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The Possibilities at Eleven: Volume IV

| April 21st, 2016

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Prospect Profile: Joey Bosa, Edge, Ohio State

Pros: Considered the best edge prospect in the draft. Very strong at the point of attack, with great technique. Should be able to be an impact player Day One and considered a top-five talent.

Cons: Not the kind of guy who’s going to lead the league in sacks every year. He’s a good athlete, but not great. Certainly isn’t JJ Watt or even a smaller version of JJ Watt. Doesn’t add speed to the Bears defense.

Summary: No use taking a lot of time to over-think this one. Bosa should go very high and likely will. He may not get 15 sacks a year, but he should regulary eight eight-to-10 while setting the edge against the run.

Jeff’s Thought: I think the Bears (and Bears fans) would be thrilled if the team has an opportunity to take Bosa. The JJ Watt comparisons are being made for one reason: he’s white. Does every white guy have to get compared to JJ Watt?

Prospect Profile: Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

Pros: Considered a complete back. He can catch passes, block and make people miss. Very good size and speed ratio. Doesn’t look like he’s 225 pounds, but he was great in short-yardage.

Cons: Not explosive like Todd Gurley or Adrian Peterson. Big but doesn’t always run with power. Hard to judge how much his success was due to having a very good offensive line.

Summary: The consensus top running back in the draft will likely be available when the Bears pick and would make a lot of sense as he’s very similar to Matt Forte. Not sold that his strengths as a back are what the Bears need. Jeremy Langford should be a good receiver out of the backfield and both he and Ka’Deem Carey were good in short-yardage situations. Still, if it’s just about adding talent, Elliott would be hard to pass up.

Jeff’s Thought: If you’re taking a running back with the eleventh pick in the draft you better be damn sure he’s special. Especially when the Bears may have a special back on their roster. I’m not buying the Bears interest in Elliot.

Prospect Profile: William Jackson III, CB, Houston

Pros: Checks all the boxes. Possess great size, length and overall athleticism for the position. Intercepted five passes with two returned for touchdowns and had 23 passes defensed.

Cons: The competition he played against wasn’t the greatest. Cornerbacks usually have a difficult time adjusting to the NFL and that could be especially true for him. Some question is his hips are hip and if he gambles too much.

Summary: Vic Fangio’s defense doesn’t put a lot on the cornerback, but what defensive coordinator wouldn’t want to upgrade the talent at that position and allow their team to be more versatile? Jackson is going to be a project, but with Fangio calling the defense and Ed Donatell as his position coach, he could become a premier cornerback.

Jeff’s Thought: I don’t know much about the kid. But I do know that Andrew would be secretly (or not so secretly) thrilled if the Bears took Jackson. 

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  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    A project cornerback. At 11.
    No.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Trying to think of any CBs who come into the NFL and are studs straight away ….. technically, ll guys you draft are projects, no? I think he’d be a solid pick for us, we look pretty thin after Fuller/Porter. WJAX III would be great for us. He wouldn’t need to start straight away either.

      Not sure what Fangio’s defense has to do with “not putting much on the corners” either. Everything is on the corners, from covering the edge to going deep. You get toasted deep, it was on you. Runner turns the corner and you’e not there, it’s on you. Corners get paid top whack for a reason.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Josh Norman didn’t come on until year 3, iirc. He was a fifth rounder. Would be interested in finding a first round CB that has paid immediate dividends.

        • MB30SD

          Gotta find the gems in the late rounds mate… that’s what makes a great gm. Any asshole can make the obvious value pick in the early 1st…. well, except our last two assholes who shall remain namesless by me.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I always felt you have to nail your top picks. They’re more costly to miss on. If you get starters from your top three, nobody cares if you miss on the lower ones. That Angelo missed EVERYWHERE didn’t help.

            I was pumped with our picks last season for the first time ever. And I can’t wait to see what he does with NINE this time. Maybe QB3 is sitting there at 11 and somebody screws the pooch to get the 11th off us.

          • MB30SD

            Can’t wait for man Christma this year.

            …and we have TWO 1st rounders!!!

      • Well, CB value depends on scheme.

        Cover-2 CBs are viewed as a dime-o-dozen, and one of the reasons I suspect the Panthers let Norman walk.
        Chico coached under Lovie, and they never valued, or needed, a “shutdown” corner (which Norman isn’t, but wants that type of $).

        WJAX by most accounts is small. This could go a lot of ways. There’s “smaller” CBs who can ball, but then he could turn out to be only a nickle ala Jennings (which still plays about 60%, esp in a division with Rodgers and FatLesbo).

        We also had that one promising CB (forgot his name. Callahan?)

        Historically, Fangio hasn’t really drafted high secondary guys though, for whatever reason.

        As for Bosa, he’s DEF no Watt. That’s just lazy “he’s white. Watt” comp

        If I were to compare him to a white DE, it’d be Chris Long but with a douchy ‘tude’.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I thought WJ3 was relatively tall and heavy, which was the plus in his column.
          He hasn’t played great competition, he hasn’t put up eye-popping numbers in games (good but not astonishing given the level he’s playing)…he was a workout warrior in the draft.
          Even his NFL profile says it could take him a year or two to start.
          I’m sure he looks good playing Sister Mary School of the Hard Knocks but not interested in seeing Jordy Nelson roast him twice a year.

          • Yeah, ur right, I was thinking of Hargreaves for some reason who is “only” 5’10 and “wiry”

            From what I can decipher from POX, they like length and production.

            Also, like I mentioned, Fangio in SF never really coveted CBs.

            But this is where it gets interesting. We’re not exactly privy to the machinations of what went on in SF.

            Maybe Fangio did like CBs in the 1st round, but others didn’t or went BPA.

            And we don’t exactly know how much pull Fangio has with Pace or Pox.

            There’s always strange dynamics that go on for the draft.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Just because AD calls him a project doesn’t mean he’s a project. GP, his uncle, benefactor and greatest fan, vouches for his skills. He is a baller but do we need him at 11?

  • Big Mike
    • MB30SD

      I just so don’t get this shit. Smfh

      • Irish Sweetness

        TBH, I have little doubt Bellifat finds Shea a chore to do, and he ends up doing it well … just because he’s only got one thing to do. That kind of thing. Being Mike Singletary in a 4-3 just wasn’t his thing.

        Did we even try him as a pass-rushing 3-4 OLB? We used him as an edge rusher in a 4-3 .. then asked him to play Mike … without the obvious interim position of 3-4 pass-rusher. Bellifat didn’t miss that.

        • MB30SD

          He’s not a great football player mate…stop being a cunt

          • Big Mike

            The examples they give, tell me he could salvage a few more years out of his career.

