• Sahr Gborie

    OJ Howard all the way. We need to replace M.Bennett. We need someone that defensive coordinators will have a to game plan around outside of J.Howard. He was the best TE at his position if he would have came out last year. He is the best TE at his position​ this year. That’s 2yrs of being the cream of the crop.

    The daft is deep with defensive starters. We can pick up outside of the 1st round. Quincy Wilson – Florida. Sidney Jones – Washington. Jalen Tabor – Florida. Tre’Davious White – LSU. Marlon Humphrey – Alabama.

    If we can trade back and stay withing the top 10 getting OJ Howard it is that much more of a steal

    • Irish Sweetness

      We have probably the best WR corps the team has ever had (including the KW wildcard), the best hands in the league at TE and we signed Dion Sims. The first pick hardly screams TE. But like you suggest, if we trade down, drafted Howard, then got Budda in the second, plus a decent OL/LB ? That would be a thing. Can’t really lose trading down.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Glennon – Cutty
        K.White – B.Marshall
        A.Jeffery – K.Wright
        D.Sims – M.Bennett
        J.Howard – M.Forte

        I don’t really see the upgrade. No disrespect to J.Howard and the monster rookie campaign he had but Forte was consistent for 8yrs. Does this group of offensive weapons compare to what we had before?

        • Irish Sweetness

          I said WR corps. Forte isn’t a WR. Neither is Bennett (and he’s a nutjob). We’ve never been close to what we have now at receiver. Kevin is the fourth receiver, if that. You never mentioned Wheaton or the best hands in the league either (Miller).

          Forte wasn’t really ever a runner (for me). He was a receiving back.

          • CanadaBear

            That led the league in yards from scrimmage over his 8 years with the Bears. It wasn’t all passing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The hard yards, C-Bear. The hard ones up the middle.

            God, it’s hard to believe Jordan has a 5.2 avg. I’ll take that over a HB catching 105 passes for all the good it did us.

          • CanadaBear

            I loved Howard’s year last year. Forte was on the downside when they didn’t resign him and I totally understood why they let him walk. Howard’s 5.2 avg didn’t exactly put the Bears in the playoffs. Just because Forte wasn’t a bulldozer doesn’t make him chopped liver. Again, he led the NFL in yds from scrimmage over his 8 years with the Bears. Kinda doubt Howard will ever do that.

          • Sahr Gborie

            The o-line was injured but still block to the point that he get through the hole. Imagine how much better he could be with OJ Howard helping to block for him or the yards he could get with the threat of OJ Howard as a reviewer defensive coordinators have to plan for. Last all coordinators had to plan for was JHoward. This year they might have to do it for OJ+J Howard

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Trading down is very popular idea but hard to do. Especially this year. Every team is setting up their draft board and realizing the same thing – there is Myles Garrett and everybody else.

        There is a big drop off after Garrett. The qbs are all mehs. No one is going to pay a fortune to jump up. #3 pick is very costly. Unless Bears are ready to simply give it a away for the sake of having any extra pick, I don’t see a trade down likely.

        If Bears are ready to give away #3 at below value, they can do what Oakland did in 2013. Raiders gave up their #3 for Dolphins #12 and #42 – a very poor return for such a high pick.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If no QB is drafted in the first two spots, we’re the first in line to take phone calls. You all know what the top position in football is and how teams get itchy to pull the trigger on a dumb trade like the RGIII scenarios that happen. The Raiders got screwed on that.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            If teams have half decent scouts and GMs, they will realize that the so called top 4 qb prospects are huge projects with bust potential. I was thrilled initially that Bears will be able to take a qb at 3. The more I looked at the qbs, the more i realized how far they are from being ready. Watson and Trubisky are borderline first rounds. Kizer is a second/third rounder. Mahomes is just a guy who runs around and throws the football a long way. They all will go higher than where they should because of supply/demand but I doubt teams will be lining up to pick them at #3 and pay a fortune.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Jets need a QB

            Jaguars are worried some might trade and take L.Fournett before them

            Saints need a QB behind DBrese and defensive help to make one last SB run

            Panthers need a RB like Fournette and defensive help since they gave away KEaly to the Patriots

        • leftcoast dave

          I agree and disagree. This draft is very deep in defensive players, especially DL and secondary. Whether there’s a “huge” drop off from who we could get at 3 vs 12 is the question to ask and what the compensation becomes. Pace will play it safe and pick DE/edge at 3 absent a trade down. The trade down is the first option with the only question being what he can get for doing it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There aren’t too many good OL players from what I read. So the second round is probably where you need to be taking one if you’re drafting one because of that drop-off.

            Now if you went TE / OL in your first two rounds? There goes your defensive draft.

          • leftcoast dave

            I do not see either TE or OL in the top three picks but rather DE/edge, secondary, then secondary or LB. That just depends on the ability to trade out. Funny, the second round pick might be better trade bait on day two than the 3 pick.

          • By #12 the “blue-chip” players are usually gone. In fact, by #7 they’re gone.

            at #12 would have to settle for 2nd best CB/S, 3rd/4rth best rusher, 2nd best WR, etc

            In other words, like all our other #1 draft picks in the Lovie era.

  • Captain Obvious

    What about secondary and secondary?

    • Sahr Gborie

      2nd round. If we are going to draft a player they have to be

      1. BPA
      2. best at their position
      3. no injury history
      4. can start on day one
      5. Instant difference maker

      Name me another player who fits that mold in this draft that is worth the #3 pick.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Other than Leonard Fournette?

        • Sahr Gborie

          Fournette has an ankle injury that is considered a chronic problem

          • Irish Sweetness

            I did not know that. Adams it is.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Adams has an injury history as well. Same with Hooker and Lattimore. I’m always up for defense in the first round. However we have no offensive weapons. K.White is broken. Everyone else would be a #2 option on a good team.

            I feel like we are going back to the days when the defense would dominate and the offense would shit the bed because it lacked any kind of firepower.

            There will be defensive backs in the 2nd round with a 1st round grade.

            What’s wrong with taking OJ in the 1st and defense in 2-4?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Surely every player is injured at some point though, no?
            Fournette eventually ran a good 40 – can you do that on a bum ankle? Why were there no injury flags in all of Adams’ write-ups?

            If White was broken, he’d have been cut. He has had two unlucky, unrelated injuries.

          • Sahr Gborie

            I appreciate your positive thinking.
            We just drafted a RB last year in the 5th who came in 2nd in the league for the rushing title when he did not even play the full season. Why redraft the position like we did with T.Jones and that bum C.Benson?

            Adams has injury flags but people are over looking it because Hooker is a bigger injury concern to some and people want to hype up how good a defensive class this is. Look at the two linebacks from last year the Cowboys and Jaguars took. Best at their position. Should have been take. In the first but they fell.

            I don’t think K.White will be cut because Pace drafted him and it would look bad for him. I’m all for giving him a chance once he proves he is reliable. Until then he is at best a nonfactor and at worst a liability.

            OJ Howard has not injury history. No character flaws. He fits the freak athlete that Pace likes to take in the 1st round. He instantly becomes our #1 receiving threat in the red zone. You remember how bad we were in the red zone last year don’t you?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I totally get we’re not drafting Fournette, that’s just my wet dream. Defense and three yards and a cloud of dust is my thing. We’re not drafting Leonard.

            Howard seems to have his fans .. but there were a couple of other TEs I saw that looked good. But at #3? We really do need to trade down to do that, and if no QB is drafted 1 or 2 then Pace’s phone should be ringing. Looking at his tape, he is a big boy and we’d have a sick offense with him on board.

            David Njoku is identical size and weight, and looks faster. Would he be there at the top of the 2nd? I like that Evan Engram too, so a TE at #3 seems like reaching.

            If Defense wins championships, we need to start building that line.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Link for Adams injury flags?

          • MB30SD

            Exactly, I haven’t seen a single word on this and I’ve done some reading up on Adams. In all of it not a single word.

            You doing the fake news thing for fun, or to fit in gorbs?

          • Irish Sweetness

            So can’t Njoku or Engram do that for you? Miller/Sims for that matter?

          • MB30SD

            Yes

          • Sahr Gborie

            Why get a Nissan or Toyota when you can have a Mercedes Benz? Plus you can afford to make the car payment and the insurance without any worries!

          • CanadaBear

            Not to mention White’s contract is guaranteed.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            I am down with OJ Howard at 3. I think he is the player that can help Bears the most right away. For the Bears offense to be half decent, they will have to protect Glennon and give him time. The interior OL is very good but tackles are a bit suspect. There are no premium tackles in this draft and so there is no immediate replacement on the horizon. Howard can be a 3 down player on offense involved on every single play.
            Pass blocking: He was not used extensively by Alabama but did it well whenever he was asked. He can help out Massie
            Run blocking: He excelled at run blocking in college. Massie run blocks well but Leno struggles. Howard can help spring big runs for the other Howard – both in the box and at second level. Imagine 6’6″, 250 guy with 4.52 speed coming at LBs.
            Receiving: He can give Glennon a big target especially in the red zone.

            The longer offense is on the field, the better it will be for the defense. OJ Howard can be the impact player that helps them stay longer and grind out points.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What separates him from Njoku and Engram to the point where you’d draft him at 3?

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Blocking. Njoku has done it some but still needs to develop that part. Engram is acts like WR..was rarely asked to block in college. If he plays TE in NFL, he will be asked to block and will have a learning curve.

            Blocking is important to Bears in the context of their tackles and no immediate improvements available in the draft or on the free agent market.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Didn’t we just sign Sims for that?

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            1. Need a home grown stud player at that position – a position that has changed and grown in importance in today’s NFL
            2. 2 TE sets
            3. Miller is fragile as glass
            4. All others on roster are just a guy

          • MB30SD

            Not @#3

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            They will have to pick someone at #3. If 9ers are going to pick Thomas or Adams, OJ Howard will definitely be in serious consideration.

            Adam Hoge offered the same reasoning in his latest mock:

            “In a perfect world, Bears general manager Ryan Pace would probably prefer to trade back a few slots before taking Howard in the first round. The depth of this draft is really evident on the defensive side of the ball in the second and third rounds and I believe the Bears would love to add at least one more pick in that range.

            That said, you need to have a partner to pull off a trade and I’m guessing the rest of the NFL is looking at this draft very similarly. There just aren’t many players you would want to trade up into the top three for, especially if you have to give up a second round pick that is as valuable as ever.

            Some would call it crazy to draft a tight end No. 3 overall, but if Howard is destined to be one of the league’s most dynamic receiving threats, then why does it matter? I have far fewer questions about Howard than I do Solomon Thomas (what’s his position?), Jonathan Allen (arthritic shoulders), Reuben Foster (shoulder surgery, character concerns), Marshon Lattimore (hamstring problems) and Malik Hooker (raw; two offseason surgeries). That’s not to say I don’t like those players, but I’ve mentioned this many times: Ryan Pace cannot blow this pick. It’s too important.”
            http://wgnradio.com/2017/04/04/hoge-2017-bears-mock-draft-3-0/

          • MB30SD

            I totally agree with his logic in the last paragraph, and I get it.

            The ONLY reason I can’t see it is it’s so not a position of need right now… Maybe bpa Trumps that, because I agree he’s a top 5 talent… I just think our secondary is such a wasteland right now pace almost has to roll the dice. I think he has to take Adams if he’s there. And if not, you take a shot at hooker.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He probably will if he doesn’t trade back first.

          • Sahr Gborie

            BPA over need unless BPA and Need meet up in the same player who can contribute from day 1 without any concers

          • MB30SD

            Exactly, people is cray

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hey, if you want the offense on the field a lot …… ahem ahem ….

          • leftcoast dave

            Sims was already hired. He’s a big body block first TE who has good hands and will be staying close as a great release valve for Glenny. Now is not the time to waste draft capital on a glamour TE when we are perfectly serviceable at the position and need that monster D.

          • Sims looks promising, but his upside is not Gronk.

            OJ’s upside is Gronk. That’s a massive difference and radically changes how defenses must prepare.

            Who would they focus on – Howard or OJ?

            OJ would demand a S (or even double coverage), which would free up Howard and the rest of the recieving corp.

            Also, as the Pats have shown, nothing wrong with a double TE set.

            12 personnel present lots of problems to defenses cuz they don’t know if it’s run or pass, and can’t go nickle.

            having both Sims and OJ in short yd/goaline sets would be lethal, esp with Howard barralling in behind them, Leno-Sitton-Whitehair-Long-Massie.

            Try stopping that shit.

            or PA and hit a big WR on a one-on-one fade (Alshon would’ve been nice there)

            edit. Found this

            http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-breakdowns/2014/12/19/7411617/seahawks-tony-moeaki-cooper-helfet-luke-willson

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Stopped… by having Glennon start.

          • I think even Glennon could hand it off to Howard or hit one of two 6’4 TEs on intermediate routes.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State

        • Sahr Gborie

          It’s been a while since we had a quality 1st round kicker

    • Irish Sweetness

      Or Linebacker / Secondary, LB/DL …. ?

  • King of DBB

    Jesus Christ, I know we are careening into the police state, esp. in Florida – home of the degenerate lowlife club – but damn, giving a Gestapo like message is still fucking scary

    https://www.facebook.com/LakeCountySO/videos/1632015356828157/

    • Irish Sweetness

      Duterte. Shinawatra. Wow. Facebook fascists – that’s some paramilitary shit right there. Kangaroo courts?

      This Bud’s for youuu …….

    • evantonio

      “in fact, our undercover agents have already bought heroin from most of you.” and it was goooooood.

      for serious, though, folks. you know heroin is bad. if you’re going to OD on anything, let it be a heroin-derived painkiller that your doctor will overprescribe because he’s getting some good bonuses from big pharma.

    • Ppl who fear doing time aren’t criminals.

