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Three More Thoughts on Bears v. Lions

| October 4th, 2016

Gave the Bears win against the Lions a second look. Had three thoughts.

#1. Bears have to be optimistic about their young, developing cornerbacks. And a lot of that credit goes to secondary coach Ed Donatell. Bryce Callahan looks like he might be the long-term answer at nickel and Deiondre’ Hall continues to flash on tape. Why Hall wouldn’t be starting now over Glenn is beyond me.


#2.  Adam Hoge Tweeted this: “My highest #Bears grade through the 1st quarter of the season: Josh Sitton. What a huge addition. Easy Pro Bowl selection right now.” Couldn’t agree more, though he’s not getting Pro Bowl votes. Sitton was dominant up front for the Bears on Sunday. While Cody Whitehair is still going through growing pains at center (but is way better than many think), the middle of the Bears offensive line is finding their rhythm.


#3. The biggest disappointment of the first quarter is Willie Young. For those who love the preseason, Young looked poised for a big season as a pass rusher. But he’s been a non-factor. And with Leonard Floyd being used far more in coverage, Lamarr Houston in the hospital and Pernell McPhee out a few more weeks, the Bears need Young to get to the quarterback. He hasn’t been close.

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  • SC Dave

    The #1 positive is Jerrell Freeman. So far, he looks deserving of wearing #50 as a Bears LB.

    That being said, the DBs in general have been better than expected IMO. Against Detroit, the DL showed up strong against the run. Still need a pass rush though.

    • Scharfinator

      Freeman has impressed me as well. He’s always making plays, win or lose.

      • DaBearsBlog

        He’s been brilliant, especially with a revolving door next to him.

        • chitownproud85

          Its waaaaaaaaaaay early, but that whole “good but hasnt been to a pro bowl” thing might be coming to an end. Freeman has been all beast, all the time.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Let him cover and let Timu rush, I’d like to see more of Floyd in coverage with those Doc Ock arms.

    • Joecashflow

      Agree. When Bears were at their worst on Monday nite, he still showed, made tackles for loss. He is the leader on the field.

  • SC Dave

    From the NFL site, I caught this factoid:

    “Against Beckham and Kelvin Benjamin
    the past two games, Rhodes allowed a total of three catches on seven
    targets for 23 yards and a 11.9 passer rating, per NFL Research.”

    • willbest

      It is a contract year for him, then again they have the 5th year option followed by the franchise tag.

    • Joecashflow

      Yeah,,he was great against Giants with a nice INT when OBJ quit on the route. OBJ is becoming a head case again.

      • willbest

        Aren’t most WR #1?

        • Joecashflow

          We ship ours out.

  • MB30SD

    Amos. We just need one more super solid safety and we’ll be good for a while.

    Travathan still hurt??

    • Scharfinator

      HJQ seems to play with passion as well. Would love his play to come through that way too.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What’s wrong with HQJ ??

      • MB30SD

        6 out of 10.

        I want a 8+… like ma ladies laddy

        • DaBearsBlog

          6 out of 10 at his stage in career isn’t bad. This secondary has some serious upside.

          • MB30SD

            Agree

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” said the fat lady.

          • MB30SD

            Beerholder

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hahaha. Touch’e

        • Irish Sweetness

          You’re as hard to please with safeties as I am with RBs.

          But why a 6 ? He hasn’t made any glaring mistakes – looks pretty good with Amos considering their lack of experience. I think they’re doing great. If Hall and Glenn continue their rise, that’s a good secondary to look forward to.

          • MB30SD

            Solid, not spectacular. I want another mike Brown back there.

          • willbest

            Dude you have man crushes on Jizz and Perry. You will whore yourself out to any RB!

      • I am intrigued by HQJ

        And week in week out I think we take for granted that they don’t blow assignments and leave WRs wide open.

        Don’t make me pull up Conte footage so that we appreciate our S play.

  • Irish Sweetness

    #1 Why Glenn AND Hall aren’t starting is beyond me. Porter is a liability covering fast receivers. He’s good to have on the bench, or bring him on in dime.

    #2 We’ll see how far Cody has come – or not – come Minnesota in week 8.

    #3 If Fangio would be a bit more blitz-friendly we could compensate for Willie’s lethargy.

    • Big Mike

      Whitehair has had a strong start. This was his 4th NFL game and he’s at a new position. Pretty damn amazing going to Center like he has. He didn’t play Center in college. His snaps have been solid.

      • Bender McLugh

        I thought he had played C in the past, was that not college?

        • Big Mike

          Maybe in HS at Kansas State he was T/G.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He played tackle I thought? We drafted him to play guard, but I guess he’s too small to swap with one of the bookends …

          Surely when Grasu gets back Whitehair becomes a super-sub?

          • MB30SD

            Grasu sucks yo

          • CanadaBear

            Doubtful. Grasu was a 3rd rounder, had a so-so 1st season and misses his 2nd season. Whitehair is a second rounder and playing better than Grasu did at any time last year. What part of that says Grasu bumps Whitehair to the bench?

          • how shall I put this delicately?

            GRASU SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!

            Whitehair doesn’t.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Grasu is the greatest eve…. hell even i am tired of that shtick going to retire it for awhile.

      • Joecashflow

        Does Grasu make the team next year? Undersized, then bulked up ,beyond what his frame could take. I don’t see him on the 53.

        • willbest

          Team needs a backup Center and he is cheap.

        • As much as I dislike him, he’ll make the team purely on “potential”.

          And as a backup, I don’t mind him as much. Give his body a bit more time to fill out.

        • Big Mike

          I believe he will. The combination that I see as a possibility is for Grasu at Center with Whitehair at G and Long getting kicked out to RT. It’s not a popular opinion, because Kyle can dominate at RG. Or Grasu is simply depth. It’s been said he’s not suited for Guard, so.. in that case, he doesn’t make the cut.

      • He was also working mostly with Sitton who he never played with b4.
        LG and C have to be on same page – know who they’re blocking, who’s stunting, or blitzing, or even the pace in sweeps and such.

        • Big Mike

          both guards, but since most offenses are “right handed” the backside guard and center are teamed up a lot. Keeping A gaps clean getting to the LB is critical. He’s a plus.

    • Scharfinator

      I am confused at our lack of blitzing/new pressures. Granted, maybe that is Fangio’s way – especially with how our DB’s are developing. Better cover = more time for the DLine to do something… hopefully

      • I’m kinda with Irish on this too.

        Stafford had waaay too much time to throw. A better QB tears us apart in those downs.

        • willbest

          Stafford usually is a better QB. He was just off Sunday for some reason.

          • But that’s who Stafford is. Consistently inconsistent.

            Granted, he has played better from mid-season 15, but eventually, players and ppl revert to form.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Blitz-friendly means you’re going to be leaving some wide open receivers because Freeman and Floyd are playing down the field. Bears / Fangio defense is not designed to manufacture pressure. They need to generate it with their pass rushers.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But we don’t have the guys he was doing that with in SF. If the scheme doesn’t fit the down players then it has to change, or you blitz more. Letting a QB stand in there with no challenge – it sucks.

        • MB30SD

          No one does… cept maybe Vikings. That sf D in it’s prime was absurd.

    • A7Xthebest

      I think benching Porter would be an extremely big misstep. He’s the best corner we have on the roster and has played like it pretty much since they signed him(Albeit letting a few fast receivers behind him the last couple weeks.

  • Joecashflow

    Aside from injuries that have diminished the D, I like the intensity of the LBs and DBs. They are delivering punishment we didn’t see last year. Especially up the middle. We are knocking people around again. Feels so good. DBs are not playing off and conceding like they did last year. Lots of break ups.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s what’s so sweet about the rooks, they can play press, and unlike Porter, have the speed to catch up with guys. Should be quite a few interceptions with them jumping routes. Glenn’s interception was a thing of beauty recognizing the blown timing pattern. That was all smarts.

    • SC Dave

      I liked that Kwiatoski tackle for the one yard gain. Stood up the back, and then punished him into the turf. Me likey.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Kwiatoski is the anti Chicken Dinner.

