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Across The Middle: Pace Was Sunday’s Big Winner

| December 13th, 2017

No Bear had a better day Sunday than General Manager Ryan Pace.

His quarterback was in control throughout the game. His tight end made big catches. His running backs did whatever the hell they wanted because the offensive line he built paved the way.  His offense dominated and he’s going to be able to use that tape to sell the future to fans and his next head coach.

I have ruled out guys like Jim Harbaugh and Josh McDaniels for the Bears job simply because they’re going to want to be able to pick the players. The last two years the hottest coaches all got personnel say. That’s a trend that isn’t going to end and would generally make the Bears job less attractive. Pace, however, just might have shown the world that he knows what he’s doing and it might be enough for the premier coaches to trust him.

Pace still has a lot of work to do. Nobody should be fooled by what they saw on Sunday. The Bears were able to do what they did because they had more talent than the Bengals; a team coming off of a short week without five defensive starters. But when we see a dominating performance like that, there’s reason to believe he can finish the job.

Forget the coaching. Last Sunday was about the players. It’s about Trubisky not taking bad sacks. Shaheen being able to get down the field and separate from defenders. Cohen and Howard running decisively. They showed they can do it. They showed us and they showed whoever their next coach is going to be.

The Kid Is Gonna Be Alright

The most important thing this season is the development of Mitch Trubisky and we’re really seeing it.

Since the bye week, Trubisky has completed 64.1 percent of his passes and averaged 199 yards per game. But his improvement is about more than just numbers. After taking a handful of bad sacks against the Packers, he’s almost eliminated them. After his erratic accuracy against the Eagles, he’s completed 79 percent of his passes. We’re seeing a guy who recognizes where he has to improve and immediately makes the improvements. That’s so incredibly rare.

We know Trubisky can play at an NFL level, which is something many of the guys who proved to be busts couldn’t say at this point. Now, we need to see him do it consistently. If he can play like he did Sunday 12 times a year, it won’t matter who the Bears coach is because they’re going to win a lot of games.

Expanding Shaheen’s Package

It’s difficult for fans to understand exactly how far Adam Shaheen has come in a few months. It took a lot of work from the coaching staff just to get him to the point where they could survive with him on the field. Most of camp and preseason was spent working on him to become a capable blocker. The passing game had to be secondary.

He has natural receiving skills, but he isn’t a freak athlete like Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates and he doesn’t understand routes or concepts that go with the passing game. In college, he could just run out there and win because he was bigger than everyone. He can’t do that in the NFL.

Then, of course, there’s the playbook. The Bears would love to have Shaheen on the field for every play, but he doesn’t know every play. Dowell Loggains admitted as much last week when said the Bears were trying to “expand his package.”

The fact that Shaheen has been able to contribute like he did on Sunday was a very good sign for the Bears. Fans need to remember he’s a Division II tight end who has come a long way and still has a long way to go.

The Best Who Ever Did It

I remember when Devin Hester was a rookie averaging 22 yards per punt return in preseason. I didn’t want to make too much of it. Then he returned a punt for a touchdown in their opener. Then he kept doing it seemingly every time a team kicked to him.

What YouTube clips won’t show is the hidden yardage. For most of his career, teams simply stopped kicking to him. They’d gladly kick the ball high and short or out of bounds simply so Hester wouldn’t touch the ball. There hasn’t been another player who has had that impact returning kicks before or since.

Bring on the Lions

I’m excited to see Trubisky in this game. It’s the first time he will play the same opponent twice in a season and I want to see what he’s learned.

I expect that the Lions will play well. Despite the fact that he appears to not have a pulse, Jim Caldwell has really brought stability to the team. They have quite a few good offensive players, but the Bears should be able to move the ball on them.

The Bears ran the ball well against Detroit last time, so Fox will surely try to do so again. I’d rather see them spread them out and take advantage of the lack of depth in their secondary and pass rush. Put the ball in Mitch’s hands and tell him to win the game. Let’s see what the kids has.

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    Hey Data,

    Can you do a comparison with MT’s play so far and where he sits on your “successful QB” metrics?

    May be a decent article 🙂

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  • BearDown100393

    Trubisky appears to be on the correct path. Time will tell.

    No doubt, the Cincy game was a good one across the board for the Bears. A lot of work still needs to be completed.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It was good practice for him beating up on a backup secondary and no Burfict, good practice is good … but the Bengals are bad right now.

      • SC Dave

        And the Lions are not “bad”, so this week should tell us something.

        What I don’t want to see is a lot of mistakes – turnovers that are just dumb, and mind-numbing penalties.

        Be disciplined and play good fundamental football.

        My eyes will be on Compton a fair amount when I get to the replays; I think he will be serviceable, an attribution that one could not assign to Long over the past few games.

        • BearDown100393

          There are no acceptable reasons whatsover for the Bears to lose this game.

      • Bear Instincts

        you get better by first learning to beat the teams you are supposed to beat like a bad Bengals team

      • BearDown100393

        I look at this way. The Bears have had a terrible season overall. And I’ve harped long and loud about losing. No other team in the NFL cares about Bears injuries. Chicago was banged up also. Our guys flat out kicked a** in a regular season game against an opponent on the schedule. FULL KUDOS. We won.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          poor Bengals… they accepted failure.

          • BearDown100393

            Yes they did. They laid down on home field before empty seats.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’ll follow up last week’s win prediction with ….. another win. Unfortunately – and why I was not entirely enamored in the aftermath of the victory – every win now moves us further away from Saquon Barkley, slated to go to SF in the #3 slot. But we might get Bradley Chubb. Walter have us going Connor Martin OT at 6.

