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Why I Hate the Combine (Part One of Three Hundred)

| February 26th, 2016

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I hate the Combine.

Hate it.

Pure, unadulterated hate.

Why?

Three reasons.

  • It’s stupid. Football has become overcomplicated to an insane level I can’t stomach. Does a man’s hand size equate to his being a better thrower of the football? Perhaps. But the truth is I simply don’t care. If there was no Combine and the players were selected based purely upon their performance on the college football field (you know, like it was when Walter Payton got drafted), you trying to tell me teams would do a worse job of talent evaluation? Teams are shitty at it now and there’s three months of evaluation!
  • A collection of wealthy, overwhelmingly white men sit and evaluate the physical attributes of a collection of unemployed, overwhelmingly black men. They are trying to determine whether their physical abilities suit the needs of the labor force. Do they pay the men? Absolutely. But if you don’t see the similarities between the Combine and slave auctions it’s because you don’t want to see them.
  • This stupid event gives credence to the inanity of people like Mike Mayock, who will cite a player’s measurables exhaustingly when he’s ACTUALLY CALLING A GAME. The Draft Industrial Complex is the biggest waste of money and resources in the sports world.

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  • CanadaBear

    I’m certain this is the most civil slave auction in the history of man. That or it’s not a slave auction. I’m going with the latter. Jeff keeps selling his theory and still hasn’t found a buyer.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Lawks a lawdy, sign me up fo’ some o’ dat slavery Mistuh !! I’s a got mouths to feed !

  • MB30SD

    Sigh

  • willbest

    slavery is bad mmmmmkay

  • MB30SD

    Here’s the thing Jeff.

    The combine is awesome. An amazing show of human firepower. Same thing as an airshow or a nascar race (you like that garbage ‘sport’ if I remember correctly). Getting all political about it is ridiculous.

    Just enjoy the entertainment spectacle of athletes with skills/genetics the mortal man can only dream of possessing. And just remember when you’re gettin’ all steamy eyed over those poor exploited souls, that they’re there for the opty of many lifetimes, with the change to utilize their god-given talents to make more money than most of the old ‘rich’ white guys there will ever dream of… and live out their childhood dreams… on top of potentially taking care of their families for generations.

    Just do your best to try and somehow stomach all the injustice of it all.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m watching right now, and playing a little poker. And if I was writing a sports blog for a living I’d be watching a lot more closely so that, I don’t know, I could have an opinion on the players I write about. This is even more true during pre-season, where players like John Timu show you something that suggests maybe they belong on a football field.

  • Irish Sweetness

    It’s strange that you hate pre-season and the combine Jeff. In a multi-multi-billion dollar industry … both are absolutely essential for asset evaluation. Huge amounts of money are invested in young men on draft day, and if there is a process of measuring metrics on these young business assets, then teams are just doing their due diligence. In the case of pre-season, these multi-billion dollar businesses just want to make sure the engine is running and that everything is in PMO.

    And once more, this continued comparison of professional football to a slave auction is just ridiculous. Making a man a millionaire is giving him choices in life that you or I will never have. If I had to live in Cleveland for six months a year to pick up my millions, I would buy some ear muffs and thank my lucky stars I was a millionaire and that my family would be taken care of for the rest of their natural lives.

    • MB30SD

      maybe pen a blog about it and address your qualms to the CEO… that kind of thing seems to work out well these days.

    • DaBearsBlog

      85% of the players at the Combine will never become millionaires. And that number is probably way low.

      Also your first statement just isn’t true. The Combine is a relatively new creation, established to make it cheaper for teams (save owners cash) to look at many players. And football existed for 50 years or more without it. And talent evaluation was far better then.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Slave don’t get paid,Jeff. Footballers do. That’s my point.

        And you’ve justified the combine in your second paragraph, which contradicts your piece on the combine being stupid.

      • SC Dave

        I would say that last sentence would be very hard to verify.

  • MB30SD
    • Bender McLugh

      “You followed all rules this week” listed as a complaint?? LOL

  • Irish Sweetness

    See Hilary here?

    In another interview, the guy mentions that interview and asks her: “Would you like another shot at answering that question?”

    She laughed and said no.

    I think I want Trump to be Prez. If for no other reason than he’s going to be outside one day when that comb-over gets blown back.

