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Big Picture: Ryan Pace Has 8 Games To Decide Future of Bears Offense

| October 30th, 2017

John David Mercer – USA TODAY Sports


Today could easily be spent on the particulars of the Bears 20-12 loss to the New Orleans Saints. We could talk about the ridiculousness of the Zach Miller overturn, a call that irrationally and irrevocably changed the outcome of the game, but Adam Hoge covered that brilliantly HERE. We could talk about another sterling defensive effort, marred by a few costly mistakes, but Adam Jahns detailed those HERE. We could talk about Connor Barth but, really, who wants to?

Yesterday wasn’t about the small things, however. Yesterday felt big picture.

The Bears – Ryan Pace, John Fox, Vic Fangio –  have built a championship defense. Not a decent defense or a good defense. A championship defense. And with a few off-season additions, it won’t matter who is coaching the unit. When the talent is that good and that deep you could bring Mel Tucker back and the Bears would still rank top ten in every meaningful defensive category.

[Note to Ryan Pace: Don’t bring Mel Tucker back. I was kidding.]

The offense is…the issue.

One couldn’t help wonder what Ryan Pace was thinking as he sat and watched his new team face his former team in the Superdome yesterday. It is well-documented how close the relationship between Pace and Sean Payton was during their time together and one has to believe there was some longing in the Bears GM’s heart Sunday.

Because the Saints offensive coaching staff was doing advanced mathematics at MIT. Their run game was varied and creative, using several formations and calls they hadn’t previously used this season. There was strategy in everything they did, with each early call having a late rationale. That’s not a wildly talented collection of offensive players but the coaching staff puts every one of them in the best position to succeed. Novel concept, huh?

The Bears offensive coaching staff was counting blocks at Wise Owl Nursery School in Belleville, NJ. (It is right between the McDonald’s and the bowling alley.) Their play-calling is predictable to the point of stubbornness. The four people I sat with at Josie Wood’s yesterday – folks not spending their Tuesday mornings watching the all-22 tape – were able to accurately predict run or pass about 90% of the time. Believe, I was taking an audible poll.

  • When the Bears face obvious run-look defenses, they run into them.
  • When the Bears face obvious passing downs, they run the most vanilla passing attack the league has ever seen. Insane considering their talent outside!
  • On a third and fourth down late in the game, needing only a yard, the Bears suddenly put the game on the rookie’s right arm.


The Bears have a wonderful talent at quarterback. The have a good offensive line, when healthy. They have a perfect pair of complementary running backs. The whole world knows the Bears are currently playing with the league’s worst crop of wide receivers and that’s not going to change until they kick off their 2018 campaign. One can only hope a few of the players finishing out the string at that position make a positive enough impact to have a role moving forward.

But Pace is now faced with the most important decision of his tenure in Chicago: are John Fox and Dowell Loggains the men to coach this quarterback and build this offense moving forward? Pace likes John Fox. I’m told he likes John Fox very much. He could easily take the team’s offensive struggles on his own back, blame himself for the lack of receiving talent and give Fox/Loggains 2018 with a new stable of pass catchers.

He could also move on, thank Fox for helping him build the Bears back to respectability and hire a young offensive mind to usher that unit into the modern era.

Either way, the GM needs to get this decision correct and, more importantly, needs to get the decision correct now. The Bears can’t afford to waste another season of this defense. They can’t afford to wait another season before changing the system Mitch Trubisky runs.

At 3-5 through the first eight games of the 2017 season, the arrow is pointed decidedly up for the Chicago Bears under Ryan Pace. They are on their way to what is most likely a 7-9 season and four-game improvements in the NFL shouldn’t be undervalued. But the leap from 7-9 to the postseason is a leap many franchises have found the most difficult in the sport. Pace doesn’t have to look any further than the opposing sideline Sunday. The Saints finally look poised to break a three-year streak of 7-9 seasons.

The Bears won’t make that leap in 2018 if they continue to play pre-war offensive football. Pace has to determine if this coaching staff is capable of more.

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  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    First down…. run.

    • Bear Instincts

      This is funny

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        no it’s not.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          yes it is.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    To sum up this article:

    Birdcaged.

    • Bear Instincts

      Fox decides what the offense looks like. Birdcage is just as responsible because he makes the calls based on what he is allowed to use. The entire offensive staff and Fox need to go

  • Colonel Cluster

    Hmm….. So just how close is Ryan Pace and Sean Peyton?

    • Bear Instincts

      Hell No

  • Colonel Cluster

    It’s interesting Jeff used the term “pre-war” for the Bears offense. Fox uses a battle of attrition strategy on, it’s turrible.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    I’m just going to say that any team that does “advanced mathematics at MIT” is doing it for gambling purposes and not for the benefit of humanity.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      I remember at MIT some guy saying that he was doing his electronic engineering thesis on baseball pitch counts because it would not be too scrutinized.

  • SC Dave

    Sorry about yesterday, gang. I’m better now.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      all is forgiven…thanks for staying alive.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      does that mean we won’t get to see you post about knob slobbering?

      • Scharfinator

        Lol say it isn’t so!

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I know. I will be a little depressed if it’s true.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        I think knob slobbering is an Alice in Wonderland reference I never understood.

        …until college.

    • BearDown100393

      Never apologize for honesty

      • SC Dave

        It was over the top, and thus boring.

    • beninnorcal

      I still love you, man

      • SC Dave

        Thanks Ben.

    • evantonio

      i missed it. can i get the cliff notes version?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        No knob slobbering on Trubs. He sucks.

      • SC Dave

        I’d really rather not. “M”HBP is not too far off.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, me too.

      I love my defense. I do. I was taking life seriously there for a while.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    from Jeff’s twitter:”Bears have clearly turned corner. They’ll be competitive weekly. They’ll get into the league’s mid-pack. The leap from there is a hard one.”

    It depends on the offensive line. A great offensive line makes a great team. It even allowed Rex Grossman to take the Bears to the Super Bowl. Same with Cutler. He had a good and healthy O-line for maybe 2 years? I don’t know. I just remember him getting body slammed for a few years before it came together for two years before it started sucking again.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I’m not a huge fan of Sean Payton. That being said he is probably a better offensive minded coach than John Fox will ever be and offensive geared coaching is exactly what the Bears need. I have no warm and fuzzies for Sean Payton…who else out there can fill this need and do it well?

    • Corn Pop Janitor

      The Cards might run Arians out of town.

      • Scharfinator

        Ack please no.

        • Bear Instincts

          Thank you

    • Bear Instincts

      The man from Michigan

    • evantonio

      Dave Taub for HC!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Chucky Cheese!

      He should get the job because he basically asked for it whilst covering a game. Kind of. Sorta.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    https://tinyurl.com/y7on5pm5

    Just need to imagine him with that orange on, but just an orange jumpsuit and no wig. Maybe cuffs and chains just for show.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      who is that?

      • SC Dave

        Does anyone care?

        • Bear Instincts

          Former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort . hes supposed to Surrenders to feds In Russia Probe

        • CanadaBear

          Certainly not right wingers.

    • Bear Instincts

      Why? Why do you hate The Beloved so?

    • Bear Instincts

      The Beloved will never changes their colors but please don’t associate this traitor with our colors.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Impressive barnet.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    …he would have no reason to, but if Harbaugh ever came back to town he would be treated like the second coming of Jesus,…or whatever deity of your choice.

    • Bear Instincts

      His reasons in no particular order:
      -show the 49ers the error of their ways
      -ownerships is loyalty to formers players…money will not be an issues
      -he likes MT10
      -he has a need to prove to the football world that he can win the big one
      -super uber competitive….his brother can’t be the only one in the family with a ring

  • Malice Halice

    This is a roller coaster of a season. That’s for damn sure. Gotta take it all in stride. Pace does need to figure this coaching issue and Offense out pronto but one u guys said that it would be detrimental having MT go under the HC/OC carousel. He needs stability or like post above said bring in a Modern Mind with creativity.

    • Bear Instincts

      Stability starts this off season with a new HC/OC/QBC. Would you rather Fox&Birdcage continue to groom him or try someone else?

      • Malice Halice

        Try someone else. Final answer

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Holy crap Mortensen just reported that Miller had emergency surgery after the game. Arterial damage, the surgery was to ‘save’ the leg.

    • That Guy

      Damn. This is Teddy Bridgewater territory. Except Miller is 33 with a history of lower-leg injuries. He’s certainly done, even if they fix him up 100%.

      A shame, because he was a real talent, and by all reports, a great teammate.

      Why don’t POS human beings get nailed with these horrific injuries?

      • SC Dave

        +several on that last comment. But maybe they do, and we don’t care so don’t notice?

    • Irish Sweetness

      This was my worry. Not that he’d play again, but that he’d be able to do shit with his kids. If he has any.

  • That Guy

    The thing that kills me about Miller’s catch is that there was no video–NONE–showing the ball hitting the ground. Ruling on the field can only be overturned in the face of irrefutable video evidence.

    I don’t care WHAT the rule is; there was no evidence to overturn.

    The NFL owes everyone an apology.

    • Bear Instincts

      They can keep their pology. It does not give us the touchdown back.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    Adam Shaeffter will be tweeting today about the status of Miller.

