to how great golf is.

          • BerwynBomber

            Except Jeff loves Cutler.

            Btw, at one time I wondered if Clown was one of Jeff’s Bears reporter friends. But all those guys loved Cutty too. Seems a pre-requisite to be a professional friend of Blogfather’s.

          • CanadaBear

            What I liked about Nathan Lane last year was his adaptability to the players available. He truly tried to put them in the best possible situations to take advantage of their talents (whatever that was). That made me think he might get the nod if Foxy got launched mid-season. Hope that doesn’t happen.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not a fan of Xavier Rhodes?

        • Not really. But in his defense not sure if true lockdown CBs exist anymore. I doubt Xavier is going to shadow Meredith and even if he does he’s no Deon

    • BearDown100393

      But plenty of pine tar.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’d be surprised if he gets a double-team with the weapons we have now.

      • willbest

        We don’t have a top 30 WR, we don’t have a top 10 TE, and we don’t have a top 15 pass catching RB, what weapons do which you speak?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          BRAVERMAN!!!

          • Johnnywad

            BLOWS!!!!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I used to like you…lol

        • Irish Sweetness

          GTFO with top 30 receivers. Cam is top 30 any day of the week with 16 games. Kendall Wright in the slot. Markus Wheaton deep. Tarik Cohen is a human joystick apparently. Jordan Howard has the highest YPC AVG in the NFL.

          Point being, Cam is not getting doubled. He will be open and he will be our #1 in receptions.

          • CanadaBear

            What are you talking about? Cam is a top 30 WR with these stats? He’s barely over 1,000 yds for two seasons with 3 fumbles (lost 2 of them). I like his potential but he has a long way to go.

          • willbest

            If Wheaton was the threat you think he is, he would still be on the steelers or some other competitor. We didn’t pay a kings ransom for him.

            Wright’s last 2 seasons worth of stats is 21 games, 65 catches, 824 yards and 6 TDs. I know he is in a Bears uniform now, and you want to jump back to 4 years ago when he had 94 catches and ~1100 yards, but that isn’t the Wright we got. We got the Wright that hasn’t played 16 games in the last 3 years. And he is being paid like he is that broken down guy on a 1-year 2 million deal.

            I love the human interest in Cohen. He is going to die in week 3 when an LB that has studied his previous 2 weeks of films gets his hands on him.

            Jordan Howard is an outstanding runner. But unless he learned to catch in the off season he isn’t going to be an option when its 3rd and 6.

          • That 1 good yr by Wright was under Birdcage tho

  • SC Dave
  • BearDown100393

    This might serve as a framework for a future “Connor Shaw Can Make Mitch Trubisky’s Development Irrelevant”. The lone reason White is still on the roster is his status as a Pacebot top pick.

    • I’m also doubtful ANY team can really take credit for a late rounder (after 6th) panning out. It’s kinda like closing time at a bar. Look around. See who’s half way bonable. Take a shot. Hope she doesn’t look like Rosie Odonell in the morn

      • King of DBB

        “”Scuse me. The name is Butch and I gotza pee from drinking all these Watermelon Mojitos.”

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Last season’s WR unit was bad – it was literally a bunch of no names. Even with a rag tag unit this year, I think the unit has improved overall. At least this year Bears have receivers who have had success in the past.

    It will be interesting to see how Meredith and Howard respond this season after they had success last year. The pressure of expectations will be there on both of them.

    I think Howard hype has gotten out of hand a bit. Hope it doesn’t go into young man’s head.

    Pass game success will be heavily dependent on run game. Play action is how receivers and Glennon will have most of the completions.

    • BearDown100393

      “Rag Tag” The story of the 2017 WRs for the Chicago Bears. New A Football Life, here on the NFL Network.

    • CanadaBear

      Don’t think Howard will get a big head. From pics he looks leaner and stronger. Everything I’ve read the young man has his feet firmly planted on the ground. Gotta love that!

  • King of DBB

    Look at this kid. He looks like he should be delivering pizzas in a rusted ’74 Ford pickup, rust red with farming is life bumper sticker half peeled off on it.

    http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/12965871_1755586457995935_1732225236_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIyMDQwMTYyOTkyODMzOTkzMQ%3D%3D.2

  • AlbertInTucson

    I think breaking the same leg twice in less than two years makes White irrelevant, already.

    • CanadaBear

      Hope you’re wrong, afraid you’re right.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I thought it was a fibula break and a high sprain?

  • AlbertInTucson

    (1) Your fave film ever made.

    Impossible question.

    THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD.
    Flynn, DeHavilland (Happy 101st, Olivia), Rathbone, Rains.
    Perfect story. Perfect Cast.
    Michael Curtiz, probably the most underrated director in history, took over early from William Keighly who shares credit.

    Sir Guy (Basil Rathbone) “You’ve come to Nottingham once too often!”
    Robin (Errol Flynn): “When this is over, my friend, they’ll be no need for me to come again!”

    Contenders:
    THE GODFATHER. Clemenza (Richard Castellano): “Leave the gun. Take the canoli.”

    CASABLANCA. Louie (Claude Rains): “How extravagant of you to throw women away like that.”

    THE MALTESE FALCON. Sam (Humphrey Bogart): “Mrs. Spade didn’t raise any children dippy enough to be making statements in front of a district attorney, an assistant district attorney and a stenographer.”

    SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON. Capt Brittles (The Duke): “Mr. Cohill, it is a bitter thing, indeed, to learn that an officer who has had NINE years experience in the cavalry – the officer to whom I am surrendering command of this troop in two more days – should have so little grasp of LEADERSHIP as to allow himself to be chivvied into a go at fisticuffs while ‘Taps’ still sounds over a brave man’s grave! God help this troop when I’m gone!”

    (2) Film you think is best ever made.

    Another Impossible Question.

    Off the top of my head, I’m going with

    BEN-HUR (1959).
    William Wyler directing.

    The Sea Battle and the Chariot Race still stand among the greatest scenes ever put on film.

    Heroic Heston. Hissable Stephen Boyd. Hugh Griffith stealing every scene he is in as Sheik ilderim.

    Sheik Ilderim (Griffith) to his chariot driver: “Bonehead! Give me those reins! You think you can treat my horses like ANIMALS!? To drive cows and goats is all you’re fit for! Get off, idiot! ”

    Contenders:
    CITIZEN KANE. Kane (Orson Welles) “You supply the prose poems. I’ll supply the war.”

    GONE WITH THE WIND. Rhett (Clark Gable) “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

    THE WIZARD OF OZ. Dorothy(Judy Garland): “Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore.”

    THE GODFATHER: Jack Woltz (John Marley) ” And if that goomba tries any rough stuff, you tell him I ain’t no bandleader. Yeah, I heard that story.”

    • BerwynBomber

      Interesting fave film. Seems like the Raiders of the Lost Ark of its era. A perfect action/adventure.