        His new name is Anti-Shae Case. Where Dinner waited for the hit, Kwiatoski delivers it.

      • We def need a nickname for him.

        Kit-Kat?

        He’s very explosive (unlike Shea), and seems instinctive.
        Gotta remember, he played S in college, so he should be able to cover as well.

        We might have a keeper.

        • willbest

          Kit Kat… That reminds me of Hudson Hawk, which is one of Bruce Willis’ most under rated movies if not the most

          • Yeah, I loved that movie!

          • CanadaBear

            I thought you were going to say it was one of his worst movies. I couldn’t get through it.

  • willbest

    With regards to Willy, he is probably playing more snaps than he ought to be at this point and there is no credible threat besides him.

    Von Miller is getting paid to beat the double team. Willie Young is getting paid to be a guy that can get home if he has support.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Bears really, really miss McPhee.

      • CanadaBear

        Do you think he will play this year? I don’t. Same with Fuller.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    #1. It shouldnt take this long to build a secondary. It’s been what? 8 years.

    • willbest

      Nah, Secondary was outstanding in 2012

      Tillman (3 INT, 3 TDs, 10 FF, 2 FR)
      Jennings (9 INT, 1 TD)
      Wright (4 INT, 1 TD, 1 FF, 2 FR)
      Conte (2 INT, 1 FR)
      DJ Moore (2 INT)
      Kelvin Hayden (1 INT, 4 FR)

      • MB30SD

        Wright. Conte.

        You are dead to me.

        • Bender McLugh

          lol

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Write and Conte are the greatest ever. FUTURE HOFers!!!!

          • MB30SD

            true story

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Yes, Wright and Peanut had great years but our secondary fell apart in’13. It was turrible.

      • BerwynBomber

        The Tiny Tim thing was weird. He completely treed for a few years there. In fact, I recall seeing a stat where over a certain three year run he had more INTs in the league than anyone except Sherman.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Absolute lack of interest on the GM’s apart to replace Mike Brown onwards. Ditto Lac and Olin. Astounding.

      • Bender McLugh

        Olin replacement = Whitehair baby

      • BerwynBomber

        Shea was PE’s idea of the “new” Lach … one can assume.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          ??? didn’t Shea only move to LB after PE got fired?

          • BerwynBomber

            He was always a hybrid guy (coming out of the draft) as far I could tell. Much like Lach. Even if they came from much different positions they were both going to play some type of LB role.

          • CanadaBear

            One of them was good at it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course. And “good” actually undersells Lach.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            true but when Lach came into the league he played at LB immediately. Why would any GM allow his idea of a replacement for Lach play on the DL instead of as an LB right away?

          • BerwynBomber

            Let me clarify: I didn’t mean that PE saw Shea specifically as Lach’s MLB replacement. Only that I think there was hope he would be some type of hybrid anchor for the D.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            ok, that makes more sense. thanks for the clarification.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            That was the year Jeff wet his pants after declaring Chicken Dinner would be Urlachers eventual replacement when he was drafted.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            a lot of us thought the same thing.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Really, I thought most people hadn’t even heard of him before the draft.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            not before the draft… right after the draft and saw his stats, film etc. most believed he was his replacement. However most of us are wishing we could forget him.

    • In Lovie’s defense, you really don’t need shut down corners in a cover 2.
      The last year Jennings was any good was when he had a decent secondary, but don’t think that was 8 yrs ago, was it?

    • Huge Bears Penis

      but we had Bubba Gump Lovie as DC for a couple years.

  • Sactowns#1

    Rumors from around the league- Cutler to Miami? They need a QB and there’s a coaching connection there. Give us a couple players and a #2 draft pick.

    • CanadaBear

      Miami is categorically denying it. According to over the cap MIami does have the room to take on Jay’s salary for the rest of the season. I can’t see Gase risking his job on Jay. If Gase goes that way and Jay doesn’t pan out, he’s gone. If he can’t make it work with Tannehill he will probably get a second chance with a high draft pick. Who knows?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I see it differently Canada. Pace has 3 more years including this one. It’s rebuild time, he has a get of jail card on until he’s had the customary 3-5 years. Guaranteed.

        • CanadaBear

          I can see that but Pace has to find a trading partner for Jay. That won’t be easy. Should be interesting.

          • Miami/Gase obvious connection.
            Browns perpetually need a QB

            Not so obvious….

            Cards. Yup. Arians supposedly loved Cutler. WIth his arm and in that O, would be a good match. That D can withstand his turovers as long as he hits those long balls. Palmer is not only concussed, but playing horribly. They’re in “all in” mode and feeling the heat.

            9ers. I keep saying, “NO WAY can the Chip roll with Gabbert. No way” He has to give him the dreaded ‘vote of confidence’ nearly every post game. Eventually, they might get desperate, and god knows they don’t want to start Kap. THey can give us Kap along with a #1 or two #2s.

          • willbest

            What in the hell about Birdcage makes you think that he can work with Kaep. And if Kaep gets hurt we owe him next year too. The only reason to take Kaep would be to assume his cap damage, and I would rather have the fucking roster spot for something else.

          • In that scenario, we still start Hoyer.

            Kap will merely be the backup, so little inj risk. Obvious restructure too.

            He’ll be insurance. Backups who can run (and historically kill the Pack) I think are nice to have. They don’t have to master the playbook on a short week as much.

          • willbest

            What possible incentive would Kaep have to restructure?

          • BerwynBomber

            Bringing in a 34 year old to Kelly’s system would be a lost marbles moment.

        • willbest

          No. Pace’s evaluation year has been and always will be 2018

          • BillW

            So he gets 2015, 16, 17, 18 drafts – then jugement?

          • willbest

            Sure. He is on a 5 year contract. George needs to decide to extend, fire, or provide 1 last year of evaluation at that point.

      • willbest

        Bears can always sweeten the deal by converting say $6 million of Jay’s current year’s salary into a bonus before sending him out.

        • CanadaBear

          Pace seems like he wants to hoard the cash. At least, that’s the only explanation that makes sense regarding the Barth signing.

          • willbest

            He is a penny pincher, Apparently NO’s cap situation gave him stomach ulcers or something.

      • Joecashflow

        Definitely a job risk Gase will not take.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          but their GM may take the risk and force it on him

          • CanadaBear

            I can’t see the GM sticking his neck out. He’d get the axe along with Gase if it doesn’t work out.

          • Joecashflow

            I think in the end Cutler is a Bear this year and trade/cut next year.

    • Wouldn’t doubt it. Tannenhil looked positively Diabetes Cutler.

      Just a bird brain with absolute no pocket presence, little accuracy, and meh attitude.

      And they don’t call him Turnoverhill for nothing.

      Cutty proved efficient under Gase.

    • BerwynBomber

      I would never have bought the idea a few weeks ago, but Tannenhill looks awful.

      Then again, I guess for a guy like Gase what does Cutler mean in terms of expectation with the front office. If Jay’s being brought in as a bridge guy, could be appealing. If Jay means compete for division/WC right now, might be less so. As I assume Gase would prefer to groom a draft choice if the given the opportunity/time.

      • willbest

        I am pretty sure all vet contracts are fully guaranteed week 1 of the season. Which means you are paying Tannenhill anyway. You don’t bring in Cutler now unless you think you can win with him this year, and if you think you can win with him this year, you are planning on doing it again next year.

        • BerwynBomber

          Not if Cutty’s money is not guaranteed next year. You could bring him in, fail, and send him packing in the off-season.

          Mind, I think it would be mindless because MIA is far from a MIN-type situation. But they could actually do it.

          • willbest

            Sorry, I meant week 1 of the season as in the first football week, not the first week of the new league year. Meaning Tennenhill would have the $13 million or whatever they haven’t paid him already still owed even if they cut him tomorrow.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ok. TBH I was taking SAC’s suggestion as an off-season one anyways, and I would stick by my speculation as to Gase’s calculation. Not that he is the GM there but I assume might have a voice.