    • Bear Instincts

      why would we take a RB in the 1st round? is something wrong with howard & tarik?

      • Scharfinator

        Irish believes RB is the most important position in FB 😛

        • Bear Instincts

          um ok

          • Scharfinator

            Not sure how long you’ve been on this blog, but Irish is always big on RB’s. We don’t entirely understand why.

          • SC Dave

            It’s remnants of boyhood hero worship of Walter, I’m sure.

          • Bear Instincts

            I like his second pick. The Chubb kid looks like he has the makings of a monster. Him and Floyd could wreck havoc for years to come. But the Orland Brown (OT) kid from Oklahoma looks like a nice blindside protector at 6-foot-8, and 340-something pounds

          • Big Mike

            Too soon. Games to play. Months of draft silliness to follow.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Brown sounds like a mountain of man-meat, so Irish would approve of him.

        • Big Mike

          and blitzing is the only proper defense.

    • Big Mike

      Irish, Irish, Irish.. There are still 10-15 guys who could be first round picks that haven’t even declared yet.

      • leftcoastdave

        Going to be a deep draft class with emphasis on class. My choice would be Edge, OT one and two.

    • leftcoastdave

      You guys getting down on Irish for his RB love don’t get it. Irish has classical Greek taste for the perfect form. The power built, muscular RB is the epitome of that perfect form rising above and smashing through the defenders with strength and speed. That we have other needs is open to debate, but the love of the great running back is pure power football.

    • BearDown100393

      I’ll worry about the draft after the season ends.

      Still games to be played.

      And to be won.

  • SC Dave

    Yes Andrew, it would be good if the game plan stays open. You may recall that the first Detroit game was when Fox first unfettered MT. It was the best game of the season for the O until last Sunday.

    Just could not slow down Stafford enough to win. A potential problem again, actually.

    • Big Mike

      Great coaches don’t fight the last war. Detroit will adjust to what the Bears did and are doing. What would the Packers do. They’d attack matchups with different looks than they’ve shown, they’d have 3-5 plays that were new and they would pounce early.

      • SC Dave

        At times, however, coaches are limited by available personnel. The defensive backfield looked pretty solid last game, but Dalton is no Stafford. Fangio needs to comes up with ways to get more pressure on the passer.

        On offense, I think we’ll have a couple of new wrinkles. I am not a subscribed to the “birdcage” silliness – Loggains has shown some imagination and I expect to see it increase as Trubisky continues to improve.

        • Big Mike

          It’s perplexing the game plan and play calling for 10 of the 13 games played so far were amateurish. Two of those were insanely awful. But we’ve seen the creativity this year and last. I can find no pattern as to when the Bears will run a sophisticated NFL offense. I’ve not looked, but I’d be willing to bet, it has a lot to do with getting past the “scripted” plays and the number of plays the Bears offense runs during the competitive portion of the game.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Their “scripted” plays have sucked in a lot of games. just poor play calling.

          • Big Mike

            You could make a case that the scripted plays are most influenced by Fox and the game plan. Another reason for hope.

          • leftcoastdave

            I would argue it has everything to do with a) the O line issues due to injury and b) learning up MT to read the D while adding options in the O. Crawling before walking and running.

          • Big Mike

            Those are good arguments. If the OL is solid again against Detroit, we’ll know that Kyle Long was actually hurting them. Compton is a capable player. The more reps he gets the better the OL will be. On the OL the whole is > than the sum of the parts. On MT, in other words bringing the QB along slowly. 🙂 Where have we heard that before?

          • Scharfinator

            I think our line has been shit most of the year. Playing hurt guys has not been paying off.

          • Big Mike

            The OL has been inconsistent. But their performance is almost predictable. I’ve been right almost every week for the last 8 weeks with my OL predictions for the game to the guys I watch with. It’s entirely based on the health of the guys playing, where they are playing and how many weeks they’ve been in that exact position. When the left side of the line is Leno and Sitton with Whitehair at Center, they’ve been able to run the ball left. On the right side if the RG has played and practiced there for more than a week, they can hold their ground, which allows the running game to work. What’s terrible is a guy not practicing all week and then playing hurt, or even worse a guy practices all week, takes all the reps and can’t go. Sowers got tossed in one week, Grasu got tossed in another week If the right side is Compton and Massie, we’re fine. For the last two years, even when healthy, I believe the Bears have a substantially higher Yards per carry going left. There could be a lot or reasons for that, not just Leno/Sitton being > RG/Massie. Right handed QB, back side line doing a better job getting downfield with 2nd level blocks etc.

        • Bender McLugh

          blitz blits blitz!!! heh kidding

  • Bear Instincts

    Pace has always been the winner. This game simply validated what he has been preaching: fill holes through FA so you can build through the draft. Now lets hope that no one overreacts and reverts to how Sundays win was a fluke if we lose to the Lions.

    • Big Mike

      While some of his FA moves haven’t worked out due to injury, lack of talent etc, NONE of them have come with BAD contracts. It’s almost like he knew his young core would be ready in a few years and he’d just stay afloat during that time with short term “budget” type contracts. No big splurges. Made it tough in the short run, but maybe next year we turn the corner and hit the gas.

      • Bear Instincts

        NONE of them have come with BAD contracts — this is exactly why I’m not mad about the FA’s who did not work out. He has said that he will not overpay for FA talent and he has stuck to his word except in the case of the Giraffe Gaffe. But even that is a 1 year deal. I wonder who will backup MT10 in 2018?