      Did you ever see The Sea Hawk? Another superb Errol Flynn flick. The actress who portrays Queen Elizabeth I was born for the part.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Flynn was my first favorite actor.

        Dame Flora Robson is Elizabeth I in that. She also plays her in another film, FIRE OVER ENGLAND with Sir Lawrence Olivier.

        Love Sea Hawk, Captain Blood, Dodge City, Charge of The Light Brigade. All in my DVD library.

        Used to stay up late to catch them on WGN as a kid. I thought they were OLD movies back THEN!

        • AlbertInTucson

          Good old WGN, Chicago’s very own.

          I can STILL hear their WHEN MOVIES WERE MOVIES theme.

          Hated it when they stopped clearing the local feed of WGN on satellite.

    • SC Dave

      It is pretty impossible. One of my very favorites, to be sure, is the original version of All Quiet on the Western Front.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Excellent work by, Pre- Dr. Kildare, Lew Ayers. Iconic last scene.

    • Sactowns#1

      Best movie- it’s tough but Pulp Fiction and Star Wars are definitely up there. The first was a great retelling of the classic “one last job and then I’m out” genre mixed with character study. The other was the classic heroes journey.
      Best film- Ben hur, Gone with the Wind, Star Trek, Blade Runner, 2001, were all great technical works. how does one compare these films and their achievements? It’s like comparing athletes from different eras. it’s impossible.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Among more recent films, at least more recent than the bulk of the ones I listed, I give high marks to L.A. CONFIDENTIAL, GOODFELLAS, THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.

        • Sactowns#1

          As far as film making I agree, as far as great stories I disagree. LA Confidential was far too layered to give any one story or character their just development. Goodfellas is the classic rise and fall tale without a lot of intrigue built in. Great actors and great dialogue made that movie what it is. Shawshank is probably the one exeption on your list. A pretty great character study masterfully written. Saving Private Ryan, was that a Big Red One remake with more heart?

          • AlbertInTucson

            BIG RED ONE was autobiographical from the Robert Carradine character’s (Writer, Samuel Fuller) POV..

            I loved the story in L.A. Confidential. Didn’t know who to root for until halfway into the film.

            “Rollo Tomasi.”

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Thin Red Line had a lot of heart. That’s probably the best study of war I’ve seen. Certainly the best cast.

            Fave movie has to be Star Wars Ep IV. Saw that when it came out as a 5 year old and it blew my mind for at least a decade.

            Best movie ever made? For me that would come from a list of Godfather movies. The Elephant Man and Goodfellas.

        • And they all take place at least 30 yrs ago Al! Nothing w a modern setting?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Nothing leaps to mind.

            Suggestions?

    • MichiganBearFan

      Favorite animated movies are Your Name and Spirited Away. Akira and Ghost in The Shell are up there too.

  • willbest

    So we tackled condiments yesterday, I offer up grilled corn for discussion today. The 3 main methods are in the husk, shucked, and foil wrapped.

    Personally, I always shuck my corn. It can taste fine the other ways, but I feel those ways are a waste of grill real estate since they don’t impart any of the flavor. You might as well just bake them in the oven.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I put ketchup on my corn.

      • BerwynBomber

        And you like it well-done with a side of steak sauce.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And extra well done ….

    • SC Dave

      If excreta is any indicator, grill space is not the only real estate wasted by corn.

      • Scharfinator

        Hah!

    • AlbertInTucson

      Wrap it up for me, please.

    • Sactowns#1

      Shuck that puppy and wrap it in foil with some butter and Mrs Dash. (Seriously, it’s like the only thing Ms Dash is good for.) one thing I will NEVER do, put mayo on my corn. I love corn, and I love parmesan. Hell I love parmesan corn. So why the hell did they have to go and mess it up by adding mayo?!?!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Agree. Hold the mayo.

        The cobbets in Cracker Barrel’s Campfire Meals are excellent.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Boiled for me. Served on a plate of melted butter and salt. Skewered each side.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “How ’bout them Cowboys!”

    Starting linebacker, Damien Wilson, arrested on aggravated assault charges.

    How ’bout that felony!

    http://www.easttexasmatters.com/news/local-news/cowboys-linebacker-arrested-on-aggravated-assault-charges/758370278?src=rss

  • BuddhaJoe

    I haven’t given up on White like a lot of folks but c’mon. Even if Meredith turns out to be that good, it won’t erase the fact that Pace blew the #7 overall on a guy who’s managed to play 4 games, and didn’t look all that great in those. Never mind doing that when the D just finished a two year run as possibly the worst in franchise history. Should’ve kept Marshall and used that pick on D.

    • Johnnywad

      I feel a bit differently. I don’t hold the injuries against Pace. The kid had a very clean history on that front. He might have been/still be an excellent receiver. (I’m doubtful) but the injuries are just bad luck for all involved.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s hard to say Kevin is a bust when he hasn’t had a full season under his belt.
        This season will tell us. I hope he works it out. I think he might.

        • willbest

          By that logic he won’t be a bust if he breaks his leg again after 6 games.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He would be extremely unfortunate in that case.

          • SC Dave

            Or just not made to take the rigors of the NFL. Most of us are not, after all.

          • Not even that. Not made for the combine rigors

          • evantonio

            6 games. 94 receptions. 1598 yards. 13 TDs.

            i’ll take it.

          • Corporal Clott

            Soitenly!

      • Then we can’t blame Angelo for his 1st rd inj busters.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          there is a difference. White did not have injury history, Angelo drafted a couple that had history.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      2015 draft being Pace’s first draft with Bears, you have to let it go. He did not have his scouts and people in place. He was a 37 year old first-time GM barely 3 months into his job and running the draft. He was not a 20-30 year scouting veteran. So Bears and Pace were at significant disadvantage.

      Regardless, Kevin White is a bust and was a bad pick to begin with. He just had 1 year production at WV and combine performance was a fluke. His game tape did not show the 40 time he was able to manufacture at the combine by being a workout warrior.

      Getting rid of Marshall was the right move. The guy had worn out his welcome. I am pretty sure Amari Cooper and Leonard Williams were higher on Pace’s board. He was betting on Williams being there when Bears were on clock. May be he did not have guts as a rookie GM to go up and get Williams. May be he got cute and thought Jets are set at DL with Muhammad Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson and will not go DL. But Jets managed to do one of the few smart things they have done in the last few years and picked the best player on board. Emery had made the same mistake in 2014 with Aaron Donald. Emery could have given away #14, and 2nd and 3rd round picks to move 2 spots to get Donald. 2nd round pick Ferguson is almost out of league and 3rd round pick Will Sutton is JAG at best.

      I believe getting stuck with Kevin White in 2015 draft has had a major impact on Pace. He is no longer afraid to go up and get his guy. He moved up to get Floyd in 2016 and he absolutely did not want to leave Trub pick to chance.