  • CanadaBear

    MB you will like these bike throws! The first one is from the Red Hook Criterium. It’s not even the asshole’s bike. It’s his buddy’s.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/10/news/jeremys-redhook-bike-throw-stack_422201

    • MB30SD

      Kanada, these are absolutely spectacular!!

      The first one is Hulk-style. that was a great throw down! Thanks for that

      • CanadaBear

        How pissed would you be if that was your bike that was loaned to him? For an old, overweight biker, carbon fiber makes no sense. For the hard charging crowd, heck yeah! I saw the Wiggins throw live and it was just crazy the way the bike rolled over to the wall and settled in.

        • MB30SD

          I’m sure he has 20 others he can give the dude… or just buy him a new one.

          Yeah, that made me laugh

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog It doesn’t do Jay any favors to discount the success Hoyer had running the offense. “If Jay were in” doesn’t mean anything. Jay wasn’t in.”

    Agreed. The push-back and qualifying seemed silly.

    That said I’m hoping #6 is ready to go for Indy. Hoyer played wonderfully but over the long haul Jay gives you more options/more chances to win. It’s the McCown thing again, albeit Hoyer is more accomplished than McCown ever was.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      I would not say Hoyer is more accomplished. Hoyer and McCown’s stats are pretty similar when looking at their stats before joining the Bears.

      • BerwynBomber

        McCown had as many starts and a similar W-L record as Hoyer before his ’13 run here? I’m genuinely surprised that is the case.

        • willbest

          McCown’s starting record before arriving in Chicago in 2011 was 12-19. He was out of the league in 2010 and was coaching high school football or something. He is now 18-40

          Hoyer before arriving as a Bear was 15-11, he is now 16-12.

    • Joecashflow

      I don’t think anybody gives Hoyer enough leadership credit. He may well be raising the level of players around him. His quick release is a godsend to the Oline. And he spun out of a few sacks, that I dont think Cutler would have. I for one would like to see him start until he at least looses. MLB for Detroit, Whitehead, said he saw no difference in Cutler and Hoyer in how they execute the plays.

      • willbest

        You mean loses a second time

        • Joecashflow

          Yeah, ok, but Dallas, I hang on Birdcage, and the D.

  • BillW

    I enjoyed watching the game and seeing an effective offense. As Andrew and Jeff and others alluded to maybe starting Hoyer made Birdcage put in a real offense – commit to the run; varied personnel (Biggs had a good analysis in the 10 thoughts

    Indy is beatable. 2-3 is not bad considering the injuries. With a lot of football left and the OL getting better every week. Now where is the pass rush?

    Maybe others have posted something similar to this – but everytime I see that patch on the Lions uniform, I wonder “What if William Ford’s middle name was Thomas?”

  • CanadaBear

    What’s the take on the Renteria hiring by the Sox? I thought he did a good job with the Cubs. I’m guessing this is just the start of a rebuild on the South Side.

    • BillW

      Maybe a caretaker manager while they rebuild – similar to what the Cubs did. Or a John Fox analogy – get some professionalism in there first.

    • BerwynBomber

      Lame. But not having the balls to actually fire Ventura was even worse.

      Only hope? There were unconfirmed reports yesterday that a power struggle was occurring between Hahn and Williams and that Hahn might win. Hahn, apparently, wants to burn it down and build from scratch, which to me is a good idea. Whether Hahn is the right guy for the job is another matter, but much better than Williams approach.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t follow the Sox being a Cubs fan but I always hope they do well other than during the crosstown series. I felt bad for Renteria when they shoved him out the door for Maddon (don’t get me wrong, I loved the Maddon hire). Renteria did a really good job with the rookies and won about as many games as he could with that team. The Spanish speaking guys will love him.

        • BerwynBomber

          I didn’t mean to imply that Renteria sucked. Hell, I bet he is an upgrade over Ventura if nothing else. But a) they apparently interviewed no one else (huh?) and b) (and most importantly) depends on what the larger plan is. If they continue with Kenny’s all-in every year plan then the will be almost forever stuck in mediocrity (except in those rare seasons when lightning strikes). Instead, if they try do something along what the Cubs did (the White Sox will never pull it off as well but still), then they will have shown they are playing the long-game and have a healthy plan.

          • CanadaBear

            I didn’t get that from your post. Totally agree. If they do the rebuild (and I think this is the first indication they will), I think Renteria is the perfect mgr. Relentlessly upbeat, hold the players accountable but isn’t a raving lunatic and having a special bond with the Hispanic players is not a bad thing. Hope he does well.

    • BearDown100393

      Uninspiring hire. The bullpen will be better managed. Other than that…..

    • Big Mike

      A “meh” move by a “meh” team. He’s a great guy. Good with young players, latin players love him. He’s got that whole surrogate father relationship with them. Hard to say if he’s a good manager or not, based on his experience with the Cubs because he had zero talent. But the clubhouse never came apart on the way to 90+ losses.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Double “Meh”.

    • Bender McLugh

      he was shit with da Cubbies man

      • Huge Bears Penis

        not really given a chance with the Cubs. the team was still about 2 years away from being good when he coached there.

    • And on a follow up question, how many Sox fans are actively rooting against the Cubs this year?

      http://25.media.tumblr.com/39c539298841d65369b9ce5cc22d188b/tumblr_moyr8b4fHD1sx4jfio1_500.gif

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Here are my 3 thoughts:

    1. We need McPhee back to initial form in the worst way. Young is awful. He’s Black Jared. My new name for him is BJ, because he’s Black Jared and he blows. BJ Young, just like MB likes ’em. He’s not a stand up 3-4 guy, he’s a hand in the dirt 4-3 guy and can’t handle drop out responsibility, and other teams are sweeping and running off tackle into him, because his only hope is the inside stunt and they are waiting for it and then rushing for 15 to his side.

    2. Fuller is the last of the Emery legacy of idiocy. If he has any game left (I don’t think he does), he should be back there with Quartay Jones backing him up at FS. He’s a crap nickel.

    3. Sutton is a 3 tech penetrator, and some team would love them some Sutton at 4-3 3tech, but his whole game is penetration and he’s getting crushed inside on the run. Crushed. Because he’s playing NT, he’s not really one.

    • willbest

      Fuller was not idiocy. Unlike the previous two years nobody was going WTF when the pick came in. He is however a bust.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Since you were not on the blog at the time, you get a pass.

        However, when the pick came in, the Blog all wanted Clinton-Dix. With almost no dissent.

        • willbest

          Sure but Fuller was the consensus best CB still left on the board and was almost certainly going to go in the next 5-8 picks. Its not like he was drafting second round talent or maybe even 3rd round in Long’s case.

        • Bender McLugh

          we had trust……

    • Joecashflow

      We need McPhee and Goldman.

    • MB30SD

      1. He has black awareness

      2. Pass

      3. I have the same problem

    • Big Mike

      All wrong on Sutton. He’s adapted remarkably well. He was force against the Lions.

      When does McPhee come back?

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Since Goldman looks to be out a few more games, I will call you out on the Sutton thing against the Colts.

        • Big Mike

          I’m game. I re watched the game. He was not Goldman, but few are, he has adapted to the new position. I was surprised. He held his grown, played both gaps, occupied blockers, made his linebackers better.

          • SC Dave

            I also thought Sutton looked good against the Lions.

          • Sactowns#1

            Goldman, come back soon. I miss you and the league needs a dominant Jewish player.

      • willbest

        Week 6-9

        • Big Mike

          2nd half of season. Hopefully Bears are still playing meaningful games.

      • I too was surprised by Sutton. I thought he would get run-over, but he seemed to hold his ground, and even penetrate on some instances.

        Really surprised.

        Don’t know if he can keep that up for long though..

  • Freddy G.P. Soft
    • MB30SD

      guy is such a fucking idiot.

      that said, I don’t think he meant that people with PTSD are weak, he was just pandering to his audience. That said, man is a fucking buffoon and has zero filter.