      That’s why England, home for centuries of dismembering limbs and posting them on pikes, finally concluded that ‘fear’ ,even the threat of death and torture, doesn’t deter criminals.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    K, P

    • MB30SD

      Hof

  • Thompson Way

    Google correction…Did you mean “BPA, BPA”?

    • MB30SD

      It is……. The Thompson Way….. after all!

  • MB30SD

    Holy shit, now it’s the hard push for a TE…. you people Iz fucking cray.

    We just got sims. Our dbackfield looks like Swiss cheese… And with a single injury (to an old man, in NFL years) we’re right back where we started.

    You sprint up to the podium and take Adams. Period.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      What if 9ers take Adams? Lynch, a former safety, will know a good safety. Here is Adam Hoge’s well-reasoned argument for OJ Howard if Adams goes #2.

      “In a perfect world, Bears general manager Ryan Pace would probably prefer to trade back a few slots before taking Howard in the first round. The depth of this draft is really evident on the defensive side of the ball in the second and third rounds and I believe the Bears would love to add at least one more pick in that range.

      That said, you need to have a partner to pull off a trade and I’m guessing the rest of the NFL is looking at this draft very similarly. There just aren’t many players you would want to trade up into the top three for, especially if you have to give up a second round pick that is as valuable as ever.

      Some would call it crazy to draft a tight end No. 3 overall, but if Howard is destined to be one of the league’s most dynamic receiving threats, then why does it matter? I have far fewer questions about Howard than I do Solomon Thomas (what’s his position?), Jonathan Allen (arthritic shoulders), Reuben Foster (shoulder surgery, character concerns), Marshon Lattimore (hamstring problems) and Malik Hooker (raw; two offseason surgeries). That’s not to say I don’t like those players, but I’ve mentioned this many times: Ryan Pace cannot blow this pick. It’s too important.”

      http://wgnradio.com/2017/04/04/hoge-2017-bears-mock-draft-3-0/

      • MB30SD

        Yep, just responded to the same below

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Really TE at 3??? You guys are nuts. I would rather draft a position of real need like K.

    P.S. only questioning TE in hopes the Clown reposts the same thing for a 3rd time.

    • Ososfan

      K @3? Are we the Raiders?! Lol “Raidahs!”

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        what- Janikowski has been kicking for them for 17 years.

        • Ososfan

          Haha but at 3?!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            if Garrett, Thomas or Adams are not available

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Damn you Alien Overlords!!! Give us back Irish! He must have been abducted. We can only assume he has been replaced with a doppleganger.

  • Where’s the secondary/secondary option?

    If they don’t take a QB with one of their 1st 2 picks, I would like S/CB, in that order. Very likely a 1st-round caliber S or CB is available when Chicago picks at the top of round 2.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Surprised to hear you mention a corner, Woodsy. I’d like to see what we have in Prince/Cooper first. There are guys on the roster that might develop at CB. Then again, no harm in raising a rook.

      • Cooper is solid. Prince is a rental and often hurt. They’ve apparently already given up on Hall at CB. Could use a quality young prospect there, IMO

        • Irish Sweetness

          Hall is 6’2. We may be getting some 6’2 at safety. Get some!

          • leftcoast dave

            But he’s long like 6’6″ with freakish arm length.

          • Ososfan

            Extremely long arms too!

          • Gonna need them to stiff-arm the law.

      • Ososfan

        This class is too deep and talented NOT to take secondary early, if Pace doesn’t he should be fired.

    • I like Adoree and Baker in the 2nd.

      Either of those guys are plug-and-play day one.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Surprisingly, yes.

    Leo was just a dream pick. This Njoku guy also ran a 4.5X, is also 6’6 and could pick up the blocking, as they all do, after being drafted in the 2nd.

    If we’re really pining for a TE, that is. 3 is too pricey.

  • leftcoast dave

    Pace used FA with what was available and drafted to build the team. It is all based upon what is available. Last year, he fixed ILB and drafted late secondary while getting his top two targets in Floyd and Whitehair. Not much to complain about there. This year he patched up the secondary and receiver corp in FA and added a stud TE to the O line. “Needs” have been plugged. Now it’s all about BPA and value. What is the value of a high first or second used on a TE vs DE/edge in this years class? Same with the secondary when the board is loaded with talent.
    We shall see, but my money is on DE/edge going first, absent a trade down.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fixed ILB? Not for me Dave. Those boys are a long way off what makes a Chicago ILB (for me).

      Iconic. Talsimanic. All that shit that history reminds us of. Are they cut from the cloth of Butkus / Buffone/ Samurai / Lac ?

      • leftcoast dave

        When on the field, they were a good tandem. Good thing he grabbed Kwit in the fourth. Now it is a position to be augmented and there are many options out there. As it stands, I see DE/edge first, then secondary/LB second and third. We shall see.

      • evantonio

        this may be blasphemy, but fuck the ILB position. what good does it do?

        obviously i’d rather have a world-beater than a bryan cox, but between buffone, singletary, and urlacher, how many super bowls have we won?

        now you take that same talent and put it in the QB, and then we’d be in business.

        again, this isn’t to disparage the greats who’ve worn the blue and orange and manned the mike, but what has that done for us?

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s good to be tough up the gut. Great defense? Need to be solid in the middle.

          • leftcoast dave

            That’s kinda how the offense gets back on the field with a punt instead of a kick off.

          • evantonio

            yes. it’s good. but it doesn’t win us games.

          • Johnnywad

            Sure it does. Look at the Urlacher era and compare the W/L records of when he played versus when he was injured. The difference was dramatic. He absolutely won us games. He just didn’t win us Super Bowls. No player can.

          • evantonio

            Tom Brady can. Not saying he does it by himself, but a Great QB can lift a team over the hump.

            A great ILB does not.

          • Johnnywad

            Completely disagree Ev. Remove Belichik from the Patriots and leave their Super Bowl rosters intact. I’d bet they lose several of those games. Put Brady on the Browns and how many Super Bowls does he win?

            Conversely, remove Ray Lewis from the equation and I’d bet the Ravens don’t even get to the Super Bowl following the 2000 season.

            Gotta be strong nearly everywhere with some great players sprinkled in to win a Championship.

          • evantonio

            Urlacher played in the playoff game we lost to the Panthers 29-21.

            Mike Brown left in the 1st with an injury.

            Put that in your pipe and don’t smoke it in a public area, please.

        • Sahr Gborie

          No offensive fire power to match the defense = no superbowl

        • MB30SD

          I like this point… And being a totally defense guy, who played ILB in HS and idolized those guys… You are 100% right ev

          Wtf has it done for us. One fucking modern SB. We need to do something different.

          • Goodell’s NFL has severely downgraded the importance of the ILB and HB (two traditionally strong positions for Bears).

            That’s why I wrote that the nickle CB is almost as important as the ILB in the modern NFL.

            Today’s ILB must be functional vs pass and run, but they no longer have to be badasses like before.

            The engine of today’s football is pass rushers and opportunistic secondary.

        • King of DBB
        • Ososfan

          Well, they help with the run, stuffing lanes, act as spies for the QB AND super shifty RB’s and should be the ones leading in tackles for the defense… They should help relieve pressure on the safety and CB down the middle! Lol

          • evantonio

            Right. And you can come up with an equally important description for every other position on the field. Even punter.

            But how many Super Bowls has that got us?

            All I’m saying is, eff the tradition of the Bears’ ILB. It’s been nice, but not fruitful.

            Let’s start a new tradition of the 38-point-a-game offense.

          • Ososfan

            Most deff. I missed your whole point, I apologize. Our D does not need all pro ILB but just smart, athletic and serviceable guys who help with the run….

      • DaMurph

        FYI, Buffone played outside.

      • Ososfan

        We need two more ILB’s BAD….

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Sims is a stud TE? since when? what criteria are you using to define ‘stud’?

      • leftcoast dave

        6’4″ 274lb 26 year old body who played at Michigan State and knows how to block?

        Gase was not happy to lose him. Here’s a good article on him:

        http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/3/13/14905328/chicago-bears-dion-sims-free-agency-scouting-report-miami-dolphins-tight-end-adam-gase-nfl-2017

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          nothing there screams stud. yes he can block, but has injury concerns. Oh wait, my bad, he caught a studly 26 passes last year.

          • leftcoast dave

            Simms, Brown and Miller make for good options in a heavy package. The “injury” concerns stem from a concussion he got reaching for a bad throw. Hopefully that is behind him, we shall see. Plenty of good rooks to bring in later in the draft with the relative need remaining on D.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            don’t get me wrong I liked the pick up. But it was a value pick up. The guy is pretty far from being a stud. Unfortunately it is the time of year that a lot of fans tend to overvalue players.

          • willbest

            I bet if you divided all starting TEs salaries by the number of passes they caught last year, he would be second only to gronk who missed half the season. His contract does not scream value by traditional metrics.

          • Ososfan

            While I agree, we need our very own TE. This class is deep and crazy athletic as well decent blockers….

      • Ososfan

        This! We need our very own, homegrown TE!

    • Ososfan

      Well, he did trade down twice in the second round and eventually got whitehair… I think Pace, legit, goes for best player available with a dash of bias for need…

      • I don’t think Pace trades down this year, perhaps in any rd (esp the 2nd).

        The top of the rds is where every team wants to trade up cuz lots of value will still be on the board from players who fall more than they should.

        I think this draft he stays put in the first 3 rds and drafts his targets without fucking around.

        The 1st rd is anyone’s guess though cuz if a team makes him an outrages offer to land a QB, then that might be too tempting for Pace to turn down.

        • Ososfan

          I agree, BUT if Pace is offered a great deal to trade down, and based on how he did last year with getting Whitehair after doing so. Twice, I’d be all in for him to get more picks and seeing as his team is seemingly above average in selecting talent at almost any pick, I wouldn’t mind the trade downs but I totally agree, I’d rather we get extremely quality this year over quantity, somewhat lol

          • Yeah, the top of the 2nd is extremely valuable.

            Without fail prospects unexpectedly slip there, and lots of teams who have 1st rd grades on those ‘fallers’ desperately want to trade up to snatch them (ala Gmen and Landon Collins).

            Other teams want to jump the rush on certain positions, while others still want to secure that ‘project QB’.

            Top of the 2nd always a lot of action.

            Maybe Pace does trade down if he has like 10 players tiered the same, but I have a feeling there’s gonna be a dude he always loved and is just gonna turn his card in fast.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Man, I’m loving This is us. Anyone else watching?

    • leftcoast dave

      “The Great War” starts on PBS tonight. It will likely open some eyes to what Woody did to suppress constitutional rights, not to mention the simple horrors of that first “modern” war using wmd’s. (Ok mustard gas was not exactly sarin, but not a walk in the park, either.)

      • King of DBB
      • AlbertInTucson

        This is when the expansion of the unconstitutional power of the presidency really takes off.

      • WW1 in a lot of ways was much more horrible (for the soldiers) than WW2.

        That was really the first mechanized war and I don’t think the human psyche was in any way prepared for its ghastly horrors (hence the high % of “shell shock).

        Ironically called “The war to end all wars” – when in reality it christened perhaps the bloodiest century in humankind.

        It can also be argued that WWI was the end of the “enlightenment era” in which humans began to believe that science and not religion can improve the human condition.

        WWI proved that humans merely used science to become even more barbaric, not enlightened. A lot of folks were disillusioned, hence the popularity of T.S. Elliot’s “Wasteland” and one of my fav, Ownen’s

        “Ducle et Decorum Est”

        Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
        Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
        Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
        And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
        Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
        But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
        Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
        Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

        Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
        Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
        But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
        And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
        Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
        As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

        In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
        He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

        If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
        Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
        And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
        His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
        If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
        Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
        Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
        Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
        My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
        To children ardent for some desperate glory,
        The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
        Pro patria mori.

        Owens was in the British infantry and was killed 1 week before Armistice Day.

        • willbest

          I don’t think there is any question that the 20th century was the bloodiest in terms of total bodies killed. Though a couple of the black death routs did more to the population in terms of percentage.

          Science is a tool. It is no more good nor evil than the person or persons the wield it.

          • Most modern ppl see science as a tool, but when the Enlightenment began, it was viewed as more than simply a tool;

            it was seen as the new religion and salvation of man.

            You can see evidence of this by how thinkers talked of science (including our founding fathers). This optimism lasted a few centuries unitl…

            WWI which destroyed that utopian interpretation of science and “progress” .Now many do in fact view it merely as a tool not a crucifix.

            You can even say we live in a post-enlightenment world, in which humans no longer believe in either faith (dark ages) or reason (20th century body count).

          • willbest

            Humans are not lacking in faith. Even the “enlightened” view of science was faith. It has been discredited though. Many on the left believe deeply without any factual basis in one form of cultural marxism or another. It might be more proper to say that organized religion has waning influence, however that tends to be limited to the first world where cultural marxism has taken hold.

            As for the lack of reason, you seem to be equating war/genocide as unreasonable. That basically assumes the prisoner’s dilemma writ large. If everybody cooperates everybody wins. But if everybody is cooperating it is personally advantageous to be greedy. A reasonable person would be greedy. Especially if they weren’t likely to be punished or the punishment didn’t exceed the benefit obtained.

            And to make matters more fucked up, the less you value human life the better at cheating you can be. Look at Saddam. Didn’t really give a shit, but because the US and first world in general care more about human life they let him violate all the agreements. And made special carve-outs so he could smuggle weapons in through oil for food, and all kinds of other crap. Bush I even left him in power after he did something that should have gotten him killed, ostensibly because he was sane enough to realize nobody else was going to hold that shit show together.

            If you really have empathy (rather than sympathy) you can find the rational actor. Case in point. Assad using chemical weapons. I don’t know if he did, or if he bombed ISIS and their weapon stash blew up containing chemical weapons, or if it was an elaborate stage show for NK where we bombed an empty airfield, or hell a false flag operation.