        • Big Mike

          It will be interesting to see who is the back up. You wonder if Sanchez has anything left at all. I don’t think they ever intended for him to do anything, except in the case of an emergency. I forget what Glennon’s deal in yr 2 is. They could cut and resign Glennon on a backup deal. But face it, if Trubisky.. not even going to say it. Right now my perspective is that everything is going to be rosy in 2018. Even Kevin White might contribute. Kyle Long gets healthy and so on and so on.

          • CanadaBear

            They will cut Glennon and pay him the $2.5 mil he is due. Who knows what happens after that. I read a piece on Inman and he said Glennon helped him get settled and threw to him a lot on the side. Sounds like Glennon is the ideal teammate. TB was offering $8 mil last year trying to keep him as a backup.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Meh. Any backup QB would do that. I’m sure he’s a nice guy. But he offers the Bears nothing. They should keep Sanchez and find another #2 if there even is one.

          • Bear Instincts

            from our keyboard to papa bears ears. expectations for 2018:
            k.white will contribute even if in a reduced role
            k.long will be healthy and possibly moved to center to save his career since the line seems to play better without him (due to his injury)
            sign a #1 & #2 FA WR
            draft a WR to grow with MT10
            draft a DE to partner with Floyd
            resign k.fuller to a long term deal of franchise tag him

          • SC Dave

            Would you stop with the stupid notion of moving Long to center? He will NOT be better than Whitehair. You do NOT downgrade positions.

        • Depends what you mean by “bad contracts”

          If you mean FAs can be cut with relatively little cap hit, then yeah.

          If you mean FAs aren’t under-performing, or straight out busts, then no.

          Glennon alone cost the cap $8M this yr.

          Wheaton charging $3M per catch (NOT an exaggeration)

          Cooper $3M

          Demps $2.5M

          Simms $2M

          http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/cap/

          So essentially, Pace has flushed $18.5M down the toilet this yr (and that’s not even counting the other FA fliers like Cruz).

          I would consider those “bad contracts”

          That being said, they can be cut (though it will be dead $ in 2018).

          I’m more worried about his eyes for FAs.

          We as fans gotta trust that same brain that said, “Glennon is worth a 3 yr $45M contract” and thought guys like Royal, Wheaton, and Barf were long-term solutions to say nothing of his reluctance to sign truly elite FAs as opposed to 1yr injured bargain-bin specials.

          I like the way Pace’s 2 last drafts are trending, but his 2 last FA classes aren’t trending up IMO.

          • willbest

            Pace’s FA MO seems to pay players more than they are worth for the privilege of moving on from them the following year. This is probably a result of spending so much time in NO dealing with cap hell.

          • Big Mike

            You’re missing the point. Bad Contract and a FA that didn’t work out are two different things. A lot of the FAs that didn’t work out were plug ins to round out the roster, create competition and hopefully get lucky.

            They paid the market rate for a QB, with a team friendly deal. There weren’t a lot of great options.

            As for his eye for free agents, he went big on ILB and hit on both Freeman and Trevathan. Freeman can’t stay healthy, but that’s not a knock on Pace’s “eye”. Most of the guys Pace has taken were gambles with known issues and those issues were reflected in the price he paid and the deals he could make that didn’t strap the Bears.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Freeman can’t keep a needle out of his ass.

          • Big Mike

            He’s a bad boy.

          • Bear Instincts

            you have to find a way to reconcile that the guy who had the great drafts also had the piss poor FA haul. I tend to look at FA as a rental that i can return where as the draft is not. I would rather rent a bunch of sub par cars than buy a lemon (k.white)

          • SC Dave

            Since Pace has said all along that he wants to build primarily through the draft, it makes sense to assume that his priority for scouting upgrades would be for looking at college players, not NFL players.

            Hopefully, there will be improvements on the NFL side coming too.

            Also, I don’t know how much scouts make – it may be more difficult to induce them to leave another team and come work for you when the salaries being wave around are six digits or fewer.

            Rome was not built in a day.

          • willbest

            Pace cut his teeth as a pro NFL scout though. So his regular misses in that department leads to the question, what the hell?

          • SC Dave

            It is reasonable to assume he does not have the time to look at players as he did when a scout. Hence, he has to trust the judgment of the people he has in place to do the job.

            And that goes back to priority in hiring – perhaps his emphasis has been on getting college scouts. Maybe he thought he could help handle the pro scouting himself and either:
            – is not good at it
            – does not have the time/energy to do it right

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I just took a look at the dead money situation. Besides Glennon, which will give us about 4.5 mill in dead money, everyone else you mentioned if cut would be at or under 1mill each in dead money. So if we if we cut all guys mentioned our dead money will still be under 10 mill.

            Also I used to worry about dead money, it just seems bad. However Data did an analysis a year or 2 ago that basically pointed out that it really does not affect the success of the teams. He showed there was really no correlation between the amount of dead money and playoff teams.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I am ok with the fliers he took on Cooper and Demps and everyone else. The Bears have been in the mix to get big FAs, they were reported in on Gilmore and Norman the last couple years along with other.

            Either Pace decided the price was too high at the time or they went to other teams for their own reasons. That stuff is going to happen.

            But cap space does roll over from year to year, which will allow Pace to ‘overspend’ on some big names when he feels the time is right, my assumption is starting next year. With Glennon gone the Bears will have 0ver 60 mill in cap space next year.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I said basically the same thing earlier this year. I expect some decent to big splurges in FA this next off season. It’s time to start getting more studs onto this team instead of the fliers he has been taking on guys.