    • willbest

      I like it when the GOP is president for no other reason than the media engages in journalism from time to time. Could you imagine if Condi Rice had collected $8 million dollars in “donations” to her “charitable foundation” from countries doing business before here while she was Sec. of State? NYT, CNN, MSNBC would have lost their damn minds. Seriously, why is Hillary not wearing an orange jumpsuit, handcuffs, or an ankle bracelet, something.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Smoking man: Colin, would you like to be Secretary of State?

        Colin Powell: Sure, what do I have to do?

        Smoking man: Present these 11 year-old French intelligence photos to the world, and tell them that Iraq has WMDs.

        Colin Powell: Are you serious? Fuck that.

        Smoking man: Ms. Rice, would you like to be Secretary of State?

        Condoleeza Rice: Sure, what do I have to do?

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Zing!

        • Trac

          Colin Powell was a pussy. He got all wobbly after Stormin Norman kicked Sadam ‘ s ass. Never should have let him off the hook the first time. Aah, I digress.

          • willbest

            Bush I, correctly, realized that toppling Iraq would have a left a clusterfuck and that the American people wouldn’t have had the resolve to manage. His son…

          • SC Dave

            This all the way. Too bad his son iA maroon.

    • Sactowns#1

      Oh it’s Bernie or bust baby! I do love that Trump is tearing down the house of cards from the inside. His “Bush lied to invade Iraq” during the previous debate was GOLD. Obviously if you say that in the Dem debate everyone will just say “yeah, we know, and?” But the right is still living a more than 10 year old lie. The looks on their faces was priceless!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ

      • willbest

        The only “lie” Bush told to get us in to Iraq was to neglect to inform us that we would have to babysit the country for 100 years and unlike Germany, Japan, Korea, etc. We would be putting down insurrections the whole time.

        • Irish Sweetness

          So he didn’t lie about nuclear weapons? Damn sure he lied. Going to war on a lie, what should be the punishment for that?

          2 trillion dollars, a slew of lost life, and the whole region destabilized.

          • willbest

            There is a difference between lying and being wrong. But I am not going to convince you of anything, so I won’t bother.

            I would however point out that Saddam violated a dozen ultimatums where we said we would remove him. At some point if you are going to play the role of world police you need to enforce that or nobody will believe you. That of course is leaving aside whether or not we ought to be the world’s police, but it was however the role that we have assumed since WW2 and has been expected of us by the rest of the world.

            I also won’t argue against the results being somewhere between bad and awful. But that has as much to do with Obama not being a neo-con as it does with Bush II being one. You can’t 180 your foreign policy every 8 years and expect peace and stability in a region where there has been none since… well … ever.

          • Sactowns#1

            The whole world realized at the time that it was a lie, with multiple intelligence agencies coming forward and saying as much. Now we invaded and proved to the world it was all a lie. If you don’t want to believe the facts then I cant help you, but it was, by definition, a lie.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    in regards to the combine, they need to tweak it just a little, by adding a few events
    1. Pool Jumping
    2. TD/Sack/1st down Celebrations
    3. mic them up for a trash talking competition.

  • The GP, Chairman of the Bored

    A collection of wealthy, overwhelmingly white men sit and evaluate the physical attributes of a collection of unemployed, overwhelmingly black men. They are trying to determine whether their physical abilities suit the needs of the labor force. Do they pay the men? Absolutely. But if you don’t see the similarities between the Combine and slave auctions it’s because you don’t want to see them.

    Did Jeff Hughes just write this sentence? Are you serious?

    • The GP, Chairman of the Bored

      This just in:

      The entire AA and AAA farm system in baseball has been deemed a form of slavery, similar to when the Chinese were enslaved by slave wages to build the transcontinental railroad.

      “Let’s face it, everyone playing AA or AAA is a Coolie. Everyone knows it. Let’s call it what it is,”, remarked revolutionary leader Jeff “Che'” Hughes. “The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them. In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality. This must stop”

      • willbest

        Oh I wanted to thank you for reminding me to get Cubs tickets. They went on sale this morning. Planning to take the boys for the first time this year. Holy hell prices have gone up since I last went to a game.

        • CanadaBear

          There’s always the Sox. The after market for Sox tix is usually buyer friendly.

    • BillW

      I absolutely get the idea that more data doesn’t necessarily equate to a better analysis. That’s a professional opinion. “Big Data” is pretty much a “Big Headache”.

      The point that even with all this data, there are still as many draft busts as ever tells you a lot.