            But lets run with it was Assad being evil. Now ISIS is not a good thing to have take over your country, wouldn’t a good leader use all the available tools? I live 15 miles out from Chicago and if ISIS sacked Chicago, I would hope my leader would get a bit dirty trying to end that threat.

          • leftcoast dave

            The enlightened view of science is not and never was faith, unless you mean that I can believe that gravitational pull equals 9.8m/secondsquared because the creator made it that way and it never changes because the creator made it that way.
            The big bang hypothesis was first posited by ?????

            A Belgian Catholic priest in 1927.

            Now “science” is whatever the consensus (or should I say, conned dollars and cents’s) determines it to be. Like Gorbal warming, or gee, I guess now it’s climate change since the ocean stopped rising magically when Barry O said it would because of his election. But I digress.

            The lesson of the 20th century was that scientific utopias created dystopia, whether the Nazi eugenic “science” or Margaret Sanger who is the spiritual founder of Planned Parenthood who hooded out with the KKK to kill black babies, to Lenin, Stalin, Mao it does not matter. The result was to kill people in the name of that “greater good.”

            “Reason” justified the most horrific butchery in the history of the world from the gulags to the concentration camps to the planned parenthood “women’s health” centers.

            This is what “enlightened” people think supplants “irrational” faith.

          • willbest

            No as in the faith in science will cure all human suffering and usher in a utopia. That is the faith I was talking about. Not the existence of an attraction force between objects with mass.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I believe organized religions are bleeding followers like ESPN is bleeding subscribers.

            All except Islam.

          • willbest

            In the North. In the South they are gaining. Its going to be a bit amusing when hating Christians is synonymous with hating brown people.

            http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/april/heres-best-prediction-yet-christianity-islam-2050-pew.html

          • AlbertInTucson

            For sure.

            More people on the planet, more people to kill, more efficient ways to kill them.

            Consider that Stalin made Hitler look like a 3rd class serial killer and Mao made the two of THEM look like amateurs when it comes to mass murder.

          • willbest

            Nobody seems to care when you do it to your own countrymen, which is why I find the use of Hitler as a stand in for the devil among secularists to be somewhat informative.

    • Johnnywad

      I’m struggling to remember a TV show with a better combination of writing and acting. It’s really well done.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Adam Caplan‏Verified account @caplannfl 17m17 minutes ago

    #Bears released CB Tracy Porter, team announced.

    • CanadaBear
    • King of DBB

      Gravy Knees.

      I knew he wouldn’t make it to camp and said so last week.

      • Did you see Porter getting on the Atrain in a wheelchair?

        Good call.

        Sucks, but injuries were too much I suppose.

    • Irish Sweetness

      A year too late? Bye toast. You were … a liability.

      • MB30SD

        You’re ridiculous dude. Did you read the breakdown on his stats in the Twitter image posted by Canada below (thanks for adding a dose of non-fantasy Canada)?

        Even hobbled, he was by far our best DB last year. Yeah, that sucks and says a lot, but sucks we lost him to age/breakdown.

        Calling him toast, especially compared to the other shitbombs we paraded out there last year is just silly dood

        • AlbertInTucson

          “Toast.”

          A bit of an overstatement.

          He picked off Rodgers the last time the Bears beat the pack.

          That should count for more than “Toast.”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Making an interception does not mean he could cover the burners, Al. It’s just an interception. When everything was in front of him, he was fine. When he had to turn and run ….

          • AlbertInTucson

            I still think you sold his tenure a bit short.

            True, he wasn’t Mike Haynes Or Jimmy Johnson, but neither was he Elvis Patterson.

        • Irish Sweetness

          MB, by your own admission you don’t watch pre-season. The excuse laid out for him last season was that he was injured. Well he wasn’t injured in pre-season, and the man could not turn and run on the skinny posts, go routes, anything downtown. He was toasted. Every. Single. Time. I don’t know if y’all watch the games drunk, but I don’t. He may have been – and was – a decent player in his prime. But last season? Toast.

          • King of DBB

            He was badly injured last season.

            He won’t make another club this one unless his knee and leg issues have radically healed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So no biggie.

          • Johnnywad

            He was injured before preseason.

          • MB30SD

            Dood. I don’t watch games drunk. It’s preseason for a reason dooood. They’re dudes off the fucking street, udfas, 4th string guys, etc…

            That’s why dude’s look good, they’re playing against garbage. That’s why it’s preseason doood. And why all of a sudden when they have to play against real NFL players they look like shit

      • CanadaBear

        And I’m a cad for calling Fales a stiff?

  • King of DBB

    B/R says these 10 players are shit and Da Bears should avoid them.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2702606-10-players-chicago-bears-should-avoid-in-2017-nfl-draft

    • MB30SD

      Great list, totally agree with errathing except the obiwanahugefastsafety. If he’s there in the second or even third and we didn’t take Adams or Baker, we better fucking get him.

      Then at least we’d have old man demps and this freak with Amos to back up/share time

    • Couldn’t agree more.

      “But problems with his fit in Chicago abound. For one, the Bears play in the same division as Aaron Rodgers.Melifonwu is a target for a pass-happy team every time he steps on the field. Compared to the natural coverage abilities of other draft prospects like Budda Baker and Jamal Adams, Melifonwu is an unnecessary gamble.

      And if we’re talking about a second-round value, Baker might be there. If Fangio
      really covets an enforcer type like Melifonwu, the Bears might as well draft Jabrill Peppers and get a two-for-one value given the Michigan product’s ability as a returner.”

      Here’s MelinfonluWhatever predecessor.

      https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/laron-landry.jpg

  • King of DBB
    • MB30SD

      Dis

      • Big Mike

        I’m just preparing myself for some other “good” outcome. not a WTF outcome, but something besides Adams.

        • MB30SD

          Yeah, sadly. Me too

    • Ososfan

      Oh noooos

  • King of DBB
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      non story. SD was just being cheap mfers last year.

      • Johnnywad

        Yep. Trying to fuck he kid. (Relatively speaking)

        Why would a club do that? Stupid.

        • CanadaBear

          You answered your own question with the last word. Gotta agree. It was never going to work unless Bosa had a real rube for an agent. SD is one fucked up franchise.

          • Johnnywad

            Hard to believe that’s how they chose to start a relationship with a kid they hope leads their defense for a decade.

          • CanadaBear

            I really don’t get it now that there is a rookie salcap. It was never going to work. Totally agree. Being a SD fan would be more difficult than being a Bears fan.

      • Big Mike

        Their argument for years of control was stupid.

      • Ososfan

        True that, I doubt Bosa forgets come FA…

  • BearDown100393

    Porter waived.

    • MB30SD

      : (

    • HUZZAH! No more watching Chicago’s “top” CB chasing after WRs who somehow got 10 yards behind him.

      • Big Mike

        Porter played on one leg. He’d likely be playing on one leg again this year. Porter’s willingness to play hurt, was in stark contrast to Fuller, who is DROSE except without the talent.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          To me, Fuller made a business decision. And a good one for him IMO.

          Fangio’s scheme does not suit him. He is a zone guy and a misfit in a man scheme. Plus, Fangio and Pace/Fox did not draft and don’t care for him. Just the way Fangio talks about Fuller, I don’t the he likes Fuller much. And the feeling might be mutual.

          Why would Fuller play and risk getting hurt in scheme that does not suit him? I completely understand him trying to save his body for the next contract.

          I still expect Fuller to be traded and don’t expect him with Bears come week 1.

          • Big Mike

            Heartless. Football players play.

          • Ososfan

            Fangio mentioned Fuller as a building block for years to come for the Bears in his first ever press conference, I believe Fuller not being able to play and Fangio thinking Fuller basically, quit on the team is reason why Fangio holds some seemingly ill feeling….

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            That was then. This is now..

            They got off on the wrong foot. Fangio benched Fuller after 3-4 games in 2015. He did come back towards the end of the season but relationship had gone bad by then. Fuller conveniently scheduled knee scope 3 weeks before the season and never made an attempt to get on the field.

            But the main issue is the scheme. Fuller is a misfit.

            That is one downsides of frequent coaching and regime changes.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            he should quit being a bitch and get on the field, scheme doesn’t matter to anyone worth anything.

          • Ososfan

            Agreed!

          • For years Lach kinda complained about not being able to be more aggressive a la Lewis due to scheme.

            Didn’t prevent him from suiting up and going to Canton.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            a more recent non HOF candidate proving it is Willie Young. He is built to be a 4-3 end.

          • Ososfan

            Fangio and Donatell are known to switch scheme based on the talent they have though, so I do t know if that would be 100%

    • Bit surprised with the timing.
      We all had a feeling Prince was his replacement, but it’s not as if Prince has been an ironman. He’s on a 1yr contract for a reason.

      If Prince goes down, then what?

      Cooper/Fuller/Callahan ?

      That doesn’t exactly excite me (and Fuller and Callahan have inj histories too).

      I don’t know how much they believe in Fuller, but if he’s all but out of the plans, then this def puts CB in the first 4rds in the draft

      • willbest

        Same shitshow as a last year. I think Cooper is headed toward pleasant surprise a la Freeman though.

        • Agree. Think Cooper has higher upside than Prince.
          That seems to be Pace’s MO. Gamble on little known “ascending” players for relatively cheap. McPhee, Hicks and now Cooper.

          I guess one could say Cooper benefited from a stout Zona D, but one could also argue that he benefited from their strong secondary coaching/players.

          I’m more excited to see what Cooper can do than Prince.

          We sorta already know what Prince is by this point in his career.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Aaron Wilson‏Verified account @AaronWilson_NFL 14m14 minutes ago

    Pitt quarterback Nathan Peterman has workouts for Steelers, Bills, Chiefs, Patriots, according to a source. Texans were at his Pro Day

  • Sahr Gborie

    Tracy Porter has been released. The OJ Howard train has been derailed. Guess Pace is going for J.Adams or M.Hooker

    • King of DBB

      what a strange inference

      why do you tie releasing Porter to telegraphing the pick?

      • Porter is out because Prince is younger and better. The 1 year veteran stopgap role has been claimed by a better option.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This. He signed the replacements, now Porter can be airlocked.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Porter was our best CB. Hes has been replaced by younger options. These young options come with baggage. If Pace thinks the ragtag group he put put together during FA is going to help him win games and not become a liability then that leads me to conclude 2 things:

        1 – we will stand put at #3 and draft a CB or

        2 – we will stand put at #3 and draft a d-line man to rush the passer and help take pressure off the secondary

        • Irish Sweetness

          or …

          3. We’ve just signed our CBs, and Pace will look to address either DL/LB?S in the draft?

    • Ososfan

      I’m still on the train!

      • Sahr Gborie

        It’s just you and me until Pace joins us on draft day

        • Ososfan

          We.Will.Overcome! Hahaha

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • willbest

      Rule 34

  • Tortured Bear fan

    and Secondary, Owner?

    • willbest

      I would trade our entire draft for a competent owner.

      • Tortured Bear fan

        I´m all on that TRAIN!!

  • Big Mike

    Here is an argument for secondary/secondary

    http://chi.247sports.com/Bolt/Perfect-pairings-for-Bears-in-2017-NFL-Draft-revealed-52238266

    I’m surprised secondary QB wasn’t an option.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Why not take OJ Howard in the 1st and Chidobe Awuzie in the 2nd? Offensive weapon and Defensive weapon. Win Win

      • Big Mike

        Defense first. Jamal Adams is one of the best safeties coming out of school in the last 5-10 years.

        • Tortured Bear fan

          Amos to bench or to compete for FS incumbent. as I told you time ago.

          • willbest

            You know what Amos is. He had 2 full seasons. He looked promising as a rookie and then didn’t take that next step.

  • Ososfan

    DL &Secondary for me, I know we need secondary help BAD but it’s a deep draft supposedly for Secondary and TE, hopefully we snag a TE too!

  • willbest

    “Two things that would make air travel far better: (1) every plane boards
    from back to front and (2) every seat has assigned overhead spot.” – Jeff

    Studies show that #1 is one of the slowest ways to board a plane. Most of the methods that involve dramatically speeding up board times don’t rate well in customer statisfaction. For example, loading windows then middle than aisle, would split people up traveling together. No assigned seating works pretty well for reducing boarding times but a lot of people don’t like that, especially people traveling together.

    Keep in mind, in the real world nobody would line up how you want them to. And the number of bags a person is carrying on affects how quickly they get seated. Then you have people sitting in the wrong seat and the flight attendants blocking aisles to help people get their luggage in, etc.

    #2 sounds good in theory, except they NEVER had enough overhead spots for every seat to have one that fits the max regulation bag. You can blame check bag fees for convincing more people to maximize their carry ons resulting in the problem you described though.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Boarding from the back? Tell that to First Class!

      • willbest

        If I were first class I would demand to be put on the plan first. I am paying 10 times the economy price for an open bar, I am going to get started immediately

  • Sahr Gborie

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/10/o-j-howard-myles-garrett-have-drafts-best-sizespeed-combination/
    Howard and Garrett are the two players in this year’s draft class with the best combination of size and speed
    The OJ Howard train is moving at full speed

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      OJ Howard is one of the best blocking tight ends to enter NFL draft. Beast as a blocker. Watch this and just imagine Bears run game with Jordan Howard and Benny Cunningham. All the pass catching stuff is just bonus.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO29ZgeynR0

      • Ososfan

        He is a beast, a better blocker than Gronk? Gronk hustled when he blocks, which I love…

  • Sahr Gborie

    I just got a peek inside the head of Pace and this is what I saw

    Christmas Wish List is Myles Garrett. If he is there at #3, he takes him.

    If M.Garrett is not available, the first option he explores is a trade back.

    If no suitable trades are found, he drafts OJ Howard. Unless the war room is against his decision.