        • Big Mike

          That’s some good foresight. The middle of the road, quantity over quality provided mixed results. When he signed Freeman and Trevathan that was a bit bigger of a splurge. 1 home run and 1 could have been hr. I’ve not kept track of the ½ dozen safeties and DBs he got at the dollar store. But I’m impressed with what Akumura has left in the tanks. Dontrelle Inman was playing good as well. Although his injury put Amos on the field, where he’s doing a lot better with his second shot. At some point you have to add top end talent. The draft should be 75% of the talent.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      No one overreacts on this blog EVER!

      • Bear Instincts

        you are right. don’t know what i was thinking

      • Shut up you knobslobberer!

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        We really need to get back to the discussion regarding ownership firings. I feel like we wandered astray of the narrative.

        • Bear Instincts

          winning cures all

        • SC Dave

          We lose Saturday, and you’ll feel home again.

          • willbest

            shit the game is on Saturday…. Fuck you NFL.

  • leftcoastdave

    Yup. Nailed it. Pace has done a textbook rebuild starting with the trenches and LB’s. Got his RB’ and Safeties in the 4th and 5th. Paid up for his QB and drafted his TE high, knowing both needed to be trained up to this level but had the skill set and size for the NFL. Also look at the depth in the trenches when players return next year from IR.
    A great rebuild with a strong young core.

    • BearDown100393

      Maybe.

      Definitely if progress builds after defeating Cincinnati.

    • evantonio

      “drafted his TE high”

      But did he need to get him in the 2nd round?

      • SC Dave

        He is hoping for Jimmy Graham.

        What I remember about Shaheen in the draft is that other teams had eyes on him, and it was considered unlikely he would have lasted until the third round.

        Patience with Adam will be needed. He seems to be coming along.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • willbest

      Sounds like the start of a joke at any rate.

    • A drunk, a douche , and a brain damaged ex athlete walk into a bar…

  • fishing florida

    wow, the Dolphins game the other night was amazing. Jay looks damn good in the aqua marine uni’s. sorry i haven’t posted sooner but i have been extremely dehydrated from the marathon jerk off session I had after seeing Jay play.

    • BearDown100393

      NE is prone to sh*tting the bed in Miami. It was discussed on the broadcast.

      Full props to the Fins. They brought it to them all game.

      • fishing florida

        they played NE??? sorry i was too focused on my all time favorite nfl player, that sexy man named Jay Cutler.

        • Irish Sweetness

          (puts down non-alcoholic beer on bar)

          Hey Bebbe ……

      • leftcoastdave

        Not to mention Miami beating our beloved to end the undefeated season on Monday night.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It was mentioned BEFORE the game …. on HERE.

    • Bear Instincts

      can we resign jay as the backup to MT10? hahahahaha as i duck for cover

      • BearDown100393

        Jay can provide color in the booth while dressed for the game.

      • I think Cutler is the best back-up in the league.
        If I were a contending team with an inj-prone QB, I would absolutely sign him as backup.

        His biggest drawbacks are consistency and injuries.

        He doesn’t have to worry about either as a back-up.

        All he has to do is come in mid-game or something – and become good Jay to win a playoff game or two.

        If I were the Titans, I would make him the highest paid backup.

        1. Mariotta seems fragile
        2. Mariotta’s no sure thing even when healthy.
        3. Titans are run heavy with decent D
        4. Cutler-Ten connection.

        • willbest

          As long as there is a lake for him to stand naked by and stare off in quiet contemplation, Jay will be content anywhere.

          • fishing florida

            Where is that lake? I need to find that lake. I would love to spy on him standing naked. dammit i got my juices flowing again. I will be back later i have to take care of some ummm business.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I thought backing up Mariota was always the best spot for him given his Nashville love.

      • BerwynBomber

        Cutler never wanted to be a back-up. In fact, It is highly doubtful he even wanted to be a bridge.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s what a smart GM would have done. Instead … Glennon.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Join us on Friday’s Florida … we’ll have a new segment where we share thoughts or insights we had when rubbing one out.

  • Bear Instincts

    https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/12/13/16761884/otis-wilson-chicago-bears-von-miller-before-he-knew-anything-about-it-urlacher-ditka-briggs-trubisky

    Great article.

    Otis Wilson on “Kevin White – he’s been hurt the whole time. And when he is on the field he can’t get separation. From there on – you can’t blame it all on the coach.
    Seems to me, there’s enough blame to go around for everyone. My son coached as West Virginia and his (Kevin White’s) footspeed was, he just running past people. But when you get to the NFL, everybody fast, they all run with you, so you gotta change your game to get open. He got hurt every time he went out there but Fox is the scapegoat.”

    • willbest

      He was universally rated high. If we didn’t take him, a team would have taken him in the next 3 picks. I wanted Vic Beasley. We were in desperate need for Beasley. White was a luxury pick when we had AJ and had signed Royal, while still having Forte and Marty B as pass catching options.

      That is what makes White’s selection “offensive” it was 100% a BPA with zero regard for need, and when you do that, you are committing to them being NFL talent. White wasn’t, even when healthy. In fact, White not being healthy saves Pace from having to admit it was an epic misread.

      Now, I don’t really much care about that Pace made a mistake on his first draft. He was using Emery’s notes. That he got a starter in Goldman and a borderline starter in Amos was a minor miracle.

      What we are seeing is improvement from draft to draft, and that shows that he is at least learning from his mistakes.