    • SC Dave

      Even before that foot-in-mouth moment, Johnson was in a dead heat among active duty military. Clinton, of course, trailing way back.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Johnson is big in Boulder, Co

      • Bender McLugh

        lots of military personnel haz the hatez for her

    • BearDown100393

      I’m not military. I have PTSD. There are different forms and varying extremes. It can make life a living hell. The therapy and pharmaceuticals are not exactly a barrel of monkeys either. It isn’t a subject to pander or politicize. Not unlike other numerous subjects, the comments generated by that candidate derive from complete ignorance and self-benefit.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        What was your TS?

        • BearDown100393

          I cannot really get into it because I get messed up emotionally still. I get treatment for it on a weekly basis and am finally starting to bounce back. I will say the subconscious is a very powerful part of the brain along with the power of suggestion. And it get turn dark and rather scary very easily under the perfect storm of circumstances. In comparison to a vet, the form of I’m experiencing is less severe. I could not imagine the hell those guys go through with large T scenarios.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            OK, sorry to hear that. At least it wasn’t having to look at Lena Dunham’s poon. That would mess anybody up.

          • Bender McLugh

            poonfulls cereal

          • MB30SD

            the horror

          • Bender McLugh

            it’s the Trestman era, isn’t it? (I KID!)

          • BearDown100393

            🙂

          • Joecashflow

            Not to take Beardown lightly, but I think we all have Post Treatman trama syndrome.

    • willbest

      sigh… Or the full quote

      Q: Will you support and fund a more holistic approach to solve the problems of veterans suicide, PTSD, TBI and other related military mental and behavioral health issues, and will you restore the historic role of our chaplains and the importance of spiritual fitness programs:

      Trump

      “Yes, I would. Look, we need that so
      badly and when you talk about the mental health problems–when people
      come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of
      the folks in this room have seen many times over and you’re strong and
      you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it. And they see
      horror stories, they see events you couldn’t see in a movie, nobody
      would believe it. Now we need a mental health help and medical; and
      it’s one of the things I think is least addressed and–is one of the
      things that I hear like your question–is one of the things I hear the
      most about when I go around and talk to the veterans. So we’re going to
      have a very, very robust–very, very robust–level of performance having
      to do with mental health. We are losing so many great people that could
      be taken care of if they had proper care.

      When you hear the 22 suicides a day, that’s a big part of your question, but when you hear the 22 suicides a day, that should never be. We’re going to be addressing that strongly, and the whole mental health issue is going to be a very important issue when I take over. The VA is going to be fixed in so many ways, but that’s going to be one of the ways we’re going to help. In many respects, that’s going to have to be the #1 thing we do, because it has been left behind.

    • willbest

      Sort of surprised you didn’t bring up Trump mailing his own 1995 tax return to the NYT and then calling foul when the published it.

  • Big Mike

    Hey, has anyone seen any comments about not having Howard in on the 4th and 1 call? The play call was stupid, but not having Howard in was even more stupid.

    • Sactowns#1

      I have to go back and watch it to see exactly what look the D was giving.

      • The Lions were LOADING the box, if I remember correctly.

        Then we rush up with the HB we just got off the street and run it right into their blitz.

    • BerwynBomber

      He was gassed .. at least it appeared to me … he took himself out after the 3rd down play. But Fox blew it by not calling TO there. Not only did we have to use Bell but the whole thing was rushed. And we still had three 1st half TOs in our pocket. Call a TO. Get Howard back in there. Catch your breath and run your best short yardage play.

      That was on the HC. Gotta use a TO there.

      • Bender McLugh

        was Unrein even in there? I didn’t see him

        • BerwynBomber

          I didn’t notice. All I caught live was Howard huffing toward the sideline in search of air and water, Fox and company late to get Bell in, Hoyer and the O rushed for time, etc., etc.

          Of course a Brady, Rodgers, Brees etc realizes that a) it’s the first half, b) TOs are not as much as a premium as in the second half, c) it’s a meaningful point in the first half, d) we are barely getting this fucker off, and e) I better call TO.

          But back-ups and probably half the starters in the league may not process that well/quickly, so ultimately it falls on the HC to burn the TO there. Fox didn’t. I thought it was a mistake.

          • Big Mike

            Time out there, put Howard in, work out a better play call and the Bears score. They were moving the ball well.

        • PaceBot 2000

          Unrein hasn’t been used once this year on at least 6 meaningful drive extending 3rd and 4th and very short opportunities.
          #7thgradeMaddengoals

      • Big Mike

        Or a lead block, or some misdirection. Basically that ran at the A gap, with a guy that detroit had cut

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, Bell looked like a guy the Bears had gotten off the street.

        • totally agree.

          Gotta get a little more creative there.

          I said at the time, maybe fake a jet sweep, or some type of motion. See what the D is doing, then call a TO. Get Howard back in, and go from there.

      • Joecashflow

        We have failed on several 4th downs. They need set option plays, not just bust it in. And they should use up tempo. Know exactly what’s scripted and get er’ done before the D can set.

    • Bender McLugh

      stupidest was the damn spin move by Joiqueueue

      • SC Dave

        Watch the replay. The gap he was supposed to hit did not exists; only a Detroit player two yards nehind the l.o.s. a fully blown assignment on the oline.

        • Bender McLugh

          right, so a spin move makes it better? tall glass of NOPE

          • yeah, no way. That inside run was dead on arrival.

            Like 5 defenders to 3 blockers

          • SC Dave

            Exactly. So criticize a guy for hoping that a spin might make something from an obvious nothing? I don’t get it.

        • Big Mike

          they blitzed into the A gap, stacked the B gaps. Anything inside was dead. That’s why you put a guy in motion across the formation, or use a lead blocker, or something.

          • SC Dave

            Or a play action pass. You know, that dink and dunk shit.

      • PaceBot 2000

        I believe Leno took his responsibility on that one and left it in a parked car in a Houston Piggly Wiggly to die in the heat.

    • I saw somewhere he got temporarily pulled from the game to recover from being kneed in the balls. might have been there, not sure.

      • Bender McLugh

        that was probably in the beginning of the game when he went down and had to be helped to the sideline while holding his junk….thought he had a groin pull.

      • Big Mike

        No, wasn’t that sequence.

    • willbest

      Bell was in on the play before and by the time they decided to go for it they weren’t going to get time to substitute, or perhaps they didn’t want to allow Detroit to substitute.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft
    • I too hope Fox refuses to hand job me

    • PaceBot 2000

      lol, I’m a bears fan first and foremost but also a fan that doesn’t need to see the franchise qb leader dumped because we finally targeted our weapons like a smart 7th grader playing Madden would have.

      • Big Mike

        Birdcage was awful week 1-3. I’m watching the game thinking that Cutler must be thinking, why didn’t we call this shit when I was in the game? Where the fuck was this Howard dude when I was in there. Look there rolling out the QB.. FML..

        • PaceBot 2000

          it sucks to spot the rest of the league 3 games when at least another one of those could have been victories.
          Use your fucking weapons with common sense.

        • willbest

          The $100 million the donks and bears have given him probably cushions the blow, but yeah if you are a competitor… Cutler has to believe Nathan Lane is just trolling him at this point.

        • Joecashflow

          I am gunna give Birdcage a pass on first 3 weeks. They picked the wrong starting RB,,and the Oline was all missing assignments. If no run game, doesn’t matter what the play book called is. I will be watching against Indy. I was impressed with play calling at home. Did we win at home. REALLY?

  • TBC

    *It doesn’t do Jay any favors to discount the success Hoyer had running the offense. “If Jay were in” doesn’t mean anything. Jay wasn’t in.*

    This is very sound from Jeff. It’s very difficult, then, to reconcile this exchange less than 48 hours prior:

    DBB: Bears are absolutely dominating this game and only lead by 4. Not good.

    Some dude: If Jay were in, they’d do way better:

    DBB: Of course. Hoyer is awful.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      You’re like his Twatter conscience

      • TBC

        sometimes it just seems like jeff doesn’t realize everything he’s put on the Internet is… still on the Internet. I have to give him credit though; at least he doesn’t go back and delete stuff that looks silly in retrospect or that he later contradicts. He has integrity.