          • MB30SD

            We’ll see I guess.

          • Big Mike

            Believe me, I’m not on the CD bandwagon any longer. But i’m very curious to see what happens to him in that environment.

          • MB30SD

            Me too. I think he’ll do better than he did for us, but that’s not saying much… Dudes just have a ceiling. It’s just goat biology

          • Irish Sweetness

            He doesn’t need to be, and Bellicheat knows it. His mission will be : the ball gets snapped, Shamus, you run towards the QB. That’s it mate, got it?
            He grunts. Good to go. He gets 6.5 sacks and Bellifat looks like a genius.

            This is more likely to work with Bostic though. And if it works with both, then Bellifat ascends to heaven on a staircase of flowers and light.

          • MB30SD

            If he gets lucky with 4 sacks I’ll be shocked

          • CanadaBear

            By the end of this year I think BB will find out that PE had the reverse Midas Touch.

          • Scharfinator

            SHHH DAVE MIGHT HEAR YOU

        • CanadaBear

          BB misses in the draft all the time. He’s been way ahead of the curve with the more picks theory but a lot of those have been stinkers. There’s not one thing about CD that stands out no matter where he was drafted. Refuses to take people head on and has no instincts. After he gets trucked by the QB a few times BB will fall out of lust.

      • Big Mike

        Lots of math and guesses to say if you reach for a qb in the late first round, that kid who is likely not a blue chip guy can’t live up to they hype of being a first round QB. If you reach in a later round, the kid has a better shot of working out.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Bosa: “Doesn’t add speed to the Bears defense.”

    • AlbertInTucson

      And what does the Bear defense really NEED, boys & girls?

      • MB30SD

        A 3rd round white project at safety?

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          who was hurt all through college?

          • AlbertInTucson

            BZZZT! Even MORE wrong. Sorry. Thank your for playing. NO parting gift for you at the door for YOU!.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            old vets on one year deals that used to be good?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Security will be ushering you out of the studio.

        • AlbertInTucson

          BZZZT! Wrong. Sorry. Thank your for playing. We have a lovely parting gift for you at the door.

        • Don’t let. I wouldn’t be surprised if we did that!

  • MB30SD

    No on CD 2.0, no on Floyd (the fb player, not the band NB), no on any project /non-obvious #11 value guy.

    No reaching!!! Just pick the best fucking graded guy at a position of need still on the board when our # is called….it’s really pretty fucking simple ya cunts. Hesus christo… it’s not fucking quantum/nuclear/particle physics.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hmmm. The best graded guy at a position of need could be Floyd at OLB – we could definitely use a pass-rushing OLB. In fact, the only glaring position of need is DE, and I don’t want any of the “top-graded” DEs that will be there. They’re too short (for me). Buckner is the only one with length. He could be there though.

      Floyd could be a real joker in the pack. He can get his rush on. He can track runners wide. He’s got to be a huge vertical obstacle rushing straight at a passer, and dropping back into pass pro he covers a huge radius you have to throw around. Sexy pick 4 me.

      • MB30SD

        …of course he is, ya cunt

        • Irish Sweetness

          Aw … Kev …. don’t mate …

      • Big Mike

        We can use a lot of things. Floyd would be a good pick. There’s 10 guys that would be good picks.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And the Titans and Browns will find that out! SOBs.

          • MB30SD

            Reread that sentence back to yourself. Titans might get lucky, the Browns will, in the end, always browns themselves

    • Big Mike

      I spit coffee reading this. I’ve lost track of which guys I liked and didn’t. Can’t tell you what scenarios I’ve looked at. We’ll know when we know. This was fun for me when I was finding out about different players. But then it became a chore keeping up with the spin. Myles Jack all of a sudden got worse without doing anything, some other guy is now a top 10 pick, all without a ball being snapped, injury being reported etc. It’s all based on rumors and what teams/agents want to feed to the media.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I trust Pace. I’m already cool with the pick without knowing it yet. I know I’m not going to hear the pick and then have to think … FKN WHO??

        • Big Mike

          I feel the same way. He’s so far done a lot of things right. He has not gone against the grain just to prove he’s smart, he’s gotten good value in FA, the draft and the I drafted rookies. In my book if the players he picks up equal or exceed their slot. That’s pretty remarkable. I can’t think of a single guy he’s acquired where I think, “damn, that guy wasn’t worth (whatever we used to get him).

        • MB30SD

          Exactly. Thass alls I’m lookin fo

          • DaMurph

            I never want that feeling I had when they announced Shea McClellin. The bloggers were in that bar looking at each other going, WTF??

          • MB30SD

            Exactly murph my maings

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t know any of these college players ever so I rely on you guys that watch college ball &/or are draftniks. Universally everyone that fits that description on the board were horrified by the pick. That pretty much told me all I needed to know because as a group we rarely all agree on anything (except boobs).

          • MB30SD

            Mmmmmmm… booooobies

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Hahahaha, will never forget that moment. “Who???”

          • CanadaBear

            That’s one reason I’m surprised you guys talk about getting together for a draft party. I would think all of you would be traumatized forever after the CD pick.

  • MB30SD

    Itish…. fucking kevin us such a cunt

    https://youtu.be/OrIOWVhFclg

    • Irish Sweetness

      Kevin really is a c**t. I think I’d BBQ the F*cker.

      • MB30SD

        Looks like he was trying to.

        It’s just goat biology maings. Dominant male asserting his place when another visiting male is brought into his territory.

        Simple biology… although the anthropomorphism is much much funnier

        • CanadaBear

          No kidding. Goats are cool enough but if they want to butt you or climb up on a car or really any other thing, they will. Alphas being Alphas.

          • MB30SD

            jep. There’s a winery in cape town (just outside) that has a goat as their brand… you go to the winery (shitty wine for the region) and they have goats climbing in trees and shit… it’s creepy.

          • CanadaBear

            I went out to my buddy’s, friends place out in the country. The guy has goats and I’ve been around them so they didn’t bother me. We go inside and smoke a big fatty. When we come out, a goat is on top my buddy’s car. He about shit himself. It was a ’68 Firebird 400 that he bought new and it was about 3 years old. I tried my damndest not to laugh too hard. I failed my mission.

          • MB30SD

            they’re weird fucking animals

  • Doc Nitty

    Sign Josh Norman.

    Sign him now.

    • willbest

      As somebody pointed out they paid Greg Hardy $13 million to leave, but won’t pay Norman $14 million to stay… And yes I know he didn’t want to sign the tag, but come August when he starts losing money he will pick that right up. He has only gotten 2.3 million, which is a good chunk of money, but after personal rehab/medical training costs, agency fees, dues, taxes, etc its not anywhere near FU money.