    If the war room wants Watson or someone else he will take him over Howard and make it “publicly” known

    OJ Howard:
    1 – No physical flaws.
    2 – Play-maker.
    3 – Can start from day 1.
    3 – Instant red zone threat (you remember the dropped balls last year don’t you?)
    4 – Takes pressure off K. White allowing him to develop
    5 – D-Coordinators have to game plan for OJ Howard and J Howard
    6 – Gives us a true complimentary weapon to take some heat off J.Howard.
    7 – Replaces Z.Miller (you remember him don’t you? monster game vs the 49ers on Monday night. injured often)

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      At #3, you want as complete, rare, and refined prospect as possible. OJ Howard is definitely that.

      http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2017-nfl-draft/2017/03/30/introducing-oj-howard-blocker/
      Key quote:
      In watching Howard’s film, it becomes evident very quickly that he is a rare talent as a blocker. He consistently shows good effort, aggression, play strength, and, most importantly, technique. In addition to that, he provides great flexibility to an offense and can be utilized as a blocker all over the formation and execute in myriad ways. This is all saying nothing about his overall athletic ability and talents as a receiver. When you combine the two, it becomes eye-opening as to just how rare and complete of a college prospect Howard really is.”

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Key quote from some random guy walking down the street while walking a lizard on a leash:
        Howard sucks.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Outside of M.Garrett who is the most complete player other than OJ Howard? I understand he is not a NEED but you don’t pass up GENERATIONAL TALENT to address a NEED. That’s what bad franchise do. OJ Howard is the best TE 2 yrs in a row: 2016 & 2017. Plus the draft is loaded with defensive talent.

          • Ososfan

            Gold Sahr, GOLD!

          • Irish Sweetness

            By your own definition then we should draft Fournette. A RB is much more valuable than a TE. You can’t play football without RBs.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          You have eyes. Watch the film. No need to believe the quote. Just believe your eyes.

        • Ososfan

          Hahaha!

      • Ososfan

        Been on the Howard train, don’t care about the hate from our fellow DBB brothers. haha

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s not hate, man. He’s physically IDENTICAL to Njoku, and where’s he slated to go?

          • Ososfan

            Njoku, unfortunately, I believe, will not make it to us in round 2 and I do agree with you that he is the next best thing to Howard, however, he’s not an elite blocker like Howard….

      • Irish Sweetness

        Great. Let’s draft a blocker at 3.

    • Ososfan

      This! We’re getting more passengers on the Howard train! If Garrett, Thomas or Adams are not available, we take OJ!

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        so we pick 3rd…. and we will take OJ unless Garrett, Thomas or Adams is available. So we are not taking OJ. Unless there is a different math you are using.

        • Ososfan

          I’ve realized my mistake. But I’m just letting it ride. I’m laughing out loud as I type.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I will have more chance of transitioning to a woman before then than for Myles to be there at 3.

      • Johnnywad

        Never discount the magnitude of stupidity of the Browns and the modern day Niners. This ain’t over.

    • AlbertInTucson

      #4 is assuming a heckuva lot at this point in time.

      White didn’t look that great BEFORE he re-broke that leg.

    • Irish Sweetness

      There’s no pressure on White, we have 3 better receivers in front of him.

  • willbest

    I am surprised this doesn’t happen more often

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-shot-dead-chicago-home/story?id=46704080

    • AlbertInTucson

      I believe it is a national sport in Columbia.

    • Ososfan

      KCCO!!!

  • King of DBB

    If we did select OJ Howard and he moved to Chicago and married a white blond girl named Nicole, we should be worried, right?

  • That Guy

    Haven’t been on much as of late, but to all the blog brethren…

    Chag Kasher V’Sameach. Have a happy and kosher Passover.

    To all the gentiles out there. Opress the Jews at your peril. We are a blessing on your nation, but you gotta treat us right.

    • Ososfan

      Lmao. What? Isn’t it Easter too?

      • Irish Sweetness

        What I got from it was Happy Passover, but if you’re a Christian / Muslim / Hindu .. then fuck you.

        • Ososfan

          Lmao, yea I kinda did too, but whatevs…

    • Think you watched the Hebrew Hammer one too many times, NB!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHyuf47UvZQ&bpctr=1491866438

      But, serious question, do you as a devout Jew, still encounter antisemitism?

      Seems like the Jews, much like the Porish, Irish, Italians, Asian, etc are pretty much assimilated in America by now.

      • That Guy

        Many are, but not all. The only anti-semitism I see today are from three places: (1) hard left African American activists like Farakahn and the like; (2) alt-right nut jobs that get big cheers by using Nazi era german phrases to describe, for example, the liberal press; and (3) other Jews. By far, other Jews are the most frequent form.

        • Yes, Shady beating you down in the FF championship was a jew on jew crime!

          I keed. I keed.

          Surprised to hear about #3.

          I’m guessing you mean “cultural” jews are hypercritical of “orthodox” jews?

          Some of my jewish friends seem to view orthodox jews like quakers or amish – strange cult who keep to themselves.

          Though I don’t know if that’s prevalent outside L.A.

          (though my other Jewish friend who grew up in FL and served in the Israeli military seemed to hold the same opinion).

          I think Orthodox anything prolly meets with a certain degree of animosity from its lesser dogmatic brethren.

          (I know an conservative muslim who complains about the same from more ‘liberal’ muslims.)

    • MB30SD

      You too NB. Sadly I’ll be eating praws and robster at a bennihana style place tonight. I’m sorry.

      • Johnnywad

        Meh. Seems like your version of faith is closer to that of a Native American than that of your birthright. A simple nod to your people and a little extra love for Israel doesn’t mean you shouldn’t enjoy yourself during a holiday you don’t truly wish to partake in.

        FWIW, I think we might be in the same lane. Enjoy life, treat the babies right, and don’t fuck anybody over on purpose. It’ll all work out.

        • MB30SD

          Exactly my brother.

          Just be a good fucking person, errathing else’ll just buff out in the end.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We’re all human beings man. One love. I don’t want any part of a religion that excludes billions of people. That’s a dangerous cult. I’m not a ‘gentile’, I’m a human being, and so are you.

      Where are you being oppressed BTW?

      Better than no man, but no man is better than me. One God. One love. Amen.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Sanchize takes Jake’s jersey.
    —-

    Adam Jahns 8m
    QB Mark Sanchez will wear Jay Cutler’s old No. 6 with the #Bears. (Per @LarryMayer)

    • King of DBB

      ahahaha

    • The last 8 years I’ve prayed we wouldn’t have to see 6’s shitty backups.

      Now 6 is the shitty backup.

      Oh how the times have changed.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        The last 8 years the starter was shitty.

        There are some like you who keep telling yourselves he was good but the rest of the league caught up to him after his first 2-3 years at Bears. Nobody wanted to trade for him and nobody wants to sign him now. He was so good. So much better than Eli, Flacco etc.

        • BerwynBomber

          Shitty is an overstatement. He was competent, average, big-armed and full of mistakes.

          But yes, to the Cutlerites he will always be underappreciated and better than the majority of objective arguments say he was.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What is a ‘Cutlerite’ ? I’ll bet a pound to a penny you never liked him, and you cherry pick the stats to support your bias. I refer specifically tot he time after he got his head screwed on straight in 2015. You choose not to see that ….

          • CanadaBear

            One decent year in 8. Who’s cherry picking?

        • Irish Sweetness

          2015? No. Cutty was good then – the penny dropped for him. Then he was injured, and people shit all over him for trying to play. That was on Fox.

          64.4% 3,659 yards, 21 TDs 11 INTs 92.3 rating

          These are not the numbers of a shitty QB. But if it messes with your confirmation bias …

          • CanadaBear

            One year out of 8 for the Bears. Way to cherry pick. How bout those stats last year?

      • BerwynBomber

        Like McCown and Hoyer who arguably outplayed him.

        C’mon. Let’s not act like Cutty was the goods. He was an average starter with a big arm. Did I ever wish to see him lose his job to a back-up? No. But did a couple of those back-ups play as well as him (and cost tremendously less)? Yes.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Let’s not pretend Hoyer was an NFL QB. If he was coming out in the draft he’d be reamed in the press.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hoyer was an undrafted free agent. He has been remarkably successful given the odds against him.

        • Yes, he was an average starter. Which has tremendous value.

          Don’t get me wrong: the time was right to move on this offseason. But that doesn’t mean I’m excited that the Bears now don’t have a solid QB going into the season for the first time since 2009.

          McCown had one very short stretch where he played well against a few shitty defenses. The shine had already started to wear off when Cutler came back (he was awful against the Vikings and cost them that game by missing throws all over the field, which cost them a playoff spot that year). Hoyer was… eh. He was ok. Probably better than Cutler this year, just because this was Cutler’s worst year as a Bear.

          But by and large the backup QBs over the last 8 years were shit, which cost the Bears 2-3 playoff berths and a shot at winning the NFC. That was the worst part about Cutler: he kept getting dinged up. Rarely played a full 16 game season, which is the biggest thing that separated him from his peers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The time to move on was years ago when we could have gotten something for him, and I was laughed down for suggesting a McCown/Fitzpatrick bridge. Right again, in the cold light of day.

          • CanadaBear

            When were you right the first time?

          • A7Xthebest

            This so much. The very sad and pathetic thing about people who just made up their minds to hate Cutler is that they are the ones who should be “Categorized” because they all fall into a more narrow category of argument than the people who tend to defend him.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Did they outplay him? Over their careers? I didn’t realize they were 12 year starters.

  • King of DBB

    The real Best Picture of 2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzw4wkHtEt4

    Jeff needs an award to give away. Who is better than Jeff at creating a people’s Oscar? I think it should look like a Billy Goat with giant balls. This is what the statue should look like:

    https://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1520945/144480982/stock-photo-male-goat-showing-off-his-testicles-144480982.jpg

    Only goes to films that gotta pair. Grit.

    • King of DBB

      The Hughes award (the “Billy”) nominees for Best Picture of 2016. It doesn’t distinguish between international and domestic films, because that is for pussies.

      The Assassin (Stateside in 2016)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSoXoOAY1zU
      Hateful Eight
      Miles Ahead
      Hell or High Water
      Nice Guys
      Revenant
      Spotlight

  • King of DBB
    • Governerd

      Saul starts tonight at 9 central.

      • Irish Sweetness

        His brother is a cunt. I don’t find that storyline believable.

  • I say we go QB/QB.

    YOLO!

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Sure why not. We can satisfy fans who want Blake Bortles redux with Trubisky at #3 and Josh Freeman redux with Kizer at #36!

      • MB30SD

        Or go RG IV

      • Sahr Gborie

        Round1 option A – trade back
        Round1 option B – Adams or OJ Howard

        Round2 Kevin King

    • willbest

      I was thinking Long Snaper, Punter myself. lock that shit up for the next 20 years.

  • Dang, how much is 18TDs and 1,100 yds worth?

    Tree fiffy

    “According to the Boston Herald’s Jeff Howe, free agent LeGarrette Blount “has no plans” to sign the Patriots’ current offer.
    The offer, per Howe, was made at the onset of free agency. Blount hasn’t been connected to any other teams, so the Patriots have had no reason to up their offer. After they were able to get Blount back for $1 million last year, it sounds like they’ve lowballed him again after he rushed for 18 touchdowns and 1,131 yards in a career year. Blount will turn 31 this year. Rightfully, the Patriots aren’t looking to commit much money to a one-dimensional back nearing his last legs. – ” Roto

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      running backs over 30 are a dime a dozen.

  • Will they go full Browns?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q

    After talking with numerous “football people,” CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports LSU RB Leonard Fournette is “even in play” for the Browns at No. 1 overall.
    We’re not buying it, but La Canfora says multiple executives and scouts types have brought up the possibility of Fournette going No. 1. The Browns’ analytically-driven front office has many outside-the-box thinkers, but taking a running back with the top pick even seems like a stretch. It would be a stunner if the selection wasn’t edge rusher Myles Garrett. Fournette’s stock continues to rise with less than three weeks until draft day. He may be a top-five pick. – Roto

    • MB30SD

      Jesus, they are such a shitshow. But this is probably a smokescreen

    • Bender McLugh

      Bait

    • willbest

      I remember the Colts pretending they might draft RG3 for some stupid ass reason. Then again, the Vikings fleeced the Browns pretending they were going to draft Trent Richardson at #3. However Matt Kalil wasn’t considered a no-brainer the way Garrett is.

    • Johnnywad

      I’ve been counting on it.

      • leftcoast dave

        The more such stock which rises, the more valuable that 3 pick becomes for trading down to get more quality picks in the first two to four rounds.

    • Ososfan

      Please, dear Lord! And SF takes a OT

  • King of DBB

    Rappaport says AP about to sign with Saints.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Bears eliminating joint practices this year in hopes to lower injuries.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/234702/bears-eliminate-joint-training-camp-practices-in-17

    • Johnnywad

      At least we know they’re trying.

      • willbest

        Yes the reason they set back to back modern franchise records in IR size is because they practiced 2 days against another team in the pre-season

        • SC Dave

          Exactly. I’m soooo convinced.

          It would seem they don’t know that are doing.

          • Johnnywad

            I think you and Will are mistakenly assuming I believe they solved the problem. I don’t. I don’t think the problem is solvable. I think it’s random bad luck. Broken bones and torn ligaments aren’t something you can work around via a different routine. Soft tissue injuries, maybe. But Kevin White ain’t getting his season back regardless of what preseason regime they had in place.

            My point, was that at least Pace and Fox identify problems correctly and at a minimum try to do something, anything, to address them. Lovie, Angelo and Emery never did that. Their heads were always buried in the sand. Or perhaps their asses.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He didn’t injure ligaments did he? A stress fracture and a fibula break. That’s nothing. It’s unlucky.