      2 good years will be the best case scenario with Kevin White. Bears are not going to pick up his 5th year option even with a very good 2017 because the sample size will still be small. And he will most likely hit free agency after 4th year because they are not going to give him a contract with that injury history. The chances that White will keeping getting injuries on the same leg are high.

      • Bender McLugh

        Donald was picked #13 by the Rams, Bears had the #14 pick & took Kyle. How did Pace eff up by not drafting a guy that wasn’t there? Trade was not likely unless giving up too much. This has been hashed out, Donald would have been awesome but the Rams wanted him and took him.

        • willbest

          Pace didn’t draft Fuller. Emery did. The eff up was not trading up. Everybody wants to trade down until the player they love is taken before they get him.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Agree with all of this. Kevin is a bonus if he has his coming-out party. If he doesn’t …. we’ve got receivers ready to go. No biggie.

    Bear Down!

  • King of DBB

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NFL_Draft#Player_selections

    Wow. Beneath KW there are almost *NO* busts – anywhere – the rest of the round.

    It was nice of Pacebot to pick the lemon out of the crop.

    • HanAssholeSolo

      May Trump retweet your racist memes as well. Keep making racist gifs and he will pick it up.

      • King of DBB

        Haven’t you read the memo?

        The entire internet is just racist assholes trolling one another. That’s *ALL* it is anymore.

        That and a cable wire for Netflix to stream.

    • Corporal Clott

      When life hands you lemons, grab a Meredith?

  • Corporal Clott
    • CanadaBear

      Everybody Sing!

      • Corporal Clott

        Ever heard of Mari Boine? Wow, just wow!

        • CanadaBear

          No but I’ll check it out.

        • CanadaBear

          I watched a couple of youtube clips. Pretty cool but not my thing. Her and the band are definitely talented.

          • Corporal Clott

            She’s got a bunch of stuff so I totally get it. Not all my cup of tea but I found several where she brings it and were right up my alley.

  • Corporal Clott

    The ketchup / hot dog question? Really? I guess it’s better than politics.

    Biqueens prefer ketchup on their dogs, Packers Uni’s remind me of mustard on a turd and the Bears are gonna go Hebrew on the Lions. How do you like dem apples?

    • BuddhaJoe

      What’s wrong with ketchup on a hot dog anyway? Sure a Chicago dog or a Coney is better, but sometimes just plain old ketchup mustard is fine, and a lot easier.

      • willbest

        If you put ketchup on a hot dog, the terrorist win.

        • BuddhaJoe

          I thought we were back to the Rooskies again. Damn I can’t keep the boogeymen straight anymore.

          • King of DBB

            Waffle puts Russian caviar on his dogs but he has no time for common folk

          • BuddhaJoe

            Borscht is for the plebes, doncha know.

          • willbest

            I hate beets.

          • SC Dave

            Beets beat the shit out of wax beans, that’s for sure.

          • Corporal Clott

            I don’t eat beans. Yuk.

          • SC Dave

            Try them raw. MB would approve.

          • Corporal Clott

            Which ones?

          • Corporal Clott

            Not bad in salads but other than that, not my thing.

          • Corporal Clott

            Russian Caviar? Mmm…yum

          • willbest

            The Russians win either way Comrade.

      • Corporal Clott

        Well..I put tomato, cheese, Grey Poupon, ketchup, poppy seeds and pickles on my Hebrews. Mmm….mmm…mmm

      • SC Dave

        Beside that fact that ketchup belongs ONLY on french fries, nothing

        • Irish Sweetness

          The twins eat hot dog buns slathered in ketchup … with no dogs.

          Kids are weird. I remember kids in school showing up with sugar sandwiches.

          Aside: Late in life I did accept that placing ‘chips’ in a ham sandwich is good. Especially a ham cheese sambo.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      we should not be worried about the ketchup/hot dog question. The real question should be, is a hot dog considered a sandwich?

      • BuddhaJoe

        Of course not, you monster!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Excellent. Meat between two pieces of bread. It’s a sandwich. It’s a hotdog sandwich.

  • Corporal Clott

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/16823583/why-nfl-players-never-make-nba-mlb-money-andrew-luck-mike-conley

    Interesting read from a while back.

    And there you have it, the NFL players have screwed themselves at the bargaining table and their pay will never match the NBA or Baseball. Bo should have stuck to baseball.

    • SC Dave

      A reasonably cogent explanation.

  • Corporal Clott

    Anyone else see Jeff’s pic of Jimmy Mac on the 4th? Looking very rednecky. Hee hee

    • Irish Sweetness

      It’s on my wall now, blown up. I gaze at it like Judy Garland pining at a Clark Gable poster.

      Then I click my ruby heels “There’s no place like the Mid-Eighties … there’s no place like the Mid-Eighties …”

      • Corporal Clott

        There’s no place like 1985…..sigh

    • Irish Sweetness

      New Jersey’s own ….

    • Bender McLugh

      neck warmer hair-do, a must for the windy city dontchyaknow

      • CanadaBear

        Business up front, party in the back!

  • Irish Sweetness

    Friday’s a light day, exams are handed in, so I was watching some Neil deGrasse-Tyson. A lifetime mystery was answered.

    Ever wonder how the field goal hits the upright, but then goes between the uprights ….?

    The Coriolis effect, according to the good Doctor, is the reason. The rotation of the Earth.

    As you were …..

    • Scharfinator

      What? It’s not simple trig of reflected angles? Weird.

      • SC Dave

        The primary contributing factor is the angle. Ball spin (which would affect the momentum vector at the instant of impact and hence that angle), elasticity of the ball and the upright are also likely far more important than the Coriolis effect.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I forgot to add he worked it out on paper whilst watching a Bengals game where it happened.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Woohoo! higher state taxes!!!

    • CanadaBear

      I’m sure they will make it worth your while!

      • willbest

        Its to pay for pensions they promised to people that retired 20 years ago that they didn’t bother to collect from the taxpayers consuming those services.

        If it was done by anyone but the government, the pensioners would be screwed and the organizers would be in jail.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m originally from Iowa. I know.

        • Sactowns#1

          Or they thought they would get better returns but got hosed in the housing ponzi scheme of 2008. If it was done by anyone other than the bankers the pensions would be solvent and the bankers would be in jail.

          • willbest

            Sac, the state has been deliberately not paying its share of the pension obligation in order to fill present budget holes for decades. So the money was never put in to earn the unreasonable 8.5% annual that they calculated to begin with.

            And you speak as if the pensions are managed by rubes. The state pays a retarded amount of money to the pension fund managers. They get some of the brightest there is.

        • AlbertInTucson

          New Jersey, Connecticut and California next?

          • willbest

            IL has a provision in its constitution that prohibits any reduction in pension benefits. I don’t know if those other states do, and I won’t presume to talk about their issues without knowing how they got themselves into their situations.