      Something fishy is going on.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        he probably took such a dickish stance on the 16 mil ask that the Panthers came back just as hard with a big fuck you. They know he won’t get that kind of money anywhere and you can’t cave in to one guy who seems like he will bring a shit ton of drama.

    • Irish Sweetness

      For 17M or whatever he wants? Nein, danke.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
  • Irish Sweetness

    So I was watching Oregon v Ohio, ostensibly to look at Elliott (his QB looks okay!) and Buckner.
    That’s two games with Buckner I’ve watched, and I don’t think I’ve seen him make a play.

    It’s Taylor Decker the LT for Ohio that I ended up watching. 6’7 … does it all, did nothing wrong.

    Where’s he projected to go?

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      I said the same thing about Buckner. He doesn’t jump off the screen for the Ducks.

      Go watch film of Peppers in his college days at NC. He jumped off the screen.

  • Irish Sweetness

    man, this is fun!

    http://predictpick.nfl.com/

    Drag’n’drop the picks. Lists all the team needs. Have a go, see what you come up with….

    I played it :

    1. Rams Wentz
    2. Eagles Goff
    3. SD Tunsil
    4. Dallas Jalen Ramsey (could go with Elliott)
    5. Jags Myles Jack
    6. Ravens Ronnie Stanley (or Ramsey if girls go with Elliot)
    7. Niners Conklin (might draft Buckner)
    8. Browns Bosa
    9. TB Vernon Hargreaves/WJAX
    10. NYG Floyd/Ragland

    Leaving Buckner or Elliott as the highest rated players available for the Bears at 11. (Or Conklin and Elliott if the Niners draft Buckner).

    If the Giants do pull the trigger on Elliott we’re maybe looking at WJAX, Leonard, Ragland, possibly Buckner.

    With the distinct lack of a DE for the Bears, Pace will feel honor bound/pressured to picking Buckner over Elliott, and my gut feeling tells me this will be a wrong move in years to come – unless their grade on Elliott is so much higher than Buckner’s. If you think HOF/multiple PBs are you thinking Elliott or Buckner ?

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Joey Bosa in Cleveland. Ha.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Irish, how would Pace be pressured to pick the consensus top rated 3-4 DE in the draft…..you know, since we need a 3-4 DE that is preferably a consensus top rated player? He wouldn’t be pressured at that point if Buckner was there. He’d simply have to press the PICK PLAYER button instead of sneezing and accidentally pushing the DON’T PICK PLAYER button.

  • Shady

    I think the key to a strong draft for the Bears is going to be nailing the 2nd round pick. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the Bears jump to the head of the line of teams who had the same record in 2015 in the 2nd round. There will probably be a nice group of guys who were projected 1st rounders who end up slipping for one reason or another that the Bears can select from. So… If the Bears take a guy you didn’t see coming in the 1st, there should be plenty of opportunity to appease the so called draftniks in the 2nd.

    • Sactowns#1

      I’d say it’s the 3rd and 4th round . We have 72, 106, and 127. If we don’t land one quality player out of those three picks then it’s a big whiff.

  • Bender McLugh

    Holy crap, Prince is dead.

  • Bender McLugh

    “The news comes days after a flight Prince, 57, was a passenger on had to make an emergency landing
    at Quad City International Airport in Moline, Illinois. The singer was
    then rushed to a local hospital, where he was treated for the flu, his rep confirmed. He was released three hours later.”

    $10 Moline gave him one of their home-grown diseases.

    • CanadaBear

      Maybe the John Deere green and yellow paint caused a reaction with the Purple One? JD’s corporate HQ’s is Moline. It’s also mentioned in the chorus of Bob Seeger’s Fire Down Below.

      • Bender McLugh

        aptly titled tune for Moline “Dumpster Fire of a Town”, IL

    • willbest

      In days? They have Ebola? I doubt Prince has taken particularly good care of his body. At the very least he was on antibiotics.

      • CanadaBear

        What leads you to believe he didn’t take care of his body? He was an odd duck but I don’t think he was known as a big substance abuser or anything like that.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Never heard anything of the sort. In fact, my understanding was that he was a complete teetotaler.

          • willbest

            There are rumors of cocaine and ecstasy. But who knows what prescription drugs he was on.

          • Captain Obvious

            I thought he was a Jehova’s Witness and didn’t do any drugs at all.

            He was weird enough without drugs.

          • willbest

            JW some time in the early 00’s. It was my understanding of JW thoughts range from only prohibiting the transfusion of blood all the way up to even pills are defilement of the flesh. Meaning much more wiggle room than seen on TV

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            there are no calories in “backup dancer vagina”.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            MB, sounds like you are on the wrong diet plan. Or the right one.

          • MB30SD

            I’m all about back up dancer vagina.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Where’s #43?

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Damn, could this be the next Mike fucking Brown?

    • MB30SD

      where you been maings

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        haha, I’m late to the Karl Joseph train.

        • MB30SD

          jes, rabbit’s already boned him.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Well, leg-humped at least.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            he got hurt but very early on in the season so he’s good to fucking go maing. If I can’t have Ramsey I want a guy that truly made me think of Mike Brown. This kid made me smile when I saw him bring heat on dudes then show emotion and get pumped up.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            And same number of picks in 4 games last year than WJ3 had in 13.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I want him and/or D-Lee.
      Dude is beast.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        His career will be short and violent.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I’ll take 3-4 years of him doing this:

          Look at the time remaining, game situation, form, competition, everything.
          And this was him as a true freshman!!!
          And that dude he stopped and popped was a senior that ended up in the draft, not some scrub from an AAC school.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Crazy man, look at Mike Brown’s highlight film, it’s very similar

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yup, that’s why I wub him so.

          • MB30SD

            trip to SC planned.

            “Yo you know where Mike Brown at?”

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I could probably find a signed Husker jersey of his without too much trouble…pop that on, get a megaphone, and we’re set.

          • MB30SD

            I’m in!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Can you rent low-riders out there? Like purple dropped convertible Cadillacs?
            Because that would, like, make my life complete.

          • MB30SD

            maybe… I’m sure we could make it happen

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            He was the one Husker I liked back in the day.

  • MB30SD

    It’s the most beautiful word in the English language

  • MB30SD
  • CanadaBear

    Not a huge Prince fan but it’s hard to deny his talent. Songwriting, singing, shredding, he was the whole pkg. May he R.I.P.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Minneapolis is a depressing place

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Only six months out of the year.

      • CanadaBear

        Pretty sure Prince made it less depressing early in his career.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And “Dead at 57” sucks, regardless.