    Vascular surgeons will be doing some advanced surgery to try and save his leg

    • 505Bears

      Yeah, big bummer for Miller as a person. Hope everything works out, and he is able to live a full life after football.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    Fox had Millers wife and family flown to NO and Foxy is going back down there

    • Bear Instincts

      Big whoop. Fox is to blame for Millers knee

      • SC Dave

        I believe his point was this is damn serious.

        • Bear Instincts

          This

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        how is Fox to blame? should he not have had him on the team?

        • SC Dave

          Yeah, that was pretty silly.

    • CanadaBear

      As much shit as the McCaskey’s take around here (almost all of it well deserved) they do the right thing more often than not when it comes to this. I wish the Bears were a better run org but at times like this I’m glad to say I’m a Bears fan.

      • BearDown100393

        Because no other NFL team would fly a family under similar circumstances? Which ones?

        • willbest

          Yorks kind of an ass. Davis is too aspie to realize that is something you are supposed to do. But I presume he hasn’t completely surrounded himself with pyschopaths.

        • CanadaBear

          Sorry I forgot to name every team that would do this. I kinda thought this was a Bears blog. Go back to crying about Pace and Trubisky.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am just glad he is not knob slobbering anyone, I don’t want Dave to get upset.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t hang out here on game day for obvious reasons. Some of the guys are bad drunks.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I sometimes wonder why I still do. I guess it is out of habit at this point.

          • CanadaBear

            I usually come on here after the game and give my thoughts on the game. I don’t go back and read any of the previous comments. If it looks like a shit storm on here, I bail and come back the next day.

          • BearDown100393

            The offense yesterday was far worse than whatever you interpret as bad posts here.

          • CanadaBear

            Why compound the torture?

        • McNair would hire Dog the Bounty Hunter to retrieve his AWOL criminal.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dog reminds me of a Golden Retriever. So does his wife. RUFF!

  • Corn Pop Janitor
  • leftcoastdave

    The “Big Picture?”

    Sorry, it lacks perspective and was Small, not big.

    “The Bears offensive coaching staff was counting blocks at Wise Owl Nursery School in Belleville, NJ.”

    C-O-N-T-I-N-U-I-T-Y. Think about it. This is why a “team” beats an assemblage of all-stars. That is why our D7 and O line are great.

    Other than Jordan Howard, every piece of our offensive “weaponry” is new. The Aints may have had several middling seasons, but they were playing by and large together in the same system.

    Failing to understand that and criticizing for perceived “failure” stemming from this lack of playing time together is Small.

    Mitchell was good yesterday and will get much better after this bye week where he and the receivers get on the same page and open up route trees. I recall hitch and go routes to Cam last year. Did he have different coaches? Or did Cutty have more time to work with him on the route? The question was rhetorical.

    The D was awesome (note the absence of Unrein and how it affected the d-line?) and the O continues to improve, this week against one of the better D’s in the league.

    Sorry, Jeff, 9-7 is the floor.

    • Bear Instincts

      So you believe that Fox&Birdcage can turn MT10 into a quality, probowlqb who can lead us to the promised land?

      • leftcoastdave

        It doesn’t matter what I “believe,” I am merely pointing out the obvious.

        Eight games into the season, this team has lost all of its best receivers and only Jordan Howard remains from last year as an offensive weapon.

        Is that not a glaring fact?

        And against the toughest first eight games any team plays, da Bears are 3-5 when the Vegas over/under was 5 on the season and three of those losses could have turned the other way.

        Yet, the whiners fail to see the obvious, which is simply that it takes time for a) a QB to learn the system and b) learn to read the complex D’s thrown at him and c) develop chemistry with his receivers.

        What’s “believe” got to do with those facts?

        • Bear Instincts

          That chemisty was put on hold because Fox wanted to run the ball every down and depend on the defense to score TD’s and win the game. Since MT10 took over Fox&Birdcage have limited the playbook. Sunday was the result of a limited playbook and the limited thinking of a HC past his prime.

          A good coach works with what he’s got. How did deobte Thompson put up 100+yes and a td in his first game with the bills but struggled with us?

          Another HC&OC could do more with what we have than these 2. Where is the creativity in the play calling? Why are we so predictable on offense?

          Fact is Fox&Birdcage need to go. If not MT10, the defense and everything Pace has been working towards is doomed.

          • leftcoastdave

            Fox didn’t “want” to do anything. He chose to do what he did which was go to strength while Mitchell was being learned up. And it has worked in greater degree than recognized. (How many Ints has Mitchell thrown? Could be a lot more.)

            Criticizing the coaching staff for not producing more from a new assemblage of players is simplistic. Did you watch the game? Did you see many open receivers? Sometimes they were open and Mitchell did not see them. That happens.

            Wax on. Wax off.

          • Bear Instincts

            You see a coach limiting turnovers and I see a coach who is afraid to take chances because of his conservative nature

          • leftcoastdave

            A QB does not develop chemistry with his receivers on game day. That is what the off season and game prep days are for. Of the players there preseason, only Wheaton and Gentry remain.

          • BearDown100393

            Which is why signing Giraffe and drafting a QB with the #2 overall pick is bewildering.

          • willbest

            Not when you realize how raw Trubisky is. The kid was never supposed to play this year. But then Giraffe wasn’t supposed to be anywhere this bad. Like I said, if we had gotten Josh McCown we would be 5-3 right now.

          • BearDown100393

            So…. maybe just maybe….. you do not draft Mitchell Trubisky.

          • BerwynBomber

            My suspicion is that very few rookie QBs ever have the full playbook thrown in their lap. Even a kid like Watson, who played a ton of college ball in the biggest venues possible, probably operates from a playbook that has been trimmed.

            Bisky only had one year of college ball under his belt. He is pretty damn green. So he would likely take longer to master (and feel comfortable) with the entire playbook than most.

            If you wanna get rid of Fox and Loggains, I get it. But a better argument is probably their record and Fox’s age than a limited playbook for Mitch Trubisky.

          • BearDown100393

            So basically your argument is that because Pace drafted a guy with primarily high school experience, we need to keep things really basic for him?

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s my suspicion, yes. Certainly Fox has a history of being a conservative coach, but I can’t imagine Trubisky is a Rhodes Scholar in the QB room either.

            Patience …

          • BearDown100393

            But that makes sense to you – trading up for the #2 overall pick and using it to draft a guy with primarily HS starting experience? And with the understanding that many other positions also need talent and depth?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            yes, if you take into account that they did not think Glennon would shit the bed and MT would not play this year until very late if at all. Now if you want to pin the total failure to evaluate Glennon as a functional bridge on Pace that’s fine.

          • SC Dave

            I don’t get this argument. Why worry about too much about chemistry with guys that *may* make the practice squad when we get real receivers?

            Wright, Shaheen, Cohen, okay. The rest?

            Did you see McBride try to block on Howard’s sweep in the red zone? Gracious.

          • evantonio

            What did D. Thompson do in his second game with the Bills?

          • Irish Sweetness

            5 amazing yards. Each one an oil painting of distance, striven for with a stoic grace, etched on a breathless, icy canvas … yearning for the next.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ???
            Deonte didn’t struggle with us. He was our best receiver.

            And somebody thinks Gentry is better? Or do they think he’s just younger?

      • Irish Sweetness

        He could be that regardless of what Fox does.

        Did Ditka need to develop Mac?

    • BearDown100393

      Mitch was good?

      Oh.

      • leftcoastdave

        Relatively speaking and accounting for drops. Coulda, woulda, shoulda had two or three TDs and not been forced to throw that late INT.

        • BearDown100393

          Who was supposed to catch that last pass?

        • SC Dave

          There were several balls that SHOULD have been intercepted by the Saints DBs can’t catch.

          Although the Vaccaro guy sure played a good game.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    ESPN’s financial woes compound with news it is stepping away from a renewal bid with the NFL.

    I guess this is the reason that Goodell and his Billionaires Club created the NFL Network – to hedge against ABC financial ineptitude.

    • BerwynBomber

      Link? Source?

      • Corn Pop Janitor
        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I read that article also. It did not actually specify that ESPN was stepping away from the NFL contract. It was a ‘what if’ piece. Now there is probably some bits of truth to it, since the article is out there, but nothing is set in stone.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m certainly no expert on ESPN but I don’t think the problem is the money spent on the NFL rights. They had more ex-athletes on the payroll than half the sports leagues have current athletes. Get rid of 90% of those bozos.

          • BearDown100393

            Still employs Stephen A Smith. Worse than the bozos.

          • CanadaBear

            No argument there.

          • SC Dave

            That ought to tell you something.

          • willbest

            You would think that finding former coaches would work better (and be significantly cheaper) because they have a wider understanding of the sport than a position player.

            Fox and CBS both run pre-game shows and I don’t really care which ex-athletes they are paying.

          • CanadaBear

            Other than a handful of athletes, all the rest of them seem interchangeable on that network.

        • BerwynBomber

          Ah ok, speculative. I thought you meant it was a done deal.

          • Corn Pop Janitor

            Well the renewal time is not upon them yet, but the article states there are strong reasons to suspect they will not re-up, the main one being the revised affiliate contract that went out.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, the weakening of the four-letter behemoth continues. They had a helluva run but the pervasiveness of the internet, singular sports networks and social media ultimately proved too much.