        • willbest

          I like that Jeff is willing to just change his mind. Every time our Supreme Court changes their mind they have to write 150 pages of gibberish explaining how they didn’t actually change their mind.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Good post. I would agree.

      • A troll fact checker.
        Maybe we can bring back that Loins troll to apprentice for Cheesy

        • Joecashflow

          The Loins dude guaranteed a win. Won’t be back.

          • CanadaBear

            He actually seemed OK for a troll. It was obvious he wanted to talk football. If these trolls paid any attention they would figure out quite quickly that we will interact with fans from other teams if they don’t get all trollish.

          • Scharfinator

            I don’t know if I even consider TBC a troll anymore.

            He’s kind of evolved into a gnome or something…. not one of us, but not an evil monster under a bridge either.

          • Big Mike

            Fuck the Packers

          • Scharfinator

            Amen

          • Agreed.

            He’s welcome back anytime.

            He’s our good luck charm

    • BerwynBomber

      Better late than never. The piling on Hoyer was silly. I don’t even like the guy, and he is really no threat to Cutler. But give a back-up his props and move on.

      • SC Dave

        This. I could not understand the resentment of him QBing a victory.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Cheesy is……”Deep Throat”!

  • MB30SD
  • willbest
    • SC Dave

      Indeed

  • Yay! we’re no longer #32 in power rankings

    29. Bears (1-3; No. 32): The Bears’ next franchise quarterback is in college. Or in high school. Or in diapers.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/04/week-five-power-rankings-6/

  • Joecashflow

    I’m ready to move on to,the Indy game. Two final thoughts on this. If we have a kicker and special teams without their head up their ass, there’s 10 more points we win by. And don’t forget the D didn’t let em score a TD.

    • BerwynBomber

      Barth sucks but that was a 50 yarder at Soldier. Not exactly a gimme. We were just spoiled by prime Gould as we were with prime Hester.

      But the PR was inexcusable.

      • Big Mike

        Fuck POD. Kick it towards the sideline. Even if goes out of bounds. You don’t need a coffin corner kick. 2nd how the hell did they run that back without any blockers? They had 10 men trying to block the kick.

        • Bender McLugh

          exactly, kick it the eff outta bounds in that situation man

  • EnderWiggin

    Lol Butch. Hoyer the Destroyer! Did you make that poster?

    • I heard that in a podcost, and decided to google it. Veerrry tempted to rename my FF team that!

      And for those not privy to Da League

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ee/0a/c5/ee0ac57aa7f8f0b10de940323c5c8ea7.jpg

      And here’s another just for u Waffle

      https://i.imgur.com/jZF0VM7.jpg

      • Freddy G.P. Soft
        • MB30SD

          “Hoyer’s first two Bears games: back-to-back 300+ yards, 2 TDs. Jay Cutler has achieved that one time in 98 games since coming to Chicago.”

          ouch

          • haha, beat me to it

          • willbest

            Of course in that first game only 40 of those yards game before the Bears were down 3 scores.

          • SC Dave

            What if BOTH of Cutler’s were?

          • BerwynBomber

            You mean like all of the ’14 season which Jay QBed?

          • PaceBot 2000

            WORST DEFENSE IN CHICAGO FUCKING HISTORY. what in the fuck is going on here?

          • BerwynBomber

            Responding to Will’s comment that Hoyer’s DAL stats didn’t mean shit because we were down three scores. Was a common occurrence in ’14. Hence, Jay should have accomplished that 300/2TD/0 INT feat pretty easily himself.

          • willbest

            smh… You are Ryan Pace. You are evaluating your bridge QB for next year. You really going to fucking include the 4th quarter in the Cowboys game in your analysis? FUCK NO.

            You don’t do that with any QB unless you are looking for a fantasy football player.

          • MB30SD

            I’m willing to give him another shot this weekend will

          • willbest

            I am not going to kick puppies if Hoyers is in there instead of Jay.

          • Joecashflow

            He won’t get it. Will have wrapped thumb on the side line.

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s funny. But it’s gotta be 300+yards, 2 TDs and NO INTs, right?

            The production I”m assuming Cutty could have duplicated once, but the INTs part? BIG ask …

        • “Hoyer’s first two Bears games: back-to-back 300+ yards, 2 TDs. Jay
          Cutler has achieved that one time in 98 games since coming to Chicago.”

          Yes, but… [switch on CutlerAutoDefense5000]

          • BerwynBomber

            Or the CutlerAutoApologies …

            … to be honest, half the reason I want him gone in the off-season is just to quit reading/hearing that ongoing shell game for another year.

          • SC Dave

            For the record, Cutler has had four different instances of 300+ yard consecutive games. Twice with Denver (first two games of 2008, 6 TD, 1 Int, games 8&9, 5 TD, 4 Int), and twice with the Bears (2009 games 8-9, 3TD, 6 int and games 4&5 2013, 4 TD, 3 int)

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00/gamelog/

          • Joecashflow

            Haha, love that TD/ INT ratio! I can see the Foxy dilemma .

        • SC Dave

          The very end is good. The rest is the usual claptrap

  • BillW
    • Said it last night.

      Blair is a disaster waiting to happen.
      Robbie in doors is probably money.

      • SC Dave

        Have to agree with some of the commenters that carrying two kickers as suggested by the author seems a bit odd.

  • Sactowns#1

    Ok I just watched a replay of the game. The eye check says Hoyer is a real QB. His passes were on time and on target except for a couple which were a bit high yet still caught. Royal is the spark we need and the long pass to him was a thing of beauty. Thrown between two defenders and in stride for a streaking Eddie. Howard looked great and continually got yardage on runs where Langford would have just folded like a paper bag that they now charge me for at the grocery store. Plus side they don’t require my booze to be in a bag anymore. Boom.
    I think the D line played much better than they are getting credit for. They were consistent against the run inside and Riddick really only got big gains outside when contain broke down. Hell take Riddick out of the game and Detroit looks terrible. Sutton came out fired up in the second half. Idk what got him so pumped but get give him some more. In the second half the D line hurried Stafford and forced Det to commit multiple holding penalties; so they may have not had a ton of sacks but they made an impact.
    DB’s played a lot of man, except for the drives towards the end of the 2nd and 4th qtrs.where they shifted to a soft zone. That prob would have scored some points if Stafford doesn’t throw a pick. Bears DB’s looked good, forcing Stafford to throw into tight windows, but a missed long ball opportunity and a couple drops by Crabtree certainly helped. Those are caught and its a different game
    Notes on Sunday ticket replay: They have disabled pause, rewind and fast forward in the quick cut showings (entire game condensed into 30min). This is total BS. They also only have quick cuts of the sunday ticket games so no TNF, SNF, MNF or in this case no Colts vs Jags game. So, while I would like to scout the Jags I can’t. Also total BS.

    • Sactowns#1

      One thing I’m interested to see, how does Howard look this week. The Bears ran the ball a LOT in the 4th qtr and the Lions knew we would be running the ball a lot. I would guess Howard had about 1/3 of his carries in the 4th and half his yards. If he look shungry and fresh then he might be a real bright spot this season.
      And… if the Bears can up their 3rd down efficiency (Birdcage) then this will look like a real offense.

      • SC Dave

        Oh, and I loved the part aboit Langford folding up like a paper bag. Howard got a LOT of yards after contact.

        • Johnnywad

          He’s plenty fast. He just apparently isn’t good enough to find the lanes and hit them.

          • SC Dave

            Well, okay. Maybe that’s it. All I know is that he has yet to impress me.

    • SC Dave

      Your assessment is on the money. I have watched the game three times (once as broadcast, then sorta twice more since the coach film (all22) shows each play from the side and then from the endzone.

      • Sactowns#1

        Were you able to watch the Jags vs Colts? Wondering how they hold up against the run. Once the run was going last Sunday the play fakes really made a couple passes possible.

        • A few of us watched that game, and good lord that Colts D is horrendous. Undisciplined. Soft. Hurt.

          We can def run it down their throats.

          And so is that Oline (might must be the medicine our pass rush needs).

          Colts are in desperation mode though, and at home, but we can DEF beat them.