          • Johnnywad

            Correct. White, specifically, broken bones. But Jay’s thumb, Trevathan’s knee, etc. I don’t think you can prevent that through some alternate method of training. Shit happens when you play football. Bears have been dealt a lousy hand for a couple seasons. That’s all.

          • Scharfinator

            I think good nutritionists/PT are underrated in the NFL. I imagine it makes a world of difference what fuel/maintenance you do to what are, essentially, world class engines.

          • willbest

            If I were guessing, I think all these players need to learn how to fall better. For example, there was a PT or doctor breakdown of the Houston sack dance and he explained why there was some 400 lbs of force being applied to the ACL in that instance.

          • willbest

            I think even the ESPN commenters could figure out there was a problem. But their solution seems more like throwing shit at the wall than anything well reasoned.

      • SC Dave
        • Johnnywad

          Hahahaha. I knew what it was before I opened it.

    • BearDown100393
      • willbest

        It wouldn’t have been with them this year. Donks, Card, Titans, or Browns.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus
    • SC Dave

      Fuck that…. cant skip to it.

  • King of DBB

    Saul was awesome. I anticipate a run on gas cap trackers.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Mike doesn’t dig sleep.

  • BerwynBomber
  • Hmmmm. The plot thickens. I always wonder where the coaches end and the GM begins. Was Floyd more a Fangio call?

    Dickerster reports

    “The Bears didn’t send defensive coordinator Vic Fangio out to Stanford’s pro day for his health. There is no way the Bears take a defensive player that high without Fangio feeling good about it. Remember, Fangio was a big believer in Leonard Floyd prior to the Bears moving up to take him ninth overall last year. I’m not saying Fangio is the ultimate decision-maker, but he needs to be completely on board if Chicago invests the third overall pick in a defensive player.

    Stanford head coach David Shaw and Fangio worked together at the school under Jim Harbaugh in 2010. The NFL is all about connections. The Bears should have an excellent feel for what Thomas is all about. Thomas cannot be written off at No. 3, if he makes it past San Francisco.”

  • Irish Sweetness

    The Bears are the most over-rated team in sports???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU-2m7xUZOs

    • Governerd

      WTH?

    • Scharfinator

      Who the fuck overrates them? We all know they’re trash.

      • King of DBB

        Kfc is overrated fried chicken

        • CanadaBear

          Big Time! If you or anyone else reading this, if you’re in Memphis go to Gus’s Fried Chicken. It’s a dive just off of downtown. The chicken was the best I’ve ever had and it’s not even close. Plus you get two sides (who doesn’t love fried okra?). If you are hoity-toity call in your order for take out. I loved the atmosphere. Everyone was nice and we had a lot of laughs (waiting to be seated). The decor is early Dairy Queen!

    • SC Dave

      No one wasted a second on that shit, right?

  • Irish Sweetness

    How will Demps get a helmet on that?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U9O6VRUvug

    We’re not drafting Hooker. They didn’t pay Demps to ride the pine. Amos seems to have secured his spot. I think Pace is looking at … whom ? The DEs are tweeners.

    Edit:

    We’re drafting Hooker or a QB

    • CanadaBear

      Why do you think Amos has secured a position? Amos is a below avg safety. Demps is better than Amos by a long shot. Get a safety early and send Amos to the bench.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Demps is a SS, right? Amos provides good depth, he’s done nothing wrong for a kid. Maybe they overlook Hooker’s torn Labrum, but Pace seems like a cautious dude. Can you see them draft Adams at SS and then bench Demps? They’re paying him 5M a year. If they knew they were sweet on Adams, why sign Demps? With the recent CB signings …

        At #3 Pace must be looking at either :

        1. The trade down
        2. DE
        3. QB

        Thomas/Allen are too small to play end in a 3-4. Methinks Pace might draft that QB if he can’t move down. He wants to move down for value, but he may not get that chance, and if he doesn’t … shit might fly on the blog when he makes his pick.

        • CanadaBear

          Why does Adams have to play SS? He ran 4.38 40 at his pro day.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I guess he doesn’t have to. But his draft profile reads very much like a SS :

            Strengths

            Natural-born leader of men. Well-built. Will not hesitate for one second as a hitter. Steps downhill looking to punish running backs to set a tone for defense. Toggles between patient and urgent in treks to the ball. Plays off blockers. Approaches target with open arms and wide, balanced base to limit escape routes. Intelligent field general. Gets secondary aligned properly. Plays with plus balance in coverage. Pattern reader who can digest combinations. Alert for misdirection keys from offense. Party-crasher on screen plays. Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends. Five interceptions and two recovered fumbles over last two seasons at LSU.

            Weaknesses

            Handsy and too willing to clamp onto receivers down the field. Hard-charging downhill, but a little stiff when asked to retreat. Long speed appears to be average on tape. Eyes drop when targets approach his area. Anticipation is average, limiting his range as a center-fielder. Will give away some interceptions due to drops. Slower coming to balance as tackler on bursting runners between
            the tackles. Desire to limit cutbacks leads to challenging play-side tackles. Doesn’t pursue with expected vigor from across the field. Aggressiveness opens him up against play-action.

          • Ososfan

            Fangio doesn’t care about SS or FS, they’re interchangeable in his eyes, Fangio and Donatell will help this stud play to the best of his abilities…

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s the way football should be played. Safeties should be safeties. Tackle the ball carrier.

          • Big Mike

            Players have different gifts. I guy that can cover and be a box safety is rare.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So have one of each … and if you can’t – like we can’t – you’ve got two ‘strong’ safeties. There’s always next year’s draft.

          • MB30SD

            Adams ran a 4.38 he can do it all dude.

          • SC Dave

            People often, astonishingly, undervalue tackling in safeties. BY FAR their most important characteristic IMO.

          • Big Mike

            That’s not true. He might not want to distinguish between the two, but there is in fact a huge distinction. SS is a small fast LB. FS is a CB that can hit.

          • Ososfan

            I meant in a Fangio 3-4. From what I read, his SS & FS can be somewhat interchangeable…

          • Big Mike

            Ideally, that gives the DC the most flexibility in Blitz packages, disguising coverages etc. But in almost every case, each safety has a strength. The versatility simply allows for the DC to blitz the “cover” safety, knowing his SS can cover and vice vers. Bears desperately need a cover safety, who can hit. Not a box safety with unproven cover ability. That’s the Adams vs Hooker conversation in a nutshell. Factor in the injury, Adams is the call. And yes, he is worth a 3.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah blitz packages .. or in Fangio-speak .. .a postage stamp.

          • Exactly.

            And when was the last time Fangio sent Amos on a blitz?

            Fangio doesn’t blitz safeties. Doesn’t here. DIdn’t in SF. Won’t in the future.

            Fans are under the mistaken impression that we’re the LeBeau Steelers where blitzes come fast a furious from everywhere.

            We’re not.

            Fangio is sending 4 guys 90% of the time, so the safeties better cover.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly, It’s not about blitzing safeties for Fangio. The concept of disguising a look still holds. Man vs Zone, the type of Zone, who’s got the TE, run support etc.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How?

          • Irish Sweetness

            SS are supposed to cover the TE. So they should really be getting bigger.

          • Big Mike

            That’s true, but they are still typically smaller than LBs.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s true also.

            I’d love two 6’3 safeties though.

          • 6’3 safeties can’t cover. They only work when you have a bad ass roaming FS in a cover-3 heavy D.

            Kam Chancellor only exists because of Earl Thomas flying around back there.
            Buchannon only exists because the Honeybadger flies around back there.

            We need that type of FS, and Hooker is that.

            Once we get that ballhawking FS, then you can insert some lumbering stiff SS, but in our division, is a frankenstien SS even necessary?

            Which HB would make us want to put an extra S in the box?

            Vadgers is the mark. Gotta find ways to take him (and Lesbo) down. A run-stuffing SS isn’t gonna help with that.

          • King of DBB

            In a Fangio 3-4, the playbooks really calls out for a Troy Palomalu type safety. Call him strong or free, in actuality it’s formation insensitive.

            Fast, smart, and able to drop into the box and blitz from all angles.

            Adams can play that role.

          • Ososfan

            Wow, said it better than any analyst out there GP!

          • MB30SD

            With fucking aces!!

            If he’s there and we pass, pace Will be gone in 2 years, mark my words!!!

          • willbest

            Only if Adams doesn’t go all Kevin White.

          • MB30SD

            Why would he?

          • willbest

            why would Kevin White go all Kevin White? Shit happens. Pace only gets shit canned if he passes on an obvious talent that goes on to multiple pro-bowls. No GM is going to get fired because they passed on a guy gets hurt before he does anything or a non-obvious talent like Dak.

          • MB30SD

            I’m still confused. You compared Adams to white, no?

          • willbest

            White was a consensus elite talent in the 2015 draft, one would hope Adams would compare to White. If not, why the fuck would we draft him.

          • MB30SD

            No he wasn’t. He was a one year wonder freak athlete with tons of upside but was considered massively raw.

            Adams is considered the 3 – 5th beat FOOTBALL PLAYER in this entire draft.

            No comparison whatsoever… Except for the athletic part.

            You totally missed me on this one maings

          • willbest

            There were plenty of experts that ranked White above Cooper.

            Danniel Jeremiah who currently ranks Adams as #2 in this years draft, had White at #2 in 2015 ahead of Cooper at #3. There was plenty of buzz about White and I can’t recall anybody thinking we were reaching when we picked him up at #7. Which is impressive when you consider that we had no business doing BPA with that dumpster fire of a defense, and only 2 of the top 6 picks being a defensive player.

            Also keep in mind that White (and everybody else) got pushed down the board because there were two QB’s that people believed could make it at the NFL level in Winston and Mariota.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You’ve got the playbook??

          • King of DBB

            Vic left it on the chair at Malnatti’s.

          • Was Goldshon or Hitner Palomalu in SF?

            I don’t think Fangio wants his safeties freelancing one bit. Irish is right – Fangio prefers missionary style esp when it comes to his secondary. He simply wants guys who won’t get burned.

            Also, Palomalu coming out of SC was way more of a bad ass than Adams.

        • BerwynBomber

          “Amos provides good depth, he’s done nothing wrong for a kid.”

          You mean other than show no aptitude for pass coverage or making a play on a ball in the air?

        • I actually agree.

          Demps is somewhat interchangeable at S, much like Adams, but BOTH are better equipped to be SS.

          That’s what makes me think Adams is off the table for Pace.

          Hooker would be the perfect single-high FS complement to Demps.

          They had 13 INTs combined last year (some returned for TDs).

          That’s more than our entire ’16 team

          edit. Or, if you’re gonna go Allen/Thomas at #3, then Baker at #36

          • SC Dave

            Thomas

    • If I were a football player, I’d grow a 70s fro if I could. Has to help with preventing concussions right?

      (racist?)

  • King of DBB
    • beninnorcal

      That’s a lot of money to mentor when they could’ve just kept Hoyer(who has more experience) for a fraction of wht they’re giving Napoleon D.
      But I would imagine the Glennon move was made in order to be be ready either way they go.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nah, they cut ties after a year and no biggie.

        Why keep Hoyer as a mentor?

        “Okay kid, what I do is go hut-hut …. 5 step drop .. turn and hit the RB in the flat. Works every time.”
        “What if you need to hit a 10 and out?”
        “10 and the whatnow?”

      • King of DBB

        Pace paying his CBS shills to advance that story is good GM move.

        Houston and possibly others want Trub. Pace may be chumming the waters to get somebody to call him and trade up so he can trade back and take extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This is Pace’s job on the line, and I think he knows he has to trade down.

          If he can’t, I think he blows the pick. Unless he drafts Adams and plays Demps AND Adams, with no true free safety. OR he rolls the dice on Hooker.

          I’m not a Doctor (surprise!) .. but can you draft a torn labrum at 3?

          • King of DBB

            If Pace trades back to, say, Houston, and they take Trub and we stock the cabinets with mediocrity (the Bears way!) while Trub turns out to be the next coming of Cuck Rodgers, then Pace cannot live it down.

            So there is risk on all sides.

          • Ososfan

            True, but Pace has shown that he can get quality guys even if he trades down, he’s done it in both drafts. We got Howard, and Whitehair and Grasu(for whatever that’s worth)

          • King of DBB

            I agree that if Westworld gets the opportunity to trade back, he will take it.

            There is a lot of risk up high and he has a LOT of needs.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Depends on who he drafts with the picks he gets in return, and how our QBs do.

          • After watching Gruden and Trub interact, I came away with the distinct impression that Trub is a mambo.

            Now, one can say, “So was Marino!” But Marino’s QB skills were off the chart (and he never did win a SB anyways even under one of the greatest HCs of all time).

            Trub is somehow related to that student who shouted, “Don’t taze be, bro!”

        • Those 2nd rounders are gold this year.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8

          The problem is, 32 other teams feel the same and are gonna treat those 2nd rounders like Scrooge McDuck with his vault.

      • Big Mike

        More upside than Hoyer. Glennon “Could” be a real nice starter.

        • Ososfan

          That’s what many are saying around the league BM, we just got to give the guy a chance!

          • SC Dave

            This. For all we know, Glennon may be The Answer. Stranger things have happened.

        • BerwynBomber

          Exactly. There was no upside left to either Hoyer or Cutty. We had seen the best of the former in his short stint starting last year, and the latter, at times, during his eight years with us.

          Glennon might blow but there is a potential for more upside than either Hoyer or Cutty. Plus, he is younger and healthier than each.

          Neither Hoyer or Cutler was going to be a long-term solution. Glennon “could” be.

          • Big Mike

            I highly doubt that he has a greater upside than Cutler. Cutler’s ceiling approaches “Elite”. His floor approaches clipboard holder. Consistently Average is all we need from Glennon.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What I’m looking forward to in Glennon is his looking after the ball … but with the ability to hit Wheaton or whoever downfield.