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  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I believe that the Eagles knew that Dallas was now a bigger fan of Lynch than Wentz, and knew they had to get ahead of them to get their QB…that moving up to 8 was no longer sufficient.
    It’s the only reason that earlier trade makes sense to me.

    • Big Mike

      Walk me through this? Did the Eagles jump ahead of Dallas?

      • willbest

        Not the first time.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Yes, Dallas is at 4. Eagles originally traded up to #8 in exchange for the #13 pick as well as Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonzo.
        They had to know that wasn’t sufficient to get one of the big two QBs, as at that point everyone was talking about Wentz/Goff going in the top 5.
        So who were they targeting with it?
        Now, they give up most of the draft to leapfrog all the way to #2, knowing that it’s either Goff OR Wentz going #1. And we know they are going after a QB…and that the guy they want will be there. How can they know that at this point unless it’s a highly ranked QB who:
        1) Isn’t Wentz or Goff (if you don’t know which one LA is gonna take, how do you know your guy will be there)
        2) wasn’t going to drop beyond 7 (there is lots of buzz about how much Dallas loves Lynch)

        • willbest

          Their wording of their statement was something like they don’t know who is going at #1 but they know who they are taking at #2.

          Which means they aren’t planning on taking Goff or Wentz which is who the Rams are claiming to be interested in. That leave Lynch.

          • Big Mike

            That’s the only thing it could mean, unless its not a QB

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          And keep in mind, the idea of losing THE guy they want to a division rival has to be maddening to an OCD nut like Pederson.

        • Big Mike

          So your theory says Lynch is the second pick of the draft, because that’s who the Eagles were targeting all along? Wow! So Wentz/Goff is available at 3-10. Which means another stud gets pushed out of the top 10 to the Bears.

          That would be ideal. I didn’t think Lynch was that highly rated.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Me neither, but it makes sense especially when you factor in the chatter about how much Dallas likes him.

          • Big Mike

            Would be good news for the Bears. Lynch going in top 10 is good news for the Bears. The one scenario that worries me, is Lynch is sitting there at 11. I don’t know fuck all about evaluating QBs. Even the guys that do can be made to look like idiots, when the game starts. But there is a strong case to be made that taking Lynch (unless the Bears have him evaluated as 2nd/3rd round guy), is the right move. Frustrating as hell, but staying off the QB merry go round, while you still have a pretty good QB is a franchise maker. It’s the only reason GB has done what they’ve done. They could make mistakes all over the place, because QB has been settled in a HOF manner for them for the last 15-20 years. BTW, you can’t tell me that was nothing but dumb luck twice in a row.
            The frustrating thing is, we won’t know if Lynch is any good for a few years hopefully. It’s almost like having your first round pick get injured and not play all year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Lynch going in the top ten means Bosa/Buckner/Elliott there at 11 perhaps….

          • Big Mike

            Bossa. Oh my….

          • I’ve stated from the start that I’d only take Wentz at #11 (at QB).

            Goff def looks very polished, a lot like Vadgers, but I can’t get over his somewhat slight frame and small hands (maybe I’m traumatized by Rexy).

            The other guys just look like 2nd rounders to me.

            Then again, Carr/Cousins/Dalton types do OK, but they’re not upgrades over Cutty next 4 years.

          • Big Mike

            Yeah, but we’d be off the QB hamster wheel. With a pretty good back up in place. Lynch is interesting at 11. Bug if he’s still there, I’d bet the farm that a QB hungry team is going to be willing to trade. Starting this year the Bears need to draft a QB in the first round. I hope they are never drafting this high again. It’s no fun spending a #1 on a developmental QB. But better odds that guy works out than a developmental QB taken in the 6th round.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse
          • Big Mike

            Damn.. who does that drop down to the Bears. 1 more guy is now that much more likely.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If Wentz doesn’t go top two, does he end up dropping like a rock a la Rodgers did? The 49ers would love to move Kaep but I don’t see that happening…unless they draft Wentz anyway, and Kaep’s ego overtakes his checkbook.

    • willbest

      I know Romo is brittle, but even next year Romo has 20 million of dead money so he isn’t going anywhere before 2018. #4 seems a bit pricey on any player who is in all likelihood not going to start until half way through his rookie contract.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        That applies just as much to the Eagles as it does to the Cowboys.

        • willbest

          No it doesn’t. Bradford only has 5.5 million dead money in 2017. They could trade him to a team willing to pay him $17 million (or $13 mil if its after the Eagle’s pay his 2017 roster bonus).

          If Romo leaves the Cowboys for any reason after 2017 they write down $20 million.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I was referring to the dead money this year on Bradford’s and Daniels deals.
            And if Jerry thinks next year’s qb class is terrible and that Dallas won’t sniff a top 5 pick again, it makes perfect sense to go for one now. IF you value one of these guys that highly, and it sounds like they do.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Lynch in the first round….? Smells like…desperation.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Eagles have been linked to him since they traded up to #8.
        I don’t like him, but that’s sort of irrelevant.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Me loveth this Mission Statement of an Off-shore Hedge/Ponzi:

    At stazhit.com we want to make a better world for kids by ensuring that cross-border trans-finite crypto-currency intermediaries are unable to mitigate counter-party risk and harm due to shit Goldman-Sachs usually does because they are assholes …

    There are many competitive solutions for six-sigma certification on an limited warranty pass-through financialization of nocturnal soul-vampire real estate trusts. You can choose the other guy, or you can go with the folks who build bridges between mismanaged fear-schemes and war-mongering death pyramids.

  • Shady

    Mr Goodbar: an underrated candy bar. Also on my list? Whatchamacallit and Skor.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      all 3 are amazing.

    • MB30SD

      Seriously, mr fucking goodbar?!?!?! It’s a fucking hershy bar with peanuts right?!

      Fuck mr. goodbar. The other two are legit.

      Butterfinger is the king of all candy bars.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Y’all taking an L with those candy bars.
        Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups.

        • MB30SD

          meh… and that’s not a candy BAR now is my my dear rabbit. it’s a candy CUP

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            It’s pure deliciousness is what it is.
            It’s like the Darron Lee debate. Don’t call him a linebacker – call him a baller and just draft him!

          • MB30SD

            meh. come on, you can do better maings.

            What about the Prices to the king (in no particular order):
            * KitKat
            * Twix
            * Snickers
            * 100 grand (a personal fav)
            * MilkyWay
            * Crunchbar/Krackle

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Besides, how are you skipping sammiches on that paleo diet and turning around and eating Butterfingers? Inquiring minds wanna know, H.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t G. (ok, maybe on Howloweeeen)

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            * KitKat – meh, but the dark chocolate ones were pretty incredible
            * Twix – when I was 12, these were awesome. I have tastebuds now.
            * Snickers – classic, consistent. I’m OK with this.
            * 100 grand (a personal fav) – whaaaaa?
            * MilkyWay – way too much of that nougat fluff whatever-the-f-ck it is…frozen, OK.
            * Crunchbar/Krackle – nope.