          As long as we contain TY Hilton and Doyle (yes, Doyle) and keep it close.

          • Sactowns#1

            I saw Jags averaged almost 5 yards a carry but didn’t know if that was from one long run. Good to know and I look forward to this weekend!

          • SC Dave

            So Howard on the fantasy team?

          • For sure. And Miller.

          • Edit. IF cutler plays, not Miller

        • SC Dave

          I did not. I could, but probably won’t

    • Joecashflow

      Yeah, I have watched the game 3 times. Agree, but we have a sample of 1 game. So I keep my conclusions in check. I also noticed our WRs generally had separation, making completions easier. I attribute that to Howard more than Birdcage or the WRS. Stopping the run means somebody aught to be open. Once the run game gets rolling, it allows Birdcage to earn his paycheck. He didn’t and couldn’t in the first 3 games.

  • willbest

    I don’t know Jeff, I am as dubious about Hoyer as anyone, but Birdcage didn’t ask him to do very much and he was very effective at doing what he was asked to do. Quite frankly, if he wasn’t as effective as he was Bears stood a good chance at losing that game. Because despite +2 TO, +8 min TOP, and 414 yards of total offense we only scored 17 points. If he threw an INT or even just missed on a couple passes Bears could easily have been playing from behind.

    • BerwynBomber

      Think field position and no TOs. 30-40 yard drives that end in punts but flip field position are still effective. We had a few of those. Plus, had a missed FG and botched 4th down play.

      • willbest

        No doubt, but field position mattered because our D either roided up or somebody found a video of Stafford torturing kittens. The previous three weeks teams didn’t care where on the field they started against us.

        • SC Dave

          This is the new Bears!

          (I hope)

        • BerwynBomber

          PHI and DAL yes. HOU? Nah. Their O didn’t look all that. But our own O did absolutely zilch after halftime.

  • Am I drunk, or is Jeff defending Hoyer in his twitter, while Irish (who wanted Fitz, McCown, and Fales to QB) defends Cutler?

    Did I wake up in the Bizzaro World?

    • PaceBot 2000

      oh, we’re definitely in bizarro world bro. Chicago fans are fucking delusional.

  • PaceBot 2000

    This Hoyer shit is officially out of control. We were getting out fucking teeth kicked in and were down about 3 scores I believe in Dallas. That is the fucking definition of garbage time. I guess it only applies to our franchise leader in all things QB. The level of acceptance for such mediocrity in that game and the level of sloppy Hoyer blowjobbing and Cutler disregard for an efficient performance against the 1-3 Lions is amusing.

    Guys used to call it garbage time when we were down 2 scores and Cutler was driving. Fucking laughable.

    • SC Dave

      Cutler has plenty of garbage time stats. Except you would call them “comeback attempts”

      • PaceBot 2000

        most teams would Dave. except Chicago fans.

        • SC Dave

          Lol. You are a funny guy

          • PaceBot 2000

            naw, just know football.

          • SC Dave

            Moat here understand that with respect to Jay Cutlrr, reason abandons you.

            I have mine too, but I recog ize them, and dont tell others its just because they are too ignert

          • Huge Bears Penis

            of course you don’t tell people they are “ignert”, you just call them trolls.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft
          • TBC

            Are you saying you’re not funny? I have to say I think you’re pretty funny.

    • BerwynBomber

      Ah, lighten up, it’s fun. I’m all for Cutty being our starter, but the belittling of Hoyer predictability is high amusement.

      • SC Dave

        For about the tenth time, I have to express my amazement that there is so much bad feeling about Hoyer QBing us to our first win

        • All he did in a close divisional game was throw 300yds, 2 TDs, NO ints, 77%.

          AND beat the fucking Loins to snap the 6 game losing streak.

          • SC Dave

            Hadnt thought about the streak thing, but yeah, that too.

          • Joecashflow

            At home, for God’s sake. At home. I hope I never live to see another home streak like that. If I do, I’m moving to Detroit.

        • BerwynBomber

          I’ll give Blogfather credit. He realized how foolish it was and tapped the breaks.

      • PaceBot 2000

        stop inventing me hating on Hoyer, it’s weird, stop Trumping me. Just because you say it over and over doesn’t mean I hated on the guy at all. read my posts. at no point did I belittle his performance. sorry.

        • Sactowns#1

          I’ve heard the Pacebot hates Hoyer, hates him. A lot of people are saying it, not me, but a lot of really smart people are saying it. If you look at Johnny’s record (anti cutler porn) you’ll see he’s a real shady character and you can see why some people might think he hates Brian. And it’s sad they don’t make leather helmets like they used to, really sad. Now we have plastic helmets made in China.

        • BerwynBomber

          Didn’t use the word hate. Said belittling. Don’t know if you were guilty of it or not. Others? Yezzzzzzzzz …

  • PaceBot 2000

    You guys are getting crazy. Look at the papers after 1 game. ONE.

    • SC Dave

      I wont excuse all that, Yonny, especially all the craziness about trading Cutler or whatever.

      But why cant you simply admit that Hoyer played well, and we won?

      Why does that cause you such angst?

      • Freddy G.P. Soft
      • PaceBot 2000

        oh. my. god. dave. read my posts about Hoyer and then just delete your post. A free mulligan.

  • Sactowns#1

    Jaguars had 11 penalties for 145 yards last week. Get the D line going and rattle them early boys!

  • NFL ranks defenses by yards per game. It’s silly but that’s how they do it. Bears are currently a top ten defense. – Jeff

    And I don’t see how since teams continually post long drives against us.

    Maybe it takes them so long that they don’t get 80 yd bombs consecutively?

    • willbest

      Maybe they divide it by time of opponents possession.

    • SC Dave

      I do it by the only stat that matters. Points allowed.

      • willbest

        Defensive points allowed. Its kind of sucks when ST or the offense F you over with return TDs or pick-6s

        • SC Dave

          Well, yeah. Duh.

  • Some nice Timu tidbits from Biggys

    “It was part of the call. Vic (Fangio, the defensive coordinator) dialed it up,” Timu said. “We kind of knew what they were about to do. He’s a chessmaster and that’s what he does. We saw the formation and that told us what play was coming. I just had to time it right. Even if the timing wasn’t right, it would have been good to go for the Bears.

    “Itwas no guess. We knew the indicator of when they were about to snap it.I had to make sure I timed it perfect and it held true to that play. I’m supposed to cause a pile and make sure there are no run-through
    lanes.”

    Timu crashed into the backfield before right tackle Riley Reiff could reach him with a down block and both of them wound up at Zenner’sfeet making it an easy 2-yard loss. That forced the Lions to kick a field goal.

    What was the tell for Timu?

    “That’s classified information right there,” he said. “We play those guys twice. I can’t be giving that to you.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-10-thoughts-bears-lions-biggs-20161003-story.html

    • I love you Timu, but maybe don’t say you know their indicators to begin with, brotha!

    • Joecashflow

      That comment about the indicator may be attributed to Bell, ex – Lion, who was just picked up….and should not have been broadcast to the media.

  • willbest

    Packers working out Housler… why didn’t he make our 53? He looked good in preseason and he did some first team work.

    • I was surprised too. They liked Paulsen more, maybe better run blocker?

      Was just reading Biggsy article.

      We ran 12 personnel (Two TEs) 28 times, to run it down their throats.

      But also threw 3 times to Paulsen (he caught 2) to kinda keep Ds honest.

      • SC Dave

        12 on the field is cheating. If we did it 28 times, Loggains is ten times the genius of hoodie!!!

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    That bitch Meyer gave up all your Yahoo email to the eye in the sky, and didn’t even tell her security chief.

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/american-companies-enable-nsa-surveillance-204000283.html

    • willbest

      unsurprised.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Snowden and his boyz were reading your Ashley Madison correspondence all these years, Will!

        • willbest

          That would be Juan. He is the guy that stole my identity a back around 2006-2007 and shit all over my credit record and caused me to spend somewhere around 70-80 hours cleaning up that mess. I did have the satisfaction of reporting him to DHS because one of his creditors (in violation of the law apparently) gave me his address in their attempts to collect from me.