      • Big Mike

        Amos, better than a borderline starter.

      • Big Mike

        Amos, better than a borderline starter.

        • willbest

          Perhaps. But after a promising rookie season he looked bad last year. In fairness he didn’t have a lot of help back there. I am inclined to believe what we have been getting is what happens when you get the whole unit functioning and not just some flash in the pan single season performance.

          • Big Mike

            He wasn’t ready to be the leader in the secondary. Even last year he played much better when a veteran was next to him. With a year of seasoning, he improved. With a strong cover guy like Jackson, his game is back on track. I would attribute his drop off last year to an overall collapse in the secondary. You see the same impact of Trevathan on Christian Jones. Christian has been a bright spot this year when he teams with Trevathan. When he’s asked to be “Trevathan” everything drops off for him

    • White WAS fast.

      He ran a 4.3 40.

      For his size, that’s phenomenal.

      But somehow that didn’t translate to the NFL. Maybe that metal rod slowed him down and sucked all his burst.

      Some guys also play faster on game day.

      Rice was the most infamous example. He ran like a 4.6 or something, but when he hit the field, all those 4.4 CBs couldn’t catch him.

      Just one of those things I guess. Adrenaline (or pills)

      • Irish Sweetness

        (puts hand up)
        I haven’t given up on Kev. We haven’t seen a lot of him. Consensus top two receiver of his class. Why would we cut him?

    • SC Dave
    • SC Dave

      Wilson sure is full of himself.

      • Bear Instincts

        cte left his mind stuck in the old days.

        • SC Dave

          It was the shuffle

    • willbest

      2017 has the makings of an epic draft if Trubisky pans out.

      Starting caliber QB, pass catching TE beast, top half starting safety, matchup nightmare change of pace back. Some scrub guard stashed on IR till next season.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s why I was arguing with GP when he was planting his conspiracy theory about Pace’s draft being designed to push the decision to keep or launch Pace down the road. GP wouldn’t consider the fact that these guys might pan out. I thought Pace was taking some real chances drafting the small school guys but I thought he was swinging for the fences. Shaheen was on a lot of top 50 lists pre-draft. Everyone that hated the pick kinda ignored that.

        Now, if he can just improve his batting avg in FA …

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          He doesn’t like to talk about that….

          • CanadaBear

            Not trying to be an ass about it. That’s certainly not uncommon. Kinda like Sac not being around on Monday after MT had a good game. The Gomer comments kinda lose their bite after MT plays well. Nothing against anyone. We’re all wrong at some point or other. Who cares? It’s all just opinions and hopefully some laughs!

          • SC Dave

            Trubs v Watson… who knows? The only known right now is MT is still on the field.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We’d have been fine with either, that’s the thing.

          • willbest

            Under the theory that Watson wouldn’t have blown out his ACL on the wonderfully kept Soldier Field?

          • CanadaBear

            Let’s see how they pan out first. Watson might be a completely different QB when he comes back. No guarantees when knees are involved.

        • Yeah, I wasn’t buying GPs conspiracy either, mostly because I thought that Pace was all but guaranteed to hire HIS next HC.

          Though as a Bear fan I can totally understand his cynicism. Sweaty Teddy is still employed after all, and these are the same geniuses who hired Trestman/Fox back to back.

          • CanadaBear

            100%

          • Bernie Accorsi

            GP was the first person to overtly state that nothing will change until Ginny croaks and the family individually cashed out their shares. Now everyone says it.

            GP was the first guy to lose his shit over Trestman and Emery when everyone else here told him to sit down and shut up and give Navy Phil a shot.

            GP converted 10k into 400k using bitcoin when everyone else here thought bitcoin was stupid

            GP is the only guy on the blog save for Waffle that MB stays in contact with.

            Seems like the guy is pretty damn smart

          • No one bats 1000

            And MB and I text from time to time, but that only increases my cock-ring knowledge

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            All this talk reminds me of the time GP told Johnnywad that “Trubisky will not play this season.”, and then was a complete dick about it. Ahhhhh the good old days. Good times.

          • SC Dave

            Take your masturbation back to the closet, eh? It’s fucking ugly out here.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hi GP. Can we have Jimmy back?

          • Bernie Accorsi

            What you don’t like Ernie?

            He looks like Steve Bannon’s slightly less alcoholic brother.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          I need a conspiracy theory that explains how Pace can accurately judge the talent and potential of Trubisky and yet not see the abandoned dumpster fire that is Mike Glennon.

          Maybe a theory that involves alien abduction and Pace being brainwashed.

          Or time travel.

          Bigfoot?

          Damn it.

          • CanadaBear

            I got nothing!

          • Big Mike

            Glennon was worse in the 4 games he played for the Bears than in any 4 game stretch in his career. Pace reasoned that he wasn’t horrible with Tampa, he scored well on the intangibles and he’s had 3-4 years to get better. Didn’t work.

          • SC Dave

            This.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            smoke screen?

        • Bernie Accorsi

          It wasn’t GP’s conspiracy theory, it was first advanced by Hub on the Score who felt that Pace’s decision to trade up for a QB was deeply cynical.

          Combined with Urlacher’s recent comments that George basically TOLD Pace to go grab a splash QB to keep fans hooked makes it look prophetic if nothing else.

          So while it may simple minded and, as a fan homer, better to think that Pace’s decision was driven by the hope that this is how you build a winning franchise – no true expert in NFLdom feels that was the case.