            Once SportsCenter became redundant/unnecessary they were fucked.

    • BearDown100393

      No loss if the Mouse divorces ESPN. The network was more interesting covering tractor pulls and Australian rules ruby anyway.

      • CanadaBear

        Darts!

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I wish they would cover Curling more.

        • CanadaBear

          You so need to come for a visit. You could see more curling than you ever thought possible.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Bye week came at a good time this year. Hope we can get some players healthy, integrate Inman, and figure out some better play calling.

    • Sactowns#1

      Man I’m smoking fools like this was a BBQ competition. And my bench is so deep it needs its own remote sub.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        huh???

        • Sactowns#1

          I have been beating the competition rather handally lately and my bench is chock full of good players.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    Looks like that big “Nothing Burger” was full of Gyros. Shit Gyros:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia.html

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    And it appears Kevin Spacey was Kevin Rapey, living down to every debauched stereotype that Hollyweird has.

    He always kind of weirded me out.

    • BearDown100393

      American Beauty

  • willbest

    I don’t know what the hell Jeff is talking about. If the Bears had executed the plays called they would have had at least 11 more points and won the game. And despite the offenses inability to execute the game plan they still had an opportunity to send it to overtime but Mitch threw the ball straight to the DB when he had not one but two wide open receivers 30 yards down the field.

    Birdcage isn’t the best OC in the world, but that loss wasn’t even remotely on him. And it blows my mind that Jeff can say this in the course of an hour and not implode from how utterly illogical it is when taken together.

    “Ryan Pace can’t like how this game is being called. He just can’t.” – Jeff

    “Anything! This offense is the least creative in the league. And the defense is doing all they can.” – Jeff

    “Bears averaging 3.3 per carry. Running it poorly again. But they keep insisting it’s their strength. It’s not.” – Jeff

    “Bears have known they don’t have wide receivers for 8 weeks. It shouldn’t be surprising them now.” – Jeff

    So the Bears can’t run (???). And the Bears can’t throw to WRs, and their only TE worth a damn got carted off. So what the fuck? And his problem is that Loggains can’t spin dog shit into prime rib?

    Who’s fault the WR locker room is that way? That’s right Pace
    Who’s fault is it that the ball was overthrown and underthrown all day long? That’s right Trubisky.

    But you want to blame the fucking OC because you would call the plays differently? And somehow in your mind Cohen and Wright and McBride might somehow be open and exactly where they need to be to catch Trubisky’s poorly thrown pass? And lets see where Bridcage is getting his most criticism. Oh right
    when he decided to put the rookie in the best chance to succeed because
    he was passing from such an obvious running situation. Unbelievable.

    I get cutting Trubisky some slack because he is a rookie and he is still learning, but that doesn’t mean you get to go and blame everybody around him when he predictability acts like a god damn rookie.

    • BearDown100393

      The blog is all in on Mitch Trubisky. Reality and perspective is out the window.

      Sort of like assuming Ryan Pace isn’t a problem also.

      • willbest

        Well Pace has been successful in filling up a defense that Fox/Fangio know how to coach into their scheme. He also has done an okay job on the offensive line and for the running back room. His WR and QB chops are at present inconclusive but not looking good, and he clearly doesn’t understand placekicker at all.

        • BearDown100393

          His quarterback evaluation process needs review also.

      • Malice Halice

        True shit, if Pace is adamant about the bears winning we would have Bryant here by the end of the week. I’m pullin the serenity card this year, I’m numb now

        • willbest

          Bryant is a WR diva without the #1 bona fides to be worth the headache. Pace doesn’t like problem childs or Marty would still be a Bear.

          • BearDown100393

            Larry Fitzgerald may be the only quality non-diva deep threat wideout in the league.

          • willbest

            Is Julio a diva? Megatron never seemed to be

          • Irish Sweetness

            Back to Tanner Gentry so ….

        • Bear Instincts

          Give up a draft pick for a weed head who does not value the opportunity he has been give to make money enough to not use drugs during the season? No thanks.

          What makes you think he would change his troublesome ways if he came here?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Those players that drink alcohol are doing worse things to their body, while science is a thing …

      • Bear Instincts

        Before you point fingers at Pace be greatful that you dont have Angelo (refuse to draft a qb in the 1st round) or Emery (entire draft class gone)

        • BearDown100393

          The trigger was pulled for Cutler. It was a gamble worth taking. And it did not work out.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            we’ll see how Pace responds. The trigger was pulled for Cutler after massive failure in 2006,2007,2008 despite having the D and ST, and OL and running game.
            We know why Cutler didn’t work out.
            We know Angelo had an actual philosophy about not drafting or acquiring top WR talent. They whiffed on every single OL pick and FA acquisition and ironically they started whiffing on every single D pick as well which allowed a playoff caliber D to slowly whither and die.

          • BearDown100393

            And the possibility history will repeat itself albeit with a different philosophy. Time will tell. But the clock ticks.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I can understand Jeff on this. When you see the following.
      1. Cohen running into the gut of the defense.
      2. 3 and 1 in the 4th. and 2 straight passes.
      3. still too many times it’s run, run, pass.
      4. at the time of the 3.3 per carry tweet. this was before Howards break out run. yet they were still running the same plays out of the same sets over and over again like they would work against 8-9 man boxes

      it is called predictability, and it is a problem.

      • willbest

        On #1, I don’t know if it is still true, but when I looked into it after week 4 or 5, Cohen was actually the better back between the tackles. He didn’t do it all that often, but he was over a yard better than Howard. Now that can be misleading. Early in the seasons D’s didn’t know about him. And even when they did, they weren’t necessarily expecting him to go up the gut.

      • SC Dave

        On #2, this blog will damn Loggains whatever he does.

        Now had Howard been stuffed twice (unlikely, but with two backup guards in the game, and zero WRs that can even pretend to block possible none the less), the froth would have flowed freely for his “unimaginative” calls.

    • Sactowns#1

      The amount of slack he cuts Gomer is amazing.

  • BearDown100393

    Jeff mentioned to write an entire post recap without noting the possibility of Miller losing his leg. But hey, next horse up after the old one is put down right?

    • Corn Pop Janitor

      Jeff usually writes these things very early or late Sunday. He may not have seen Sheffter’s tweet when he posted.

      • BearDown100393

        The severity and possibility was published after the game. Either way, best wishes to Zach Miller.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          if it was, it was not widely reported.

          • BearDown100393

            Posted on the previous thread

  • willbest

    Just to break down the play calling by first downs

    1) Pass (trub run), run run
    2) Run, pass, pass, punt
    3) run, run
    4) pass
    4) run, run, run
    5) run, run, pass, FG
    6) run, pass
    7) run, pass
    8) pass, run, pass, punt

    9) pass
    10) run, run, pass
    11) run, pass, pass
    12) run, pass, pass (missed FG)
    13) run, run, pass, punt
    14) run
    15) pass, run, pass
    16) run, run, pass, FG
    17) run, run, pass, punt
    18) pass, run, pass, punt
    19) pass, pass, pass (trub epic run)

    20) pass, pass, pass
    21) run (QB design run), pass, pass
    22) run TD, (pass on 2pt attempt)
    23) pass, pass, pass, pass (TO on downs)
    24) pass, pass (INT)

    • SC Dave

      Great news is there are a lot more than five entries in that list.

    • Bear Instincts

      I see a lot of runs but not a lot of pass aka predictability

      • willbest

        Considering how often Trubisky just missed his intended target (when they bothered to get open), can you really blame the OC?

        • Bear Instincts

          In this game possibly no. But all this could have been avoided to some extent if they had started throwing the ball 3 games ago to give MT10 and the WR’s time to build chemistry.

          • willbest

            They don’t build chemistry in the 5 weeks of practice?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            you can not duplicate game speeds in practice.

          • SC Dave

            Nor in pre-season practices.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Forrest Gump : I am not a smart man … but I am going to …stack the BOCKS.

  • It’s all part of the plan

    Is Miller going to lose his leg?

    • willbest

      Its a concern.

    • SC Dave

      Artery damage needed repair before tissue was too long without blood. I have not seen much of an update.

    • BearDown100393

      Maybe

  • BerwynBomber

    “Because the Saints offensive coaching staff was doing advanced mathematics at MIT.”

    Helps when your QB is Drew Brees.

    • willbest

      I have not been impressed with MIT grads the same way I have been impressed with Stanford grads.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, Aints had Fats Domino stickers on their helmets yesterday. Surprised Sherriff Goodell hasn’t publicly censured them for that transgression.

    • BearDown100393

      He probably will. Helmet stickers may violate insurance agreements along with Goodell’s overzealous player fines.

      • BerwynBomber

        Remember when the league wouldn’t let Peyton wear black high-tops in honor of Unitas? The nadir of pettiness.

        • BearDown100393

          The Goodell bot has no human emotion. Just the way the owners wanted when he was raised by them.

        • WP4Life

          wow, Didn’t know that, almost militant like

        • CanadaBear

          Dick Nolan wanted to wear suits on the sideline to honor his dad and they wouldn’t let him (due to an agreement with whichever clothing manufacturer was lining their pockets at the time).