            I do know, the supremacy clause means the FedGov gets to set bankruptcy laws, which means the IL constitution doesn’t mean anything if the state goes bankrupt. But then I don’t think the states are allowed to go bankrupt. Cities, yes, but not states.

            IL will at least keep its roads going. We passed a constitutional amendment last year that prevents the state from diverting road taxes to other endeavors.

          • 57 state corpse-man

            California’s pension debt exceeds 1 trillion $$$. Probably a pretty good chance of that happening.

        • BerwynBomber

          Debtors get thrown in jail?

          • willbest

            No people running the ponzi schemes get thrown in jail.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair point.

          • Irish Sweetness

            In goes Janet Yellen, current sucker of Satan’s teat.

          • Corporal Clott

            I don’t know, Wesley Snipes might disagree with you.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        At the other end of the spectrum, Freedumb loving Teabaggers in Kansas just overrode Governor Bareback’s tax cuts for rich assholes because the state does not have money for even basic shit. Think about it..Teabaggers running to big gubmint crying “we don’t want to give tax cuts to rich assholes anymore”.

        In 2015, Grover Norquist, who has successfully defined unconditional opposition to taxes as the defining tenet of party orthodoxy, waxed enthusiastic about one state in particular that was leading the way for the nation. “Kansas is the future,” he told an interviewer. “Kansas is the model.” Kansas was the state where Sam Brownback, the former congressman who mentored a young staffer named Paul Ryan, implemented supply-side tax cuts that, Brownback promised, would usher in prosperity and fiscal stability.

        Now Brownback’s tax cuts have failed so dramatically and incontrovertibly that the state’s Republican legislature overrode Brownback’s veto to eliminate them. Incredibly, a majority of the Republicans in both chambers of the state legislature voted against the tax cuts. In a new interview with Russell Berman, Norquist insists the failure in Kansas does not tell us much at all about anything. “If you’re a Republican looking for a model,” he says, “Kansas is not the model.”

        http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/as-voodoo-economics-fails-in-kansas-trump-takes-it-national.html

        • King of DBB

          Norquist needs to drown in a bathtub. That would be full 100% irony.

          I can sum up this entire post in one meme:

          http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/411/962/027.jpg

        • willbest

          Is everybody that doesn’t agree with you inherently evil or stupid and thus worthy of your contempt?

          I am curious why you can’t have a normal conversation. You raised an interesting bit of irony, but you can’t be taken seriously because you can’t refrain from chucking insults.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Why are you so butthurt over me not being politically correct?

            Your president Orange Chimpanzee said political correctness is number one problem in this country and chucking insults is great. He said this many times and often to thunderous applause. So don’t be a snowflake and man up.

          • willbest

            I am just trying to figure out why you carry yourself as a 23 year old man-child who spends his time trolling a football blog in between world of warcraft raids, which is my current theory.

          • Johnnywad

            He’s your president as well, provided that you’re a citizen of the US.

            Now you man up and log in with Disqus so I can block you. Unless you’re Jeff. Then stop it.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
  • King of DBB

    Enjoy these humorous fake stamps with embedded Amelia Earhart conspiracies baked right in!

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/wk59zdvtzkbxs4rgxd4w.jpg

    I would like to see a line of Irish Sweetness conspiracy stamps. We could have a federal reserve one, a Chinese moonbase one, a UFOs at Area 51 one. Man, I wish I had time + photoshop skillz.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The city-in-glass ‘photographed’ by the Jade Rabbit was beautiful. A stamp from the POV of just over the shooter’s shoulder on the grassy noll would be a good one.

      • Johnnywad

        Hahaha. I’ve been waiting for your reply here. You did not disappoint Irish.

  • King of DBB

    Hey Butch –

    Here is Affleck’s new squeeze:
    https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/ben-affleck.jpg?w=1250

    She’s a little man-chicky for my taste. A little too far on that athletic man-face thing. I bet she’s rough though. Will pin your ass to the floor. Garner was more feminine. I give her a 4 or a 5. I would think he would have gone much farther upscale.

    • willbest

      Garner is more than a 5, unless you are talking about this new girl. In which case she is a 4. And this definitely seems like Schwarzenegger syndrome.

    • Corporal Clott

      I’m escared to look GP. Does she have an Adams apple and large hands? Just sayin…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Ben is basically coming out. NTTAWWT.

    • I will NEVER get why a rich famous man would settle down for a chick like that.
      When you’re in those circles, you should be banging girls that teens hang on their walls and whack off to under the covers, not an East German Softball MVP.

      Tho I do got footage of Affleck’s girl coming out of a skanky bar. Send it to TMZ!

    • BearDown100393

      Something ain’t right with that nose on top of a….. nose?

      • Scharfinator

        Those uneven teeth too… man. CANNOT unsee.

  • King of DBB

    Pence toured NASA. They asked him to not touch the spacecraft. He touched the spacecraft.

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3309013.1499444256!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/space-nasa-pence.jpg

    Let the memes begin.

    • willbest
    • King of DBB
    • Corporal Clott

      That reminds me of the first time my highschool sweetheart touched my rocket….it was touch and go. Hee hee

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        my guess is there was an explosion on the launch pad.

        • willbest

          Ah Shannon Elizabeth from American Pie, one of the great cinematic scenes of my generation

    • BerwynBomber

      Pence doesn’t believe in science, so no need to heed its warnings.

      • SC Dave

        Somehow, even acknowledging this drivel feels like troll feeding.

        • BerwynBomber

          You REALLY need to develop some thicker skin when it comes to Trump and Pence.

          • SC Dave

            But it’s just so boring and tiresome.

          • BerwynBomber

            A one line joke is tiresome? Hah! Ok …

          • willbest

            The implication that Christians are anti-science is tiresome to Christians. Ribbing on Pence or Trump is fine. I even find it amusing from time to time.

          • BerwynBomber

            Pence’s scary Christian worldview aside, isn’t he an anti-climate change guy? That’s pretty much anti-science. IMV at least.

          • willbest

            How are you defining anti-climate change.

            1) Denying that climate changes
            2) Denying that humans are a factor
            3) Denying that humans are the primary cause
            4) Denying that calamity will ensue
            5) Denying that we can do anything about it

            others?

          • BerwynBomber

            Any or all of the above.

          • willbest

            Have you looked at the temperature data from the 500 million year geological record?

            If the Earth wants us dead, there is dick all we can do about it. Attempting to reduce the increase 0.2 degrees C over 80 years is the same as sacrificing a virgin.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m sure you as an extreme GOP partisan are MUCH more trustworthy than 90 some odd percent of the science community.

          • 99.9%

          • willbest

            Prove it.

            99.9% of the science community thinks that
            a) man is the primary cause of global warming
            b) calamity will occur if we don’t do something
            c) we can even do something

            I will wait.