          And, even if they did, there is still the issue that there is NOBODY who will go on the record and say that Trub was their guy and they intended to trade up to get him. Nobody.

          It’s not a conspiracy theory, also. That’s the wrong term. It’s a cynical play by a GM. At first it seemed as if he did it to save his own ass, but Urlacher’s comments clarify that he was basically made to do it, and Fox and Pace wanted to draft defense

          • But NO GM is going to volunteer info about trading up for Trub. GMs are infamously secretive and misleading.

            They will gain NOTHING by admitting they were going to trade up for Trub.

            For instance, the Cards or Texans aren’t going to admit they were trying to trade up with the 9ers for Trub, cuz then the story is they got leftovers in Mahomes and Watson

            Saints, Gmen, etc won’t admit they were in the Trub mix on draft day cuz then that would’ve created QB convo before the season even kicked off

            Browns won’t admit it cuz then they look like idiots again for passing over on Mariotta, Wentz and now Trub.

            So GMs from other teams will never admit to trying to trade up for Trub.

            Maybe years from now stories will come out, but not in the near future, that’s for sure.

          • Bernie Accorsi

            Again that belies a total lack of actual football journalism.

            Somebody would have let Hub in on the knowledge of an offer. Even if it was off the record and not to be attributed to a team.

            Again, Hub did 30m on the Yi Score about this. Had there been ANYTHiNG to suggest that wasn’t a fleecing it would have been reported

            I know it’s fashionable on this blog to bash NFL writers and Hub in particular. That’s why I spend more time listening to him than the blog

          • I like Hub, but he’s not always right with his sources, and I’m sure he, like every other journalist/talking head, gets fed mis-info.

            Didn’t he say his sources told him the Chin would become the next Bears HC?

            Regardless, MANY other sources indeed leaked there were offers to trade up for Trub (not leaked from the 9ers)

            So Hub may have his stories – other outlets have theirs.

            All this would be moot anyways if Trub becomes a star.

            Giving up what ended up being a 3rd for a franchise QB is not getting fooled. In fact, in that scenario, many other fans will wonder why THEIR team couldn’t trade up to draft Trub.

            But your original theory from memory is that Pace drafted Trub to save his own ass and be around in ’18.

            That’s the premise I don’t believe because I think Pace was going to be given a chance to hire his own coaches and QB in ’18 regardless of ’17.

            I also think Pace really did like Trub. GMs always delude themselves into liking questionable QBs.

            Happens EVERY draft.

          • Bernie Accorsi

            So now factor in what you see in MT.

            Had Pace executed his plan, Glennon would be serviceable and played every game and MT would not have seen the field. I think outside of Jeff, nobody called it early on how bad Glennon would be.

            So put that aside. Heck, even assume that Glennon was a smokescreen to throw people off Pace wanting a QB in the draft.

            Put aside if there was another team that would have moved up and grabbed, because that’s all smoke and mirrors and nobody will get to the true answer there.

            Did Pace make the right call? Because for what he paid, he needs MT to be a ulti-year starter with Pro Bowl upside. Have you seen that?

            That’s an honest question and not a leading one.

            I’ve seen flashes of Rodgers like talent. But the throws go wild a LOT. Accuracy on the move and then none in the pocket. But it changes week to week.

            Ultimately it rides on that.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            cough cough.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Titans GM stated on Sirius Radio that he was receiving calls for MT at #5 in the draft. It is not that far of a stretch to think that those same teams contacted the Bears also at #3, even if it was just a feeler to see what it would take.

            Pace even said as much “I knew there were teams inquiring about going up. There were teams calling me, at our pick, wanting to come up.”
            http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-ryan-pace-mitch-trubisky-nfl-draft-20170427-story.html

            I like Hub, but I am sure he doesn’t have sources on every team, so there is no way he or any reporter can know everything going on behind the scenes.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We could have traded down, gotten Fournette, and then still drafted Watson by trading back in. Sorry, Pace fucked the first round and the future picks. He fucked up. It’s not even argument. We were getting Watson/Trubs on auto-pick. All Pace did was throw away picks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So Arkush announcing that he had it “from the top” that Cowher was the next Bears HC is a guy you listen to? That’s a guy you should ignore.

          • Bernie Accorsi

            I don’t recall this. When was that?

            I’m not saying he didn’t say it. Just when.

            He also said Kyle Long was a bad pick. As Butch stated, nobody is 100%.

          • CanadaBear

            You keep beating the drum but nobody is answering. I’ve heard Pace talk about moving up a bunch of times. NTM you always like to throw in the totally BS no true expert or people in the know. Those are just the guys you like/trust, that’s all.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I still say we needed an OT more than a 4th TE. We had just paid Sims. We had Miller. Brown. Braunecker … second round high was a statement.

          • leftcoastdave

            And TK (“the kid”) will likely be an impact player for years like the Gronk.

            You can’t expect him to show that year one with that leap, but the dude’s got the body, the brains and the hands to put it all together. First thing to address was his blocking, second, his route running.

            That be happening and a brilliant investment in the long term future.

      • Agree. I like Pace’s last two drafts.

        I wasn’t one of those who went bonkers on draft day. Mostly because I graded Trub as the #1QB in the draft (and in my eyes, wasn’t close).

        Trading down in the 2nd for a TE from Devry caught me off guard though, esp when Baker was just sitting there and drafted right after we traded down.

        Always said Mocha Ninja could be the next Warrick Dunn or Garrett Wolf, but won’t know that till we actually see him play.

        Jackson I LOVED from the start, and I really give Pace kudos for that.