          • BearDown100393

            The only professional sport preferring sideline personnel appear as hobos…..

  • WP4Life

    After the bye week – Lets crush Fudge by 30!

    4 defensive takeaways.

    Demolish them.

    • BearDown100393

      We shall see.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed. If we come out flat for that one, no excuses. Especially with Rodgers being out.

      And if ever there was a pass D that Bisky could cut his teeth on, it’s the Cheese’s.

  • willbest

    I have an 800 credit score, but I doubt I would fair as well in this scoring system.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion

  • It’s all part of the plan

    Miller update: Torn Popliteal artery , successful surgery immediately on Sunday. So far so good….

    Holy Fuck, this is what he tore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLAB17LdS2k

    • willbest

      good

    • CanadaBear

      YIKES! Hope he has a full recovery. Not concerned about him ever playing again.

      • Corn Pop Janitor

        I’ll probably chuck lunch if I click that link. So I won’t.

        I know it was bad.

        • CanadaBear

          Just a diagram. Looks like the biggest artery in the area. Know what ya mean. After the first slo-mo replay I had no desire to watch that again.

          • Scharfinator

            Thanks.

    • Bender McLugh

      successful surgery is great news for him. Career done most likely, although he is a bit ntuzo and might try another comeback.

      • SC Dave

        Hopefully his family talks him out of it.

        • BearDown100393

          Maybe be a TE coach down the road.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            Bears will hire him. Everyone loves that dude.

      • BearDown100393

        Does not matter what he wants, only matters who would be willing to insure his NFL contract.

  • Sactowns#1

    Has the NFL made a statement on the Miller TD yet? I’m dying to hear their BS.

    • BearDown100393

      They don’t caaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    • They did yesterday. Basically said he failed to complete the process of the catch when he put the ball down after catching it.

      Which is complete BS, and everybody knows it.

      • willbest

        Holy fuck… I would punch somebody who said that with a straight face.

  • leftcoastdave

    So do we reactivate Freeman now to be suspended for the last eight games of this season plus two next year or just let him come back for the last six games next year? Or is this the axe?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/30/bears-jerrell-freeman-suspended-10-games-for-peds/

    • EnderWiggin

      Second time failing drug test = cut.
      500k dead space next year = cut
      disrespect to wearing # 50 = cut

    • Scharfinator

      Great deal for the Bears $$$ wise…

    • It’s all part of the plan

      you cannot make this shit up.

      • It’s all part of the plan

        daaaaayyyyyyuummmmmmm!

    • BerwynBomber

      Nice knowing you, Jerrell.

      Kinda makes one wonder if Freeman’s entire NFL career was a product of PED usage.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        This makes no sense. Freeman could afford to pay $10K in the offseason to go to the ‘Alex Rodriguez Baseball Camp’ or the ‘Barry Bonds Hitting Clinic’. I am pretty sure both those events spend at least a day going over how to avoid testing positive for PEDs.

        • CanadaBear

          Amateur. He would have been drummed out of pro bike racing in the first couple of years.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Wake up. They’re all on PEDs. He was dumb enough to get caught.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      At least we have the next 8 games to evaluate Jones and Kwiatkoski at the other ILB position.

      • Is Kwiat coming back?

        Jones has always been more explosive (mocha joke here somewhere).

        If Jones is no longer a coverage liability, that job is his.

        He looks more instinctive this yr, and is def more aggressive and violent.

        • CanadaBear

          He dressed yesterday.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            he even played a few snaps yesterday.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Kwiat is a thinker. Can’t have them in the middle.

    • Freeman was already likely to get cut anyway between his advancing age and the fact that the Bears have 2 young ILB they like who have played well in his absence.

      This cements it.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Boy I don’t know about that. He was our best defender prior to Hicks going on a tear.

        Water under the bridge at this point. Dead man walkin

    • Irish Sweetness

      Cut. Cut-titity. Cut.

  • leftcoastdave

    Jeff: “I’m working on this column!!! Why isn’t Bellamy playing? He gets open!”

    And the off season hand transplants look to have taken!

    I love Bellamy!

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    In other – non-Pirate pegleg injury news:

    Whitehair shoulder – what’s up?
    Long hand – does it need a pin?
    The wild rumors that Cohen dived the pile on the 1 yard score because something very bad went wrong with Howard and what that might be about.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    From the DOJ Indictment:

    4. In furtherance of the scheme, MANAFORT used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a
    lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income. MANAFORT, without
    reporting the income to his tax preparer or the United States, spent millions of dollars on luxury
    goods and services for himself and his extended family through payments wired from offshore
    nominee accounts to United States vendors. MANAFORT also used these offshore accounts to
    purchase multi-million dollar properties in the United States. MANAFORT then borrowed
    millions of dollars in loans using these properties as collateral, thereby obtaining cash in the United
    States without reporting and paying taxes on the income. In order to increase the amount of money
    he could access in the United States, MANAFORT defrauded the institutions that loaned money
    on these properties so that they would lend him more money at more favorable rates than he would
    otherwise be able to obtain.

    5. GATES aided MANAFORT in obtaining money from these offshore accounts, which he
    was instrumental in opening. Like MANAFORT, GATES used money from these offshore
    accounts to pay for his personal expenses, including his mortgage, children’s tuition, prostitutes from several high-end escort firms in the area, cocaine, NFL tickets for friends, plastic surgery, hair augmentation, steroids, new cars, concert tickets, signed sports paraphernalia and interior decorating of his Virginia residence.

    In other words, he went Full Bilzerian.

    In the appendix, it shows all the receipts. Manafort was a fan of rugs, and not just the one on his head. This dude loaded up on Oriental Rugs. I mean he LOADED THE HELL UP. Maybe 25-30 rugs, each of which was 5 figures.

    • It’s all part of the plan

      lol, #4 kind of sounds like money laundering. #5 sounds like the screenplay written by Dan Bilzerian about a fictional character named Stan Blizarian.

    • 7source7

      Hey Mr. Janitor, I thought I would point out to you that this is da Bears blog, can you take your political blathering to Huffpo? Folks come here for football discussion. You can celebrate a tax evasion charge there among like minded folk.

      • It’s all part of the plan

        haha, I don’t know man, this looks like it’s going to get saucy.

        • willbest

          It looks like run of the mill connected political insider millionaire shit. The type of thing that would get you or I 20 odd year in pound you in the ass prison but for which this guy gets holed up in a country club for 24 months. That won’t be enough for him to turn on anybody.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            And the beat goes on.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            We will just have to see what happens.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            The best thing we can hope for is complete gridlock in Washington.

          • willbest

            Trump has done nothing to provide me with any indication that he is going to get fewer votes (or fewer states) than he did in 2016. And I know I get accused of being his cockholster or whatever, but I called Trump winning this thing 16 months out just because I saw him doing very well in the midwest (which he subsequently did). And I backed up my assertion with a bet.

            Now add to this that the white upper middle class voted for hillary because they perceived a Trump presidency as scary. Well it won’t be scary in 2020.

            Quite frankly unless the Democrats run Oprah, they don’t really have a play to make barring Trump shitting all over his own base (which is admittedly not out of the question) or some 2008 meltdown (also a possibility because lets face it Wall Street will do anything in order to maintain its stranglehold).

            As an asside, Trump is to the left of Bill Clinton circa 92, so I don’t know what you mean by centrist democrat. Unless of course you are referring to mindsets which isn’t so much left-right as it is internal-external. Quite frankly, I like that Trump isn’t a neo-con the way hillary is. I would like it a little better if he didn’t surround himself with so many neo-cons. That was Obama’s problem too. And I think it lead to a rather incoherent foreign policy. I am not holding out any hope that Trump’s will be all that much better in that regard for pretty much the same reason.

      • EnderWiggin

        Hey new person, I would like to point out that this is Da Bears Blog. Everything goes.

      • evantonio

        you don’t read much around here, huh?

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          I’m with him. Bring anything but politics. Boobs, booze, aliens, Bears. It’s all good. But politics? Nothing but a fight brewing between opposite ends of the spectrum. For the rest of us that live somewhere in the middle knowing they’re all gigantic assholes, it’s tiresome and it never ends.

          • evantonio

            that’s all well and good, but he worded his words as if he was shocked to see a political note scribbled in the comment section. that’s why i worded my words to ask if he did much reading around these parts.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Word

      • leftcoastdave

        Hey, I have no problem with it as long as he mentions that it was Clinton Cash behind the “hookers peeing” so called dosier that Comey tried to turn into his JEdgar lifetime employment card.

        Remember when the Prez said about Mueller’s pressure tactics that he (the Prez) had the power of the pardon?

        By the way, who was that woman who stayed in prison rather than tell the truth about the Whitewater scam?

      • Corn Pop Janitor

        The indictment had NFL tickets in it, so I totally brought it back around.