          • willbest

            You could have just said, no you haven’t.

          • CanadaBear

            He also could have said something really shitty. So what?

          • willbest

            He just defended his position by calling me a heretic. It seems like one would be able to defend a scientific position with science.

            Do you have an opinion on the general consensus geological temperature data? Or do you not want to talk about the science either?

          • CanadaBear

            Not going to discuss it here. Nothing against you Wil but you just wear my ass out sometimes.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Christians have the Big Bang as perfect evidence for the Creation idea. It’s right there, but they never picked up the ball and ran with it.

          • Christians believing we rode around on dinosaurs like the flinstones is anti-science and tiresome.

            Unless we exclude “Christians” (and Jews) who interpret the bible literally.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Brilliant.

    • BearDown100393

      Well now we all know who’s hand print caused the next great space tragedy.

  • willbest

    “No. They will finish 9th yards, 10th points.” – Jeff (on our defense)

    Pace yourself Jeff. Its only the pre-season. Your liver won’t make it through the season if you keep consume the koolaid at your present rate.

    • SC Dave

      Actually, it sounds about right to me.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        hard to argue with numbers, then take into account all the injuries.

      • willbest

        You don’t think there are 10 Ds that are clearly better?

        • Corporal Clott

          I bet we have a top 30 special teams unit.

        • SC Dave

          No, actually. And if we can run, maybe better.

        • It’ll be hard to predict because none of us know how that O under Glennon will perform.
          If that D gets Clausened , it won’t hold up.
          If it becomes the time consuming juggernaut we hope , it should finish top 10 in points allowed

  • King of DBB

    Top 20 PFW Players in NFL

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/06/29/17b979f10e624a148086f1e892f7a7f0/index.xml?page=11

    20. Cardinals CB Patrick Peterson
    19. Browns OLT Joe Thomas
    18. Falcons EDGE Vic Beasley (picked right behind Kevin White)
    17. Cardinals RB David Johnson
    16. Giants DT Damon Harrison
    15. Panthers MLB Luke Kuechly
    14. Giants WR Odell Beckham Jr
    13. Chiefs CB Marcus Peters
    12. Saints QB Drew Brees
    11. Steelers RB Le’Veon Bell
    10. Raiders DE Khalil Mack
    9. Falcons QB Matt Ryan
    8. Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski
    7. Rams DL Aaron Donald (picked directly ahead of Kyle Fuller)
    6. Steelers WR Antonio Brown
    5. Broncos OLB Von Miller
    4. Falcons WR Julio Jones
    3. Texans DE J.J. Watt
    2. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers
    1. Patriots QB Tom Brady

    • willbest

      Bold statement on JJ considering he is coming back from double core surgery. Probably going to be my candidate for comeback player of the year, but I wouldn’t put him in the top 50 heading into the season

      • BerwynBomber

        With you there.

        I still wonder about Ryan too. He’s firmly a top 10 QB but is he really the third best in the entire league? Last year was a bit of an aberration for him, if I’m not mistaken.

        P.S. Gronk is another “will he ever be the same” injury concern.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Meg Ryan = Julio Jones.

        • CanadaBear

          If Ryan turned a corner last season, I agree he’s elite. If it’s an aberration, he’s below that level.

      • JJs getting into that Gronk territory.

        Can you really be great being fully healthy for only like half a season?

        • willbest

          Yeah Gronk is rated higher than he ought to be too. But Gronk is always a beast when he comes back. I am going to have to see where JJ is at. He was stupid trying to come back after what 4 weeks the first time? Hopefully he didn’t permanently F something up.

    • Stab in the heart.

      When a Chicago GM plays it safe

      https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9da46390-c1a7-4586-b787-ddf847c4fcab

      When a Chi GM goes bold (Mr Blonde plays the role of Pace and Harvey of the fan)

      • CanadaBear

        The fans are Tim Roth bleeding out.

  • BerwynBomber

    Here’s a stat I heard yesterday to give one pause.

    Of the starting QBs in today’s NFL who have won rings — Brady, Rodgers, Brees, R-Berger, Wilson, Eli and Flacco — they had, on average, the following career stats in college:

    1,100 pass attempts
    33 starts (basically three seasons)

    The guy who made it — Joel Klatt — was arguing that college QBs would be better off staying in college, especially now that a) the Sam Bradford rookie deals are a thing of the past, and b) the patience with highly drafted pro QBs is much shorter; i.e., one is expected to contribute immediately.

    Btw, Wilson started 50 games in college and accumulated 1,400 pass attempts.

    • willbest

      But Wilson fell to the 3rd round. So he was a flier despite all his starts. Did that extra year allow him to beat Flynn? It almost certainly allowed him to catch lightening in a bottle in terms of where he landed. The pay difference between a 3rd rounder and a UDFA is pretty much the same, all though the commitment of the organization to your success is different.

      Its probably true that the college experience gave them a leg up in their NFL preparation, but then every year in college is 1 less year in the NFL. Trubisky would clearly not be served by staying in college. He is $28 million richer 1 year sooner, and its likely he wouldn’t even go in the top 5 if he came out next year (supposedly there are 2 Lucks in next year’s draft or something).

      Plus, those are people with rings. Derrick Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, are all very rich men who have never won a ring.

      • Corporal Clott

        Gasp….. you mean Wilson might have even stayed in school to get a degree?

        • willbest

          Wilson spent 4 years at NC State (red shirting the first year), then decided he was going to head to Colorado Rockies spring training, but instead went to Wisconsin for this last year of football eligibility.

          ed. The NC State HC couldn’t get him an invite to the 2011 scouting combine. So it doesn’t seem like getting his degree had much to do with it.

          • Corporal Clott

            Did he receive a degree other than in football?

          • willbest

            To the google… And

            haha. He apparently received his degree from NC State and took advantage of the NCAA “graduate” free agent program.

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/870435-are-russell-wilson-and-graduate-free-agents-good-for-college-football

          • Corporal Clott

            Aha..well done Councilor!

          • Johnnywad

            What difference does it make?

          • Corporal Clott

            It’s nice to know that he really was a student / athlete. Obviously he is a pretty smart guy.

          • willbest

            He was even a graduate student athlete, though I can’t imagine trying to do 4 500 level classes while playing semi-pro football in a brand new system. I would be curious to know what classes he took that semester.

          • SC Dave

            Obviously?

        • CanadaBear

          He’s got a lot of nerve!

    • One more YR in a Mickey Mouse O won’t really improve any QBs chances i don’t think.
      Better to come out like Trub and get NFL redshirted.
      The opposite of that is Barkley.
      If he came out his JR yr, he’s arguably the #1 overall. He stayed an extra yr (in an NFL O no less) and we know the rest of the story.
      I don’t think there’s going to be a universal QB template.
      Too many factors.
      An extra yr wasn’t going to make Wilson grow 6 inches.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But the extra year told the world what it needed to re Barkley.