        Jackson has a metal rod in his leg just like White. Could you imagine the shit Pace would’ve taken if Jackson sucked?

        Pace also took a YUGE chance on Floyd. Drafting a guy who looked like a WR that high to be your premiere pass rusher was very bold (foolish if it doesn’t pan out).

        Pace just has to put it all together now.

        A great HC, draft and FA class away from truly contending.

        • Bear Instincts

          HC – David Shaw
          OC – Pepe Hamilton/QB Coach – Birdcage
          DC – Rex Ryan

          • BearDown100393

            Pepe?

            JFC.

          • evantonio

            you misspelled Toub.

          • SC Dave

            lol…. go Evan go!

  • CanadaBear

    Just read about the newest members of the Rock and Roll HOF. They got two of them correct; Sister Rosetta Tharp and Nina Simone. Probably not exactly on the tip of everyone’s tongue. What a weird institution. it’s more about the HOF generating cash than honoring inductees. If you have time read some of Steve Miller’s comments about being inducted. Although I gotta say, I saw Steve Miller back in the 70’s and it was one of the most boring concerts I’ve ever attended. Unlike most of the bad concerts, he wasn’t fucked up, just snooze material.

    • BearDown100393

      Sister Rosetta absolutely rocks.

    • SC Dave

      Nina Simone is not a rocker. Blues girl all the way.

      • CanadaBear

        Totally agree. The RnR HOF is fucked. Steve Miller talked about it being a cash grab. Have no idea how they vote. Love Nina and Sister Rosetta so happy for their people.

  • evantonio

    I like you guys. Very bipolar about these Bears, but I like you nonetheless.

    • BearDown100393

      It is a very bipolar team.

    • “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times…”

      • Bernie Accorsi

  • Bear Instincts
  • willbest

    Somebody broke Big Mike

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      What are you talking about

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      What are you talking about

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      What are you talking about

  • Sactowns#1

    Aside from a WR what’s at the top of everyones wish list this off season.

    • willbest

      Von Miller 2.0?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      pass rush

    • willbest

      To assist here is what is up for FA

      Basically our entire Special Teams. Both gunners (McManis, Bellamy), LS, Punter, Kicker

      Our starting CBs (Amukamara, Fuller, Callahan (RFA))

      Out best WRs (Inman, Wright, Meredith (RFA))

      One of our starting ends (Unrein). Our #3 ILB (Christian Jones). Our depth OLB guys Acho and Houston

      • willbest

        In that line, here is of people who are in danger of being cut

        Glennon – 11.5 million cap savings
        McPhee – 7 million
        Sims – 5.6 million
        Wheaton – 5 million
        Cooper – 4.5 million
        Young – 4.5 million

        Demps – 3.6 million
        Freeman 3.4 million

        • Irish Sweetness

          They can all go except for Freeman.

          • leftcoastdave

            We need to see Deondre Hall on the field on the issue of Cooper and Demps. Amukamara, Callahan and Fuller should be signed as well as my favorite Bear BELLAMY. I believe the season should end on an up note and most dudes will want to stay.

          • willbest

            Freeman has to serve a 10 game suspension next year

    • BearDown100393

      A proper coaching staff.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      we would not have a WR problem if they kept BRAVERMAN.

    • OLB/Rush

      The rest, it depends how the off-season shakes out.

      -If Fuller and Prince bolt like Alshon, CB becomes a priority

      -Dunno what happens with Freeman, if he’s gone, ILB to me becomes a need.

      This D absolutely craps without Tre in there. Kwiat/Jones/Timu are JAGs

      We need a stud ILB to mold behind

      – Still need a Dlinemen to spell both Goldman and Hicks.

      – Can always upgrade RT, but more of a luxury. I would prefer a RT who can play OG since Long is done in my book.

      – Kicker and Punter

      Other than that, we’re good!

      • willbest

        Freeman still owes the NFL 10 games. He is gone.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Exactly, if he was going to stick around they should have taken him off IR. That way he could have served his suspension while healing up.

      • SC Dave

        It sucks about Freeman.

        I want our Luke or Wagner.

        I’m not as down on Kwiat as you, but an upgrade would be good – he and Jones should be our depth.

        • leftcoastdave

          I think Quick will continue to improve as an LB who can call out the D’s and be great in pass coverage.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “We need a stud ILB to mold behind.”

        Who are the ILB studs in the draft? Who is the 8 year guy?

    • Sactowns#1

      I ask the group because I always want the same thing from the first two rounds of the draft, linemen. Big, angry, mean linemen. But seeing some of your opinions and knowing where the holes are, I would be happy with a LB and either OL or DL in the first two rounds.

      • Rush will def be a priority.
        OT and CB could be.

        Alot is going to depend on the next coaches and their schemes as well.

        OLBs in 4-3s dont have to be other worldly but then a 3tech is needed (unless u believe in Bullard)

      • willbest

        Irish is worried we are going to win too many games to draft an RB.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This is true.

        • leftcoastdave

          You saying who we got in the 5th (Jordan Howard) or the 4th (Tarik the Freak Cohen) are not good enough for you Irish? They be bad!!!!! Seriously bad!!!!
          Jordan’s yards in first two years, Cohen’s four T’s running, catching, throwing and returning?

          Who needs to spend a pick on an RB early? That’s where we need to get Edge and OT. Then LB’s and Receivers. Plenty of both out there this year. As to a receiver, dudes, look at Iowa State who beat Oklahoma and TCU behind the receiving of Alan Lazard.

          http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3128390/allen-lazard

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is either Jordan or Tarik a true #1?