        • It’s all part of the plan

          Imagine that Gates is a dude that loves lists and budgets. His money is tight so he knows where every dollar goes. haha, here’s a sample of a list he left his wife to pay with the laundered funds when he had to go on a quick last minute business trip:

          Honey, please remember to pay:
          1. The mortgage, I just finished up a refinance and we chopped 6 yrs off of our schedule!!
          2. The Children’s tuition, Timmy’s teacher said he’s been doing great in social studies!
          3. Prostitutes from several high-end escort firms in the area, give that to Stephen as he can make it a biz write off for massages or something
          4. cocaine, I definitely need more cocaine
          5. NFL tickets for friends, NOT the Cleveland game! Make sure the tickets are by the bathrooms this time.
          6. plastic surgery, self explanatory
          7. hair augmentation, not Manaforts guy, he looks like a young Liberace
          8. steroids, I’m focused on really getting pumped up this year
          9. new cars, get yourself a Cayenne like the other used up ex mistresses do
          10. concert tickets, maybe a boy band reunion tour? nothing too gay though, Manafort will insist on rubbing his rug on their face again.
          11. signed sports paraphernalia, it’s Russian womens hockey but there is a fetish market for it, trust me.
          12. interior decorating of the Virginia residence, it’s just dated, no you did a good job designing it….no, it’s fine, it looks good, babe, just keep it the way it is then…..jesus, keep it the way it is….or fuck it, do whatever you want. who paints a wall fuscia?

  • SC Dave

    From one hour ago:

    ‘Fox on status of Zach Miller: “He’s got a good pulse and good feeling in his foot, not to say he’s out of the woods but it’s as good as could be expected.”‘

    • BearDown100393

      The news could be a lot worse.

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  • It’s all part of the plan

    when I lose in heartbreaking fashion to Butch in fantasy later tonight I want you all to know it’s because I believed in Trubisky and Cohen…..and it is going bite me in the assflesh as a result.

    I could have played Kamara against our boys. I went with my heart instead of my gut.

    • BearDown100393

      You should know better.

    • Hey, I sat Micheal Thomas for Pierrer fucking Garcon cuz of homerism.

      So one of us is losing for being a homer.

      That being said, Broncos D + 19 point head start -Vs- Smith-Hunt.

      That’s almost literally head-to-head.

      8 game win streak, c’mon baby!

  • WP4Life

    Just re-watched game.
    IMO.
    3rd qtr first 2 drives play-calling was pretty bad
    #37 missed tackles led to 1st aint TD and I believe the 2nd td.

    Def: After giving up TD, I think sacked Brees on 3rd down in the next 2 series! Takeaways at the end are exceptional.

    TRUB:
    I thought he played well (I don’t recall an announcer stating as much as Spielman than the receivers are getting no separation).
    Yes, 10 missed throws – appears 29 jumped early on missed crossing pattern on one, so did Bree’s Camera showed Brees was pissed about one on the sideline.

    Impressed with how 10 kept battling to get us the W.

    11 point swing:
    (4) Fuller – neutral zone infraction – I am not sure he was breaking the plane of the ball.
    (4) Millers non call TD
    (3)BARF

    It is exciting again to watch the Da Bears; to me the Arrow is pointing up.

    Curious – as to what those who watch all 22 think.

  • In the 4 games since Trubisky became the starting QB, here’s Chicago’s run/pass splits by down:

    1st down: 68 called runs, 29 called passes (passes + sacks + scrambles); 70% run
    2nd down: 47 called runs, 30 called passes; 61% runs (if you look only at 2nd and <10 yards to go, that changes to 36 runs and 11 called passes, 77%)
    3rd/4th down: 10 called runs, 46 called passes; 18% runs

    Basically, they're running 75% of the time unless they are in a situation when they have to throw. That's a TERRIBLE way to run an offense.

    • On 1st downs, Trubisky is completing 52% of his passes for 9.2 yards per attempt, is sacked 7% of the time, and scrambles 14% of the time. 14% of those called pass plays come behind the chains (15+ yards to a 1st).

      On 2nd downs: 42% completion, 3.2 yards per attempt, 7% sacks, 10% scramble, 62% behind the chains (10+ yards to a 1st).

      On 3rd/4th downs: 50% completion, 6.8 yards per attempt, 15% sacks, 19% scramble, 77% behind the chains (5+ yards to a 1st).

      Look at how much the sack/scramble jump on 3rd/4th down. That’s because he keeps throwing when teams know it’s coming.

      • willbest

        Even when he throws when teams don’t know its coming he has stats that would get him benched.

        • WP4Life

          On what team; 3 qbs on Bears.

          On 1st down (and any down to me) #10 stats are light years ahead of 8. 8 is almost unwatchable.

    • CanadaBear

      I know most of this is on Foxy but those WR’s are hideous. Sims needs to step up and Shaheen needs to start producing. Hopefully the new guy helps.

      • You can help a bit by making the offense less predictable. Trubisky’s YPA is over 9 on 1st down just because they never expect him to throw.

        • willbest

          Data I am disappointed in you. You know that is being skewed by a couple monster completions and your sample size is too small to make anything of that.

          • WP4Life

            Which is it: Data is skewed (small sample size) or “Even when he throws when teams don’t know its coming he has stats that would get him benched.”

            In re-watching the game today – Given the flow or lack of flow on offense #10 had some 3rd down plays that allowed us to compete toe to toe with the Aints.

            I’m summarizing you don’t like #10? To me, he is the best qb we have, and seems to have a good amount of talent. #10 makes it exciting to watch the O again.

          • willbest

            You do realize its 2 different things? I am evaluating his play in total. And using my eyes to see how slowly he moves through his progressions and how inaccurate his throws are, even when he isn’t under pressure. So its not just looking at his completion percentage over 80 attempts (106 if you count sacks and runs).

            Wood is looking at 27 data points. There is going to be too much noise to get any sense of anything when your sample size is that small.

          • It’s definitely a small sample size. And he’s definitely struggling going through progressions and with accuracy right now (both of which have been strengths for his film until this point, which continues to make me think the coaches are not coaching him properly and are making him overanalyze things for fear of a mistake instead of letting him play, but I digress).

            But that doesn’t change the point that running on 1st down as much as they have is not being terribly effective, while passing on 1st down has yielded some decent results (likely because teams are not expecting it). All those short runs into stacked boxes are consistently putting them in 3rd and long (2/3 of 3rd downs need 7+ yards for a conversion), which is putting the offense in position to fail.

            They need to become less predictable. That starts on 1st and 2nd down.

          • 10 of 27 called 1st down pass plays have gone for 8+ yards.

            There’s always skew from a few big plays (a 70 yarder and 45 yarder in this case), and Trubisky’s completion percentage is low (52% on 1st down).

            But when 1/3 of your 1st down runs pick up 1 yard or less, I’m ok with half your passes being incomplete if you’re able to pick up a number of big plays to go along with it.

      • BerwynBomber

        Don’t forget my guy Daniel Brown. He’s a good scrap heap guy. Soft hands from what he showed last year.

        • CanadaBear

          There was a Daniel Brown siting yesterday. That’s what made me think of Shaheen. He should be getting more reps than Brown based on athletic ability. Hopefully it starts to show in practice so he can get his butt on the field.

          • Brown got 16 snaps after Miller went down. Shaheen got the same 19 as last week, although that’s actually a much lower percentage since they ran 60+ plays this week and only 38 last week.

            When Miller went down, they went with Brown in his spot and kept Shaheen as the #3, basically only in for running plays.

    • BerwynBomber

      When you have a Clydesdale like Howard and he is averaging 4 yards a pop it is more conservative than terrible.

      • It’s all part of the plan

        I know this will sound ungrateful but isn’t Howard just another A Train? I mean, I’m watching other running backs and I’m thinking that they would gain way more yards with the same holes and opportunities.

        • Corn Pop Janitor

          Anthony Thomas. Ha.

          Go fish up that Marty Booker jersey you got in the closet that smells like BO and stale beer.

        • I consider myself something of a HB connoisseur.

          I would say Howard is a B+ HB.

          Any “B” HB needs holes, in other words, a decent Oline/scheme.

          They tend to be more dependent on them than say “A” HBs who you can drop into scheme with practically any Oline and still gain yds.

          Not many “A” HBs.

          In no particular order.

          Bell, Zeke, David Johnson (when not inj), Gurley, Gordon, McCoy.

          Hunt and Fournette still need a bit more snaps, but looking like they are.

          The rest are “B” and below.

          That being said, Howard is not a “C” (JAG) either.

          For instance, Howard still edges out dudes like CJ Anderson, Blount, Gore, Jonathan Stewart, etc.

          Howard has good feet for a big man. Shows patience and vision. And again for a big guy, can accelerate and knock over defender. He rarely goes down at first contact, and am rather sure he is close to tops in YAC . He can also pick up the blitz or chip.

          That being said, what keeps him from the “A”

          – Lacks elite speed
          – Lacks elite agility
          – Lacks elite burst
          – Lacks hands
          – Lacks route running

          This will always cap his ceiling, and in some ways, handicap the O because when he’s out there, Ds will never have to worry about wheel routes, screens, draws, reverses, 90 yd runs,back side contain (to a point), and maybe even read-option and shotgun runs (Howard more of an I-formation runner who takes a few yds to get going).

          For these reasons, I wouldn’t mind at all if Pace did just keep drafting HBs in the 4rth.

          Given the turnover and grind at the position, think that would just be smart.
          Never know when you can find a Hunt or Arian Fosters – true 3rd down backs who can open up the playbook.