          That incidentally was my first attempt to deal with a collection agency. I didn’t realize when I initially called they might not believe “the story” I was telling them and that I was in fact trying to “get out” of paying them.

          One of creditors I ended up mailing a draft complaint to, saying I was going to file and serve them if they didn’t get it taken care of in 48 hours.

          Its actually amazing how often that works with uncooperative people

          • SC Dave

            One advantage of being a lawyer, it seems.

    • SC Dave

      Every one of them has. Every. One.

      That’s why people like Snowden are heroes.

    • SC Dave

      And, of course, everything we post here goes straight there too.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Will –

    Guccifer 2.0 just released more dox on Clinton an hour ago.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/guccifer-hacker-clinton-foundation-files-229113

    He says he can prove Obama cut a deal to give a portion of TARP funds back to the DNC as donations. How’s that for some bommy shells?

    • SC Dave

      It wont matter. The voting drones will forget it by election time. I mean, its a whole month from now

    • SC Dave

      What most hilarious is that the Clintonista media, in most stories that expose those traitorous pieces of shit within the first sentence link the accuser to “the Russians”.

      You’d think these assholes would at least have figured out the traditional bugbear of ” the Russians” doesnt have the traction it used to. But then again, many their constituency is that stupid

    • willbest

      And the DoJ dropped the lawsuit against the arms dealer that funneled US weapons to terrorist groups.

      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115

      And of course basement dwellers. And her “dark humor” about using drone strikes to take out Julian Assange went long enough to trouble the audience. And Bill Clinton’s biracial love child. And Hillary had an affair with Yoko Ono (this one is old, but I just heard it yesterday)

      • SC Dave

        No surprise. This is likely the most corrupt administration in American history by now. And that takes some doing.

        Change, right Obama?

        • MB30SD

          Pretty sure the Saudis and their evil little puppets have erraone beat by a mile… How do you calculate a us soldier’s life in oil dollars again?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            The are some vets that are trying to tell their side of the story, you should check it out. It’s heartbreaking.

          • MB30SD

            No thanks, I gots enough shit going on…. but yeah, I always marveled/was saddened that bush, Cheney, rummy, and the gang weren’t all jailed and/or hanged for that little money making con of theirs.

            And these fucking guys are so worked up about pay to play. Smmfh

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        There’s not a story in the mass media that isn’t self serving, scripted, or a disinformation piece. It wouldn’t surprise me if the main purpose is to catalogue people’s responses through mass media.

        “Santa” is makin that list. Ever play scrabble?

        • SC Dave

          Santa and Scrabble? Santa is a proper noun, and hence not allowed. Is that the point, somehow?

      • SC Dave

        Trust me. if Assange in any way threatens the Clintons, the drone strike has nothing to do with humor. Those malevolent pieces of shit will literally stop at nothing.

        • willbest

          Well at this point that would involve a military operation through British soil and declaring war on Ecuador

          • SC Dave

            No, merely a good sniper.

  • Hub on Score

    • Said that London trip will drain the Colts. Real handicap.

      The kicker?

      The Colts WERE given a bye after the trip, but they petitioned the NFL to move their bye later cuz they didn’t want their bye so early in the season.

      They probably looked at the schedule, saw the Bears, and said, “yeah, we could beat them even jet lagged”

      Post that in the locker room, Fox!

      • willbest

        Maybe not. The Jet lag headed east is a hell of a lot worse than the jet lag going west.

        • SC Dave

          This is true. But it’s Irsay’s fucking team. Ginny can at least beat that chump, right?

        • Joecashflow

          You got that right!!

  • BearDown100393
    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, Callahan has been a heckuva find.

  • BerwynBomber

    #3. The biggest disappointment of the first quarter is Willie Young

    Nah, it’s Massie. Young actually had a strong game against PHI. In fact, arguably the best D game of anyone on the team that night. Massie has been more the consistent disappointment.

    • chitownproud85

      I agree with this. If nothing else. Massie was supposed to be a lock in the run game. So far, hes been so “noticeably” bad, that it doesnt even matter. That right side has been atrocious via the eye test, and definitely feels like our number 1 shit show. Young hasnt been what we want or need in terms of pass rush, but hes hardly been bad. “Bad” and “not enough” are two different things.

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    • SC Dave

      I was worried about White, but he seems to be slowly, surely, getting it.

      • willbest

        Until he went and sprained his ankle or worse. And people think Jeffery is brittle.

        • SC Dave

          *sigh* Yeah.

  • BearDown100393

    Twitter love. SMH.

    • chitownproud85

      What. The. Fuck. is going on here? An over zealous attempt at covering up the “we have 0 chance with Hoyer” thing or a genuine attempt to reconcile the fact that he was flat out wrong? I dont get it. Doesnt matter. Dont care who starts, dont care who plays. Win Sunday, fuck the rest.

      • TBC

        It’s incredible stuff. I’m flabbergasted.

        • SC Dave

          Imagine what it would be like if you were a fan.

          • TBC

            I’m devastated for Johnny Waffle. Jeff took the last boat and snuck off in the middle of the night, leaving waffle all alone on Cutler Island. No warning whatsoever.

          • SC Dave

            Jeff will paddle back. Promise.

            I’m just waiting for karma to return, and the Packers have 50 years of shit QBs. I only hope I live long enough to enjoy every season of it. Hell, maybe you’ll even get a RB worth a shit for the first time in franchise history.

          • willbest

            You will come back too Dave. After he is gone and we are rolling with Hoyer next year, and Cutler is putting up 270 3 TD, 1 INT games to start the seasons in Arizona. Arians/Cutler will be ballin so hard that by week 8 Emery will have to flee the country for some place that doesn’t broadcast NFL games.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutler’s Last Stand!

          • And it’ll likely end as Custer’s, except a little more hated.

          • BearDown100393

            Is Washington on the schedule?

          • willbest

            The whole NFCE is.

          • SC Dave

            Not a scenario that I have to concern myself with, Will. Never happening.

          • MB30SD

            And the second cuttys on in another team.

            …doooooonnnn’t caaaaaaaaaare

          • That’s ok. Irish and the tall whites will rescue Waffle.

            Yes, the same Irish that was begging for 9INT Fitz (projected to throw 40 INTs) and McCown over Cutty.

            Will and Data will crank up the CutloDefense5000 as cover fire.

          • PaceBot 2000

            Ur gay

          • TBC

            lol

          • beninnorcal

            I stand with Waffle.

      • BerwynBomber

        I thought someone hijacked his Twitter account. Hah!

        But good for him as a Cutler supporter to recognize how well Hoyer played. I’m a Cutty skeptic but I do want him on the field ASAP but the belittling of Hoyer’s performance is bonkers.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          that performance was against the Lions so it deserves to be belittled!

          • BerwynBomber

            So you’re belittling Howard’s too? And Royal’s? And basically anyone involved with the O, correct?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            yep. Howard should have had another 50 yards and a TD. not going to belittle the WRs individually, but as a group they should have had at least another 100 yards and a TD.

          • SC Dave

            See? It’s just trolling.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            No this is trolling….

            hell if we still had Forte he would have probably gone for 200+.rushing 90 receiving and 3 TDs.

          • TBC

            Trolling comes in all shapes and sizes you guys. I’ve got room enough here for the both of you.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            my bad that’s really not trolling, it’s more nostalgic whining.
            let me try that again.
            The offense could have been worse, at least we still don’t have Forte.

          • MB30SD

            HOFers!!!! All of them!!!!

        • TBC

          Yeah. There aren’t many things more honorable than swallowing your pride and adopting a new perspective. But…this is a complete about-face with no mea-culpa. This is eerily similar to McCown-Cutler 2013 and he’s arguing on the other side of it this time and pretending like his previous arguments never came out of his mouth. Is this Jeff’s Cutler exit strategy. Move on, full speed ahead, as if he didn’t spend 9 years leading the defiant charge?

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah, read between the lines. His Cutty love is still strong. He just saw the prudence in not being a child about things. Plus, he knows Hoyer will soon collapse — there is a reason he was second on the depth chart. So Cutty’s year is far from over.