          • Big Mike

            Irish, I may have been one of the last Cutler supporters. I don’t know what happened to his big play capability. But it seemingly vanished. I really have to put this on the receivers we have had / were injured last year. I’m really hoping Jay ends up with Houston and has a good run there. With that said, Glennon will be ok. If he can be Kyle Ortonesque that’s all we can hope for.

            I’ve mentioned it once or twice here, but I coached Mike Glennon in youth football. He was a leader back then. Nice kid. Good family. Won a state championship in HS. He made a very good team, excellent. His team had one of the highest Power Rankings in VA High School football history.

          • BerwynBomber

            If he is Orton-esque he will most likely only start for a year. Orton was a bit lucky in that he had horrible #s that rookie year but we won because of D. (Objectively, a guy like Hoyer was better than Orton.)

            Could happen again, I suppose, but if Glennon plays like Orton it is more likely we lose a bunch of a games and somewhat blame Glennon for the losses.

          • Big Mike

            Remember at the time we were competing for division championships, conference championships etc. Now we’re just trying to pick ourselves up off the floor. Orton/Hoyer? Interesting debate.

          • BerwynBomber

            Btw, cool story about Glennon connection, BM. Will be even cooler if he pans out as Bears starter. Fingers crossed.

          • BerwynBomber

            You can’t continue to judge “upside” by combine skills. Sooner or later, especially after ten years in the league, you have to judge it by game performance/results.

            Again, Glennon has more potential upside than Cutler — in a performance/result sense, not in combine sense, which isn’t to say Glennon won’t suck. He might. But that’s the gamble Pace is making on a one year deal: Glennon is either as good or better than Cutler (and Hoyer).

          • Big Mike

            If you were Houston, (basically a super bowl ready team), who would you take. Culter or Glennon to get you to a SB Championship? Pretty sure it’s Cutler. Time to move on from #6. Glennon will do just fine. Translation.. he won’t be the principle reason the bears suck or don’t suck next year.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah but that has nothing do with long-term upside. That is quick-fix proven stuff, however dubious. It’s like taking Sanchez over Shaw to win a game in November.

          • Big Mike

            It’s possible Glennon has some long term potential. Just like it’s possible the Bears draft the next Dak Prescott in round 2 or 3. Getting a few guys competing seems to be Pace’s way of doing things. Glennon, Sanchez, a draft choice etc.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. I like the Glennon move. Could backfire, of course, but if it does, it is only a one year commitment. And really might not even be that if we draft a kid this year (though I tend to think we will draft a QB in ’18 instead).

          • Big Mike

            Should draft a QB every year.

          • CanadaBear

            Or close to it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Pretty much my theory too. (Or at least every other or third year.) I fault Pace for not doing so even if he was saddled with Cutler’s contract. I never understood why he bothered bringing Clausen back that first year he was on the job.

        • SC Dave

          This. It is, of course, what we all hope.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m feeling this more and more. He has Sanchize AND Glennon to mentor the kid.

      However …. he has addressed CB and SS .. .so maybe it is Hooker after all. HQJ is not the man,a nd they can hardly expect Hall to move in and start at FS.

      • Ososfan

        Hall played some S in college though, so he wouldn’t be that lost if he is plugged in there…

        • Irish Sweetness

          I did not know that. Sweet.

        • MB30SD

          PSHeeeerrroooooo!!!

    • Ososfan

      I think Sanchez will be the one mentoring, any QB pick, if not this year, then next year..

      • willbest

        Then pay him to be an assistant QB coach, don’t give him a spot on the 53

        • Ososfan

          True that! But he has NFL experience and is cheap and might be able to do SOMETHING if needed in a pinch…. Or two… Uggh

        • Irish Sweetness

          So if Glennon goes down, we throw a 21 year old to the wolves?

          • willbest

            Absofuckinglutely. If Glennon goes down your season is shot. You might as well take the training wheels off your presumptive franchise QB and let him get real experience in a season that doesn’t matter.

          • This is exactly why I hate the Sanchize signing.

            I would rather throw in Shaw if Glennon goes down.

            But for ONE season at least, seems like they’re giving Glennon and Fox all the rope they need to either climb out of the pit or hang themselves.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            shaw will be injured by the 3rd preseason game.

          • SC Dave

            Shaw!!!

    • BerwynBomber

      This assumes Sanchez is cut or we carry three QBs on the 53.

      More and more I am thinking Glennon is a one year trial as the long-term solution. And short of Glennon putting up top five #s, Bears pick their QB next year.

      Then again, who the F knows …

      • This route also has the benefit of finding out if Fox will be around for the next QB.

        I think both Fox and Glennon are on probation.

        Their fates are tied. If they both flame out, Pace simply presses reset on HC/QB while hopefully still churning the bottom of the roster so it can be strong for the new regime.

      • SC Dave

        Top 5, or top 10? Top 10 would be good enough for the first year, don’t you think?

  • King of DBB

    Booger insinuates Myles is a pussy. Indeed, Booger says the Aggies are all pussies.

    Myles refuses to let Booger speak to him.

    Booger is miffed, sends this story to NBC.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/11/myles-garrett-declines-to-do-radio-show-with-booger-mcfarland/

    • Ososfan

      Yea, heard the whole convo on Mike and Mike this morning… Odd..

      • King of DBB

        Comparing him to Mike Mamula was just trolling him.

  • King of DBB

    Assign need grades, scale 1-10, for Bears. 1 means you are totally set, 10 means absolutely desperate at that spot.

    QB: 5
    RB: 2
    WR: 7
    TE: 5
    RT: 8
    LT: 7
    Interior OL: 2

    DL: 8
    LB: 7
    Safety: 9
    CB: 8
    Nickel: 8

    those are my grades. I think Westworld would have similar scores.

    • willbest

      QB: 10 (do you have a top 15 QB? if not 10)
      RB: 1
      WR: 6
      TE: 4
      RT: 6 (I thought Massie finished a lot stronger than he started)
      LT: 7
      C/G: 1
      DL: 7
      LB: 5
      S: 9
      CB:6 Cooper should be solid, and the D doesn’t value the position all that much.
      NB: 7 Callahan looks serviceable, and it took Norman and Bouye a few years to demonstrate greatness
      Edge: 10 (Do you have a top 10 pass rusher, if not 10)

      • MB30SD

        Agree

    • Irish Sweetness

      CB 8?? After signing two, and we have Callahan et al?
      LB is higher than 7, as is DL.
      OL is probably an 8 or 9.
      WR should be lower. Like a 2 or 3. We need a WR project like a hole in the head. No space.

      • King of DBB

        We signed Prince A and the other guy, BW Webb. Experts still say the Bears are desperate for a corner they can assign to the opposing #1.

        Linebacker – Trevathan should come back from his broken arm. Freeman should stay off the steroids. We have Floyd with a year of conditioning and McPhee says he’s back. Could we really use TJ Watt? Hell yes. But it’s not an emergency.

        Interior OL – We signed Sitton, Whitehair turned out to be a stud and Kush was a nice surprise, and we get Long back.

        Wideout – I struggled with this one, I watched the film of Wheaton as a Steeler. He’s a good player. But White is a bust, and we have Meredith and Thompson beyond that. That is sketchy.

        Ultimately, I think D needs outweigh O needs and pick #3, given that it does not get traded back – will be D.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Trevathan did not break his arm, he ruptured his patellar tendon. a little more serious.

          • King of DBB

            Oh, I stand corrected on that injury. Thanks.

            Rumor is also that Long has lost 25 pounds and become depressed. But I think Papa Howie will get him back on track. Kyle is learning that the NFL is about pain management. His dad was the pinnacle of tough, so I hope he coaches him back into shape.

          • CanadaBear

            He’s definitely lost some weight. The stuff in the video is hooey but you can see how much weight Kyle has lost.

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/170408QTP_KyleLong/kyle-long-calls-lavar-ball-showing-skills-court

          • I’m OK with Kush-Push. If Long isn’t 100% to start the season, roll with Kush till he is. Gotta think Long term.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure how much the torn labrum will bother him this year. He definitely shouldn’t play on that ankle until it’s as good as it’s gonna get. If it isn’t coming around, get the labrum surgery and go on IR.

          • IMO a healthy Kush outplayed a hobbled Long last season.

          • CanadaBear

            I really hate to agree with ya but I do. I was really happy how well Kush played.

          • SC Dave

            Beyond a doubt.

          • SC Dave

            And maybe Kush is the long-term solution.

          • His bro was also always inj. Sure between the both of them, they’ll have good “tips” (and by tips I mean pills)

          • And that inj usu takes at least one season to recover (if ever – see, Salsa Man)

    • Big Mike

      No time right now to grade, but your defensive front 7 grades are all wrong.

      • King of DBB

        Bullard, Goldman, Hicks, Jenkins, Lewis-Moore, Unrein and the irreplaceable CJ Wilson.

        That is the whole roster as of now for DL.

        As Waffle says, can you really beat lineman wearing #s in the 70s? Wilson is 69. Close enough. I heard CJ Wilson and Landon Cohen are pals at the south side nightclub they bounce at together.

        Bullard got a depressing % of snaps last year for all his hype about wide hips and good stance. So he needs to step the fuck up.

        Yeah, I’m sticking with an 8 grade on DL. It’s a problem.

        • Big Mike

          Front 7 is not an 8. No way no how. You stick with your grade. But I’m calling you on it 🙂

          It was one of the few bright spots last year.

          • willbest

            Chicago was tied for 21st with 3 other teams against the run last year allowing 4.4 yards per carry. So it must have been their marvelous ability to get to the QB that made them so fierce…

          • willbest

            nope… while they had a respectable showing in the sacks column ranking 12th with 37. They were 21st in forced fumbles, and dead fucking last in fumble recovery.

          • Big Mike

            Sacks aren’t the whole measure. There was a stretch of games where the dline and Lb play was strong. It was encouraging. Then injuries. I like the group. But even if you don’t they aren’t an 8.

          • willbest

            A couple games? Was one of them that blizzard against San Fran where Kaep went 1 for 14 before being benched?

            Sure injuries, but there wasn’t a lot of consistency there. I suspect if I went around the league I might say “well when healthy, I rank this group in the top half” but given how important hitting the QB is, I think everybody but Houston rates at least a 6 (minor exaggeration).

            Still we have question marks at one OLB, ILB, and DE position, and possibly even NT what with Goldman having not been able to put in a full season yet. Odds are we won’t have 4 holes, but even having 2 holes makes it a pretty important group to address.

          • SC Dave

            I dunno, Mike. If your line (O or D) is not a bunch of ass kickers, it should be improved. Of everyone here, it seems you would agree that football is won in the trenches.

          • Big Mike

            No question that it needs improvement. But the DL is not an 8. With s player or 2 they are closer to a 3-4 than people think.
            Mike

          • King of DBB

            Unrein and Hicks played like madmen, Hicks especially.

            But Goldman continues to show issues staying healthy. I expect Jenkins to get a lot of snaps in there.

            I forgot Sutton is still on the team. I am not sure how I feel about Sutton.

    • Everyone emphasizes how weak the secondary is.

      And it’s true. But the awesome part about a 3-win team is that we’re thin everywhere!

      Dline is all question marks.

      Goldman. Can he stay healthy? And if he can’t, enter JAG.
      Bullard has to take that sophomore leap. How did that turn out for Amos? Who rotates in, Wilson?
      Hicks looks good, but it’s only 1yr. And what happens if he goes down? Sutton/Unrein again? FML

      We have no depth behind an inj-pron NT and a totally unproven sophmore.

      Houston is somehow still on the roster. .Maybe move him back to DE for some insurance (it’s not like he’s tearing it up at OLB, well, except for his knee in celebrations).

      I know we signed Jenkins, but Hankins is still out there. He’d be good for our team. He can play on 1st and 2nd down, Bullard/Goldman/Hicks can rotate at DE (DE might be Goldman’s position).

      On obvious passing downs, put Goldman back to NT. Bullard-Goldman-Hicks

      Would save Goldman’s body too. Put a fat bastard at NT. Let the blubber absorb the pouding like the blob.

      Jenkins for now is that, but he’s not as good as Hankins.

      That would be my pitch.

      Being thin on the Dline also is why Allen at #3 wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

      I don’t know if Allen is the next Seymour or a bust, but I DO know he’s be way better than Wilson or the immortal Unrein

      • SC Dave

        Thomas over Allen.

    • CanadaBear

      QB 5, RB 3, WR 7, TE 6, RT 5, LT 5, GCG 5 (depending on Kyle’s health), DL 7, LB 7, S 8, CB 7, Nickel 8. A 5 from me means needs attention, so as you can see only RB doesn’t need attention. Honestly let’s finish this off K 5, P 5, LS 5.

    • SC Dave

      QB: 3, RB: 1, WR: 8, TE: 4, RT: 8, LT: 7, Interior OL: 7 (i.e. can NEVER have too many good OL), DL: 9 LB: 8 (Tre is done), Safety: 10, CB: 6, Nickel: 5

  • King of DBB

    Fangio’s split 34/43 D
    http://beargoggleson.com/2015/01/21/vic-fangios-defensive-scheme/

    Bowen on C-3 Cloud – C3 that jams at the line and plays like C2 with the option for the 4th man to put his hand down or stand

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2047445-nfl-101-introducing-the-basics-of-cover-3

    This D is Kyle Fuller’s least favorite D.

    • Sahr Gborie

      He will be part of a trade package involving our 7th round pick on draft day to move up into 5th or the 4th round

      If it does not happen he will be given a chance at CB or S.

      If he fails he will be released

      • Hopefully we can get something out of Fuller if he’s out.

        However, no team wants a candy-ass just cashing in checks.