          • MB30SD

            …when the doves cry

            SMH

            (although a little with you on the milkyway)

          • SC Dave

            I was gonna go with $100,000 too. The Bomb.

          • MB30SD

            hell yes david!

            How in thee fuck can you argue with rice crisps, caramel, and milk choc. So pure, so good. I think it’s my #2 after the venerable butterfinger

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If you can’t drink out of it, tis not a cup.

          • MB30SD

            hmmmmmmmm

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Just like, if it doesn’t have a tail it’s not a monkey. If it doesn’t have a tail, it’s an ape.

        • Shady

          Da Pieces are where it’s at yo.

          • MB30SD

            All in on this! Like the cups ok, but pieces are like little discs of crack

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I can’t believe you guys.
            🙁

          • MB30SD

            come to the light!

      • Shady

        Emphasis on the word “underrated” my maing. The chocolate is milkier than a Hershey bar and the nuts are perfectly proportioned. Now Krackle? That shit is a Crunch bar in Sherpa clothing.

        • MB30SD

          Meh.

          Indeed it is… and I loves them both!

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I was kinda wondering about the sherpa thing. Painted a very strange picture.

      • DaMurph

        I miss the MARS bar, that was a bad ass fucking candy bar!!

        • MB30SD

          meh

    • CanadaBear

      I’d happily take any one of those 3. My fave is Caramilk. The beauty is in the simplicity. Milk chocolate and caramel.

      • MB30SD

        canadian candy bars…. : /

        • CanadaBear

          I think they are called Caramello’s in the States. Same thing. A little slice of heaven. Although I would eat almost every candy bar mentioned. There are connoisseurs and common sewers.

          • MB30SD

            Oh, I do like caramello’s… although I much prefer the ‘hard’ caramel over the liquid type in caramello.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hmmm.

      Used to love MILKSHAKE.

      The same folks that used to make ZAGNUT and ZERO bars.

      You can still find ZAGNUT and ZERO, but I haven’t run across a MILKSHAKE bar in ages.

      • willbest

        I will second Zero

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Multiple GM’s of the opinion that Jaylon Smith drops past the 3rd round. He had worked himself into the top 5 picks of the draft and then at the end of a play where he wasn’t involved he gets hit at the whistle during a meaningless game and it’s over. Nerve damage? Multiple ligaments? Damn, he simply may never be physically the same ever again much less play football. With that being said, you have to pick him if he falls to the 3rd round. He’s a redshirt anyway but could be the biggest steal in recent memory.

    • MB30SD

      damn it

    • AlbertInTucson

      I don’t see the Bears as being in a position to use a pick on a guy who is such a question mark, physically.

      On the other hand, I DO think teams are leaking doom and gloom on Myles Jack because they would LOVE to be able to draft him and i’d like to see him as a Bear.

      I don’t think it’s a decision the Bears will have to make though, because I don’t think he gets past the Ravens at 6.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/foot-drop-causes-symptoms-treatments

      So this is the symptom that’s manifesting from his nerve damage.
      🙁

      • BC

        I have foot drop, I have to wear a plastic brace now. It is limiting.

        • MB30SD

          sorry to hear that mate. I have cock drop… it’s altogether different, but nun tha lez… somewhat limiting in certain situations

    • DaMurph

      Columbo had nerve damage from his knee injury, he went on to do pretty well in Dallas. Not sure about a linebacker getting over damage like this. He was a great player at ND, what a shame this happened to that young man!

  • MB30SD
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      What’s he going to do? Become a boxer?

      • MB30SD

        naaaah, he’ll train hard and get hard again then come back to open arms and beat the shit out of that norcal dbag. cunts

        • Nah.
          Rocky only beats Mr. T in movies.
          In real life, the angry black dude (or his latino counterpart, Senor T) always ends up beating the great white hope.

          Racist!

          Actually, in the UFC, everyone always gets knocked out no matter how skilled or dominant they are.

          That’s why they call boxing the sweet science. A bit less chance involved.

          • hmmm. never knew the orgins.

            The Origins

            Pierce Egan was a British journalist and sportswriter in the early
            1800s. He wrote about a variety of sports, but most of his articles
            concern bare-knuckle boxing and horse racing.

            Egan is best known for his five volumes of boxing articles titled Boxiana.
            The first volume was published in 1813 and the series was completed in
            1828. Within his articles, he often refers to boxing as the “Sweet
            Science of Bruising,” a phrase that acknowledges boxers as both
            methodical and tough. Boxiana experienced tremendous success in
            the early 19th century, for it combined luminous illustrations with
            knowledgeable writing concerning the most popular illegal sport of the
            time. Learn more about boxing’s ancient history with iSport’s History of Boxing.

            Read more at: http://boxing.isport.com/boxing-guides/why-boxing-is-called-the-sweet-science

      • Irish Sweetness

        He didn’t retire, this was in an Irish paper yesterday. I’m a little disgusted that he went the “I’m retiring” route, and then took it back.

        http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/i-am-not-retired-conor-mcgregor-vows-to-return-and-leaves-door-open-for-ufc-200-34647990.html

  • Ribeyes for Operators
  • Captain Obvious

    The Washington Post has a good draft analysis interactive tool. Here’s what they have to say about the Bears’ draft history over the last 20 years:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/?hpid=hp_no-name_graphic-story-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory#CHI

  • MB30SD

    Ok, been thinking about this since this morning. Here it is… in the right order:

    1. Butterfinger

    2. 100 Grand
    3. Snickers
    4. Twix
    5. Kitkat

    Second team honorable mention
    * Whatchamacallit
    * Reeses pieces
    * Skor

    Don’t even get me started on South African candy bars. Since Trac ran off to start his own J-zoos camp or to prepare for the rapture, I’ll save all you fucking non-colony heathens the riot act. Cunts.

    • Butterfinger #1?! Might was well like Almond Joys, or those corn-candies they hand out on Halloween.

      #1 The almond chocolates they USED to serve at the movies in the 80s and 90s. (now, they’re like little almond nuggets, WHICH SUCK).

      2nd rounders in no particular order, but same tier

      Watchamaccalit, Kitkat, M&Ms (almonds also acceptable here), Crunch (albino one too), and those ones that are like little ice cream balls covered in chocolate that they also used to serve at the movies.

      My least fav one was anything dark chocolate.
      My friend used to gobble down Now and Laters and Starbursts, but I’m not a fruity guy like MB.