            In terms of the ultimate Cutty exit, who the hell knows. Sometimes I think Cutty will be QBing the Bears into his mid-forties. As an average starter, he has survived a ton of coaching/FO changes.

          • SC Dave

            Cutty will be starting when his hand is good (I almost typed “when he’s right”, but…).

          • Hoyer tends to collapse in playoff-intensity type of games. But, we won’t have to worry about those for a while.

            However, as I have pointed out – I don’t think he’ll have a 4int collapse.

            His career high is 13INTs in one season. Cutty’s LOW is 11 (and he missed a game).

            Last year Hoyer threw 7INTs.

            I don’t think Hoyer will “collapse” as much as he’ll seem impotent vs some Ds, maybe even looked rattled.

            But the only D I see that might do that to him is the Vikes

          • willbest

            Hoyer has never played 16 games in a season, the year he had 13 INT he only played 13 games. Last year he played 9 games. Jay Cutler’s 11 was in 15 games.

            But he is better in the sense that he throws 1 less INT per hundreds pass than Jay Cutler does (2.4% vs. 3.3%).

            Of course Jay also throws 1 more TD per 100 passes than Hoyer does.

            Surprisingly they have the same yards per attempt at 7.2

          • BerwynBomber

            Actually, their career PRs are close too. Jay at 85 and Hoyer at 81 (if memory serves).

            Unfortunately, ESPN does not provide career QBR on QBs in their player pages. Seems idiotic given that QBR was one of their concoctions.

          • willbest

            Hoyer’s career QBR is roughly 51, and Cutler’s is roughly 53.5.

            If I exclude 2016 though Hoyer’s carrer QBR drops to 48.75, while Cutlers stays the same.

          • SC Dave

            And when you exclude Cutler’s best year you get…?

          • willbest

            sigh… its not his best year. Its 2 games, this year isn’t in the books yet. Hoyer’s best year was last year and it was 59.6. The year before he was 39.8 Cutler’s best year was for the donks and it was 67 (though 2011 was close).

          • SC Dave

            Sorry, I misread. I saw it as 2015. Mea culpa.

            But I’m not in the least surprised that Cutler’s best year was with Denver.

          • 2 points more = $12M more

            yikes

          • willbest

            Being able to bomb the football is worth $12 million more dollars.

          • How much is not throwing INTs or getting stripped sacked worth?

          • SC Dave

            That’s a tough metric, Butch.

          • willbest

            Hoyer’s sacked % is 5.5, Cutler’s is 6.2

            Hoyer also loses a 1/2 yard more than Jay when being sacked. fumbles is a difficult stat to track down immediately so I don’t have those for you.

          • BerwynBomber

            Here’s a real interesting one that I saw on ESPN TV the other day but have been unable to track down on the ‘net.
            They showed a graphic of QBs who received most roughing the passer penalties. (the context was that Newton does not receive them so I believe the sample size was from when Newton began his career till present).
            Most on the list with 5 were Brady and Eli. Tied for third — hold onto your seat here — were Cutty and Rogers with 3 each (and Rodgers had been hit about 30 more times). And Newton only had one.

          • willbest

            That must have just been last season. I know cutty has had more than that since 2012

          • BerwynBomber

            Yup, you’re right. It was. Anyway, interesting graphic.

          • Johnnywad

            Negative $12M.

          • BerwynBomber

            Interesting. So basically the PER-type football analytics suggest Cutler is a slightly better QB. Can’t say I’m shocked by that finding, though I’m surprised Hoyer rates as high as he does.

            Most back-ups, I assume, would rate 5 or 10 points lower (than Hoyer) depending on the metrics used (traditional PR or QBR).

            P.S. Where did you get career QBR #s? Did you factor them yourself?

          • willbest

            Keep in mind Hoyer’s sample size is limited. So you have the year he shat it up in Cleveland (2014) for 39.8 on the worst team in the division, and last year in Houston on the best team in the worst division where he got 59.5.

            I am not trying to belittle him. He did afterall win the starting jobs in both Houston and Cleveland, just pointing out that Jay has 100+ more starts than he does.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, it’s a valid point. I would trust Jay’s #s more than Hoyer’s because of sample size.

          • SC Dave

            🙂 If we get to the point where we HAVE to worry about playoff-intensity, it would be a great leap forward.

          • Johnnywad

            Hey, uh, Butch……. The guy hast started exactly 46 games in nine season for six different teams. So let’s not put much stock in his career high for interceptions being 13. And his one playoff start was indeed a 4 INT collapse.

            How about we just feel content with Sunday’s win and move on? Hoyer isn’t good.

          • SC Dave

            I’m fine with that, Johnny. And with as many weeks as it lasts.

  • willbest

    Elon Musk apparently doesn’t follow any women on Twitter. Elon Musk is a smart man.

    • Now that I think of it, I don’t think I do either.

      I think I followed one FF gal who came on an ESPN podcast. But she was just a normal girl, no celeb.

      Oh, and I follow sarah Trestman and Epic Boobs!

      (Highly recommend Epic Boobs!)

      • willbest

        I don’t follow any female personalities, but there are women that make posts for SCOTUSblog and some of the other info feeds I follow.

        • SC Dave

          SCOTUSblog? I know I would just be constantly pissed off, but maybe you lawyers find some interest in following the rubber stamping of the destruction of our Constitutional rights in the name of political correctness.

          • willbest

            Its a group of lawyers that follow the SC closely, and provide news about who is filing, and summaries of what they are filing. Provide commentary on what the Justices are asking in oral arguments, etc. They are liberals but its a reasonable summary of what the SC is up to, and they always link to the opinions/transcripts/briefs/etc if you want to go look at the primary material.

          • SC Dave

            Thanks, but I’m not interested enough to read much from liberals. They are typically so damned sanctimonious.

          • willbest

            In a different time it would be a trade publication instead of a blog. There isn’t “get a load of this dumbass Thomas”. Lawyers might be liberals but at least they have been forced to understand textualist legal theory even if they don’t agree with it.

          • SC Dave

            A bit out of my league on “textualist legal theory”, but in the absence of motivation to look the shit up, I’ll assume it means that one should pay attention to what the words are, rather than what you want them to be.

          • willbest

            Pretty much. Thomas and for the most part Scalia, read the words that were there, gave them their plain meaning and made their decision based on that. It doesn’t mean that hate poors and minorities as it gets reported about how assholish they are.

          • SC Dave

            Actually, this is as I expected. What is written is never enough for those that believe they are in sole possession of the moral high ground.

  • willbest

    The Donald will be live tweeting the VP debates. I do love me some Mystery Science Theater 3000, but I think I will have to pass.

  • SC Dave

    Okay, so someone asked. I went to look at the 22 for Colts-Jags. I lasted until about halfway through the second quarter.

    The Colts lines, on both sides of the ball, are terrible. If we don’t destroy that team…

    • SC Dave

      … or at least win with a game manager…

    • Yup. I think they’re starting THREE rooks on the Oline.

      • SC Dave

        Bitches better not “come of age” against us.

    • willbest

      Colts put up 20 points against the Broncos at Mile High, and at least 26 points against everybody else. Luck can still put points on the board.

      • SC Dave

        I don’t doubt that. The guy needs to have a real team.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I see Andrew Luck on this Colts’ team and I can’t help thinking “Archie Manning and New Orleans Saints of the 1970s”.

  • Shady

    The Bears play their season finale on New Year’s Day in Minny. Do you think it would be worth the price of admission to check out that new stadium?

    • Joecashflow

      Definitely. Even visiting players say it’s awesome.

    • BerwynBomber

      Is it closed roof or rectractable?

      • willbest

        Closed. First one since Ford field. Owners couldn’t get the state to pony up the extra 400 mil

        • BerwynBomber

          Ugh. I hate domes.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Closed roof but a large glass doors/walls on the west side can be opened up to give an “outdoor” feel, also it apparently has a glass roof.

  • BerwynBomber
  • PaceBot 2000

    Ugh, ODB is such a vadge.

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