    • Doesn’t this “3tech DT/DE” sound an awful lot like Allen (who is a bit too small for a traditional 3-4 DE)?

      “The DEs in a 3-4 are normally run-stoppers who focus on occupying two blockers, clogging run lanes, and eventually pressuring QBs if the coverage holds. In Fangio’s scheme one of the DEs moves inside to the 3-tech DT position. The 3-tech DT (#91) lines up between the guard and tackle on the weak side and is ideally the D-line’s best pass rusher. The 3-tech DT’s responsibility is to generate interior pressure on pass plays and get in the backfield to disrupt the running game.”

      Fangio might have found his Justin Smith in Hicks. Now he may want to find his Ray McDonal in Allen to complete the pair

      Unless they’re banking on Bullard to develop into that.

      “The 5-tech DE’s role requires the ability to hold his ground against the run despite frequent double teams. If the DE can force a double team it frees up the lanes on either side of him for the linebackers. Justin Smith has handled this role the last few seasons and is a special player who was a key factor in the success of Fangio’s D. It is a stretch to think any DE on the Bears roster has the ability to even be a poor man’s Smith, but a healthy Lamarr Houston has the talent to be effective if he gains weight.”

      Houston, we got a problem. Besides getting inj, Houston left the Raiders precisely because he didn’t want to do the grunt work of Justin Smith. He wanted the flashy sacks with the dances. That’s why they had to stick him at OLB when really he’d make a better 5tech. Will this change going forward? Hopefully, but don’t see it.

      That’s why I think Goldman should move to DE. He seems ideally suited for that Justin Smith role.
      He’s a man mountain with strength and length. I think he can occupy 2 blockers and thus free up the LBs.

      This of course would mean we need another NT, but those aren’t that difficult to come by. There’s one on the market as I write, though Jenkins I suppose can step into that role, for now.

      • King of DBB

        Goldman is 6’4″ and 320. He would actually do best at RDE in Fangio’s 3-4, and then you go get a real Wilfork buttplug of a man, as Waffle says a man-meat mountain, like 6′ flat and 340lbs as NT.

        Goldman is ideal to take on the Justin Smith role. He is the same size of a guy like Reggie White.

        Jenkins is 6-3 and 360.

        I would start Hicks – Jenkins – Goldman as my down 3, and rotate in Unrein and Bullard at the ends. We would need a backup NT from FA in that model although if you had Sutton bulk to 320 and strength train like fuck he might be able to do it.

        • Pace in his usual way brought in a bargain bin NT in Jenkins, but I totally agree with you, think we need to bring in a “power-bottom” (like MB!)

          That’s why I still want Hankins.

          Then that could move Goldman to DE where he can fill either the Ray Mcdonald or Justin Smith role (depending on how much pressure he can generate).

          However, two points might prevent this.

          1. Fangio philosophically believes in a leaner NT.

          He doesn’t use the Wilfork/Ngata type inside. I guess he prizes pass pressure more than line clogging, or maybe prefers the flexibility a leaner NT provides.

          (Kinda like preferring T.Harris over Ted Washington)

          Dunno. But that’s his philo, and DCs are infamously inflexible.

          Naturally the downside to leaner NTs is that they tend to wear down more, and that’s exactly what happens to Goldman who by midseason is ailing in some way.

          2. If you compare Ray McDonald’s and Bullard’s scouting profile, they’re the same.

          Fangio might already believe in Bullard, and as such, may not feel compelled to move Goldman (or draft Allen).

          • SC Dave

            Sure hope 2. is right, as I would rather we not draft Allen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m really tired of hearing about Fangio’s philosophy. It sucks. It doesn’t work without the SF players playing it. He doesn’t believe in pressure .. .so he can fuck off away from my Bears thanks very much.

            Which of the great defenses did not rely on pressure?

            Don’t the names give it away?

            The NY Sack Exchange. The Purple People Eaters. The Steel Curtain. The Monsters of the Midway. The Orange CRUSH etc.

            Pressure, Mr. Fangio. Pressure.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bullard needs to either play ILB or get lost, he has no business on a 3-4 DL.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’s listed at 336. He’s no DE. Malik is the only DE-lookin DE in this draft.

          But I’ll have Jenkins in the middle (360!), Hicks outside … and Malik. I don’t see where Eddie fits in a 3-4. He’s more like a 3T in a 4-3.

    • SC Dave

      Read that shit, and it makes me more and more certain that this draft should be defense. Give Fangio what he needs, damnit!

  • King of DBB

    Roy Batty Day.

    Today is Roy Batty Day. In Blade Runner, Rutger Hauer’s character has an inception date of April 11th, 2017.

    Turns out the Nexus 6 was a wee bit buggy, but I am still long on the Tyrell Corporation.

    • Bender McLugh

      If you could see the things I’ve seen with your eyes.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Good call brother!! I just downloaded the vinyl rip of the soundtrack last night(which I purchased long ago!).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x3UNHNo1LA&t=1313s

      Memories of green is just … gorgeous.

  • King of DBB

    Joe Thomas would make a helluva team mate for Kyle

    https://twitter.com/joethomas73/status/851478374438645760

    • CanadaBear

      Love that! United and Air Canada are the worst. AC because they are always fucked up and rarely ever a bargain. I flew to Memphis on United (2 flights down, 4 (yes, 4) back) a couple of months ago. Coming back was brutal. Left 1.5 hours late from Memphis. left 2.5 hours late in Houston, missed the connection in SF and spent the night in the airport (according to United it was all weather related so they acted like they were doing me a big favor re-booking me). Got the flu in the airport. Next morning leave 1 hour late for LA (I’m trying to get to Vancouver) and leave 2 hours late from LA. My buddy took a $500 voucher and flew out of Memphis the next day. He beat me to Vancouver by 2 hours. We damn near missed the last ferry to Vancouver Island. I bitched like hell to United after the fact and they gave me a $200 voucher. Big Whoop! I will avoid United whenever I can for the rest of my life.

  • willbest
    • CanadaBear

      The part that would piss me off the most if I got bumped … They took 4 United employees

      • willbest

        Yeah, that was a bit messed up. If you let them on the plane, you gotta fly them. Bump them at the gate if you are going to overbook.

        • CanadaBear

          Exactly. Trying to entice passengers with vouchers is a pretty tough sell once you’re on the plane. United couldn’t have fucked that up much worse if they tried. They are so tone deaf they just don’t get it.

      • BearDown100393

        United. Proud partners of the Cleveland Browns.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    A young Mike Glennon talking to Jon Gruden

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE4YBWzKLEw

    • willbest

      Oh this was a legit post. I was half expecting a giraffe talking to an animated hippo.

    • Elect A Glennon.Expect A Orton

      What. Ever.

      • BerwynBomber

        Brike!

    • Irish Sweetness

      He’s young now!!

      Gummo’s face is TINY. Huge head, tiny face.

  • King of DBB

    Spicey said during his presser today that Hitler did not use chemical weapons during the Reich. News to me.

    #AltHistory
    #AltRight

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/spicer-offends-hitler-gassing-remark-n745241

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Hitler used chemical weapons in concentration camps but not on the battlefield. So he is somewhat right.

      • King of DBB

        #SomewhatRight

        • Ososfan

          *** #SomewhatAltRight

          • SC Dave

            Do you even know what the Alt-Right is? And if you mention either Bannon or Yannopolis, I’ll be certain you have no clue.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Ha! good one.

      • SC Dave

        I was going to write that, but you already did.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think dropping Napalm and Agent Orange on women and children counts as chemical warfare, no? As for atomic weapons …. only one country has done the unthinkable … and using German scientists to boot. Judge not, lest ye be judged yourselves.

    • BearDown100393

      Praising Hitler during Passover seems like the non-controversial play indeed.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus
      • King of DBB

        I like that he penned in the back acne. Nice touch.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      “Then Saddam Hussein throws a little gas and everybody goes crazy.”
      https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/851864975442407426

    • I guess he’s not counting Hitler poisoning his dogs?

      PETA, get on it!

      A lil off topic, but here’s an interesting discussion on why Hitler didn’t employ chemical warfare. I never really thought of it.

      http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/15528/why-did-hitler-not-order-the-use-of-poison-gas-in-combat

      Three main reasons from what I can gather.

      1. Hitler feared the Allies had even more lethal chemicals
      2. Germany’s delivery system wasn’t sophisticated enough
      3. Hitler was somewhat traumatized by his own gas experience in WW!

      (The last reason assumes Hitler had any sort of empathy, which I doubt).

      #cooperation

      • King of DBB
      • SC Dave

        Well, I’m betting that his main reason was that Britain could launch them behind the prevailing winds, and the Germans could never counter.

        And Hitler was never stupid enough to underestimate the brutality of the English.

        • That might fit under #1/2, both in the raw material and delivery.

          Still, when he was half-crazed in his bunker and had nothing to lose, could’ve easily gave out some order to unleash the gas.

          A lot of the SS committed suicide anyways, so they didn’t have much to lose either, since they knew they’d be captured and tortured by the russians or hung by the west.

          But perhaps by then it was too late.

          Hitler didn’t envision losing, so he never prepared a suicidal plan b

        • leftcoast dave

          The English? Didn’t we firebomb Dresden?

          Schlachthause Funf.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Herr Vonnegut. And so it goes ….

        • Irish Sweetness

          Hitler was pretty stupid. He just had to bomb the Brits’ airfields and factories for another week or so and their war was over in 1940. Against his General’s advice he switched targeting to the cities, giving the Brits’ an opportunity to retool. He fucked up bigtime. That would have left Europe and the rest of the world entirely under his control, with the Americans still pulling their plums across the Atlantic.

  • BearDown100393

    You know the natives are experiencing severe pre-draft restlessness when posting about Hitler.

    If Jay were still around, this would not be happening.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    “Mike Glennon’s ceiling is Matt Ryan. Who would you rather have? Matt Ryan or Jay Cutler. I would rather have Matt Ryan.”
    –Greg Cosell, Senior Producer, NFL Films since 1980.

    http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2014/01/02/audio-greg-cosell-from-nfl-filmsstill-likes-mike-glennon/

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      “What is a better sandwich – peanut butter or jelly…. I want BOTH!”

      –some kid in the early 1900’s

    • BerwynBomber

      Whoa, Nellie. I’m fine with the Glennon move (and finally moving on from Cutler). But Ryan just won the league MVP.

      I would say Glennon’s ceiling is in the next tier above Cutler. And his floor is Sanchize (w/out the post-season resume).

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        I think the Matt Ryan comp comes from Glennon’s coaches at NC State. That same coaching staff was at Boston College when Matt Ryan played there. His coaches thought the similarities were apparent and were puzzled why 2013 draft analysts didn’t see it that way.

        Pace seems to buy into the upside and he has clearly thought so for years given rumors that he tried to trade for him. Let’s see if it all pans out.

      • Yes, but if you remember not too long ago, Matty Ice was not viewed as elite. AT ALL.

        He was lumped into that Lesbo/Bradford tier.

        Throwing to the best WR in the NFL doesn’t hurt either.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I’m still not convinced Ryan is elite. Just when people starting comping Glennon to him, probably wise to toss in a few caveats. Pre-MVP Ryan being one.

        • SC Dave

          MVP. End of story.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dafuq? REALLY? Wow. Julio Jones is good.

    • BearDown100393

      Matt Ryan?

      When he was in high school maybe.

      • SC Dave

        What? Ryan was better last season than any Bears QB ever.

        • BearDown100393

          Yeah he was. Glennon’s ceiling is Ryan at HS level.

        • Irish Sweetness

          When Matty goes 25-0 as a starter …..

    • Irish Sweetness

      Who’s talking about Cutler? Let it go, man.

  • So, that D article GP posted made me dig a bit.

    If we’re working under the assumption that Pace wants to recreate Fangio’s SF D, then we have to look at the blueprint.

    SF. Justin Smith. That DE which usu lines up over the TE and gobbles two blocks (even if he must hold).
    CHI. Hicks

    SF. OLB/rush. Aldon Smith. An athletic freak who can not only rush, but run-stop and cover
    CHI. Floyd

    SF. SS. Hitner. A savvy vet with questionable cover skills but can bring the wood
    CHI. Amos, but NFL has changed, so now Demps

    FS. Goldson. 6’2 200 who mainly covers but can punch. (Fangio tends to prefer his secondary bigger)
    CHI. ? Hooker def has the frame, but not exactly a hammer.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1700498-comparing-49ers-rookie-safety-eric-reid-to-former-starter-dashon-goldson

    SF. Ray McDonald. A 6’3 275 pd “DE” who functions as a sorta hybrid 5tech/3tech

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=10544&draftyear=2007&genpos=de

    CHI. Bullard. – Jonathan Allen? (both of their metrics near clones of McDonald)

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=126555&draftyear=2017&genpos=DE

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122266&draftyear=2016&genpos=de

    I can already hear MB complaining behind his crusty cack-ring.

    So, yes, going by the 9er blueprint, Adams would fit Fangio’s S paradigm.

    FS Goldson ran a 4.60, so Adams is def fast enough.Goldson had decent cover and tackling skills (not superb) like Adams.

    Fangio also would prefer interchangeable safeties since his D stresses disguising and flexibility.

    Thus I can envision Demps and Adams flipping FS/SS positions, maybe even down to down.

    The other point that struck me from GPs link is that the ILBs in SF were athletic freaks since they need to be more than hammers. They must be able to blitz and cover like Bowman and Willis.

    Don’t know if we roster that (even with Freeman), so maybe Foster a dark horse esp in a trade down scenario.

    However, Bowman was discovered later, and teams like the ‘Hawks frequently draft SPARQ freaks in later rds in order to mold (Kwiat?).

    • King of DBB

      I answered down below.