        • It did. And THAT’s the danger of sticking around an extra yr.

          That extra yr def didn’t help Barkley become a better QB and that was on a rather loaded NFL O w championship aspirations.

          Why do you think Trub came out this year with only 13 starts?

          He didn’t want to get Barkley-ed

          • Corporal Clott

            When your coach in college (Pete Carrol) goes against you and tells the media said player needs to stay in college. It pretty much means you suck.

            Could be wrong but I seem to remember reading somewhere Carroll hinted to the Media Barkley needed more college playing time and wasn’t ready for the pro’s. Maybe it was Sanchez, regardless, they both have struggled.

          • CanadaBear

            Of course, Pete had nothing to gain if they stayed in school another year. Oh wait, nevermind.

          • Corporal Clott

            You scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours? Lol

      • BerwynBomber

        You think Barkley would have been better had he come out a year earlier? LOL.

        My post wasn’t about potential salary. It was about production and what might predict NFL success.

        And you can dismiss the mickey mouse O’s in college all you want but it is still good experience and it doesn’t mean the defenses are mickey mouse, especially in the case of a guy like Brees who, arguably, took the field half the time against teams that were superior to his.

        • willbest

          He is saying Barkley would have made more money.

          • A LOT mo $.

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1262712-nfl-draft-a-look-at-where-matt-barkley-would-have-ranked-in-the-class-of-2012

            “Barkley is a 6’1’’, 218-pound (courtesy of CBS Sports) three-year starting quarterback for the University of Southern California Trojans.

            Barkleyhas 755 career completions on 1,175 career attempts. His 64.3 career
            completion percentage has totaled him 9,054 passing yards, 80 passing
            touchdowns and 33 career interceptions.

            Those totals give Barkley a college quarterback rating of 145.8.

            Barkleyhas already finished sixth in the Heisman Trophy voting in 2011. He
            ranks 11th in the Pac-12 in career passing yards, fourth in Pac-12
            history in passing efficiency rating, fourth in the Pac-12 in career
            completion percentage and fifth in Pac-12 history in touchdown passes.”

        • How does an extra yr of reading cards w donald duck on the sideline help a qb w reading Ds or going through progressions at the NFL level? The throws are practically predetermined and many times a QB only makes 2 reads (see Watson).
          Any experience is beneficial but i don’t believe in that type of O it’ll help much at the next level.
          There’s also the possibility that those mickey mouse habits will get more ingrained and hardwired w another yr, bad habits NFL coaches will spend a lot of time trying to rewire (see Trub reworking his footwork and release)
          I contend NFL redshirting Trub will make him a superior long term QB than him starting another yr at NC.

      • willbest

        Just for completeness sake, Barkley came out in the 2013 draft. The 2012 draft went Luck, RG3, Tannehill at 8, Weedon at 22.

        • Luck was sorta a done deal at #1. But beyond that, Barkley was DEF in the mix with RG3, Tannehill and Weeden (see link below/above)

          “Patrick then asked if Barkley thought he would have gone as the second quarterback instead of RG3, and Barkley answered, “I had confidence in that—I think I could have been.”

    • AlbertInTucson

      Charlie Weis was on NFL Network Radio yesterday talking about trying to explain to young QBs the value of staying in school an extra season or even two.

  • Sactowns#1

    So wait, now Gomer Pyle is refusing to sign his contract?! Comedy of errors would be a step up for this org

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      probably just a difference of opinions when it comes to offset language. Same thing with Bosa last year and everyone said the Chargers were just being cheap. It will be interesting when details come out on the hold up.

      • But the Chargers WERE cheap.
        Does anyone doubt if Stein was still in charge that our whole class would’ve been signed first in NFL?
        I can’t see what the hang up is

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I do agree that the Chargers were being cheap, but we knew the details. It could turn out that the Beloved is trying the same bullshit. It is a wait and see. As Will posted earlier Trubs agents like to play hardball.

          • God, I hope we don’t try the same BS.

            Just what we need – a Bosa circus show.

            And that was for a mere defender.

            If Trub goes through the same shit, he’ll remember fans booing him at the Bull’s game fondly.

          • CanadaBear

            The Bears aren’t the first to sign their draft class like when Stein was doing it but it’s not like they have had a bunch of holdouts and problems since Stein got kicked upstairs. Much ado about nothing until it isn’t.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Complain about a problem when it actually becomes a problem.

    • willbest

      Mitch Trubisky’s agents represented Mariota and Wentz. They also represent Bortles and R-berger. They have a history of tough negotiating, and Pace has a history of being slow himself.

    • CanadaBear

      You’re letting your disappointment with the draft pick take over your critical thinking. Who cares when he signs as long as he doesn’t miss any time? The only holdout the Bears have had in decades was Cedrunk. He was special!

      BTW are you digging Portland?

    • BearDown100393

      Just ironing out the bonus regarding snap count education.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Was there Boobies on Friday?

    Swingin’ Sunday!

    http://boobsinmotion.tumblr.com/

    • CanadaBear

      Bless you, my son!

  • CanadaBear

    I see Danimal needs a hug. He’s back to whining about McMahon again (in a passive-agressive way). Apparently Cutler isn’t quite as good as a couple of years ago. Before he said the Bears would have won 5 SB’s if they had Cutler back in the day. Now he’s down to 4 SB’s with Cutler. Great player, complete horse’s ass. Of course, the chances of me saying that to his face are nil.

    • SC Dave

      The presumption, of course, is that Cutler would have stayed healthy.

      • CanadaBear

        He would have had a better chance to stay healthy just because the refs didn’t hate him like they did McMahon. Can’t blame the refs, McMahon is pretty easy to dislike.

        • Johnnywad

          Don’t know about that. They didn’t protect QBs in the ’80s

          • willbest

            They weren’t really protecting Cutler this decade. He got speared in the chest and we didn’t even get a flag.

          • Johnnywad

            I know. Day in and day out though it didn’t rise to the level of 80s beatdowns. Imagine playing back then with the O line Cutler started with.

          • SC Dave

            The line Mac had was pretty good.

          • CanadaBear

            I’d like to think if Charles Martin did that to Cutler he would have gotten more punishment than kicked out of the game and a $5000 fine.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nature of the game back then, though. Hell even 10-15 years ago, MB’s fave guy would have been fined extensively and/or tossed/suspended for a few games for his hits in today’s game.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt the game was more out of control back then but that shot by Martin was not the nature of the game. That was a hideous cheap shot. No doubt, Wilber and Singletary couldn’t steam roll QB’s these days. That shot Samurai put on Aikman when he was almost down was brutal.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Actually, according to Wikipedia, Martin WAS suspended for two games and it was the NFL’s first multi-game suspension for an on-field incident.