      And yet Jeff ruins his own very valid point by the whole slave auction nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

      • roglesby

        Exactly. That BS comment in the article made me stop reading and I jumped to the comments just to make sure I wasnt the only one. I mean REALLY? next thing you know Jeff will be talking about all of our microagressions and his need for a safe space….

        Finding racism everywhere and equating everything to slavery is kind of a sickness. For sure when all these men are basically trying out for the opportunity to be extremely wealthy or at least play a game for several years and get paid very well for it..

        The reason for the Combine and the craziness of surrounding it with cameras is because each team is looking for ANY edge. Any piece of info. Hand size, etc. Hell, jeff wrote yesterday about arm length… ARM LENGTH. its silly in places. but geeze. a slave auction…

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Andrew wrote the article yesterday.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Man, if I had to actually meet with future employers and have them examine my skills and work history…yeesh.

    • Trac

      Jess he is serious. He’s been bogarting the bong for too long. Smh.

  • The GP, Chairman of the Bored

    An old school scout was on a call with Mully and Handley. He said that the players practice cone drills and other drills to try and perfect them prior to coming in, and that fucks up all the data anyway.

    The way it used to be done, when the media was locked out and it was just coaches, GMs, agents and players was: you had the player run a drill they had never seen before. It was always being shuffled. The way a player adapted and performed against something new was 100x more indiciative of how they would fare in the NFL than a drill time they had been practicing.

    • willbest

      So basically what you are saying is the NFL needs to outsource the combine to American Ninja Warrior, which would be totally awesome.

      • The GP, Chairman of the Bored

        Gemini is in the house, YO!

        • willbest

          That show was legit awesome when I was 12. There is a place downtown called Beercade. They have reruns of that playing on screens. Brought back memories. Though its just not the same when you aren’t watching it on a 19″ CRT.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Like Bill Hicks said, give the audience guns.

    • BillW

      There is at least one university I know that stopped requiring the ACT/SAT. Why? Because it no longer predicts academic success. All it “predicts” is your ability to take a standardized test. And if you (or mommy/daddy) can afford to send you to an ACT/SAT prep class, you will score (statistically) significantly higher than those who did not have that opportunity.

      Prepping for cone drills is the same issue potentially.

      One other analogy – when my kids played park district basketball there was always the standard “dribble around chairs” drill. The kids that did best were always given point guard responsibility. And may of them failed – I guess because in a game the “chairs” move and try to steal the ball.

      • willbest

        That is actually bunk. SAT prep at current educated guess will net you an extra 40-60 points. Meaning it isn’t going to turn a dud into a stud. That puts most the test prep stuff in the “get rich quick in real estate” category.

        http://www.wsj.com/articles/do-sat-prep-courses-help-test-takers-1430491933

        Where test integrity is out the window is in elite pre-school IQ tests. It is easy for parents to train their kids to have Pavlovian responses to those questions.

    • Bender McLugh

      that makes a helluva lot more sense

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    while I feel the standard physical drills don’t truly give you an assessment of a players abilities, it is the other tests that give teams the most info.

    Interviews give a chance for staff to evaluate mental and social aspects of a player.

    The medical exam often involves MRI/CT scans if there is injury history, EKG’s are now standard since Gaines Adams died a few years back. Each year there are usually a few players that get flagged with possible heart defect, ie Bridgewater was flagged during the combine a couple years back.

    So to say the combine is a “Slave Auction” is fairly ridiculous. It is probably the best way for every team to get a chance to evaluate the 300+ athletes physically, mentally, and medically. If there are concerns about a players medical evaluation then teams can request follow up tests to make sure that it is not an issue that would affect a career.

  • BillW

    From Jeff tweet – Christie endorses Trump.

    I was a proud Republican for many years, after Jimmy Carter cured me of my youthful idealism. Then we decided Sarah Palin was the best choice to be a heartbeat away. Then Mitt Romney gave up on 47% of the country. And now this.

    Sometimes I think the Republicans WANT a Democratic president so they can complain and not actually be responsible for anything.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      So are you un-proud? Or no longer a Republican?

      • BillW

        Both – unfortunately. I want to be a Republican but that party is gone apparently.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Americans are either Democrats or Republicans it seems. Chris Rock sees it the way the rest of the world see it looking in from the outside.