          • CanadaBear

            Howard’s hands/route running will get better. How much better is the question. He really worked on his body in the off season. Maybe this winter he takes on the hands/acceleration issues. Forte got faster for a few seasons after working on it. Who knows? In a balanced offense with a more experienced QB and actual NFL WR’s, Howard would be getting his yards.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He dropped 1/4 of the balls thrown at him last year C-Bear. That’s a lot. I think he led the league. Looks where he’s running.

          • SC Dave

            I was hoping the eye surgery would help more than it seems to have.

          • SC Dave

            I wouldn’t hurt if the QB threw the ball in the right place. Both of the plays so criticized here (yes, they were drops) were plays that should have been walk in TDs with the ball thrown in the proper place.

            Trubisky has demonstrated *very* spotty accuracy. Certainly, you could not argue that the pass yesterday was a good throw. Howard had to run backwards to get his hands on it.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            LOL. He’s last year’s #2 as a rook and currently #4 and a flaming red cunt hair shy of #3. He’s doing that, as everybody on here has whines away about, into stacked boxes, all game, every game. He’s doing that without the use of a polished QB or professional receivers. And he gets a B+?!!

            Your calibration needs recalibrating Butch.

          • CanadaBear

            But he’s a common sewer of RB’s (Butch, that is)!!!!!!!!

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            So I hear. So I hear…..

          • It’s all relative.

            You wouldn’t take any of those “A” backs over Howard?

            I think any of those dudes would’ve strolled into the endzone on that pass last game.

            And that goaline pass the first game Howard dropped.

            That might be two extra wins just on those two plays alone.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            And the other guys might not be getting the yards he is on the ground without the complete offenses they play in.

            If you’re #2 in the NFL at your position in the NFL, you get an A in my book.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So you have him on a par with Dickerson, Allen, Jackson, Sanders, Payton ….

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            That’s some curve you’re grading on. So you have to be HOF to get an A?

          • Irish Sweetness

            No breakaway speed though. He can get clear, but not pull away. So I’d agree on the B+. You start giving out As and then what? Is he Bo Jackson? Earl Campbell? etc.? No, he’s not. He gets you 5 yards. A long one for him is 20+.

          • WP4Life

            Of your backs, who would have Howards numbers if on the Bears:

            Bell, Zeke, David Johnson (when not inj), Gurley, Gordon, McCoy.

            I say only Bell.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            Yes?

          • BerwynBomber

            Zeke would too. I loath DAL but Elliot is basically Howard with better speed.

          • willbest

            And hands.

          • BerwynBomber

            True.

          • Irish Sweetness

            All bar perhaps, Gordon and McCoy.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’s great til he hits the secondary, and then he starts looking around for contact so he can go down. Melvin Gordon took one for 87 yards on Sunday. Jordan will never do that, just hasn’t got the gas (shrugs). He is what he is – he’s real good at getting you five.

          That’s why I was after Fournette. You ride a guy like that, then you bring in Howard to spell him. Then you could run 60% of the time no problem.

          Trade deadline tomorrow. Baltimore have a couple backs we could use.

        • BerwynBomber

          Wasn’t A-Train dinged up a lot? I also don’t remember him being the beast that Howard is after initial contact. Not that A-Train was a puss, but Howard was second in the entire league last year in yards after initial contact.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        His 4 yard average only comes when he breaks one for 50. otherwise he has been pretty pedestrian the last couple games.

        • BerwynBomber

          That’s right. I forgot. We don’t count long runs on here when figuring averages.

          What’s the cutoff for length of run to be eligible when determining YPC? > 20 yards?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am not saying that they should not count. But when a RB runs 22 times and only gains 52 yards. That is not a lot of production, especially when we generally run it on 1st and 2nd downs. That is way less than 3 yards a carry, and leaves us in 3rd and long situations. Sure throw in the 50 yarder and yes his average looks pretty good. But we are too predictable on running and our banged up OLine is not getting the holes. Which in turn forces us into known passing situations.

            I like Howard and I think he is a great back, I just don’t think playcalling is helping out much. Wearing down the D by running is great, but there are times thing have to change.

          • YPC are always tricky though.

            For instance, Bell isn’t facing 8 man boxes.
            Neither are Hunt, or Zeke. All them have better OCs, outside weapons to keep S out of the box.

            Look at Gurley last yr when he had to face 8 man boxes all yr

            2015: 4.8
            2016. 3.2
            2017: 4.3

            Gurley didn’t suddenly suck, just everything around him (which mirrors almost exactly what Howard is going through this yr).

            And I consider Gurley superior, so IMO, what Howard is doing this yr should be considered in that context (and let’s not forget for like 4 games he was playing with one shoulder).

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I think the Gurley comparison is spot on. And YPC don’t tell the whole story.

          • BerwynBomber

            YPC isn’t tricky. It is straightforward.

            This idea that fifty yard runs don’t count (or are misleading) is mindless. It’s like not counting a D’s TOs because they occur too infrequently.

          • YPC is tricky. See Gurley 2016.

            If you go strictly by YPC and not account for other factors, then one may falsely conclude he is no better than other 3.2YPC backs, when the eyes says otherwise.

          • BerwynBomber

            It’s not tricky. It’s a very simple average. If you want to contextualize it, that is another thing entirely.

            Just as if I said Howard’s YPC is even more impressive given our weak QB play the first eight games.

            But is YPC is his YPC. As was Gurley’s.

          • I think we’re arguing two diff things here.

            If you’re stating that it’s a straightforward data point, then yes, it’s rather simple like completion %.

            If you’re arguing that it’s a straightforward method to judge a HB, then yeah, I disagree.

          • BerwynBomber

            Then basically you would be throwing out the YPC of all top RBs. Even HoF RBs.

            Will you also re-adjust Trubisky’s YPA in regard to any long pass completion?

          • willbest

            preach!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            All I am saying is that this year, I would like to see more consistency in the running game. The running game has not been consistent this year, and that is due to running straight into the gut of 8-9 man fronts. I would rather have the guy that runs 4 yards every rush and not have to rely on the big play.

            Let me go a little extreme. RB consistently runs 25 times a game, 24 rushes he gets 25 yards, yet he has 1 play for 75 every game. That RB is averaging 4 yards a carry. Do you want that RB on your team? 96% of the time he is not doing a damn thing to really help the team. Are you going to ask that RB to run it on a 3rd and 3 when it is desperately needed? If I only look at his YPC then YES, but if I look at his probability of gaining 3 yards on any given play, then NO, because he is not getting that 4 yard average consistently. I am not discounting the value of the long run, I am putting it into the context of the game. This also tells me that there is something wrong with either the RB, OLine, or play calling.

            In our case, I don’t believe the issue is the RB. But the OLine is not consistently opening holes, and too many times our RBs have been hit in the backfield. Then throw in the play calling for constantly running into 8-9 man boxes.

            Last year Howard seemed more consistent throughout the game not relying on the big plays to get his average.

          • Of Chicago’s 68 1st down runs in Trubisky’s games, 20 of them have gained 1 yard or less. 12 have lost yardage.

          • BerwynBomber

            But what is our first down yard average and how does it relate to the rest of the league.
            I suspect it will be low given our QB performance but it would be more telling than a minority of negative plays.

          • This was looking only at called runs, so Howard, Cohen, or Cunningham carrying. Trubisky runs (and sacks) were grouped into called pass plays, along with his pass attempts.

    • Against NO, I think the announcer mentioned that seven 3rd downs were 3rd and 10+ (and I think they got another).

      (Can we somehow verify this?)

      No matter what the personnel or philosophy, that’s not a sustainable model for any O.

      • 35/52 3rd downs with Trubisky under center have been needing 7+ yards, with 21 of those needing 11+. Only 4 needing 1-2.

        Full workup coming sometime over the bye. I just wrote it all up and am fucking furious right now.

    • BearDown100393

      What was the split with Giraffe?

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        I’d be curious what the split is amongst the top dozen or so offenses also. It’d be helpful to understand the level of debacle we’re taking about

    • Bear Instincts

      John Fox football 101

    • madscout12

      Been trying to say this for awhile here. What I don’t understand is, how is that low risk conservative ball? If you only ask your rookie to throw on 3rd and long, and you put him in 3rd and long a lot, you are just making risky PAs on every drive. You’d be less risky by running on 3rd and long and punting. It is amazing Tru has 2 INTs and 2 fumbles with those numbers.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    The DVR feed of the game I have has the one – and will be the ONLY time they show it so if you have it that’s the last time you will see that – video of the Miller leg. Since I use VUE I called it up on my smartphone.

    Jesus mother Mary.

    That was horrid. He is in a very long stride, and as the left leg plants it kicks out at the knee at a 45 degree angle as he lands on it, 45 degrees to the SIDE – as in perpendicular to the way a knee bends.

    That goes alongside the Johnny Knox back breaker as the worst thing I’ve seen in a Bears game. Joe Theisman’s video is nothing compared to that.

    • It’s all part of the plan

      I was thinking about it and I’m surprised that it doesn’t happen more often. Imagine going up for the ball or coming down super hard on a planted foot and imagine that the balance is off…..

      • Corn Pop Janitor

        The “bobble” is bullshit. The guy literally had his knee explode on him and the ball slides off his body to the cradle of his arm. Never even comes close to the ground.