          • CanadaBear

            Didn’t remember that. Of course, the fudgies lose a nameless POS for 2 games and the Bears are never the same in that era. FUCK!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Thank you, Forrest Gregg.

          • CanadaBear

            In all the years of watching the rivalry, that’s really the only time I remember the Fudgies being dirty. It all came from the top. FG was a great player but a failure as a coach. Not that there haven’t been some dirty plays here and there but that was the only time I can remember where numerous players on their team were playing dirty.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They had those towels with the names of Bear players they intended to injure.

            Same squad that had safety, Ken Stills, tossed for running Walter WAY out of and into that damned dugout that used to be on those sidelines.

            The same Forrest Gregg that coached the Ken Anderson era Bengals to the Super Bowl.

          • CanadaBear

            I thought it was their numbers on his towel. There were so many incidents back then. I remember both teams trying to take out the other teams kicker among other things. I get the Fudgies were frustrated because the Bears were genuinely good and they weren’t but play at least within spitting distance of the rules.

          • AlbertInTucson

            My bad. It WAS numbers.

          • CanadaBear

            If you’re like me, you’re trying NOT to remember!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Charles Martin died at age 45 from kidney failure.

            “Karma’s A Bitch” ?

          • CanadaBear

            I always try to keep things in perspective and not take sports too seriously. I’ve totally failed in that regard when it comes to CM. The only time I can remember (since I was a kid) when I took pleasure from someone passing. Not proud of it but not gonna deny it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Martin’s pro career lasted all of 5 seasons. 1 in the USFL and 4 in the NFL.

          • CanadaBear

            I knew it wasn’t a long career but that was all. Still pisses me off!!!!!!!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Any of those Canadian wildfires near you?

          • CanadaBear

            There is one here on the Island but it’s pretty well contained. Lots of issues in the interior of BC. Hard to imagine that it rained/snowed off and an on (mostly on) all winter/spring and one dry month can cause all these problems. Maybe the interior of BC didn’t get the shit kicking that we got last winter is my only explanation. Really hope they get a few days of rain soon to put out the fires. Thanks for asking!

          • AlbertInTucson

            About 30 or so in AZ right now. Sonoita, South of here has been evacuated at least twice this season. Summerhaven, atop Mt. Lemmon in the Catalinas (which got burned out in 2003) was evacuated and the Mt. Lemmon Hwy. was closed last week but I think all that has passed. We had a nice, wet winter, too but it has been very dry all spring.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think about forest fires in AZ because of the desert. Definitely lots of forests in the higher elevations. Are the pine beetles much of an issue in AZ? They sure have devastated a lot of forests in the more northerly climates.

          • AlbertInTucson

            No beetle issues that I know off. Here in Southern AZ, we’re in the Sonoran Desert, lots of sand, tumbleweed gila monsters and cactus and the only place you find the giant saguaro cacti (The big ones with arms) but Arizona is also home to several large National Forests including the Coronado, Coconino, Tonto and Kaibab among others.

          • CanadaBear

            We were in Tonto and Coconino while we were down there.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Northern AZ.

            Used to visit “up” there regularly when the child was in College in Flagstaff.

          • BerwynBomber

            They also had much higher INT rates. Would NOT have been a good era for Cutty.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Mac was little, if any, better about forcing the ball than Cutler. If you don’t believe it, get the DVD set of the existing 1985 games and see for yourself.

      • BerwynBomber

        The presumption is also that Cutler was that much better than McMahon. I don’t buy it.

        If Hampton wants a more accurate pie-in-the-sky scenario, replace Da Coach with Belichick.

    • King of DBB

      Just take a few steps back, he can’t catch you. He moves like Herman Munster.

    • BearDown100393

      Probably just grumpy because it is time for another cat scan.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not only is Danimal dumb he has a hard time making speech. A double dose of awful.

  • willbest

    Idiocracy is starting to look like prophecy… I hope Joe and Rita have been frozen already.

    https://www.latinlife.com/article/2999/fellatio-cafe-where-customers-receive-oral-sex-while-they-drink-their-coffee

  • Irish Sweetness
    • Bender McLugh

      very good point with the Gurley comparison, how Gurley was already declining in the 2nd half of his rookie season & Howard did not.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The chart also points out a dead spot at right tackle for us ….

  • Bender McLugh
    • Sactowns#1

      I’ve seen these giant drones in a few variations now. the Uber one was particularly interesting. I think the full automation of transportation systems will be huge though and it will be the first big wave of jobs lost to automation. How many truck drivers are there in the US?

      • Bender McLugh

        it’ll definitely take a while to automate the trucking industry, especially if road upgrades will be required, which is very likely. The personal flying machine, on the other hand, should be available much sooner. Very interesting stuff

        • Sactowns#1

          Why would road upgrades be required? There are fully automated vehicles able to navigate roads now.

          • willbest

            Because the people around the trucks are stupid and unpredictable.

            Truck drivers also have a higher average driving skill. Think about it this way. If the Average driver is a 5, and an average truck driver is a 7, then the AI has to consistently beat 7 in order to be cost effective in terms of reduced accidents increased safety. This could be mitigated by increased hours of operation, assuming the extra use doesn’t reduce the life of the engine or significantly increase maintenance costs.

            Also of note, somebody is going to need to put gas in it. So either gas stations will need to be retrofitted, or there will be an increase in hours for gas station attendants.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Truckers are higher than average drivers? Can you show proof of this?

          • Scharfinator

            From my understanding, most truck drivers are 18-22 year olds with little experience. Coupled with a high turnover rate, these guys hardly ever get *good* at it.

            The guys who do stick around, I would imagine, are pretty awesome drivers.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            yeah and those drivers take something like a 2 day driving course before being put behind the wheel.

          • CanadaBear

            Tough job for sure if you’re a long-distance trucker. It used to be people could make a decent living at it. Have no idea what they get paid these days.

          • RenoBear

            I’m a traffic manager for a large paint corporation…think cover the earth…. And the guys who slack off make $50-60k… the guys who do what we ask and do it in a timely manner make $80k plus…and the ones who really get after it make $100k plus. Not too shabby for driving. Tough job is right, and the young ones are hard to find, we have a few and they’re really good. They run hard and have a good attitude. The grizzled ones are a bit more ornery to say the least. Some are great, some are worthless…just like any line of work. It’s a tough industry to get a young workforce to grow in, for sure. As soon as they are married or have kids, it’s over. Or they get divorced. Tough life. I’m manager/psychologist/babysitter, depending on the employee…

          • Johnnywad

            A truck driver can make $100k?

            That is fucked up.

          • willbest

            But you have to have an otherwise clean driving record in most states.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            having a clean record does not make you a good driver.

          • willbest

            A quick with the google shows that the average age of a truck driver is 44-55 depending on the source.

            People are right about the high turnover though.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Aren’t they driving in straight lines for hundreds of miles? Could a NASCAR driver even make a right turn?