    • Sactowns#1

      Glad you’re standing on principle and not just following the party line. I pray for a day we have a proportionally representative democracy, so all of our views can be represented in congress.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Couldn’t find a John Deere photo out there, Jefe?

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    If Jeff just said, the optics of this event are bad, I’d be inclined to agree.
    But from a moral perspective, I have a hard time seeing the equivalency, especially since free agency has been around since, what, 1983?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      also a combine is not limited to the NFL. NBA and NHL both have a combine.

  • MB30SD
    • The GP, Chairman of the Bored

      Thank God you linked the Caine original and not that Marky Mark bullshit.

      “You’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!”

      • MB30SD

        please

  • Doc Nitty

    Dearest Blogfather,

    I agree with you 100% on your hatred for the combine. It is beyond ridiculous.

    I disagree with you 100% on your equating of the combine with slave auctions. If an overwhelming majority of players were white, would you still equate the two? I don’ think you would. So if there’s racism here I would postulate that it has more to do with the fact that the majority of pro football players are black. Why is that? Is that because they overwhelmingly come from institutionalized poverty and thus have the biggest incentive to go the pro sports route for lack of a better alternative? If so, I’d agree that racism isn’t removed from the world of pro football (sports). Is it because, as some have maintained in the past, that black athletes tend to be better athletes because of the breeding that occurred in the days of slavery? If so, I agree that racism isn’t removed from the the world of pro football (sports). Is it because the black people are just different physiologically from white people and this alone accounts for the discrepancy between the number of blacks and whites? If so, I wouldn’t call that racist, but it may account for the reason. I do believe that not all men are created equal. We are equal in terms of human rights and civil rights. But we are very different. Asians, white, black, hispanic. All very different. So yeah, one cannot remove race from the conversation of blacks in sports. But the draft a slave auction? I find this position utterly absurd.

    Just curious, does Hockey have a “combine”. What about soccer? I honestly don’t know.

    Happy Friday.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Hockey does have a combine.

      • Johnnywad

        Yeah but they’re just Canadians. So that’s not racism.

    • Irish Sweetness

      More simply put, slaves are not paid for their labor, footballers on the other hand, are made into millionaires. The comparison is indeed absurd.

      Soccer players are not drafted, so if they are young and unknown, they join teams for trials, usually after being scouted.

      • Scharfinator

        The good soccer players go to soccer schools and camps at 5 and 6.

        Much closer to slavery – or at least indentured servitude, than football. (NOT THAT EITHER IS CLOSE)

      • Johnnywad

        Plus, you get to quit a game you love to play, whenever you like, keep all your money, do whatever you want next, and not get the shit beat out of you with a whip.

  • CanadaBear

    Hope Irish is sitting down. Adam Schefter is saying the Bears tagged Alshon.

    • willbest

      quelle surprise

    • Sactowns#1

      Yup. I look forward to his essay ese.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Schefter’s the guy that invents stories like Hub Arkush though, right?
      I am free tomorrow, and my quill is inked …..

      Let’s follow this though :

      Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 48m48 minutes ago

      Hardly a surprise, but Bears are placing franchise tag on WR Alshon Jeffery, per team source.

  • – Does a man’s hands size equate to nfl success?
    Ah, Rex Grossman, anyone? Meanwhile, one of the positives about Russell Wilson (who doesn’t fumble snaps or lose many balls) coming out of the draft were his insane mitts even though he was much smaller than Sexy. But no, Jeff. Sure no correlation.

    – Collection of wealthy white men sit and evaluate EVERYONE inside and outside of football, whether it be for physical or psychical prowess. And the “slave auction” is color blind AND voluntary. QBs (still mostly white) are s prodded as much or MORESO than other positions (mostly black), and not just at the combine, but through extensive FBI-ish background checks, and all kinds of psychological tests to go along with the metrics. So if you apply the Jeff’s logic, then actually WHITE athletes (qbs) are the biggest victims of the combine. Talk about white on white crime.

    – The NFL NEEDS ppl like Mayock. Mayock is essentially a scout (a good one too, just not with QBs) with a platform. Mayock gives insights that non-scouts can’t even begin to verbalize. Does Jeff really want Michael Irvin giving us input about Jaylon Smith, or even former coaches/gms like Wanny or Angelo? Personally, I like hearing scout info because it tends to be very different, more detailed, and more extensive than the usual coach speak “instinctive”, “tough” and goes no further. Remember COACHES and GMs (and some owners like Jerry) RELY on scouts, and Mayock and his ilk give mostly anonymous scouts a voice. It’s a glimpse of what happens behind the curtain of OZ, and a fascinating one at that.