            JH is good, but he’s limited in what he can do and how far he can run. I don’t want to see a guy run out of steam before his run is over. If you can’t break a long one … well, sit down, we’ll call your number when we need you. Cohen is interesting, but small. Injuries happen. Barkley’s a stud. More a Gurley type. We’d be set with Barkley, Howard, Cohen (Benny).

            Who needs to spend a pick on an RB early? Somebody who wants a top back.

          • willbest

            Howard has 1032 on 235 carries. Your man Fournette has 923 yards on 231 carries. So he can’t run farther than Howard.

            He is reasonably better at pass catching averaging 72% for 7.3 Y/R vs. 67% for 5.2 Y/R

            But Fournette is still a poor man’s Matt Forte. Not remotely worthy of being drafted #4 overall

          • leftcoastdave

            How can you possibly dis Jordan Howard or Tarik the Freak like that? Howard has done what no Bear RB has done before. Tarik is the Joker to do it all when he is learned up to all the potential options, something Devin Hester did not have the ability to do.

            Dude, we got TOP BACKS.

      • SC Dave

        Build from the trenches out.

      • CanadaBear

        If there is a CB with consensus type stuff, grab him. Totally agree about the lines and LB.

    • Irish Sweetness

      RB. If not Barkley, then Chubbs or the other Pass-rusher Arden(?)

      Definitely an OT within 2 rounds.

      • leftcoastdave

        That’s it, Irish, Edge and OT top two picks in that order.

        • Irish Sweetness

          IFF Barkley is gone by our pick (he will be, and beating the kitties will stamp that).

    • SC Dave

      Who cares? The season ain’t over.

      I want us to win at least 2 more games. Three would be better. Where the guys coming off contract want to play for the Bears because they see greatness coming. Will sign with us reasonably for that, rather than simply chasing a paycheck.

      • willbest

        If you are firing your HC, why do you think they should expect the greatest to continue?

        • SC Dave

          What?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Looking at Jefe’s tweets :

    1. If Pace wanted Mariota, should we be happy about that? Does that speak to his ‘vision’? Glennon is already on his CV to the tune of 18 (I’m crying here) million dollars.

    2. Kendall’s quotes are how I feel about our receivers. Everyone seems to shit on our receivers. Why? We weren’t throwing to them. How would anyone know they were shit. Is Bellamy shit? No. We knew Kendall was okay. Wheatonm is probably shit. Cam’s great. Don’t know about Inman, and I haven’t seen enough to have an opinion on KW yet.

    • willbest

      You can watch the 22 from the first half of the season and see that they are running around out there with the DB’s dick up their ass. Bellamy is the only one that was reliably getting separation outside of Wright and he drops half his balls. Wright wasn’t on the field because he isn’t the best blocker.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But it’s not like we need to waste a #1 or #2 pick on a WR that wouldn’t be ready for three years anyway, right?

        Cam / Kendall / KW / Dontrelle / Bellamy

        I’d by that for a dollar. Boost that OL. MT coached up …. looks okay, no?

        • willbest

          WR’s are more polished these days as rookies, and the sophomore season is typically the breakout season anyway. I am not saying draft a WR in the first round, but it certainly needs to be addressed somewhere. You have no idea how Cam comes back from the ACL.

          • BuddhaJoe

            WR is where they should go in FA. I laughed when DET threw money at Tate and Jones Jr but it worked, way better than Millen taking 3 in the 1st before finally hitting on Megatron.

        • BuddhaJoe

          The rest could be fine if they got a legit #1 but you don’t want to go into the season with that.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Kevin White as your three is a lottery ticket.

      • SC Dave

        Bellamy is also the best blocker by a mile. In fact, the only WR that can block after we left Alshon go.

        And our WRs MUST block well. Because when they do, Jordan kicks ass. And truly, Freak could even more so if they can seal the edge.

    • leftcoastdave

      Amen to that, esp my fav. BELLAMY!!!!! That dude’s got heart and the hands transplant in the off season are working nicely. Cam? Great and will be back. The rest of the WR’s? They will want to be on the team and prove they belong.

      • SC Dave

        Cam is entirely unknown now.

  • BuddhaJoe

    To jump of of Sac’s post below.

    We need a linebacker with the 1st if one of them is worth it. Can’t rely on Freeman in the middle as good as he was, and not sold on Kwiat. On the outside you can’t rely on McPhee, Willie’s getting up there even if he comes back healthy, and Floyd needs help even if he comes back 100%. While WR is probably the biggest hole, I’d be loathe to spend a 1st on one, that’s not just because of White. Help in the trenches should trump skill players unless you’re already elite in those areas.

    If a can’t miss OT is there they should consider that too. Massie and Leno could both be upgraded, although neither one sucks they shouldn’t be locks either.

    • leftcoastdave

      Edge first. Good OTs there in the second. At ILB, Christian Jones is stepping up and Quick is only in his second year and has a good head for what he is doing and good in coverage.
      Plenty of WR’s will be there in the fourth.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Mostly agree. Jones needs somebody else to call the D though so you gotta hope Tre stays healthy in that case. Or Freeman keeps himself clean if he stays.

  • CanadaBear

    Chicago Bears Wednesday injury report: LIMITED — TE Adam Shaheen
    (chest), WR Kendall Wright (shoulder), OLB Pernell McPhee (shoulder), S
    DeAndre Houston-Carson (ankle), DL Eddie Goldman (hip) and S Adrian Amos
    (hamstring).

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