      Zing!

      • MB30SD

        your candy likes/dislikes are strange. And i can do the fruity stuff, just not a lot of it. If I had to pick one, it’d be starburst… the pink ones.

        • Shady

          Came across these bad boys the other day, they’re magically delicious.

          http://www.amazon.com/Starburst-Tropical-Fruit-2-07-ounce-Single/dp/B003YZ3MS0

          If you like the pink ones, this is for you.

          • MB30SD

            thank you sir. Don’t kid yourself… I’ve crushed those bad boys a few times.

            They are indeed magically delicious.

          • Shady

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha… well done. love that video

        • The only fruity ones I can remember liking were Skittles.

          The other ones were ok.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Orange slices? Sour cherries? What the hell is wrong with you young folks?

          • I’m not young, but thank you.

            I never really liked sour/sweet fruity candies. They were ok esp after working out or something.

            Actually, I don’t really like sour stuff in general. The only time I use a lemon/lime is on seafood, tacos and mex beer.

          • MB30SD

            My god, you have the candy taste for a fucking 80 yr old!!

    • Sactowns#1

      Yeah you’re crazy if you put that fake ass peanut butter thing at #1. 1000 grand bar is obviously the ultimate candy bar. You like peanuts then at least go with snickers or Ohenry. Hell if you want peanut butter at least go Clark bar or reeses pieces.

      • MB30SD

        I actually don’t like your nutz (or anyone’s) in my dessert. Fruit either. Keep all that shit outta my fucking candy bitches!

        And it’s not about peanut butter for fuck sake, it’s why I love it.

    • Shady

      Interesting list compiled some chick on jizzabel:

      http://kitchenette.jezebel.com/candy-bars-ranked-1563698643

      Here’s her take on your fave, Butterfinger:

      “25. Butterfinger

      Oh come on; this shit can’t have been designed for human consumption. This isn’t a candy bar, this is a chocolate-coated grenade filled with shrapnel made of peanut brittle. I feel like Butterfinger was an elaborate prank that got to the point where it was too embarrassing to call it off, so they just went with it, and because of Bart Simpson, people still buy the fucking things (I’M OLD).”

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Hahahaha. I love malt.

        I guess I’m old.

        • Shady

          Ironically I enjoy it too, but only because of my dad.

          • MB30SD

            you’re old

        • CanadaBear

          There is a candy company in Iowa that made malted milk balls that were about the circumference of a quarter. The chocolate was 2-3 times thicker than an ordinary malted milk ball. Plus they were always fresh so the malted milk just melted instead of distilling down to a piece of space age plastic.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            I don’t like malted milk balls, even gourmet ones. I just like malt itself. A jar of the powder. You get some vanilla ice cream and throw a bit in the blender, and add some fruit. It thickens it and it’s great.

          • MB30SD

            Interesting

        • HATED those things.

          Rather stick them up my other hole (NTTAWWT?)

          • MB30SD

            totally. they make me feel like I want to puke for some reason. Not a fan.

      • MB30SD

        she quite obviously sucks… and is probably ugly too.

      • MB30SD

        hahahahaha… ok, that’s fucking funny… and spot on

    • Bender McLugh

      you lost me not listing HEATH BAR. smh.

      • MB30SD

        How daaaaare you!

        Yeah, it’s good. Top 5… no fucking way maingses

  • Funny. Foreskins now get first dibs on Norman.

    I was telling my skins’ fan pal this morning he’d be perfect there.

    They can find the cap. Def need CB esp now that Hall moved to S.

    And Norman can go up against ODB and Dez Bryant twice a year!

    • willbest

      That is a lot of having to prove yourself as a CB

    • MB30SD

      pal?!? You have Pals?!

      And you date… dames?

  • willbest

    Apparently using the word faggot when you are really angry and frustrated that you are about to go down 3 games to 1 is worthy of a 1 game playoff suspension and a trip to the reeducation camp. Seems a bit steep for a sport that prides itself on its insane level of toughness.

    • Shady

      Not sure what’s tough about using a homophobic slur. It’s 2016 and the league has a brand to protect. After watching Shaw lose his composure like that I saw this coming a mile away.

      • willbest

        The toughness is being able to take what is dished out, not the dishing out itself. And quite frankly, this and the NFL’s policy is utterly idiotic. Nearly every one of their consumers doesn’t give a rip about what the players say during the game. And nearly everybody involved in these new roving band of offense agitators doesn’t consume the product they are complaining about.

        If you want to send a tough message about going after refs, that is one thing. But adding an additional penalty because there is some evolving new “no say” list of words…

      • NFL is so odd that way.

        It’s all about machismo, aggressiveness, barbaric combativeness, but then places these “civilized” rules like not using slurs.

        I guess that’s why it’s so intriguing.

        But it’s almost like getting in a fight. Is it ok to use racial, etc slurs when a dude is pushing you and ready to throw down?

        In the heat of the moment, etiquette sometimes goes out the window.

        • Shady

          It’s not odd my maings, it’s an entertainment business (not real life) and every last cold hard dollar counts.

          • No, I understand that they must do it.
            I think a ref got in trouble for using the “N” word (and I think he was black too), or another white ref using “boy” but a lot of players were conflicted about it.

            Lots of players thought that was the norm in games. Others thought no place in it no matter what.

            But the NFL, the actual coaches, personnel, trainers, etc all maximize a player’s aggressiveness, barbarity, and violence but the NFLis a multi-billion dollar biz and the execs and pencil pushers are trying to remain a family product.

            It’s an odd dynamic.

          • Shady

            It’s Disney.

      • willbest

        Oh the real messed up part is it is outcome determinative. It isn’t just a money fine and personal foul like the nfl. The entire team suffers having its lines, game plan, team chemistry altered at the last minute over a single players loss of composure. In the playoffs. I wonder if the nhl’s punishment would be the same if the series were tied 3-3 in the Stanley cup finals.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Considering the PR exposure, probably worse.

          • willbest

            it wouldn’t be more than a fine. actual hockey fans don’t want their championship determined by such nonsense and those are the people that keep the lights on. Lot of people using their Facebook accounts to call this BS.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Fans don’t pay the bills. Fans don’t get games televised. Corporations do. And corporations don’t have any tolerance for that shit happening on their dime. You’re kidding yourself.

          • willbest

            yeah gate, consumables and swag is just such a trivial part of their business model.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Compared to the TV contracts and advertising? Yes.

          • willbest

            In 2013-14 Packers had 324.1 million in gross revenue, 187.7 million came from its share of the national package, 136.4 million (42%) comes from local sources. So no. Not trivial.