    Conclusion. To me, either you enjoy the combine or you don’t. It’s kinda like FF. If you don’t think it’s fun, don’t play and stop bitching, but don’t rail against it for some psuedo-political reasons like “oh, it’s really gambling” etc. Just say you don’t like it and it’s annoying and leave it as that. If you look hard enough, you can protest anything for socio-political reasons. I think I told the story of how my former USC philo teacher hated football because it was watching a bunch of millionaires play with a ball while the poor have to work 2 jobs to pay rent. He deemed it ‘irrational’ and even more so, implied that watching football contributed to corporate oppression, and this was even b4 the whole CTE info leaked out.

    So, see the slippery slope? I say to Jeff as I said to my old teacher and as Vadgers refrained to his fans.

    R-E-L-A-X.

    It is NOT like a slave auction, and most participants don’t see it that way at all. And railing that they don’t know any better is PATERNALISTIC, you know, a slave owner characteristic.

    Just say it’s stupid and the numbers don’t translate to nfl success and it’s mostly for $ (surprise surprise). I can buy that, but not the slave auction argument.

    • CanadaBear

      I don’t watch any of it. I rely on you guys to tell me who has the goods or not. It doesn’t bother me at all on any level. Same with FF. That stuff is pretty easy to ignore. When you guys carry on about that stuff I just skip down aways. I like Mayock and Matt Bowen for a different perspective on things. Mayock can really carry on when he’s on TV. Bowen writes good stuff for more insight from a player’s perspective.

      • I love both Mayock and Bowen because I always learn something new from them every time I hear/read them. With Bowen I practically have to take notes.

        And see, it’s kinda like trickle down economics. You rely on us, we rely on certain experts (personally, I like mayock and nawrocki), and they intern use their pull to see them in person (unlike the rest of us schlubs) and poll GMs, coaches, and regional scouts.

        The scouting combine itself is not all that titillating, really. Basically seeing dudes go through drills, like watching practice.

        But some of it is pretty relevant. Like watching a certain cb flip his hips in drills, or seeing if a LB looks fluid in the 3 cone drill, etc and then it’s the eye test really. Does the CB lose much when turning? Does the LB look stiff? And I don’t sit there and watch ALL the prospects, but certain ones that are linked to the beloved.

        The combine is just another tool. Yeah, it’s easy to just dumbly refrain, “Just watch the tape” but how many college studs have crashed and burned in the NFL?

        Sometimes the combine uncovers lil known stars. Off the top of my head, Dontari Poe was one of them. Before the combine everyone thought he was like a 3rd rd NT (or further down, then this happened)

        That made a lot of experts re-evaluate him, and he shot up the draft. Poe turned out to be a really good player, and if not for the combine, he would’ve lost a lot of $$$.

        while yes, not all underwear Olympic champs turn out like Poe, but as I said, a lot of college studs become duds and the NFL level too, which is why the NFL (and combine) are so fascinating.

        Jeff should ask Poe if he thinks the combine is a slave auction.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Trump’s hair is truly amazing.
      I just saw a shot from behind, and I think I have it now.
      He grows a layer long on each side and combs it across. He grows a layer long from the back and combs that to the front, overlapping the side comb-overs. I’ve never seen this on a human.
      It is the epitome of denial.

      • willbest

        See the man knows how to find creative solutions to problems!

        • Trac

          Can he handcuff the federal reserve? Didn”t think so, no one can.

          • willbest

            Well he could if he were a shareholder. Then he could tell all the other shareholders they best behave or he will dox them

          • I never get why a rich candidate who OBVIOUSLY profited from the system, and who is still heavily invested in it, would want to change the status quo.

            There’s a reason poor ppl revolted in Bastille Day while the aristocrats were riding around like the scarlet pimpernel.

            Are you not entertained!?

          • Sactowns#1

            Amen brother.

        • Sactowns#1

          lol

  • Irish Sweetness

    I love this response to Schefter’s tweet on Jeffrey though :

    age ‏@ajbomaye 1h1 hour ago

    @AdamSchefter is he listed as questionable for week one yet?