      Going Hicks – Jenkins – Goldman as the starting 3 down guys would be pretty god damn effective given all were healthy and firing. That is 1000 pounds+ of man-meat, just like Waffle likes it. Goldman and Hicks should draw doubles, that gives Jenkins playing 2-gap the ability to wheelhouse the center and should let either McPhee or Floyd isolate.

      I don’t think a blocking back can handle either with a head of steam. SHould allow Freeman to run to the sidelines.

      Problem is, behind that you have squat. Unless you honestly think Sutton can handle 40-50% of all snaps at NT, you would be pressed to get another NT in the draft if you wanted to use Goldman’s length and power.

      • Yeah, we’re extremely thin at Dline.

        Hicks goes down, and we’re back to HOFer FB Unrein.

        That’s why I don’t get abstaining from Hankins. He’s not AP, but Fuck it. Do it.

        One less draft pick we need to address a need.

        • willbest

          The greatest tragedy about our D-line is we have a HoF FB there instead of playing well.. fullback.

          • We’ll prolly cut him. Pats will pick him up. They’ll make him a FB and run for about 2,500 yds.

            In the final play of the SB with 5 secs left, Brady will jump on Unrein’s back, score the game winning TD, then ride off on him into the tunnels and onto the GOAT sunset

            #SoBears

    • Bender McLugh

      Freeman fills one LB spot, definitely need another. Tre has been healthy for only a few games, need more

      • Freeman did look impressive. Omnipresent. He won’t bat down passes or carry wheel routes, but he’ll be hip-to-hip with the HB/TE

        I can see why they went for Kwiat. He has the measurables. But I think he has more “long” speed than quick twitch explosion like Willis/Bowman.

        That’s where Foster might come in.

        • Bender McLugh

          Kwiat seems to play smaller than he is, or he’s just that small. But I like him, hope he takes anither steps this season

          • CanadaBear

            Totally agree. He plays about 15 lbs smaller than this.

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2581818/nick-kwiatkoski

          • Agree. Kwiat has the prototypical size for ILB.

            But he doesn’t seem to wallop ppl. This is mainly due to above – he’s not “twitchy”.

            He can’t explode through ball-carriers like Willis/Bowman.

            Maybe some NFL training, along with more familiarity with the playbook, progresses him, but violent explosion is usu something a defender either has or doesn’t (see Conte getting dragged by AP).

          • SC Dave

            We’re all hoping Kwiat makes the big step this year. Make it so, Nick!

          • leftcoast dave

            Give the Yutes a chance. How much does the first off season do for building up the body of a college athlete? I guess that depends upon your coaching staff.

          • Kwiat was a S. Lach was too, and never was known for being a thumper, though obviously he still excelled.

            Maybe that’s part of the reason. He’s used to getting 5yd head starts, and in the middle, everything is shortened. HIs reaction time must be instant.

            In short, his instincts must be honed. That should be able to make him more quickly recognize, react and barrel downhill.

            The BAM highlights are extra.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Y’know .. .seeing as he played safety .. .maybe … y’know … he could lose a few pounds … and y’know ….

    • leftcoast dave

      Like it, but Hall also be that FS dude. That is why he was drafted, but despite being seriously injured most of the year, they did give him some time at CB and was damn good in a short field. But his speed and freakish length are made for FS, imho.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hall and Glenn were closing fuckers down in PS. Man coverage. Press. I had high hopes.

        6’2? I’m dying to see what he’s got at FS.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This – so much this. I never got the Fangio love. It’s his system when he can do that with no-names. Any defense full of studs will be good.

  • Moses Christ.

    Just watched the UA vid.

    https://twitter.com/UAVPILOT07/status/851472609942351877

    Best/worst part of the vid?

    Someone in the background (prolly the meathead pig) saying , “good job”.

    If they had any sense of drama, they should’ve refrained, “Nothing to see here.”

    • BearDown100393

      And the sheep lay motionless while one of its own was slaughtered by the wolves.

      • Meh. That’s a tough situation in an airplane.

        For all the passengers knew, dude had a shoe-bomb, then the “hero” quickly becomes the villain who intervened to protect terrorist and is sent to federal ass-pounding prison for the next 20 yrs.

        I’m sure none of the passengers thought, ‘Hmph. UA must’ve overbooked’.

        • BearDown100393

          I thought the story was UA asked the cabin if anyone would volunteer to deboard for a grand and a free hotel room?

          • Yeah, I read up on that.

            I thought they went in and just dragged the poor fellow out.

            Still, isn’t fighting with security (who might be a Marshall) in an airplane a felony? Dunno.

            That would def slow my roll.

          • willbest

            Art of the Deal. He should have said $20000 and a hotel and I will come quietly and these fine people with their cameras pulled out won’t tank the company stock 10% by tomorrow’s opening bell.

          • I’m sure he has a multi-million $ suit lined up now.

            Fuck. Wish that were me!

            How do you say “ka ching” in asian?

          • BearDown100393

            The “poor fellow” has a history you can read up on. How relevant that is to what happened on the plan is mute (to me anyway). But he might be playing with a short deck.

          • beninnorcal

            He’s a practicing doctor from what I hear.

          • willbest

            I read somewhere they pulled his licenses. This is irrelevant though. The only question is how did he conduct himself in the moment.

          • Wasn’t he a Dr?

            Hmmmm

          • leftcoast dave

            That would be “moot” fyi. And no, doctors prescribing opiates to junkies is not someone playing with a short deck, he is a drug dealer masked in respectability.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I did that in Bahrain. Fuck it, I got to see what Bahrain was like. I was put up in a hotel, went down to the empty bar, then it started to fill up with U.S. servicemen and hookers. I was on my way back from Ireland and had a ton of cash in pocket from the horses. Good night.

    • beninnorcal

      I think the people saying good job were being sarcastic, that’s how it sounded to me anyway.

  • King of DBB

    PlayStation notification yesterday:

    DocNitty has reached his personal best in Madden 17 Challenge mode!

    Congrats Doc

  • leftcoast dave

    Happiness: a double shot of Jameson Caskmates with three small ice cubes.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Sacrilege.

  • How hard is it to find gems?

    Player 1………..Player 2
    6’0 242…………6’2 243

    40 time: 4.77….4.73
    20 dash: 2.74…2.73
    10 dash : 1.67..1.62

    Bench: 26……..19
    Vert: 29 1/2……32
    Broad: 9’07……10’00

    20 Shutt: 4.59..4.22
    3-cone: 6.91…..7.16

    Player 1. Rated 12 out of 159 OLBs. (91over all)
    Player 2. Rated 11 out of 201 OLBs (115 over all)

    Who would you draft just on pure numbers?

    Player 1. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64621&draftyear=2010&genpos=OLB

    Player 2. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=96099&draftyear=2016&genpos=ILB

    • leftcoast dave

      I’d draft beer, not kids.

    • willbest

      I love me some 3-cone. And 1 has upperbody endurance, but that is a pretty big difference in lower body explosiveness.

      • That’s the thing. The vert and broad jump are supposed to reflect lower body explosiveness, so you’d figure that prospect would have more initial burst, esp when you factor in the faster times overall (3 cone measure agility more than speed)

        But somehow that didn’t translate. So 1 of 2 things happened I theorize.

        1. Player 1’s instincts make up for the overall slightly slower times.

        Instincts are infamously difficult to measure unless you somehow put a stop clock to every college play and see exactly how fast a defender reacts and avg it overall. And even then it would be somewhat subjective

        2. Player 1 went on PEDs and suped up.

        That’s something that perhaps no one openly discuses. Maybe some players take PEDs (or whatever) and that turns a 4rth rder into a PBer, while the other 4rth rder follows the rules and remains a special teamer.

        There’s also the other possibility that perhaps PEDs amp up 1 player more than another.

        One remains regular Bane, while the other transforms into monster Bane

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuzzN94v9E

        • Big Mike

          I’d go with instinct. The most undervalued characteristic. Instinct is the difference between a guy who is track fast and a guy who makes plays. A 4.7 becomes a 4.3 when he reads the play instantly and is moving. A fast player who blinks becomes a 4.9 guy.

    • SC Dave

      Love the comparison… nice.

      • leftcoast dave

        It is really fun when you think of how the ILB position has morphed to a cover position. Kwiz was a FS who added weight to move to ILB. Got the speed and length to cover the TEs as well as RBs out of the backfield. Mike n Ike game?

    • leftcoast dave

      I love the bench vs vert comparison.

    • King of DBB

      #WatchTheDamnFilm

    • Big Mike

      More of a miss on player 1.

  • Shady

    Anyone watching the ESPN special on Bears fans? I have to laugh at these die hards living and dying with each possession. I haven’t cared that much in years. I guess Cutty’s DON’T CARE attitude transferred to me via osmosis when it came to this team. Wake me up when this organization gets their shit together.

    • I say give Pace a chance at nailing his HC/QB.

      He inherited both and is trying to make lemonade out of lemons.

      Both Fox and Glennon are on notice, so we’ll see how it goes.

      2017 Bears slogan: Care again

      Also, apparently GP is already FF scouting! that dodgy bastard.

      Or, he’s just practicing using his cack-ring while watching that hot chick who hosts the show.

      Prolly a lil of both.

      • King of DBB

        she makes me tingle.

      • leftcoast dave

        Really, the Care Bears?

    • willbest

      2010 was the last time I lived and died on each play. Before that it was 06. Basically, the division round is when shit gets really real.

      • Big Mike

        I’m still pretty intense, but not for wins/losses. I’m looking at the talent. The Bears were not as bad as their record. Injuries, youth, etc. They’ll be better this year. 7-9 wins.

        • leftcoast dave

          Playoffs, baby!

  • Ososfan

    Most of you forgot Daniel Braverman, Waffle, watch, he’ll be productive this year.. In the words of our old, one-year-wonder WR coach: “that’s a starter right there!”

    • Irish Sweetness

      If we draft Zay jones … he gone.

      • Ososfan

        🙁

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      NO ONE FORGETS THE FUTURE HOFer BRAVERMAN!!!!

    • Big Mike

      No. He’s an emergency wide receiver at best.

      • Ososfan

        We shall see, Big Mike!

        • Big Mike

          Hopefully he’s something. But I don’t think he is. What I really hope for is that he’s not playing by default because we don’t have any healthy talent to put on the field.
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    • leftcoast dave

      Agree.

  • King of DBB
    • leftcoast dave

      Saw him at the Cabooze and many other venues. Great band.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Angel is a centerfold ….

  • leftcoast dave
    • King of DBB

      6’5″, 297, Utah orphan with a vicious mean streak

      http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/garett-bolles?id=2558014

      I’m intrigued.

    • If Bolles is drafted in the 2nd, he’ll likely start at RT.
      It was no secret that the past two seasons Pace looked to upgrade that position.

      Both Massie and Leno looked servicable, but if Pace truly wants to make Oline our identity, then Bolles might be the call in the 2nd.

      However, I don’t agree that Pox will go D/O-line in the 2nd just because.

      I think the last two drafts those guys just happened to provide best value.

      So if a S or CB fall in this draft who are BPA, Pace will pounce regardless of history.,

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ve been chipping away at this for a while. If we draft an OT then it almost has to be in the 2nd because of the shortage of decent tackles in the draft. They just won’t be around later on. This blows defensively, but if you want a tackle ….. that’s your second round.

        But I’m sweet on Engram too, I don’t envy Pace in this draft. Tough decisions.

        • Big Mike

          Pace trades picks to get another 2nd round pick?

          • leftcoast dave

            If he can, you gotta know he will. Fantasy land is to flip with the Jets for Trub, then again with the Panthers for Fournette. Then again, and again and again. Might have to play limbo, though, as everybody in the top five seems ready to play. If I had to bet, I would bet those flips do not get the same “value” on the “chart” as in years past, but with the high value of the players available deep in this draft, it will still be worth doing.

          • Big Mike

            I would hope we don’t get out of the first 7-8 spots. I really want Jamal Adams. If we could slide back to 8 get Adams and pick up anything close to the top of the 2nd round. Wow.

            3 in the top 50 picks or something like that. With that kind of leverage if his guy is sitting there at 40, he can move up ten by swapping late round picks.

          • leftcoast dave

            6 in the top 100? That is doable with four already there. (Is the high fourth there or did the compensatory picks drop it out of the top 100?) Would sure pimp out the roster with DB, OL, DL, LB, TE and another DB.

          • Big Mike

            That would be nice, I was looking at trying to get an extra pick, early 2nd round. After that batch of players, no clue who is who.

      • Big Mike

        He could be an LT. Maybe not year 1. But he could do it.

    • Big Mike

      Yes.. Man if he was there in the 3rd. What a score. Even early 2nd. But there is so much 1st round talent that will be available at our pick in the 2nd round. This is where you hope Pace can trade back into the 2nd round.

  • King of DBB
  • King of DBB
  • Sahr Gborie

    Has anyone noticed that in his first two drafts Pace has gone Freak Athlete followed by two linemen?

    2015 (R1 – Kevin White, R2 – Eddie Goldman, R3 – Hroniss Grasu)
    2016 (R1 – Leonard Floyd, R2 – Cody Whitehair, R3 – Jonathan Bullard)

    If he follows this pattern again who would you want him to draft?

    OJ Howard or Jamal Adams – RD1 Freak Athlete
    you cant go wrong with either player. they can start from day one and make an immediate impact

    OT – Garrett Bolles – RD2 – Lineman
    our o-line would be 2nd best to dallas. j.howard can run wild

    DT – Jaleel Johnson – RD3 – Lineman
    out defense just moved into the top 5

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m feeling the Bolles.

      • Sahr Gborie

        thank you sir i will re-post in the new article

  • leftcoast dave
  • Timothy Clark

    If the bears stick to the trade value chart then they should do well. If I were the g.m. I would call the browns. Trade the #3 pick for the browns #12 and both of the browns 2nd round picks. Bears still can get a solid player and fill roster holes.

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