            And for a sport like Hockey, even more comes from local sources. They only ~$600 million of their ~$3.8 billion revenue comes from TV.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            One corporation moves the needle with a sneeze. It would take empty stadiums to have an approximate impact. Guess which one is gonna happen first

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Seriously. It’s Waffle’s 2nd favorite insult.

    • SC Dave

      Who gives a fuck? PC is so over the top out of control

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Larry the tool compiles a puff bit on all time best Bears 4th rounders.

    His list:

    1. Buffone. Of course.
    2. Virgil Livers 75.
    3. Todd Bell – 81
    4. Robocop Thornton – 88

    • CanadaBear

      I thought it was going to be Nate Vasher and then he fell off a cliff.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        He did. He got real slow and was toast.

      • The Interceptor!
        Yeah, wth happen to him? He had like 1 awesome year, then, zilch.

        Jennings probably ended up being a better CB.

        Heck, maybe even Graham.

    • MB30SD

      loved me some robocop guns

    • Cormonster

      That’s outrageous that he forgot the ultra-back, Raymont Harris. You can’t be an ultra-back and not be on that list.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        I loved Harris. Power? Yes. Speed? Yes? Blocking? Yes. Pass protect? Yes.

        • Cormonster

          Did he have speed? I remember him as a cross between a halfback and fullback, making him ultra.

    • SC Dave

      No Thayer love? Or Butthead? Puff indeed.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Star Wars: the new film is being shot and there’s a script leak on Reddit.

    If it’s the real leak: the twist is certifiably insane and may ruin Star Wars. Like – all of it. If you wanna know, let me know and I’ll post it.

    • I don’t wanna know, but I do.

      Ok. I wanna know.

    • willbest

      Nothing can ruin Star Wars. It is the second greatest 2 movie franchise in all of film. Only Godfather surpasses it.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        The twist is whack. It’s not “Snoke is really Jerry Lewis” whack, but it’s pretty nutty.

        • willbest

          Everything from the teddy bears on is fan fiction as far as I am aware.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I read it. I’d heard the theory before and laughed off the insanity of it, so I hope it’s not true, and that it’s more straightforward.

      Keeping it real, Disney are very meticulous in what they have, and linking stuff to other areas of the thing. At the end of Clone Wars, Yoda goes to the ‘Force planet’ where he meets the Force Priestesses in a heat-lodge type deal. They tell him that “there is another Skywalker…”
      This is when Anakin is still a Jedi and has no children. So who’s the other Skywalker?

      The ‘leak’ had solid stuff about Vikram/Leia’s storyline, but if that’s true about Rey … wow. That’s jumping the shark bigtime.

      For me, her parent has to be either Luke/Leia/Kylo Ren. I’d love to see Kylo and Rey duelling, then he cuts her hand off and says “No, I am your father…” yada yada …

      Luke’s words from the Ep VII trailer (not spoken in the film) make it appear obvious that he’s her father though. “My father had it, Leia had it, I have it, and now you have it too …..”

      • willbest

        Rey is Jyn and Palapatines daughter. Or she would be if I acknowledge it all as canon

        • Irish Sweetness

          Then you have to bring in Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker … they’ve not done that.

          I’d love to know what Lucas treatments were for Episodes VII-IX. We’ll never know.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            After knowing what he wrote for episodes 1-3, I now know longer want to know.

      • MB30SD

        Most importantly, are they bringing jarjarbinks back?!?!

      • From what I read, emperor Palpatine had a kid (with one of his aids always by him in the movies) who he kinda disowned and abandoned at a planet – raised by droids to protect his identity.

        This kid began getting really curious, and mistakenly thought he was .Darth Vader’s kid, but later he found out he was Palpatine’s kid (or maybe even clone).

        This was supposed to by Klyo Ren’s backstory (if I remember correctly) but I doubt the movie went by that story line.

        What I’m guessing is that Ren is Leias, Rey is Lukes

        I mean, Hollywood is painfully obviously (unobtainium?)

        Leia – luke
        Ren- Rey

        The more intriguing part is who Snoke is.

        I think he’s Palpatine’s master who Palpatine THOUGHT he killed, but indeed survived because even according to Palpatine “Darth Plageius” could survive death (the promise which made Anakin turn to the dark side).

        I think Snoke/Plagueis was in the background the whole time using Palpatine like a puppet much like Palpatine pulled the strings of all those around him, then once Palpatine set the stage for him creating just enough chaos and eliminating nearly all Jedi, Snoke moved in to finish the job.

        That’s my theory, and I’m sticking to it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Rogue One trailer shows a kneeling hooded figure with Imperial guards to the side, in front of what could be a bacta tank, or just a column of light. If it’s not Vader kneeling, then it could be Palpatine. But who would Palpatine bow to? Snoke?

          Another possibility (reaching here) is that just before Han left Leia, she fell pregnant with Rey, and hoping to keep her safe from Snoke, gave her away for her own protection similiar to Obi Wan giving away Leia to Bail Organa and Luke to Uncle Owen etc. That’s a big meaningful old hug she gives Rey in TFA …

  • Jeff’s Thought: If you’re taking a running back with the eleventh
    pick in the draft you better be damn sure he’s special. Especially when
    the Bears may have a special back on their roster. I’m not buying the
    Bears interest in Elliot. – Jeff

    ————-

    Wow, Jeff and I are agreeing a lot lately. Does he like Whachamakalits?

    Eliot IMO is NOT a special back. He’s not AP or Gurley like Andy correctly observed.

    Elliot is more like Ray Rice (football strictly).

    Is Ray Rice worth #11?

    Is Ray Rice worth the #11 when you already have a potential Neal Anderson (or 2016 McFadden)?

    • willbest

      I won’t be happy with Eliot at 11. Let Miami grab him at 13. Build the defense or protect Jay’s blindside.

      • Agree. Just not a big need IMO.

        Irish is banging the table for Elliot, but I LOVED what I saw from Langford as that homerun threat from the run or screen. He can also lower his shoulder. He just accelerates so fast. We haven’t had that sort of explosion since…Hester?

        Only concern for Langford is durability, though that can be said about nearly any sophore back who is unproven.

        I also was pleasantly surprised by Carey. He can get some tough yards. He’s one of those backs that seems to get very small when squeezing through the hole, lowering his pads, with some shiftiness to him.

        Then we add in some Jizz, and Urein at Goaline, and I think we’re set.

        I’d like it to be split up a bit cuz of aformentioned concern for Langford durability, but I think much like with Leno/Massie, we must first find out what we have before trying to replace them.

        To me, getting Elliot would be like buying a new car when you just purchased one a month prior.

        Gotta take the other one out for more than a spin first.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I like Langford. I might be the only one who likes ALL our backs. Perry is the dark horse for me. He’s got burst.