        • It’s all part of the plan

          that’s when I turned the game off. If the league micro manages the instant replay down to a frame by frame shot and still fucks it up yet can’t find a way to quickly replay bang bang collisions that they always fuck up then it makes it really hard to watch. Every big play is a penalty. Every dropped pass is a penalty. Thank god for tiki drinks.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I actually went to NFL.com and filed a complaint email with the league on how they royally fucked up that call.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            technically if you read the fine print the NFL has nothing to do with NFL.com so you basically made a really good point to a Pakistani junior systems analyst who was checking the billing section glitch that everyone had been bitching about.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            lol, damn you are right. Oh well, it made me feel better at the time. I hope that junior analyst will pass along my advice to the appropriate people on how to remove a head from an ass.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            I’m sure they will get it to a local manager….who will subsequently be involved in a pre-scheduled gang rape of a tourist in Lahore and therefore be unable to forward your complaint to the league office.

          • Bender McLugh

            Signed, Da Blog?

          • CanadaBear

            Some of the officiating crews let them play for the most part. Unfortunately there needs to be a lot more of them.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            I watched Miller give his career to make that catch and they can’t even call the TD right? I couldn’t keep watching.

          • CanadaBear

            I totally understand. I get pretty baked before kickoff so I don’t have an aneurysm.

          • Malice Halice

            On my soul!

        • CanadaBear

          It reminded me of the Megatron TD that wasn’t a TD against the Bears years ago. This shit isn’t that hard to get correct most of the time. That was just fucked.

          • I feel like it can easily get corrected too.

            If a receiver holds on to the catch for 3 Mississippi (or alligators), then it’s a CATCH.

            Simple.

            I know they would then review “hold on” but that’s a lot less debatable and less likely to be overturned.

          • CanadaBear

            That “process of the catch” shit should end once they are down and touched. Both calls were utter bullshit. Even when the Bears won the game on the bad call, I always felt that one was tainted.

          • Agree. It just felt wrong.

            Never should win on a technicality.

    • That was NASTY, and even worse, the NFL overturned the TD, which made Fox HAVE to replay it a few more times while trying to remain “objective” – focusing on the catch and not his leg snapping the wrong way.

      Thankfully, on the replays, they zoomed out, but it was hard for me to even look at them knowing that leg dangled afterwards.

      Brutal.

      AND HE STILL CAUGHT IT. Warrior.

    • Bender McLugh

      Yea, saw the live broadcast and rewound to see the catch & his leg just……oye, I was not prepared

  • FF

    Wow. Artoo and Shady are battling for that last playoff spot – but I’m pretty sure Shady forgot the Vikes were playing in England and forgot to put Keenum in before the game began. Oops.

    Either way, Artoo likely wins with Hopkins blowing up for 43.

    Holy shit.

    And Fuller blow up for like 34.

    Wow.

    Against the SEA, no less.

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky

    So is McBride legit? Or just a flukey day?

    I wasn’t able to watch the game, but that stat line is eye popping.

    • He seems like a legit possession WR.

      6’0 210. Not terribly fast or ‘twitchy’.

      But looked like he ran good routes, and more importantly, caught balls.

      targeted 5 times. Caught 3 .a 45 yder off misdirection and two 3rd down conversions.

      If McBride can be a 3rd down chainmover, that should go a long way.

      He doesn’t show the upside of Cam or Inman, but Bears need a possession WR anyways.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dontrelle outside, Tre and Kendall will be it, for better or for worse.

        • willbest

          Next year? It could be anybody next year. The only WR I expect to make the roster will be Meredith assuming he can pass the physical.

    • Bender McLugh

      he’s got the tools from what I’ve seen, his separation may need some work tho. I wonder why Trubs doesn’t throw to him more but have no idea how many plays he’s in on.

    • willbest

      He bailed Trubisky out on at least one of his catches. I don’t know if he is legit, but its definitely something he can build on.

      • SC Dave

        I was not impressed with his blocking. But I don’t remember him dropping anything.

  • Hope over the bye someone sends Birdcage tape of Chris Thompson, Tyreek HIll and Kamura.

    Give him some ideas about Cohen.

    As for O, study the shit out of the Eagles, Chiefs and Texans.

    Trub can incorporate a lot of those concepts to revive the O.

  • Malice Halice

    Seriously, fuck da 9ers. So instead of pawning him off to Cleveland for a 1st rounder or more. They let him go to SF for just a 2nd?! Wtf

    • Sactowns#1

      Niners played the long game while Pace was playing checkers.

      • Malice Halice

        Seriously man. Our office staff is embarrassing, n NOW lynch looks like he may have tricked Pace cuz he (lynch) got a qb that’s definitely more NFL ready than MT10

        • Sactowns#1

          Yup. Pathetic

        • they have to pay him right away. Biggest advantage of draft is you get 4 years of paying him less than 1/4 of what a veteran starter makes.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            And did Belichick really just let go of a true starter when Brady is nearing the end of his career? My money is on “not likely”.

          • I’m not so sure about that. They held on for a long time. I think they decided to commit to Brady for another 3 years, so get what they can for Jimmy G before losing him for nothing and invest another high pick in a QB to hopefully be the next Jimmy G.

            I’m curious to see what he becomes. Shanahan in SF is a good landing spot.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Makes more sense

      • willbest

        Is foster or thomas in the running for DROY? I can’t really say either has done a whole lot at the top of the draft.

  • Sactowns#1

    And now the Niners get Jimmy G for a song. The Niners look like the worse team this year but their front office looks like the much more competent bunch.

    • For a 2nd rounder. Not shabby.

      Wonder why the Browns didn’t do that, or if Jimmy G said, “Anyone but Browns”

      • Malice Halice

        The latter for damn sure!

      • willbest

        Not just a second rounder. An 0-8 teams second rounder.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        I wonder why Belichick let him go. Brissett too. So what’s Bill’s plan with old man Brady on a short clock? Do they even have QBs left?

        • willbest

          Brissett isn’t the guy. The Pats knew they weren’t going to pay G the $15-20 million in guarantees somebody else will. 9ers basically traded the 34th pick overall to get an extended workout and trial session with him. This seems odd considering they will have their pick of any QB in the league.

        • BerwynBomber

          Brady’s been durable except for that one knee injury. I presume they will draft a rookie this year. Who knows? Maybe they already have some mid-major guy they suspect will be available when they’re on the clock.

          Keep an eye on Logan Woodside. I watched a few of TOL games last year. Woodside is accurate and sees a lot of the field. Big question marks will be height and arm strength.

    • willbest

      Really the 33rd or 34th overall pick is a song?

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      I’ve read this sentiment in more than one place and find it comical.

      Pace gets buried right here, on this blog, for not rebuilding well enough or fast enough. He’s not winning enough games quickly enough.

      And yet, Lynch, who is just a year behind Pace, went 2-14 last year, 0-8 thus far this year, just gave up a very high pick for an unproven quarterback due a contract in the offseason, and he’s a genius.

      Meanwhile, Pace has very steadily built an excellent defense and may have the initial building blocks for the offense in place. (Or maybe not)

      There’s a particular syndrome that goes with the collective Bears fan base.

  • SEA get themselves a franchise LT. Winners win.

    “The Texans and Seahawks traded disgruntled players as Houston gets veteran cornerback Jeremy Lane, a fifth-round pick in 2018 and a second-round pick in 2019 in return for offensive tackle Duane Brown, via multiple reports.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/30/texans-get-jeremy-lane-two-draft-picks-for-duane-brown/

  • BerwynBomber

    Nice to see a couple of decent size trades.

    If Goodell wants to improve/grow the game, that would be a non-controversial way to do it. Increase both in-season and offseason trades. How that would be incentivized I have no idea. But the NFL’s trades seem generally far behind those of the other big four sports.

    • willbest

      Well the 9ers got Jimmy G, and the Pats got the 33rd or 34th pick. Personally, I think Hoodie just swindled them. Unless, he really does have confidence that Brady is going to play 3 more years.

      I am surprised the Texans have given up playoff aspirations so quickly. AFCS is up for grabs. Unless they have that much confidence in their backup swing tackle.

      • BerwynBomber

        I would not read the Texans trade completely like that. Brown was pretty disgruntled, IIRC. There might have been some addition-by-subtraction calculation to the move.

      • The Texans had Brown for all of 1 game so far this year. He was holding out for a new contract.

        • willbest

          ah that explains it.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    I’d like to congratulate the programming team at TBS for reviving Wink Martindale’s The Joker’s Wild game show and making Snoop Dogg the host.

    That’s some SNL level crazy right there.

    • CanadaBear

      Pretty sure Snoop would do almost anything to stay popular.

  • Corn Pop Janitor
    • willbest

      So Trump does something right as president after all?

    • Malice Halice

      Isn’t Jerry Jones responsible for the commissioner stepping down during the Hershall Walker trade?

  • beninnorcal

    Jamal Charles still playing for the Chiefs apparently

    • Malice Halice

      Like Gomer Pile n da Bucs game!

  • Malice Halice

    Peters just STRIPPED da shit outta J.charles n ran it back. Savage

    • So much for the “revenge” narrative

      • Malice Halice

        I find it so bizarre that when they say shit like that, the exact opposite happens. He was running angry up till dat point.