            Thai motorcycle taxis. I get two a day. Those fuckers live inside the matrix.

          • Scharfinator

            Sometimes, sometimes they’re controlling 20 tons of material down a winding mountain pass.

          • Bender McLugh

            they are absolutely not higher than average in every state I’ve driven at least. But when they are good drivers, they are definitely very good.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Drones don’t take meth to stay awake?

          • Bender McLugh

            the upgrades it would seem would be for the computer reading/detecting the road lines, signs, etc., all of which would need to be refreshed or upgraded in some cases in order to ensure safety.

  • willbest
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Just more climate change crap science, show proof that it harmful to the public.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Probably an even HIGHER percentage over the 4th of July weekend.

      • willbest

        It was down from last year

        • AlbertInTucson

          But, still probably higher than a “normal” weekend in the Windy City.

    • CanadaBear

      Lead poisoning can be quite the killer.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • Bender McLugh

      redick

  • willbest

    Just thinking about autonomous long-haul as an easy source for piracy on the highways. Without a driver you can bet the software is going to solve the trolley problem against itself and cargo. The response time outside of major metro areas is probably over 20 minutes.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      why would it be a source of piracy? Autonomous vehicles would be loaded with cameras, and gps equipment. It would be easier to go up to a vehicle with a driver and offer him a couple grand and just take his trailer.

      • willbest

        Well for starters that trucker is going to have to answer questions. He is going to get fired so he is going to need to find a new line of work. There is always the risk he turns you in. Plus there is GPS in them now, so you aren’t just driving off with them.

        By contrast, obstruct the road, force it to stop or crash since its just property anyway, crowbar open the back, and grab a couple pallets of stuff and be on your way in 10-15 minutes.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          and your crime is recorded on the various cameras on the truck.

          • willbest

            a ski mask and a signal jammer aren’t expensive.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And some of those idiots don’t seem to care that there are on camera. We are running a story, locally, about, “PORCH PIRATES”. There’s a camera mounted on the outside and another in a window, both in plain view, and the guy walks right up, no mask, no hat and just walks off with a package.

          • willbest

            Been tempted to set one of those up to see which one of my a-hole neighbors keeps letting their dog shit on my yard and not picking it up.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Save few days’ worth and then dump it all over his front stoop.
            Watch out for a camera, though.

  • King of DBB

    So Donny Trump Jr. and the Russian Lawyer were hooked up at the hotel by a Russian Pop Star.

    Natalia Veselnitskay is the Russian Lawyer.

    http://www.bljesak.info/Thumb/322×218/natalia-poklonskaya.jpg

    She is marginally fuckable. Like Hotel bar pickup spinner. I think she will be played by Alicia Vikander. Will Arnet will play Donny Junior. Of course.

    Then there is the Russian DJ named EMIN (short of a shortened Eminmem), doomed to be played by Seth McFarlane. In his music video he fantasizes about banging Miss Russia until Miss USA comes along and bops him in the head with a walnut bowl, as if to say “no dummy, bang me.”

    https://youtu.be/iuZUNjFsgS8?t=116

    He arranges the meet and they, according to Donny Junior, only discuss adopting Russian babies. But the real Russian babies are in EMIN’s music video.

    • BearDown100393

      Mitch will adopt 12 Russian babies after winning the Super Bowl.

      • King of DBB

        You ought not miss the video. He collects hookers from around the globe and then Trump fires him at the end. It’s especial.

  • willbest

    So Johnny Depp is broke or something? Or really just cash poor since its all in crap that doesn’t earn any income and difficult to sell like Bahamas islands.

    Nic Cage missed an opportunity I think. He could be charging hollywood actors lots of money to teach them what not to do, instead he keeps making one crappy movie after another.

    • BearDown100393

      Depp is whacked.

    • Sactowns#1

      Depp is worth something like $400mil. Cage is worth something like 5% of that.

      • willbest

        I saw that number in wiki and it doesn’t pass the smell test. I know he started making 20 mill a movie after Pirates and even broke 50 million on a couple of them, but the manager, agent, and tax man are going to take half that.

        A good money manager is going to get you decent returns, but it appears he spent $100 million on houses, and $3 million on an ash cannon (to fire cremated remains), etc. Those are assets that cost money, are hard to move, come with huge transfer costs. So while its not the same as burning, its generally a loss.

        This all came to a head when his current managers started telling him, no you can’t afford to do this or that, and so he sued them for taking too large of a commission.

        ed. Oh and Amber Heard is suing him now because he hasn’t coughed up any of the $7 million she is owed under the divorce settlement.

        • Sactowns#1

          Oh I read an in depth article about it and he gets back end money and production cred on quite a few films. That’s how he made that much. problem is he bought an island and a warehouse full of art.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Pre-season heroes are not yet on show. So ….

    The last day of WW I. The armistice was signed, but the war was not scheduled to end for another 6 hours.

  • Joecashflow

    The Quarterback Whisperer has a book out. No not that one. The one we should have as head coach, along with many post season appearances we missed. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/06/when-peyton-manning-wanted-to-be-pulled-from-a-blowout-bruce-arians-refused/

  • ManGod

    The battle for #1 WR on the Bears will come down to C Meredith and K White period. Both have the ability and the tangibles to become #1 WRs in the NFL. The cherry on top if you will is that this year the Bears could be starting the season with two equally competent #1 Wrs in White and Meredith. The bigger factor will be the chemistry developed between both Wrs and M Glennon (who short of an injury during camp or pre-season will be the starting QB); and that will be the pre-determining factor as to which WR actually becomes the #1 WR for the Bears’ this year. Early indicators are leaning in Meredith’s favor and therefore he could be the guy for Glennon. What is really more intriguing is the fact that Glennon will be playing behind one of the best interior OL in the NFL, have one of the top 5 RBs and a group of WRs and TEs that give him an excellent opportunity to finally prove that he is more than just a backup quality QB in the NFL. Pace has given Loggains and Glennon every weapon necessary to showcase a very balanced and high scoring offense….the reality of the situation is going to boil down to game plans, adjustments and execution. The question I think that is really being avoided here and in the media is this, has Pace set the stage for J Fox and D Loggains potential exit if the Bears do not drastically improve in the win column and show signs of being competitive not just in the division, but in the overall scheme of the NFL road to the SB? Regardless of what beat writers, sports analytics and SPARQ scores and bench tests say, Pace has loaded this team with the necessary skill sets, athletes, and talent potential necessary to win games and be productive and competitive in the NFL…..for my money I say if the Bears do not finish this season at least 8-8 or a lkeague average of 9-7, both Fox and Loggains will be terminated after the season is over.

    • Johnnywad

      Hard to say what the interior of the line really is. Kush is out for the season, and Long is recovering from two really bad injuries. So much so that they had to flip him to left guard. That means he’s not right, and Sitton is now out of position. Could be fine, but could also be less than fine.

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