          But behind Unrein in short yardage, he’s got the bang.

          Using your car analogy. Yes, we may have a Ford Mustang in Perry, an Aston Martin in Langford, and a Trans-Am in Carey … but you draft Elliott and you have your Ford F150 Super Duty. … but with a nitro tank.

        • MB30SD

          Yep

        • Irish Sweetness

          You know, if we went

          1. Floyd/Buckner
          2. Henry

          It would solve it in spectacular fashion. I have more of a Henry Boner than an Elliott boner … I just don’t think Henry will last 41 picks. Henry definitely gives us something we don’t have, and in a sense gives you a TE to split out wide .. or an extra big blocker in the backfield. Not to mention the load you have with Unrein in at FB …. short yardage problems would be a thing of the past.

      • Irish Sweetness

        With 9 picks why can’t be get the best back and build the defense and protect Jay with the other 8 picks?

        • willbest

          there are value considerations like how much of an upgrade is Eliot to our rub core when Langford is going to get 35% of the carries or even win the job outright relegating Eliot to 35%.

          Then there is value at the spot. Why pay a rb 12 million for 4 years when you can pay an edge rusher or tackle

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah, that’s an interesting point. If you draft Elliott at 11, then you’ll probably want to use him at least 60-70%? That relegates Langford to a sideshow, and basically benches Carey/Perry as backups. But so what? Langford is a 4th round draft pick. We don’t owe him any carries. He provides us with a quality backup in that case. No harm done. It’s a great 1-2 punch … with quality backups in Perry/Carey/Jaquizz… it’s all gravy. Bear in mind we’re a much better run-blocking team than we are a pass-protecting team.

            I think Elliott’s salary would only be about 4.5M a year though, based on Gurley’s contract.

            Or Fox says … committee … Pace probably won’t draft Elliott at that point. It’s most likely a choice between Buckner or Floyd. Or would Pace draft him anyway – if his perceived rating is that high – and just split carries 50/50 with Langford, and consider himself covered for injuries?

        • MB30SD

          Smhay

        • With all my heart, and every fiber in my being and soul…

    • SC Dave

      So are you thinking Langford might be ‘special’?

      • I’m thinking Langford will be Forte/Neal Anderson special, not Sweetness or even AP special.

        Given that premise, I wouldn’t draft a Ray Rice with a sophomore Forte in the fold.

        And it’s not just Langford, but the Langford/Carey/Jizz combo which I think should provide for a good run game, esp with White and Alshon stretching the field (heck, Even Miller showed some wheels).

        • MB30SD

          Exactly this.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Floyd has the most votes

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Who-analysts-predict-Bears-will-draft/68cd0611-86b2-42ee-936b-0124d3930d50

    I guess then with his speed and range he goes out at weak side? I watch his film and I see what they hoped Jones would be until they saw he didn’t turn the corner and moved him inside.

    willbest says he would take 1 Von Miller over 3 Charles Woodsons. I say you get 3 Woodsons, a guy that can play either corner, bump and run or zone, and free safety and you have only to find a SS to have a shutdown secondary. All I see in today’s NFL is catch and run. So you take a chance that Floyd has that Von Miller like talent and leave some quality secondary on the board. If we take him I hope he gets on the field as a rookie and can show he can get home from time to time. Even Clowney showed his rook season he could win his battles before the leg went.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      That was Data, not willbest.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        My apologies.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          No skin off my nose 🙂

    • Saw the highlights below, and does Floyd have giddy-up.

      I was surprised to see he was 6’6. From that vid, he looks like a 6’4 explosive twitchy OLB.

      He can bend too, which is really coveted for pass rushers (some even apply some bend formula) and surprising for his size.

      Once he gets going, he gone.

      Great energy. Seems to love sat/sun.

      Few things that are highly questionable.

      His thin frame. For a 6’6 guy, this may be an issue (Dion Jordan?).
      From what I saw, he can get off a runblock, but that’s only in the highlights. His lowlights might include him getting washed out a lot on runs right at him when he can’t get a full head of steam.

      Doesn’t really “pop”. Kinda goes in for a tackle like an octopus.

      My big worry is that he’s only a “subpackage” guy, sorta taller Bruce Irvin who SEA let walk this season after drafting him #15.

      He’s def got the athleticism, bend, counters and speed, but then again, so did Bruce Irvin, only Floyd is longer.

      I think Floyd is climbing up draftnik boards, but if him, Conklin, Hargreaves are on the board…

      Also, what would it mean for Young. Houston?

      Is Floyd projected to be better than either?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think he’s just a beautiful tool to have. Yes, he’s wiry, but you’re not asking him to be Julius Peppers. He’s a pass rushing OLB that can cause all kinds of problems on lateral runs and when he drops back into pass pro with that huge radius.

        Possibles at 11 for me: Elliott, Buckner, Floyd, WJAX

        I’d definitely be pumped if we drafted Floyd. He can perform a few very specific roles for you. Will he bulldoze blockers? No, but so what? He’s a 6’6 LB that can rush the passer, get in the QB’s face, pass protect and cover lateral runs. Sweet.

        • But isn’t that what Young is supposed to be? And Young is more proven.
          Granted, Young might want a diff scheme, but is Floyd gonna amount to more than Young? (or even Bass or Washington).

          He looks very much the part, but so did Dion Jordan and Bruce Irvin.

          I’m tantalized by Floyd’s upside though

          • Irish Sweetness

            We have Young and McPhee outside – that’s about it … no harm having another body to cover injury and for rotational purposes.

          • Also Houston and maybe Acho.

            I know we need pass rushers, but again, #11 for a subpackage Bruce Irvin type?

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        by september Floyd will be 24 years old so I cast down his “high celing” and after watching his videos, reminds me Shea McClellin; slow and bad tackler.

    • willbest

      I don’t recall being a part of it but 2 woodsons are better than 1 von miller, that is just basic math. You take away your opponents 1 & 2 and you are going to have 4-5 seconds to hit the QB every time. 3 is just ridiculous, you could use practice squad guys on your line against 25 qbs in the league

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Exactly.

    • Irish Sweetness

      For perhaps a defense-flavored draft where we go D, then whereverthefuck for the next 7 picks, play with this.

      1. Leonard Floyd OLB
      2. Jihad Ward DE

      And it’s entirely possible. That’s a spanky new defense

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2613442-2016-nfl-draft-illinois-jihad-ward-poised-to-continue-his-rise-up-draft-boards

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Floyd is this year’s ultra bust.

      • Irish Sweetness

        My Bust-O-meter goes:

        1. Goff

        2. Bosa

        3. Spence in prison by Christmas

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