  • Irish Sweetness

    So Derrick Henry, a man who is 6’3 and weighs 245lbs, ran a 4.54 at the combine, beating most of the RBs. Never mind though, it’s not relevant.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Alshon’s latest Tweet:

    Alshon Jeffery ‏@TeamJeffery_ 4h4 hours ago
    This election is too important for me to sit on the sidelines..#ImWithHer @hillaryClinton

    So not only have the Bears not told him that Adam Schefter has tagged him, but he supports jezebels that try very hard to tell the truth. I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the playbook is not AJ’s friend, and that, to him, crosswords and magic squares are some ‘cold shit’.

    • willbest

      No self respecting athlete would ever vote for Bernie Sanders. The man wants a marginal tax rate of 90% on high incomes. Jeffery’s 14.5 million salary would be 1.6 million a year once Bernie’s done with him.

      Who is he suppose to vote for? Jill Stein?

      • Sactowns#1

        That’s not true at all. He stated “We once had a marginal tax rate of 90%” He has NEVER advocated we return to that. He was using it as an example to show going from 39% to 49% isn’t that radical.

        • willbest

          Its 54.2% and he is also uncapping FICA for another 6.2%. Oh and Jeffery is a 1099 contractor not a W2 employee so there is the additional 6.2% EMPLOYER side increase on payroll as well.

          Jeffery’s total tax bite under Bernie would be over 67% including state income taxes.

          Regardless of what the actual ridiculous tax bite is, you are at least admitting that Bernie Sanders will cost Jeffery 8 figures more over the course of his NFL career than anybody else running for President.

          • Sactowns#1

            Please check your facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States

            Yes, Bernie’s tax plan would cost Jeffery more, and if money is all he cares about then I guess I can see his endorsement. But many people see a larger picture and Bernie is CLEARLY the better candidate for black Americans. He also has lost of celebrity endorsements so I guess some people do care about more than money https://berniesanders.com/artists/

          • willbest

            Unless you are an accountant, tax preparer, tax attorney, I am going to venture I know more about the tax code than you. I pulled my numbers off Bernie’s website. So unless he has been spouting off new set of numbers, it would cost Jeffery an additional $17-22 million assuming he gets a 5-yr 70 mil deal and follows it up with a 3-y 33 mil which he collects 22 mil of before retiring.


            Why would you send me a link with zero athlete endorsements on it? You mean in all of professional sports, he couldn’t find one to feel the bern? Its 95% stage performers. Basically a bunch of people that have outsized guilt over their success.

          • Sactowns#1

            So now we are splitting hairs on what kind of millionaires are acceptable for your argument? lol
            Yes, at the end of the day it would cost him money if the top tax rates changed. Others have decided to put the welfare of the nation above that of their ever growing bank accounts. I respect those folks.

          • Bender McLugh

            Go on now with yo bad self!

          • willbest

            Not for nothing, but I would bet money I make more each year than Wil Wheaton. How much could he possibly get paid showing up to comic cons, and doing a cameo on Big Bang Theory. I suspect he would be a net beneficiary of Bernie sanders. Could drop his SAG memberships and get on Berniecare. You don’t need that to sign autographs at convention and run a table top gaming youtube channel

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            just an FYI NFL Players are W2 employees not 1099.

          • willbest

            I was surprised enough to look that up. I am still surprised by it. In that case it, NFL players would probably get to avoid that 6.2% until the next CBA. Although the NFL would have an easy path to recapture it if CBA were to allow them to dump the players into berniecare.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i am just glad you know more about the tax code than everyone except an accountant, tax preparer, tax attorney,

          • willbest

            That was in response to sending me to wiki to read about income taxes. Not the specific issue of how the NFL-team-player employment relationships. And it doesn’t really alter the analysis. You are talking about whether Alshon pay’s uncle bern an extra 15 or 18 million on 105 million vs. aunt clinton. Either proposition is utterly ridiculous.

            Sac was merely taking issue with me saying 90% marginal rate and pointing out what Bernie really did was use the post WW2 marginal rate of 90% to justify his marginal rate of 70% (including payroll tax).

          • Big Mike

            The answer is a great tax lawyer and the establishment of a deferred compensation strategy, that is taxable when the $ is used.

    • Trac

      Who’s gonna serve up Bubba’ s coffee is she loses?

    • Sactowns#1

      Jesus. I will never understand a gay person or minority voting for Hillary. Her family did so much damage to those communities it’s just mind boggling.

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