  • I wonder if Elways tries for Eli after this game.

    What would Eli be worth? a 2nd?

    A 3rd?

    • BerwynBomber

      I wonder if JAX tries for Eli.

      Eli and Coughlin have a little history.

      • I can see with the Coughlin connection, but they’re a younger team.

        THey prolly see their window longer, like next 5 yrs, whereas Donkeys probably think next 2-3 yrs.

        If Jimmy G went for a 2nd, maybe a 3rd and 5th (conditional) for Eli who has maybe 2-3 yrs left.

        I don’t know why the Jags didn’t go for Jimmy.

        If they keep winning in spite of Bortles, they’ll be nowhere near getting a top 3 QB next draft.

        • willbest

          As bad as it was to pay Glennon $18 million, I would rather do that than give up the 33rd pick in the NFL draft. Pats had no intention of paying G what some team like the Bears or Texans did. That alone should tell you all you need to know about that.

          • So you’d rather draft Shaheen (or Buddha Baker) over taking a chance on Jimmy G?

          • willbest

            Shaheen seems like he was way over drafted. I wouldn’t have mind taking Baker. But that was back when the Pats wanted a 1st. They are taking a 2nd because G is effectively a free agent in 9 weeks.

      • Malice Halice

        That’s true but I’m sure Eli wants a ring not just a job so I can see him going to Mile High instead. But the Jags r lookin a weebit scrumptious

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I doubt it. My guess is they make a run at Brees this offseason.

    • BerwynBomber

      Elway might pursue Cousins.

      Remember, the JimmyG move just eliminated the whole Cousins/Shanny narrative that had been running for nearly a year.

  • BearDown100393

    JWebb now going by Watson alias?

  • Malice Halice

    So r the offensive woes in Denver to be blamed on the Qb, coaching, or da GM? They look quite horrible 2nite

  • BuddhaJoe

    What the fuck, are people really dogging Pace because he wasnt dumb enough to trade for the Garrapolo fools gold? That’s beyond stupid. If he was really that good they wouldnt have let him go, especially for one 2nd. Unless you think the bottom dwelling 49ers actually “fleeced” Bill Fucking Belichick, but thinking that be even dumber.

    • Malice Halice

      Nobody knows Jimmy G yet. I’m lookin at JG da same way I did Brock as a bronco, UNPROVEN. For the situation we were in the prior offseason no way in hell would we pay up for him. But given the fact 9ers was willing to wait by gettin bridge qb’s in without payin 18mil and getting lucky enough to get a competent qb (so far) for a 2nd is quite impressive. Pace tried the more expensive/uncanny route but Lynch is lookin like a decent GM so far tho. That DEMAND change!

    • Fans have certain QBs they believe in.

      Some liked Tyrod. Some liked Watson. Some liked Trub. Some liked Jimmy G.

      If you believe in Jimmy G, then a 2nd, even a high one, is much cheaper than what we gave up for Trub.

      Some believed in Watson, and again, staying put at #3 still cheaper than going up for Trub.

      Just depends on what QB a person puts his faith in.

      in 2 yrs all this will be sorted out.

      • willbest

        I think Tyrod and Cousins are the two most underrated QB’s in the NFL.

        • I like Tyrod over Cousins, but it’s close.

          I wonder what happens to Cousins now.

          Foreskins seem hot-cold with him, but which team will he want to join?

          I think most QBs with a choice will avoid the Browns or Jets like the plague.

          Jags-Broncos move up to the top.

          • willbest

            I think you are right about his potential partners.

            Tyrod better have shot his agent. I can’t believe he gave money away. He should have had more faith in himself.

          • Bear Instincts

            Jaguars trade for Cousins

        • BerwynBomber

          I’d argue Wilson is, but yes, Taylor is better than people know.

          I kinda sense Cousins is a known quality.

          • willbest

            Wilson was the first couple years. People looked at him as a running QB putting up 200 yards through the air while getting another 40 on the ground. His game has evolved and he has been over 250 yards a season. Last year he was hobbled with a foot injury but he is back on pace for getting 400-500 on the ground to go with the 4k in the air. Barring injury, I expect him to win another SB and go to canton.

    • willbest

      G looked like a starting NFL QB for 1.75 games before his shoulder went out. That is his positives.

      The negatives are
      1) he sat behind brady for 2 years learning from some of the best offensive minds in football
      2) Hoodie/McDaniels know how to tailor a gameplan to the strengths of a QB while avoiding his weaknesses.
      3) No defenses had tape on G to study him

      • WP4Life

        Any idea what G costing them per year?

        • willbest

          G is on the last year of a rookie contract, he is probably making near league min. So whats that half of $750k?

          What they pay him next year. I suppose that depends on what he does in relief of Brian Hoyer. If he plays like an NFL QB I gather they will be forced to franchise him for $22 million

          • WP4Life

            Thanks.

  • Oh I’m def watching the 30 for 30 on Rick Flair.

    Whoooh!

  • BearDown100393

    Stop assigning rookies to handle punts and kick returns.

  • BerwynBomber

    Good lord DEN. This is not a game where you can afford dropping TD passes from Semien.

    • Horrible drop. Could’ve cut lead to 10.

      I’m noticing some Trub traits in Siemian.

      He’s reluctant to run looking for the pass. Sometimes it pays (like it should’ve right now)

      Sometimes it doesn’t like when he passed on an easy 1st if he just had ran for it.

  • Zeke suspended (again).

    Time to dust off my Alfred Morris

  • WP4Life

    Soon enough Bears and Fudge both to be 4 and 5.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      I look forward to watching Brett Hundley run for his life. Maybe we’ll even get to see Joe Callahan before the game is done.

      • BerwynBomber

        Although running might be Hundley’s only skill in the NFL.

        Could be fun to see McCarthy, Capers and Thompson get exposed as mediocre.

        Think I saw somewhere that since Rodgers became their starter the Cheese are 2-10-1 in games he missed. And that is not even counting the Shea sack game or the game against MIN a couple of weeks ago, both of which Rodgers didn’t even complete the first quarter of.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          That’s an insane stat. It’s amazing that one player is worth that WAR # in the ultimate team game.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I doubt there is another veteran QB in the league that would be so true of.

            Brees maybe? But Brees doesn’t put up the W’s that Rodgers does. Wilson? But SEA’s D (most years) could probably patch together near .500 ball with a back-up.

            Maybe Wentz of the young guys? Heck, even a guy like Newton is beginning to look like he’s carried more by their D than they are by him.

  • I’ll tell you this much.

    IF the Chiefs can’t stop the anemic Donk O at home, they’re not winning in the playoffs.

    • willbest

      Did they suffer an injury? I know they lost Berry, but they looked legit even with him gone. Then all of a sudden they turned.

      • I think they suffered a few other than Berry, but can’t remember off the top of my head.

        But they still have Houston, Dee Ford , Derrick Johnson and Marcus Peters

        Dunno why their D is soft suddenly.

    • WP4Life

      Donk smashed cowgirls earlier this year with zeke. Super cold and hot.

      • No, the Chief’s D is soft suddenly.

        The Donk D is still legit given their suck ass O.

        Their D is in the same boat as ours. Out on the field too long cuz of a cuck O.

    • BerwynBomber

      I wonder too how good Smith will look once the weather turns cold and the competition is dialed up a notch or two. He did play exceptionally in that one playoff loss at Indy a few years back but that was a dome.

  • willbest
  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Kansas City putting on a show. Elway has botched this quarterback thing something awful since Peyton left.”

    But it is really only Paxton Lynch that he botched, right? Siemen was always a crap shoot and they didn’t pay Oz.

    Elway got them a ring with the worst QB in the league. So I’d give him a pass for a few years, but yeah, they’ll be in the QB market in the offseason.

    • willbest

      I don’t follow that either

      2015 – peyton died, Oz did not look awful in relief, maybe something to build on.

      2016 – Elway was going to offer Oz a lot of money which in hindsight was a bad idea, but he lucked out because Houston outbid him. He drafts a raw prospect in Lynch (giving up his late 3rd round pick in the process) and brings in Sanchez to go with a 7th round flier he picked up the year before in Siemian. Siemian shows some promise and he decides to ride with somebody who might be the team’s future instead of the stop gap.

      2017 – Elway passed on Cutler, Glennon, McCown, Hoyer and decided to run with his raw QB prospect (Lynch) from the year before, and a guy (Siemian) who demonstrated he is at least an NFL backup QB. He also gets Oz back.

      Now he could have gone up for Mahomes or Watson since Houston and KC leapfroged them. But he already committed to Lynch. So really he missed on a QB. That is something that happens. What’s EJ Manuel doing these days? Manziel?

      • BerwynBomber

        Elway hasn’t been well-liked on this blog because of Cutler and Fox. Whether that is still fueling Jeff who knows but it seemed a thing on DBB for awhile.

  • BerwynBomber

    Part of the JimmyG move involved SF releasing Hoyer. Thought is that he will return to NE to back-up Brady.

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    Ebron to Bears.

    Well, maybe later on today. Trade deadline. Any fans? Of the player, not the trade deadline.

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